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So, why aren't you just like blinding me 10000 times brighter than the sun? I shouldn't even be able to like stand next to you. It's because you're using all of that energy to stay alive.
Kate Northrup:Exactly.
Zach Bush, MD:Life is the shine, like to be alive is to be 10000 times more energetic than the sun. Whether you're a house plant or a human, you are so many thousands of times brighter. And so life is the physical manifestation of light made into particle.
Kate Northrup:I'm so excited for today's episode with doctor Zach Bush. Doctor Zach Bush works at the intersection of longevity, health and nature, and he implores us to reconnect with nature as our source instead of fighting against it to become healthy and whole once again. And in this episode, we went into a deep dive around what happens when you are in the meat grinder of life, the tenderizer, the dark times. We talk about surrender. We talk about mitochondria and how we are literal light beings on a microscopic level.
Kate Northrup:Oh, my goodness. It was beautiful. So enjoy the episode with doctor Zach Busch. Welcome to Plenti. I'm your host, Kate Northrup, and together, we are going on a journey to help you have an incredible relationship with money, time, and energy, and to have abundance on every possible level.
Kate Northrup:Every week, we're gonna dive in with experts and insights to help you unlock a life of plenty. Let's go fill our cups.
[voiceover]:Please note that the opinions and perspectives of the guests on the Plenty podcast are not necessarily reflective of the opinions and perspectives of Kate Northrop or anyone who works within the Kate Northrop brand. Hi.
Zach Bush, MD:Hi. Good to be here.
Kate Northrup:So I just wanna say thank you, first of all, for the work that you do. It has impacted me greatly, and I've really enjoyed listening to you evolve over you know, it's only been 4 years that I've been along for the ride, but, but I've enjoyed it, and it's, like, so palpable. Whatever has been going on for you since I first started listening in 2020, you've changed. Obviously, we've all changed in the last 4 years.
Zach Bush, MD:That's not cycles for
Kate Northrup:me. Right?
Zach Bush, MD:And I live a life that way. I actually really seek that out and I'm always looking for what do I need to let die within myself and to do that you have to be in community and and human relationships are powerful mirror. And so you've watched me go through many death cycles and I got through another one this week like it's it's constant. You know, if you really welcome the universe and do the purification game and stop believing we can just detox in saunas and realize we gotta actually detox the human emotions and the wounds within us, then that takes that human emotion, that human relationship, that human energetic connection, and that leads to a whole lot of brokenness, you know, being revealed. And we have to have a high degree of patience towards ourselves and others around us and towards each other to go through that.
Zach Bush, MD:So I think that's that's been my real training ground. You know, that began when I stepped out of the university setting academically, and it began when I stepped out of the marriage relationship and and realized I couldn't repeat that pattern. The Course in Miracles was showing this other path for humanity, and I've been stumbling down this, like, blind path with no lights on is how it feels. And it's like, so what you're watching is somebody who's constantly deconstructing further and further in their knowingness of how the world works in a desperate effort to to find a find the bottom of the fall. Like, how far do I fall before I find something solid, something that is gonna be me?
Zach Bush, MD:And so I'm doing this long fall into myself, and it's painful, and it's, you know, self destructive for sure, but it's also, you know, emotional at times. It's exhausting at times. But once you start to realize that the benefit is that you get to see more beauty, you know, every time you take more, you know, death and and take on more of this energetic burden of allowing nature to do its deep work, Nature does such deep work, the way that fungi work in the soil systems, the way that these things they dig in and they don't let any darkness, you know, stay unturned, and darkness is turned over into light by the microbiome of soil systems. And so what you in the world have witnessed, anybody who's been paying attention to me, is wow. That guy is self distracting all the time.
Zach Bush, MD:And it's It feels like tough.
Kate Northrup:It's like a I mean, I've not been in your life. I barely know you, but it's like feels like a meat tenderizer.
Zach Bush, MD:Very good description. You know? It's just so
Kate Northrup:Who knows what's been going on? Obviously, you know, share as much as you want or as much as you don't, but, that piece around, like, the composting and the taking what we would consider waste and fertilizing it into new growth is absolutely critical and I, have been through many a portal where I feel like I am dying and that beauty of meeting people either in that or when you've come to the other side, like, the level of compassion available when we've just been brutalized.
Zach Bush, MD:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:It's emotionally, logistically, like, whatever. Physically, you know, it's it's beautiful, and it's really hard. So anyway Yeah.
Zach Bush, MD:I just like It really is. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Okay. So you just had a birthday. It's a new moon. We're in a we're in a turn of the seasons right now. Today, we're recording this on Samhain.
Kate Northrup:It is the time when the veil between the worlds is the thinnest. So in terms of just, like, what did you learn about yourself and life this week that you would like to share in this particular birth portal?
Zach Bush, MD:Well, it's been one of the more more intense meat grinder weeks
Kate Northrup:in my
Zach Bush, MD:life, so it's a good one to ask in in some ways, you know. And so what have I seen this week? You know looking through the veil. My birthday falls on Halloween, and so it has this funny way of any birthday I have I start to dread because it's like, oh, I'm gonna see all the all the stuff again. And and And you're slowly chose that.
Zach Bush, MD:Like, wow. That's a really intense way to, like, recognize a birthday when you, like, recognize how much death needs to help before you really do rebirth. You know? So it tends to be a cycle for me. I I stopped liking my birthdays at a very young age for reasons I didn't understand.
Zach Bush, MD:And then as I got older, people are like, you should really pay attention to your birthday. You should really celebrate. You should make plans. And the universe just laughs at me every time I make a plan for my birthday. It's like, this is ridiculous.
Zach Bush, MD:And and the more I'm like, I really need to take a break like people say, and I need to like really do self love like I'm told. The universe is so excited to even grind me harder into the pavement at those moments. So I'm realizing that just falling without a belief that I deserve a break or need a break or, you know, whatever it is and allowing the journey to be the journey, I'll get through it faster. Because every time I like grab onto the side of the river and be like, okay, I just don't wanna flow for a while. That's fine, but pretty sure you get tired of holding on to the bank and then you go and and now you gotta you would have been 2 days further down the river.
Zach Bush, MD:Right.
Kate Northrup:You still have to go through
Zach Bush, MD:it. Yeah. You're back in it. So I think that's what this week has felt like. I'm like, wow.
Zach Bush, MD:The moment I I feel like my companies or the nonprofits are in flow and things are working, financials, you know, upending, whatever needs to happen destabilizes the system again. And so we have to be very transparent right now as humans to one another that it is a complete disaster. Like, everything is melting down right now. And we like to look outside of ourselves and say, oh, the politics is terrible, therefore, I feel like I do. Oh, the economics is terrible, therefore, I feel like I do.
Zach Bush, MD:Oh, that that person is it was, you know, not respectful to me or, you know, didn't wanna date me or didn't wanna have sex with me or whatever the things that people come up with in their heads, and then that becomes the reason they feel the way they do. And so it's this constant looking around for the justification of what's happening inside of ourselves that we can't learn the lesson. And so we continue to hurt each other by continuing to point at each other to justify the way we feel inside. And so it's knowing that or saying that is so easy, but then living that day in and day out is am I willing to completely own what's inside of me and my full experience? And this week, one of my great mentors, he's an amazing, teacher within the the the Kabbalah, which is an ancient math that predates Judaism, predates Israel, predates, you know, Sanskrit, ancient ancient wisdom that came to the the planet.
Zach Bush, MD:And so it's a mathematical kind of energetic philosophy of the way the universe works. And in that, he's he was asked by one of my colleagues as we were sitting around a table, is there free will? And he said something that was just so perfect for this week that I'm in, and I think this moment that we're all in as humans. Because there's not a human on earth that's like having a pleasant time of this right now. Like it's just tearing us to pieces.
Zach Bush, MD:And if we would just say that to one another instead of like, hey, how are you? I'm good. Now you're nobody's good. Nobody's good. Everybody's leaving their jobs, giving up on their jobs, giving up on the people they thought they trusted.
Kate Northrup:Getting divorced.
Zach Bush, MD:Getting divorced.
Kate Northrup:Getting sued.
Zach Bush, MD:Starting the companies they always thought, therefore running out of money and getting sued, getting canceled by people you've never met.
Kate Northrup:Getting cancer.
Zach Bush, MD:Getting cancer. Like everything's just whacking us upside the head right now. And he answers this question, is there free will? He says, well from the perspective of the human mind being as limited in perspective as it is, it's gonna feel like you have free will. But from the divine perspective, the universe is impossible that you have free will because you you're the result of such an amalgamation of astrophysics and planetary physics and life itself and that there's quadrillions of inputs into your expression on a daily basis.
Zach Bush, MD:You don't have free will, But you always have free will to exercise how you feel within your experience.
Kate Northrup:Yes.
Zach Bush, MD:And that really is the whole meat of it. It's like, am I willing to have free will? Is it how I'm gonna feel right now about the experience I'm having?
Kate Northrup:Yes.
Zach Bush, MD:And my free will then allows me to say, oh, it's everybody else's fault. And the more public they are, the easier it is to say, oh, that's that's the person who's fault. Or am I gonna realize like I am the amalgamation of the nature within me. So if I have hurt within me, if I have pain, I can blame it on some trauma that was external to me or that my parents experienced when they were children. Or I can recognize that in me right now is a lack of coherence with my divine nature, Because nature doesn't have stored trauma.
Zach Bush, MD:Nature heals and transmutes all the time. Humans in our separation from nature have learned to store trauma. And so that's our own responsibility. Either we stay detached from nature and refuse to give it back to that nature that we might call God, we might call it a river or a mountain. We just holding on to all that stuff and not giving it freedom to metabolize through nature, then it's gonna cause disease.
Zach Bush, MD:And so this is the trap we're now stuck in is in our nature deprivation that we're in. This nature deficit that we've developed as a society that decided nature was against us. So we developed houses that don't have fresh air, we have houses that don't touch the ground, we have you know, schools that are have 5 g towers on top of them. Like, it is like clearly, you know, that at no point do we think we were integrated in nature when we designed the society we live in. And so for that, we are storing and storing and storing all this trauma.
Zach Bush, MD:So we have to take radical responsibility right now, and we're gonna need to radical amnesty. And interestingly, you know, we're gonna have to forgive the people that look most like a demon to us, because they're the one that we've all piled the most stuff on, you know. And in this event that we're at here, if I was gonna say one name that would, like, raise the ire of this place more than everything else, it'd probably be something like Anthony Fauci or something like that. And so I can say a name like that and feel the whole room go, which I did in my talk a little bit
Kate Northrup:ago. And Just
Zach Bush, MD:for fun? Just for fun to just point out okay. You just did that. And you have a narrative in your head that Yeah. A bunch of us created together saying it's his fault.
Zach Bush, MD:Uh-huh. When we look at the situation and we look at 40 years of effort to educate the public on the risks and benefits of vaccines, about 4% of the US population was concerned about vaccines in the beginning of 2020. Anthony Fauci came along and presented a really fractured message, and and one that appeared rarely not founded in reality. And he he showed all of this, like, vagaries and inconsistencies would contradict the CDC's recommendation one week to the other. NIH or the whole thing was such a mess that within 6 months, 46% of the United States was concerned about vaccines.
Zach Bush, MD:So he in 6 months did more for the Consciousness. Radical consciousness of that inward question of should I believe that pharmaceutical companies just have my best? Like, is this People
Kate Northrup:weren't thinking about it.
Zach Bush, MD:They weren't thinking about it. It wasn't on their radar. It was just blind trust.
Kate Northrup:Totally.
Zach Bush, MD:And so if it takes an ego like that one to come along and say, hey, what what are you doing? What is your relationship to this thing that doesn't have any science to it? That is saying, hey, actually it's experimental, but we're gonna roll it out and make it mandatory globally. Very clear about it. So it's not his fault in so many ways.
Zach Bush, MD:He's like, yeah, you could say he created a fear paradigm or Yeah. But the fact is, it was the society buying the story in some sort of fashion that made him a demon and made the vaccines a demon without, again, taking the honest evaluation of why do I feel vulnerable to a virus that's been here for all of human history. Why do I suddenly feel violent? So then we create these stories. Well, it's military attack.
Zach Bush, MD:It's this or that. And we say, oh, well, that's why I'm afraid.
Kate Northrup:Right.
Zach Bush, MD:No. You're afraid because you fundamentally think you got abandoned by nature at the very beginning of mankind. Yeah. That's your fear. We're afraid because
Kate Northrup:we forgot who we are.
Zach Bush, MD:Because you don't know who you are as a human and there's this deep deep insecurity. And so everything is playing out with these external stories of fear and and so those that we have demonized the most when we meet them on the other side of the veil, I think we will have the most it's not even compassion we're gonna ask the most apology for. Like, I didn't realize that I was seeing myself in you and I demonized you, whether you be a Kamala Harris or Donald Trump or
Kate Northrup:Whoever.
Zach Bush, MD:It's just whoever you've now put on that platform that you're gonna say is the abuser, that you're gonna say is the power player. Like, Donald Trump didn't wake up one day and say, I'm gonna take over the power of the world. People had to give that power over to to a person like that. And so we are building each other up so we can destroy each other. That's what we that's human behavior that moves because it's a whole expression of this fundamental wound.
Zach Bush, MD:So I really appreciate the question because I I feel better right now than I did when I walked into this room because you asked me to express it. And so by externalizing all of the pain and heartbreak that's in me from all of the things that have been thrown at me this week and, you know Long relationships in work like my core teams are been going through upheaval for 2 years now, but to see another round of that turnover The human has to go through the grief process no matter what they're throwing at you or who they think is evil or why you're getting You still you know all of that emotion of like oh, I'm being attacked aside You're grieving the loss of friendships and you're grieving the loss of the end of camaraderie and the being in the trenches together and all that. And so I just wanna just recognize everybody right now, if maybe you'd be a fractal of me, that I am feeling so much heartbreak right now, and I am feeling so much sorrow for the fundamental collapse of communication that we have within humanity. The the people that we feel like we are communicating with the best with, we just are not communicating at all with.
Zach Bush, MD:So just know that I feel all of that for you. Each of you, I know that it's just the struggle of speaking to your spouse or your children, these things that you hold most dear. And you can every day feel the block of energy, And it's not their fault, and it's not your fault. It's a fundamental human experience. And so we are right now in a deep, deep state of fundamental disconnect because we lost the mycelial network of nature itself.
Zach Bush, MD:And so this takes us into the soil story that you were wanting to bring forward, I think. But I just appreciate that space because I just think it's important for us to all meet in the pain for a moment and just be like, okay. This is universal. We can release the personal personalness of it of like, oh, you know, I'm the problem or I must be a bad person or I'm not good enough or all the easy things to trigger. The hard thing is staying at center and being, no, I'm a perfect being.
Zach Bush, MD:I know I am. I I have experienced that space, and I know it on a daily basis that I can find center. And there's no, like, bad element of me, and probably not of Anthony Fauci or anyone else. And so what is what's keeping us from this coherent showing up of sovereign beings. And for that, I value and am grateful for the meat grinder that's grinding me away this week again.
Zach Bush, MD:Like, thank goodness because like you said, it does feel so good to come through another cycle of that. And then you just take a deep breath at some point, and you're just like, oh my god. I remember how I saw the world and that wasn't true. Thank god it wasn't true. Thank goodness that my narratives were all b s, and thank goodness my defense mechanisms were were keeping me blinded because I finally learned the lesson.
Zach Bush, MD:I took down blinders and I learned my lesson and things things and now you're gonna go have a little moment of spring and then I guarantee the megrander will show up. Comes again. And so Yeah. And the faster we're willing to receive that, then the deeper the work we'll get through in a single lifetime.
Kate Northrup:When you said the piece about, like, okay, I could cling to the side of the river bed, but it's like or the river, you know, whatever the bank, but, you know, in the end, it's like I still have to go I could have been 2 2 days downstream. I mean, it really reminds me of birth and that, you know, obviously, you haven't given birth, but I know that you have stood by as many women have and that it's it's like that feeling of this is so scary. This is a sensation that I have never experienced before. Yeah. I feel like, for sure, I'm gonna die, but then also so much life coming through.
Kate Northrup:And it's like, the more you hold back, the worse that is going to be. Yeah. And, you know, so as we are born, so we live. So there you go.
Zach Bush, MD:Yeah. And that is such a good I mean, it's exactly right. And labor pain, obviously, the the the child does not, you know, push down that vaginal canal without the contraction. So every contraction we get in life is there to push us further, you know, out of this canal. So
Kate Northrup:And they they end. That's the other crazy thing. It's like it's like I feel like I'm gonna feel like I'm going to die forever, whether it's a life contraction or a birth contraction. It's like I you know, I know when I go in those dark places, I'm like, I'm gonna feel depressed forever. I'm gonna feel scared forever.
Kate Northrup:I'm gonna this is this is my life now forever. Like, I live here now. And then just like you said, the sooner I'm just like, alright, so go all the way. Yeah. And it's like, maybe it's not over immediately
Zach Bush, MD:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:But there is more space. There is more space. Yeah. When I just am, like, stopping resisting the feeling that it's I doctor do you know doctor Shefali Sabari?
Zach Bush, MD:Not personally.
Kate Northrup:But So Yeah. At the beginning of COVID, I was having, like, a really hard time, you know, just with the babies crawling all over and the no child care and trying to work. Right? Everyone else is obviously doing the same thing. It was hard for everyone for a number of reasons that were different and the same.
Kate Northrup:And I texted her, and I was like, Shefali, I need a therapist. I'm losing it. Like, I'm losing it. Who do you recommend? Like, who's the therapist?
Kate Northrup:I need help. And she was like, do you have do you have 5 minutes to FaceTime me right now? I was like, yes. I do. So we get on FaceTime, and she was so funny.
Kate Northrup:I will not do her accent because I would not do a good job, but her voice is so beautiful. And she was like, Kate, you now work in 3 minute increments between your child asking you for things and giving snacks. This is your life now. Your children are now part of the furniture. You now work like this.
Kate Northrup:This is your life, and you resisting the isness is making it harder. This is the isness. Just be in it. And, honestly, it was so simple, but I was like, oh, okay. Thanks.
Zach Bush, MD:Yeah. It just Stop waiting for a different normal Stop waiting for it.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Stop waiting for your life to begin when it gets easier. Like, this is life. This is what's happening. Welcome.
Zach Bush, MD:Yeah. And How do you wanna show
Kate Northrup:up for that? It.
Zach Bush, MD:Yeah. It
Kate Northrup:I don't want you to say it got easier per se, like, I wouldn't I don't think you would describe it as it like it gets easier when you don't surrender, when you do surrender.
Zach Bush, MD:I think it's just comfort change. Space or something. How would you describe that? Yeah. I think there's more energy first of all.
Kate Northrup:There's more energy.
Zach Bush, MD:Energy into the angst of the thing, and then suddenly you have bandwidth.
Kate Northrup:Waste of energy to resist.
Zach Bush, MD:Yep.
Kate Northrup:That's what it is.
Zach Bush, MD:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:You get more bandwidth.
Zach Bush, MD:And you
Kate Northrup:get more energy back. Okay. I'm making a hard left, though it's related. I wanna talk about mitochondria since we're talking about energy. Right?
Kate Northrup:So it's all a metaphor. Right? But it's also literal biology. What do you what are you, like, learning about? What do you know about mitochondria right now?
Kate Northrup:And the reason I ask is because I just learned 2 weeks ago, I'm sure you already knew this, that mitochondrial health is critical to our nervous system health because, of course, our nervous system runs on energy and it is mitigating every system in our bodies and that's important, like, our mitochondrial health is related to that. So what is what's happening with our disconnection from nature? Why is mitochondria so important? What should we know about our energy reserves literally? And then, of course, metaphorically, if you wanna go there too because I love
Zach Bush, MD:that. It's the only way to talk. Okay. Perfect. Yeah.
Zach Bush, MD:So the mitochondria is the center of my area of expertise scientifically. I was endocrinology metabolism
Kate Northrup:I actually did a but I Yeah.
Zach Bush, MD:That's perfect. So, the study of metabolism is the study of mitochondria when you're dealing with multicellular creatures. So in bacteria, fungi, single celled creatures, they use fermentation to create energy. Mitochondria were a huge innovation in life because it suddenly improved by 10 x, the amount of energy could be produced per cubic centimeter. And so that 10x allowed for multicellular life to coordinate itself.
Zach Bush, MD:And so it's kind of like a city. Small town, no problem. We got a couple generators, we can keep things going. 250, you know, 1000000 people living in in a con continent, let alone 25,000,000 living in a small area like Los Angeles. Now, you have an energy crisis.
Zach Bush, MD:You need a lot of energy to get that multicellular creature to work. And so the same thing for an animal decides to have 70 trillion cells that are all interconnected and working in subspecialties. And so you got your utilities department, you got engineering, and you got transportation, and and you got all those sectors working in the body, and they have to not only become what they are, use the resources they need, but they need to coordinate from everything else. And so communication is anybody who knows anybody ever been in a relationship, 90% of the effort in relationship is communication. And you don't actually do much together.
Zach Bush, MD:You just communicate because it takes so much communication to even be near each other. And so that's the phenomenon of life, is it takes so much energy for 2 cells to coordinate and behave synergistically to create a common endpoint, that life takes enormous amount of energy. And so mitochondria were very important jumps that we could become an earthworm or a human, whatever was gonna happen. We've recently come to to appreciate how much energy that is, and ultimately, this is the definition of life in my book. So my perspective on life now is that life is, kind of this boundary event between physics and biology.
Zach Bush, MD:The brightest thing that physics can do is the sun. The brightest thing that humans do is, the egg, the ovum of a human being. And so, if we compare those 2, let's not even go to the egg immediately. The average human cell has 200 mitochondria. 200 mitochondria, if you look at a biology textbook, they would show you 2.
Zach Bush, MD:There's 200 mitochondria packed into the cell, and those are bacteria that have reproduced inside of your cells to create energy.
Kate Northrup:So they're not really they're a different species living in us creating a species.
Zach Bush, MD:Yeah. It's it's very much like soil. So you we've all come to kind of appreciate that the gut is full of microbiome soil. What we haven't come to terms with is that the whole body is an organic garden. Every single cell is packed full of bacteria.
Zach Bush, MD:Because we don't like to think about bacteria as anything but germs, calling them bacteria inside of ourselves was uncomfortable, so we called them mitochondria. And so mitochondria are rebranded by the bacteria. And so we might as well call them bacteria, to be honest. But you so your average cell, 200 of these guys. Specialized bacteria though.
Zach Bush, MD:And the difference between your gut microbiome and a mitochondria is, again, this 10 x improvement in energy efficiency because the gut microbiome is doing fermentation. The mitochondria have figured out how to in collaboration actually, 2 bacteria got together, to form a single mitochondria. So mitochondria are actually 2 species that have interwoven themselves into a single expression. And that mitochondria is doing respiratory production of energy rather than fermentation. And in that oxygen carbon exchange of respiration, we get this 10 x improvement in energetics.
Zach Bush, MD:And so the first nematodes and little tiny, you know, multicellular creatures, parasites and the like, were required to have this upgrade of energetics to start to coordinate more complex life. Humans have this extraordinary density of microbiome, our gut being a good example. We have the most complex ecosystem of any animal on planet, and any ecosystem within the planet dwells that diversity within the human gut. And so the human colon is the most diverse ecosystem on the planet by species. 40,000 bacterial species, maybe half a 1000000 fungi, yeast, etcetera.
Zach Bush, MD:So per cubic centimeter is just mind boggling, more than rainforest, coral reef, you name it. And so life is this extreme concentration of energy made possible by the mitochondria or and the bacteria in the smaller form. So bacteria inside your cells and the bacteria outside of your cells are producing enough condensation of energy to allow life to happen. So this really starts to get at your question of where's energy come into this whole equation if we don't have energy for relationship between household members and your kids are driving you crazy and you're about to lose your mind and the things. And well, that's exactly what's happening in every human body right now.
Zach Bush, MD:The immune system's overwhelmed, has so much taxation on it. Every time you eat, breathe, things too much is coming in. The barriers have fallen down. There's no healthy boundaries. Everything's overwhelming your immune system.
Zach Bush, MD:Autoimmune disease recurs. Chronic inflammation occurs. Whole thing is in total inundation, and so it's definitely long past psychotherapy. It's like in the psych ward now in complete psychotic state of, I don't even know who I am, and so I'm gonna start attacking everything. So your immune system is now making you the enemy.
Zach Bush, MD:And that's happened to my own company now, and so I'm watching the immune system that I thought I had around me attacking me now, saying that I'm the problem and that I'm the disease. And so that's such an interesting thing to watch happen at the macro level that I've been studying on the microscope for all these years, and we're gonna keep repeating this pattern. We're gonna find the finds that that moment to outsource the problem and then attack it, not realizing it is us. You know? And so this milieu is happening down the microscopic level.
Zach Bush, MD:And then comes, you know, this glyphosate moment in 1976 where we develop an antibiotic to grow our food in. And so now this antibiotic called glyphosate, which is the active ingredient in Roundup, £4,000,000,000 of this this herbicide are produced annually and put into our soils. It's hard to wrap your head around £4,000,000,000 of a tiny, tiny molecule. Like, it we're talking about so much of this chemical on the planet that is dwarfing everything else in a lot of ways. And so this chemical has become so ubiquitous.
Zach Bush, MD:It's waterborne. So it's in our river water. It's in our rain water. It's in the air we breathe. It's in the food we eat.
Zach Bush, MD:It's literally in inundated biology itself. It's in our fossil aquifers now. It's in my own, you know, cells in inside of me so that we've just become awash in this chemical. And it's fundamental damage that it does to humans is to decrease the the mitochondrial light production. And so mitochondria since 1976 have been diminishing their life force every single day slash year at a higher and higher rate.
Zach Bush, MD:And for that, we've seen the collapse of human biology and a 10,000 fold rate increase of extinction of species across the planet because we're literally putting the lights out on life. When life can no longer concentrate energy, and we now know that fermentation of bacteria can do it 1,000 times brighter than the sun. So a cubic centimeter of bacteria churning away in fermentation are producing a 1000 times more sunlight than a cubic centimeter of the sun. And then you go to mitochondria 10 x that, 10000 times brighter than than the sun. So why aren't you just like blinding me 10000 times brighter than the sun?
Zach Bush, MD:I shouldn't even be able to like stand next to you. It's because you're using all of that energy to stay alive and so to create life. That's chife. Yeah. Yeah.
Zach Bush, MD:So life is the shine. Exactly. Life is the shine like to be alive is to be 10000 times more energetic than the sun. Wow. Whether you're a house plant or a human, you are so many thousands times brighter.
Zach Bush, MD:And so life is the physical manifestation of light made into particle. Einstein famously said light can be a particle or a wave at the same time, blah blah blah. So you can shine, but you have to let go of your particle for a moment. And you do that every millionth of a second. And so a human at the atomic level is becoming particle then wave, particle then wave, particle then wave.
Zach Bush, MD:So you shine every millionth of a second shine particle, shine particle, shine particle, shine particle. So you do shine, but just for a split moment and then you're back to particle. And that's why we know you as a body. And so you are a human body animated by an energetic mathematics that remembers who you are in between the millionth of a seconds when you disappear. And so you keep reordering to you.
Zach Bush, MD:And so this is what we might call a soul, it's an energetic imprint of space time that says this is going to be Kate. Mhmm. And it's still Kate. And Kate never wakes up thinking she's Zack, which is pretty amazing in and of itself. That'd be weird.
Zach Bush, MD:A bad nightmare. But, this is the phenomenon that we're dealing with is, oh my gosh, we have self identity at this energetic level that's expressing biology because we can concentrate so much light energy because the mitochondria are so full within ourselves. And so the mitochondria's job is to break apart double carbon bonds and release sunlight. Plants' jobs is to take c02 and store sunlight between those carbons. So we call that glucose or carbohydrates, we call it fatty acids.
Zach Bush, MD:Long fatty chains and long carbohydrate chains are just stored sunlight and your mitochondria are releasing that sunlight back inside of an organism so that it can shine and do its thing that we call life. And so we should really quickly figure out a society that's not founding our food system on a chemical that lowers the light within our humanity. The symptoms of that, lowering of the light, the lowering of the capacity for the mitochondria to take your potential energy and and turn it into light, has been mapped out in 8,000,000,000 people. As soon as it started to happen in 1976, within 5 years, we had a global obesity epidemic begin, which has been rolling across. 10 years later, we have autoimmune disease rolling across the entire species.
Zach Bush, MD:A few years into that, chronic pain syndromes leap out of nowhere. Suddenly, everybody's developing pain for no apparent reason. You just wake up one day and you are in horrible crippling 10 out of 10 pain in a limb or in chronic patterns across your body. Within a few years of that, we see explosions of leukemia, lymphoma. In parallel to that, we see Parkinson's in males, Alzheimer's in women, attention deficit in autism, and that all happened in in my medical career.
Zach Bush, MD:In 1992, I didn't see any of that. Yeah. By 1998, Everywhere. Everyone's in overwhelm. By 2008, doctors are throwing up their hands in committing suicide.
Zach Bush, MD:Doctors have one of the highest suicide rates out there because we are so hopeless in the face of this deluge of disease that gets worse, and the outcomes are worse no matter what we seem to do. And so this is the dimming of the lights of humanity that end at really infertility and the loss of gender. And so we degender when there's not enough energy in the womb. And so if you don't have enough life force, light force within the womb, the complexity of differentiating into a masculine testosterone androgen side or an estrogenic feminine side, that polarity takes a lot of energy. To differentiate cells and say, you know what?
Zach Bush, MD:We're not gonna just be ambiguous. We're going to go hard this direction. And you're gonna do it multiple times in life. You're gonna do it embryologically, and then you're gonna do it at 2, and then you're gonna do it at 5, and then you're gonna do it at 10, and then you're gonna finish it off at 18. You're gonna go through these massive surges of polarity by increasing the amount of energy that you're putting into differentiating away from center.
Zach Bush, MD:As energy decreases, ambiguity sets in at all levels. Neurologically, we can see it in the little nuclei within the deep brain where masculine expression of testosterone makes some of those nuclei really big, estrogen makes others big. We're now seeing brains that simply do not have big nuclei there, and there was no polarity that happened. So the brain doesn't know if it's masculine or feminine. Right?
Zach Bush, MD:Male, female. It's it's not differentiating. So this is a biologic phenomenon, and unfortunately, we got a lot of people running around saying this is like George Soros or something attacking us with sociologic. No. This is a biologic It's mitochondrial.
Zach Bush, MD:Predictable phenomenon of the decline of mitochondrial production of light. And so our society is diminishing its light and therefore diminishing our expression as a procreative species. Yeah. We can't procreate
Kate Northrup:Without anymore. The light, without the energy.
Zach Bush, MD:There's not enough light. And that happens most of all, and it's cool, fascinating, and beautiful again. How does light life happen? It happens from light. And so the conception moment when life begins is the most energetic thing that happens in biology.
Zach Bush, MD:All of the eggs that that produce the children you have and the energy they carry is so emblematic. Like, it's not hard to believe that humans are 10,000 times brighter than the sun when you see your action. They are just so bright. Those kids are just, like, I still can feel it in my body what it feels like when they're, like, climbing all over my head, and they're swinging in circles on the swing in the house, and they're doing the things, and telling me a 1,000 stories, and then they wanna be flipped back and forth on the couch, like, a 1,000 times till my arms and shoulders are so exhausted I couldn't do it anymore. Like, that amount of energy, that's what life looks like.
Zach Bush, MD:And the reason we're not doing that at 40 in the same way at 4, is because your mitochondrial density has decreased so much by 40, which maybe is good because I'd be funny if I was flopping around here. It'd be
Kate Northrup:hard to
Zach Bush, MD:have a conversation. I mean, it'd be so much better because we wouldn't have to have a conversation. We could simply just be alive instead of telling people what being alive is. You know, you're just simply embody.
Kate Northrup:Just do it.
Zach Bush, MD:Just be embodied. Like, who cares about mighty God? Be honest to God. I'm always amazed how much I talk about this over and over again. But if I if I just would embody life Yeah.
Zach Bush, MD:People would stop and buy me on podcasts, but I would be expressing it better. You know? I I would be so much more effective as a human being for sure. So we we see this diminishment through a natural life cycle. You know?
Zach Bush, MD:At the end of life, we have less energy than we did as a child Uh-huh. And we can't heal as well. And so you skin your knee at nighty and it can put you in the hospital from infection.
Kate Northrup:Oh my god. My grammy was like with the bandages. The fabric. I mean, that
Zach Bush, MD:was skin
Kate Northrup:can't even hold on. Not even. It was like tissue paper.
Zach Bush, MD:2 year old trips, falls, tears apart their knee. 4 days later, can't even tell it even happened. Like, there's no scar tissue. It's just like on it. Like, just back
Kate Northrup:and perfect.
Zach Bush, MD:Amazing. That's that's what human life should look like. And so we get to see it for a short amount of time, then we put ourselves in a divorce from nature. And in that nature deprivation, we lose mitochondrial density very quickly just as you do microbiome when you stop breathing air, stop touching soil, stop being in the ocean. Nature deprivation leads to a collapse of microbiome, diversity and number, and that microbiome includes the mitochondria within ourselves.
Zach Bush, MD:And so we get this rapid decrement in life force and energy, and then suddenly, wow, that's fascinating. The very system that we thought was against us has been trying to nurture us and did nurture us into our existence. And the cool thing that we're finding out on regenerative farms all over the world and in regenerative clinics around the world is that health is so much more graceful than the disease. Health returns so quickly to a piece of land that has just not been sprayed with antibiotics for a single fall. Just one fall without spraying.
Zach Bush, MD:Just one season. Spring is just a new day. And so that's my promise to all of you is that you will heal faster than you're diseased if you will just reconnect to nature. And this is our opportunity and this is why I love the meat grinder because if I find myself in a meat grinder moment, then it's nature showing me that that I was yet disconnected from her and I was starting to trust something other than natural systems for my safety, for my security, for my income, for for my social imp in input. I'll tell you what my wound is and I think it's common to all of us.
Zach Bush, MD:I have a story that runs within me in a 1,000 different variations, maybe 10,000 different variations, maybe a 1,000,000 that I'm lonely. And it's absolutely physically the most ridiculous, ludicrous story that you could possibly come up with, because I'm not. I am surrounded by more people than you can possibly shake, and I'm a severe introvert. Yeah. And so the reason an introvert would create a loneliness dialogue or narrative or monologue to itself is hilarious.
Zach Bush, MD:And I'm surrounded by people, and I'm surrounded by companies and projects. And, like, for God's sakes, all I really need is to sit with a piano and play for a little bit alone. And yet, during that piano song, I guarantee you there will be a little narrative that'll kick in of, like, maybe you're unlovable, maybe you're alone, maybe nobody really knows you, like, and the narratives kick in. And so, I just want everybody to know that everybody feels this way. Everybody has the illonliness thing going.
Zach Bush, MD:No matter how long No matter You've got a 1,000 of them running all the time. These are the sub programs of humanity as we got kicked out of nature. Therefore, we're deeply abandoned. And in that abandonment for nature, we believe we're lonely all the time because we have this root wound that we haven't healed. And so I just humor myself in my own ridiculousness all the time.
Zach Bush, MD:I'm like just I can wake up in the morning and be like, wow, that lasts like 5 or 6 seconds of you feeling like a child and you felt so good. And you were so excited about the day and 5 seconds later, all the narratives are running. The program uploads. It's like your phone coming back on little Yeah. Thing.
Zach Bush, MD:You're like, oh, that's good. I can't even And then, oh, okay. And now I got emails and things. And that wonderful moment while the while the little mystery wheel is still spinning in your brain before you fully wake up Mhmm. That's the only time you're you.
Zach Bush, MD:It's the only time you're real. And then you upload the whole program again upon consciousness and and so we we were in this wound. So I guarantee you we will destroy ourselves in the effort to find our humanness because there's nothing more uncomfortable than not knowing yourself. And so When
Kate Northrup:you say we're gonna destroy ourselves like are you talking literally?
Zach Bush, MD:Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean we can't procreate anymore. Like Right.
Kate Northrup:We're doing that process. Timeline of
Zach Bush, MD:We're on a tight timeline of
Kate Northrup:Of
Zach Bush, MD:That was the biologic end. So what's going extinct? I would like to differentiate life from human. Life is is turning over. Life does this.
Zach Bush, MD:There's been 5 major extinction events on the planet and extinction in the human brain because we're so anthropomorphic says that's an end. No. No. No. It's a rebirth that you can't even imagine and it's so much more beautiful than you can possibly imagine.
Zach Bush, MD:Every time there's an extinction nature goes logarithmic in her biodiversity, in her complexity, in her intelligence, in the beauty. Last one we go from dinosaurs to birds to mammals to humans. That was an extinction that was necessary to allow the dinosaurs to remove reptiles, the dominant expression of biology, to make room and imagination because all the genes misspell under extinction stress. All the genes on the planet go and rewrite themselves into new possibilities, and then you've got deciduous trees and wildflowers that just didn't exist before the extinction. So extinction is a deep breath in and a breath hold.
Zach Bush, MD:And if anybody's done breath work, you know how powerful that is. If you take a deep breath in and do a breath hold and then expire and let it out and relax, the next breath is just ecstasy. Yeah. DMTs, oxytocin, your brain's going like nuts, and all you did was hold your breath at the top and then let it out and then take one big full breath. That's what nature is doing right now.
Zach Bush, MD:She's in a breath hold and she does that by allowing her soil systems to die. So every 20000 years the whole planet desertifies. A third of the north end of the hemisphere goes into desert. North Africa we call it the Sahara. It's only a desert every every cycle.
Zach Bush, MD:It goes back into the largest grasslands and the whole Middle East is grasslands and Savannah and China and Siberia. The whole thing goes back to green and then it dies again. During the desertification cycle of the planet which we're well into, we're pretty much at the maximum breath hold now. The soil stops beating the lungs, the lungs literally stop moving and you get an accumulation of gases in the atmosphere. C02 goes up naturally.
Zach Bush, MD:So that breath hold happens, c02 can't isn't being breathed in and then she takes a deep exhale, and then she takes this massive inhale and Africa goes green. And the Sahara's green and Saudi Arabia's green and the whole thing's there. And so the earth is in breath hold. I think I'm in a breath hold right now, letting everything die a little bit further. Let the Sahara Desert go a little bit further.
Zach Bush, MD:Let my narratives die out because I don't have energy to keep up my narratives anymore. I just I I don't have the mitochondria reserve. I'm like, okay. So I'm the enemy. Whatever it is, like
Kate Northrup:With all the projects that you do and, like, your company, Ion, which maybe you changed the name of it.
Zach Bush, MD:Ion's right.
Kate Northrup:Okay. Great. And and farmer's footprint and all of the things that you pour into to help us regenerate soil, help us regenerate our gut, help us to do this. Like, I I listen to you, and I'm like, so is that just delaying the inevitable in your viewpoint? Like, what's the, I mean, I guess my question is what's the point?
Kate Northrup:Yeah. No. I'm I'm really curious.
Zach Bush, MD:I I agree with that every day. So we we designed our supplement company, for example, to to make itself obsolete. And so if you're not planning for obsolescence of a company, then you've created a crush that's gonna just delay the inevitable. So we started nonprofits out of the revenue from the company that would start regenerating the soil so that we didn't need fossil soil ex extracts as a supplement. Yeah.
Zach Bush, MD:And so we saw that. We're like, that doesn't make any sense that we need gonna need that long term. We gotta wait a short period of time for the soils of the earth to recover if food system's correct. So we've done, you know, our best, and the interesting is thing is our revenue is not huge, and so we can only do so much. And so we've gotten some partners and all this, but for as many people who have been infected with that, it's challenging to open up the economics that really scale that thing profoundly.
Zach Bush, MD:But more companies need to start planning for obsolescence. And, you know, whether it's a Tesla, like lithium batteries are terrible idea for a planet that has no lithium cycle. We should have carbon based energy systems because there's nothing more effective. 10000 times brighter than the nuclear is pretty good. Why aren't we doing carbon energy systems?
Zach Bush, MD:So I started a carbon carbon energy company that's doing carbon conversion of of agricultural waste back into all of that solar energy that's in there. And so you can do that. You can take plastics and tires through the same technology and get it to go. And this technology has been iterating for almost 30, 40 years, and it just hasn't gone mainstream largely because we were using these old masculine archetypes of I'm gonna build something and patent it and own it, and then I'll sell it. No.
Zach Bush, MD:It needs to become part of the natural landscape. So we're having to relearn business not just re redesign products. Business has to start to become a natural system. So how does a how does a technology start to seed itself across a world that every ecosystem needs closed loop carbon energy because it's the most effective, most efficient thing on the planet? So how does that start to look when you're not trying to scale a company and patent everything and and then sell it for What if it just becomes part of the revenue stream of the ecosystem or the community and how do you build that?
Zach Bush, MD:So that's what we've been working on. Technology was relatively easy to build. It's been the social system around that technology that's been a crawl of how do we get, you know, energy companies, municipalities to start to think differently. And interestingly, Ecuador is starting to open its stores of this technology. India as well much faster than the United States.
Zach Bush, MD:And so I'm excited that there are little pockets that are saying, yes, we want distributed systems of energy. We want a natural system of energetics for our communities because they're seeing the frailty and vulnerability of centralized power of of a power company or whatnot. And so distributing this stuff through is is an exciting thing. So the idea of seeding technologies rather than scaling technologies, the idea of really becoming biologic in our corporations as much as we're trying to do, like, 1% for the planet. We kinda need to do 99% for the planet.
Zach Bush, MD:Right? Like, bad idea doing the 1% in some ways. It was just an it's such a a emblem, I think, of the way in which we're so slow to actually change behavior. We we decided 1% for the planet was adequate and it was gonna be a badge of honor. Like, it's like so you're 99% not for the planet.
Zach Bush, MD:You're 1%, and now you actually got an emblem that says 1% of the planet on your system. And nobody has cognitive dissonance over that?
Kate Northrup:It's
Zach Bush, MD:amazing. Now, the founders of that thing and everybody else is saying, hey, that was not enough. Like, we didn't that was we we gotta redo it. And so to everybody's credit, we're now realizing we should all have cognitive dissonance over anything that's 99% not for Earth. And so how do we start to do this?
Zach Bush, MD:We have to have a lot of patience towards ourselves, towards our corporations, towards our communities. Like, wow, we gotta really redesign everything within the template of nature. And fortunately, nature has given us that template. And so the way forward for me is is to keep envisioning a future where I don't work. I I need everything to go obsolete, including my my need for monetary extraction from other people so that I have the wealth to maintain a big house and my car, all these things.
Zach Bush, MD:And so what does that lifestyle start to look like? And if it's not like going back to the stone ages, it's a leap forward into a technology that I would call human. We're gonna go extinct as our current biology, but if you look around at the behavior of our species right now, I think it's inhuman. We are radicalizing our children to murder one another across fences at 18 years old and we call that a reasonable well justified war. We're trafficking children for commerce and sex all over the world.
Zach Bush, MD:We are expressing inhumanity and so thank God that's going extinct. We have this little window of opportunity to say, what if we were to become human? I don't think we're there yet. We're almost human. We were designed to be human.
Zach Bush, MD:We are not behaving like humans. We are behaving inhumanely. And so there is a great extinction coming of our inhumanity. And I believe there's a moment of rebirth for humanity to present itself for the first time. And that's what I'm holding my breath for and wanna stay present for.
Zach Bush, MD:Because there's a lot of days where I'm like, I've experienced everything. Why am I sitting here?
Kate Northrup:Totally.
Zach Bush, MD:What's the point? Like, it's ridiculous. Like, it's ridiculous. You look around something like Miami, and you're just like, there's nothing I can do to change the system. Oh, man.
Zach Bush, MD:Yeah. It's so ludicrous. Like, what? Yeah. I mean, can I really change humanity that feels like it's radically logical to put latex implants into the butt to make it a different shape?
Kate Northrup:Or even like Zach, the other day something came up in my 3rd grader's class and it was a tech thing, and I won't even get into the details. However, I send a message. I'm, like, trying to be, like, a
Zach Bush, MD:Trying so hard.
Kate Northrup:Kind, normal, warm mom. I send a message like, hey. Given that this is top topical about, like, mental health and our kids and their safety and like tech, I'd love to open up this conversation, you know, to talk about like how we can just, you know, really support their well-being like mentally and emotionally and like keep them, you know, in their imaginations and their whatever. Crickets.
Zach Bush, MD:What's the point? Yeah.
Kate Northrup:How is it? There's 2 other moms. I love them. But it's like I feel like it's so sort of, like, obvious or whatever that I would wanna, like, nurture my kids' brains and hearts and keep them who they are as long as possible. It's like, I guess I'm the only one.
Kate Northrup:So then I just obsess about maybe we moved need to move to Tennessee or whatever. But then there's also this illusion of, like, that wherever we go, there we are. Right? That I'm gonna end up finding something somewhere else, which is the same freaking thing where we started the conversation Sure. But you
Zach Bush, MD:will find nature somewhere else. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:No. I'm gonna find better grass there.
Zach Bush, MD:We will carry our internal landscape everywhere.
Kate Northrup:Yes.
Zach Bush, MD:But the external landscape can change.
Kate Northrup:And it it matters.
Zach Bush, MD:And it's the whole story. Yeah. Because if we reground into nature, which has no trauma.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Zach Bush, MD:And so we can't You actually haven't ever looked out in in the world around you and said, I feel like I am because that oak tree is that oak tree.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. For sure that's never happened.
Zach Bush, MD:It's never happened. That's amazing. You've never been able to externalize your crap on nature. No. It doesn't have a place for it to sit because it doesn't have crap.
Kate Northrup:No. Even if your dog is annoying you, you're still just like pure love.
Zach Bush, MD:And whatever the dog might have is because humans A 100% of the meat. Separate from nature. Yeah. So we can we can screw up other species for sure by removing them from their nature. But I I think it's profound that you cannot ever externalize your trauma on a a a potent member of nature.
Zach Bush, MD:Nature was designed to force the internal work to be done. And so when I start to go into feeling this chaos of like, oh, it's all my fault or it's all things. Nobody understands me and I am lonely and I'm All I have to do is look at a tree literally for 3 or 4 minutes. Yeah. Lay down under the tree, look up through it, my whole neurology resets.
Zach Bush, MD:Yeah. I'm a new human. I'm like, oh. I can't even remember exactly what I was anxious about but obviously it was ridiculous because it's not here now.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Zach Bush, MD:And so, you reset and you reset. And so, I just want everybody to know that maybe Tennessee is the right answer. You know, maybe And that happened during the pandemic. I'm not really
Kate Northrup:Mike Hughes at that.
Zach Bush, MD:Yeah. Oh, I'll talk to Mike. I I got some cities for you guys to look at. Okay. Yeah.
Zach Bush, MD:But, no. It's it's so profound and I'm just so happy that nature has provided us this absolute instantaneous reset. Yes. And this is why we go to the beach. This is why we go to the mountains.
Zach Bush, MD:This is why we go to the desert. It's because we know we will reset something fundamental when we look out there. And if we become more conscious of why we're pursuing those nature experiences, we can start to design a world around nature again. So we need to become conscious of our only path forward now. If we're gonna let our inhumanity go extinct and we're gonna let humanity become expressed again, we're gonna have to let nature lead our path back into our self identity.
Zach Bush, MD:It's the only way we'll find ourselves. We can't do it by looking at another human. It's just another isolated being that's gonna reflect everything back at you that's not you. Keep telling you you're something you're not. No matter how close they are to you, and actually the closer probably the more problematic.
Zach Bush, MD:And so your spouse is the last one you need to like hold responsible for your, you know, anything because you're way too close to the trauma. And so you guys we all gotta back up from each other and let nature intervene into our relationships and let nature become that ultimate metabolizer between us. And we do that, we're gonna find really rapid health, and and our humanity will emerge. It's the Ubuntu thing. I am because you are.
Zach Bush, MD:Right? And so we will not who know the I am until we are out in the other. And so when we continue to build cities of isolation where we only look at humans and we can make schools whereas 5 year olds only look at 5 year olds, we have not advanced humanity. But if we let those 5 year olds sit under an 80 year old oak tree and then go home and eat lunch with a grandmother, we'll have a different society in a heartbeat, different
Kate Northrup:place. Thank you, Zach. This is so great. I really appreciate you. Thanks for showing up here.
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Zach Bush, MD:Nothing left. Thank you.
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