The Junkyard Love Podcast

Nate is a husband, father, stunt-bike rider, motivational speaker, videographer, inspired leader, and an honest man. 

He joins us to engage in a deep, introspective conversation about personal growth, spirituality, and masculinity. We explore themes of overcoming adversity, finding purpose, and the importance of fatherhood and personal accountability. The discussion centers on Nate's transformative journey from a risk-taking lifestyle to a more purposeful existence, emphasizing the significance of faith, commitment, and continuous self-improvement. Throughout the conversation, we challenge societal norms and encourage listeners to focus on internal development, rather than external validation.


Some notable quotes from the episode:
"The weight that you feel that makes you want to end the game is purpose and responsibility." - Nate Tanzman
"If you want what you say you want, expect it to be difficult." - Nate Tanzman
"Most of the stuff that we're supposed to do, we will never receive credit for. But that's what you're supposed to do." - Nate Tanzman
"If you are not raising warriors in your homes, sons and daughters that have discernment, your lineage is doomed." - Nate Tanzman
"I feel like everything is trying to tell us in some way. Stop thinking about yourself and serve other people." - Nate Tanzman
"Serving the image of you is not the same thing as serving you." - Jacob Rhines
"Every action you take is a vote for the person you want to be." - Referenced by Nate Tanzman


For more on Nate, find him on socials here:
https://www.instagram.com/nastynate_jr/
https://www.instagram.com/thegoodfightclubco/
https://www.instagram.com/oneshotmedianw/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0BMh7ytNDc
https://open.spotify.com/show/5L3tpbX0mCWORS9P28ES7n?si=45930642b77e445b

Please react with the podcast and follow if you've enjoyed the show.
For more Junkyard Love and more on the host, Jacob, head over to - https://www.instagram.com/jacobfromtheinternet/

See ya next episode! lots of great guests booked, can't wait to share!! Hit subscribe!!




What is The Junkyard Love Podcast?

Mining the hearts and minds of unorthodox teachers.

Here you'll find playful, inquisitive, and friendly dialogues with the likes of psychologists, musicians, teachers, yoga instructors, philosophers, DJs, health educators, entrepreneurs, astrologists, holistic healers, meditators, life coaches, athletes, hairdressers, authors, speakers, comedians, leaders, advocates, changemakers, seemingly regular people bursting with wisdom, artists, mathematicians, and much more.

The Junkyard Love Podcast - for a better life.

Jacob Rhines:

Hello, and welcome to the Junkyard Love podcast. Well, I I kinda interrupted you by hitting record. My apologies there, man. But, you're kinda just in

Nate Tanzman:

the process of

Jacob Rhines:

of of telling me about how, like, having having a kid just, like, change

Nate Tanzman:

your relationship with god is kinda like what what we're talking about. It it changed it changed everything, bro. Like I said, I just I just I'm I'm there for the burst. Like, I'm very like, I'm I'm right I'm right in the mix, bro. Like, I'm right there.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, I haven't pulled one out yet, but, ideally, that would be the plan, at some point. But, yeah, I just I just don't see how you can receive, again, a child and just not believe that this that this is magical and this comes straight from source. Like, even just on the craziest level of just biology. Like, how is it that we're created so perfectly? Right?

Nate Tanzman:

And so, you know, I gave in you know, and this is so different, I feel like, just even from you and me catching up, from even the pods we've done before, if anybody ever, you know, has seen that or know me. But, you know, nobody really knows this side of me, and that's why I've kinda taken, like, a little break from social media and posting and and being out, you know, in the mix and being outside as I like to call it because I'm trying to find my footing in this whole new life that I live and, you know, what is it like? I know that it's super important to men, especially to, like, represent something. Like, it's it's very important. It's very a part of, like, the masculine being to be like, alright.

Nate Tanzman:

I represent this. Like, I'm gonna take it. I'm, you know, I'm taking it across the finish line. Right? I'm taking the I'm I'm carrying the burning torch, and then here we go.

Nate Tanzman:

It's super important. And and, I feel like, you know, I had that before with the bike, but it's a very false sense of self accomplishment. Right? And I have, a great relationship with, like, the man that I used to be. And as far as, like, I was so close to being the right man, yet just just change directions a little bit.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? So it's like, and, again, you know, all kinda like what we're touching on before and I don't even I don't know if we just wanna keep going or what. But, the man, just everything I I just gave myself credit for everything, and and and I just felt so fraudulent about that. I really did. Like, I now I look back, I even believe that the bike was from God.

Nate Tanzman:

I really do. Because it's like, at that moment, in that point in my life, I was gonna commit suicide. So all of a sudden, this thing shows up, and I'm so invested in it, and I love it so much. It just keeps me around. Like, I I don't know, bro.

Nate Tanzman:

I just have a hard time wrestling with that idea that that I I just don't believe in coincidence. Right?

Jacob Rhines:

Do you do you see, like I think about it with myself too. Like, as much as I know now that, like, while I'm so glad that those things didn't become my long term, I know that I was exposed to and opened up to much more broad things than what I thought I was meant for at that time or whatever. Do you see it

Nate Tanzman:

as do

Jacob Rhines:

you see it as a very integral part of who you are today, though? Like, do you for me, it's hard. As much as I want to have this magic thing in my head, like, oh, if I could rewind time and not do that, I wouldn't. I'm not like that at all. I see that, like, I had to go through those things, and those were clearly the lessons that I needed to get to this version of myself.

Jacob Rhines:

Do you do you feel so?

Nate Tanzman:

I, a %, one, I I think that I think men for and this is, you know, I try to stick on certain thing. Like, I feel like people in general, like, we can go a little broader, but I think men specifically, only because that's what I'm experiencing, right, is we find our spirituality climbing the mountain. Right? I always have this, like, funny joke with my wife. It's just like, you know, she can come out of the bedroom after reading scripture, and she's just bawling her eyes out, and it's just so magical and all this kind of stuff.

Nate Tanzman:

And I'm just like, I don't experience that when I read the book. Like, I just don't. You know what I mean? But, like, when it snows and it's 25 and I'm in the river, I'm like, oh, here he is, bro. Like, oh my gosh.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, I feel you. Like and it's just like, I'm as far as just, like, you know, rewinding a little bit with the bike, like I said, I always have just given myself credit, and I've just always felt this sense of, like, you're kind of not a fraud. Like, I'm like, I am who I say I am. I know I show up. Like, there's not nobody that can look at me and say, you're not doing what you say you do.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, there's there's no part about that. Everything was always, like, out there. Like, you know, you say you put in this kind of work and you say you do this and you say you do that, and there you are. You know? Let me pause that.

Nate Tanzman:

And, you know, that was never that was never a question, but the question was, like, why is this thing happen? You know? And like I said, I Jake and, you know, hindsight's always twenty twenty. Right? So, you know, looking back, like, I'm like, that came to me.

Nate Tanzman:

That kept me alive, and I feel like that was the gift. It was like, oh my gosh, bro. Like, you really are serious about this. Like, you're really thinking about that. You're really thinking about taking your life.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, let me give you let me give you a distraction for a few years, and then you'll figure it out. And that's what it was. Like, you know, my wife jokes now. I mean, I drink an ungodly amount of caffeine, bro. Like, ungodly amount.

Nate Tanzman:

And she's just like, why is this necessary? And I just thought I thought I thought I'm like because it's the only thing that I know is not the best for me that I don't kick. You know what I mean? Because I'm like, I'm mad disciplined with the food and all these other things and the gym and all this stuff, and I'm just like, I know it's not the best. And I'm just like, I found peace in chaos.

Nate Tanzman:

So that, heart pumping adrenaline thing, that I feel at home. That's your familiar home. Yeah. You've worked there. Exactly.

Jacob Rhines:

You've spent a lot of hours in that spot.

Nate Tanzman:

Not only did I spend a lot of hours there, but I I spent peace there. Right? So it's like this comfort within this, like, chaos of just adrenaline and all these things that was, like, so attached to the bike that it created such a great relationship too. And also too, you know, the bike was the ability for me to have an out that wasn't my fault that never happened. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

So perfect. I'll just go as hard as I can on this thing. This thing will take me out. It's not even my fault. And it just never happened.

Nate Tanzman:

Not only did it never happen, I have video proof that I can send you that you can pop in here of somehow this guy's rolling around on the freeway. He rolls twice, and he's lands on his feet multiple times. Right? Or a bike runs into a bus station, and somehow I just fall off at the last second and land on my feet. Like, it just like I said, bro, I just look back, and I'm just like, something had his hand on me.

Nate Tanzman:

You know what I mean? And I just I have a hard time not going or saying, like, that was all me. Yeah. Like, give me the credit here. I'm the guy.

Nate Tanzman:

You know? So I wrestled with that for a while, bro. And that's why, like I said, I feel like there's a lot of what I was a few years ago is just not there anymore. You know?

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I think a lot about like, I've been doing this podcast this week because I started it pre pandemic. So it's been like it's been a little little over five years. And, I mean, you were, like, you were amongst my first fifty, and you you came on multiple times.

Jacob Rhines:

You you were reoccurring. So, like, we're in a weird way, we were going through a lot of similar stuff together. Mhmm. And it's interesting, though, because, like, I and I actually I was typing a wall of text to you when we were texting just like last week or whatever, and I didn't hissing because it just kept going on. I feel like this is something that could just continuously it's hard to land on what exactly am I trying to say, but there is like I I have I don't wanna listen back to those episodes.

Jacob Rhines:

Mhmm. I'm not ashamed of those episodes, but Mhmm. It's almost an unrecognizable version of me. Like, it's it's almost like Yeah. In in a lot of ways, dude and what's crazy for me is, like, I I was going through a lot of, like, deeply spiritual and and trauma stuff as well.

Jacob Rhines:

Like, I was going through basically a spiritual psychosis, and I just put a mic in front of me and had my friends come over. You know? And so, like, it's beautiful it's beautiful. So so all that to say, as much as there's like, oh, man. I don't really like, if you pulled a clip up from that time and said, like, hey.

Jacob Rhines:

What do you think about this? I'm probably gonna have a different input now. But I also see the way that if I hadn't done those things and been so vulnerable myself, I I wouldn't be where I'm at with this podcast where people are comfortable now to be, like, completely vulnerable, open. It's created a space. Like, without me even trying, I've created, like, this space for other people to come and just completely, like, lay it down and be authentic.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. I don't know. In in the podcast space, it I don't know. It could get cheesy quick, and it could feel like people are trying to sell you stuff. But, you know, I'm I'm a hundred and a 11 episodes in, and I've, you know, it's all it's all been free.

Jacob Rhines:

I've never tried to tell anybody anything. It's just been Yeah. Facts. Here's here's me and the people around me and the people that I'm meeting and, like, what we're going through, and hopefully it helps. You know?

Nate Tanzman:

Facts. Yeah. I like that.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. Well, so I I I thought about what's useful to people because I'm sure there's a good handful of people who have listened to the other episodes, and and that's awesome. But, as far as, let's, like, rewind a little bit. People who

Nate Tanzman:

absolutely have just clicked on it. Yeah. We were just cooking, bro, and we were just jumped right in.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so so let's let's set a stage and bring in some newcomers like, hey. You know, wave to all

Nate Tanzman:

of our friends.

Jacob Rhines:

I'm sure we have plenty of Pacific Northwest people who know both of us. Hello. But, you're gonna hear some repeats from us, for a few minutes anyway. So Yeah. Absolutely.

Jacob Rhines:

Nate, welcome to the podcast, brother.

Nate Tanzman:

Appreciate you, bro. Yeah. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to run it back because this will be I think that this will be the fourth time, bro. We did one we did two two dolo, and then we did one with my guy, Matt.

Nate Tanzman:

Remember?

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. That was amazing.

Nate Tanzman:

Yeah. So this would be the fourth time. That was a blast.

Jacob Rhines:

Well, anybody can go check out those. I mean, there's it's certainly, like, we've grown as men and and Yeah. %. It's been a while, but those there's some good valuables good valuable stuff in those older episodes. So

Nate Tanzman:

I agree.

Jacob Rhines:

Nate, man, will you give me just, like, kind of a a bio? I know it's an impossible question, but will you will you fill us in if we don't know who you are?

Nate Tanzman:

Yeah. Wow. And it's funny because we were just talking right before we turn the camera on or where if this is gonna start about how, I'm in a phase where I'm trying to find my footing again. Right? I identified with one thing, which was start writing for a very long time.

Nate Tanzman:

I spent ten years of my life dedicating my entire life, all all all my time, all my money, all my energy to one thing that I feel like is just now a piece of me and not the whole bit of me. So, you know, to give a bio, man, I don't know. I'm working on that. Right? I'm working on a new one.

Nate Tanzman:

I'm I'm a I'm a new dad, three kids, under four years. Husband married, working on that. That's my main focus is my family and my marriage right now. The last time we spoke, man, I was managing a restaurant, fully full entrepreneur, run a content agency. Fantastic.

Nate Tanzman:

Been the thing that I needed, I feel like, to pull to to pull the dog back out of me from, like, kinda getting out of the bike and into something new is just like, you know, put your back up against the wall and have mouths to feed and not know where the next check's coming from. You know? I feel like these are the type of moments that I needed to actually find, which is kinda what we're talking about before, was in my spirituality because I just kept leaning on myself. Right? Like, you know, believe in yourself.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, do do this yourself yourself yourself yourself yourself. And I feel like that is so the narrative of self help, social media, like, you know, all this, like, motivational guru stuff, which I used to be that guy. Like, I that was my MO was like, yo, I did this. Like, you know, you you know and I just found I always found that and we know this. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

We've had even this conversation, you know, years past that the finish line is always, like, after you, like, break the tape and you get that, it's empty. Right? So it's like, what if I know this. Right? And I'm fortunate, Jake, and I think this is something where I feel like I'm going to be a testimony towards is I reached a place previously.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, we had this conversation where ninety nine point ninety percent of people ever get in their life, and that's will you find something in this life that you're willing to die for? And not only are you willing to die for it, but willingly die for it. Right? I mean, I used to tell my mom, mom, I love you. If I pull out this driveway and I don't come home, don't be sad.

Nate Tanzman:

Why? Because I wanted to be doing this. This is what this is how I wanted to go. K? What that means is death or the thought of death is where you really come alive.

Nate Tanzman:

This is like and, honestly, what I didn't even know when I was thinking about this the other day and while when we were gonna pod is and I didn't think of this until I was running a mile in 20 degree weather, like we were just talking about before, is the thought of death and being okay with death is true faith. Think about that. Like, you cannot be willing to go out like me and jump over the handlebars on the highway going 70 miles an hour if you don't believe that something's there to cover you.

Jacob Rhines:

What do you think people what do you think other people think of death? Why is it I I think that people are often fearful of death, and we avoid the very thought of it.

Nate Tanzman:

Even though it's one it's even though it's actually one of the only promises that there is here. Think about it. What's like we're always that's what we're always Jake, you know this. Right? We've had these conversations.

Nate Tanzman:

Everybody wants, like, the guarantee and the comfort and and the the routine and all this kind of stuff. Guess what? The only actual promise here is that you're gonna you're going out. So the fact that we're afraid of, the only actual promise actually stops us from the full experience here. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

And, again, so kinda what I was saying before is I actually went through this phase when I was, like, first awakening. Right? And first having kids, like, okay. Well, the man before, which we had spoke about, the liar, the cheater, the deceiver, the, you know, the breaking the law, running from the cops, doing all this, doing all that, causing trouble for no good reason at all, he has to die. And it's only true to some extent.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? It's not he has to die. It's what can how do you evolve him? Right? It's like I look at it like a sculpture.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? Like, okay. This sculpture looks good, but how can we make this, you know, for lack of better term, like Greek god? Can we chisel him more? Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Like, I just I need more in the obliques, bro. You know what I mean? Like, I need a little more. The shoulders are kinda lacking. You know what I mean?

Nate Tanzman:

It's the same sculpture. Right? But it's more chisel. It's more developed, I think, is a great word. So I went through this phase where, man, this is just a you know, scripture says it boasts in your weaknesses.

Nate Tanzman:

I was kinda docile because I'm like, okay. He's dead. Nasty Nate is dead. K? Now what?

Nate Tanzman:

Who okay. So k. How does how do I navigate this? Right? And it's like, no.

Nate Tanzman:

He doesn't die. He he he evolves. What was the word I just used? He, he develops. K?

Nate Tanzman:

So the same thing and I man, I wrote this cap the other day, bro, and this perfectly describes what do they say about simplicity? Right? As simplicity being the most powerful thing. I wrote this caption, and I can send it to Jake. And this is something I said for my son's birthday, and I tried and I just wrote out paragraphs and paragraphs and paragraphs, and I was like, okay.

Nate Tanzman:

How can you get this into a couple sentences? Right? Any parents out there, the first thing being a a father. Right? What I want my son to be proud to model me as a man.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? And what I want my daughter to marry a man like me. If you need to ask any other questions, I don't then you are you are lost. Right? Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Thinking about it. If my daughter brought me through the door, am I gonna be like, oh god. Like, we have an issue, or am I gonna be like, he's gonna take care of her? Right? Man.

Nate Tanzman:

And my son. Right? Like, man, is he gonna go, god, you know, when he's old? Like, this is what my dad did. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

And how do how do we get to the point where we're so deep in that sort of servitude that you understand that self development is how you do that. Right? So this is how you incorporate self into it is because if I don't go if I don't go kill the dragons when he's out in war, what advice do I have to give? Right? So I try to tell myself those three things, My daughter, my son, and then also the last thing, how do you get through hard situations?

Nate Tanzman:

And this is for parents. Live the advice you wanna give them. Right? So I'm gonna go to Jett when he's 16 and tell him to not up. Like, when I'm sitting in the garage, which is where I sit when I'm like, how is this gonna work?

Nate Tanzman:

Like, how are we gonna get out of this? Like right? Nut up. Like, this is it. This is a perfect opportunity for you to say one day, god, I remember one.

Nate Tanzman:

And this is what I did. K. And this is what I, I I said this caption. I feel like this perfectly kind of, describes what I'm saying. The only thing I truly care about is that when you grow up and you have your own kids, that you think I was a man worth modeling, that that you and your you that you, your siblings, and your mom know that I gave everything I had in me, and every day would be a perfect day to die for you.

Nate Tanzman:

And, man, that's just it, bro. Like, that's nasty Nate, but he's developed. Right? Like, I bro, when I tell you that I would have just had a smile on my face to die on the bike and and know that, like, the following weekend that my my boys were gonna go run from the cops because I had passed the weekend before, I would have been so happy. And I was just willing to lay down my life for that that season of my life.

Nate Tanzman:

And it's like, if I don't keep that, I'm I'm missing the point of why that happened. Right? So it's like, I when people talk about trauma, right, or, like and I just I wanna be careful with that because I I I I wanted previous podcast, and I I think it would be fantastic to watch these old podcasts that we did to see how far we've come, right, and to see me talk about trauma and all this and all. And this is just so new age. And, again, I I'm here to you know, there's a hundred and other 11 episodes.

Nate Tanzman:

If I piss you off, you can watch another one. Right? But my the what are the rule book that I believe in that has saved me from the depths of hell tells me that this is black and white, and this is how this thing goes. K? And I just believe that there's so much depth here that we miss, right, as far as, like, the test is supposed to be the testimony.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? So it's like, I feel like we we we blame the trauma and, like, the thing so much that you fail to go, wow. And, again, here goes the representation, Jake, that I was talking about, a team to represent. I that happened to me, so I fixed it so it doesn't happen to others. What other cause do you need to fight for?

Nate Tanzman:

Right? And now we're talking about, men's mental health. Right? And, again, we have talked about this in previous episodes where I would be embarrassed for somebody to watch that, not understanding that happiness is not the aim. Fulfillment is the aim.

Nate Tanzman:

What does fulfillment mean? This is worth it. K? Am I happy all of the time raising my three children, homeschooling them, doing all the hard stuff? No.

Nate Tanzman:

I'm absolutely not happy. But then when I watch my son operate in a public setting and kids are doing stuff and he's doing something else, I sure am like, wow. This is worth it, bro.

Jacob Rhines:

You can't buy that, dude. You you can't, like, pay a subscription price for that feeling. You you that's that's not, you know, falling in love and working hard for something you're proud of has nothing to do with busting a nut, dude. It's like Exactly. People get caught up in trying to, like, thinking that, oh, if I'm just happy, if I just really get what I think I want, then I'll be fulfilled.

Jacob Rhines:

And then what about tomorrow, dude? Yes. You know? Yeah. Sorry to interrupt.

Nate Tanzman:

No. And I love that you said that. So, again, the idea is, like, you know, and this is and I've done so much work on what are the parts of, you know, the four year what are the parts of the four year old podcast that or the five year old podcast that are valuable, right, that need to go, okay. You need to work on the things that he was talking about. So whatever five years ago that podcast that we were talking about, there's the battles and there's the boys that are now your audience, right, that need this that need this that need this wisdom.

Nate Tanzman:

You You know what I'm saying? So Right. Yeah. I just you know? And, you know, jumping off from there, just what we talked about before in the last episode, just like, you know, always trying to, like, you know, seek this, like, happiness and, you know, you know, everything's are so hard.

Nate Tanzman:

It's like, yeah. That's how it is, and that's how it's supposed to be. Right? My favorite scripture to whom much is given, much will be required, which is Spider Man, great power, great responsibility. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

If you want what you say you want, expect it to be difficult. Right? But, again, scripture, bro, I mean, this book, there is I'm as I'm sitting with it right here, there's nothing there's nothing wrong in here. Right? So, that's where wisdom is created is in difficulty.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? And we know this, but this is, like, all these things. And even Jake, us going back to the people that we were talking about before, Bob Proctor, you know, Neville Goddard, all these people. Guess what? These guys were quoting scripture, bro.

Nate Tanzman:

These guys were quoting scripture. Who's who's the super, super old Neville Goddard and, Florence. Bro, they were quoting they were quoting scripture. I didn't realize that until I was, like, listening to them, right, thinking like, oh, these guys are the these are the guys. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Right? Because, like, oh, I'm not listening to the the new guys. I'm listening to the OGs. And I'm like, but they were listening to the OGs, which is the disciples. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Even, Napoleon Hill, and he was quoting scripture. I'm like, bro, these guys that we believe are like the these are the oat and then the people that are ripping their material.

Jacob Rhines:

Mhmm.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? Because we're all nothing is created nor destroyed. Right? We can all agree with that. All these ideas are already floating.

Nate Tanzman:

It's our life experience that brings out the new perspective, which now new ears can hear new ears can hear. Yeah. But the thing is,

Jacob Rhines:

we would have never accessed the scripture in the way that you read it now. You wouldn't have had access to it meaning much to you if it was inputted to if it was handed in the same way it is to you now. Meaning, the way that those people that we learned from, the way that they heard it and interpret it and read it through their own experiences and their own, you know, experience of being a man and gave it to us, that was enough for us to go, that's interesting. I like that. And then sure enough, five, six years later, you're like, oh, I'm, like, jumping ahead.

Jacob Rhines:

I'm reading the books that he read, and then I'm finding out who the author that is and reading that book. Yes. Yeah. So it's a case.

Nate Tanzman:

That that metaphor right there is exactly what I believe that it is to be men and to be and to go again, there's no scripture. It doesn't real it doesn't relate to death, but it's the, the servant of the talents. Guys are asked to hold hold money, you know, gold, whatever. And they're asked to invest it. And then when they bring back more, the the the, you know, the king says, well done, my good and faithful servant.

Nate Tanzman:

And I can just see that as such a great and this had, again, nothing to do with death, but such a great thing to hear before your time here is is is gone. Right? Like, well done, my good and faithful servant. Like, you know, you you have you have I have entrusted you with little, therefore, I will give you much is is what it says. But it's like, I feel it's like, I've trusted you with with what you were supposed to do here.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? And it's like, that's I feel like like you said, we wouldn't have heard it if it wasn't from there is, like, this line, like, don't be the guy in this life, in your lineage, in in in, like, in your town, in your sphere, in your purpose. Don't be the guy that gets out of line. Right? That you're asking to sign yourself up for misery and a life of just, like, chasing pleasure and all these kind of things when you exit.

Nate Tanzman:

I call it, like, I love using war as metaphor because it's so barbaric. Right? Like, imagine you have a post to sit at. Right? This is your post.

Nate Tanzman:

Here's your gun. Here's your thing. And this is your no one else can sit here. This is I'm supposed to guard this door. This is this is my shift, and and no one else is coming.

Nate Tanzman:

Imagine you get up. Right? Like, that's how I look at it with purpose. And what we're supposed to do here is, like like you said, you know, you were we can be the next guys in the line that find the information that saved us from, you know, kinda both where we were. We're like, bro, I just wanna cash this in.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, I kinda just wanna be done here. But guess what, Jake? I realize it's all been the same mentality, bro. This is how close anybody that's in misery, you are so close to being right where you're supposed to be because the mentality never changed. I would rather do this than be here.

Nate Tanzman:

K? I take that same thing, and I just Jake, I remember this, bro. I remember being like, bro, just just do it, bro. Just do it. Because I would say, I would rather die than experience what I'm experiencing right now.

Nate Tanzman:

And I say the same thing all the time. If I don't squeeze the juice out of me, right, the potential that I feel like I'm, that is there. I'd rather just cash it in, and I know that I won't cash it in. So with that being said, anything short of squeezing the juice is like death. So that's what gives me the gusto.

Nate Tanzman:

It's like, this is life or death. And how did I come about this? Scripture, bro. Scripture is very black and white. There's no gray area.

Nate Tanzman:

And I feel like the people that really just really live live life, bro, it's very like, I'm doing this or nothing. Right? Or I'm doing this or this. It's not like, well, maybe do this, and I'll grab a little bit of that here, and I'll take a little bit of this. And, yeah, throw some of that on top.

Nate Tanzman:

It's like, no. It's like we're going for this life, and that's it. I tell my wife, it's either Ferrari or food stamps. I'm gonna own the island, or I'm gonna sleep on it. That's it.

Nate Tanzman:

There's no in between.

Jacob Rhines:

I I think there's a power that comes up. I think about this often. I try to find ways to elegantly write about it because, you know, I've I've been in kinda, like, the the mental health, I just got my, mindfulness meditation teacher certification and stuff. So a lot of my writing, I try to write about suicide in a way that's not cringey or weird or, like, overly, like, be be careful, everyone. I'm about to talk about suicide.

Jacob Rhines:

Like, there's part

Nate Tanzman:

of that that feels, like, shitty.

Jacob Rhines:

But, I think something that I keep coming to that was so useful for me, like, back in the day when we were going through those sorts of things is, dude, I and I heard somebody else say it

Jacob Rhines:

on a podcast, and it clicked with me because I made the decision myself. If you remove the option of suicide, like, if you just commit in this lifetime, if you do one thing and you say, I will, under no circumstance, ever take my life, no matter how hard it gets, no matter how painful it gets, I will not ever give up my life.

Jacob Rhines:

Mhmm.

Jacob Rhines:

That option is now fucking off the table, dude.

Jacob Rhines:

%. So now now what are you gonna do?

Jacob Rhines:

When it gets hard, that option of, like, you know what?

Jacob Rhines:

Maybe you start that self wallowing.

Jacob Rhines:

And I'm not trying to make anybody who who experiences that feel bad. I've been there. Nate's been there. But I think removing it as it's it is not an option. It's suddenly, like, it forces you to to look up.

Jacob Rhines:

And, like, maybe maybe there's not a magical staircase of light that lights up, but maybe there's, like, a speck of light in the dark and it's fucking 20 miles away, but, like, it's something. And you're like, I know I can't go back because I made the commitment that I can never go into darkness. Start walking towards that light, and sure enough,

Jacob Rhines:

more light will start

Nate Tanzman:

to show. I think what's really hard about that, bro, is tell us when we were there the things I'm about to say. Right?

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. Yeah. You don't know just like for me, dude. My life you you don't know, dude. You couldn't even fathom the things I've

Nate Tanzman:

been doing that. You have no idea. You have no idea. Right?

Jacob Rhines:

So So how do we reach that guy?

Nate Tanzman:

I try to do my best because the best part about this, bro, is I love Peter, bro, in the bible because Peter was Peter was a dog, bro. Like, Peter had a business. Peter was doing all this stuff, and Peter was also breaking the rules. Right? Peter was Peter was working on Sunday.

Nate Tanzman:

Peter wasn't supposed to be working on Sunday. Right? Peter, was kinda I just I Peter was supposed to preach the gospel. He was just this super passionate guy. And I just I I I love that because I can say I do this thing where I heard 50¢ into it, and I've started doing it ever since.

Nate Tanzman:

He says, when I'm in trouble, I'm 50¢. When I'm not, I'm Curtis Jackson. K? So the best part about this is I can talk about this, but I'm a but I'm a stunt writer. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

I'm not a preacher. So what does that mean? I'll follow the same rules that these guys have to follow because I don't get up on Sunday and stand in front of the camera and and get in the the pulpit because that's a responsibility I'm not ready for. But the cool part about this is I can share my experiences, but I'm still a stunt rider. So if I mess it up or if I say something I'm not supposed to say right?

Nate Tanzman:

When I realized, k, and this is and and for man, I hope and I hope we serve people in this moment. That's why I pray that I pray that anybody that's it's in this in this phase right now, I hope that we I hope that we can serve them. As I have this gun underneath my seat, right, oh, this is this is what I needed to hear that I wasn't ready to receive. So if you're not ready to receive it, I apologize, but this is, you know, this here here goes my testimony. The weight that you feel that makes you wanna end the game is purpose and responsibility.

Nate Tanzman:

K? So and behind that is think about it. If you wanna end your life, you feel powerless. You feel hopeless. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

You imagine you don't know how to ride a bull and somebody straps you to it and you can't fall off. Imagine that. K? That's how you feel in the most violent way. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Your teeth that are getting acting against the horns, like and I mean death. We're talking about death. Right? So imagine that it's getting stuck through your face like that that type of, weakness and just out of control. And I know now, again, hindsight's twenty twenty, that that responsibility and that wake that I felt was purpose.

Nate Tanzman:

And and just, like, I don't wanna say taking control, but, like, answering the call. Right? And I felt like I was so weak. Check this out. And, again, when you're in this space, you're already in you're you're you're doing everything wrong.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? So you're so weak, Nate, to not take this responsibility that you can't even kill yourself. You don't have the balls. You can't even get this right. You can't even commit to this.

Nate Tanzman:

You're not committing to anything. You can't even you want this, quote, unquote, but you won't even commit to that. Otherwise, it'd already be done. Right? So, again, same type of mentality like I talked about throughout the years pointed in the wrong direction.

Nate Tanzman:

K? So we're showing here lack of commitment to life, lack of commitment to purpose, but also lack of commitment to decision. You're not neat. Make the decision then. Let's get it done.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? So but how hard is that to hear in that moment? Like, I'll never forget. I have a friend who you know, Jay Cotterell. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

And I'm doing this, and I'm drinking, and I'm smoking, and I'm showing up drunk driving at his house and, you know, halfway, you know, hanging out the door. I'm gonna kill myself. He like, do it, pussy. You won't. And if you do, I won't be at your funeral.

Nate Tanzman:

And, man, that just hit me like a ton of bricks, bro. Just like, he's right. Like, I won't. Right? So what is this cry for help?

Nate Tanzman:

Right? So and we can get so deep into this. Right? The the lack of I didn't lack, you know, fatherhood, but just, like, who was there's a book. Anybody that's it's into scripture or or just wants to explore spirituality while the heart.

Nate Tanzman:

It's a book on spiritual masculinity, references the Bible. His name is John Eldridge. He uses a a, term, and he says, who who will give the man his name? Right? And he says, the father gives the man his name.

Nate Tanzman:

What does that mean? This this last name that you wear on your back, this is what we represent. What's that word? Represent like I talked about before. Something to represent.

Nate Tanzman:

This is what we do. This is how we handle shit. This is how when things get tough, this is where you go. Right? You you come to the house.

Nate Tanzman:

We do this. We have this. We, you know, we go there's no what's the coping mechanisms? There is none in place. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

It's just this is hard, exit. This is hard, exit. But where does this come from? Right? Lack of structure within coming from ideally, we'd get it from our followers.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? So this is why the same thing from the bike down to the suicide, I would rather this. I would rather die than this. Right? So for me, I would rather die than not feel like I gave my son enough, and, of course, he's gonna go through his own.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? But my job is to hey. You're four. For the next sixteen years, before you have to stick this sword in this dragon's neck, we're gonna sharpen it every day, bro. We're gonna sharpen it every day.

Nate Tanzman:

So when you go to stick in his neck, it goes all the way through, bro, and you'll have no problems. Right? So that is the harsher version of it. The more light version, I would say, is, like, imagine there's a book that's written about your life, and it's it's already done and it's already written. K?

Nate Tanzman:

So if when this book says, even at the very beginning, I carefully knitted you in your mother's womb, and I knew you beforehand. K? So if I have a place here k? It's just very simple. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

I'm not again, I'm not a preacher. K? This is what I read. Here we go. This is what helps me.

Nate Tanzman:

If I have a place here and these things are already done, scripture says, if I do this, then this happens. If I do this, then this is a good life. If I do right? It's already why do I need to go? Like, my purpose is already chosen for me.

Nate Tanzman:

At least but, again, we have this idea that we think we know this kind of stuff. Right, Jake? Like, I know I got purpose here and and all this, but I really gotta find it, and I really gotta do it, and I really gotta make a lot of money, and I really gotta make sure I'm successful and all this kind of stuff. But it's like but you keep leaning on yourself. It's already done.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? If it's already planned k? And and I'm gonna I have one more thing after this to land the plane. K? If it's already done, just step into it.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? So, again, there Nate was. Same mentality. He's going down there. All he has to do is turn.

Nate Tanzman:

I don't have to change at all. Nothing about me. I'm still a dog, bro. I still barely sleep. I still train like a professional athlete.

Nate Tanzman:

I haven't rode in two years. Nothing about me has changed. I'd still rather die than this. Nothing has changed. K?

Nate Tanzman:

Just step into it. Answer the call. The the call the call happens every single day. All you have to do is answer it. That is the weight that we're feeling is that we feel like men are designed to have a place here.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? We're designed to be inspirational, quote, unquote. That's why we look at all these other guys. Why do we get jealous? If you didn't believe that you were supposed to be like that, you wouldn't get jealous.

Nate Tanzman:

K? So imagine things are already planned out, and all you have to do is is step into it. K? And for anybody that that is thinks I'm cuckoo, totally fine. All I ask is what can we argue that if you followed the 10 commandments, which is are just the general rules, you could argue that you could live a better life.

Nate Tanzman:

That's all I'm gonna say. K? We can argue that. Right? You know, you're not gonna steal.

Nate Tanzman:

You're not gonna kill. You're not gonna commit adultery. Do all these things. Very basic. You could have a better life.

Nate Tanzman:

And imagine you get all the way to the end and you find out it's not true. Let's just say that. K? We find out this is all bullshit. K?

Nate Tanzman:

You can look back and be like, well, shit. At least I live a good life while I was here. Right? At least I was good to other people. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Treat your neighbor as yourself. But here's the nightmare. Imagine you get all the way to the end and you find out and you didn't follow the rules. Right? Or you just, like, did whatever you wanna do and and you were just wild and you were just outdoing girls and doing all this stuff and and, you know, sleeping with people's wives like I was and and all this.

Nate Tanzman:

And then you get to the end and you find out, oh, shit. This was real. Oh my god. Like, look where I'm headed. Not only look where I'm headed, but look at all of the heads.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? Look at this, like, metaphorically that I've taken and people's lives that I've ruined. Bro, if somebody if some if another man slept with my wife, bro, I I I don't know what I would do, bro. Like, I I I truly don't know if I could stomach that. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

It was like just a like, I was there. Just like, oh, no. No. No problem. Like, yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

No. No worries. Don't worry about it. Yeah. You're not here.

Nate Tanzman:

Like so that is just like and and the reason I'm

Jacob Rhines:

I

Nate Tanzman:

know I'm ranting, but I just wanna I just wanna give credit where credit is due. Right? Because people are gonna look on these old pods and, well, I remember that guy. Whatever. Yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

Whatever. And it's like, here's a new version of him. You know?

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I think, not that the place where you and I both were at in those podcasts was still a great spot, especially for a couple gents at that age and especially for, you know, just for for both of us for, you know, the past that we had before. So we were just kinda going through things out loud in a lot of ways.

Jacob Rhines:

And now I love the perspective that you're at. I love, like, where you've arrived. It's it's so beautiful, dude. It's like I feel like everything is trying to tell us in some way, stop thinking about yourself and serve other people. Like, serve who you can reach.

Jacob Rhines:

And then you hear it and you hear it and you hear it, and then, like, you

Nate Tanzman:

Think about it. Yeah. Yeah. It's And the and the the thing that I mean, you know is that we can all agree most of the time that it feels good. Why is it that our brain is wired for that?

Nate Tanzman:

Again, like, oh, let's think about coincidence. You know what I mean? Like and also to men. K? It's a pride thing.

Nate Tanzman:

K? We have this, like again, these beautiful, beautiful, beautiful traits built into us that we go this way with. K? When I show up, right, and if I have I mean, bro, I went I'm I'm willing to where I would I I'm more willing. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Let's just say I was in a bad situation. I'm more willing to wear rags to have my wife and kids dress nicely. Right? All day. Yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

I I am far more prideful in going, yo, I'm take I'm taking care of that shit. Right? Like, but you think about it. Think about what I just said. Yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

I'm taking care of that shit. And think about but then the self serving ego at in in that saying that same sentence. Right? Like, yeah. Look at my car.

Nate Tanzman:

I've been taking care of that shit. Yeah. Look at my car. Like, look at my look at my look at my money. Look at my this.

Nate Tanzman:

Look at my that. Look at my watch. Like, look at all this. Right? And think of how much more depth that's there when you're really again, because it's like that same mentality.

Nate Tanzman:

I'm not gonna problem. You're not gonna die for a watch, bro. The difference is when I say I'm taking care of my shit, I'm I'll die for this right here, right now. Right? Like, if somebody comes and there's a situation, I'm no problem taking a bullet.

Nate Tanzman:

And when someone comes and, like, give me your watch, you're gonna be like, bet. Here. Take it. Right?

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, no problem. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely, bro. You want the here.

Nate Tanzman:

Let me give you

Jacob Rhines:

this too. It's like, what what are you assigning value to?

Nate Tanzman:

Exactly. So, Jake, I'm I'm really in a place, bro, where I'm trying to take and this is perfect. We're we're building my bio for the front. I'm really trying to build the exact life that I want based upon the story that I've always told. As everyone's seen on my Instagram, the underdog.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? The guy that never quits, the guy that rolls around on the concrete and never made a single dollar from it, never had a problem, get back up and get him right back on. I'm trying to build that narrative by building the exact life I want by following these rules, and then when I get there, saying that these are the rules I follow. I feel like that's a pretty simple way to put it. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

It's like, well, you know, why do you believe that? Well, this says it right here, bro. This is why I believe that. Well Like

Jacob Rhines:

And you could also like, you now realize you could make the most legitimate impact that way when it's not so much like, I'm not trying like, you know, there's this ego side of, like, dude, do what I did. You're just like me. I see myself in you, and, you know, there's helpful ways into connecting with people with that. But %. One thing I love about any sort of spirituality is not like, like like, let let me bite size this for you and package this for you, interpret it for you.

Jacob Rhines:

It's like, no. Hey, man. This this scripture, this book works for me. Just give it a read. Read this.

Nate Tanzman:

Yeah. Like, hey. Check this out. Again It's not about again. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

The the argument the argument that I always make is, can we argue that if you follow these rules, you would probably live a better life? Right? Even if you wanted to use it selfishly, if you read this stuff as affirmations, you would believe in yourself more.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

Do you see a man competent in his work? He will serve before kings. Can we not say that's a great affirmation to read?

Jacob Rhines:

How do you how do you get to the people? And I wonder if your answer has changed like what you would have said a couple years back. A lot of times, people even having these conversations or participating in these conversations. I mean, you probably notice it in your everyday life. I mean, really, anybody who is has, like, Christian conversations in public, spiritual conversations in public, if there's somebody who, like, they consider themselves an atheist or, like, God isn't their thing, like, they they cannot even like, it just seems so foreign what you're talking.

Jacob Rhines:

They can't contribute. It makes them uncomfortable. What what is your I like to try to speak to people like, hey. You think that this is something that only spiritual people talk about? You think that, like, the things we're talking about, the mental quarrels only has to do with, like, the bible and what Jesus did?

Jacob Rhines:

It's like, no, this stuff is is a diagram. It's a blueprint for a human experience. And it saddens me. I wonder how you think about it or, like, maybe how you would talk to them in these days. It saddens me when people are like, dude, get that shit away from me, and then they're still suffering.

Jacob Rhines:

They're still going digging antidepressants. They're still Exactly. Exactly. Achieve this will solve all your problems. That's not what I'm trying to say.

Nate Tanzman:

%.

Jacob Rhines:

This isn't just for religion.

Nate Tanzman:

And I

Jacob Rhines:

want Just for spirituality.

Nate Tanzman:

And I wanna be open and transparent saying, Jesus won't solve all your problems. That's that's that's a great way to start.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

Is no. Absolutely. Bro, I here's the thing. This is, this is what I love about this, bro, is I know people, and this is not a holier than thou statement. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Like, I'm not, oh, I'm better. I know people that have been in the church for ten, fifteen years longer than me, and the fruit that I see is is is so much sweeter because I believe so much more. Because I met God in the trenches. They met God because their parents told them to. K?

Nate Tanzman:

That's why I'm so passionate about this. Because when there was no one left, nothing left, and I was about to end it all, that's when this thing happens, and it, like, the light kicks on or something. Right? It's like the the and, again, there it is, Jake. The same mentality.

Nate Tanzman:

If I don't I'm the I'm the guy who used to be the guy. K. Are we drinking? Alright. Cool.

Nate Tanzman:

Well, let's block out this time because I'm gonna black out. Right? Like, oh, no. No. No.

Nate Tanzman:

No. We're just coming out for drinks. Alright. Cool. Call me when you guys are done.

Nate Tanzman:

We get back to the house because I'll be passed out. Right? The mentality has always been the same. I've always been extreme, and that is the best part about it is because I don't feel like you can properly squeeze the juice out of something unless you are extreme. So with that being said, the people that and this is not a direct answer to your question, but I'm trying to lay the foundation.

Nate Tanzman:

The people that are very, like, I don't believe in anything, that's totally fine. And, again, I I don't I truly don't care what people believe.

Jacob Rhines:

I'm not trying to force you to convert anybody either. I just

Nate Tanzman:

No. No. But, like, but, like, if you don't believe in anything, no kidding. You haven't exhausted anything yet. Go to the other side.

Nate Tanzman:

I challenge you. Go there. Go there. Go there. Go to the dark side.

Nate Tanzman:

See how you like it. Go there first. That's where I went. Right? But it's like, when you're in the middle, nothing you you can't believe because nothing has happened to make you believe.

Nate Tanzman:

Imagine you met the devil at his feet. You're gonna believe now? You see what I'm saying? So that's why I just always tell people whatever that is there, explore that thing. Very, very harsh reality.

Nate Tanzman:

I was in, like, a men's group of these guys, and they were talking about and we talked about this before, kinda like dabbling in porn. Right? And it's like, you know, yeah. It's just not that big of a deal. It's only a couple times a week.

Nate Tanzman:

I'm like, watch it for eight hours a day. You don't wanna kick the you don't wanna kick the habit because you your whole life and, again, this is like this this is where I'm gonna sound like a I'm trying not to, but this is where that, like, you know, the locker room talk comes in. Right? And and it's like, I'm not an I'm not a pre I'm a stunt rider. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

I'm not a preacher. I'm a stunt rider. But I'm also, this is what got me here. Right? This is what got me good on the bike.

Nate Tanzman:

This is what got me, you know, in the business and all these things is you're dabbling everywhere. Right? You're you dabble in the diet. That's why you're overweight. You dabble in the gym.

Nate Tanzman:

That's why you're out of shape. You're dabbling in your marriage. That's why your wife's unhappy. You're dabbling with your kids because that's why they don't listen to you. And it's not that they have to listen, but they they listen when they respect you.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? The kids don't listen to you. Every everything's half assed. So, of course, you don't need to kick this habit because you're half assed in this too. I didn't half ass it because I was watching porn all the time on the max on the way home from from Nike.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, my job literally is oh, just not even doing just watching it just for entertainment.

Jacob Rhines:

That's crazy, by the way. That's insane.

Nate Tanzman:

Fully submerged in it. But I only believe now in the light because I was fully submerged in the darkness, but I had to go there.

Jacob Rhines:

Right? I'm not not to anchor us just on

Nate Tanzman:

the porn fact, but you don't watch porn now. Right? Absolutely not. No. Bro, if I'm not if if I'm not bro, I mean, I'm fully, even times when my wife and I are still having sex, I still practice semen retention.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, so I I wanna point it out just because I'm sure there's tons of people. If somebody's listening right now and they are the person who's on the metro watching porn, they can't get enough of it. I mean, dude, how many posts on Reddit do you see nowadays of kids just like, I can't stop watching porn Help.

Nate Tanzman:

Yeah. And so it I wouldn't say that the pull was like that. Like, it was an addiction. I I would a % because I was with so many partners at that time that the pull to watch it on my screen was not an addiction, but it was just like sex is my life kind of.

Jacob Rhines:

You know what I mean?

Nate Tanzman:

And it was like, well, yeah, like, right after this, I'm going home to meet somebody and then later meet somebody else. And it's like, it was just so like, it was just like, it was just like our caffeine. Right? It's like, no. Do I need to get it right this second?

Nate Tanzman:

No. But, like, yeah, I'm we're going to the gas station in a half hour. You know what I mean? So it wasn't like I had this like, I wasn't addicted to porn, but sex was a huge part of my life. So it was like, oh, well, yeah, sex is happening, so let's watch it.

Nate Tanzman:

You know what I mean?

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. Yeah. I I get you. Well, so I I think I I try to see it nowadays kind of as like a

Nate Tanzman:

I I realize it didn't answer your question, but kind of what I would like to say within that before was, like, explore one of the two. Right? Because the more you stay in the middle and we know this, Jake. Right? It's like the cold plunge thing.

Nate Tanzman:

It's like if you put one foot in, you never really get in.

Jacob Rhines:

You know what I mean?

Nate Tanzman:

You get in the damn pit.

Jacob Rhines:

What do you

Nate Tanzman:

k. So if you don't wanna come here, check out the other side first, see what they have to offer. Right? And it's like one of those things where it's like you're an employer. You'll be like, hey.

Nate Tanzman:

Hey. You think you think the grass is greener? Go ahead and check it out. When we're ready, come back. We'll be here waiting for you.

Nate Tanzman:

Yeah. Right? That's kinda how I like to put it because, again, it makes me very, like, I don't wanna push this thing on you, but I know what it's like to be there. K? And also too, for anyone listening, I don't wanna I don't really push a religion.

Nate Tanzman:

So it's like I push having a relationship with reading this. Like, what does this mean to you when you when it hits your brain and when it hits your head and when it hits your lips? Like, what does it mean to your life when it comes out? Not like you need to be Christian. You need to be Catholic.

Nate Tanzman:

You need to be Muslim. You need to be this, this, this. Like, I don't subscribe to that. Right? I go to a Christian church, but I don't say, like, you need Christianity in your life.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, I don't I'm not that guy. Right? So I'm the guy that's like, read this book and whatever comes good out of here for you that you can take to benefit your life because I get a 10% say that your life will change for the better. See what happens. Well and

Jacob Rhines:

and it's kinda fascinating, like, the way that the scriptures are interpreted interpreted at different points in our lives. Like, so

Nate Tanzman:

they might some look at the scripture

Jacob Rhines:

that right now is profound to them, and then they read it five years. It's like, it's also profound, but it means something completely different. It's it's somehow with that stuff, there is a weird synchronistic nature of when you hear things, it kind of, like, wiggles its way around obstacles inside you and, like, penetrates where it's supposed to and gives you a little bit of help to continue on.

Nate Tanzman:

And that's how, like, I feel like all wisdom has been. Right? You're like it's like you read a book for the second time, and it was different than you read it the first time. You know what I mean? Mhmm.

Nate Tanzman:

I feel like same kind of idea. So, yeah, I I feel like that's the only way I feel like to answer your question without, like, you know, coming at people's necks. You know what I mean? It's like, yo. Just try.

Nate Tanzman:

Because at this point, I feel like the people that are that waffle, again, they're waffling everywhere. Right? It's like the same idea, like, the whole men's group thing we're talking about kinda like drinking. You know, and for for me, like, I haven't had a drop in alcohol in, like, I think almost nine years. I'm going on nine years.

Nate Tanzman:

No no, like, no sips. No, like, oh, this and that. No no nothing. And I, I just I say, I'm like, just do it. That's what we're called to do.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? Like, imagine fifty years ago, sixty years ago or whatever, and I'm not a history nut. Okay. I'm a stunt writer. These kids were lying about their age to storm on the beaches knowing their fate was to get shot in the head.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, that is the type of passion that we all carried not that long ago. And now it's like, we're just dull. Right? Right? Like, everything is just dull, and we're constantly being diminished by this on a daily basis.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? And you're just you're just pouring garbage into, again, what we're supposed to believe is the only true thing that matters here. Right? Like, on this earth, this is the most important thing that you possess, and you don't you fill it with garbage every single day. Not only do you fill it with garbage, you're supposed to move it, you don't.

Nate Tanzman:

You're supposed to fuel it, you don't. Right? Like, all these things. And I just feel like passion is the thing that people are like, god. This guy's nuts me.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? And it's like, that's what you're missing. Right? Like, the people that again, I've always dealt with this criticism of, like, you're so extreme. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Like, the food, the this, the that, and it's like it's actually passion. Right? Wouldn't it be awesome for you and your life? How much would your life change if you believed in something as much as I do? Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Like, even food. Bro, I get I get I will talk like this and how we're having this conversation about steak. Like, imagine all how, like, how much how much would this experience change for you if you were that passionate about everything that you thought about, that you loved, and that you did? Right? Now we can now we're just, like, getting into the worldly stuff.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, imagine how your everyday life would change if you're just so passionate about everything. Right? That's what's changed my life. I knew that a job was not for me. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

The traditional way that I was doing it. Right? I was a bartender that didn't drink. So I'm sitting here saying, I don't represent this. I don't believe in this, but here you go, pal.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? Same idea. I'm so passionate about this that I'm not I'd rather be broke. Here's a financial death. Here we go.

Nate Tanzman:

Same mentality. I'd rather be broke than do this. Right? So but what's the underlying part of it is finding the juice, bro, finding the gusto, lend the dog out. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Like, that's what I feel like I'm trying to represent is that everything that I believe to be true about this life or about how to live a good life or what I believe life's supposed to be, that people looked at me and be like, dude, that guy's a dog off the leash, bro. That's what I wanna represent.

Jacob Rhines:

You know you know what I think you did? You know, being a being a, you know, a self certified intense person, let's say. You know, you're an extreme person. I intense is a word I use for myself that's kinda the same thing.

Nate Tanzman:

Intense. Yeah.

Jacob Rhines:

But, and and there's nothing wrong with it. But so I I think what can happen is when we notice we are that, sometimes, like, we want to lessen ourselves or we want to kind of, like, put a shade or a blanket over our shining. And sometimes, I'm gonna relate this to chakras. I know I hope this isn't too big of a jump for people, but, like, when you're just thinking about busting a nut, eating the best, you know, most delicious taste bud appealing food, whatever, Like, you you see, you know, you everybody knows a basic level of chakras. You got your different colors.

Jacob Rhines:

Say you got seven of them. And each one, you know, is you know, your thoughts of the future, your ability to speak the truth, you know, your confidence is somewhere down here, whatever. I think a lot of times extreme people, when they're denying their purpose, when they're trying to shut up the nature the, you know, god's invitation to be as big as they should be, as expansive as they're capable of being, we kind of, like, shove and keep that energy inside. And I think sometimes it gets shoved into chakras of, like, sexual pleasure, of, wanting to just feel comfort. Like, the second we get hungry, we don't like that because it's trying to get us out of our comfort zone, so we just keep eating.

Jacob Rhines:

You know? We just get shoved into our lower, like, monkey mind chakras, and we have all this energy energy that's trying to go up to the other chakras and express itself and, like, change the world around us, like, change physical reality

Nate Tanzman:

through our action.

Jacob Rhines:

You know? Facts. But it's being just squeezed down here. And nowadays, we got our magic rectangle. You know?

Jacob Rhines:

And this thing is really good for keeping that energy right there.

Nate Tanzman:

It's a it's a black hole. Right? And a great thing to what you said, Victor Frankel Franco a man's He what's he say? A man who lacks purpose will seek Pleasure.

Jacob Rhines:

Pleasure. Comfort. K.

Nate Tanzman:

Let's just go to, like, worldly success. Right? Let's argue the idea of, like, the, you know, the intensity and, like, the guru. Right? What do they say?

Nate Tanzman:

Like, you gotta do this. You gotta do that. There's no other option. Like, all these, like, motivational speeches. Scripture literally says right?

Nate Tanzman:

So this is why I argue for the extremism, the passion, the intensity. Pro. Scripture literally says if your eye cause you to sin, gouge it out. Right? So it's like think remember, like, what what we used to do, like, you know, we gotta cut the dead weight.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, you know, like, whatever's holding us back, it's gotta go. Friends, family, everything's gotta go. Right? The food's gotta go. Like, the things gotta go.

Nate Tanzman:

You know what I mean? Like but it's like, it's do you see the alignment there? You know what I mean? Like, when you when you're broke and also too, when you're really in your lane and you're really in your bag, this just comes natural. You just start ignoring stuff on accident.

Nate Tanzman:

You know what I mean? You stop seeing things on, like, on on accident. For instance. Right? I believe people say the most important thing in this life is time.

Nate Tanzman:

We can argue that. I'd say it's perspective. And what do I mean by that? How two people can sit in the same exact room and experience two different things. The time is ticking.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? But the perspective may never change. Right? So imagine, like, you're like, oh my gosh. I really got eighty years here.

Nate Tanzman:

This is crazy. And the other person's like, man, oh my god. My eighty years is just, like, diminishing as we speak. You know what I mean? Who's gonna live a different life?

Nate Tanzman:

Right? Or for instance, you know, I'm sitting in the car with my dad the other day, and I was like, did you see that guy looking at me? Like, you know, whatever. And I'm like, I'm like or, like, you know, that guy's got a problem. And I'm like, I didn't see him.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, which guy? Dude. Like, this happens to me all day. So the so the glasses, right, the lenses in which you see things, Yeah. The most powerful thing that you can grasp onto in this life.

Nate Tanzman:

And then with that, let's be passionate about what lens you're putting on, bro. Wouldn't you again, would can't we just say that if you just woke up and you were as passionate about waiting until 2PM to eat a steak as me, like, bro, I'm so juiced to wait all day and then have it. I'm like, but this is the this is the act of gratitude, which is the actual key to raising the vibe. Right? Like, the highest form of energy is gratitude.

Nate Tanzman:

There is nothing in this moment that gets better than this. Tell me if you can have as many of those moments as possible even when there's pain. Right? Right? Dude, my son, you know, having a huge meltdown, tantrum, doing all this stuff.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? And it's just and it's just open the door. He's not ready. Open the door. He's not ready.

Nate Tanzman:

He's pounding on the door, all these things. And we sit down, and he breaks down, and we're there. And we're like, do you like, having this it's like, there is nothing in this moment that is better than this. Right? So how many of those moments can you collect?

Nate Tanzman:

What the but what I see is and it's and, again, broadening out the metaphor to, like, even worldly success. Right? And I wanna kinda connect world and spiritual is how often do we get to that pain, the tantrum. Right? The metaphorical tantrum.

Nate Tanzman:

Close the door. Let him cry it out. See you in an hour. We do that with the other things that we work on. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Close the door, whatever. I'll get on my phone. It can happen tomorrow. It can happen this day. It can happen that day.

Nate Tanzman:

Whatever. I'll put it off. I'll put it off. I'll put it off. And then we're lacking those moments of, right now, nothing is better than this because we have yet to, like, go through the fight that gets there.

Nate Tanzman:

And this is where I'm talking about how in the difficulty is where the winning actually happens, and that's where it is. And so, again, scripture said you will rejoice in your suffering. Right? So I just but the but the key to it is that it has to be seen through. So all these moments, like, bro, imagine the the people that look back and they go that and, you know, like marriage, they they look all the way down their life and they look back on everything they created, and we're like, damn.

Nate Tanzman:

Remember those times we almost threw in the towel? Like and here's all our grandkids. And we almost threw in the towel. We almost quit. There's nothing in this moment that is better than this.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? So I think that the biggest thing that has changed since we did the last podcast, and I feel like that's the subject we're on, is, like, almost like evolution, right, is my perspective on life has just immensely shifted. Right? And that is through and only through massive, massive, massive trial. Massive.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? I like to tell a story because I like to, again, give credit where credit is due. I quit my job, like, we were talking about before. I was miserable. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

And I have the the the receipts to back it up, that ever I was just miserable. I was just like again, Jake, I'm right here, bro. I am cleaning. I'm doing stain removal in car seats. I'm doing stain removal, in in, these dealerships.

Nate Tanzman:

And I look at myself and I say, if this is all that is in the plan, I'd rather die. Same mentality. Right? Get into a fight with Clyde's dad, who I was working for. Didn't go to work the next day.

Nate Tanzman:

I had $7 in my bank account. Okay. And I kept telling myself, you've done it your way for this long. Right? Let's try something else.

Nate Tanzman:

K? So if I believe in and again, this is where the thing that I said, hey. Maybe you don't believe, but let's just try. Right? Give this all you got and see what happens.

Nate Tanzman:

And and the and that's what it was. I gave it all I had. I don't have to believe myself. I have to believe in what's already written. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

I go to put gas in the car. I'm gonna put $10 in. Nope. Fill up. You ain't got to believe in you.

Nate Tanzman:

Believe in that. Right? Believe in what's already there. Believe in that. Believe in the words you read this morning.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? So this is the same ideas, which are, new age ways, which I I was a part of, my wife was a part of, and no offense to anybody that's there at all. It just didn't work for me at all. I was always seeking something else because it's like, oh, yeah. Who made these rocks?

Nate Tanzman:

Right? Like, you know, how did this stuff get here? Right? Like, even the creator created the man who created this idea. Like, you know what I mean?

Nate Tanzman:

So it's like, let me let me go all the way to the end. Right? Let me be nasty Nate. Right? Let me let me see if I can jump over my handlebars at seventy on the highway when there's two cars next to me.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? Let me do that with this. Yeah. K? And so, mixing that with Nasty Nate birthed the life that I live now, which is I make my own money.

Nate Tanzman:

I live by my own rules. I I own my time. If I don't wanna do something, I don't have to. Right? I've also changed again my perspective of Jake, that's the biggest thing is I've changed my perspective on I'm and this is where the scripture I was just reading the scripture with, and if anybody's interested, I do have run a men's group on Sundays, Sunday mornings at 6AM, PST.

Nate Tanzman:

Jake can link that. Yep. And I was reading scripture with my guys last week, and it says a scripture says that you cannot serve two masters. Right? And this is where people get caught up in, you know, money's evil.

Nate Tanzman:

Money's evil. No. Money's not evil. Money's evil when it's your master, which means you change who you are as a man for it. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

So if I'm gonna and this is why I I again, if you read these other books that say your gift will, you know, scriptures, your gift will make room for you. It's already done. It's already written. So if I think from that frame, right, if I was and this is, again, like, shifting from new age over to right here, people are, like, manifest it, you know, affirmations. It's it's it's, bro, if I'm I'm I'm this guy regardless of what's going on.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? So that changed so much for me that I actually people don't understand is when I was broke, I was slave to money. Right? Like, I didn't get out of $7 in my bank account, and and at that point, two dependents and a stay at home wife. And I didn't get out out of it to be financially independent, meaning I make my own money.

Nate Tanzman:

I'm not financially free. Like, oh, I don't have to work another day in my life. But being financially independent other than the fact that I said, if I'm constantly thinking about this all the time and it's eating me up and I can't sleep because my account's negative, money's my master.

Jacob Rhines:

Mhmm.

Nate Tanzman:

And imagine I'm mastered to something that another man is pressing a button and and and bringing to life. This is where most Christians and most people in general get caught up in the in in being slave to money. And, again, I'm not saying that I don't have to work another day in my life. What I'm saying is is I'm not going to let my life, which is my mood, my energy, the way that I operate, which I am the the head to the rest of my family. I'm gonna be swayed, and I'm gonna change my mood and change this and change that, and dad's day is ruined, which means everybody else's day is ruined.

Nate Tanzman:

That's how it goes because of a piece of paper. Mhmm. But because of that perspective and mindset shift, it birthed the business. Otherwise, that would've never happened. I would've went back to what I was doing and being slave to the dollar.

Nate Tanzman:

I gotta have it right this second. I gotta have it right this second. I need a paycheck now. Right? I I need to go they have it guaranteed for me.

Nate Tanzman:

Let let me no. I was changing who I was. Right? So what what what

Jacob Rhines:

is your psychology with money now? Like, what like, how do you like like, right now, how do you think of money compared to how you used to think of money?

Nate Tanzman:

I think of it as a tool. Right? I think it of it as now is what are my priorities? K? My priority used to be money, and crazy enough, I didn't have a lot of it.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? And I don't wanna make lessons about money. I wanna talk about my limiting beliefs that kept me where I was that with I feel like what we're talking about is evolution that was birthed through me coming to scripture. So it was which birthed worldly success for me. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Like, I'm at where people Right. You kinda see what I'm saying? So I'm trying to follow the narrative of I'm evolving because I'm following this. And Yeah. Here's all the trials I had.

Nate Tanzman:

Talked about suicide just so for anybody that's getting lost. Right? Talked about suicide. Talked about, like, the the mental health thing. Talked about the bike.

Nate Tanzman:

And now I feel like, the last piece of it was like, okay. Like, if you think you're him, then, like, go make your own money. You know what I mean? Like, because you know you want that. But, again, it was another thing.

Nate Tanzman:

I wasn't committed. Like, I'm doing gigs on the side here and there. It's fine. It's whatever. And it's like, I don't expect also to full transparency.

Nate Tanzman:

I don't expect anybody to one, I'm not selling anything. So, you know, I get a couple comments about that when I talk about money on my YouTube, on my YouTube videos. We're like, oh, you sound like a guru. And I'm like, dog, did you forget? I don't have anything for sale.

Nate Tanzman:

So for free.

Jacob Rhines:

You're welcome.

Nate Tanzman:

Yeah. And for two, if anything, these are the people that always have this, like, minimal perspective. I just told you I 10 x my income. You should be happy for me if you're watching my video.

Jacob Rhines:

Cool.

Nate Tanzman:

Yeah. Like, this this comment makes no sense. Right? Yeah. It's like, it really doesn't.

Nate Tanzman:

I'm like, bro, for one, I'm not selling anything. For two, if you're if you watch the whole damn thing, what I just said, you think I'm a guru dog. You should be happy for me. Like, what the hell?

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. It's it's weird to be jealous of a stranger succeeding.

Nate Tanzman:

Crazy, bro. And I just and I don't I'm not a successful person. Right? Like, I don't give credit to to I don't and this is not something I truly even care about, but I think the reason I talk about it is because it handcuffs so many people. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

We're handcuffed to the dollar. We're handcuffed to the currency. We're handcuffed to the the rat race, and it's like you don't even actually have to do it. No one says you have to. And I think a big when I was first building my business sorry.

Nate Tanzman:

My relationship with money, it's a tool. I see it as time. How now I'm not interested. I used to be interested in stuff because that's what we see as success. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

And this has been years. Like, I think it would probably say, like, when I was 21, 20 two, I'm like, oh, yeah. I want this car. I want that car. I want this.

Nate Tanzman:

I want that until I realized that you can buy your time instead. Right?

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

And that's and then now I realize, okay. If my son was the same age as my daughter, and this is the the thing that always gets me, it's always nothing is more important than this moment right now. When I throw my daughter in the air and I'm just, like, doing it and you know how, like, for like, when you have, like, a a pencil or a pen you like and you go to pick up another one, in that first moment, it's like, this is weird. Like right? I'll throw my daughter up in the air a couple minutes, and I'll go to pick up Jet.

Nate Tanzman:

And it's like, I go to use the same force, and the same force doesn't bring the same height, and his rib cage is wider. And I'm like, wow. Like, that was just you. And so that that can't be purchased. What is more important than that?

Nate Tanzman:

So when people say, you know, time freedom, all this, all that, it is so, again, intense and extreme and passionate that I'm not even buying my time. I'm buying the ability to be able to feel how wide my son's rib cage is today. That's how deep this shit is to me. Right? And you cannot have this type of depth unless you have been so low that you appreciate the that on that little on that little of a level that when I do business and I personally think family men are the best men to do business with, and this is why I take it so serious is because, yeah, you're doing business with me, but you're putting food in my kid's mouth.

Nate Tanzman:

So guess what? I'm gonna take care of you. Right? Mhmm. And not only am I gonna take care of you, I'm gonna take this business relationship serious.

Nate Tanzman:

K? So go ahead, Murrell.

Jacob Rhines:

I mean, I I just got excited. I I I just think it's like if you consider money as energy as well. You know? I I feel like I get to a point where I don't really want to be involved with the energy of dudes who are gonna, like, fuck someone else's wife. Like, I don't really wanna do like, even though it has nothing to do like, absolutely nothing to do with our transaction, if I know outside of has nothing to do with me that you are doing things that are it just starts to feel strange to me.

Jacob Rhines:

And maybe that stuff doesn't matter for everybody else, but I can't ignore when I feel it and I notice it. You know? And so I find myself wanting to distance myself from from those. But, yeah, I I just think money money has energy to, you know, accomplish and be present with where you're really at. That's a fucking way.

Nate Tanzman:

Uh-huh. %, Rowan. Yeah. And I, again, just going along with, like, how I changed my perspective. I had, like, a revelation where I mean, bro, things were bad.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? Like, things were were not doing I was not doing good financially. I was having a hard time getting clients for video, all this kind of stuff. And I remember the first month I made $4, which was $1,500 under what we needed for bills. And, and this was, like, two or three years ago.

Nate Tanzman:

I I can't remember. And I just remember my buddy saying that's how much money he makes a month. And I'm like, even though I feel and this is where you need these moments. K? So, like, anybody that's listening, think back on these moments where you can have these and this is why I feel like people waste this.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? We talk about before, we're talking about trauma and all these things and how we're just wallowing it. Oh, you don't use it. K? These moments are moments that need to be used and exhausted.

Nate Tanzman:

That for that $4, I worked a day and a half, but I couldn't get any other work. And for that $4, my friend worked twenty days. And in that moment, I was like, you've already beat the game, bro.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. You'll be losing. Yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

You just have to but the but, again, what it what happens when you are in a low vibrational state, you close yourself off the possibilities. Right? So what do you do? Oh my god. I only made $4.

Nate Tanzman:

I need $1,500 more to

Jacob Rhines:

pay my bills. I don't

Nate Tanzman:

know where I'm gonna get it from. I just I'm a piece of shit. My business doesn't work. Nobody wants to pay me. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

What am I doing? I'm I just was like, dog, I just made $4 a day and a half. Well, what's I that means I can make, in three days, which is what I used to work six. I can make $12. That means I'm, like, $12 a week.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, woah. Oh my god. I'm cooking now. Right? But it's like, you don't even think like that until you're out of that perspective and out of that state.

Nate Tanzman:

And scripture is what helped me change that. Right? A man a man's gift will make room for him. Like, okay. If I'm good at this, your clients are already there.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? Like, can I

Jacob Rhines:

ask you something? What do you think about Are

Nate Tanzman:

you gonna ask me whatever you want, bro? I'm talking way too much, bro.

Jacob Rhines:

No. Not at all, bro. I this is always how it is with you and I, man. We always go on fucking wonderful quest. But Yeah.

Jacob Rhines:

I started from my potty melt today too. I didn't intend to have that.

Nate Tanzman:

No worries about that.

Jacob Rhines:

Okay. So so I was gonna ask, something and I've been wanting to explore this. I've been kinda trying to write about it, but I think you'd be a good person to ask. The whole, like, law of attraction manifestation, this whole world, I mean, you've mentioned new age a couple times, it's, like, really prevalent in in that world. And I noted, like, when I first stumbled into it, there was, like, years of it being so fun, so magic, so great, and I'm so glad I did it.

Jacob Rhines:

But then after a while, I noticed that I would get to this spot where I would I would go, notice, oh, I'm thinking. I'm being negative. I'm thinking about the not the positive. And then that itself would go, oh, shit. Oh, stop thinking about the bad stuff.

Jacob Rhines:

Oh, no. And then you get in this, like, weird, like, where you basically start wallowing and you end up sitting on the ground in defeat because you're like, I'm just being negative. I've now just lost all my progress of positive thoughts, and I'm only attracting bad stuff to me. Basically, you become afraid of your own mind. Exactly.

Jacob Rhines:

What how do you what's your thoughts on that? How do we get out of that? How do we not

Nate Tanzman:

So, again, I'm not a preacher. I'm a stunt rider, so I don't have full understanding of scripture. But for what from what I understand, the enemy is defeated foe. K? Which means that if you believe in the light, then the actually like, the not that the darkness doesn't exist, but it does not have power.

Nate Tanzman:

K? So with that being said, like, my wife has experienced spiritual attacks. She's had, what is the thing where you're awake, but you can't move? What is that?

Jacob Rhines:

Like like lucid dreaming When

Nate Tanzman:

you wake sleep paralysis. Isn't it sleep paralysis? So she's had sleep paralysis before. I believe so. Yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

So she's had spiritual attacks before, and I have never experienced that ever. Like, I don't feel like, you know, something's in the house or this or bad energy or whatever. And and she was like, god. I wonder why. And I was like, honestly, I don't believe in that shit.

Nate Tanzman:

I really don't. I don't. It doesn't cross my mind what any way, shape, or form that do I believe that the enemy is a fallen angel? Yeah. Do I believe that there's people out here that are that are evil?

Nate Tanzman:

A %. But, like, do I believe that that has any effect on me whatsoever? No. Not at all. So, I think it is belief, Jake, but I think it's the belief in the right thing.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? So the way I look at it is and Christian men do this so much, and this bugs the shit out of me, bro. Bugs the shit out of me. These guys give the enemy so much credit, bro. Like, oh, the enemy is just really pulling me towards the porn.

Nate Tanzman:

The enemy is really attacking my finances. And it's like, why does he deserve that credit?

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. Unplug from that, dude.

Nate Tanzman:

You're you're getting his energy. Ex exactly. So it's like and, again, the scripture says, you cannot serve two masters. So in that moment, you yours Georgi Shanko said this on a podcast one time. He said, you're in that moment when you think, like I was just explaining, you're serving the devil.

Nate Tanzman:

Is that something you wanna do? Nah. Let me just change the channel. Right? So it's like, it's all the same ideas, bro.

Nate Tanzman:

It just the credit has to just be given in the correct place. And check this out. Again, why do most people, when they do this manifesting affirmations, let me get to where I wanna go. Why is there always, like I I do a lot of video stuff for guys in the day trading industry, and they're always changing cars, changing watches, changing this, changing that, new house, new this, new that. What if that's not your grand purpose, my guy?

Nate Tanzman:

And that's why it's so fleeting. And that's why no matter what you're driving, it doesn't it doesn't change how you feel because guess what? You brought it upon yourself. But one thing I do believe is that those powers do exist. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

I believe in energy. K? I believe that all these things that we talk about do exist, but it's like, be careful what you ask for kinda thing. You know what I mean? I believe in all that.

Nate Tanzman:

I believe that you can get what you want. I I'm in full belief of that. But what I know is that I already experienced that, and I asked for those things. I asked for the bike, and I asked for the cloud, and I asked for the helmets, and I asked for all this bullshit. And and and it it it wasn't until again, I had kids that I was like, there is nothing in this moment that is better than this.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? And so I got what I asked for, and then I got what was truly meant for me. And what was truly meant for me was to be a and then I was like, okay. So I wanna know what that purpose is. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Not what I have believed to make of my own purpose. You know what I mean? Because I bro, it can happen. I've seen it, like I said. But why is it that these men that do scripture, and I mean really do do scripture.

Nate Tanzman:

There's this dude, Philip Anthony Mitchell, who's just a dog, bro. He was an ex drug dealer, and he is just a dog for scripture. And he just has the and it's saying it's like ET, but, like, on steroids were like and, like, he's calling out the truth. Like, he's reading stuff that other preachers shy away from because it's like, oh, I don't wanna upset people on the gram and on YouTube, and I don't we don't wanna get people out of the doors that don't wanna do tithing anymore. He's reading the truth.

Nate Tanzman:

And within that, it is just the most powerful and beautiful thing. But, I mean, bro, why is it that these guys have some like, you see him have so much fulfillment? He I I remember a story. He was on a mission trip, and he had a revelation. Ever since he came back, he's never worn a color.

Nate Tanzman:

He wears all black. He doesn't wanna draw attention to himself. He calls it a uniform. He's like, this is my uniform. This is why I believe I'm not supposed to draw attention to myself.

Nate Tanzman:

I'm supposed to show up. This is a job for me. Right? But it's like, why do those men feel so like, they seem so fulfilled, but all these dudes with the this and the that and the flashy and the colors and the pink shirts and and this has nothing to do with fashion. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

No. But it's like but when you're, like, doing this thing to stand out or to be me or to people better know me when I pull up and all this, like, why is those things why does it seem like those things are always changing? Right? And, like, being like, well, duh, bro, you just bought the other car, like, last week. Like, it's just like, what?

Nate Tanzman:

Like, what the hell? Like, I thought you like and it's like, you were doing that, and now you're doing this. And it's like because they're trying to find something, a foundation to stand on, and all the foundations that they're building on are are not solid. But then you see the men that do have those things, but they're rooted in in something solid. They don't stand on that.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? Like, bro, I I I heard a ET thing he said one time. He said, why you don't think I don't post none of my cars? You don't think I have a Rolls Royce? He said, because I don't want people to go to the dealership when they need to go to the Bible.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah, dude. Well well, I mean, how much does our culture mess up with trying to we put all of our energy into the image of success instead of, like, learning what success could really mean for us as an individual. I mean, as you you mentioned the fashion thing, it's it's I can relate with that, man. I think when when I was, you know, at my most hurt inside, I was trying to be the loudest outside with my fashion.

Nate Tanzman:

You were doing the most shit. The hair and the this and the thing and the glasses and the piercings and the this and yeah.

Jacob Rhines:

I I don't want attention. I even I mean I mean, if people listening might remember, I made, I'd like a little, like, an accidental clothing line for a few months. I made these You Matter, hoodies. They have the suicide number on the back. And my perception of even that is completely different.

Jacob Rhines:

Like, I wouldn't even wear that now because I didn't realize it back then. I was

Jacob Rhines:

trying to make a statement about myself or the person who wants to wear it.

Jacob Rhines:

Like, I support suicide rather than, like, really dealing with what's going on inside to where I don't have to run around wearing a shirt. Like, ask me about suicide. I'll teach you everything. I'm a pastor about it. Facts.

Jacob Rhines:

And instead Yeah.

Jacob Rhines:

I can just heal from

Jacob Rhines:

those things, have my real experience. And then you know what? Sometimes, once in a while, every six months, three months, whatever, I'm at work having a convo with a young guy, 22 years

Jacob Rhines:

old, and he's doing exactly what I went through.

Jacob Rhines:

And I didn't need to wear

Jacob Rhines:

a hoodie saying ask me about it. I would just showed up, you know, as president

Nate Tanzman:

of my life. And those and then this is what scripture says. That's a divine appointment. Right? Like, it's like those you're supposed to be right where you're supposed to be.

Nate Tanzman:

But, no, I love that, bro. But, honestly, I really love the idea of mixing cultured people with this because we're the guys that could connect with people. Right? Mhmm. Like, there's I feel like a lot of preachers have a hard time connecting with the younger generation because all these guys knows that they've been a preacher their whole life.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? Yeah. It's like, but where are the guys like me, right, that have been encapsulated in sin and just have been in the deepest depths of sex and just all these types of things and then going there's a there's a quote that says that that god doesn't call the qualified. He qualifies the called. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

And it's like, the fact that you're a disaster

Jacob Rhines:

I love that.

Nate Tanzman:

The fact that you're the fact that you're a disaster actually means you're called. Right? Because it's this is we are more related. This is psychological from a from a positive standpoint and a negative standpoint. If you, hire a guy at a Ferrari dealership, you say, hey, dude.

Nate Tanzman:

I'm gonna give you this key to this car. You can drive it, and you can drive it. It's yours if you sell this many x cars a month. And if you don't, I'm gonna take it away. He sells those cars.

Nate Tanzman:

If you hire him and you say, hey. If you sell this many cars, I'm gonna give you this car. He may hit it. He may not. But I guarantee once he's driving that thing, he will hold on to it.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? And so, we are more connected, and we dive more towards pain. Right? Because that would be something taken away from me, and that's considered pain. What I'm getting at is psychologically, we communicate better through pain.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? The guys that that, like, make it financially, they there's this mutual respect there because they're like, oh, I know what I went through. Like and he went and he went like, he that means he went through that too. Right? And that's where you see the camaraderie within that.

Nate Tanzman:

You're like, wow. Rich people always hang out with with each other. It's like, bro, it's it's a camaraderie there because it's like, you don't know what it's like to build something like this. Right?

Jacob Rhines:

About military people going through the same stuff.

Nate Tanzman:

So it's the same thing with kinda what I'm saying is that's why I love being in this position because when I'm like, oh, man. I know I know where you are. Like and when I speak, people are like, god. I feel that. Like, now I'm connected to you.

Nate Tanzman:

Think about it. You listen to people you respect. Right? You're like, yeah. You've been a preacher your whole life, bro.

Nate Tanzman:

Come on. Like, nobody wants to hear all that, but it's like, oh, Nate was I remember when he was at the thing. I remember he's at the l at the the LCC party, and and he was breaking the bottles over the thing because his his ex girlfriend is making out with some some dude and he cheated on her, but now she's with somebody else, but he's pissed off for some reason drunk breaking bottles.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. That same guy.

Nate Tanzman:

Him. Yeah. He was doing yeah. That same guy. Yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

Now he wants to talk about this. Yeah. Like or, like, bro, I mean, being as good as I am on the bike, like, it's automatic respect. These people I have these people's respect. So it's like, yeah, maybe if Joe Schmo that's not good, they don't wanna hear what he has to say.

Nate Tanzman:

But 90% of people don't care about what I'm talking about now, but the 10%, Jesus says, I'll leave the 99 to save the one. Right? So if I can get 1%, if I can get one person broke, think about that. Branch out. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

That's why parenting is so important to me and why I'm telling I'm trying to tell people, especially parents, there's nothing more important in this life you'll do than to be a parent. Think of the branch out that happens. My son, k, I'm having a lot of kids, bro. I don't know why my wife thinks about that, but I'm having a lot of kids. Yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

Let me know. Three. We have she she says four. She says she's fine with four. I I would like far more than five.

Nate Tanzman:

K? But think about that. K? Think about how should I just impact my son and I just give him everything he needs to go out and just face these battles and to live a good life and to be a good man, then he has five kids, hopefully. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Then my daughter has five kids, hopefully. Then my other daughter has five kids, hopefully. And then they go out and they'd be like me, and they wanna be like, you know what? I was I'm a I'm a little shy to talk about this because it's not my normal MO, and it's mostly like, yeah, nasty nay save the day, but this is what actually changed my life, and I wanna share it with you. Imagine my 25 this the the little little minions go out and do that, and then how many lives they change.

Nate Tanzman:

Yeah. K? So this is what the meaning of life is. We just have got it confused.

Jacob Rhines:

Mhmm. Mhmm. Well, you, have you heard of Ken Wilbur? He's like a spiritual he writes, like, integral theory.

Nate Tanzman:

I don't know.

Jacob Rhines:

He's he's a strange he he's like a bald dude. He wears a wig nowadays. He's like he's it's funny to say it. But, anyway, he, he talks about, you know, in spiritual awakening, there is, like, this spiritual evolution that becomes apparent. Like, you wake up to whatever your version of your spiritual awakening is.

Jacob Rhines:

Some people, their spiritual awakening is just like, holy shit. The government, like, gave me a name when I was, like, this isn't my name. I was given this name. The government owns it. Literally.

Jacob Rhines:

Like, sometimes it's just that level. But any sort of awakening, especially spiritual awakening, it seem it's become so apparent. Oh, yeah. Evolution is happening, and I had to become aware of those things that I was unconscious to. Of course, I'm I'm developing.

Jacob Rhines:

I'm growing. When I'm 60 years old, I'm gonna be a wholly different person. Right? But, along with that awakening, something that Ken Wilber points out that is just so juicy to me is spiritual maturing, spiritual growing up. Like, is this something that we actually have to put effort into?

Jacob Rhines:

It's like, you know Yeah. As as guys, we come a certain age. You know, you get 14, 15, whatever. You hit puberty. Your body just does this, and then you're along for the ride and your personality changes.

Jacob Rhines:

Right?

Nate Tanzman:

I think I've heard this. Yeah.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. Yeah. But there's universe does this. It's like without like, and then you gotta change yourself to, like, you you

Nate Tanzman:

just Biology. Yeah. Yeah. All these things. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

It's Biology is the automatic. Yeah.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. But there's also So in just We could freaking become blind and, like, turn an eye turn turn a blind eye to the fact that we actually have to insert a a a growing up, a maturing of our spiritual selves too. And that doesn't just happen. Our society doesn't have, like, rituals and traditions that really allow that to happen. So if we never assert

Nate Tanzman:

our over that

Jacob Rhines:

40 over it, we might be 48 years old, and we're still crying about the like, when that guy took away our yellow kickball in when we were 13.

Nate Tanzman:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jacob Rhines:

So there's a

Nate Tanzman:

there's a a %, bro. Yeah. There's a scripture that says, how long it says this is the translation I have is the new English, like, new NLT, which is, like, the very, very, very, like, English version of it. But in mine, it says, use simpletons. How long will you be simple?

Nate Tanzman:

And it's like, that's how I look at, like, the way that we're living now. Right? This life is about depth, bro. Like I said, when I think about money, I don't think about money, bro. I don't think about stuff.

Nate Tanzman:

I think about if I make enough, I can buy the the time to feel my son's rib cage, bro. Like and I think and I think and people will be like and people that are sleeping will be like, this guy is a is a psychopath. This guy is nuts. This guy is off his rocker. He needs meds.

Nate Tanzman:

He needs help. Guess what? I already took them. They didn't work. Okay.

Nate Tanzman:

He this is the level of depth that you that you gotta grasp to be able to, like, really unlock what this life is, bro. And it truly is just about giving everything for something. Right? And I think that's where the happy men, quote, unquote, happy. That's where the happy men are, is fighting for a cause.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? And that's why I was talking about the war, you know, 50 ago. These kids were like, bro, these kids know as soon as I jump off this boat, I'm getting shot in the head. They were they were doing it anyways.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

And and the craziest part is is, again, how much new age has changed. It was for no glory. Nobody knew who these guys were. They didn't get martyred. They didn't go in the paper.

Nate Tanzman:

Sure. There was, like, a big ass list of all these kids that that risked their life, but but it was like they weren't heroes. They were doing what they were supposed to do. We need, especially as men, is to get back to doing what we're supposed to do. K?

Nate Tanzman:

I I sent this, this is for my men's group, a group, a message in the chat the other day. Most of the stuff that we're supposed to do, we will never receive credit for. But that's what you're supposed to do. Right? It's like planting a tree.

Nate Tanzman:

You'll probably never see that tree ever reach its full potential, and that's the same idea I'm talking about with being a man, being a father, and raising children is to bury and plant fruit that you never ever see. Mhmm. Mhmm. And then instill in your son to do the same thing, and that's how you create strong generations. And I'm gonna tell you exactly why I believe that right now, more than ever, this is the most important thing that any father, any man can be doing is investing not into his career, but into his family, into his children.

Nate Tanzman:

And if you have a son, investing in your son. Because I'm telling you, with AI and all the bullshit that's going on right now, this world as generations gonna go on is gonna get harder and harder and harder to navigate mentally and spiritually. If you are not raising dogs, your lineage is doomed. I'm telling you that right now. I'm calling my shot.

Nate Tanzman:

It's twenty January twenty fifth twenty twenty five. If you are not raising warriors in your homes, sons, and daughters that on that have discernment of I'm not doing this. I'm not doing that. I'm not going there. I'm not putting myself on the Internet to do this or do that.

Nate Tanzman:

Your lineage is doomed. I'm saying that right now. AI is is AI is literally a two day old baby, and it's already the scariest shit I've ever seen in my life.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. Pretty much every day it advances at a a way that we couldn't fathom the week before.

Nate Tanzman:

I saw something the other day that said that AI is already done with us. Like, people think like, oh, this is so dangerous. AI is learning from us. No. AI is already done learning from us.

Nate Tanzman:

It's been done learning from us from the first couple months. It's it already gathered everything that it needed from all humans. Now it's building upon its own thing. So, again, we are headed to what I see towards Wall E. You remember

Jacob Rhines:

Wall E? I love Wall E. Yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

K. So EVA. That movie that movie, that's where we're headed. So, again, if you don't wanna get swallowed up, if you don't wanna see your generations get swallowed up, you need to be raising dogs.

Jacob Rhines:

Well, I mean, it's actually interesting to think. I think you are touching on a vibration that is, present in the culture. I think, the last few months, we've seen a lot more, like, dudes less afraid to say things out loud, more, like, encouraging each other, like, stand up, you know, don't like, nobody's come to save you. That that whole thing has seemed like the last few months. Like, people are really unafraid of that, and I think it's important.

Jacob Rhines:

I think it's useful. And I think, like, the bottom line is our young men fucking need people to look up to. So it's like, %. What do you what do you do? And, you

Nate Tanzman:

know, like Yeah. And real quick, before you skip that, I wanna touch on that because there is a very fine line, and this is where, like you said, there's been a big thing of men standing up to do this. If you are involved in this stuff on the Internet, you need to have discernment. Why? Because I saw one of the biggest men's pages that I've ever seen, and every single piece of content that goes viral is about being a sad boy.

Nate Tanzman:

No one cares about us. No one cares about our feelings. And these are the most viral posts. And on top of that, this guy's selling something. On top of that Mhmm.

Nate Tanzman:

So he's doing sad boy shit, going viral, and then selling something. This does not serve you. No. This does not serve you. This keeps you exactly where you are.

Nate Tanzman:

Guess what we're gonna do? We're all gonna get together. We're all gonna talk about how hard it is, and that's where we're gonna stay. Guess what? Find our identity there.

Nate Tanzman:

Thank you. K? So a lot of as much as you believe that some of this the again, there goes the pain. What did I say? It's relative.

Nate Tanzman:

We relate to it because of the pain. But what is the after? Right? It's exactly what I was saying before. Most people don't see progress in life because they stop at the pain.

Nate Tanzman:

Here, man, yeah, I love this dude's page, bro. He's always posting these videos. It's like, dude, there was this guy that I even bought his sweatshirt I had to unfollow him because everything about was that it's so hard not to be an alcoholic. I messaged him. I'm like, you gotta stop being a pussy, bro.

Nate Tanzman:

Like, you you either want this or you want that. You either wanna be a stand up guy and be a good dad, and this is it, bro. I firmly believe you can change your life in an instant. Imagine bro, this is everything is metaphorical. It's so beautiful.

Nate Tanzman:

K? Imagine for anybody, and I have not yet. I need to be baptized. We believe as Christians, when you get baptized, you get dipped in the water, you get pulled up, you're fully renewed. Everything is renewed.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? If I'm created in God's image, which scripture says so, why can I not snap my fingers, close my eyes, open them, and I'm a completely new person? Why is that not possible? This thing here's your affirmations. This thing no longer has a hold of me.

Nate Tanzman:

K. If most of the time, a lot of our actions don't align with what we say we want. Right? So if I say, I wanna be a good dad. I wanna be this.

Nate Tanzman:

I wanna be that. I wanna blah blah blah blah. Why am I fighting this thing? And then I realize I'm like, oh, you're selling sweatshirts. Oh, these videos go viral.

Nate Tanzman:

Oh, and it's like this corny ass shit. Like, oh, I really wanna tell my wife how I'm doing, but and just pulls a like, this white mask over his face. Better walk out the door. It's like that stop washing this content. This does not serve you.

Nate Tanzman:

Okay? Again, most people cannot be honest enough with themselves or even wanna hear me say this because you probably bought his sweatshirt that watched the chain. Do I believe that he probably had good intentions starting out? Absolutely. Because that spoke to somebody, and they maybe got it together, but this continuous over and over and over and over again.

Nate Tanzman:

Guess what? I was reading the same scripture the other day, and scripture says oh, man. I'm so sorry. Gotta pull it up. God blesses those whose whose hearts are pure.

Nate Tanzman:

K? So what I wanted to say with that is people believe that our actions are what's on trial. No. Your heart is on trial. And guess what?

Nate Tanzman:

Nobody can see that but you. Right? Mhmm. So even if the intention and, again, this is for men. Have discernment.

Nate Tanzman:

Even if the intention with whatever this guy had going on started out good, hey. I'm dealing with this. I wanna share it. I'm getting through it. But then all of a sudden, when you start to see this trend, oh, weird.

Nate Tanzman:

There's there's oh, oh, he's got it. Oh, he's got some stuff for sale. Weird. Oh, all these sad boy videos go viral. Oh, weird.

Nate Tanzman:

There all of a sudden, he stopped posting his progress, and he's replaying the most viral videos, and he's recording them in a different way. Where's the progress, my guy? But guess what? Most people, the sheep, the 99%, they don't wanna see progress. They wanna see somebody where they're at, which means it's what, Jake?

Nate Tanzman:

Relatable. You know? You see the chain here? So I pray that that man has a clean heart. That's what I pray for.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? So that is another one of my focuses because I realize I'm raising my children here. I'm doing this. I'm doing good. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

But it's like, but where is my heart at? And I think that if this is where the true success actually lies is knowing even though I'm doing good actions. Right? Even though I'm giving money to people on the street, nobody knows that. Bible says I'm not supposed to tell anybody I'm doing that.

Nate Tanzman:

Bible says I'm not supposed to put that on the Internet. Right? What is the intention? Did you give the money away because you thought it was a good idea? But, yeah, yeah, why do why do we record it?

Nate Tanzman:

Why do we have to do that? So the action is in the right, but that's the actions are not being judged. The heart is being judged. Right? So that that was just a metaphor of I'm trying to do everything even in my good deeds as I raise my son and my daughter and my other daughter, and I'd be a good husband to my wife.

Nate Tanzman:

Lord, help me do that. Be a good husband to my wife that I'm not doing this for my own thing. Like, look at me. Look what I've done with my kids. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

But this can only happen, and my friends will tell you, Brandon will tell you, I am the most self accountable person ever. Even when things are going right, I'm like, what am I doing wrong here?

Jacob Rhines:

Right.

Nate Tanzman:

Like and so most people would look at even Brandon. You're like, god. Why are you so hard on yourself? I'm like, because I just know accountability is the way. Like and, again, extreme, intense accountability.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? I don't want people to look at me and go, oh, yeah. Your kids are this and your kid are that. And we go, yeah. Well, that's why I'm doing it.

Nate Tanzman:

No. I want my heart to be pure. So then when this branch out happens, it happens in good faith. Right? It doesn't happen because it was a show.

Jacob Rhines:

You know what I mean? Mhmm. Mhmm. Well, do you okay. So what if I think that people I kinda already said it earlier, but, like, people put their energy into their image so much.

Jacob Rhines:

And I've been there. You've been there. How do we how do we notice when we're doing that? How do we notice when we're, like it's it's kinda that same

Nate Tanzman:

little structure. Accountability, bro. Well, have have you ever seen what we're doing? Like,

Jacob Rhines:

I feel like I'm gonna use females just because I feel like they're an easy low hanging fruit example. Like, you know, teenagers of, like, like, a drunk girl being recorded on, you know, her party street or whatever, like like the situation. Like, suddenly, they are a person, they're an expression of who they are, and then suddenly, they realize someone's recording them. And a different version, a different person comes online. A different person shows up.

Jacob Rhines:

And and all of us have that just as humans. Like, you know, back in the day, there was radio voice and did, like, ladies and gentlemen, what? But, like, if I started doing that shit to you right now, you'd be like, what are you like, that's weird. So there is a level of, like, when you are aware that the camera's on

Jacob Rhines:

you, you have an image that is going

Jacob Rhines:

to be long lasting. You have an awareness of it.

Jacob Rhines:

But I think a lot of people think that that's fucking them.

Nate Tanzman:

I I think So I love where you're going with this. I love where you're going with this. Go ahead.

Jacob Rhines:

So how do we realize when we're fooling ourselves into putting our energy into our image instead of our image is an afterthought of something people can judge us for later if they want, but we did the work. Then they talk about, who cares what the image is? It's an afterthought.

Nate Tanzman:

Yeah. So, Jake, I I'm still on the same idea that everything I don't know if I'm gonna explain this right, but all the things that are supposed to happen okay. Well, I don't know how I've been explaining this whole entire journey of, like, the it's the same thing. Right? The same vibe or whatever.

Nate Tanzman:

When the camera's on you, I like that. I act like that all the time. Why? Because what I want somebody to see this? That is how you can hold accountability.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? So check this out. Here's a metaphor. I I literally live my life in metaphor. K?

Nate Tanzman:

Because if I don't, I I there is no anymore for me in this moment back up against the wall. I don't have that, but I need that for my for my male spirit. I need that. Right? So imagine this.

Nate Tanzman:

Imagine I'm a guy. It's an inspirational guy on Instagram. I go it's 6AM. I go to the track. I take a little video of my feet running, and then I stop and get in the car.

Nate Tanzman:

But there's a camera on me. K? If my heart is pure, I don't need the camera on me. But if my heart is pure, I'm putting in that mile. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

I'm not doing the oh, cool. Alright. Cool. Cool. Alright.

Nate Tanzman:

Cool. Let's get in the car. K? Use that thing that you just said, use that. I I the other, was, like, a couple months ago.

Nate Tanzman:

My son, Jett, was and and we're waffling with this. Right? We're the first generation that is of gentle parenting of, right, this whole new idea that people got going on and all this kind of stuff. We're waffling with ideas from scripture, modern ways of parent. We're we're getting our footing.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? And, for the first four years now, we have not spanked one of our children. I wanna find a different way to do it. I'm also not opposed to it at the same time. Why, Jake?

Nate Tanzman:

Because when we go out as men and we do dumb shit, we get smacked in the mouth. Right? Let's be honest. Right? But I I like, so where I'm getting at with that is the other day, my son was a little rough with my daughter, and I grabbed him by the arm.

Nate Tanzman:

And I remember grabbing him pretty hard. And, again, here's the accountability, and here's the pure heart. Most other people would have been, like, totally justified. Not a big deal, bro. Like, you didn't even hurt him.

Nate Tanzman:

You you just yanked him over. But in that moment, I felt anger. That's not okay. So if I had a camera on me, would I want somebody to see that? No.

Nate Tanzman:

I wouldn't. So that thing that you just said can actually be used as a beautiful thing to actually guide your life and help you. Is how would I want people to see me? How would I how would I want this story to to go? How would I want this movie to play out?

Nate Tanzman:

Right? I always say, make the decision that tells the best story. Right? So in this moment, this guy, imagine, you know, we're working in a movie. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

I said this in my my speech a couple years ago.

Jacob Rhines:

You get all the way

Nate Tanzman:

up to the to the part where it's like, oh, here we go. Is here's me. Right? Is the guy gonna quit the job? He hates it.

Nate Tanzman:

He's miserable. Dude, we're building a fantastic story here. Right? And then he quits his job, and then he retreats and goes back to a different job. No one's reading that, bro.

Nate Tanzman:

No one's gonna read that. Not only is no one gonna read that or watch that, I wanna inspire my son. Right? I want him to be like, what did you do in this situation? My one of my biggest fears is saying, I don't know.

Nate Tanzman:

I don't know what you should do. I don't know. Never been there. Never tried that. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Again, I feel like and the only and everything in life is a gamble, bro. Right? Because if I go and do all these things and exhaust myself in every area to gain this wisdom and help guide him, we could argue that he does no self discovery, and he could end up being soft. That is a risk. But at the same time, if I do well enough, he will also take the the pattern of doing the same exact thing for his own life than to pass it on to his son.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? So that's that's kinda where I'm at with it. But with this whole idea that you're talking about of how do we switch that, I think you literally using you set the stage for for, like, the cameras on you for a perfect answer, bro. Like, the camera's on you. How do you wanna be seen?

Nate Tanzman:

Like, Like, think about it. We do so many things. I always say people got full closets and empty fridges.

Jacob Rhines:

You

Nate Tanzman:

care how you you care how you seen, but think about what's actually most important. You're not you know what I mean?

Jacob Rhines:

People got a

Nate Tanzman:

closet full full of Jordans, and they have orange juice and rock star in the fridge, and that's it.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. Yeah. It it makes me think of those videos sometimes. I'll get fed videos of, and and I I've gotta realize it's because I'm spending time watching them, so they're feeding them to me. But, like, people go in to get their nails done, and they're just like, I don't got any money, though.

Nate Tanzman:

Yeah. Literally.

Jacob Rhines:

Like, what do you what are you doing at the nail salon? Are you out of your fucking mind? But, like, in that moment, you could hear them. Like, the like, the person doing their nails records, and you could hear that person. And, hey, for all I know, it's probably, like, a skit just to get Of course.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. Whatever it could be. But, they're they're not taking accountability. They're like, well, so I don't have the money. What are you gonna do?

Jacob Rhines:

Like, there's just this constant, like, not taking accountability for the situation they're in. And, I just think, like, the more you bury yourself underneath that, the harder and harder it is to to get out from underneath it, dude. It's like stop putting your energy into things that don't serve you. Like, serving the image of you is not the same thing as serving you. But, I do like what you said.

Nate Tanzman:

Exactly but that right there Yeah. Run that back, like, because that's exactly it. And, also, too, I think, again, if you're not awake, you don't understand that that story you just used is not a story about finances.

Jacob Rhines:

No. It's not. No, dude.

Nate Tanzman:

It's about what the actions that you take that show, atomic habits. Every action you take is a vote for the person you wanna be. Yeah. Think that's extremely and, again, correlate that to what we were just talking about with the movie thing. K?

Nate Tanzman:

What like, if if if I if this is a bottle, right, if this is booze and I raise this, what action what does this say? Right? People are you're not we're not thinking like that. Mhmm. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

Mhmm. If I if I if I, you know, if I'm faithful, but I'm looking at girls on Instagram, what does that action say?

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? This and and, again, it only happens with extreme accountability. That is the only thing that's worked for me. Right? I had a big ego before I had my business, but I had no business.

Jacob Rhines:

For the

Nate Tanzman:

What am I doing wrong? What am I doing wrong? I know I'm good at my skill set, but I have no business. What am I doing wrong? But for the longest time, it wasn't my fault.

Nate Tanzman:

It was that they were cheap or they couldn't afford me or they didn't wanna pay this or they didn't wanna pay that or they're stupid because they don't wanna use me. They didn't wanna use somebody else. Guess who was losing the entire time? Me. I was the one losing.

Nate Tanzman:

They weren't losing. They were getting their videos done. Those clients were getting their videos done by somebody else. So that's the only thing that helped me make progress was extreme accountability. So now I am overly accountable for every situ even when things are good.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? Through and here's an extreme situation. Three months ago, I had the biggest month I ever had in my life, financially. And as sweet as it was, I sat down and I asked god, if this is not the motion that you intend for me to have, please remove it from my life. And that next month, I lost both of my biggest clients.

Jacob Rhines:

Jeez. I don't have an I don't

Nate Tanzman:

have an issue with that. Why? Because I asked for it. Right? And I asked for it with good intention.

Nate Tanzman:

K? So it's just so deep, bro. It's so deep. And and I I don't wanna ramble, and I don't wanna talk so much about myself. But I I think that the only way to truly go, hey.

Nate Tanzman:

You should try this is to say, this is where I was. This is how I was feeling. This is kinda where I'm at now, and this was the the this bridged the gap. You know what I mean? So Mhmm.

Nate Tanzman:

I hope that we did a good job of that. I I really do. But, yeah, I I don't know. I mean,

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. I I I think it comes through, man. I think, I mean, like you said before multiple times, you know, I'm I'm not I'm not a pastor. I'm a stunt rider. You know?

Jacob Rhines:

I'm I'm just a freaking DJ who enjoys podcasting, and

Nate Tanzman:

I like doing the poetry

Jacob Rhines:

and stuff. And I I think about myself a lot. And, I noticed that that's selfish, and so I try to take, okay, I think about myself a lot. How can I take what I've learned about myself, my own life lessons, and repackage them in my rambling to other people and maybe positively impact someone else? So I think be being upfront with it and, you know, it's it's also pretty easy.

Jacob Rhines:

Like, neither of us are selling anything. I don't have a sales funnel for you to go down. If I did, I'd tell you about it, like, link below, but I don't have one. So Yeah. Yeah.

Jacob Rhines:

Facts. Yeah. I I I I think that does come through, man. I think just I I I contemplate the podcast space a lot because I go through multiple months sometimes where I'm like, man, podcast like, grown 30 year old men podcasting is somehow cringe as all heck sometimes. And then

Nate Tanzman:

and then I'll go through, like,

Jacob Rhines:

the next month, and I'll be listening to my like, listen to other people on podcast, and I'll be so freaking inspired. And they say the right thing at the right time. And I'm like, oh, yeah. Like, yeah, it could be cheesy, but it's good intention, and that comes through. You know?

Jacob Rhines:

I mean,

Nate Tanzman:

bro, I I don't even look at it like that. I really look at it as just like two dudes sitting down and having a conversation. And it I I think the only time it's cringy, bro, I really do, is when there's no value. I I really do. And that's why I tried my absolute best in here, and I hope anybody that listens to it hurt my heart that I try to leave with value here because that's when it is.

Nate Tanzman:

It's like when you're just talking about very, surface level substance type of things. Obviously, if you're on a financial podcast, you're gonna talk about money. Right? If you're on a sales podcast, you're gonna talk about sales, but you're in the, quote, unquote, mental health space. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

So I feel like, again, if we're just on here talking about our problems with no solution or how do we how do we not how do we work through this or, you know, challenging some narratives for people to open their perspective, I feel like you've done your job, and it's not, corny.

Jacob Rhines:

You know

Nate Tanzman:

what I mean?

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. I think you said that nicely. I think that's true. I think, yeah, yeah, and that's what the podcast has turned into me is I I show up and I I I think

Nate Tanzman:

if you're just selling I think if you're quote, unquote selling air, like, we're just talking nonsense Yeah. Then, yeah, you're probably on the path of, like, being corny. You know what I mean? But I don't think you do that, bro.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. Like, I don't have a I I I'm not fooled to think that I'm, like, that interesting, that I can just go and ramble, and it's actually important. Like, I, you know, I try to share things that I'm learning about and try to pull this out of other people that are sitting across from me. So

Nate Tanzman:

Facts.

Jacob Rhines:

I think you did good, man. Dude, it was it was good to catch up, bro.

Nate Tanzman:

I think Yeah. No kidding, bro. We we don't have a lot to say, bro. I always have a lot to say, but

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah.

Nate Tanzman:

I'm never a man short for words, bro. I'm never a man short for words.

Jacob Rhines:

Well, good thing because, I I work in the world of microphones. So, you know, I'm not talking. It's it's good to good to have a have such a a a good voice and a positive influence for people and and be able to kinda send that megaphone out to people who will listen and, you know, maybe they'll come out a better version of themselves after they listen to our rambling and

Nate Tanzman:

Appreciate it, bro. I appreciate you having me on, bro.

Jacob Rhines:

Yeah. Alright, brother. Well, hey, all the love. We'll be in touch, bro. And, listeners, take care of yourselves.

Jacob Rhines:

You know the deal. Have you stressed today? Have you drank some water? Yeah. Where where's your gratitude?

Jacob Rhines:

Nate, I'm gonna let you physical activity. Yes, please. For the love of gosh, get your body moving. I don't know if you got if you got a scripture or anything that you wanna leave us with, but I have the intuition to have you guide us out, my friend. Oh, man.

Jacob Rhines:

Okay.

Nate Tanzman:

Wow, bro. So, jeez, this man put me on, on the spot right here. I wanna talk to I feel like, kind of that whole thing. I just maybe round out a little bit of what we talked about. Men have really been on my heart lately because I feel like the world asks so much of men.

Nate Tanzman:

Right? You need to be this. You need to be that. You need to be doing this. Not only is it asked, it's actually expected.

Nate Tanzman:

And if it's not expected, you know, you're you're less than. Right? And I want to let every man know, especially my my guys that are fathers, gonna be fathers, husbands, all these things that there is everyone's in a different place in their journey. And when I say that, I mean that very, very deeply as far as even in their lineage. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

There is problems that have been neglected by men before you that need to be stalled. If you do not solve them, they will be passed on and passed on and passed on. Right? So sometimes other men have been put in position for them to grab the lit torch and run it straight into millions. Right?

Nate Tanzman:

And then there's other guys that don't even know where the torch is or the torch is wet or there's no lighter, and they got and they're doing all these things. And they spend years and years and years of this life trying to even get the torch lit, and then guess what? Then they go and pass it on to their son who then goes and runs it up. Right? And so if you are a man in this life, if you never make a million dollars, if you never dream that have that dream house or that thing, if the last thing that you ever do and the only thing in this physical life that you hang your hat on is that you led your family down the narrow path and that you were the first people in your generation to break all these things and go to the way, the truth, and the light, you have succeeded.

Nate Tanzman:

And that's what I feel like has been on my heart a lot is because we're so worried about the external things. We're not understanding that if we neglect to even get the foundation built, nothing will stand after you go. And guess what? Then you have no control of it once you're gone.

Jacob Rhines:

Bravo, man. Beautifully said. Thank you for that.

Nate Tanzman:

Appreciate it, bro. Alright, Nate. I'll talk to

Jacob Rhines:

you soon, man. All the love.

Nate Tanzman:

Yeah, man. I I got appreciate it, bro.

Jacob Rhines:

Going on just to keep you on the hook. It was so great to talk to you, man. I'll I'll be in touch. Peace out, everybody.

Nate Tanzman:

Cheers, man, everyone. See you. Thanks, guys.

Jacob Rhines:

Knowledge is power.

Nate Tanzman:

Reality is.