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Join us and special guests to discuss all things close to our hearts.
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Preston
I don't know whether this is going to be controversial for you, for you, but for me, it feels a little controversial.
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Linda
Oh, it is controversial. Inside it is episode seven.
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Preston
Yeah. We appreciate everybody that, it's been with us since the beginning that I need cameras. Stuck with us. Yeah. We're still excited to sit in the yard with it. I think. But, I just thought today. And if if we could and I. Yeah, you can let me know if you feel that is not appropriate to talk about, but shows that there's been a lot going on in the news of light around, this policy around immigration.
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Preston
Yes. And, I don't I don't know what it is like, to be honest. I don't know too much about, the policy when it comes to immigration. I know, when it comes to migrants, particularly here in Australia, they've played a, a certain role, played a big part in, in the construction of, of this country for a long time.
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Preston
I just thought I'd be good to get your thoughts on it, because I just feel, I don't I, I know your your seem a similar way. When when it comes to things outside of their own little worlds, we can. We can feel a certain energy. Yes. I just wanted to. To get your your thoughts or feelings on on what that might be.
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Preston
Look what that look like. It seems like there's a lot of controversy and a lot of good. A lot, a lot of bad. However you want to say it, but probably for for me just to help me understand. I guess. Why it's important that we continue to, uplift each other and, and, and be encouraging. If we want to be able to move forward as a, as a country.
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Preston
Yeah.
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Linda
So for me, it's actually, it's like another wave of, negativity for our country, and I don't feel like we're maturing. I feel like we're creating.
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Preston
More.
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Linda
Division and hate, and that scares me. Like, you know, coming out of your referendums and the constant, discussions around Australia Day, the national anthem, the latest election, like, it's all just layers upon layers of division and layers upon layers of negativity. And I believe it's built on those foundations of power and ego. Divide and conquer. Like you've got to conquer.
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Linda
To be rulers and majority and have we not learned by now that that's not doing us any good, like a ride around the world? That's not doing us any good. At all. That through true unity. Reciprocity and respect. We could be so much richer. And it just seems logical to me that.
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Linda
Surely, as human nature, you would gravitate more to that. But it feels like we're gravitating more to the negative and the judgmental and having to bully and, crucify people all the time. Or is that just from the media? Is that just what's being driven by the media? Because I would really love to and I really love to connect with the love in human beings.
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Linda
And I can't bring myself to think that as human beings that the majority of us are going to be about division rather than connection. So it's that ongoing, kinda uneasy feeling for me. It's like, okay, here's the next wave. Now.
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Linda
Yeah.
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Preston
So that's that's the antidote.
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Linda
What's the antidote?
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Preston
Yeah. Know what you're talking about? More connection rather than division. Yeah. What does that look like? In a practical sense, what does that look like?
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Linda
Yeah. I think, as a society, why are we not more accepting? Why are we not more supportive? Why is there always winners and losers? But. And it's great to have winners absolutely work out. And you want to be a winner. But why can't we all celebrate the winners? Why can't we, feel the win with those winners rather than feel like we've got to pull people down in that?
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Linda
I just feel like it's just the division. I think it's just a division. And I feel like the lack of respect for each other as human beings, let alone the disconnection to then our mother, our country.
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Preston
Our.
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Linda
Environment and everything around us. And that that really worries me.
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Preston
And it's not. It's not just because they're immigrants either. I'm not talking about people that actually when, you know, born in Australia and have a lot of history in Australia, generational, history, still, still seem to struggle to connect in a certain way.
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Linda
And I think and I, I don't understand because I don't I actually on purpose, don't watch the news.
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Preston
Yeah.
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Linda
Because I feel it's one side and it's very negative, but I just actually don't understand. I don't know whether you saw. Now we talking controversially, but, the reaction from Bob Katter when a reporter asked him about his heritage from another country and he was really offended by that.
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Preston
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Linda
And I'm not sure why. Does it doesn't. Did he feel degraded by a person to think that of the truth of his history or. Because I'm proud of my history. I'm connected to my history. My history is what's made me now. And it's a strength in my history that I'm so proud of. And I think everyone should be even, you know, whether it's a good or a bad history.
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Linda
It's it's it's part of the truth of who you are. And I think you need to take the you need to hold that in pride.
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Linda
To where you are today because of that.
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Preston
Yeah, it was an interesting one. I do, you know.
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Linda
Understand the reaction.
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Preston
When I, when I Bob Katter, if you saw the early more I've seen him in, in interviews. He's pretty passionate. You know and you love you love always. His approach is really forward you know. And he's honest about his feelings and you know and his thoughts. I know is that there are difference. And I know I might not make any sense but was he being more defensive than he was offensive?
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Linda
Yeah. I'm not sure.
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Preston
And, you know.
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Linda
I go into it more deeply than that.
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Preston
Because.
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Linda
It did strike me as.
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Preston
Being for most people, it was like, it was like he was, what's the word I'm looking for?
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Preston
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Preston
I mean, I think that.
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Linda
I felt like he felt ashamed of.
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Preston
Themselves that. Well, a lot of people took it that way, that he was ashamed. But, maybe he wasn't.
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Linda
Maybe it was another reason.
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Preston
There was another reason for it. But, you know, we we just be speaking like. Any any Bob Katter would know that. But it's, conversations like this that bring about situations like, like the one we see with Bob Katter and then, the gentleman from, from New Zealand who had organized the, the group to, to march in, in in Melbourne.
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Preston
Yes. Situation like that occurred. You know, you say you talk about divisiveness there seems like there's plenty of it and it brings about so much confusion. And then you talk about media, it brings about so much confusion. And I think that's why I ask the question because I'm I'm confused. I live in a country that, has given me so much, and I'm just wondering why it's in the situation it is now.
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Preston
Or maybe it's always been in the situation. I've just never seen it before. And I, I guess I only ask because I've been asked plenty of questions in, in, in the last couple of weeks. I say yeah about what's my thoughts on it or you know, I don't really have any thoughts because I just, I don't understand it enough to have to, to have, an opinion of it.
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Preston
And, and even if I did I probably wouldn't put it across. And because it is, it's just a really, really scary space at the moment.
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Linda
I find it interesting how. It's almost like the tables are turned where.
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Linda
People with a history of 200 years are so protective of that history and connection to Australia, but then completely disregard the connection that, Aboriginal people have of thousands of years. And to me, that's like a common kind of thread, like, wouldn't you be able to connect on that? Like you're proud, you know, that your, history here within Australia is 200 plus years that you're proud of, and you have that connection then wouldn't you then at least understand slightly, then, how we feel when it's thousands and thousands of years of connection?
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Linda
And yet there's that backlash of.
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Preston
Let's.
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Linda
Totally disregard 65,000 plus years connection because it's insignificant.
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Linda
Is how it feels.
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Preston
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Linda
Where it's a shared history. It's a proud history. It's a thriving. It's grown adaptive. And we're a lucky country.
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Linda
From the outside looking in.
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Linda
I guess I just kind of wish that Australians would see Australia from how the rest of the world sees Australia, because it's a different picture.
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Preston
Well, even in I think we've spoken about it before, the Australians that are living within Australia, within the communities, suburbs, the towns, and those families that are in the cities, suburbs and towns. Even their perspective is very, very different. We could be living in the same house and have a different perspective from the person that, lives in the room next to you.
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Preston
Yes. You know, and that's that's something that we speak about a lot. And the importance of perspective, to see, what it looks like from another. Another view from another point of view and actually understand that, brings about, well, potentially brings about sympathy and, and empathy. And that's something that we're missing a lot of is why in.
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Linda
Australia that.
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Preston
Why I.
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Linda
Feel like are we threatened by that? Are we so scared to see someone else's point of view?
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Preston
Oh yeah, we're scared because in the truth will come out. Yeah, the truth will come out and we'll have to make changes. I we all know that changes need to be made. Yeah, but people are scared of change. Yeah. They're scared of change because some people just benefit my benefit from what's happening right now. Yeah. You know, people like the status quo, and that's why.
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Preston
That's why they don't, want to see the the point of view from somebody else. Because when this isn't the this isn't fine. Yeah. Why should they care? And again, it's important to have that perspective is to look past, you know, what you what you have and what you're doing in order to understand what somebody else is going through.
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Preston
And and again, that's is something that we're missing a lot of sympathy and empathy. And that's why perspective is important because
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Preston
Now it envy I think plays a big big part in it all. You know I would say is a brother or sister or somebody over there doing really well and you're like oh I wish I could have that.
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Linda
Yeah.
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Preston
I wish I could have that. And then we, we start to lose respect for those people because we, we don't have what they, they have, you know, and.
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Linda
That's we also I think they've got this or you know, we look at them like they've got an easy.
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Preston
Life. Yeah.
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Linda
And we don't see their struggles.
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Preston
Yeah.
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Linda
Well we know that everyone has struggles.
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Preston
Course.
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Linda
But if we see people as being successful and you know, living the dream, we don't see the struggles soon we choose not to see their struggles. And I think, you know, if we, Could truly share with people. Yes. There's discomfort, but, gee, there's a lot of growth as well. I love hearing other people's stories. I think every individual, whether you're an immigrant, whether you're, even brothers or sisters or close relations, everyone has a unique story.
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Linda
Every single human being has a unique story.
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Linda
And that's magic when you can delve into that. Oh, that that person feels.
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Linda
Trust in sharing their story. Support and owning their story and acceptance in accepting their story for themselves. Because we often put so much pressure on people that they can't even accept themselves.
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Preston
Yeah. And and again, they see themselves in a certain way. Yeah. Maybe it's because people have seen them that way as well. They just betraying the person that, they believe to be.
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Preston
And again, it's making is important, even from, you know, your own personal perception of yourself. Yeah. And that's something that's come up a fair bit I think. Not just with this, immigration. There's talk of immigration, but just in general. Yeah. I just recently somebody asked me about how we, how we combat envy.
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Preston
You know, and I never really thought about it because it's not something that. Well, I struggle with. I just mentioned.
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Preston
Being happy. Being happy for what you have, you know, gratitude is something that I try to practice a lot of, even though maybe just a little. You know, and I that's something that helps and, and just be happy for the person that's successful or doing well for themselves you know. That's something that I think is really, really important.
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Preston
You know in the beginning maybe you need to fake it, but sometimes you get to fake it before and to be able to make it, you know, and, so being happy for what you have and, and if you want more or if you need more, fun ways of getting that. But if someone is getting it already, be happy for them.
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Preston
Yeah. Share it and knit. Share it. And it's something that, again we we come from this, this negative space. Yes. You know, when we have something to cheer, it's not always positive. The way we talk to each other. What can we flip that, be more uplifting and be more encouraging? Say, yeah. Well done. You know that that was great.
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Preston
And it even if you disagree with somebody, well, you don't like what they don't. We can we can still do it in a way that's appropriate, that's non-confrontational.
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Linda
And maybe in your mind, rather than thinking that's wrong. Think I don't understand.
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Preston
Yeah.
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Linda
Because it's all about an understanding. And it's this hierarchy Gunung, where, you know, is it that we think immigrants are lower on the totem pole, that they don't part of the hierarchy is that part of that mentality.
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Preston
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Linda
And if we can even just look at everyone as truly equal in the same as you.
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Preston
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Linda
No matter how much you earn what position you hold, all of that. Just treat everyone as that individual who has a great story, who has a point of view, who has actually something magical within them to share with this world. If we allowed it and supported it.
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Preston
This I mean, a lot of people out, they think exactly the same way, you know?
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Linda
Yeah, I hope so.
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Preston
You know, but their voices aren't being heard. No. Maybe because they're just not saying anything. And that's that's one thing. I mean, people who have something to say are the ones that are loudest in the room, and they're the ones being heard. Whether it makes sense or not.
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Linda
Yeah. Don't know how to listen.
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Preston
And. Well, that's the thing. In the early days, I spoke about, having the right to to say something. And that's something that we have in this country. We have the right to say what we want to say. Yeah. And what we what we believe in. But we also have a right to remain silent. Yeah. You know, and that is ones that usually have the right to remain silent and remain silent.
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Preston
Usually, some of the most powerful things this year. Yeah.
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Linda
I love drawing out, ideas and conversations from the quietest people in the room, because I'm more than often with people.
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Preston
Me over.
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Linda
Because they're the ones that are actually sitting there and thinking deeply and actually really listening to what's happening and taking it all in. And often profoundly will come up with the most amazing ideas, feedback, thoughts, but don't feel they have the support or confidence to share that voice because you're being drowned out by the strongest team.
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Linda
We need strong people, but our strong people also need to listen. You need to listen as much as you are being heard.
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Preston
Well, that's part of being a good leader is is being that there?
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Linda
I argue that maybe those skills need to be developed.
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Preston
Yeah, that's. Well, perspective. Empathy. Listening. You know? You know, it all connects. You know, and maybe if we just, I don't know, sit down and be. I'll have more of these constant, sorry, concentrated conversations. Oh, no. No. Concentrate. Let's get it isolated. That just focus on one, one area that needs to be discussed about, you know, and you talk about media and it's one thing that I realized,
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Preston
They take sides. Yes. Not something I actually I actually looked at. Yeah. I've heard it a lot. I've heard a lot about it, but I didn't actually understand what that meant. Yeah. But, you know, in the election this recently, whether it be in America or even Australia. I'm in America, here in Australia. It's just so one sided.
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Preston
Yes. And it's like they make it obvious, but yet we still tend to listen to it. Like, I listen to the news to test myself. Basically, like I read, I read papers, I still read newspapers.
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Linda
Do they? Can you still get a big type of form?
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Preston
I still I still read newspapers and I listen to news. Just to just to see how it makes me feel. Yeah. And and then be aware of how I react or what my response is.
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Linda
So you test yourself. I test this.
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Preston
Myself. Yeah. And am I angry? Yeah. You know, and what's sad? Whatever feeling comes up.
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Linda
So what? My question to you is then what is the main feeling that you feel in that? If you're testing yourself? Because I know how I feel, but for you, what are the main feelings in that come up?
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Preston
Well, that is that is sad. Mad upset. It's. I do it because it helps me. It helps me trying. Understand?
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Linda
Yeah.
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Preston
You know, maybe what I do before I get angry, I have to understand why this person, try and understand why this person not make excuses or come up with reasons, but understand why they've said something or they've done something. So that. So that I can get to a point where I don't feel as angry anymore and there's a reason why this person is doing it.
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Preston
Yeah. And what I mean, come to my own conclusions. Yeah. I think sometimes. I don't I don't manage my feelings as well if I come up on conclusions. Yeah. But if you sat and just listen, and not and not not have a judgment. I went from when I first read it because usually, you know, then the on the track, over time, you're able to find it, you know, it's not as serious as as as I thought.
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Preston
But,
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Linda
And you're only getting the information that they want you to hear.
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Preston
Yeah. And that's what I'm talking about with, with media. So we, we listen to them. But there's other what they call them independent media. Yes. Yeah. So that sort of story is great, but then it seems like there's so many different, different media platforms out there. It's weird when the easiest thing for any of us to do can do is just go and sit and have a conversation, whether it's whether it's forums, whether it's like you and I, I have a cup of tea in groups, whatever.
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Preston
We don't do enough sitting down and actually talking. We hear it. We hear from, from or we read it from the paper.
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Linda
Experts.
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Preston
And or you call an expert, but we don't do enough of it. Yeah. We don't do enough of sitting down and actually having people talk to us and and. Yeah, and do it in a way that that's a, that's a priority not to because we want to get a point. But I want to get our point across. But they need to actually listen to come away with something something learned.
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Preston
You know people are just stuck. They're stuck in what they understand the world to be. Yes. And what. And again they might they might not be stuck. They might just be happy with it because they benefit from it.
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Linda
Or is it that you're just that busy. That's all you've got capacity for.
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Preston
Well, that's just the guy.
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Linda
With the fly. Yeah. There was, one thing that I learned at university that has always stuck with me, and I guess I try to adapt it and use it in terms of everyday life. And that is how to prove the most effective way to prove a theory is to try and disprove it.
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Preston
Yeah. Please explain.
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Linda
Yeah. So if you try, because often, you know, when you have a theory, what do you do? You get all the data that backs it up to make your argument stronger.
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Preston
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Linda
But to have it really.
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Preston
True.
00;28;14;14 - 00;28;52;29
Linda
And I guess authentic. You look at disproving it because then you're looking deeper, you're looking at how to disprove something. To make sure that it is true. So I kind of think of that is always just stuck with me in my I learned something. I retired something, that whenever I adapt that in terms of whenever I feel like I've got a judgment on anything, whether it's a person or a topic or an incident, I think, well, how do I disprove that?
00;28;53;06 - 00;29;04;16
Linda
How do I look at it from another angle that is completely opposite to what I'm thinking or feeling, to try and then get deeper into the truth.
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Preston
And understand.
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Linda
That and understand understand more. Because it's so easy, and I think it's human nature that if you automatically feel you want to go in a certain direction or form a certain opinion, you'll get all the evidence and attractive. It's like, you know, when you see people that have disagreements, often what happens is those people will then try and get all their mates to agree with them and back them up to a prove that prove their point, rather than maybe looking at the person who's disagreeing with you and looking deeper at what that disagreements about.
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Linda
It's always, I gonna I'm right, and I've got to get my army behind me to back me up to prove that I am right.
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Preston
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Linda
Rather than looking at oh well, well let's look at what I think I'm wrong and why are they coming at me for those reasons. Like put yourself in their shoes rather than feeling lucky. You've got a gang up and have more numbers on your side to back yourself up against. Maybe that one person or that small group. And if they're not confident, what often happens, they'll just be like, oh, this is too hard.
00;30;31;27 - 00;31;07;23
Linda
I'm out of here. Like, I'll just walk away from this. So all it's really done is bullying. You've ganged up, bullied you and I, rather than truly looked at disproving to prove and get deep and get that holistic view. Oh yeah. Whenever I feel. Especially if I'm feeling strongly like like if I'm getting a real, strong reaction is is usually my trigger to go, okay, time to disprove this.
00;31;07;24 - 00;31;19;12
Linda
Like, I'm feeling this way for a certain reason and to turn that around, I've got to then look at the other side of it. But that's a trigger for me. Like, that's something I.
00;31;19;14 - 00;31;20;04
Preston
What if will.
00;31;20;04 - 00;31;30;02
Linda
Often work for myself. I'm having a strong reaction. I'll fight myself on it. Otherwise I get real caught. I'm caught. Especially. What a.
00;31;30;02 - 00;31;51;02
Preston
Good night. Yeah, no, I know, I know, it's it's. And what what if what if, what comes up in your research actually disproves what they're saying, but they're still not going to. They're still not going to move.
00;31;51;05 - 00;31;51;25
Linda
So.
00;31;51;27 - 00;31;53;21
Preston
In that, because it does happen.
00;31;53;27 - 00;32;12;28
Linda
Yes. Absolutely. Then in those circumstances, I just have to say to myself, especially if you're trying to have a two way argument with a one way person. I just have to.
00;32;13;00 - 00;32;28;10
Linda
Come to the realization that they're actually not ready yet, and they're not ready to have that, two way conversation. And it's not that they're wrong, it's just that they're in a different part of the journey than you are.
00;32;28;11 - 00;32;29;19
Preston
00;32;29;22 - 00;32;52;02
Linda
And you need to allow them to have that because it's not me to say look you're not looking at it both ways. Because some people are very one sided. They don't want to hear your opinion and don't want to hear another opinion, you know, at all. And it's not my job. It's my job to force that down their throat to have to see both sides.
00;32;52;04 - 00;32;58;22
Linda
If they're not ready to, then you've got to accept they're on their journey.
00;32;58;24 - 00;33;26;04
Linda
And you've got to allow them and just be there because it might be, you know, ten years down the track or something, and they'll come back and go, oh, do you remember when? And you go, okay, so you're actually ready now to have that two way conversation. Here I am. It's not for me to go. Yeah. Well, I tried to tell you ten years ago and you didn't want to listen.
00;33;26;07 - 00;33;27;10
Linda
You don't get it anyway.
00;33;27;10 - 00;33;27;21
Preston
Yeah.
00;33;27;26 - 00;33;52;08
Linda
And it's hard. It's hard. Especially when it might be something as clear as. And you can see the division and you can see the pain and, hurt, especially across many people. It's pretty hard to actually accept that.
00;33;52;10 - 00;34;03;10
Linda
They're just not at that stage to have that interaction or develop that relationship with you.
00;34;03;12 - 00;34;18;23
Preston
What if one of the people were talking about this and I'm talking about is the leader of that country, or not the leader of that country, but a leader in in any country, in any capacity? Yeah.
00;34;18;26 - 00;34;26;24
Linda
And we have that a lot with our, politicians.
00;34;26;26 - 00;34;43;19
Linda
They may have been voted in by a majority, but there's also a significant amount of people that don't agree or feel like they are represented by that leader.
00;34;43;22 - 00;34;48;27
Preston
It's not just politics either. I mean, we talk about community level. Yeah. Well.
00;34;48;29 - 00;34;54;16
Linda
I think that was just kind of the most obvious. Yeah. You will love was the.
00;34;54;19 - 00;35;08;09
Preston
But maybe that's a big part of the reason why we're in this situation is because people can't they just can't move. Yeah. They they can't change or adjust their view.
00;35;08;11 - 00;35;15;05
Preston
You know and and even though they got so many people in is saying this is this, this is that they still.
00;35;15;07 - 00;35;16;01
Linda
Should be.
00;35;16;03 - 00;35;17;05
Preston
The.
00;35;17;08 - 00;35;18;19
Linda
By people that you love.
00;35;18;25 - 00;35;19;19
Preston
Yeah.
00;35;19;21 - 00;35;42;26
Linda
Because we follow the people that we love and respect and often it can be easier like we trust to like we trust the people that we love and respect. And maybe that's for us to challenge as well that, you know, I look deeper in that because you might have a different view.
00;35;42;28 - 00;35;47;27
Linda
And and that's okay.
00;35;47;29 - 00;36;04;18
Linda
Or often I'll have, you know, the same belief, the same end goal. But to get there is very different views and I'll disagree with how to get there.
00;36;04;20 - 00;36;07;28
Preston
00;36;08;00 - 00;36;19;22
Preston
Well it's it's just an interesting space. Yeah. And again it's kind of just become apparent to me what, what kind of country that we're living in.
00;36;19;24 - 00;36;28;24
Linda
We're such a young country. Like where a baby country. Yeah. Sorry. We're a baby colonized country.
00;36;28;26 - 00;36;30;24
Preston
00;36;30;26 - 00;36;46;09
Linda
Where the oldest living culture and the greatest connection around the world. But in terms of a colonized country where just a baby.
00;36;46;11 - 00;36;46;28
Preston
00;36;47;01 - 00;36;54;23
Linda
And to have these kind of issues already.
00;36;54;25 - 00;37;03;16
Linda
It's pretty scary.
00;37;03;18 - 00;37;26;11
Linda
Where where's the threat. Where, where's the why is it such a why is immigration such a threat back. I don't understand either. But why is immigration such a threat.
00;37;26;13 - 00;37;36;26
Preston
You know I don't know. I mean, people obviously problem with it, some people support it.
00;37;36;29 - 00;37;42;13
Linda
Who not so long ago were immigrants themselves. Yeah, only a couple of generations ago.
00;37;42;15 - 00;37;45;14
Preston
Yeah.
00;37;45;17 - 00;38;05;10
Preston
Yeah. And it's it's an interesting space and I'm sure there's research that's going in and I you just to you and I just to people having a chat about it. Yeah. You know, and yeah. Like I said, I was just more interested in, in it because it's had me feeling as it. And why there's so much division.
00;38;05;10 - 00;38;23;08
Preston
You mentioned that. Yes. Yeah. And all the marches that the happening in that would continue to, to happen. The value that they bring. Whether there's any value at all. I don't know that now, I've never been on a march before, I'll be honest.
00;38;23;11 - 00;38;24;11
Linda
I've been on a few.
00;38;24;13 - 00;38;39;03
Preston
Yeah, yeah. But it's, it's an interesting time for the country right now, you know. Not and again, I guess why I brought it up because.
00;38;39;05 - 00;39;05;22
Preston
It has been interesting just sitting back and and looking at all the, the stories, you know, listening to the stories, looking at all the all the, well, the way people have been reacting or responding to certain certain situations. It's it's been very, very interesting in that, well, I was compelled to ask the question today. Did I I'm sure yeah.
00;39;05;27 - 00;39;28;14
Preston
Many people watching or listening that, that feel the same way as me. I like I'm, I'm still young generally that young but I'm in my 40s, I'll just say I'm in my 40s and I like I've been really lucky to understand that. As you get older it's important to continue to learn.
00;39;28;16 - 00;39;30;26
Linda
But how rich is it to learn from it.
00;39;30;26 - 00;39;54;10
Preston
Yes. Yeah, yeah. And that's what I was. I still that's what I was going to say. Like, you know, just to understand how similar we are to that's that's what I look for. Yeah. Firstly that's what I look for, how similar we are. And then, then you look at some of the stuff that, that, that other cultures might do a little bit differently.
00;39;54;10 - 00;40;22;02
Preston
And it's like, well, yeah, you know, there's you, there's such an appreciation, you know, but the thing that makes makes me feel really good is how similar we are and the reasons why we do things. Yeah. You know, and that's, that's with, with all people. Yeah. That I come across, you know, fun, fun a lot of things that were similar that were similar.
00;40;22;04 - 00;40;29;12
Preston
We have similar interests. We do things a certain way because we want to get these this outcome, meaningful.
00;40;29;12 - 00;40;30;12
Linda
Connection.
00;40;30;14 - 00;40;33;29
Preston
And the need for connection chips. Yeah, that.
00;40;33;29 - 00;40;36;01
Linda
Might take different forms, but.
00;40;36;04 - 00;40;37;26
Preston
Yeah.
00;40;37;29 - 00;40;46;00
Linda
We still strive for them. I think for me, it's the richness in the difference.
00;40;46;02 - 00;40;46;10
Preston
Yeah.
00;40;46;15 - 00;41;00;24
Linda
Yeah, yeah. As well, like I just, I love to see and feel and hear and taste and, experience,
00;41;00;27 - 00;41;04;05
Linda
The journey of difference when others share that with you.
00;41;04;07 - 00;41;05;00
Preston
Or even take.
00;41;05;00 - 00;41;05;16
Linda
Right.
00;41;05;18 - 00;41;09;00
Preston
Even take on some of what they practice. Yes. What they believe.
00;41;09;00 - 00;41;09;17
Linda
Is share.
00;41;09;17 - 00;41;34;18
Preston
It. Yeah, yeah yeah. And most, most, most peoples are happy to share. They just need to be able to have that, that space to allow them to do that. And people just want to be acknowledged. They want to be known. And most, most cultures are happy to share that culture.
00;41;34;20 - 00;41;35;23
Preston
00;41;35;25 - 00;41;58;07
Linda
It. Yeah. And it's a strength though isn't it. It's when When you see and feel people that connect to their cultures or beliefs, there's a real power in that.
00;41;58;09 - 00;42;06;23
Linda
That you almost see people grow.
00;42;06;26 - 00;42;27;00
Preston
Is yeah. No I agree, you can you can tell when you're talking to them, when that, when you allow them to share that culture that they, they, they glowing. Yeah. They're happy happy to share. But they, they so much like they're happy to be who they are.
00;42;27;05 - 00;42;27;24
Linda
Yes.
00;42;27;25 - 00;42;29;16
Preston
Yeah.
00;42;29;18 - 00;42;32;02
Linda
Back to that acceptance I.
00;42;32;05 - 00;42;39;00
Preston
Yeah. All this all this year was about acceptance. Hey you guys. Yeah we know what we're talking about.
00;42;39;00 - 00;42;41;07
Linda
Except it's as simple as that.
00;42;41;10 - 00;42;50;27
Preston
I think. But everything simple. No. And that's like a simple concept in theory. It's that we, you know.
00;42;50;29 - 00;42;52;14
Linda
Build layers upon.
00;42;52;20 - 00;42;55;08
Preston
Yeah, in theory, it's not.
00;42;55;11 - 00;43;08;01
Linda
It's not rocket science to, accept people and support people and connect with people.
00;43;08;04 - 00;43;10;02
Preston
That's why it's important to practice.
00;43;10;04 - 00;43;11;08
Linda
Yes, definitely.
00;43;11;09 - 00;43;17;16
Preston
It's the practice. Yeah. Nelson Mandela I think, said it and he said,
00;43;17;18 - 00;43;19;08
Linda
Some deadly quotes. That flower.
00;43;19;11 - 00;43;21;21
Preston
Was it.
00;43;21;23 - 00;43;31;20
Preston
Yeah. We talk about practice. Practice makes perfect. Yeah. There's different spin on it. Can't remember what it was.
00;43;31;22 - 00;43;32;02
Linda
Oh. On a.
00;43;32;02 - 00;43;35;18
Preston
Nightmare.
00;43;35;20 - 00;44;06;25
Preston
I, I said practice means we make less mistakes. It. Okay. He understood that. And maybe nobody's perfect. Yeah, because we do make mistakes. We make decisions that don't then work out for us. So for the people around us. But as long as we continue to practice. Yeah, practice means we make less mistakes because we're going to make mistakes or might not make them.
00;44;06;25 - 00;44;24;13
Preston
Might not even be our fault, might be somebody else's fault. But spend is going to be trying in the work somewhere, no matter how prepared you are. Yeah, no matter how prepared you spend is going to be in the work somewhere. I if we continue to practice more, practice.
00;44;24;16 - 00;44;30;17
Preston
It'll help us get through those situations. I mean, particularly tough situations.
00;44;30;19 - 00;44;33;06
Linda
So life is just a journey of practice really.
00;44;33;06 - 00;44;50;23
Preston
Yeah it is. And it's what do we practice it now in terms of the this this conversation around, around immigration. What do we what do we practice in that the moment when I don't believe we practice in, meaningful, positive conversations.
00;44;51;01 - 00;44;53;28
Linda
We're not as a whole. No. As a country.
00;44;54;01 - 00;44;54;18
Preston
No.
00;44;54;20 - 00;44;55;09
Linda
00;44;55;09 - 00;45;04;29
Preston
We're marching. I don't even know where things. Yeah. You know, so what? What do we practice in at the moment? Some people were saying with practice and hatred.
00;45;05;02 - 00;45;06;23
Linda
Yes.
00;45;06;26 - 00;45;32;10
Preston
You know, I, I don't know what what what it means for our country. But I the more we practice in a way that's more collective, more understanding, more sympathy, more empathy, of each other's perspectives, of each other's culture.
00;45;32;13 - 00;45;42;06
Linda
And maybe some people just can't do that, and that's fine, because it's not our job to make them. It's just as bad, right?
00;45;42;06 - 00;46;12;05
Preston
Yeah. It's fine. I mean, it's it's bad enough that. Yeah. Hopeful. Yeah. Always hopeful. It's bad enough if it's going to impact on their lives. And I think I've said it before, when it's that impact external to you, that's when, that's when we need to look at it. Yeah. Because the impact does it does grow. It does great that you can have people that feel like you still think like yourself.
00;46;12;08 - 00;46;34;24
Preston
And do like yourself and that'll just grow and that's, that's great. That's great. If it's going to benefit our country, if it's going to bring people together. But if it's not, it's not so great. Is it. And that's, that's what we've been saying a lot of and again, I really haven't been aware of it in the past.
00;46;34;26 - 00;46;40;13
Linda
I think I just don't understand.
00;46;40;15 - 00;46;45;01
Linda
What's the what's their goal? What's the main point? Why?
00;46;45;05 - 00;46;47;12
Preston
Yeah. To what end is it to.
00;46;47;12 - 00;46;49;06
Linda
Why is this an issue.
00;46;49;08 - 00;46;50;12
Preston
Yeah.
00;46;50;15 - 00;46;53;01
Linda
And and what is it that I want to achieve.
00;46;53;03 - 00;46;53;22
Preston
And what is.
00;46;53;22 - 00;46;55;21
Linda
The end goal.
00;46;55;23 - 00;47;17;13
Preston
And that's the question. And then maybe then and even know what it is. Yeah. And that's okay. But at least sit down and listen a bit. Why why why are you doing this? You know, and I know much. People believe in much. Is it? They're important to people. Much if you want.
00;47;17;15 - 00;47;31;00
Preston
You know, if you feel the need to match, that's that's great. And let's also do, other things that can bring us together.
00;47;31;02 - 00;48;05;14
Linda
I've been involved in quite a few matches and, I've actually loved that experience. But I've always had a dream that to have a match that is a silent match, that everyone just walks in unity. So I'll have you placards with your messaging or whatever, but a silent match where it's all those like minded people sharing their message, just in kind of boards not screaming or anything like that.
00;48;05;17 - 00;48;19;20
Linda
And then ending with a huge yarning circle at the end of that. I reckon that would be cool.
00;48;19;23 - 00;48;23;03
Preston
Yeah. To see myself being a part of something like that, you.
00;48;23;03 - 00;48;25;14
Linda
Know, maybe let's march through some way.
00;48;25;16 - 00;48;35;20
Preston
Art. Hang on. WhatsApp message you are you. I will be quiet for an hour. Yeah, I get that. But be the challenge that actually. Yeah, that. Well, I'm.
00;48;35;20 - 00;48;39;08
Linda
Not saying maybe we should walk along and sing.
00;48;39;10 - 00;48;50;03
Preston
Something like that. Well, please leave the singing up to somebody.
00;48;50;05 - 00;49;00;09
Preston
I know, I know, we planned we we planned for something else today, but it was just something that was on my, What? Just. I just needed that. Needed to get it off my chest. Because I.
00;49;00;09 - 00;49;01;22
Linda
Hope you've, lifted that.
00;49;01;22 - 00;49;05;02
Preston
Now. No, thanks. Good. Well, I've.
00;49;05;02 - 00;49;06;25
Linda
Given you no answers, but.
00;49;06;28 - 00;49;07;14
Preston
Nice.
00;49;07;15 - 00;49;08;29
Linda
We've been able to yarn about it.
00;49;09;01 - 00;49;14;11
Preston
Nice keep you on the bed. Some of the things that I'll actually.
00;49;14;14 - 00;49;38;08
Preston
Probably already knew. Yeah, I, I think this will. Myself and people that that feel or think of believe like myself. You know we we get to try and find ways that to navigate it in a way that's not going to impact on us. Yeah. That it makes us feel that certain way, makes us feel bad, makes us upset or angry.
00;49;38;10 - 00;50;11;04
Preston
And if it does, we we're going to have to find find those avenues to or the mechanisms to be able to ensure that we we're able to navigate it. You know, that's that's why I love you and and with you because it's something that's important. It provokes thought. And and again, we've said it on the podcast in an earlier episode that when we, when we talk about, reflecting, you know, it's important because it, it has us asking the big questions.
00;50;11;07 - 00;50;33;28
Preston
Oh, well, I, I love, you know, and when you're honest, when you, when you travel with us and you do your research, you delve into your life, you tend to come up with questions that, yeah, in one oh, sorry. Answers that might not you might not want to hear, but but we have to that we need to need to heal in order for us to be able to move forward.
00;50;34;00 - 00;50;36;00
Linda
Disprove your theory, to prove it.
00;50;36;05 - 00;50;48;17
Preston
Yeah. And look, you and I, not anyone's to say that or think that, yeah, I'm sure people have been saying this for years. I'm just. I'm just sort of working at it, working it out. Now.
00;50;48;20 - 00;50;49;04
Linda
We'll get there.
00;50;49;04 - 00;50;50;21
Preston
Eventually. Yeah.
00;50;50;24 - 00;50;51;21
Linda
All right. Well thank.
00;50;51;21 - 00;51;00;17
Preston
You. No, no. Thank you. It was very helpful. And thank you, everybody for joining us. I know we were a little all over the place there.
00;51;00;17 - 00;51;03;16
Linda
But we started the day so wonderfully, though.
00;51;03;19 - 00;51;04;03
Preston
Yeah, yeah.
00;51;04;03 - 00;51;07;13
Linda
We've been down the creek. Yeah. The sun shining.
00;51;07;13 - 00;51;07;22
Preston
Yep.
00;51;07;22 - 00;51;14;16
Linda
We've, hung around mobile morning, which has been so good and spiritually fulfilling.
00;51;14;23 - 00;51;18;02
Preston
A great example of what we're talking about. Yes.
00;51;18;05 - 00;51;19;27
Linda
So we've had a great day today.
00;51;19;27 - 00;51;26;13
Preston
Yes. Yeah. And it's still a great day. It is and will continue to be a great day. Yeah. That would.
00;51;26;19 - 00;51;28;08
Linda
Say.
00;51;28;10 - 00;51;37;04
Preston
Thank you everybody. Thank you for joining us. And as always. And he says, you know, share the love. Take care of yourself.
00;51;37;06 - 00;51;38;01
Linda
Thank you.