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What do you do when the bottom drops out and life breaks in ways you never imagined? Charlie and Jill LeBlanc have walked that road, and through their personal story of loss, they’ve discovered the sustaining power of God's presence. In this podcast, they offer heartfelt conversations, Scripture-based encouragement, and the kind of hope that only comes from experience. Whether you're grieving, struggling, or searching for peace in the middle of chaos, this space is for you.
Hi. Thanks so much for tuning in today. We are wanting to continue the series that we, started last week, which was an interview that we recorded with Andrew and Jamie Wommack.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah. Yeah. And they're great friends of ours, by the way.
Jill LeBlanc:They are.
Charlie LeBlanc:We've worked with them for many, many years in doing worship for their conferences. And we still do some, but not near as much. But, but they are just really precious, precious people.
Jill LeBlanc:Yes. They're wonderful people. They are the real deal. And we count it such an honor to have worked so closely with them all these years.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yes. And then they had this interview. What an honor. We really appreciate that.
Jill LeBlanc:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Charlie LeBlanc:So 2026.
Jill LeBlanc:Yeah, here we are.
Charlie LeBlanc:Is that right?
Jill LeBlanc:Yeah. At the time of this, release.
Charlie LeBlanc:This airing, yeah.
Jill LeBlanc:Yep, it is 2026.
Charlie LeBlanc:So wow, a whole new year. I'm just, I haven't wrapped my head around that fully yet.
Jill LeBlanc:I can't believe where 2025 went.
Charlie LeBlanc:I know.
Jill LeBlanc:OMG.
Charlie LeBlanc:Well, that was a big year transition for us.
Charlie LeBlanc:You know, we stopped doing all the conferences with Andrew except for the few that I mentioned. We fully embraced this new season. We released this podcast in 2025. We did a lot of social media marketing and ministering to people via social media. And so, it's been a really, really powerful year, very interesting year for us, a year of transition, very uncomfortable at times.
Jill LeBlanc:Yes.
Charlie LeBlanc:You know, because as much as we love this podcast, but you know there's so much more going on that is so different than us packing our bags and rushing to airports and going into all these big conferences with Andrew or and, you know, we're just not doing that. Now, do have a few already scheduled this year overseas and so forth in England. But, but, anyway, we're we're, we are believing and trusting the Lord for a great 2026 for you and for us. Trusting God. You know, He's a God that helps us through all the difficult seasons in our And, you know, I know when we first lost Beau, I didn't really have hope.
Charlie LeBlanc:I couldn't even see the future. I remember it took me a number of years before I could actually dream again and and dream about our future. But, by the grace of God, we've gotten back to a place of trusting and believing and dreaming. So, we're trusting God for the great year and we're praying for you that no matter what you've been through, that, that God is gonna help you, and things are gonna be stronger and better in your life in 2026.
Jill LeBlanc:That's right. Yeah. So let's listen to some more of this interview with Andrew Wommack.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah.
Andrew Wommack:So let me ask you all the questions personal. I'm not sure if you want to answer that. If you don't, say no. But Jamie and I went through some things with our kids, it wasn't the loss of our children but it was tough and it was a strain on our marriage. I think if we would have ever criticized the other person and said, well this is your fault, I'm not sure we would have ever recovered.
Andrew Wommack:And so we had to guard our heart, but there was a temptation there. So my question is, was this a strain on your marriage, on your relationship? Go ahead.
Jill LeBlanc:I think it very well could have been, but the night of Beau's funeral, we were in our home, you were there, and just filled with people. And a pastor came up to us and just took us both, put his arm around both of us, and said that this this is is an area that the devil gets into so many times, especially with the loss of a child causing separation, division between the parents, the couple. So, he said, I just want to encourage you to really guard your hearts. So, from the get go, we were made aware that this is a snare and a trap of the enemy. And so, kind of had, we kind of developed just a little system that, you know, because everyone does grieve differently, and there would be days, you know, as time went on that he would be really struggling, and I would be okay for a day, and he might snap at me if I said something or did something, or vice versa.
Jill LeBlanc:I would be struggling, and he would ask me something, and I would snap at him, and it got to be where we would say, Okay, listen, I'm sorry. I'm having a grief attack. It's a rough day for me, and so just please bear with me. So, got to where we would do that a lot. We would just acknowledge that we're not doing well today, so that we didn't take it personally, and it really helped us to not have to fall into that.
Jill LeBlanc:Because it probably could have easily gone that way where we began to blame each other and whatever.
Andrew Wommack:You're trying to fix it and trying to figure out what happened and it's easy to point the finger at somebody and if you ever do that, man, that would destroy your mate.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah, we yeah. Were spared from a lot of that. I think with this loss, you know, I had to picture Jill as a woman that lost her son and have compassion for her pain, even if she would bite at me or, you know, be clothed to me. But I just had to realize that she was hurting and God loved her and that I needed to love her and vice versa. You know, she would just see that I was hurting and I needed compassion and love.
Charlie LeBlanc:And so that definitely helped us through, but you're right, the enemy can come in and he definitely tried. As far as accusing one another, you know, there wasn't any of that in our situation. Obviously I had enough of the enemy trying to accuse me, I mean I had to, you know, there's spiritual warfare involved in all of this all the time, you know, casting down imaginations and bringing every thought to the obedience of Christ because the enemy will try to destroy you. One of the other scriptures that God reminded me of was Satan has come to sift you as wheat, but I have prayed that your faith fail not. You know, so we knew from the start that well, not from the start, but pretty soon after that that the enemy was trying to destroy us.
Charlie LeBlanc:He he, you know, he had a play and took our son, but he wasn't gonna get us, and he wasn't gonna destroy my family, I wasn't gonna allow it. And so we fought back and we were aware, it says, not ignorant of his devices, and we were not, tried not to be ignorant whenever he would try to sneak in and cause us to get on each other, you know. So yeah, God, that word from the pastor helped us, and it set us on good course.
Andrew Wommack:That's good. You know, I'm sure that there's people watching this that are in a sense encouraged because you guys have been walking with the Lord for decades and yet you're expressing things that they feel and maybe haven't even allowed themselves to acknowledge, they're trying to reject it and stuff, and they're probably thinking, well man, I'm not so bad off then if Charlie and Jill had to deal with this.
Charlie LeBlanc:Well that's true, Andrew, we've had a lot of, so many testimonies people have written to us and emailed us about the book, and we're getting these testimonies of people saying, thank you for being honest, because I was condemning myself, because I was feeling some of the things that you felt, some of the things that you went through, the enemy was trying to destroy me and condemn me. So you know, people need to know that God loves them, He understands pain, He understands heartache, and that he will walk with them through it, he'll help them get through all these most difficult moments in their life. And you know, this was definitely a test beyond anything that we could ever imagine. And yes, we still miss our son terribly at times, sometimes more than others. The Christmas time can be a tough time for people who have lost loved ones because they, it's so obvious that they're not there, And so, you know, birthdays and anniversaries of their passing are tough times.
Charlie LeBlanc:But yeah, God's grace is sufficient, He's there to help us, to hold us, to carry us through these difficult times, and He did it. And it just took time, it just took some time to be honest.
Andrew Wommack:You know, you've heard me say this many times that in fifty something years I've only had two colds and I don't believe in getting sick and I fight it. Well, in January 2024, so it's been just a little over a year, I just totally wiped myself out and got tired and I got a cold. That's as bad as it's been, but I got up in front of the staff and the students told them I've got to admit my thing. Now I've had three colds. Did you know, surprisingly people came up and they were so thrilled that I got sick, that I had a cold because it made them feel better.
Andrew Wommack:I don't know why that is, but people were rejoicing at me having a cold.
Jill LeBlanc:I doubt if they were.
Andrew Wommack:Well, were rejoicing because it made them feel better.
Charlie LeBlanc:I think transparency is really healthy. I mean Paul said, I think it's important that I let you know what I've been through. And Paul was very transparent about all the pain. He said, I didn't even think we could make it. He said, I got to a place where I didn't think we would get through it.
Charlie LeBlanc:And you could quote the scriptures better than I could, but all the different things that he's been through, but that transparency, I know for me it helped me to see him be honest about the pain and the heartache, and I've seen you many times, even at the ministers conference last time, just be real honest about some of the things that you've been through and some of the things you've tried in the ministry that didn't work. And and, you know, I think it helps. It helps ministers, I know for sure, who are struggling to try to make their ministry grow to see you be transparent about some of the things that you've been through. And I guess the cold thing's unique, they're like, well, I've been condemning myself because I've got a cold this year or Andrew got one, so I don't feel so bad. You know, that kind of a thing.
Andrew Wommack:I don't know why they find comfort in me suffering. But did you know Peter said, don't think it strange concerning the fiery trial, which And is to try if you do think that it's strange and that nobody has known the problems that I've felt, that is a place that Satan can just destroy you because you think that you know, you're going through something nobody else has gone through.
Charlie LeBlanc:And even the lie that, you know, you're a man of faith or woman of faith, that you're not gonna ever have a problem. You know, that's something we seem to think, but the truth of the matter is every great man and woman of God in the Bible had terrible problems. I mean, they went through all kinds of stuff and they came out on top by the grace of God and by the Word of God. But, you know, I think so when people hear prophecy, what did I do wrong? What am I doing? What am I doing? You know, what's wrong with me? You know, and and where's God? What's wrong with God? Where's he at?
Charlie LeBlanc:You know? So there's a lot of a lot of confusion, lot of error in that that realm as well because in this world you shall have tribulation. Be of good cheer for I've overcome the world. And you know, you even put when you wrote the forward in our book, said, you know, everyone goes through difficulty and if you haven't yet, you said, you know, you probably will. It's true.
Andrew Wommack:If you're breathing.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah. And I think we've all experienced difficulty and experienced God's help in time of need, you know.
Andrew Wommack:So how did your girls, Cami and Cherry, handle this? Was it tough on them?
Charlie LeBlanc:It's a tough one, yeah. Very tough.
Andrew Wommack:They didn't have quite the spiritual depth that you do.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah, they didn't have the experiences that we did as young people getting filled with the Holy Ghost at 14, me getting saved at 19 and just on fire for Jesus. When you get touched that deeply when you're young, it, you just can't get away from it, you know, thank God, you know, He puts a hook in your mouth, you can't get away from it no matter what. But yeah, they've had their struggles, you know, they're doing well, but it's a tender spot, you know, and we don't, we talk about Beau in general, the good times and we laugh about things or we remember things, but we don't talk a lot about how they're doing directly to them. It's kind of unspoken things we can feel.
Andrew Wommack:Have they read your book?
Charlie LeBlanc:I think they have.
Andrew Wommack:They ought to read your book.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc:We gave them both a book, and one of the daughters said that she couldn't read it yet.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc:And we said, Well, skip over the first chapter, because that's where we just kinda tell the story of that night.
Charlie LeBlanc:That night, yeah.
Jill LeBlanc:And so, we said, Start maybe in chapter two or three, but I think they have. But our oldest daughter, she's a hairdresser, and she's got a lot of contact with the public, and anyone that comes in that starts talking about, Oh, my dad just died, or, My son, whatever, they're facing difficulties, she kept a stack of our books on her little counter, and she would sell them a book.
Jamie Wommack:And you do have a sweet memory of Beau before that, because didn't he start journaling and really got close, very close to the Lord.
Jill LeBlanc:Oh yeah, he really got serious. During all that time.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yes, he did.
Jamie Wommack:That's gotta be a special memory.
Charlie LeBlanc:We were, that was a great victory that, I mean, he was in his twenties and starting to kind of drift a bit, and you know, he'd call me, you know, when I knew he wasn't living completely for God, but he'd call me, man, saw I heard Donald this morning dead, you know, you should have heard him, man, was preaching this, preaching that, and I'd say, praise God, amen, you know. But then, you know, his life wasn't fully engaged in like what we wanted and expected, but he did come to a place in the Lord during his sickness that, I mean, he was preaching to his friends that would come and visit him in the hospital. He'd be challenging them.
Jill LeBlanc:Saying that, yeah.
Charlie LeBlanc:Preaching to them.
Andrew Wommack:So on our program yesterday we talked about your ministry and how you started traveling and you traveled with us for what, twenty? Twenty years something years.
Charlie LeBlanc:More than that.
Andrew Wommack:Traveled with Joyce Meyer and stuff. Now we've quit traveling, we still minister here and doing more than I've ever done, but you've moved because you aren't traveling with us. This is kind of the focus of your ministry now. What do you see happening here?
Charlie LeBlanc:You know, the Lord spoke to me a couple of years ago actually. I was in prayer and in worship and He told me, He said, Charlie, He says, you're entering into a new season of ministry and He said, I'm asking you to embrace this season. And I knew what he was talking about, he was talking about us ministering to people who has had losses and actually helping to teach the body of Christ how to help others, know. And that's another whole thing, we haven't talked a lot about that, but that's another whole burden in our hearts deeply.
Andrew Wommack:And that's like the second half of your book.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah, second half of the book, yeah, to try to teach people to love and not try to fix people. That's it in a nutshell, you know, what you can do for a grieving person, you know. Anyway, won't go into all that right now, but yeah, he's told me that this is a new season and I've wrestled with it because, you know, I've been worship leader all my life, I've been music, you know, writing music and everything, and to think that all of a sudden God is challenging me to move into this realm of ministering to people who have had broken hearts and to try to help people get through difficulty like this, I didn't really want it. And so He continued to just speak to my heart in this realm.
Charlie LeBlanc:And interestingly, you know, you told us a couple of years in advance that you were thinking about maybe stopping the GTCs. And you know, funny thing, never told you this Jimmy, but I had a dream one morning and woke up from a dream and you were in it and you were just talking to me and Jill and saying that, you know, there's gonna be some changes in the ministry now and so we're not gonna be doing the conferences and, you know, we we won't be using you guys. And and and I woke up at four in the morning and I was startled by it. Crazy.
Jill LeBlanc:Sorry.
Charlie LeBlanc:And and I I went and I went and, began to study and pray and seek the Lord for about four hours and in that time the Lord spoke to me and said, Charlie, you have served Andrew, you've served Joyce Meyer, you've served this ministry and that ministry and you've been faithful to serve these, but now I'm calling you into a new season of ministry and where you're gonna be, you know, speaking and preaching a lot more. And so that was I have that all journaled. About a year later, we're in Naples at Grant Thigpen's Church and a lady came up to me and she said, I asked permission from pastor if I could give you this word. And she went ahead and began to prophecy and said, God is calling you into a new season. You've served this one and this one and this one and this one.
Charlie LeBlanc:He said, but now I'm calling you and anointing you into your new season, into what you're I'm sitting there just blown away. I went home to find where did I write that a year earlier and found it and it just matched up incredibly. So we've been getting prepared with we we actually met with ministry marketing director recently to help us to really formulate videos and and classes and other material, other books, mini books and things that we can put out just to get this side of our ministry. We'll never stop singing.
Charlie LeBlanc:We'll never stop. As long as someone will listen, I'll sing. You know what I'm saying?
Jamie Wommack:Well, and you're still coming to our conference.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah. We're still doing the Minnesfest Conference in the summer and we're gonna be in England with Carrie and Mike in in May. So we're honored honored beyond words to do that, and we'll continue to lead worship and and stuff forth. But, you know, I recently had a pastor call me over two hours away and he goes, my worship leader can't make it this Sunday. Can you come and and lead worship? And and he was two hours away and he can come, you know, Sunday morning.
Charlie LeBlanc:I I was I said, I said, well, I said, yeah, we're available. And I said, you know what? I said, would you be able to give me the entire service and let me preach this message that's on my heart? And I said, if you could do that, I said, we could do that. Because I I just felt like it was just wisdom.
Charlie LeBlanc:And he said, absolutely come, you know. So we led worship. I got to minister the word that God has put on our hearts about this. And it was a great a great Sunday morning. So is, 'tis the season, you know, that the Lord is bringing us into, and Andrew, I have wrestled with it. I really have. I've wrestled with God.
Andrew Wommack:I remember talking to you and Jill in Florida, I think it was at Kurt Owens' thing, and I got to asking you, so what's on your heart? And you were sharing that it wasn't only music, again, not taking away from any of the anointing that God's got on you, but you felt like you wanted to be sharing the Word, and that was a couple years ago.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yep.
Andrew Wommack:And I was encouraging you then that that's what you need to start doing.
Charlie LeBlanc:That's right.
Andrew Wommack:So you're moving into a season where you're looking to come and hold the whole service, not just praise and worship.
Charlie LeBlanc:Absolutely, and you know, backing up, we used to do that all the time, as Jill was telling you in the last session. Used to preach, I used to lay hands on people and preach all the time on Sunday mornings. And once we started with Joyce in '97 and then right into your conferences for twenty seven years, we predominantly led worship in the conferences, which we are, it's a miracle that God has allowed us to do that, just to think of His incredible grace, to let us do that, you know. But the whole time I've had this thing growing in my heart, especially in the last several years, to just get out and share this message and so many people.
Andrew Wommack:Well it's about time that you did that.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah, know, I know, it's about time.
Andrew Wommack:So if somebody somebody is watching this and says, Man, we need y'all's ministry, our church to Jesus, how do they contact you?
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah, well then go to our website at charlieandjill.com and again we have a page there where they can fill out to put out their information in their church, or call us and email us and invite us to come. But we'd love to come. You know, we really believe that, especially in our circles, that this is something that's not talked about. You know, back in 2015 actually we came and we were invited to come and do a couple of the services here for the school and we did a Friday morning and I shared a lot of what's in the book. The book wasn't birthed at that point, but I shared this message, we had a standing ovation.
Charlie LeBlanc:I mean, people just clapped and they came up to us after, said, no one's talking about this. You know, yes, we stand in faith but so many of us have lost loved ones when we've prayed and stood with them and this is helping us to figure out how to get through these dark times and these disappointing times. And so we certainly believe that we can help people in this time that have had losses, that have been helping get through it. And like I said, the other half of it is to help teach the body of Christ how to be better helpers, be better friends to those who have gone through grief and suffering.
Andrew Wommack:So what is, have you actually started traveling and doing any of this yet?
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah, I mean, you know, for fifteen years I've been preaching this message ever since we went to the
Andrew Wommack:My question basically is what would, if somebody invited you, what would it look like? Is it a Sunday morning only? Is it a one service?
Charlie LeBlanc:You know, actually did a little seminar, a little weekend seminar at Thigpen's Church. So we did a Saturday where we taught, we invited people who had had losses and we spent what, four hours with them and had classes and taught on this and helped them get through that. So yeah, it could be a weekend, a weekend seminar. We would worship, lead worship, minister, but So get the whole package deal when they invite
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah, get the whole thing, yes. Just preach.
Andrew Wommack:They invite me, all I can do is preach, I can't see it.
Jill LeBlanc:And speaking of packages, you know, that's part of where we're going with this whole new marketing thing, is to develop, like he was saying, courses that churches can take, because a lot of churches have grief ministry, because, you know, in a church, you've always got people that are passing away, and, you know, they just need some support. And so to have developed classes for that and for, you know, curriculums. So we're getting ready to just put a lot of stuff together.
Andrew Wommack:Do you actually have curriculum now?
Jill LeBlanc:We do, but it's not ready for
Andrew Wommack:When will it be ready?
Jill LeBlanc:Probably in the next few months.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc:And developing more you know, mini books to go along with those, just different resources to accompany them, and then music resources. I wanted to say, in our book, at the end, I don't think a lot of people know this because it's in the end pages, you finish the book, there's just some different things. And so, we have a free, here it is, there's a little QR code in the book that they can get a free album of Songs of Comfort.
Jill LeBlanc:I think we titled it The God of All Comfort. And so, we're trying to integrate comfort or grief ministry speaking and teaching along with our music because we've got a lot of songs of comfort. Oh yeah.
Andrew Wommack:Well, it's like healing. I can guarantee you, everybody sooner or later is gonna have some grief coming their way. The time to learn is before you're in it. It would really, really help.
Jill LeBlanc:Yeah, and yeah.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah, so we're gonna mix the songs and the music with the message, and you know, like I said, I didn't ask for this, but this is something we really feel a clear mandate of God to do this, and I wish He'd picked someone else to do it, but I'm-
Andrew Wommack:Well, in a way, it's redeeming the things that you've done, gone through it, making so that it's not just wasted all the things you've gone through.
Jill LeBlanc:From the time that, you know, Beau was conceived, don't go there in your mind. Which we just did go there in our mind. You know, the Lord spoke to Charlie and said, Jill's pregnant, was it a preacher? And he's a- He'll be a preacher to the nations, or what?
Charlie LeBlanc:He said, Jill's pregnant, it's a boy, and he'll be a prophet to many nations.
Jill LeBlanc:Prophet to many nations. So that was even before he was born, and then there were just several things throughout, even again in my pregnancy, someone else prophesied, and he just had all kinds of things, through his life. And so, after he died, we're like, What the heck? So, what now? What about all these words, these prophecies?
Jill LeBlanc:And so, this is like, this is redeeming that. It's like this is now his ministry. You know, when Dave Duell prophesied to him in October 2007, he probably had that going on already because cancer flies under the radar a long time before it's ever felt or anything. And so, just to think back through is just too crazy, but now here we are with this ministry that we're helping able to help so many people, and we never And I know God didn't put that on him to cause this, but he can turn things around. You know, in Romans 8:28, it says that God works all things together for good to those who love God.
Jill LeBlanc:And called according to his purpose. Which is what we were talking about at the end of of that, section. And it is so true. And we are firm believers in the fact that this did not happen because of God's doing. We have an enemy that roams about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.
Charlie LeBlanc:That's right.
Jill LeBlanc:And, you know, we we don't understand all of the why and the how and everything, but one thing we do know is that the Lord will take what the enemy meant for harm and turn it around and use it for good. Yes. And we are just so grateful that by his grace that we are able to help people through this thing that we never asked for. And we just pray that you will also have, that receive some fresh touch from the Lord to help you get through this thing that you never asked for. And we just wanna encourage you to get hold of our book if you don't have it yet.
Jill LeBlanc:And this thing has become a lifeline to many who have walked through loss themselves, but it is a great helper that to for others that are walking beside those to become a better comforter. Yeah. And that's a that's half of what our ministry is now is just teaching the body of Christ how to be just Jesus with skin on like we keep saying in the book, Jesus to other people who are walking through difficult times.
Charlie LeBlanc:Yeah. And, Jill, like you said, you know, in the interview, and and you just said a minute ago, God can work all things together for the good of those who love him. And, you know, we didn't really understand that at first. It's not a scripture I embraced quickly at all, because I was in so much pain and the hurt was so hard. But, and even when we started writing this book, it wasn't that we're thinking, okay, this is going to redeem us and this is going to be Bo's future and things like that. We weren't thinking that, we were just writing it out of obedience to the Lord. And now that it's written, we realize that this is a ministry that God birthed in us as a result of the pain, as a result of the crash of our life, the devastation. And like Jill was saying, you know, you have been possibly through hell of a loss as well, but we're trusting God that in 2026 that God will begin to reveal to you how you can use this tragedy to maybe begin to help others.
Charlie LeBlanc:I'm sure many of you already have, because people come to you out of the woodwork when you've had a loss.
Jill LeBlanc:Yeah.
Charlie LeBlanc:And so I'm sure many of you have had the opportunity to minister to a lot of people already. So, we want to encourage you in 2026 that God is going to use you to help others while you're being healed yourself. That's one thing the Lord spoke to me. I want to be fully healed before I can help others. And sure enough, He has done that.
Charlie LeBlanc:So, God bless you. We sure do appreciate y'all. We love you. Thank you for listening. Give us a thumbs up and share it with your friends.
Charlie LeBlanc:So, happy new year and God bless you.