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The HeadRush Podcast with Paul Frase and Corey Berry takes you inside the reality of Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) through the lens of football and rodeo. With firsthand experience in two of the most punishing sports, Paul and Corey share their stories, the lasting effects of head trauma, and the fight for awareness and support.
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This is the Headrush Podcast with Paul Freys and Corey Barry.
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Welcome to the Head Rush podcast. I'm Paul Freys and I played 11 years in the
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NFL and our co-host Corey Barry rode a professional rodeo for nine years.
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Corey, good to see you. It's been a month. About a month.
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>> All right. At the HeadRush podcast, we talk about everything related to brain
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trauma and brain health and wellness. We talk about traumatic uh brain injury,
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chronic traumatic encphylopathy, traumatic encphylopathy syndrome, and we
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talk about repeated head impacts and repeated blast exposures. We cover how
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uh traumatic brain injuries can and will cause mental health issues such as
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depression, addiction, lack of executive function, memory loss, even suicide
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ideiation. And we uh talk about degenerative
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neurological issues as well. These symptoms can be found on the Mayo Clinic
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and Boston University websites under symptoms of CTE. And our mantra is how
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to cope and find hope. And we focus our energy on finding therapies and sharing
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hope through education and by raising awareness. Cy,
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>> you did good this time.
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>> I I stumbled a little bit. So,
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>> no, you always stumble a little bit, but
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>> I didn't notice a stumble.
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>> Um Paul, we have a special guest in studio.
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He's one of the co-founders of Ambio Life Sciences.
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With us today, Trevor Malar is a social entrepreneur with over a decade of
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experience providing Ibegan therapy. That's right, ladies and gentlemen.
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We're talking Ibegan today. He is responsible for various aspects of
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Ambio's operations and communication. He previously served as a board member
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and co-founder of the Canadian Psychedelic Association and from 2018 to
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2021 was on the board of directors for the
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multidisiplinary association of psychedelic studies maps
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in Canada where he acted as chair of the board for over two years. Trevor was
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featured in awardwinning documentary called Dose.
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Dose is about using magic mushrooms and Ibuga.
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IbOgga to treat addiction, anxiety, depression, and it was released in 2019.
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And you just finished another one, correct? The big documentary right now
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is called In Waves and War and it's on Netflix and it followed three Navy Seals
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through a healing process with Ibagain.
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>> That that's incred is that was that part of the Stanford uh trials? It features
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the Stanford study in there and um those three guys were not a part of the
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Stanford study, but it cut into clips of the guys who did go through the Stanford
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study, which was a study of 30 guys who were special forces veterans. They
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needed a traumatic brain injury to get into the study. And then they went to
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Stanford prior to coming to Ambio. They got brain scans. They got a battery of
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other tests. Then they went immediately to Stanford afterwards for more tests
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and then a month follow-up as well. And the pre-brain scans were clearly showing
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traumatic brain injury. Postbrain scan showing it was largely reversed if not
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entirely reversed in some of those guys.
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>> Amazing because we're going to go dive deep into those results that you've had,
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you know, through that study and also you you've you've been talking to us
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about some incredible things that happened down in Tijuana with Ambio. So
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I'm going to share a few sentences uh explaining what uh your team does um at
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Ambio. Ambio's clinics have become centers for research and the cultural
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introduction of ibagane therapy and uh their their founders have a combined 40
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years of experience leading the field in a variety of ways from the programs that
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they offer to training and sustainable medicine sourcing. So this is all plant
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derived uh medicine. Yeah.
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>> So they can address a wide range of concerns
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>> including number one drug detoxification and addiction recovery. Number two
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traumatic brain injuries and emotional trauma trauma, three neurodeenerative
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conditions, pain and other concerns. And uh they also work with many who are
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interested in approaches to number four psychological optimismization
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amongst high performance special for forces operators professional athletes
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executives and artists. So we're going to do a deep dive for the next 57
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minutes I think. So uh welcome Trevor.
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>> Thank you. Great to be here. Nice to see you guys again.
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Yeah, that's a lot to unpack there, Paul.
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>> I Yeah, I
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>> it's going to take us a while to do that. We met you last summer in Tampa at
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the M Parkman Summit and you talked uh to all of us as part of that,
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the M Parkman repeated head impact global summit.
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>> Right. Right. That was
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>> um Tell us more about your trip to Tampa and your alliance with the M Parkman
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Foundation. Well, I met Bruce Parkman through an introduction. I have I have
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no idea how I met Bruce Parkman, but as soon as we met, we hit it off and he
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said that he has this brain health summit that's happening in Tampa and
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would I show up? And I said gladly. So, put together a PowerPoint presentation
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all about Ibagane and specifically what Ibagane seems to be doing for TBI. And
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uh yeah, it was great to meet you guys there. Any excuse to go to Tampa, I'll
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take it.
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>> One one of the things you you talk about TBI and I gain. So So I've always kind
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of shied away from the plantder derived or psychedelics and uh um
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>> I I just didn't know what it could do for traumatic brain injury. Yeah. And
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again we we've been talking and you uh you have uh expressed that TBI has
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patients have responded very very well.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Um tell us a couple of examples.
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>> The arc as far as I can see it on how this discovery was made was you know
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when I started working in Vancouver I could legally work with Ibagane there
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and we treated mostly opioid use disorder. That's another near miraculous
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capability of ibagane is you can give it to somebody who's addicted to heroin or
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fentinol and virtually overnight they're kind of fixed of their addiction uh with
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no withdrawals no cravings afterwards. So that's how it was discovered modern
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in modern times by the western world. And
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there was a Navy Seal by the name of Marcus Capone and his story is featured
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in in waves and war. And he retired. He felt as though he had a great career. He
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didn't really feel as though he had PTSD life, you know, life serving. It was an
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honor for him. He didn't have any real moral injury. He didn't suffer regret
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about what he did. But upon retiring, something was not right. He was drinking
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too much. He was angry. His family was scared of him. Um, they were scared they
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were going to lose him to suicide. And Amber, his wife, felt as though there
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might be a traumatic brain injury component to this. And as a lastditch
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effort, they heard about another Navy Seal who had gone to Tijana for Ibagane
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treatment. And they said, you know, let's try this. And Marcus was
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very reluctant, as you might have been, to trying something like a psychedelic
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for healing, but he did it anyway. and he was gone for a number of days, came
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back and Amber said when he walked in the house afterwards, she knew
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immediately she had her husband back. So she had the intuition that it was a
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traumatic brain injury thing and she started knocking on researchers doors to
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try and get them to pay attention. got the attention of Stanford University and
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that led to the study that is that you know I will put proved in quotes but
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through these brain scans showed that yes these soldiers did have traumatic
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brain injury and it was greatly reduced after I gain TBI shows up as basically
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like a dark spot when you do an MRI where there's a lack of blood flow and
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after I gain the blood is flowing again and there's far fewer dark spots
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thoughts.
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>> Do you use the spec scan like the the ammon clinics or is it
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>> it was an fMRI.
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>> FM fMRI. So that actually shows blood flow functional medicine.
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>> Oh wow. Yeah.
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>> So it um you know one story of these guys you asked for a story. One story
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was a guy who came through and he felt as though his I gain journey was long
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and shallow. like he didn't really feel as though he got much out of the
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experience itself. He didn't uh have grand visions. He didn't have, you know,
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much of a psychedelic experience. But at some point through the journey, he felt
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as though for years that it was almost like he had three knives in his head,
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like knives in a butcher's block. And he said near the end of the journey, he
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felt all of those be removed. And then he is a charismatic,
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forceful guy in a lot of ways. And after he did all of his brain scans, he said
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to the radiologist who was in charge of the room at the time, he said, "Let me
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see my brain scans." And he said, "I am not supposed to show you your brain
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scans, but yours are pretty remarkable, so let me show you." Before I in the
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spot where those knives were, he showed three dark spots. After the IBA gain,
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those three dark spots were gone. So those specific places.
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>> So that was lack of blood flow, the dark dark spots. And the then the blood flow
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had been restored after I gain treatment.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Well, I got a lot of dark spots. I got dark spots. I got u what all do I
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have? I got shrinkage of the brain.
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>> Atrophy.
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>> Atrophy. frontal lobe cortex and what's the one in back?
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>> Cerebellum or um I mean the cerebellum is is is in the back area. Are are I'm
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I'm sorry.
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>> Yeah, occipital lobe.
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>> Occipital lobe damage.
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>> And you have brain scans to show that?
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>> Oh, yeah.
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>> Well, you should come down and take Ibane.
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>> Paul, should we mention this?
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>> I'm afraid of flying right now.
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>> No, you're not. Ah,
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>> so I I want to I want to dive deep into
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>> Before we do that, hold it. You just asked,
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>> "Are you willing to go to Tijana? This is not You don't want to pressure
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somebody into taking IBA. You can come alone. You will be perfectly capable of
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>> Do you?"
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>> Oh, yeah.
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>> Well, he could get you to San Diego at least. Oh, yeah. But
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>> and get you across.
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>> But how many years in the NFL did you say?
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>> 11 years in the NFL. and I had 20 years of uh of organized football. So
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if you average out, you know, the the statistics, probably 15,000 repeated
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head impact.
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>> Then you should really come yourself lots of NFL guys. Robert Gallery,
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um he has been through a few times. He's been very public with his story. started
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a nonprofit called Athletes for Care to help uh athletes through for this
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treatment. But he was, you know, he had all the classic symptoms of what was his
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like he had suicidal ideiation. He was drinking far too much. He was depressed.
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He was not functioning in normal society whatsoever.
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And after I gain, he is thriving. He I I really feel as though, you know, and as
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we know, CTE
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>> is largely undetectable through scans until postmortem, but I think history
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will show that Ibagain is fixing CTE in people.
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>> Mhm.
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>> If you've been told it's all in your head, but deep down you know something
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is wrong, listen closely. brain fog, depression, anxiety,
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irritability, even PTSD. These are not just mental issues. They
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may be signals of neuroinflammation and hormonal disruption, root causes that
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traditional medicine often ignores. At the Millennium Health Centers, founded
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by Dr. from Mark Mark Gordon. They have helped veterans, athletes, and everyday
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people restore brain function using a medical process called the Millennium
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Protocol. Take their free brain health assessment at tbhelpnow.org
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and discover if inflammation, not weakness, is holding you back. You're
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not broken, you're unbalanced, and balance can be restored. Uh it'll be
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interesting because that you know they they the research is finally advancing
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the to the point where they can you know through some of these MRIs that can
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actually show precursors or yeah damage that is associated with CTE.
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>> And I know uh there's an actor who has given me permission to speak about his
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time at Ambio. His name is Michael Papa John. He's been in Jurassic World. He's
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the original Spider-Man movie. Um, and he's done a lot of stunts, a lot of
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football movies, taken a lot of hits, and he was not functioning well at all.
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They've made they were following him for a documentary called The Hollywood
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Hitman, I believe, and he was one of the people who was given that test where
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they put in a die or something so they can see if somebody has CTE before they
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pass away, right? And you know, don't want to do a spoiler alert, but he came
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to Ambio or I am doing a spoiler alert. He came to Ambio, had an incredible time
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and and I think it'll be featured very well in the documentary that's coming
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out.
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>> Well, that that's exciting because I I actually I was involved 10 or 11 years
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ago with T708 at Mass General. They it was a radioactive iso isotope that they
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felt would attach itself to tal protein and it was trying to find a biioarker
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that they could attach to you know before you die you they can tell you
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know if you're dealing with CTE and apparently it wasn't robust enough the
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the uh but I I know they're still doing I think they're still doing uh checking
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on isotopes um uh that uh should be attaching to the biomarkers.
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You you just got uh approved, didn't you? With
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>> I just got it approved for the clarity project uh research where they're going
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to they already got my MRI because I just had my last MRI done in October.
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>> Okay. But either late March or early April, I'm also and I've had a pet towel
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once already, but I'm going to do another pet towel. Or I mean I had not a
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towel. I had a amaloid
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>> beta amaloid.
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>> Beta amalloid one already, but they want me to do another beta amalloid one as
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part of the research. But they're also going to do the PETA protein.
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>> They're going to try try another isotope. I think
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>> isotope to see if they can see the tow protein in my brain.
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>> Wow.
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>> The great thing about this research is we actually get the results.
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>> Nice.
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>> So Jeremy Tanner will actually get the results
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of these images to be able to discuss them with me.
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>> Nice. When are you doing that then?
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>> Uh I just got the phone call I think Thursday.
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>> Okay, good. It's soon. So, so March or April,
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>> go before you have uh
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>> Yeah, otherwise it might be a disappointing test cuz
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>> you're already going to be fixed.
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>> I might have fixed you.
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>> Yeah, try. Okay, let's let's do a really deep dive on that Stanford study. Tell
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us what what it was about. What is Iboain about?
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>> I What is I gain? So it is a a plant medicine. It's an alkaloid that comes
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from a plant. The plant is native to central west Africa, countries like
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Gabon and Cameroon. And it is actually the second layer of root bark on this
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plant called Tabernanthia. And that plant has been used
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ceremonially for centuries in Africa by a culture that calls itself the Buidi
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tradition. And Buidi would call would say that it studies life and it uses
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this plant medicine to study life itself. And in 1962,
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a person who was addicted to heroin by the name of Howard Laf, he took iba gain
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kind of for fun. His chemist buddy knew that he would try anything and say said,
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"You might be interested in this."
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>> Just know your chemist. That's
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>> Yeah, exactly. He trusted the guy. And nobody knows where this chemist even got
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this Ibagane, but a few days later he took it. He went on this incredible
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journey. It puts people into, you know, a a 12, 24, sometimes 36-hour long
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psychedelic journey. And he came out at the out the other end and he said, "That
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was horrible. I am never doing that again." But then he stepped outside and
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he realized, "Wait a second. I haven't wanted heroin the whole time I've been
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on this, nor do I want it now. So that's when its anti-addictive properties were
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discovered. And then he became a real champion for it, kind of knocking on
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doctor's doors trying to get them to pay attention. And that slowly developed
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into an underground culture of people providing this medicine. And that
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ultimately led to people doing it in Mexico because it's legal to work with
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in Mexico. And like I said, eventually some veterans showed up down there and
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that led to Amber Marcus Capone being exposed to it and then they said, "We
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need to get this to our community." So they started a nonprofit called Vets
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Incorporated, veteransolutions.org. And they have now sent, I think, around
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1,200 US special forces veterans through for Ibagane treatment with tremendous
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results. And it was Amber who knocked on Stanford's door and they answered and
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the study was you needed a traumatic brain injury to get into the study had
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been diagnosed somehow with a traumatic brain injury and then they did a bunch
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of kind of evaluation prior to them coming to Ambio. Then they came into
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Ambio's five-day foundational program we call it. And
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the way that week looks or the way that five days work is we'll pick them up in
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San Diego, bring them down. Uh we help everybody unpack, make sure there's
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nothing that's contraindicated with Ibagane in their luggage. We do a circle
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to get in to know each other. We have some lunch together. The food's
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incredible at Ambia. We become known for that. Uh then people go to a sweat
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lodge. We've been doing a traditional indigenous sweat lodge which is a great
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way to kick off the week, really bond the team together. We do groups of
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anywhere from six to 11 people at a time right now out of seven locations in
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Tijana. And we have a location in Malta in Europe now as well. And that uh leads
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into some dinner after the sweat lodge, an IV to rehydrate, some sleep the next
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morning, some blood work in the morning, into breakfast, into breath work. Breath
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is like this great untapped ally that it's good to get reacquainted with prior
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to something like I gain. Then another circle to help prepare lunch. Everybody
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fasts after lunch. During that afternoon, they'll get a massage. She'll
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do some one-on-one counseling with our You like a good massage? We have this
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incredible masseuse in Tijana. I'll make sure you get him.
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>> I got a bad neck. So,
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>> yeah. Sometimes bad necks get fixed after I gain as well.
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>> Um, a one-on-one sit down with our the on-site therapeutic support, an IV prior
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to Ibagane at about 7:00 with some magnesium in it. At about 8:00 p.m.,
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everybody circles up around a fire and that's when the first dose of medicine
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is administered and then everybody lays down in the treatment room. Everybody
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gets their own mattress and basically they go into themselves for about 12
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hours. They'll have a blindfold on. Um I has been known is called onic which rem
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which means as related to dreams. So it can be visionary. It's almost like
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a lucid dream type experience. You might see things people, you know, might see
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things from their life previously, maybe be bought brought back to specific
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traumatic events to have them kind of healed and cleared up. I think I feel
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like a misconception about Ibagane is every time I hear people talking about
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it now, they talk about this whole life review that everybody gets. You might
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get you might review a thing or two. Maybe there are some people that get
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this whole life review, but some people don't even get visions. So, the cool
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thing about ibagane is you don't need to have visions for it to work for you.
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Auditory hallucinations are super common. You might hear things, might
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hear people talking in the room and when you look there's nobody saying anything.
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We play a gray playlist while they're on the medicine.
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And then the next day after I gain is notoriously known as the gray day.
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Everybody feels pretty rough the day after I gain. You're about as tired as
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you've ever been, but you can't sleep because the medicine's still in your
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system. You're just depleted. All the night before all of your
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neurotransmitters would have been firing on full blast. The day after you've got
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nothing. So, it's just a a great day to relax. There's nothing required of you.
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And then it's once you get some sleep that you really start feeling the
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benefits of Ibagane. So, the next day, people tend to feel quite a bit better.
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We debrief after the ibagane and we've been providing another compound as well
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called 5met which is a a shorter psychoactive
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experience but it seems to go really well with ibagane then in Mexico anyway
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on that last night we'll do a taco night because you're in Mexico you might as
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well eat tacos and then the next morning we get everybody back to San Diego. So
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this Stanford study, those guys went through that exact protocol. Then after
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leaving Ambio, they went to Stanford, did another MRI and did other tests to
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measure things like depression, anxiety, PTSD, and disability. And then there was
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a one-mon followup as well. And the first paper that got published out of
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that, I believe there have been three papers now, but the first paper measured
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the PTSD, depression, anxiety, and disability scores all went from almost
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off the charts down to next to nothing after just one dose of Ibagane. And the
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cool thing was the disability scores, they really didn't improve immediately
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following ibagane, but the one month followup indicated that they improve
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pretty dramatically. So Ibagane stays in your system. It converts into a
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metabolite called noribagane which sticks around for you know every people
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say anywhere from a week to a few months even and it upregulates growth factors
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in the brain. We know that and uh yeah people see remarkable transformations
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>> when you talk about growth factors and I I want to get a little bit into the
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science as as well you know grow growth act factors like um BDNF
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>> yeah GDNF and BDNF
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>> okay so
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>> seem to get upregulated
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>> we're going to I'm going to ask you to can you explain the BDNF and the GDNF
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>> you know I am not a scientist but they are growth factors which lead to
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your brain and your neurons being able to grow better. You know,
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>> it's the neuroplasticity, the dendritic communication or all that fun stuff.
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>> And the it seems to upregulate it, meaning it it almost creates a positive
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feedback loop. So once you've gotten this that in the system more it can
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produce more of it in the system and it continues to make changes
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neuroplastically. But the there was a a study that was
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done recently and it measured the neuroplasticity of a bunch of different
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psychedelics like psilocybin. Um I know for sure psilocybin was on there. I
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won't speak to what other ones were on there for sure because I can't remember.
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But it basically showed that the neuroplastic window was, you know, a
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week to two weeks for a lot of these. With Ibagane, they needed to finish the
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study before they saw the neuroplastic window close.
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>> So, it's a really remarkable compound. We know that it's working on the
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physical system more than we've seen with other psychedelics. other
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psychedelic therapy seems to be really great at um healing psychological issues
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and I think there is some impact on the brain and neurological systems but we
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know for sure that ibagane is doing more to the physical system than your average
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your brain. So, let's break this down a little bit. But before I do that, we've
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had a couple of our guests that are friends of Ambio on our podcast.
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>> Yes. And I know I talked to one of them, and
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I'm not mentioning names just because I didn't get their permission to mention
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them, but I talked to one of them that was a Navy Seal,
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and I was like, "Dude, what do you think?" He goes, "100%.
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>> I'd do it tomorrow,
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>> if I were you."
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>> Mhm.
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>> And I said, "Well, is it better to go through?" He goes, "I'll tell you right
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now, and you'll probably know who it is the minute I mention this, is if you
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don't go through the Millennium Health Protocol first
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>> Mhm.
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>> Okay.
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>> you're an idiot."
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>> So, if you go through the Mark Gordon, the Millennium Health Protocol and then
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go do the Ibeane, you're going to get so much more out of it because now your
29:21
hormones are already starting to be regulated. everything's starting to the
29:26
inflammation's starting to come down and so he says and then you go do the I gain
29:32
after that
29:34
>> and I'm at the end of my millennium protocol
29:38
>> the stars are aligning
29:39
>> right so the stars are aligning so Paul are we going to go down but my question
29:43
is is a person like me
29:48
>> me and drugs do not like each other
29:52
>> I do not like not being in control of myself.
29:55
>> Mhm.
29:56
>> And I know I began and I've talked to people that have done it and you lose
30:02
control of yourself. And so people like me that are like
30:08
that, I mean, would I have a harder time
30:12
struggling to try to take control? And then also on top of that, how does Iain
30:18
relate to Daniel in Portland with the mushrooms?
30:23
uh I was and other psychedelics.
30:28
>> Okay, first question. Something I say to get everybody
30:33
prepared for Ibagane is taking Ibagane is like getting on a roller coaster.
30:38
There might be ups, there might be downs. There might be a loop, maybe a
30:41
water feature or two with some purging into a bucket, maybe a tunnel of terror,
30:47
maybe a tunnel of love. None of that matters. The only real rule of roller
30:52
coasters is just don't try and get off in the middle of the ride.
30:57
>> So that's the best I can advice I can give somebody for I gain is just don't
31:02
try and make it stop before it's ready to stop. It's like the somehow and I
31:09
don't know how there's some kind of a innate intelligence in this plant
31:14
medicine. It seems to want more for us than we want for ourselves. So, it's
31:20
okay to let it do its thing. You wouldn't spend a bunch of time and
31:24
energy preparing for a surgery and then lay on the table and try and tell that
31:29
surgeon how to do his job, his or her job. And it's similar with ibagane. You
31:35
really just to the best of your ability, you need to just surrender to it. And
31:41
you know, basically a 24-hour worth of surrendering is what we're asking of
31:46
you. But you got to keep your eye on the prize. You know, you've heard these
31:49
guys. You've had Brett Favre on the show who has been public about his time down
31:53
at Ambio. You know, you've you've you've heard from the people that you trust,
31:59
all these Navy Seals. I when people are questioning the effectiveness of this
32:04
medicine, I like to say, how many millions of dollars was invested into
32:10
each individual Navy Seal to make them good at making judgment calls? And they
32:16
are all saying this is one of the best things they've ever done in their life.
32:19
And green berets.
32:20
>> Yeah. And green berets and rangers and delta forests,
32:24
>> you know.
32:25
>> So you're getting that those types of responses. Those these are the because a
32:29
lot of those people have tried other everything. Yeah.
32:34
>> Yeah. And you're you're they're saying, "Hey, this really was uh well worth it.
32:40
This was the best thing that I've ever done for my my health and wellness."
32:44
Because it's all about it's all about recovery for somebody who is suffering.
32:49
>> Yeah.
32:50
>> You know, this is not just a go down to Tijuana and take a journey.
32:54
>> Yeah. No, it's it's it's work. It's taxing. It's people call it the Mount
33:01
Everest of psychedelics because it's it is challenging. But, you know,
33:08
kind of somewhat famous, Instagram famous at least and and beyond people
33:14
that have been public about their time at Ambio are people like Shawn Ryan. He
33:19
hasn't had a drink since he came through Ambio. Really, it's dramatically changed
33:24
his life. Uh Tony Cen is a former Green Beret. Patrick uh Flattley is a Green
33:32
Beret with an incredible story.
33:35
>> Okay.
33:35
>> He was he was at the end of his rope before I gain. DJ Shipley
33:41
>> is featured in in Waves and War. Mattie Roberts featured in the same. He was a
33:46
very reluctant
33:49
>> guest of Ambio. His life has been made better. We've seen uh I I treated a one
33:56
of the most treatment resistant people I have ever seen was a woman who came
34:02
through for treatment. She had 10 years before she had slipped while
34:09
walking down cement stairs and bashed the back of her head and it destroyed
34:14
her life. She couldn't go outside anymore. She was debilitated. It was
34:21
ruining her family incredibly hard. Her husband saw me on Shawn Ryan's podcast,
34:27
episode 30. If you want to check it out, it's a good one. And
34:32
he said, "I really think you should do this." She flew from Philadelphia
34:37
to San Diego. Flying was impossible for her. He said,
34:43
"You need help flying." It was
34:44
>> Yeah. Crystal has to go with me. when when we flew to Florida, Crystal and my
34:49
wife is of course huge, but I know that when I go, my wife's not allowed.
34:54
>> Yeah.
34:54
>> So, well, she's allowed, but
34:57
>> not good to have your spouse with you to go through this journey. That's what
35:02
people I've talked to said is keep your
35:04
>> Yeah. So, she came out on her own. She which gave her debilitating headaches
35:08
for a couple of days. When she came to Ambio, she was not participating in the
35:13
groups. She reluctantly came to a meal, skipped another meal. So very treatment
35:20
resistant. Did not want to be there. She took Ibagane. The next day she said, "I
35:26
want to go home." I'm like, "Well, you need some sleep first. At least get some
35:29
sleep and then if you want to go home, I'll get you back to the hotel. You can
35:33
do whatever you want." So she did leave the next day and then her hus she so she
35:39
would have left on a Thursday. She was I encouraged her to wait just one more day
35:44
to finish the program on Friday. She didn't want to. So she didn't do the 5me
35:48
DMT component of it. She went home. I get a call from her husband on Monday
35:54
saying, "I have a list of 19 things that has already improved in my life and she
36:02
has now become a huge spokesperson for Iba Gain." So yeah, so she she basically
36:08
considers herself completely healed now. And like her her whole family was on
36:13
pins and needles. Like even they went out for ice cream or something shortly
36:18
after she got home and her granddaughter is like cuz it was a busy ice cream
36:22
shop. Her granddaughter is like, you know, nana, do you need to go home?
36:27
She's like, no, I'm completely fine. So her entire family had been conditioned
36:32
to make room for these symptoms of TBI and now they don't have to do that
36:36
whatsoever.
36:37
>> So now what's the difference between mushrooms Iasa and the other
36:42
psychedelics?
36:44
>> I'll tell you a funny story to describe that. So I had um I was on a a panel for
36:50
a psychedelic medicine conference in Toronto many years ago before I started
36:56
Ambio and um I I had run another Abigain company in Vancouver before that called
37:01
Liberty Route and there it was a lovely panel and one of the people on the panel
37:06
was uh a Nicaraguan kind of shaman woman and she seemed
37:11
pretty legitimate and somebody asked that question what's the difference
37:14
between the medicines and her colorful answer was, "Well, the mushrooms we call
37:19
lasos, the little children. They're playful. They're fun. They can still do
37:25
great healing, but we call them lasos." And owasa, we call her the grandmother.
37:31
And that's a very common term for iawaska is the grandmother. And she
37:36
called cactus like peyote and San Pedro. She called that the grandfather.
37:43
And I've sometimes heard Ibogga referred to as the grandfather. So I kind of
37:48
looked down the the row at her and I said, "Well, what about Ibogga?" And she
37:52
goes, "Oh, it's the master." So, you know, there's there's one
37:59
answer, but mushrooms are incredibly powerful and therapeutic to take uh you
38:06
know, a 3 to five gram dose of mushrooms, put on a blindfold, put on
38:11
headphones, go deep into yourself. I probably sat for about a hundred people
38:16
doing that. When I couldn't work with IBOGA in Vancouver for a couple of
38:21
years, I did sit for a lot of people on mushrooms. I've seen it completely knock
38:25
alcoholism and cocaine addiction a away gone. Um, I've seen it completely cure
38:33
OCD. I've seen Ibane do these things as well, but I'm just saying mushrooms are
38:38
awesome. Mushrooms are also fun. You know, like
38:46
I to be brutally honest, recreational drug consumption is how I got into this
38:52
line of work. You know, when I grew up LSD and I I grew up in Nancy Reagan's
38:59
Just Say No to Drugs era, I thought for sure I would just say no to drugs. And
39:04
but something in me was always like, "Yeah, but the the Beatles seem cool and
39:08
they seem to like that LSD stuff." So my first opportunity to try LSD, I did. And
39:14
it seemed kind of remarkable. And I remember saying to my friends one time
39:19
when I tried it, I'm like, "This is what adults have forgotten that has made the
39:24
world so messed up." Like there was just some kind of a therapeutic lesson that
39:28
came through even though I had no idea that it could be therapeutic. Although
39:34
LSD as well invented by Sandos Pharmaceuticals in the mid1 1950s was
39:40
sent out to every psychiatrist and psychologist that that was interested in
39:45
the time saying we've discovered this unique molecule. You should try it out.
39:50
One of the massive uh research institutions for LSD was in Wayburn,
39:56
Saskatchewan in Canada. Um they put they used uh LSD on I believe over the years
40:04
756 people with alcohol use disorder with a
40:09
more than 50% success rate on treating people with LSD.
40:13
>> That's high.
40:14
>> Yeah. Um
40:15
>> that's very high.
40:16
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40:25
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>> It's funny how you do psychedelics to get off of doing psychedelics.
43:07
>> Well,
43:07
>> well, you not to get off psychedelics. To get off, you know, psychedelic, the
43:12
word means mind or soul manifesting. And I think that's actually a great term for
43:17
it because at least what's happening when you're taking them is you're
43:21
manifesting a different level of mind than you are used to. But when using it
43:26
to treat something like uh alcoholism or even heroin addiction and
43:33
IA as well is another powerful healing modality. I've seen a lot of people
43:38
helped with that. Um, but I like the metaphor of it's like using a powder keg
43:45
to blow out an oil well fire,
43:49
>> you know, it's just so much powerful. It's just
43:53
>> snuffs it out.
43:54
>> I I love the the the lo ninños regarding the mushrooms because my my alcoholism
44:01
or my struggle with alcohol ended fortunately eight years ago, but it
44:05
ended with two strokes in seven days.
44:07
>> Wow. So it would have been interesting if I could have kicked the habit you
44:12
know through a I gain journey shall we say tell us how let's get into kind of
44:20
the topical science how does I I gain help with drug detoxification and
44:26
addiction recovery well the word reset comes up a lot and I
44:33
think ibagane is a very powerful negative pattern interrupter.
44:39
So like what there's so little science on
44:45
this right now, but it is a visionary plant medicine. So I remember one of the
44:49
early clients that I worked with, she said that when she was on the medicine,
44:54
she was shown herself her body at the cellular level and the opiates that she
45:01
was using. She was a morphine user. It showed that on the cell the the opiate
45:07
had gked up the receptors and it showed that the ibagane was able to come in and
45:14
clean those receptors so that they looked brand new again. So that's one
45:20
example. Um for me I quit drinking because of an
45:26
IBOGA journey. I had no desire or intent to stop drinking going into this. I
45:33
drank, you know, as as much as any average Canadian does. Probably. We grew
45:39
up with the drinking culture. No, the world never told me, "You have a
45:44
drinking problem." I knew spiritually something wasn't right with the the way
45:49
I was drinking. And I went into a journey and it was a journey led by a
45:55
friend of mine who has been trained in Africa and he had this guided way of
46:00
taking people through an Ibagane journey and he had me fly into my front yard at
46:05
the time which was one of the treatment houses I was working out of at the time
46:10
it and he said find a tree. I found the we had these two beautiful cherry trees
46:16
in the front yard and it was the time of year that they were flowering. So these
46:20
be this beautiful pink flowery tree and he said go up to that tree. So this is
46:25
all in my vision I did. So he said give that tree a hug. So I gave the tree a
46:30
hug in my vision and then he said um ask that tree what the purpose of life is.
46:36
And I asked the tree what the purpose of life is. And the tree said it's to
46:40
flower.
46:41
>> And I thought what a perfect answer about what the perfect what the the
46:45
purpose of life is. And then he had me ask the tree a question something about
46:51
my negative tendencies and how to get rid of the negativity in my life. And
46:55
the tree said, "Stop watering your weeds."
47:00
>> And that spoke to me of alcohol. Like I wasn't necessarily hung over after that
47:05
bottle of wine, but I was watering my depression. I was watering my
47:09
procrastination, you know? So that happened in that
47:13
journey. And he also had me, Ibogga is known as an ancestor medicine.
47:19
So before we started the journey, he had me write out you know what what are some
47:23
things what are your intents? What would you like to accomplish? I said I would
47:27
love to see my grandma and grandpa who had passed. So he kind of brought me to
47:31
my grandma and grandpa. My grandma came through with her regular unconditionally
47:36
loving energy. And my grandpa came through and my grandpa was a World War
47:40
II vet. He saw some crazy stuff in that war. He never quite reconciled what he
47:47
saw. He lived with shell shock that we call PTSD now. His the only time he felt
47:53
comfortable was sitting in the the Canadian Legion speaking to fellow
47:58
fellow veterans drinking beer. He was not a horrible drunk, but he would could
48:05
easily drink a a 24 case of beer in a night, no problem. Mhm.
48:10
>> Um and that really impacted my mother and that was one of the reasons I think
48:16
I really have compassion for people who are addicted to anything was just my
48:22
mom's kind of the way she shared about her her father's addiction. But my
48:28
grandfather came to me in this journey and the one thing he said to me is he
48:32
said you need to stop drinking for my lineage.
48:37
>> It was just a super clear message. And the next day I'm sitting there speaking
48:42
to Mark, the guy that gave me the medicine. I'm like, man, all this stuff
48:45
came up around my drinking. And he had quit drinking and using cocaine because
48:51
he needed to. And that's why he came to Aboga the first time is he really needed
48:55
to help end his addiction. And he said, you know, there's an argument to be made
49:00
that somebody in this line of work needs to hold themselves to a higher standard.
49:04
And I said, I can see that. So maybe I'll try and stop drinking. I went home
49:11
the the next day. I was driving by the bar I always hung out at. And I I had a
49:17
I had a bit of an urge to go in there and flirt with the bartender I always
49:21
flirt with and see the people I know in there. And I called Mark thankfully and
49:25
I said, "Man, I I have I feel like going to this bar." He's like, "You don't have
49:29
to stop drinking forever, but at least while this medicine is in your system,
49:33
give it a give it a day at least." I listened to him. I went home. I went to
49:37
bed. I woke up the next day and all desire to drink completely fell away
49:42
joyously. Like if I had to be the designated driver or something before
49:46
that, I would be miserable. I would frankly be the drunk driver or the
49:51
drinking driver more often than I was the designated driver. And after that, I
49:57
could hang out with people who were drinking no problem. I um I've come to
50:02
discover we're in a golden age of non-alcoholic beers, which has been
50:05
nice. There's a great non-alcoholic IPA out there that I like. So, yeah, I the
50:11
biggest gift I has ever given me besides the incredible people that has it has
50:16
brought into my life is uh yeah, not drinking anymore. I don't miss that at
50:21
all. What uh so in the rooms the 12step rooms one of the sayings is do do not
50:27
leave the rooms before the miracle happens and it sounds like you you
50:32
experienced your miracle on that on that journey.
50:36
>> Yeah. And you know with the 12 steps, one of the
50:42
one of the biggest and most important steps is that recognition of the higher
50:47
power
50:48
>> and surrendering your issues to that higher power. And a lot of people have a
50:52
really hard time with that. But after an experience like this,
50:58
>> you kind of understand what a higher power might be.
51:01
>> There was something in that tree that was talking to you.
51:04
>> Exactly. Yeah. Well, in that movie do you mentioned earlier that follows this
51:08
lovely woman named Adrianne through um using ibogga and using ibagane and
51:16
psilocybin to overcome heroin addiction. And she
51:22
had tried AA again and again and again and it just didn't work for her. But
51:26
after her mushroom journey and her IBOGA journey, AA made total sense to her and
51:32
she used that for ongoing maintenance without any stress afterwards. So they
51:37
they do work together in my opinion.
51:39
>> And I want to say congratulations since we're talking about addiction. What did
51:44
you just celebrate?
51:45
>> Eight years.
51:46
>> Nice.
51:47
>> Of what?
51:48
>> U being sober. No, no alcohol. So
51:51
>> dude, ain't that awesome?
51:52
>> Yeah, it it's a miracle. That's for sure. He takes me up and he goes, "I
51:57
just got my 8-year coin." Wow. Cool.
52:00
>> Yeah. Yeah. That was that it Well, my miracle happened and in the hospital
52:04
after my second stroke in seven days, standing up and saying, "Uh, if I keep
52:10
doing this, I'm dead. I want the opportunity to walk my daughter down the
52:14
aisle." And boom.
52:16
>> Wow.
52:16
>> Boom.
52:18
>> 90 seconds of thinking about alcohol in the past.
52:20
>> Surrendering to a higher power. Even if it's just the higher power is I want to
52:24
see the future with my my daughter.
52:27
>> Well, and that's what happened with me and you remember this.
52:31
>> Mhm.
52:32
>> Is for the three months after the last
52:36
accident, I got in a major TBI in uh
52:42
November of 2022. And I could tell you for at least 3
52:50
months, maybe a year, that I wouldn't be alive tomorrow.
52:54
>> Wow.
52:55
>> I couldn't guarantee it. And I finally got with the right
52:59
doctors, Dr. Victor Kzer, and got with Christie and got with Crystal who's
53:07
sitting over there. And Christy Ferguson at Texas Health asked
53:14
me, "What do you want to do?" I said, "I
53:18
want to walk my daughter down the aisle."
53:20
>> Wow.
53:21
>> I want to live long enough to walk my daughter down the aisle. So, we made
53:26
steps for me to do that.
53:30
>> And because of everybody and everyone surrounding me, I was able to walk my
53:36
daughter down the aisle.
53:37
>> Beautiful. And you know and it is that higher power. I do not believe
53:46
you cannot deal with the TBI. You cannot deal with CTE. You cannot deal with
53:53
brain injury without your religion.
53:56
>> Yeah.
53:57
>> I'm 100% convinced that God kept me alive for a reason.
54:04
It wasn't because I'll tell you what, I went out to the scene of the wreck and
54:09
sat there. I've sat out in my round pin with my horse thinking about
54:15
suicide. You know, I've done I've Well, what's
54:20
that one dream I had? I woke up and I could smell the gunpowder.
54:25
>> Oh.
54:25
>> And the pressure in my mouth.
54:28
>> Mhm.
54:29
>> From eating a bullet.
54:30
>> Wow. when you have signs like that and I've
54:35
never had suicidal thoughts never until that accident
54:40
and now I am clinically diagnosed traumatic encphylopathy syndrome. I have
54:45
proof of brain damage. I have proof of repeated head impacts. I have proof of
54:51
everything. And I have for a long time well we were supposed to have you on a
54:56
couple months ago. a long time wanted to get in with Ambio and go, "Hey,
55:02
>> I want to hear this. I want I want it out of the horse's mouth.
55:07
>> You know, I've I've talked to special operators. I've talked to athletes. I've
55:13
talked to people that's been down to your facilities. And I even saw your new
55:17
facility on Instagram the other day with a great guy,
55:23
>> Marcus Latrell."
55:24
>> Marcus Latrell.
55:26
>> Yeah. you know, and you want to talk about badass, there you go.
55:30
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>> Saved his life. That's what got uh former Texas Governor Rick Perry
57:04
interested in Ibagane, which has led to the Americans for Ibagane initiative,
57:09
which now let's talk about that. Let me We're coming down to about seven
57:13
minutes, so let's talk about
57:14
>> Let's talk about that. So, I messaged uh Brian Hubard, who is the CEO of
57:18
Americans for Ibagane, right before the show, I said,
57:23
>> "What are who are the states that uh are currently looking into investigating
57:29
Ibagain?" So, this started with Texas. Texas signed a bill to dedicate $50
57:35
million worth of money to trying to get Ibagane through clinical trials. Ibagane
57:41
needs this state and public help because it's a plant molecule. You can't patent
57:48
it in the same way that a pharmaceutical company might patent a drug to try and
57:54
make it worthwhile to take it through clinical trials. So, Mississippi has
58:00
just yesterday I got a message from or a phone call from Senator Josh Harkin. He
58:05
they have passed a bill to put $5 million into this kitty. And basically
58:11
the goal is states allocate money to this clinical
58:17
trial or series of clinical trials. Americans for Ibagane will quarterback
58:22
that to make sure that, you know, every state still gets some research in its
58:27
own state. A university in the state will be involved, but Mississippi just
58:31
put $5 million towards it. Uh Oklahoma has passed. Missouri has passed.
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Tennessee has passed and is putting money into it. West Virginia, I didn't
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know that. Al and then here are the other states pursuing IANE legislation
58:47
during their 2026 sessions. Alabama, Colorado, Oklahoma, Mississippi, I
58:52
mentioned Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Michigan, Maryland, West Virginia,
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Idaho, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Oregon. So, there's a lot of interest in
59:02
trying to get this made into a pharmaceutical drug that we will be
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available.
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>> And what are the two states that are already done? It's at least Mississippi,
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Texas, Arizona, and I think the So, he says West
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Virginia passed House of Delegates 98 to zero. So, no opposition.
59:23
>> Wow.
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>> Um,
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>> passed one of three votes in state senate. The subsequent two votes are to
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be scheduled. Mississippi passed the House of Representatives 110 to one. So,
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only one person opposing. passed the Senate today, yesterday, 51 to1.
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Amendments by the Senate are being sent to the House for consent vote, which
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will be successful. Oklahoma passed the House Health Services Committee
59:54
unanimously and is now headed to the full house. Missouri passed the House
59:59
Health Services Committee 8-2. Hearing held by the Senate in Missouri 3
1:00:05
to2 vote next week. Tennessee bills referred to hearing in House Public
1:00:10
Health Committee 3 to 10 and Senate Finance Committee 3 to 24. I I don't
1:00:16
think those are good numbers, but all other states have been filed or are in
1:00:20
drafting. I'm actually flying to Columbus, Ohio to speak to a bunch of uh
1:00:26
politicians I think in a week or two as well.
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>> Well, and I just remembered Joe Rogan had Robert Kennedy on talking about
1:00:34
psychedelics. Did you see that? I did see it.
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>> Tell me a little bit about that.
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>> Well, I think what really needs what to me what I think lowhanging fruit is
1:00:45
around Ibagane in particular is it is currently schedule one in the United
1:00:50
States. And schedule one means that there's a high chance for abuse and
1:00:55
anyone who has taken Ibeane knows that there is zero chance of abuse and it
1:01:00
fixes abuse of other substances. Plus, it says that there is no medical
1:01:06
benefit, and I gain clearly has medical benefit. It's all we've been talking
1:01:11
about for the last hour. So, I think to change the scheduling of it would be a
1:01:16
really great move that Robert F. Kennedy might be able to pull off. Um, but yeah,
1:01:22
he seems there he he mentioned the FDA that the head of the FDA is very
1:01:27
interested in making a path forward for psychedelic therapy, it seems. And so
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with this being said, Paul, me and Trevor talked earlier today.
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>> Okay. What type of pact are you doing? What's going on?
1:01:42
>> He's willing to sponsor the podcast.
1:01:46
>> We would We would be honored. Absolutely.
1:01:48
>> Under one condition.
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>> Okay. What do Yeah.
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>> In order to sponsor our podcast, we have to go do the IBA game.
1:01:56
>> You have to get down there. Yes. We we have to get down there.
1:02:02
>> Everything you just heard, would you be game to go to San Diego?
1:02:07
>> I don't put them on the spot like this. This is not a way to get somebody to
1:02:11
take on the rubber on public.
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>> Yeah. Well, we'll we'll we'll have conversations. You know, I' I've I've
1:02:19
done stuff uh worse uh on my own in college. So,
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>> I don't know you've done worse. Well, I I I I I'm excited. The the fact is I'm
1:02:30
excited that uh I gain is getting her uh the message of Ivane and its qualities
1:02:37
and the medicable medicinal purposes and use and the results all of a sudden are
1:02:45
being uh heard amplified and heard in the state legislatores by $15 million
1:02:52
awarded from the state of Texas. that's gonna help cover a a couple clinical
1:02:57
trials and you you're you're it's getting its due.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, um and uh I think that is so important for some of these medicines
1:03:07
that Yeah. They can't be patented in the the normal way and you know,
1:03:15
but if they work and they're helping people get off of danger dangerous drugs
1:03:20
like heroin, cocaine, alcohol, you you name it.
1:03:24
>> Fixing TBI, repeated blast exposure, PTSD,
1:03:30
>> and everything. I mean, you know me, I'd be the first person to
1:03:38
tell you ain't a damn chance of me doing IBA game.
1:03:44
>> You know, you will never get me to smoke pot. You will never get me to do none of
1:03:49
that.
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>> All right, Corey. But I'll tell you, after listening to Trevor, doing my
1:03:56
research, and talking to people, because everyone I've talked to has said exactly
1:04:02
what you just said earlier, that I gain is not an addictive drug.
1:04:11
And that's my biggest fear because of being from an alcoholic
1:04:17
family. You know, I'm not an alcoholic. I've for some reason I don't have that
1:04:22
addictive personality. Thank God. And it's probably God that took that away
1:04:29
from me. But it's also a fear at doing drugs is I don't want to become the bum
1:04:36
out on the corner and stealing stuff to get my next fix.
1:04:42
>> Yeah. And every one of the people I've talked
1:04:46
to about Ibagain has said that don't worry about it. This drug does not do
1:04:51
that.
1:04:51
>> Let me finish with one incredible transformational story. So we had a
1:04:55
gentleman who came through for treatment. He had been a vet he was a
1:05:00
veteran. He had been blown up by one of the worst IEDs
1:05:05
explosions I've ever heard of while he was serving. He was suffering from that.
1:05:09
He retired and then he got in a road rage incident. He was not the rager. He
1:05:17
got shot in the head by a rager and he survived getting shot in the head with a
1:05:24
9 millimeter. He he still had shrapnel in his forehead, but he survived. But
1:05:30
since that, he hadn't been able to go outside without sunglasses on. He was
1:05:34
incredibly sensitive to light. He needed a cane to walk because he had balance
1:05:40
issues and he hadn't made love to his wife since that happened. He came down
1:05:44
to Ambio recommended by a friend of his. Came in with his cane, went through the
1:05:50
treatment that I described today. Left our clinic without needing his cane. He
1:05:56
left us his cane as a souvenir. Didn't need the sunglasses anymore except to
1:06:01
look cool. Went home, made love to his wife.
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>> So, just sign me up. remarkable transformation.
1:06:08
>> Now, results may vary and they do vary, but man, I've seen some incredible
1:06:13
stuff.
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>> Can you put up the website and the link, please, to ambio.life?
1:06:20
>> Cool. There's our website.
1:06:22
>> You go there, you click on it, do your homework, and for someone that's
1:06:28
interested, what do they do once they get to the website?
1:06:31
>> You click apply now, which is further down on that website. But I go to that
1:06:35
website. We have an incredible 20 minute video on there. We've got some veterans
1:06:40
like Cody Alfred, uh Tony Cen, uh former NHL player from here in
1:06:48
Dallas, Alish Hemsky, talking about their experiences with us. We have
1:06:53
shorter videos describing each of the different programs with us. And then if
1:06:57
they're interested in coming, they can just click apply now and come on down.
1:07:00
>> And so what is the process real quick? is now I'm going to have to go on there
1:07:06
and do the apply now, right? And fill out all that.
1:07:09
>> Click apply now, fill out an application. Our intake team will reach
1:07:14
out to you, give you a bit of an interview, and then we look at the
1:07:18
calendar, pick a date, then you need to get an EKG and blood work done prior to
1:07:22
arrival. We do that upon arrival as well. But, um, yeah, it's relatively
1:07:28
easy. I think the hardest part might be. We have a bit of a waiting list right
1:07:32
now, but you know someone, so I'll do what I can for you.
1:07:36
>> Trevor, what a honor it has been to talk with you about this and uh I know we
1:07:43
were trying to do it sooner, but now was the perfect time, right?
1:07:46
>> Really was.
1:07:47
>> So, uh it's it sounds like we always end with a word of hope and that story that
1:07:52
you just gave kind of and wrapped it up in a nice bow right now. So, uh, we
1:07:58
appreciate everything you do at Ambio to bring, uh, life back to, uh, your
1:08:04
clients and your the people that suffer
1:08:06
>> and our veterans.
1:08:07
>> And Yep. Absolutely.
1:08:08
>> You know, there's nothing more important to me than our veterans.
1:08:12
>> Yep.
1:08:13
>> Them are the people that keep us to do what we do, talk on a podcast, do Ambio,
1:08:20
do all of this is because of our veterans.
1:08:23
>> Absolutely. And we're gonna have uh on our next show, we're gonna we're going
1:08:27
to be recording with um a Colonel and Bowling
1:08:31
>> Colonel Bowling. And uh we're we're excited for that show as well. So,
1:08:35
>> Right.
1:08:36
>> Awesome.
1:08:36
>> Thank you, TR. It's been a pleasure.