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Real conversations about following Jesus when life doesn't slow down — from a pastor who's still figuring it out too.
I'm a pastor, which means I spend a significant amount of time telling other people how to live. And if I'm truthful with you, there are weeks where I'll finish a sermon, drive home, and by Tuesday, I've already lost a battle that I preached about on Sunday. I know the truth, I believe the truth, and I still feel the pull. Now if you've ever wondered whether it's just you, whether the people who seem to have it together are actually just better at hiding it, well, this episode is for you. My wife, Christie, is about to ask me some questions I can't dodge.
Pastor Greg Rains:This is the God Made Podcast because Sunday doesn't fix everything. Well, here we are. We're getting finally to do our first episode of this podcast together. We're supposed to be together last week in episode one, and you decided you would go substitute teach and catch something from one of those little rugrats and get sick, so you had to miss the first one because you were feeling pretty terrible last week, but here we are finally getting to do this and for some reason I'm gonna let you ask me some questions. I do reserve the right to say I'm not answering them though, just so you know.
Pastor Greg Rains:And for full transparency, I have had the chance to kind of get a glimpse at kind of where you're going with this, but I still may say no to some of
Kristi Rains:I may throw in a new one that you don't know about.
Pastor Greg Rains:Yeah, and we got the power of editing to cut those out.
Kristi Rains:All right, well we all have this list of things we're going to stop doing, basically sins that we struggle with, And we give all sorts of reasons why we don't stop. Our lives are busy. We're stressed out. Oh, the kids got on my nerves, and I I lost it and sinned again. Just a bucket list of excuses.
Kristi Rains:Do you think that we deep down really believe those excuses, or are we trying to hide something else?
Pastor Greg Rains:I think it's a little bit of both. I I don't think it's not really a little bit of both. No. I don't think deep down we believe those excuses, but I do think a lot of times we convince ourselves that we do. You know, we'll we'll make up these reasons why we do certain things, and they sound really good, so we convince ourselves that's really the truth of why we are giving in to whatever it is, you know, whatever our temptation is or whatever struggle we have going on.
Pastor Greg Rains:But that's not the way God designed us, so I don't think there is any way that deep down when you really get into it, there's you can't deep down really believe that about yourself because God didn't make you that way. God made you to be in his image. So I do think people convince themselves of that though. I think I've convinced myself of that at times, and you probably have too. Don't know.
Kristi Rains:Yeah. I have. I have. So when did you catch yourself doing this?
Pastor Greg Rains:That's a hard question. I don't know that I can pinpoint an exact time, but I I know I mean, I know that I've done it. I know that I have made the excuse to to doing things. Well, I guess an easy one, is, you know, I've always struggled with weight, and and I've always you know, I was big boned growing up is what they always told me, but it's not. I was not always just overeating, just eating things that weren't good for me.
Pastor Greg Rains:And, still got a long way to go, but I I've lost some weight in the last couple of years, and, I'll I'll get to where I wanna go. But, you know, just, I've always just made the excuse. That's the way I'm made. I've got the genetics to to be overweight, all those kind of things, and just made reasons for it to to say, well, that's the way the reason I am the way I am. It wasn't true.
Pastor Greg Rains:I do have the genetics to be overweight, which means I need to try harder not to be. So
Kristi Rains:K. Alright. Well, there's a passage in James in chapter one that says temptation doesn't come from our circumstances, that it comes from our own desires. And if you really believe that and and take that as the truth, that's hard to hear that it's in within us, especially when the circumstances are difficult in your life. Walk me through what that means in a real real life, real example.
Pastor Greg Rains:Well, first, why do you think it's hard to to hear that? Do you think it's just because it's pointing the finger back at us?
Kristi Rains:Are you asking me?
Pastor Greg Rains:Yeah. I'm asking you. I get to ask questions too.
Kristi Rains:Oh, no. That's not part of the deal. It is now. It's probably hard because we we don't wanna take on that that blame that we want to have a reason that it's happening that that we can't stop sinning. We don't want it to be our fault.
Kristi Rains:We want it to be someone else's fault. We wanna play the victim.
Pastor Greg Rains:Yeah. I think you just answered the question.
Kristi Rains:Well, okay. Let's move on.
Pastor Greg Rains:No. I mean, I I don't have a whole lot to add to that. I think it's true. I I don't I don't want my sin to be my fault. I want it to be somebody else's, or nature or whatever.
Pastor Greg Rains:I don't want it to be me. So I think that's natural human avoidance. We just it wasn't my fault. Was your fault, or it was their fault, or it was its fault, or whatever. So, mean, I think that obviously plays out in everything in our life if you really think about it.
Kristi Rains:Yeah. Alright. So let's get real specific on applying this to real life.
Pastor Greg Rains:Yeah.
Kristi Rains:And I'm reading the question so I get specific. Okay. Alright. There's a guy who's working two jobs. His marriage is strained.
Kristi Rains:He's exhausted, and he ends up looking at something he shouldn't on his phone at 11:00 at night. He'd say stress made him do it. And what do you say to that?
Pastor Greg Rains:Well, I would say in the moment, stress might have been the thing that pushed him over where he he did just give in, but there are so many layers to that. Yeah. In the moment, maybe it was stress, but why is he working two jobs? Is it is it because he is trying to make sure that he's got you know, achieving all these things, where like material, you know, you've got a nicer house, nicer car, all these things. Or, why is his marriage on the rocks?
Pastor Greg Rains:Is it because of how he's treating his wife? Is that all just kinda working together? I mean, really, when you pull the layers back obviously, we don't I mean, it's a kind of a made up situation, but if you were to talk to someone in that situation and you start pulling all the layers back, it's a contributing factor, or there are contributing factors that cause you to have to work two jobs. There are contributing factors that cause you to have to or that cause you to have to, that cause your your marriage to get kinda shaky and contributing factors that's caused the stress in your life and the financial issues in your life. And then, ultimately, maybe that stress pushes over the top, but that's not what caused it.
Pastor Greg Rains:It was choices you were making all along a path that's causing that to happen.
Kristi Rains:It's like layers of sin. Yeah. It's just sin. This is the, consequences.
Pastor Greg Rains:Yeah. It just piles up and pile there's always consequences to sin. And you may not see them for years down the road, but that all just piles up and piles up and piles up, and then you don't even realize what sin maybe you don't realize what it sin started the whole thing, but now it's causing something that you never even thought it would cause, like going down that road of of looking at things that you shouldn't look at, like pornography or whatever.
Kristi Rains:So that is just another consequence of all of your choices. So that that's pretty deep. I mean
Pastor Greg Rains:Well, thank you.
Kristi Rains:No. I didn't mean that kind thing.
Pastor Greg Rains:Okay. Okay.
Kristi Rains:I mean, that's a deep problem layers upon layers. What what does this guy do?
Pastor Greg Rains:I mean, the first is to acknowledge that it's not the stress that's causing it. It's actions that you've done in the past. Like, bringing it into the light is the first step. You know, we've talked about before. Sin always grows in the darkness.
Pastor Greg Rains:So if you bring it into the light, you know, and start pinpointing and maybe you never get back to the original thing that caused it, but you can start pinpointing, yeah, I did this because of this because of this because of this. And you just start seeing it pile up, then you go to confession. And then from that point, there's
Kristi Rains:Or not Catholic.
Pastor Greg Rains:Oh, you know what I mean. Not Catholic confession, but confession just between you and the Lord. I'm not go to confession. You go to the Lord and confess in your basement, in your bathroom, whatever you wanna do. Get along with the Lord and just say, I've really messed this up.
Pastor Greg Rains:How do I fix it?
Kristi Rains:Right. That can almost seem hopeless for for somebody to how do they dig themselves out of that. So that I mean, I guess the first thing is just surrender to to the Lord.
Pastor Greg Rains:Yeah. You can't dig yourself out of it. I mean, when when you're in, you can't dig yourself out. Once you're in the hole, you're in the hole. You gotta have somebody else pull you out, and the only one's Jesus.
Pastor Greg Rains:It's the only way you're getting out.
Kristi Rains:Alright. So here's another scenario. What about the person that just doesn't show up anymore? They're just they just stopped. They're not coming to church.
Kristi Rains:They're not going to their small group. They're, not doing anything that requires any spiritual like, any effort spiritually. They and you hear this all the time, and we say it ourselves sometimes. Life's just too busy. Life's just too full right now.
Kristi Rains:Is that a legitimate reason for all of what they're doing, or is it just an excuse? And how do you tell that difference?
Pastor Greg Rains:Well, I think it's just an excuse. First, before you even dig into that, you've got to look at church and and and not realize it's not legalism. It's I I don't have to be there. I mean, it's not like the law. It's I need to be there so that I can pour into people and they can pour into me.
Pastor Greg Rains:I need to be there to be encouraged. I need to be there to grow my faith. So that that's the first layer. You've got to to get away from the I have to do this and check it off kind of thing. But once you do that, then you start looking.
Pastor Greg Rains:Why are you missing? You know? What's causing the busyness? Why are you piling all this stuff up? Maybe you need to stop doing a few things.
Pastor Greg Rains:But even a deeper question and I talked about this. If you were at our church on Sunday, I I I threw this question out there. If you're missing church, would you call into work for that same thing? If you are skipping out on serving in some way, would you would you go to God and say, I'm just not in the mood today, or I'm tired today? I mean, you do go to God and say that in reality.
Pastor Greg Rains:I mean, would you go to your boss and say that? Would you you show up to work tomorrow and, you know, you were out too late last night. Are you gonna go your boss and say, I'm a little tired today. I don't think I wanna do anything. I'm just gonna kinda chill out.
Pastor Greg Rains:You're probably losing your job at that point unless you got, like, a really cool boss who just lets you do whatever you wanna do. But most of the time, it's not gonna go well. So it it's an excuse. There's no legitimate reason to not be walking, in lockstep with the Lord, making sure you're plugged into your church. Not a legitimate reasons.
Pastor Greg Rains:There's all kinds of fake reasons. I use them too.
Kristi Rains:Yeah. It's basically priorities.
Pastor Greg Rains:It is. It's all priorities. That's a good way to put it. I mean, it's this is more important to me this week. And and it's things that they're not sinful in themself.
Pastor Greg Rains:You know? Like, we're parents. We got kids in sports. Say, for instance, for say our daughter is in a in a basketball tournament this weekend, so I'm skipping church because we gotta be in a basketball tournament. Now once, that's probably fine, but when that becomes a habit, what are you teaching the kid for starters?
Pastor Greg Rains:And number two, would you call your boss tomorrow and say, I won't be there. We got a basketball tournament.
Kristi Rains:A lot of people who take their faith seriously would push back on this whole conversation and they'd say, No, it's spiritual warfare. I'm being attacked. I'm being targeted. The enemy is working against me. How do you I mean, that's not an excuse.
Kristi Rains:That's real. Spiritual warfare is real. So how do you hold spiritual warfare versus your internal struggles that you're causing yourself?
Pastor Greg Rains:Well, I mean, like you just said, spiritual warfare is real. There's no way around it. Scripture's clear. The enemy has a a plan. His whole plan is to steal, kill, and destroy everything about you.
Pastor Greg Rains:He wants to take you out. He doesn't want anybody else coming to Jesus because of you because he's already lost you. So his whole plan, take you out. Where we get stuck is when we blame him for everything we do, we're giving him more power than he actually has. The enemy cannot create anything.
Pastor Greg Rains:He's not able to instill a desire within you to do certain things. But what he can do is he can look at that desire that you have exposed through your own behavior and say, I know this gets Christie. I know she's really tempted by this. And now as soon as you open the door, he can slam that door open and push you through it, to where you you he he just he knows all the buttons to push, but he can't make that desire happen within you. You know?
Pastor Greg Rains:We can't blame him for what's happening within ourself. On the flip side, spiritual warfare is real and he's going use every tool at his disposal including those things that he knows tempts you and pulls you away.
Kristi Rains:So what do you think? I guess it's different from person to person, but when you were talking about what our struggles are,
Pastor Greg Rains:what
Kristi Rains:forms those in us? Is it past trauma, past experiences? What makes us so weak against some things but so strong against another?
Pastor Greg Rains:I had never thought about that question, to be honest with you, so thanks for putting me on the spot.
Kristi Rains:Yes, that's what I do.
Pastor Greg Rains:It's kind of hard to answer that. Why do you struggle with something I don't struggle with or vice versa? I don't know. I mean, we're all born with a natural desire for things that are not godly. I mean, we have that within us, just this desire to sin.
Pastor Greg Rains:And while some of us are more prone to some sins than others, I don't really know why that is. Maybe maybe some of that is exposure in environment. Maybe it's because you experienced something at one point, maybe even before you were a Christian, and you really enjoyed it, so now you want more of it. Kind of in a sense like like someone who's been exposed to drugs and gets addicted to them. Know, they get that taste, and then they just gotta keep having it.
Pastor Greg Rains:Or like that idea of chumming water for a shark. They get the taste of the blood and they just gotta keep coming back for more. Maybe that's how we are. I don't know that scripture really addresses why we are stuck in one sin over others and why other people aren't stuck in those. I don't think it does.
Kristi Rains:Not that I know of.
Pastor Greg Rains:If I'm wrong, send us an email. You can tell tell us that I'm wrong, but I can't recall a spot in scripture where it says, this is why certain people struggle with certain things. So not a very good answer to that. I know. I'm sorry.
Kristi Rains:No. No. I it just when you were talking, it it made me think of that because excuse me. I think about different things I struggle with and how I have struggled with that same vein as long as I can remember what started it. That's where I was going with that and I'm sorry, I put you on the spot.
Pastor Greg Rains:No, mean that's what this is for. We're not going to have the answers to all of it. That's an interesting one though. I kind of like to explore that a little bit.
Kristi Rains:Alright. I want to ask you something I think most people wonder but they don't actually get to ask a pastor because not married to one
Pastor Greg Rains:or they're
Kristi Rains:not close enough to one to be this real with them. You know what you're preaching, you study it, you know it. And you get up and talk about it and explore it and you counsel people through different things. But does knowing it this well make it easier to live? Or does it just make you better at explaining why you failed?
Kristi Rains:A good one.
Pastor Greg Rains:I don't like that question.
Kristi Rains:Is this the veto power?
Pastor Greg Rains:I'm gonna say I mean, yeah, it does make it easier to explain because I've studied the answers. I don't think it makes it easier to live. I don't know. Maybe this is sharing too much. I think it makes it easier to cover up.
Pastor Greg Rains:I'm able to hide behind the right answers more than some people who haven't got the same background and done as much study. I know the right things to say, and sometimes that can get pastors in trouble. Hopefully not me. It probably has in the past. I don't know.
Pastor Greg Rains:I can't pinpoint a time, but I I would think it would make it a lot easier to just just hide, you know, and not reveal what's going on.
Kristi Rains:And nobody's the wiser.
Pastor Greg Rains:Nobody's the wiser. I mean, you are because you live with me, but outside of outside of the house, it's easier to put the mask on because I know I know how and I know the right things to say and to hide behind.
Kristi Rains:I don't really think you do that. I try not to. Very often. I mean, some things some things are just too personal to
Pastor Greg Rains:I mean, this this has nothing to do with the topic we're on, but sometimes you I I feel like I have to because not that I view myself as any better than anybody, but people need to have a somewhat of a respect thing towards the pastor to be able to ask questions. And sometimes I'll look and say, well, they're struggling with the same thing I'm struggling with, so I don't wanna I need to find somebody else. I'll go to this pastor who's not struggling with that. So it's not that it's really just a psychological thing. Sometimes I feel like I can't be as open as I want to be with people.
Kristi Rains:Yeah. Yeah. I get that. Alright. Well, I know you.
Kristi Rains:I've watched you for many many years.
Pastor Greg Rains:Can't be that many. I'm just 25 years old.
Kristi Rains:Okay. Twice almost. Not quite that.
Pastor Greg Rains:Not quite.
Kristi Rains:There have been seasons where you have been in a cycle that you can't break that Thanks for pointing that out. Know exactly what the problem was, and you still just sat in it and didn't didn't try to come out of it. So what does that feel like from the inside? And it may go back to that last question too.
Pastor Greg Rains:Well, I'm trying to think of a specific thing. It probably feels like disappointment in myself, I would guess. I I know it would feel like disappointment in myself because I know what I need to do, and I'm not doing it. And yet I'm preaching it or I'm teaching it. Even if you go back to when I was a youth pastor or when you go back to when I was volunteering, just in youth ministry.
Pastor Greg Rains:If I'm teaching it, but I'm not living it, there's some guilt and disappointment in myself. But sometimes it's also I mean, if we're true and if we're being honest, sometimes I just don't want to stop. Like we've said, sin is fun. And sometimes you get in it, and you just don't wanna quit until something, whatever it may be, till something wakes you up. It could be like a big a big revelation.
Pastor Greg Rains:It could be a big problem. It could be all kinds of things. But until something wakes you up, you just don't want to quit. That's probably where I found myself before.
Kristi Rains:Alright. You draw a distinction between saying, I can't, but when you're struggling with the sin, you say, I can't stop. And, in your sermon, you said, it's not that you can't, you won't because we we can do that. You you say, tell tell me about that.
Pastor Greg Rains:Well, you can do anything you put your mind to. There's a pastor named JD Greer who I know you know of and maybe some of the listeners have followed, and he gives tells a story about, a boy he knew who was in the backseat of the car with his girlfriend and caught up in temptation. He's like, I can't stop. I can't stop. I can't stop.
Pastor Greg Rains:So we're gonna go, and we're gonna take that next step. And then her marine sergeant dad knocks on the window, and all of a sudden, he can stop. You can stop. We can walk away from temptation if you want to bad enough. And the only reason we can is because scripture says, and James talks about this in James chapter one, there is a new you.
Pastor Greg Rains:He's given birth to you through the power of his true word. He has given you everything you need to say no. So it's not that you can't. It's that sin's fun. You don't want to stop.
Pastor Greg Rains:It's what I was talking about a couple minutes I enjoy sand. I mean, that's why we do it because it feels good, tastes good, looks good, whatever it is. You just don't wanna quit. Kinda like your mom's a smoker. You used to be a smoker.
Pastor Greg Rains:She knew it was killing her. She knew that was terrible for her, but she said she didn't wanna quit because it tasted so good. She just loved it.
Kristi Rains:Yeah. She had no desire.
Pastor Greg Rains:Yeah. No desire to quit. Same thing with sin. Until something changes and you acknowledge that change in your life, then you can quit. That changes Jesus, if I wasn't clear on that.
Pastor Greg Rains:I mean, you got to accept Jesus.
Kristi Rains:It's the the whole deny yourself kind of vibe.
Pastor Greg Rains:Yeah. Deny yourself. Take up your cross. Follow me.
Kristi Rains:Yeah. Alright. So I can't again, in that question, I can't is something that's happening to you. I won't is something that you're choosing.
Pastor Greg Rains:Yeah. It's true. You say I can't means you're a victim. You say I won't shows you have a choice.
Kristi Rains:You're choosing. Mhmm. Yeah.
Pastor Greg Rains:That's a big step, admitting that.
Kristi Rains:Right. Yeah. Because It is.
Pastor Greg Rains:Because if you feel like you can't, then you're never gonna stop. And sometimes it's just admitting, I just won't do it. I mean, that's a that could be the big step that changes things when you just make that admission.
Kristi Rains:Mhmm.
Pastor Greg Rains:I can do it. I just don't wanna do it. And then maybe that'll lead to a step where you start wanting to change.
Kristi Rains:So has that ever happened to you? A specific, like, switch that clicked where you stopped seeing yourself as a victim and started seeing it as a choice. Like, you're you're not a victim. You you can make make that decision.
Pastor Greg Rains:Specific switch that I can think of? No. It wasn't like a bright neon flashing light saying, do this. But I can look back, probably over the last fifteen years or so. Really, when I was in youth ministry, at our old church, I could see myself teaching things that I I believed it, but I didn't implement it, if that makes sense.
Pastor Greg Rains:I I just can look back over over time, and there's I can't pinpoint when it happened, but there's a point where I realized, not a not a specific point, but where I I'm not caught in saying I can't do it anymore. It's like, I'm choosing, and I'm gonna choose not to do this. And it's probably little little things here, little things there. I'm choosing to to I mean, I can look back to this isn't really a specific sin thing. It's a behavior that led to helping defeat sin, making excuses not to have quiet time.
Pastor Greg Rains:You know? I am too busy, and I you know, we do have packed schedules. But, really, I'm just choosing because I had time to watch Netflix. I'm just choosing Yeah. Not to do my choir.
Pastor Greg Rains:Same thing with sin.
Kristi Rains:I mean, what in our life is not a choice? Everything that we do is a choice.
Pastor Greg Rains:That's true.
Kristi Rains:And it again, we talked earlier about priorities. It's just prioritizing Yeah. What's important and what's not. Yeah. Alright.
Kristi Rains:This is a big part of what I wanna make sure we don't skip because everything we've talked about so far could leave someone feeling really condemned. Yeah. James doesn't stop at the diagnosis. He said that there's something built in you through every moment you resist, every time that you own your your bad choice instead of deflecting it. What does he say that produce that produces?
Kristi Rains:And in your experience, is that actually true?
Pastor Greg Rains:He says it produces the crown of life. And, yes, it is true in my experience. Is there a follow-up to that, or you want me to just go a little deeper into why it's true?
Kristi Rains:Just go with it.
Pastor Greg Rains:Well, I mean, the crown of life, what it really is, it's the evidence of God completing in you what he started. It's that visible evidence of you changing. I can see it myself, and you've told me I'm not the same person you married. Mhmm. So I know you can see it in me, and I would assume other people who know me well have seen that change in me.
Pastor Greg Rains:I can see it in you. Just that when when God is changing who you are and helping you to walk in in step with him, that's what the crown of life is. And in the end, that's when you have become what what scripture would call complete. That's when your when your race on this earth is done, and you're able to stand before Christ and he looks at you and says, well done, my good and faithful servant. You've been complete.
Pastor Greg Rains:So sanctification, big church word, but that's what that process is. You becoming more and more who you were called to be from the very start even before you believed in Jesus. That's the crown of life.
Kristi Rains:Okay. So what does that look like practically, not theologically, but in our own actual daily life when you're walking in that well? What do I see that's different in you on those days?
Pastor Greg Rains:I would think less sin, less selfishness, less pride, more love, more compromise and willing to to serve. Paul would say the fruit of the spirit, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, I think that's all evidence of that in us.
Kristi Rains:Gentleness and self
Pastor Greg Rains:control. Gentleness and self control. You can't
Kristi Rains:keep them off.
Pastor Greg Rains:One of those are the two I probably struggle with, if
Kristi Rains:I don't mind. You can't just omit one.
Pastor Greg Rains:Saying no to sin. I would say that that's really the defining one. You're never gonna say no all the time, but when you say no more than you say yes, and that happens more and more each day, I think that's where that evidence really starts to play out.
Kristi Rains:Yeah, that's a struggle for me. Saying no more than you say yes. In my personality, I'm like, I have to say no every single time. If you take a day, I have to say no every single time or that whole day is a failure in my mind. So how do you overcome that weirdness that I am?
Kristi Rains:I don't
Pastor Greg Rains:think you overcome it. My favorite writer in scripture is Paul. And he says, even Paul who wrote so much of the New Testament, most people who are way smarter than me would say he's the greatest evangelist and church planner that ever lived. And even he said, I keep doing the things I hate, but the things I want to do, I don't do. So if even he know, chosen by God to be an apostle, if even he didn't say no all the time, what makes me think I'm going to?
Pastor Greg Rains:Okay.
Kristi Rains:If someone is listening to this right now and they're sitting with some real conviction, they recognize the pattern, They know that they've been deflecting. They know they want to do something different starting today. What's the most honest practical first step that you can give them? Not a program, not a five step plan, just what do you actually do on Tuesday when temptation shows up.
Pastor Greg Rains:Not not a program, not a steps to do, but I wanna give you two. First, you gotta acknowledge. It sounds like this in this scenario, that person's acknowledged. I figured it out, you know, that I am not what I'm supposed to be. And at that point, there are several things that need to be done, but I I really think the first one is probably find a Christian that you can trust and just say, I'm struggling.
Pastor Greg Rains:Because you really need to get in the word, you really need to pray, but if you don't know where to start, you need somebody to direct you there and to do it with you. So I would say that's it today. If you are struggling today and you know it and you know that you want to change, that God's calling you to something greater, find somebody you trust. Somebody who you can be totally honest with. Say, I'm struggling, this is what it is, what do I do?
Pastor Greg Rains:And they're gonna be honest with you, but they're gonna be gracious with you too and show you mercy and they're not just gonna beat you up over it. They're gonna show you how to get back to Jesus. And if you've never been with Jesus, they'll show you how to get there to start with. I think that's step one. Find a Christian who you know is walking with Jesus better than you are and sit down and have a conversation, I'm struggling.
Pastor Greg Rains:What do I do?
Kristi Rains:You said that was the last question.
Pastor Greg Rains:That's the last question. Well I hope this helped people, I hope they enjoyed this podcast and I hope they'll join, Tune back in next week. If this does help you out, would you share it with somebody? Just send a link that this may help them out. Send them the link to the podcast, the YouTube video, whatever.
Pastor Greg Rains:Subscribe to this channel because that helps out other people getting to see it more than you could ever know. Like it and come back next week. We will be back here planning on being with you every Wednesday and show us some grace as we're trying to figure out what a podcast looks like. But hopefully, you'll be back with us next Wednesday, and we can grow in this together and see where God leads. So thank you.
Pastor Greg Rains:We'll see you next week.