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The Offroad Yarnsmen Podcast is hosted by Jayden (Jag The Joker) and Brad (Red Dust Adventures) talking anything and everything offroad!
Jayden (00:13)
Hello guys, welcome everyone to the very first podcast. Don't quite have a name yet, but myself, Jaden and Brad, been good friends for a while. And well, we haven't actually met, have we? So. No, we're not. We're starting a podcast together without even meeting each other. But yeah, I had Brad on the podcast on my Jokey yarns podcast and we just yarn.
forever really, really well. So we always have phone calls and I thought, well, why don't we make it its own thing? And I'm going to give it a crack at starting our own podcast. We've been flirt with the name, the off -road yarnsman. So I don't know. What do you, what do you work on that, Brad? I love it. No, I might look to be honest with you. Yeah. Our conversations guys have been all around, let's start a podcast that we both love a yarn.
and I reckon we'd sort of rate ourselves as a couple of yarnsmen. And essentially we want the channel, the podcast, whatever you want to call it, sorry, podcast, to be based on anything off -road and then anything sort of essentially outdoors where, you know, what you and I are up to, what the rest of the country's up to and whether it be, yeah, four wheel driving, doing mods to our cars in the shed, fishing.
buddy hiking, quad biking, whatever mate, moped and around the Holland Track, like whatever. Any of those sort of topics and essentially yeah, yarrn up and get some people involved and see what they're, you know, a couple of war stories, get a couple of them on the go, whether it be, you know, your worst experience around a campfire or, you know, your worst caravan park sort of, you know, experience and I mean the list goes on, mate, you know.
We've all got a story to tell. We've all had some crazy experiences out there. So no, I love the name, mate. And I hope it sticks just quietly, but yeah. We literally thought, was it like half an hour? No, a couple of hours before this podcast, we decided to make it its own thing officially and try and think of names. So literally like a couple of minutes ago. Well, I guess probably half an hour ago now, but half an hour ago sort of.
We've sort of set on the off -road yarnsman. We're sort of keeping it light just in case we find something better, but I reckon it might be the winner. But yeah, no. So we sort of want to create a podcast of us just yarning, but I guess have a good, some good content, not just, not just absolute talking trash. So have some good subjects and then yeah, we'd love to get people involved, I reckon. And obviously I've got.
If you don't know me, I'm JaggedJoker on social. So you can either message me or Brad on Red Dust Adventures. And yeah, if you've got subjects or questions or even thinking about, you know, you can send in audio or messenger or something and we can play it through on the podcast and we'll talk about it. And not that we're experts in absolutely anything, but we can talk to him without traffic. But if you ask us, mate, we're experts on everything, just quietly.
I'm sorry, especially beer. I think that'd be great going forward. We could get some interaction from, from people out there. a couple of their war stories and just what they're working on. You know, if a bloke wants to ring up or a chick wants to ring up and say, you know, at the moment I'm, I'm bloody putting a new trial on me. Me 79 or, you know, I'm putting a four inch lifting me Suzuki Sierra and you know, what's your thoughts and we can run into the past.
you know, like hopefully we'd like to get an audience that is interactive and does enjoy the content and yeah, can have an opinion on helping some other people out there that are like -minded and yeah, I don't think there's that many podcasts around like that that, especially here in WA that are offering that. Like obviously a podcast, you can listen to it anywhere in the world just quietly, but yeah, look, I mean, let's, and it's not, yeah, we don't want to isolate it to Western Australia, but yeah, it'd be cool to sort of get a few.
WA personnel on here and and yarn up about what they're up to and just tracks that are familiar for us and I don't know maybe some suggestions on what tracks to do and you know what trips they've got upcoming and how they're packing for it and how many people are going and sort of yeah that's all the stuff mate just I mean the world's yours so when it comes to off -road I mean there's plenty of us out there that love it so there's plenty to talk about yeah well so this first one we're gonna keep audio only just give it a shot
and then we're just going to say where it rolls, whether we go for YouTube channel and all that sort of stuff. But, shall we start off talking? We don't really have necessarily a subject. This podcast, it's more of an introduction and, we just thought we'd yarn about some of the stuff we've been doing lately. and you've been up to state point. We don't have a bit of a couple of trips lately, but one of them was state point, which I can relate to because I've been there once.
Yeah, how good is it? It's amazing. Yeah, six. Well, my and look, yeah, we definitely go back there again. Obviously a part of that state point trip. We spent a week before that on under Carter Island. And that was epic. I highly recommend that to anyone. Yeah. If you're with you, you know, doing a lap or whether you're local to Western Australia. Yeah, absolutely. Get over there and have a crack at it. And I don't think it's a mecca.
Fall drive per se trip. I mean, you know, you need a fall drive to go there, mate. It's plenty of soft sand and soft beaches and you would come undone if you saw you were just going to cruise around to Hill Drive. Just, you know, it's not one of those places. But just the fishing, the wildlife, like there's wildlife on there, mate, that isn't anywhere else in Australia. We've seen a couple of these little marsupial things. Don't even know what the name of them were, but yeah, it was pretty cool to see.
Obviously it's a part of Shark Bay, so the sharks over there are insane. That was epic. And then to come off there, obviously to us, and we spoke about this the other day, that Steak Point in our eyes was just all about the sign, just getting to the sign. That's the most west -leaf point of the Australian continent, and I mean that's what it's famous for. But there's a bit more going on, mate. Obviously the cliff fishing there and...
Before we did a full drive track out to, I can't remember the bloody name of this joint, but. Is that along the, like along the cliffs there? Yeah, along the cliffs towards false entrance, the back way to there. I'd have to get back here on that, but it made it really good. And that particular morning, cause Faye never really gets to drive, you know, she's just not a driver. Like, and I just sort of said towards the new rig, it was our first trip in our new 79. And I said, babes, you can drive today.
And I mean anyone that knows me like I was sort of a bit because it was a sick treat like track in the end I actually had to drive back my cousin. I couldn't just in the past. I'm a horrible passenger. So I had to take the wheel on the way back. But yeah, like she had a blast. I had a blast. And there was hate to track. So there was a bit more full drive. And then I actually anticipate we didn't go there thinking state point had anything to offer in the full draw sort of things. And it actually does.
That was epic, mate. And like you said, you've been there before and I think you had the same sort of experience in that. I was just blown away by the power of the ocean. It feels like you're in a different world. You're on the edge of the world. You can really tell the power of the ocean. It's not like a beach where there's just little waves. I don't know if it was the same when you were there, but you got big swells.
you know, waves crashing on the cliffs and stuff and you got all those blow holes and yeah, like you see why the, what do you call it? More professional fishermen, not like us, you know, taking a K -Mart fishing rod down there or something, but you know, you can tell while they get out there. I don't even know that balloon fishing was a thing until I saw these dudes running around with a, like pumped this balloon up for like half an hour and then burst it and then had to do another one. But yeah. So did you actually go to, did you go down shark bait?
Yeah, shark bait, did you go down that or just straight point? Nah, just a straight point and around that area and obviously, you know, shell to bone that. But what I do know there, mate, is obviously I'd heard about balloon fishing, didn't know anything about it. Clearly, I had some kind of concept to get the balloon out there and it obviously just gets the lure dancing on top of the water and attracts the pelagics, you know, like your mackerel, your Spanish mackerel and that, which is I think what they're mainly
trying to fish for, I'm not an expert on it by any stretch of imagination but what I didn't know mate was there was one particular spot and you know a bit of a plug for my own YouTube channel mate but we put it on our YouTube channel these old fellas they were fishing off a 125 meter cliff and it's hard to even fathom the day before we went there mate I've seen this old salty dog down at Seedpoint and they caught a nice big Mackie that day
And I was yawning to him and he's like, yeah, tomorrow we're going up to this point and I can't remember what he called it. I think I said it, but, and he said like, you know, it's 125, 130 meter drop into the ocean, straight cliff. I went by there, I thought, I'll be a bit of mayo on this story. Like the old salty dog chucking a bit of mayo on it. And when we got there, like the following day we drove up there and they were already set up and, mate, I reckon he under.
undertalked it up like he just it was insane like I've never seen anything like I didn't think people I've never seen it anywhere in the world I didn't know that was a thing and like this they had this arm set up there with a with a wheel on there and essentially all it was was an extended arm that goes out over the cliff and all they do is throw their bait in and when they got onto a fish instead of winding 125 meters they would just chuck in the line
you know, just before the tip of the rod, just putting the line on the rod on the, on the wheel, turning their back to the, to the cliff and just walking away from it and just dragging it up this wheel. Like, you know, the, the most simplest concept, I wouldn't have thought of it, but it was just, you look at it and think, of course you'd do that. It was just so, so like, I don't know, caveman style, but just so smart. and yeah, like just to watch it all take place. I was just like, wow.
And to watch this bloke, mate, they're on the top of this cliff. They're like two foot off the cliff, mate, and they're walking around fishing in plugins. Like an old mate tripped over at one stage and I said to Fee, like, are these blokes for real? Like, if you go in there, mate, like, there's, you know, like it's the one of the spots. I don't even think it's got like a rescue ring now. It'd be a waste of bloody time. Like, just, mate, I think you'd be in there within, like, it certainly wouldn't be the fish that would, or the sharks running down there to kill you.
The first 125 meter drop into the ocean would probably kill you if not knocked you out and give you a good headache. But as quick as you would be in there, you would be smashed against the most rugged and jagged rocks of all time and cold. You'd be dead. You'd be down there like you're in a mincer. So yeah, that was an eye -opener. So I highly recommend, even if you're not into fishing, like you don't, I love me fishing clearly, but even if you weren't into fishing, just to go and watch that, you wouldn't probably partake in it.
just to go and watch it and just like, yeah, a bit of a, bit of a mind blowing situation. Like it's scary, my dog. I was scared for, you know, like, but yeah, it was a big spot. Highly recommend state point and that area there. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I watched that side. I was the same, obviously being there, you sort of get a feeling of how high and steep, you know, like even just the wind, obviously it's.
so windy there and you know, just get a gust you got here over the edge. Plus the, how brittle it looks on the edge. But yeah, I'm definitely not that keen, especially with growing up like all, all down south in the Southwest where I am. I grew up in Manjimup and not that we've got nothing like up there. but just little bits of cliff, cliff fishing that they do, you know? and you hear, I've heard us at work. We grew up with lost a lot of boys, my age and stuff of.
them getting washed off rocks and they're lying dropping 20 meters off it. So it's up there and stayed back. But, yeah, it's an awesome spot. I reckon we needed to up and do like a, shark base sort of do a week or two in there. I reckon it'd be meant. Yes. I didn't realize how big it is. Like I've seen it on the, on the map, you know, it looks small on the map, but you're like, get off the highway and you're like, a hundred and something K's to, what's that? I can't remember the town. Whatever the town is. It's denim. Yeah. Yeah.
And yeah, you know, it's like, and then obviously that hundred and something cars, you've got beaches either side of you the whole way out plus it's past denim. So it's, it's amazing spot. Like so many. So that dirt dirt, dirt
Where do you, so obviously I have to catch a barge. Is that like south of Steep Point or? Basically it's mate, it's less than a kilometer down from Steep Point. You basically go through Shelter Bay. You take off from Shelter Bay at the barge there. And yeah, if you're, so if you're driving from say Denham, you know, Denham way or the Overlander out there on the highway.
on your way to Steet Point, you basically drive through Shelter Bay, the barge goes straight across from there, the island's off to your right, and a kilometer north of that is the point. And yeah, look, it's definitely an area, like it was so popular, mate, like obviously Shelter Bay was packed when we were there. Wasn't as many people at Steet Point, there's only, I think, four camp spots at Steet Point.
There's not a lot of camping up there at the point itself as you know, but yeah, Shelter Bay, mate. There's so many camps there and it's just absolutely packed. And what I did sort of learn while I was down there, mate, was, yeah, like a lot of people, I say, noticed a lot of people just like in their boats, just sort of, I don't know, a lot of bit of a little black market going there, but there was guys like ferrying people from like Shelter Bay over to the island to fish off the island.
I don't know whether they were paying in beers or whatever, but I thought it was pretty cool. They were sort of on the two way, just like, yeah, old mate wants to come back over now, so I called, so I made a just shoot across in his boat and pick up a little crew or whatever. I don't know whether they were old mates or whatever, but I thought it was pretty cool because you can actually, obviously the barge only goes for a certain amount of times a day to get the vehicles across there, and they do one vehicle at a time. Great experience, but yeah, a little black market dodgy stuff going on out there was pretty cool.
So some people, you know, because essentially they didn't have to pay to be on the island. And I don't think they weren't doing any harm. There was a nice little point there and mate, we're just ferrying a couple of costs. And it couldn't have been legit, mate. I don't know. It was pretty cool just to see a few people getting ferried across to the point to, you know, so they fished off to a car talk for the day and yeah, I mean, it's sort of ferrying it back. But yeah, look, one thing I did know, mate,
And I actually didn't know it was a thing to be honest with you, mate, but there were so many people that we'd met on the island. It's actually a thing that guys drive to Denham, park their car and boat trailer there, and then take their boats essentially to Dirkartal. And just, because obviously you don't have to pay to be on the island when you've got a boat. But you can just moor anywhere you want and fish basically everywhere that you could fish off the land.
They can fish there. So there's a lot of that going on. There was a few people that we'd met that had actually, one group in particular, when we camped at a spot called Whithnall Point, and there was two blokes in two separate boats, good mates. Both of them had their sons turning up and a couple of mates from work and that, but their mates and their sons were actually all driving in the day later. And then essentially, so they brought in all the supplies.
all the piss and everything like that and all the tents and everything in the cars. And then the two blokes are just essentially driven from Denham to the camp spot on the boats moored like 50 meters off the shore. And then each day, you know, they jump in the boats and they'd all, you know, ferry off and go fishing all day. And then they come back and camp up on the islands. Like a sick setup, like such a good setup. And it saved them, cause the tracking is really tight, like in a few spots really tight.
and quite corrugated in a few spots, mate. So it just saves your drag. And again, you wouldn't, these guys have got big enough boats. So I think off the top of my head, mate, the barge, you're allowed a vehicle and a trailer, but an overall length of, I think it's about 12 and a half meters. So there's no caravans on the island. You've basically just got your little six before, 75 sort of camper trailer setups, you know, going across on the boat. So big boats, like little tinnies, quite a few tinnies come across there.
But no big boats. So essentially the big boats would go to Denham and then fare himself around pretty cool setup Yeah, well we went over I'm just gonna interrupt you for a good sound for a second Yeah, when we went around all the way in Denham and not even starting down one night and yeah, they're They're boat rent like packed with cars
and a lot of them would sit there, like we did a week there, I think, and the whole week, you know, some of them cars didn't move. So obviously there were some people that were, you know, obviously on the Island or, but some of the boats there too, like rolled in with like a semi sort of big, big truck oversize. And, you know, there was a couple of them sitting in the, like, yeah, I think it was two car parks there. so obviously there's some, there's some decent, decent boats that go in there, but how was the.
When we come into Steep Point, like the bitumen to, you know, you go from the bitumen to the, like all gravel, all the way to the sort of national park, whatever it is, so on, that was only just freshly graded. So it was, we got lucky with that. But then once we got past that national park where you pay your fee and stuff, like then it started getting hectic. And I know when, you go past the, or the rangers hut, like a bit back from that.
like, holy moly, that's sort of where my Hilux, I took my 1982 Hilux, I took up there and my whole diff is actually on the piss now and my suspension's all shot and that was after that. And it was just like, I've no, like I obviously see, you know, you're probably more used to it up, being up north as well, but that's, you know, the corrugations are just that crazy.
that didn't matter. Normally down south here, you know, you could just boot it and you don't feel them or you just go really slow. But these, it didn't matter what you did, like everything was going flying, old cameras in there, like hanging onto drones and stuff and everything. It was about falling off the back of the ute. So was that bad? Was it still like that when you were there or? A hundred percent, mate. Nothing had changed. And I don't think it ever does, to be honest with you. And we did sort of get warned about it. We've done a little bit of research.
online and just even through wiki camps like wiki camps is a bit of a saviour for us at different different times like obviously wiki camps you can take you know some people's opinions as gospel or you can just you know take it or leave it you know some people call corrugations you know corrugations or we call it a smooth road they call them hectic and you know some people are realistic about the corrugations and then you know some some people that have been in real bad corrugations like ourselves
not to sound like a cockhead but at the end of the day mate we've travelled a fair bit of Australia and done some serious corrugations and yeah there was parts of that road that were ridden up there were some of the worst we've ever been on 100 % where you get to the Tiana section mate where it's left to go to Pulse entrance and right to C Point which is essentially where you're staying just turned a shit like absolutely and you know when you're watching cars coming towards you and you're
And like you can just see the diff and the suspension and the bull bar. It's just like wow. And obviously our car's doing the same thing, but it doesn't feel like that inside the car. But obviously, anyway, it didn't. But we definitely left that trip. And I think we when we drove in there, mate, I think we had what did we have about 1500 K's on the clock? Yeah. Or something. Yeah, something like that. Or about.
1800 or something. And when we drove out of there, it was only another 400k or whatever. So yeah, it was under 2000 ks driving that track and it was just like, we weren't enjoying it. I won't lie, I was a bit like, fuck. No one likes corrugations and right now I'm feeling exactly that. So yeah, nothing's changed, mate. It was rough and like quite a few people. Yeah, it was a bit of a topic of conversation around the camp and around Shell Devon, that sort of stuff.
And we have actually had quite a few people ask us, you know, would you drag a tinny in there? Would you drag a camper trailer in there? I mean, I'd say yes, because I'd drag anything anywhere. All the good adventures are at the end of shit roads, mate. We all know that. There's not too many really good adventures in Australia where you do it all by bitumen or like a nice... I mean, you can get lucky with a grader sometimes, but yeah, we haven't been that lucky over the years just quietly, but yeah.
the end of the day. That's all part of the adventure. Yeah, yeah. You mentioned, thought of my next subject. You said wiki camps. What apps do you use? Cause I've struggled to find a good app, but for mapping or camps and stuff, mainly maps. I love going off road and exploring like even half the time it might be a well known spot that I go find. Yeah. I don't know if it's different three up there. You might plan it a bit more.
a lot of times the best spots I've found, is just from like Google earth or something. But I've tried a few different, like I've had a, that was years and years ago. I had a Hema, map that you paid like 90 bucks or something more, more than like 60 bucks. And the new one was 90 or something, but it was pretty hopeless. Like I'm not shitting on Hema. Like I know some of the, you know, you buy the proper tablets and the proper maps. Excellent. But, yeah, or the phone app or one I had this shit like, yeah.
you had the, yeah, you're supposed to be able to download the apps and that didn't work. And then, I tried my last trip, I think it was Christmas. I tried Explorers Traveler. and that's the same, you pay like a subscription or something, which is actually pretty cool that you pay. I think I can't remember what it was. It wasn't too bad, like 10, 20 bucks for a year or something. And we even got a.
Envelope with a sticker saying you remember and all that sort of stuff. It was a cool touch, but yeah But yeah, we did have troubles with that at At when we were trying to download them originally, but it's staying town for like an hour trying to download maps and all that sort of stuff So I've generally just stuck to Google Google Maps and then you select the earth option But obviously once you go out of reception, that's pretty much useless. So what do you guys use when you travel around?
So it's funny when you say about Google Earth, because I know quite a few lads up here use Google Earth. And probably because they don't really know too much. We've never used really Google Earth. And I know a lot of the lads use them, obviously, when they're in reception. And I guess they look for an area, and they look for water holes and stuff like that. And then they get some kind of GPS reference. And then they basically head out, push and look for it.
But for us, mate, for all the traveling we've done, and look, I mean, obviously, to go into the simo and do, you know, a couple of years ago, I did a double Simpson Desert crossing, and I did the Madigan line and across the bottom, and, you know, made our way all the way back up to just, you know, a couple hundred k -shy room along the Garry Junction Road and stuff. And, mate, for all the places that we travel around the Pilbara, everywhere we go, we have been using it for years. We use, on our iPad, we use memory maps.
with a HEMA overlay. So what that essentially is is obviously memory maps has its pros and cons, I guess. And it's not as detailed, but really good mapping. And then with the HEMA overlay, it basically gives you two different type of graphic maps on top of each other. So sort of a two for the price of one sort of thing. And I don't know, Fee does all that, mate.
I don't know what we pay for it or how it all works. She's our mapping guru. And the other thing, mate, and is WikiCamps. We swear by it, mate. We were fortunate. We got WikiCamps quite a few years ago when it was free. I think now, yeah, I think once you've got it, like there was, I think it was last year or the year before where there was a massive meltdown where hopes that people lost all their data on that off WikiCamps. We never, we were fortunate enough that.
Every pinpoint we've ever put in there. And my luck, we put so many pins in our maps. So he does it on a phone to as a bit of a backup. And then, you know, on the iPad, I mean, you can transfer all that anyway. But that's what we've always used. And I know when we did our Simo trip, for example, obviously, that was one of the trips that we've done as as a group with five other vehicles. And pretty much every day, man, like our our whole we sort of had an itinerary.
As such but we pretty much ran off wiki camps like it was just people obviously there's only so many camps in the desert But it would tell you how far away What was available there? Down to lock there's a shady tree on the left, you know or great for two cars, but shit for a convoy You know, there's a water source, you know just up the road or
We've seen camels here, just I think there's some irrelevant information but some really relevant information and I mean it sort of give us a bit of a I mean you can do a lot of research before you leave home 100 % you can. But again you can't remember all that and writing a lot of it down like just I mean part of a good trip I reckon is a bit of a wing in it sort of trip where you I mean you sort of can hope you get to a certain spot but I mean we've been on trips over the years mate where you think
I've certainly 30k I think from years ago, but we did the What's it called the crev track and I think it's like a 70k track We thought I couple out like fucking took us 12 hours to do the crev track. You know what I mean? So that's sort of a bugger your itinerary like you're always on your day behind so you learn quickly the itineraries go out the window, but my Memory maps hangar overlay and wiki camps and it works for us like we've never
touch wood like yeah we haven't really been lost or stuck or anything like that and again with that what we do mate is I mean you can download the whole and I think from memory mate you basically pay ten dollars or twelve dollars or whatever for the particular map in that area and like on our HEMA we don't have anything to do with the high country or South Australia or like you know New South Wales because we don't travel there.
So we don't really need that mapping within our system. But what we do is if we're, so for example, you know, going to, doing the desert trip, we just bought every map, maybe, I don't know what it costs, but it costs a hundred bucks, who cares really, to be honest with you. But we bought every map that was associated with our trip and then downloaded that into our mapping. So essentially it was there. But if we scrolled off that page and dropped in the South, you know,
the bottom of South Australia, obviously it was some parts of South Australia for the lower part of the Simmo but yeah, there'll be nothing there. It'll just be your typical sort of nothing. So, we swear by it. And I don't know, like I know, I know Stefan Fischer, I've always sort of followed Stefan Fischer on YouTube and stuff and I know he always, he's really up, he's right onto his mapping and right up to date with it and he uses a couple of other apps.
I can't remember them off the top of my head either. But he sort of swears by him, you know, he's been let down by explorers or let down by HEMA. I think at one stage there, the only problem, and I think Fee said it in one of our recent videos, the only problem we've ever had with HEMA. So for example, if you're traveling in the sand, so say at Seat Point was a perfect example, obviously the track is the track. But because the wind just blows so much there,
you lose the track in a lot of spots and then I think the track sort of veers off of it. It might only just veer off for like five or 10 meters off the original track, say for example, and you lose it on your map. So like Hema, Hema shows that we're doing this straight line that's not, so your original mapping does, you know, off to the left or whatever, but the track we're traveling on is nowhere near that. But it's not real hard to work out that you're going in the right direction.
You know what I mean? So like, you know, you can get lost if you're not really into mapping and if you're not really into knowing where, you know, where the sun is and where it rises and that sort of stuff. If you're not really switching on all that, you probably need someone to go with you. But for us, we can handle a bit of just working out where the sun rises and where it sets. You sort of know where you are on the ground and you can sort of work a little bit out where you're going and where you're not.
I've been brewing mate and like you can do your bread crumb in and all that sort of stuff and we do that a lot mate we do we do heaps of pinpoints or fee you know as I said fees the mapping guru in our family but we do heaps of pinpoints like if we get to a spot and it could be anything mate if we get to a spot and we catch a fish there we just mark that spot if we get to a spot and there's a memorial there we pinpoint that spot if we get to somewhere that we get bogged we pinpoint and just say you know boggy spot or I don't know like
Because you can never have too much information and it could be just a case of, you know, go out there again or, you know, we catch up with you and you say, mate, I wanna, we're working and you wanna go and, you know, travel around the Pilbara where we've been before. We can show you on the maps. You can take a screenshot of all that sort of shit. Not really savvy on how to transfer mapping to someone else's device. But you can take a screenshot, mate. And I know I did it for my boss at work. Took a couple of screenshots and he found his way out to a waterhole, so.
That's what we use. Yeah. Get on it, mate. Don't get left behind. Yeah. Well, that did remind me of that. Explore Oz is the same. You can do the other start doing the map overlays, which is really, really good. I think. Yeah. I think. Cause I think once we had trouble on my phone, then we put it on my wife's phone and then it works fine after that. Like we think it's out that subscription or something.
downloaded it all and it worked. But yeah, that was the same. I remember playing around with that and you can do all your different overlays and that sort of stuff, which is good. And yeah, we're the same. Obviously it's a bit different being down south. Like everything's really close and you know, mostly assigned where you guys, if you take the wrong track, you probably going a thousand cars in the wrong direction. So it's a lot more, a lot more, I guess critical for someone up north compared to down here. Like down here you might go.
20 cars in the wrong direction, which can still be, you know, deadly, but mainly, yeah, mainly I just, where I go, I generally have an idea, but I love, yeah, that certain spots, or one, finding those cool spots, like we've found some awesome little spots. But yeah, I always like to pinpoint some cool camp spots or something like that. I don't go too crazy, like generally I can remember where stuff is, but some of the big sort of things. I'd love to ask you a question.
And when we're talking about mapping and just like finding cool spots and look, I'd love I'd love for the punters out there. Because we know, look, I mean, people are going to gravitate to this this podcast, my people are going to get involved. We know that we're cool. So people are going to get on board and we want some we want some feedback from the punters. But I'd love to know what the people out there think. But first and foremost, you what you think we had a conversation a while back, my on.
sharing spots, sharing information, sharing locations and wicked spots and do your and don't your and you know, do you just choose to use your selected friends to share them spots with or so you know, for example, we did a trip out to a place called Running Waters. Running Waters isn't hard to find, Running Waters isn't a place that no one knows about. I think when we went out there last night, we actually got a bit of grief from a few locals saying
because we put it on our channel. And I didn't say where it was, I just said the name of the place, I didn't give them all the details, just basically said, you know, choose your own adventure, get out of here, you know, it's, let's see, East Pilbara and yeah, get out there and find it sort of thing. But mate, you can just look on that. Wikicamps has a massive report on it. So anyone who's like 98 % of people traveling around Australia doing a lap, travel with Wikicamps. So it's not hard to find.
And when we got there the last time, mate, so just to get to this particular water hole, which is, mate, it's absolutely spectacular. We'll take you there one day and you'll love it, man. You'll absolutely love it. That's one of those spots where you've got to go. If you come to the building, you've got to go to Running Waters. But when we went there, like the last little section, you basically got to have a four wheel drive or a quad bike or a motor bike to get in there. You wouldn't drag a car in there. You can't. And so there was
But there was like four or five, maybe six caravans that basically got to like 50 meters from the water hole or 100 meters or whatever it is to the real shitty section and parked up there and could have been there for days. So it's not like, and like I didn't give them that information and I didn't ask them how they got information, not my business, but where do you stand on? So you and Shannon are out bushing, you know, you can get on the map and you can look stuff up, but then, you know, when you drive past a track and you think, hmm, where's that guy?
And you go down there, like I reckon you like a thousand other people like ourselves, you've done that and you've driven down a thousand dead ends, you know what I mean? Where everyone's done the same thing, where they've driven in, where's this going? Everyone drives to the same dead end. I think everyone's done that. But if you and Shannon are out there and you find an amazing spot, how many people do you tell? Do you tell the world? Do you put it, do you discreetly put it on your YouTube channel? Do you?
Do you tell you just your favorite mates and family, or do you make that just a destination for you and Shannon to enjoy for the future? You know, and obviously, you know, what's your thoughts on that, mate? Well, it's, it's, obviously it's probably slightly different, like down here, like I said, so populated and everything's so close. So they are a bit harder to, find. And down here with being so populated, like places just get trashed, like, especially in our COVID.
And that's probably another subject with, on its own, but like it just, some of the spots just get hammered. like the amount of rubbish, especially over Eastern summer stuff, it's getting closed down as a massive concern with stuff like that. So I, generally I won't put like I've done two that I can think of spots that I don't want to tell anyone that I've put on my channel. So I just haven't said like, one of them was when we were down.
wasn't, we didn't quite get to Esperance. It might've been, got down there and we accidentally come across it and we were going down the road and we sort of had to cross over a bridge over this river and went a bit further and I've seen a side track and I again, I'd Google Earth Google maps up. I was like, let's just have a quick look down there. And it was fucking sick spot. Like it was sitting on the cliff and the sun rises going down and water. And, I was like,
how am I not telling everyone about this spot? And I think I've given it to like one person that asked. And generally it'll be someone, you know, it's got some brains and yeah, I'm not just giving to any random person that asked me, like I personally know them. But I didn't say like, they knew I was down in Bremer Bay, but it was, you know, probably a good hundred Ks or something or 50 Ks from Bremer. So it was, you know, you're not going to find it. And another one down,
When he's Warren Beach, there was a spot you can't, or they keep blocking it off and people keep opening it and all that sort of stuff. And yeah, same sort of thing. Like that one you would have found if you looked hard enough, like it's, you keep driving down the beach, you'll see this open track that's not normally open and you go down there and you can find sick little spots. And there was other people down there anyway. And it wasn't a secret to be honest. It was all the locals knew about it.
Yeah, I'm sort of, you want to, I guess with that thing of places getting wrecked and a lot more, I don't think I used to be, I think I used to be like, didn't care, but as I'm sort of, getting older and stuff and, and with everything getting destroyed, I'm very, don't want to tell people about certain spots and I personally keep it to close friends. Yeah. But,
like obviously public spots that are already sort of busy or a popular tourist place. I'll obviously plaster them, but yeah, the, I guess, yeah, the more special spots, especially down South, because there's just not many of them left. Like getting to O 'Hamad and yeah, even spots when I was younger that used to be, no one used to be there and now they're like a hallway. For example, like Ugra, like it was, it always used to be busy, but now it's just.
Holy moly. Like they went, they went down there. I'd say Easter weekend used to be packed. And I think someone went down there this, for the last Easter and they reckon there was like a hundred, 250 cars there. And that's, you know, that's four, four and a half hours south of Perth. It's just like, holy shit. It's mental. And that sort of, that might be a subject you can roll onto, but.
It's sort of a bit concerning with the traffic in certain camping spots or destinations with, you know, I'm big on getting people out there and doing it the right way and rah rah rah. But just the sheer traffic on a location. Yeah. It doesn't matter if they're all careful. Like what she'll sort of take on that because just, just having 150 cars pumping a track, you're obviously going to run it out and all this sort of natural damage that a car does, unfortunately.
Yeah. Plus if people are not, you know, being careful. But do you or maybe that is a cause that tracks getting shut down. I don't know. But what's your sort of thoughts on that? Well, look, I mean, to be honest with you, my for us, I guess that's why we love living in the Pilbara and we're just so far away from everyone. We don't deal with all that. I mean, to go to a busy campsite where we live and, you know, if there is certain spots that do get busy.
like your upper caravans and or like your caravan gorge and that because it's probably more accessible to caravaners and stuff and that's nothing against caravaners but we're not caravaners so for us we're probably fortunate enough that we're happy and like to just push forward you know further into the bush and get off off grid and away from everyone as much as we can it's not because we don't like people but we love people mate we're people people but at the end of the day mate we love just getting away from everyone
Switching off from the whole world and if it means that we've just got to get deeper into the booth We we will so we don't really deal with big traffic areas and and big amounts of people like you do down down south And that's why we live up there because I hate that like I'm I'm not a fan might I I You know 20 meters near me is bloody too close for me. I fucking rather you be a thousand meters away, you know what I mean? and then if we choose to
go down to the beach and have a fish and you and I stagger upon each other down on the beach while we're having a fish and we're yawning up. Yes. And I'll decide whether you and I are having a beer that night. You're having a beer with me that night because you're fucking cam right beside me. You know what I mean? If that makes sense. I do like my own space and I like my own time and I love to just, yeah.
If I choose to just have a quiet night there with me, miss Owen, and have a few beers, I will. And mate, I'm more than happy if I was to wander over to a random camp and I'm like, hey bud, like, fucking on your bike. Yeah, mate. Totally get that. I'll leave you with it, like happy days. So we don't experience big crowds. But I do know, mate, we're back on the East Coast. We spent a bit of time.
When we lived on the sunny coast, we spent a bit of time with some lads doing Vass House Mountains. And look, I mean, that was sort of every Vass House Mountains up until just recently when they've closed that. You know, your Big Red and your Little Red and that down. Like it was massive. There's people there all weekend, every weekend. You know, even just during the week, man, like I remember coming home from work and the lad that lived across the road from me would be like, we're doing a night run, you're coming? And he had like this GQ patrol wagon.
you know, 8 inch lift, running 37s, and his mate, you know, had a 105, running 4 inch lift and 35s, all the boys, you know, 8 inches and 35s and 37s, all GQs and GUs and all the rest of it. And, mate, they'd go on a night trip and come home at 2 in the morning and go back to work, but just to be up there slaying it, just love their fall driving and, I mean, these guys weren't doing any, you know, these guys, mate, were driving up Big Red, not even stopping and looking at it, they were just...
But we're just getting to the bottom, flicking low range in them. Up they go, you could think. You know, like they're mad king fall drivers, but, you know, that area was just solely about fall driving. It wasn't about, I mean, you can camp out there and all, you know, those sort of places, but that was essentially just a fall drive mecca. So the tracks were ripped up, mate. You're not going to, I mean, and there was ways around, I know there was a bit of dispute about the whole closing the tracks. That's probably a bit off topic, but essentially what you're saying.
You know, the tracks getting ripped up and they'll fire access tracks and all the rest of it. I mean, my understanding, I probably didn't take much notice when we lived back there. I don't know what's that bloody, you know, nearly 20 years ago, mate. I didn't really sort of take much notice of like, whether you get a fire truck in there or whatever. I was just too busy. I was a lot younger than my, I was throttling these big rigs, this light boards or the bush was, it was sick, you know. but I'd get the whole concept of ripping tracks up. I, but.
on the same token mount that's just like a small little pocket and just let them be there mate, just let them drive four wheel drives like the whole people rolling cars and getting hurt and all that. You know, is it any different to people, you know, surfing and getting eaten by a shark that randomly happens or, you know, a skateboard hitting his head on the aft pipe or, I don't know, just give examples them too but do you know what I mean? Everything you're doing in life mate, you know, we had a conversation today and as crazy as this is, I was talking about crocodiles to one of the lads at work.
And he said, isn't it funny though, man, like, hell, people seem to think a shark is less dangerous than a crocodile. And what's your thoughts? And I said, I don't know. I reckon a crocodile is more dangerous, like, just because of who they are and where they live and stuff. And he said, but like, you're not scared? What, you just go and pat a shark? I said, no, fuck no, no, definitely scared of sharks. He said, but isn't it funny where, because people swim in the ocean every day of the week knowing there's sharks in there. But if you go up north anywhere and you'll see the actin sign saying,
like crocodiles in here and it's dark water and you can't see them. No one goes in there. Some mad dogs do, but a couple of mad dogs have been taken that way too. Do you know what I mean? So yeah, look, the reality is, mate, people are still going to rip up trucks and do dumb stuff. And I think the more people you put into an area and, you know, there's still, I think there's still a fair bit of that, what would you call it? Peer group pressure that we've all been under.
I'm not oblivious, mate. I'm 50 and I'm a heaps different person than what I was when I was 20. Like if I was 20, or when I was 20, if you and I went out there and you said, fucking hit it, bud, send it, two wheel drive, I'd do it. Like, you know what I mean? I would drive through every bog aisle I possibly could and, you know, if I drove past a big mud patch, I'd be in there doing doughies and all that. If people could shoot me down, like it is what it is. I was 21 too, mate, and I've done it.
I'd look at 20 year olds driving into mud patches. Mate, I think there's a difference if there's a mud patch that essentially has no, if it's not in a national park or in a nice build up, when I say build up, or a camping area where people are gonna camp and shit. I don't get off on that. But if you're driving along a track and there's a bit of a, I don't know, I had to explain it, mate, but there's a spot that has no impact on people and you wanna do a couple of doughies, like, I'd do a couple of doughies if you wanna get it out of your system and move on, you know what I mean?
But I think when you're, I think what I don't like, mate, and again, it's probably off topic, but that's probably what happens on the bodies, mate. But, you know, like if you're going into a camp site, you know, if you're going, I know, you know, people talk about Stockton beach and I think there's, I don't know, what's the beach down there where you like all the bloody rev heads go down Perth there somewhere there was the big drones and everything. I know a lot of, I know a lot of lines go down there.
Binger or something? Yeah, one of them. Yeah, there's a couple up there. Yeah, I'm not 100 % on the name, but there's a, I know there's a couple of lads I've followed on Instagram that have got like mad, mad four wheel drives that like, you know, go like the shells of shit. And yeah, they're doing these big sand dunes and two wheel drive and big rooster tails and all that sort of stuff, but everyone does it down there. It's when they get out on the beach where, you know, potentially there's potentially kids running across the beach to get to dad fishing on the
on the shoreline or there's other people camped along there and you're fucking doing snakeys and doeys and shit. I don't really get off of it and I've never done that myself and I'm not saying that you know like I'm the example for everyone to follow but you know I don't get off on that but I mean mate, there's a big dune up the back there and you're doing a couple of rooster tails and you're doing a bit of dicking around up there and you're minding your own business. I don't care mate, I don't really stress out too much over it. I think populated areas where there's kids and stuff.
Yeah, call me fucking heavy. Don't be a cockhead, you know what I mean? There's a time and a place for most things or pretty much everything, mate. And yeah, down in populated areas on a beach, you know, perfect example like Fraser Island and that sort of stuff. Mate, you can be like a highway down there and you can sit on 80. But if at any stage you see people, if you see a dad, if you see a car, I'm going to say a dad, that's probably, you know, if you see a car up on the dune,
And people do, they sit up on the jet like that and then they walk down on the beach. Not everyone parks their car down on the waterline. And they've got to walk back or forward, just slow down past them. That's not that big a deal, mate. You know, if you're into race cars, go to the drift track and do some drifting. You know what I mean? But if you're into just going to Fraser Island, doing a fishing, bit of all driving and camping and all that sort of stuff, just pick your spot. You know, like, yeah, you know, if you're going over Indian Head and you've got to give it momentum over there.
parents keep the kids off Indian head mate, keep them in the car. They don't need to be on the track. Cause guys are running three and four ton four wheel drives at full revs because you need to, to get over them. You know, again, everyone just sort of, unfortunately mate, the world we live in, common sense, no such thing anymore. We've lost it. Like us older generations still have a bit of it, but yeah, there's some people out there that seem to struggle with the old common sense. So yeah, essentially mate, don't.
Yeah, I'm not a mad fan of the big populated areas, but I'm also insane that I'm not a mad fan of bollards and trying to segregate people. And I think it's getting harder, mate, you know, for places which I understand, you know, they've sort of got to police it within reason. But this sort of bullshit where you've got to plan ahead and book your campsites ahead and you've never been there, you know, nothing about the campsite. Yeah, I think that's sort of it.
I don't know how, it's only going to get worse I believe. Perfect example mate, again when we were at Seapoint that old salty dog was telling me a story about, so the day they got there, there's basically, and you know, I don't care what you think of this but there was a Chinese crew there and they all camped in one campsite but they booked out the whole of Seapoint.
So no one else could be there no one else could fish there. There's there's my there's on 50 50 on it. I'm 50 50 on it. There's a party minute thinks that's fucking smart But there's a part that sort of really pisses me off. You know what I mean? I can imagine it. that's cold. So yeah the old salty dog was nappy. And I think that's the thing mate. Again like most things in life, you know first in
first served or you know, first in best dressed or whatever. But yeah, there's got to be again, I think that's that thing where if, if that was an option, because anyone can do it like you and I could do it, man. We could book two years in advance. We could book for 2027. So for example, and we could book Steep Point out for a month if we wanted to. And just you and me go there and fish and no one go in there. I'm not a mad fan of that. I think if people, I think if that's
something that we know happens, I think there should just be a cut off where you can only camp there for two weeks. Or you can only camp there for a week. I don't know, mate. I don't want to be the fun police or whatever, because I think it's half, it's quite cheeky, it's quite smart. But I think, you know, you've got to let everyone, everyone gets limited time off to get to the same point. The fish don't bite there all year round. Yeah, to think that someone could go in there and have 10 blokes all just camp on one site.
but booked the whole fucking place out. I don't know. I've been 50 -50 on it. I don't know. And I'd love to hear what people, you know, get in the comments, George. Let us know. There's two, two subjects. What do you think about people, you know, cutting up and all that? Everyone's young, because it should be allowed, you know, on a June, the sand blows, you wouldn't ever know anyone was there. But not near children. Let us know your thoughts. No messes with myself or Brad.
And should you, I love that, that's the best thing. Should you be allowed to book out the whole campsite? You know, some sites probably you can't because there might be like 20 sites, but what's the point? We're probably wrecked it for everyone. We're talking about not ruining fucking spots for people. And now everyone's going to go book out the whole of Steep Point. Well, my understanding is a known thing to do.
Old Salty Dog wasn't talking like it was a fucking runoff, like he was talking where it's a regular thing. A lot of people know about it. I know the Ranger, so what also happened there, mate? And yeah, I don't know, like I don't know whether I am talking out of school, mate, but I think at the end of the day, too, what was also happening there, mate, whereas if I'm camping there, so I'm allowed to have four people within my campsite, so I could book the campsite.
And myself and Fiek, I can't remember whether it was a vehicle thing. I think you could have two vehicles there or whatever. But so you could come along and come down there for a fish and just yarn to me and say, I can't get a bloody spot. It's like, mate, come and jump on my side. Yeah. I think you actually can do that because you're allowed certain people or whatever there. But it's a bit of trickery, you know, like on the same token, mate, what I do know what was going on there too was
People were booking sites and saying, well, I'm going to stay there for a week. Just booking for a week in case they were enjoying themselves, but we're leaving early because of shit weather or whatever the case may be. Just by chance saying to someone like, fuck it, we're leaving today. We've still got three days booked here. Do you want to stay here? The Ranger at Steep Point, man, was allowing that to happen.
as long as you communicated it with him. Because obviously he does his rego checks every day and all the rest of it. So, and because it happened in front of us and our mate came down there, made sure on our first day when we arrived, checked in on us and then went over and seen our mate and he said, look, our mate's going to stay here, we're going to piss off. And he said, no worries, I'll grab your rego. I don't know whether he got charged or I can't, I don't, it's not my business. But the Ranger didn't just say, cause they...
I guess to a certain extent man, like they're entitled within reason to almost double book that. Do you know what I mean? There's no one there. They could just cancel it on the bookings online and someone could just jump back in there. Our mate's already paid for his three extra days, but he wasn't. I hope I'm not dopping that Ranger anymore. He might be gone. Big shout out to our mate. Yeah, cheers mate. It was great meeting you.
You're a cracker caretaker. I hope you enjoyed your time at Street Point, mate. But anyway, next year I'll see you over in South Australia. But look, I mean at the end of the day, I'm sure it happens, mate. And I think that's the Aussie spirit. And I hate to think that we'd lose sight of the Aussie spirit about looking after each other, helping each other out. And at the end of the day, if I'm not going to be there, mate, and I've paid for it, who cares, mate? If I can see yourself and your miss -o jump in there and...
Now all I'd expect is you guys just to pay it forward. I'm a big believer in paying it forward, mate. If you and Shannon went to stay there and you were there for two days and you said, fuck this, this is rubbish. You're not catching any fish, it's windy, it's buggery. And there was one night left or whatever. Yell at some old other salty dog and say, you want to jump in here for the night? Yeah, mate. Someone's paying for the spot, mate. The government aren't losing. The caretaker's not losing because it's not coming out of his pocket. Fair game, I think.
But yeah, but mate, I'd love to hear from the viewers and the audience out there, mate. Please leave a comment for us and just let us know what you think about booking out the whole area wherever you go. And is it fair game? Like if the booking's free online and you want to go there and book the whole place out and watch your thoughts. I'd be interested to know the puns then, mate. Good talking to you, mate.
They'd just get rich and just book every campsite out 20 spots. If you're rich enough, you'd book out the whole Durga Island. Well, I think we're, what are we keeping around an hour? I've got just about an hour and a half. So again, we'd really love feedback on, you know, should we just quit while we're ahead or what? Like I said, there's
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We want positive and negative feedback, but don't just load us up with like, don't rename our podcast for two vlogs like those other loads. But yeah, so mate, I'm keen as to keep it going. There's a million things we could talk about. And I'm sure that, you know, there's a million things out there that people can relate to. And I'm sure the topics that we've spoken about today, plenty of other people have been around it and heard it and seen it. And I'm sure they've got some input, mate. So, mate.
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