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Future-proof your leadership with High Octane Leadership, a place where business leaders (whether by title or aspiration) share cheat codes for unlocking workplace excellence, lessons learned along the way, and insider tips for future generations of next-level professionals.
With two decades of experience leading and growing multi-million dollar firms, host Donald Thompson is a serial entrepreneur and investor who worked his way to success with hustle and humility. He’s an expert in goal achievement, influencing company culture, and driving exponential growth. A Certified Diversity Executive, Donald is also CEO and co-founder of The Diversity Movement, a multi award-winning product-driven consultancy which offers an employee-experience product suite to personalize diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) through data, technology, and expert-curated content.
Each week on The Donald Thompson Podcast, he talks leadership, competitive learning, diversity and inclusion, and business growth through personal development with guests who are shaping the future of work. Find him on Linkedin, and listen here to learn how you can become future-proof too.
Don - 00:00:00:
You can't stop me, nothing's going to stand in my way I'm going to fly. You're listening to the High Octane Leadership podcast with Donald Thompson. The world is shifting around you. None of us were trained for this changing environment. You need High Octane Leadership in an Empathetic World before your business is swallowed alive. This podcast focuses on actionable hands-on tools you can use to become a high octane leader today and grow strong leaders throughout your organization to survive tomorrow. Join me along with global C-suite leaders, rising stars, ambitious entrepreneurs and other leaders from across industries as we dissect, interrogate, and redefine High Octane Leadership in an Empathetic World. This podcast is your home for uncovering the tools, lessons, and strategies you need to push your leadership to the next level. Welcome to another episode of High Octane Leadership in an Empathetic World. We have today a guest, a good friend of mine, Rajeev Kapur. One of the things that is exciting about today's episode is we're going to talk about Rajeev's new book. It is focused on artificial intelligence. The title of the book, AI Made Simple: A Beginner's Guide to Generative Intelligence. Rajeev, before we dive into the business elements, background, career, and specifically your new book on AI. Introduce yourself to our audience. Tell them a little bit about yourself that we wouldn't find on LinkedIn.
Rajeev - 00:01:35:
Wow, that you wouldn't find on LinkedIn. Well, first of all, thanks for having me, I appreciate it. And thanks for your team to help put this on. And I really appreciate your guys' time and the listeners who are actually listening right now. I appreciate your time as well. Something you wouldn't find on LinkedIn, you know. I'm born and raised Southern California, boy, So, everything sports related to me is everything is LA based, except for the Clippers. We don't like the Clippers here. But beyond that, I will tell you, you know, I actually got the writing bug during COVID. So I actually wrote my first book during COVID. And the name of that book is called Chase Greatness. I know we're going to touch on that briefly. And then I wrote the second book that you mentioned, but I got that writing bug and I've actually written three movie screenplays and I actually have an agent who's repping me to sell those movie screenplays. So there you go.
Don - 00:02:25:
That is awesome. And that's definitely super, super interesting. One of the things that we all hit that bug as business leaders is we think about writing that book. We think about writing that movie. But life gets in the way. So before we dive in, I'm interested into what was that tipping point for you that moved it from this thing I want to do, good intentions, to actually putting pen to paper, so to speak and getting it done?
Rajeev - 00:02:54:
Well for the first book, life gotten away, but life paused during COVID, right? So here you are working from home. I mean, I can only walk my dog a couple times a day. He got tired of me walking him 15 times a day. I couldn't go anywhere, I couldn't do anything. And forget about whether, I mean, I have no problem telling people I used to wear masks and I got vaccinated and all that stuff. I don't have any issues with that. But you know when you fly on an airplane, Don, what's the one thing that the flight attendant tells you when you sit down when they're doing the briefing? Well, in case of turbulence, put your own mask on first. And the reason why... And to tell you that is that if something happens to you, you can't help the person sitting next to you. And so I needed to do something where I was putting my own mask on first, no pen intended. I decided to write the book, so that's when I wrote the first book. And I had notes from everywhere. I'll make sure you do too. I had notes on my phone, notes on my laptop, notes on the whiteboard, notes in 14 different folders. It's like, I wasn't organized. I didn't know what to do. So I just took the time during COVID and I put all my notes in order and I started writing my outline and I got things going and I wrote about 70% of the book and then I hit a wall. And then, I'm a member of this organization called YPO, the Young Presidents' Organization. Even though I'm an old fart now, I joined it when I was a lot younger. And I reached out to some people and they put me in touch with this publisher and they decided to help me out a little bit. I got an editor and someone helped me with the cover and helped me with the overall look and feel of the book and the flow. And just took the big leap during the COVID timeframe. So the first book was, it was a labor of love during COVID. After I wrote the first book, I wrote my first movie screenplay, and then the book came out in November of 2021. Was a media bestseller and it's called Chase Greatness: Enlightened Leadership for the Next Generation of Disruption, and I talk about how in the next couple of years, there's going to be massive disruption in the workforce, not just from AI, but from other things, and we can talk about that. And then when ChatGPT was released to the masses end of November, early December. You know, and I had been certified in AI from MIT a couple times. I mean, this is going to change the world. It would be easy for people to just jump on ChatGPT and learn it. But there's something more here. And so I started writing the book and I wanted to write a book that my mom would understand. That people who are not technical would understand. And so hence, AI Made Simple was born. And like I was telling you in the rundown before we started. I was thinking about calling it AI for Dummies, but I couldn't do that for obvious reasons. But there you go, AI Made Simple. So let's see where it goes. I'm excited for it.
Don - 00:05:37:
That is fantastic. One of the things that you described that I'd like you to unpack a little bit, right, is AI is going to change the world, right? And one of the things that I remember when the internet shopping, and I'm using that specific term, and malls were going to go away and change the world. What about AI makes you say it's going to change the world in such an intentional way that you phrased it?
Rajeev - 00:06:04:
So here's the thing. I'll give you a few examples. Number one is AI is going to do the one thing money can't do. Money can't buy time, but AI can buy you time. A task that normally would have taken maybe three or four hours, you can now do in three or four minutes. What are you going to do with all that extra time? It's definitely going to allow you to become more efficient at work. It's going to allow you to potentially put out more in terms of output. It's going to allow you to really think about new ways of creativity. I did a demo this morning and one of the demos I gave was we planned a five-day retreat to Sicily all using ChatGPT. And it gave hotel recommendations, restaurant recommendations. One of the people had a food allergy, so they were vegan. So it made recommendations for people who are vegan. And so it doesn't matter if you like to be vegan or not. The point of it is, is that you can use these tools to do those things. Something that would have taken you hours to do it did in minutes, and you don't have to use it. But it gave you an amazing foundation of moving forward on how to basically use these tools and how to basically set up your vacation or whatever it might be. So it's going to buy time, right? It's going to give people back time. The question I have for people is, what are you going to do if you had extra time? You can do anything you want, right? That's one of the things it's going to do. It's going to enhance our creativity, like I mentioned. But at the same time, there's going to be potentially challenges out there as well. Just like there's good AI, there's going to be bad AI. You have to watch out for the Superman effect. Well, what's the Superman effect? Imagine if Superman was raised by the cartel in Colombia. With Superman.
Don – 00:07:42:
That's right.
Rajeev – 00:07:43:
Like what type of Superman would we have? The same thing here is with AI. There's going to be challenges. So would that mean there's going to be whole new opportunities? If you think about the world, if you think about organizations and companies that exist today, I mean, we're recording this on Riverside. I guarantee you, Riverside didn't exist 10 years ago, but it exists now because of the explosion of podcasts. And think about all the people that are now employed by Riverside. Think about all the tools, all the new companies that have started in the last 10, 15 years because of the mobile revolution, the social media revolution, the advancement in technology, whether it's a Netflix or an Airbnb or an Uber or whatever, those companies now employ thousands of people, right? Thousands of jobs got displaced, but new jobs got created. The same thing is going to happen here. So it's just a natural evolution, in my view, of what's coming. And the more you can embrace and learn these tools, the better off you're going to be. Now, I'll tell you this, and I mean this 100% certainty. In the next few years. You don't have to use AI in your company. You don't have to use it yourself. I'll tell you, what I know for sure is that companies and people that don't use AI are going to be replaced by companies that do. So which one do you want to be?
Don - 00:08:58:
That is powerful and I appreciate the example of planning a retreat using AI. Because one of the things when you use a term that is new to many, is what are the use cases, right? What are the things to where I can apply this to my everyday life? So my question to you is you mentioned writing this beginner's guide, right? So the non-technical, the non-MIT grad could understand what would be that foundation of learning what AI can do for me so that I can buy back more of that time versus getting lost in kind of the buzzword salad of it.
Rajeev - 00:09:35:
That's a great question. And I can tell you that there's probably three different buckets to look at. There's a business bucket from that perspective, there's a personal bucket and a family bucket. So let's start with the business side. On the business side, there's the F around and find out portion of this whole thing and opportunity, right? Which is you got to just go, get it, get 3.5. It's, you know, or pay the 20 bucks a month to get ChatGPT 4.0. I'm paying the $20 a month for myself. I'm also paying it for over 80% of my employees. I've got 140 employees. I'm paying it for roughly 112 of them, I think I'm paying for 4.0. The other ones can get by with 3.5. And you got to just start using it. You have to just try. And so the biggest thing I talk about in the book is, “hey, just open it up. Don't be afraid. Pretend you're talking to another human on the other side of the screen, but someone who's really fast at responding to you”. It's, you know, and what people don't understand is that they've been around AI for a long time, whether it's in entertainment and media, think about Star Trek, a beam me up Scotty type stuff talking to, you know, or JARVIS from Avengers, that's all AI. That's in that entertainment side of things. But we've been surrounded by AI in our personal lives, in our business lives, every single day. Netflix uses AI. Rajeev, you watch this show, now I recommend you watch this show. That's AI. Google Maps, Apple Maps is using AI to better its directional finding for you. It's bettering its GPS, right? Tesla, if you have a Tesla and you have the self-driving car feature. It's using AI to better how you use the car. Amazon, everybody who's listening to this has an Amazon account, I bet. And what does it say on Amazon? People who bought this book, also like this book. Because you bought this product, we recommend you use this product. That's all AI. Now that's using machine learning AI. That's a different kind of AI. But we're using it, right? Same thing goes for Apple, Siri, those things. That's all AI, right? And you know when people complain sometimes if you're talking on your phone, then all of a sudden you open up Instagram and it gives you an ad for something similar to what you were just talking about because the phones listen to you, that's all AI. So we've all been surrounded by this AI stuff for a long time. We just don't realize it. It just has morphed. It's morphed to this generative AI piece. And people just get a little scared because it's like a machine answering you, not a human answering you. And so you've got to just get in there and forget about the fact that a machine's answering, pretend it's a human answering you. So that's what we really talk about first and foremost, which is don't be afraid, just start using it. Have fun with it. There's so many cool, fun things you can do with this tool. If you want to write a book, ask it to help you write a treatment or an outline for whatever book you want to use. People say, “Rajeev, did you use ChatGPT to write this book?” No, I didn't, but there are examples in the book where we specifically call out, where I specifically call out, that this was written by ChatGPT, so we give it different examples, and you can have fun with it. You know, if you have to give a toast at a wedding, use ChatGPT to help you write the toast. If you have to go and you feel like you want to write a poem because it's your boyfriend or girlfriend's, it's your wedding anniversary, and you want to tell them how much you love them, you want to write a poem, have ChatGPT help you write that poem. If you're a musician and you really want to maybe, you want to think about maybe writing a new song, well, use ChatGPT to maybe help you, give you some guidelines on the lyrics or what to think about. So, start off by just having some fun. You know, one of the things I see a lot of people doing now is they're planning their meals using ChatGPT. Maybe you want to lose some weight and you want to lose 20 pounds, ask it to give you a plan on how to do that. And it will. It'll tell you what food to eat, what not to eat. You know, one of the things I've been playing around with is how to make the world's best chocolate chip cookies. It gives me the recipe and we go experiment with it. We try it. So, there's so many cool, fun little things that you can do. You just got to go in and you got to just start using it. You got to get comfortable with it.
Don - 00:13:35:
That's powerful. I really like the analogy, the Superman effect. And I hadn't heard it built that way before, right? What if Superman was raised by the cartel? So now let's talk about AI and generative intelligence and what are some of the things that we need to be thinking about, right, as a society to make sure that we're gravitating towards the good, but we're also being thoughtful about some of the downsides of new technology and how it could be manipulated.
Rajeev - 00:14:04:
I mean look, there's that old saying with great power comes great responsibility. You know, and if you think about from a social media perspective, the good news is that everybody who has social media has a voice. The bad news of social media is that everyone has a voice. The same thing is going to be here. The good news is everyone has access to these tools. The bad news is everyone has access to these tools. There are people out there who will create deepfakes. And for those of you not familiar with a deepfake, a deepfake is when someone can take my image, my voice, create a video of me saying something really bad that I didn't say, and it looks and sounds like me. We have an election coming next year. I guarantee you, there's going to be some deepfakes out there of Biden and Trump, of them doing stuff that they didn't do. The whole idea of truth is going to be blurred, and you have to be careful with that. And companies are going to come out of this, and there's going to be new companies that are going to come out, and all you know what they're going to do? The whole job is going to be to identify deepfakes. Intel's got a new product called the Deepfake Detector that's 98% accurate. So that's an area that we have to watch out for. And that's a real example. And those are real things. You can go on right now on YouTube or you can ask it to show you Frank Sinatra AI. You'll see Frank Sinatra singing Tupac. It's crazy. So, all that's possible, all that's available today, it's available to anybody that has a computer or a smartphone. But we as a society have to really think about what type of regulation is going to really matter and it's going to be up to our governments, not just in the US, but all over the world to really step up and someone's going to have to stand up and show real true leadership and really make sure that we have really good regulations in place to protect the consumers and protect businesses.
Don - 00:15:41:
One of the things, and I appreciate that very much, an example I'll share with you is I was listening to a talk, the co-founder of Apple, Wozniak, and when the Apple Card came out and he was describing that he and his wife have shared assets, same credit score, they both applied through the system for the Apple Card and his approved balance was twice as much as his wife's. How do we look at technology and make sure that we're managing some of the implicit biases that can be built into machine learning, into AI, and different things of that nature? How do we help to manage that and protect against it at whatever level that we can?
Rajeev - 00:16:26:
So, you know, my answer to your question is I really don't know. I guess if I really knew that answer, I'd share it with you. We could be billionaires somewhere to figure that out. But this is what I think. I don't know Wozniak's specific example, but I can imagine that the Apple Card was trained on some sort of algorithm and that algorithm had data in there that said, “men did this and women did this”. If that's an issue, then that's something that Apple and Goldman Sachs, I think, who's providing the finances for it, need to sit down and address. But the thing to think about is that machine learning is a human-trained thing. It's you have data, and those that have data are going to rule the world. That's just the bottom line, right? Those who have data, control data, understand data, know how to analyze the data. If you have data, you are going to be so far ahead of everybody else, you're going to rule the world. Because AI needs data. And right now, we're starting to measure the world in zettabytes, and a zettabyte is one million billion bytes of data. And in the next seven years, there's going to be 200 zettabytes of data in the world. And how can you control that data? How do you now feed that data with the right training to be able to put out really good information? The challenge with AI on the machine learning side is garbage in, garbage out. So I would imagine that somewhere along the training of that algorithm through Apple, there was a bunch of data submitted about potentially maybe women's earning power, right? Maybe not being as great as men's earning power. We all know that's an issue, right? Women don't make as much money as men. So maybe there's something out there that men are the primary breadwinners in a lot of families. So maybe that was an issue. So, and I'm just spitballing here. I have no idea what the algorithm said. So that could have been some of the things that caused that result to happen. On the generative AI side, it's a little bit different. Generative AI has learned from all the parameters and inputs that happen all over the web. And over time, I think what you're going to see is people are going to be able to train and have their own little generative AI solutions. They're going to be able to have their own private GPTs. I know that, for example, JP Morgan is working on finance GPT. One of my analytics companies is working on data GPT, where it's a private GPT just trained on our own data. And over time, I can imagine families will have their own little mini versions of GPTs in the next five or six years, where it's just been trained on whole family dynamics or an individual's dynamics. All that's coming down the road. But that's way out there, man. That's future scientific stuff. But from a simplistic perspective. You know, you just got to use the tools. You got to just start by asking it simple questions and pretend you're having a conversation. And over time, learning how to write those prompts in ChatGPT, that's going to be the real science. Prompt engineering is a thing. There's a job right now on Netflix, I know you may have seen this, but Netflix has a job opening right now for a prompt engineer that's making $900,000 a year. That's crazy. Why is this strike happening right now in Hollywood? The writer strike and the acting strike? Well, because AI tools can mimic people's faces. And the studios can then use that without having to pay anybody. That's not right, so that's why that actor strike happened. The writers are saying, “wait a minute, you can just use AI to write scripts and treatments for movies or TV shows”, and you don't need so many writers anymore. And so they're trying to protect their IP, and they should be striking because it's a problem. It's going to be an issue, and it's something that the studios and the streamers are going to have to come to grips with in order to really help that group of people and really put out really good quality content. Because the real answer isn't use AI or don't, use writers or don't, it's how do you use them both together?
Don - 00:20:14:
Yeah, that's powerful. And I appreciate the example on the prompt engineering, because it's just like in the marketing space, your subject line for your email marketing, your targeting, your different things. It seems to me with ChatGPT, and I've used it just sparingly, it's how do you lead it to give you data that is valuable? How do you create that appetite for insight, if you will? And so that makes a lot of sense. Here's my next question. I'm going to pull it back to more business holistically and ask about the highlights from chasing greatness, which is another one of your books. That's a big term, right? What are some of the things that you touch on in your learning and your guidance for future leaders, future dream chasers to meet and exceed their goals?
Rajeev - 00:21:07:
That's a great question. In the opening of the podcast, you guys talk about empathy. So if you think about Chase Greatness, the word great and greatness is an acronym. And their acronym is five, is that acronym great stands for gratitude, resilience, empathy, accountability, and transparency. To me, those are the five key attributes all future leaders need to exhibit in order to deal with the coming change in the workforce. So what is that coming change? Couple things, in the next couple years, by 2025, maybe 2026 at the latest, the majority of the workforce is going to be Gen Z millennial, and for the first time, women will have a slight majority of the workforce in the US. So people can talk all they want about wokeness and all that fun stuff. But guess what? The boomer generation is leaving the workforce in droves. Gen Xers are getting older. And if you want to criticize millennials in Gen Z, just remember one thing. They're our kids. So if anything, look in the mirror, because we raised them. That's number one. Number two is every generation evolves. Think about our generation. I'm a Gen Xer, right? I lived in the South Carolina Valley. I was a Valley dude, right, in the 80s. You know, what would people say about us? We're a bunch of degenerates. We're a bunch of headbangers, you know? You know, rap music is going to ruin your brain, right? So we all, every generation goes through something like this. Generationally, you can't stop it because you can't stop time. So this disruption's coming to the workforce. And how are you going to embrace it? What type of culture are you going to build? And I'm just here to tell you that in order to have a successful company, in order to be an amazing leader in the future, I just personally believe that those five attributes of gratitude, resilience, empathy, accountability, and transparency are going to be key. Why those five? Why not others? Sure, there could have been others. Those are the five that resonated with me. Plus it's easy to have a book title that way. So why gratitude? Gratitude, if you ask Satya Nadella, the CEO of Microsoft, the guy that replaced Steve Ballmer, he'll tell you the number one thing that turned Microsoft around, he believes was gratitude. And I agree. To me, gratitude has been a real mindset shift for me and my organization over the last few years, where we really go out of our way to treat with the idea of respect. As a matter of fact, it's so important. My most important customer is my employees. So my employees are my number one customer, right? From there during COVID, resilience became a big thing. I mean, I mean, you know, there was no case study for me to go read. There was no Harvard case study on COVID for me to go read. No, there's no mentor for me to go call. I mean, I was an executive at Dell for a long time. I worked for Michael Dell. I couldn't call Michael and say, “Michael, what do I do?” He's been looking at me, say, “I have no idea. We're making this up”. Everybody's making it up. So I just decided that, you know what, we're going to be highly resilient in my organization and hopefully we're the case that they write about in 10 years at Harvard. Having empathy in an organization. I grew up in an organization structure where if you needed to go talk to the boss, you better come with three solutions. That's stupid. I mean, I realize now how stupid that is. You know why that's stupid? It's stupid because you're the CEO. You're the leader of the team for a reason. You have experiences. If you're telling people, don't talk to me unless you have three examples, guess what, they're not going to come and talk to you. Or they're going to give you one good idea and two shitty ideas. They're just wasting time. But the reason why having that open door policy is so important is so they can come in and say, “hey, boss. I'm stuck. You have experiences. How can you help me?” You know, and guess what? You might have an idea, a suggestion, an experience that might help unlock a piece of creativity in your employee that maybe they didn't realize that they had. That's why you're the boss, because you have experience. Don't hide your empathetic experience behind this idea. Just come to me when you have three ideas for us to talk about. No, if you have no ideas, you're stuck, you need help, come and talk to me. I want to be empathetic. I want to listen to what you have to offer. But at the same time, guess what? I'm going to hold you accountable. We're going to do all these fun things and we're going to have an amazing culture, but we're still going to have accountability and KPIs and OKRs that we're going to measure. You're going to be held accountable, and I'm going to be held accountable. But in order to do that, I want you to trust me. But in order before you can trust me, I have to be transparent. And that's what I learned during COVID, right? During COVID, we had to lay people off and we did pay cuts and we did all these kinds of crazy things and that sucked. But within six months or so, we were able to return a lot of that because the company started doing really well. And we didn't take any PPP money, which I'm pretty proud of. And so, we were able to do that because I was very transparent with them and told them what needed to be done. And the more transparent I was with them, the more they bought in. I mean, it wasn't just with the employees. We were highly transparent with our vendors as well, with our suppliers. And we went to them and said, “look, here's the problem. Here's our situation. We lost over half our business overnight. We need your help. What can you do for us? We need a discount, extended payment terms”, whatever. I'll tell you, we have hundreds of vendors and suppliers, every single one of them, did something for us, except for one. And that one that didn't, we actually put them out to bid and the CEO came to me and apologized, said they should have helped us and they didn't, but anyways, they gave us a good deal later on. But even the big guys, Microsoft, Amazon, Amazon Cloud guys, you name it, they gave us, our internet guys, they gave us nine-month payment terms instead of 30 days. So people helped us because we were transparent and we were good to our word and we expressed our gratitude. So those are the key attributes I think of what the future looks like and you're going to have a changing workforce. There's nothing you can do to stop it. So embrace it.
Don - 00:27:17:
I really appreciate both the detailed description of the book and the acronym grade. I also, in my notes, and I'm taking a lot of notes from this conversation, the point that you make about the math, the Gen Zers, the millennials, right? The women in the workplace. These numbers, in terms of the demographic of business, are facts. And so a lot of times when people are talking about DEI, wokeness, I don't understand all this, they're getting confused with social justice and running a big and powerful growing business. And if you're running a growing business, then you have to take real data into your psyche. And how am I going to deal with this data, whether I like it or not, right? And if you're marketing to a new group or segment, growing market share, people necessarily understand that. But leaders that are going to be empathetic like you, leaders that are going to go next level like you, understand that their employees now, by default the way business is, have to be that number one customer. Because employees are looking for a personalized work experience, right? In order for them to be productive and grow. So I like the, and appreciate the way that you've delved into that. My final question that I have, because we've covered a lot, I'm looking forward to digging into the AI Made Simple and Chasing Greatness. If you had a magic wand and you're looking at business and learning and growth, what What would you do with that magic wand? There's so much turmoil in our country. There's this right and left component. Everybody's looking for a way to be pissed off at each other. If you had that magic wand and could improve the business, the world that we live, what would you do with that magic wand?
Rajeev - 00:28:59:
A magic wand, I would really make it so people didn't see color. I think that's a big issue. You were talking about social justice a moment ago. You know the thing when the whole George Floyd thing happened, I realized I had to say something and do something, and I realized that the demographic statistics of my company, 47% of the people would not necessarily be supportive of anything I did, right? So, I decided I'm going to give everybody a paid day off to go vote. So every year now for the last three years, we're going to do it again here on November 7th of this year, even though it's an off-cycle election period. I shut my company down for a day and I give them a payday after to go vote. And it might just be local elections, it might be whatever, but sometimes these things happen locally and people say, “what if they vote by mail?” Well, if they vote by mail, then I encourage them to go be a poll worker. Go get involved in your local community. And if they don't want to do that, then they just got a free day to have a mental wellness day to go hang out with their family and go do whatever they want to go do. But I feel like by doing that, I empower my employees and their families to go stand up for what they believe in. They don't have to believe in what I believe in, but I'm giving them the power to go voice their opinion and go work in a way that the business is not going to stand in the way for them to have a better life. Because at the end of the day, this concept of enlightened leadership, is built on servant leadership. And servant leadership says, “I'm here to help you be successful in the company”. That's what it says. “I'm the CEO, what tool do you need to be successful?” And light leadership says, “not only am I here to help you be successful in the business, what can I do to support you to help you be successful outside the walls of the business?” And hopefully that's a good answer for you to run with.
Don - 00:30:50:
I think it's a great answer. It's thoughtful and precise from the chair that you sit in. And I think the thing that I describe to leaders, whether it's in my coaching practice or what I do on boards, is do what you can with what you have, but take action. And that's what you did. It's not that we're all going to prescribe and do our part to grow society, to grow better workplaces the same, but do what we can to make a difference in the areas where we have influence. And that's what you're describing. Rajeev, I could literally, my friend, talk to you all day. I've got lots of questions. And I really have enjoyed hearing your voice on some of the things I read about you. And I know that our folks will enjoy it as well. I'm going to leave you with the last word. How can people get in touch with you? How can they buy the book if they want to follow up? Just leave with some parting thoughts on what you'd like folks to do next if they enjoyed this conversation and want to learn more.
Rajeev - 00:31:48:
Yeah, so I appreciate that. So both books are available on Amazon. There's a paperback version available as well. Again, that's AI Made Simple. Go to Amazon, check it out. Chase Greatness on Amazon is also available. Feel free to reach out to me on LinkedIn. There's a couple of Rajeev Kapur's because Rajeev Kapur in India is like Steve Smith. So just make sure you find the one with the books. And the name of my company is 1105 Media. That's 1105 Media, so check that out. And then, you know, just, if anybody has any questions or needs to reach out, LinkedIn's a great place to connect with me and to send me a message and I'm more than happy to connect and help anybody who needs it.
Don - 00:32:26:
That is awesome. And we'll put all that information as well in the show notes. And Rajeev, again, thanks for being with us. Thanks for the insight. And thanks for making AI a little bit more simple. And quite frankly, the parting thought is you just got to play with it and try it. Don't let the boogeyman get you. Just jump in there and figure out some use-cases that work for you.
Rajeev - 00:32:46:
Yeah, I'll tell you, if people just jump in there, start playing with it, they're going to have so much fun. They're going to, this could be great.
Don - 00:32:52:
All right, my friend. Rajeev, thanks a bunch. Until next time, DT over and out, hack team leadership in an empathetic world. And hope you all enjoyed the time with Rajeev as much.