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The fun & fascinating stories of Supply Chain & Logistics.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:00:02] Hi, my name is Bryndis Whitson and you're listening to the Zebras to Apples podcast, the fun and fascinating stories of supply chain logistics. Today we're sitting down with my friend Anna Murphy, and we're discussing politics. And you think "politics, but this is a show about logistics and supply chain. What does politics have to do with that?". But when you're looking at a campaign, when you're looking at a leader's office, when you're looking at organizing a schedule in general, it's all about logistics. How does that fit in? How do we work through a schedule? How do we make sure that we're going from place to place to place? And that's what part of our conversation is today, is really talking about how logistics is also in politics. I hope you enjoy this episode. Thank you so much and have a wonderful day. So we're here today with Anna Murphy. Welcome, Anna. And what we're going to discuss today is everything about politics and how it relates to logistics.
Anna Murphy: [00:01:12] Thanks for inviting me, Bryndis.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:01:14] So tell me a little bit about your career history and where you've worked, where you've done, and then we'll kind of get into everything.
Anna Murphy: [00:01:20] My career history is quite diverse. I have had the honor and privilege of serving some incredible leaders in the political sphere, whether the Honorable Rachel Notley, the former premier, the Honorable Carla Beck, leader of the opposition in Saskatchewan, volunteering on campaigns, for former mayor Jyoti Gondek, Brian Tyson and my 9 to 5 has varied. I got started in retail and merchandising and fashion and business and was in that for a number of years, getting to work for remarkable companies like Holt Renfrew and Nordstrom and got my start with Sears Canada in Lloydminster. And so my career has really spanned multiple sectors. But in the last decade especially in particular the last five years, the focus of my career really has been on advocacy and community building and public service. That is a little bit about my career.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:02:44] So you started in retail and then you transitioned into politics. And I can see the similarities from retail into politics. I know it's more about passion, which is why you switched into politics, but I'm pretty sure that some of the things you learned within the retail environment probably helped you in the political world, but let's get more into your political conversation.
Anna Murphy: [00:03:12] You know, the reality is that my existence is political. I'm a woman. I am someone who is transgender. And so my existence is political and it always has been. And so that's what drove me into politics, because quite frankly, I didn't have a choice. You know, when you are having to advocate to the government at that time, it was to bring back funding and so as we grow older, as we mature, we discover more of ourselves. We learn more about who we are. And so the passion became less so about what ultimately seems like very, very trivial things now, like fashion and design and all of that. There is a place for that in the world. But with everything that's been going on, especially in the last five years, it didn't fill my cup the way that it used to. And there was a need to get more involved, to speak out, to advocate, to do everything possible. So I would say, yeah, retail didn't exactly drive me toward it didn't lead me towards politics. But, I would say that what I took from my experiences in retail, and working in styling. Working in service environments is again that sense of service. And so when you in terms of the roles that I have held in whether it be on a campaign, whether it be a volunteer, whether it be briefly as a paid staffer, you're in service. You're in service to the elected. You're in service to the constituents that the elected serves. And you're ultimately in service of your community.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:05:31] Definitely. And the one thing I've always kind of seen as someone who's also done staffing politically, there's a whole bunch of different pieces that are involved in that kind of area that we normally don't think of. Once we're involved in that political aspect, we see it. But from someone who's just observing it from the outside, we don't realize how much is involved when we're working for political leaders, because you have to always make sure that you're understanding not only the situation of whatever meeting they're about to attend, but where are they going? How are we getting to the next meeting? What's involved in all those different steps, too.
Anna Murphy: [00:06:22] You know, Bryndis, it's a great question. What do you learn? And the reality is that even for folks who have gone to school, who have went on to study political science, until you are on the job, until you are doing the job, no one fully understands the the complexities of serving in the role of whether you're on a campaign or working in the public service, whether, you know, City Hall, legislature, House of Commons and what it ultimately is your job to do is to embolden and empower the elected that you are there to serve. Whether that is, again, whether they are a councilor, whether they are an MLA, whether they are a member of parliament or of course, these individuals can go on to have much bigger portfolios. So whether we're talking about a premier, whether we're talking about a leader of opposition, a mayor, a prime minister, a minister with a portfolio, parliamentary secretary, and so on, there is the everyday, I think, as you mentioned putting meetings in calendars and things like that. And that's to be expected. When you're in a role, which in my case was very much that of serving in a capacity of executive assistant to Miss Notley. And as a tour officer as someone who traveled with Miss Notley and helped to coordinate and arrange both her day to day as well as supporting the opposition caucus in the legislature and throughout the province.
Anna Murphy: [00:08:23] But you have so much more, and it really is both an art and a science when it comes to political staffing. Number one, you have to have some kind of understanding of politics and understand the political climate, when you are serving in these roles. And so you have to be engaged. You have to understand. Again, you don't have to be an expert, but you do have to be able to read the room, as it were. And so you get into a place where it goes so much beyond just putting a meeting in a calendar or printing off speaking notes or whatever it is. And you really get into a place where you are helping them and those around them to have everything that they need in order to lead. And so whether it's your comms director, your chief of staff, your policy director, your MLAs, your other MPs, there's a difference between party versus caucus. And so you're juggling a lot in your day to day.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:09:59] Definitely. And I could go on about this kind of area, etc.. But looking at the tour perspective because you were mentioning the tour a few times. And can you explain what a tour is for just someone who doesn't know that? And then we'll kind of get in from there.
Anna Murphy: [00:10:22] So tour is, I mean, it's not unlike the word where you are touring around, where whether it is in this case, you see it more provincially and federally because of the very real reality that those elected individuals have a very large area to serve. And when it comes to tour, you are particularly focused on the leader as well as the MLA. So you're really focused on, you know, engaging and helping to move people around and to organize events and to coordinate stakeholder meetings and everything that goes on and goes into what you would require in order in order to do that, whether it's, you know, venue or tech or accommodations, uh, you know, transportation and so on and so forth, working with the other colleagues. So whether it's other other MLAs or other MPs and their teams and their offices. If you think of a musician when they go on tour. They go to many different cities because all of their fans want to see them and engage with them and go out, and in politics it's much the same except our job in government, whether that's serving in government or opposition, both play a key role in our democracy or whether it's on a political campaign.
Anna Murphy: [00:12:08] Our job is to go out and connect with as many individuals every day, hard working individuals in every community that we possibly can. And so the reality is that you need help when you're doing that, whether you're dealing with 80 plus candidates or you're dealing with 30, a 30 plus caucus or even a two member caucus. If we look at our current federal electeds, and a caucus of two, but both of them have high profile portfolios. We just saw a minister visit Calgary, so there would have been a lot of logistics involved with that around what she was doing, where she was going. Does she have everything that she needs? Everything from speaking notes to, you know, transportation to and from and so on and so forth. We see the prime minister visiting Alberta frequently because of the key role that it plays. And so there's a lot more logistics that go into that. You're dealing with security details, you're dealing with motorcades. You can't just go anywhere. You can't just roll into a community with the prime minister of Canada.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:13:27] There's so many other pieces that have to be set up before then.
Anna Murphy: [00:13:32] Yeah. And it's not indifferent with a premier or a former premier. As the case was with me there. So the tour really is there to support all of those moving pieces. And then depending on how the org chart is set up, you will see, and the person's the elected executive assistant feeding into that or separate. But again both of these have to work in very close connection to one another. So tour and the executive assistant to a leader again. And this is something that the audience will most likely not know is again, not every elected has a tour that is something that is afforded to the entire group, again caucus, and really focused on the obligations of the leader and of the whole. So if you have a leader during a press conference, you will have the MLAs that are relevant to that portfolio or to that community or candidates, as if we're talking about a campaign. And so you are there to support the caucus as a whole and particularly the leader's office. So it's not you're doing this for necessarily not every MLA has someone that's going to do tours or executive assistant or something like that.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:15:13] Well it's interesting. And as you were talking, I was thinking back to a few years ago when I did National Transportation Policy roundtables and that we did six roundtables across the country, and they were in Halifax, Toronto, Montreal. Then we had the weekend off, and then we did Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg, but it was February. So, you know, you get a snowy day like we have today in Calgary. And it kind of changes the entire trip completely. And so we got into a situation where it was hard to get into Halifax then, how do you get to Toronto? And then they canceled a flight. So you're dealing with all those different logistics as well as dealing with the food at the venue and dealing with all of those different pieces. And so there's these different things that there's to quote the known unknowns and there's the things that suddenly just show up.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:16:16] Can you think of a moment where you know that you can share that where suddenly things went a little awry, and then you were able to put it back on course and make it even better.
Anna Murphy: [00:16:29] To your point, we of course live in a country and in a province and a city where the weather can fluctuate to extremes. And so that can change where you're going and how you're doing it. So, for example, if we look at today, a Monday, let's say the leader will get up in the House, there will be a question period. And if, let's say there was an event back down in Calgary, depending on the roads, depending on the circumstances, you may very well have to have to pull that down for safety reasons, of course. And because the reality is you don't want to put anyone at risk. So weather absolutely can play a factor. The issues of the day can play a factor. You know, I will never forget on campaign in 2023, my role was to oversee the more administration side for the leader and tour for Miss Notley and it was a day when it was one of those rare days on a campaign where you thought that you could, where everyone was supposed to be able to take a bit of a breath, have a bit of downtime.
Anna Murphy: [00:18:08] And unfortunately, that was the day that neighborhoods in the north part of our province were waking up and facing the most horrific day of their lives. Wildfires had started. And so the issue of the day was you now had although it's a campaign, you now have a disaster that is impacting individuals and there is still a role of government to play in that weather. And so you had emergency centers being set up. And you also had the need for the leader of the official opposition to be briefed and to be brought up to be engaged, and especially because as Premier, she, of course, navigated and led through the catastrophic and devastating Fort McMurray fires.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:19:12] So definitely so there's knowledge that's there.
Anna Murphy: [00:19:15] Absolutely. And so the day went from what it was supposed to be, which was a relatively low stress, low key day. Not very many folks were in the office, too. Now suddenly we need to move the leader from at that time Calgary to Edmonton. And so that you know of course, whether it's transportation, who is going with the individual who needs to go in these circumstances? There are certain people that have to be in the room or with the individual. And so you jump in. I was giving a Ted talk at the time. And so it was really quick when you got off the Ted talk stage and you're finally allowed to have your phone back in your hand. And basically folks are asking, can you help source whether it's lunch or whatever it is, and then can you come into the office because we're going to have to juggle. We're going to have to basically rearrange, right, the entire schedule, because not only does that day change.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:20:23] But then every other one changes.
Anna Murphy: [00:20:25] Because everything has to shuffle, because depending on what you were doing or how the strategy is, that's the other thing that plays into it. You also have to understand whether it's the campaign or political strategy. And so that can impact. And so yes, I mean that is a moment where you drop everything, you go into the office, you help get lunch for not just the leader but for your team, you also in these roles, you develop such a strong connection as a team because you can't do it alone. Not at all. And you cannot. And so you rely on each other and that's the other thing. Not only have I gotten to work with incredible transformational leaders over the last few years even though a very short period of time, unlike many others, I have also gotten to work with some of the most incredible and the hardest working political staff in Canada without question. And so you have to work with your team. You have to collaborate. You have to be there for one another because there is no one else. Well, I shouldn't say there's no one else. There's not many people that understand the stress and the pressure that goes into these things. And so your team is like your family, and even in a normal career, you spend more hours in the office. Politics and government is not 9 to 5.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:22:24] No, far from it.
Anna Murphy: [00:22:26] It is 24/7. You can get a text, you can get an email, you can get a phone call any time of day, any time of night, depending on if something goes on, if something happens, if something is about to happen the next day, for example, you learn a policy that's about to be announced and you have to scramble to coordinate a press conference. So again, venue tech, all of those sort of logistical things.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:22:59] And out of nowhere suddenly you're figuring that piece out.
Anna Murphy: [00:23:02] Yeah. And you obviously have some of those regular suspects that you would lean to in terms of finding a venue or in some cases, you reach out to your friends, maybe call in a couple of favors depending on what the circumstances are. But there are the tasks that you have to do every day. Put something in a calendar print off, you know, meeting notes, speaking notes, stuff like that. Order lunch. But that stuff is the bulk of your day is really taken up by the unknown, right?
Bryndis Whitson: [00:23:42] And fighting fires that you didn't expect you were going to fight?
Anna Murphy: [00:23:45] Yeah and of course, there is structure and so but overall in terms of your question when things don't go as planned. That's kind of the name of the game in politics, is sometimes things never go as planned. And you have to pivot. You have to. And especially when you were on the staff side of it, your job is to keep your elected, to keep your principle, to keep the leader, to help keep your team focused and going in those high pressure moments. And so those little things, whether it's getting a coffee or whatever it is that may seem mundane in those high pressure moments that actually could be what just just makes things go a little bit smoother.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:24:37] Fully. And it's making sure that all of those little pieces are going correctly, because that's what people see on the other end and might blame someone else for that. So if those little pieces don't work out quite right, that's what people notice. And so it's so key in this role to make sure that all of those little pieces that look, that actually take a little bit of work actually get done.
Anna Murphy: [00:25:07] Yeah. And, you know, the reality is, nothing is ever going to go. Nothing's ever going to be perfect.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:25:13] Never.
Anna Murphy: [00:25:13] Because we're human and it's life. But you want to be competent at your job. You want to have a really high attention to detail. The way that I have described it is your job really is to surprise and delight in the everyday and so whether it is working with vendors, working with stakeholders, working with other Electeds and and their office working, you know, within the parameters and the structures that exist there are very clear not just guidelines, they're very clear laws that guide, what you can and, and can't do and how you can do it. And is it government business versus party business? And so there is everything that you do that really requires a high attention to detail, but a desire to go beyond, because at the end of the day, what we are dealing with day to day can impact the life of someone. And often it does when someone stands up to a podium and whether it's for a press conference or a response or a rally or whatever it is, that person that is standing up there, they have so much power and influence.
Anna Murphy: [00:27:02] And so you are there to help make sure that they can deliver, whether it's setting up a teleprompter or setting up a microphone or whatever it is, or working with folks to make sure that it's set up the right way, it or whether it's going into a meeting or walking into question period or going to a community or maybe having to, you know, cancel on a community and the disappointment. There is such an immense amount of responsibility in these roles. And so if nothing is ever perfect there things are going to go wrong. Mistakes are going to happen. But you should set out with the idea of trying to surprise and delight in the everyday high attention to detail and try not to fuck it up, essentially.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:28:08] Well, and speaking from personal experience, you only have to have a mike die once to always make sure that you've got like 3 or 4 backup batteries just in case for those moments.
Anna Murphy: [00:28:21] Yeah, and you have a kit that you take with you and you check to make sure that you've got everything that you would need and require. You work with you. You work as a team, right? You oftentimes this is not a one person job. These are teams usually 4 or 5 people that are on this. And so together you are making sure, whether it's things like batteries or whatever the case may be in the kit and usually you have a kit that is ready to go. It's no different than having a go bag for, you know, when you're traveling frequently in your job. It's no different than having a go bag, when you travel a lot in your job, which in these roles you often do. But you have to work with your team and alongside your team, because that's how, ultimately, things go a little bit smoother.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:29:28] Exactly. When you look at the kind of fun moments. So you look at Stampede or one of those ones where you've got like 15, 20 events throughout a day or something like that, and you've got to keep on going. But then one person really wants to talk, and then you have to kind of quietly navigate those kinds of situations. Do you have ways that you kind of quietly move your person along and then to get to the next piece? Or are there a few kinds of pieces that you learn along the way ?
Anna Murphy: [00:30:03] Everyone is different. At the end of the day, you know, what works for one individual might not necessarily be what someone else or how they want to be engaged or staffed. That's why I said it's a bit of an art and a bit of a science. And also there's that personal, especially when you're speaking to, which is to be staffing and being a body as some might call it, to an elected person in an event like a stampede or another high profile public events, you now not only are a face, but you're also a face with. And so there is your ultimate responsibility to that elected individual in that moment and in that room and making sure that number one, they're comfortable, number two, that they are getting as much time with as many folks as needed. Sometimes there are people that you have to engage with in the room and say hello to and and move through. And then, of course depending on who we're speaking about there of course, is the reality of security and working with those individuals.
Anna Murphy: [00:31:39] And so what works for it's so different. We're all individuals. We all have you know, how do you like taking your coffee, and so in terms of, how does someone want to be moved through? It could be leaning in and quietly saying something into their ear. It could be anything from a very, very soft and very, very gentle touch on the shoulder and a very, very, very slight pressure to kind of indicate either the direction or where you want them to go. And then there are moments where you have to move them very quickly and a bit more forcefully for whatever reason, it may be whether it's a schedule, they have to get up on stage, they have to get to the back of the stage. They're about to deliver remarks. You've got to get them into the vehicle because they've got to get on a plane or whatever the case is. And then, of course, there are the moments that you hope never come, which is, you know, they may need to be moved for their safety, which thankfully I have not had to experience. But in that moment, you then as the staff you very much are diverting to their security team and you're working in collaboration with them and you very much are deferring to them because they are ultimately the people that are there to protect life and body.
Anna Murphy: [00:33:11] And so in terms of part of it is these roles are so deeply personal, and part of that is getting to know the person asking them. There is no harm in saying, "hey, when we go into this room, how would you like me to what what works best for you?". Number one, they appreciate it as any human being does. At the end of the day. You know, these are people. There are people with a lot of responsibility and a lot of power. They are people. And so asking them, you know, having a conversation beforehand with that person, it will ultimately set you up for success because they will have an idea of what either what they think will work or if they're very new to their role, you can walk them through and give them some thoughts and ideas of like, well, are you comfortable with this? Are you comfortable with that and ultimately you tailor it to the individual.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:34:18] So when you look at the last five years, the various different people you've worked with, is there a favorite moment that comes up or something that truly, when you look back, you really loved?
Anna Murphy: [00:34:35] I mean, I look back on the fact that a former premier and her team took a chance on me and and gave me a chance and an opportunity to work with her and with them and there was never a day that I woke up and said, "oh, I don't know if I feel like going in the office today.". I loved absolutely every moment of it. Even the high pressure and the high stakes moments. It is full of stress. But again, your team, your person that you're serving. And it was a hell of a privilege and an honor to get to do that for a very short period of time with someone who is such a transformational figure not only in Alberta, but arguably Canada. And so that's what I look back on is it wasn't just Miss Notley, it was her entire team. They took a chance. They gave me a chance. And I will forever and always remember that and be grateful for it. It's life changing when you get the opportunity to do this. It really, truly is. And then, you know, I've gotten to discover a love and appreciation for the province of Saskatchewan, working with the Honorable Carla Beck and her team during the campaign.
Anna Murphy: [00:36:07] And again, the team and the leader in these roles, you do become a bit of a fanatic for the individual. But part of that is because you're spending a hell of a lot of time with them. And so if you're going to spend a hell of a lot of time with an individual, you better like the person. And so often it doesn't mean that you have to agree with everything that they do or say. In fact, that's sometimes a good thing. Not that you would do it at the moment. Unless asked to. It's not unless you're in one of these roles. But I have really, truly developed respect and gratitude and love. Seems weird, but a real, true affection these women in these teams have become not just a boss, not just a colleague. In many cases, they have become friends and mentors. And so the other moments that I cherish are those ones where you get to be a fly on the wall where you get to listen; where you get to watch and you get to learn.
[00:37:39] And there are many of those. And if you are so fortunate to have that privilege, you take those you hold them very close to. And it's transformational. And so getting to run after and put in countless hours for incredible women whether it's the honorable Rachel Notley, the Honorable Carla Beck, former mayor Jyoti Gondek, you know that I love, being able to help champions and to help support really strong women. And of course, I've helped a really strong man. And of course, I've also gotten the opportunity to work with some really great men, including Brian Tyson. And finding myself very much in support of our current prime minister and volunteering and doorknocking for him and his party. So, absolutely. You know, any chance I get to support an incredible woman is very much where my heart is. But there are also some great guys out there, too.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:39:01] Exactly. So if you were giving advice to anyone kind of starting their career in this area or transitioning into this area, what advice would you give them?
Anna Murphy: [00:39:11] Well, you know, often people are like, so, where do you go to apply? The reality is I've never necessarily applied to this role. These roles often are asked to serve at the pleasure of that is what this kind of a role is. And so you can't necessarily wake up one day and say, oh, I'm going to go and I'm going to work in tours for the premier, or the Prime Minister or whoever it is. It is often a role that they learn who you are through your efforts on the usual campaign. That is usually where leaders start to see it. So by volunteering, by being involved is a critical step. Sometimes of course, yes, there will be job postings and things like that. But the best way to do it is to get involved. I spent a lot more hours and still do as a volunteer. Not all of my service has been paid. And that's okay, because the reality is you don't do this job for the money. You don't even necessarily do it as a career. No. It's a moment in time. It is a moment in time that you get to serve, to do a lot, to make as much of an impact as you can. Whether you are fortunate to have a have four years in government or four years in opposition, or whether it's a transitional year with a leader that is coming to the end of their legacy or whether it's a decade serving you ultimately are there at the pleasure of not only the person that you serve, but the voter, Yes, because every four years you might be out of a job.
Anna Murphy: [00:41:27] And so you have to become comfortable with the impermanence of your role and your own professional mortality in these roles. And so that's why I say I've spent a lot more time volunteering than I have, quote unquote, working and being paid. And you don't do this. You almost can't view this as a job, because if you just view it as another job, I would argue you shouldn't be in this because this is so important. These individuals, political staffers play such an important and key role in the day to day of what we as the public see for these electeds. And so that is what I would do, that is the advice. If you are viewing this as a job, don't do it. Yeah, it's no different than an elected person that's viewing it as don't do it. Yeah, because it's not just it is not just a job. You are in service each and every single day. Everything you do, every action you take as staff, as elected, you are doing it not for yourself. You are doing it to make the world around you a little bit better.
Anna Murphy: [00:43:00] And because you have a passion for service. So my advice would be yeah to to if you find yourself wanting to make a difference and to make a change, volunteer get out there. Find out who your local MLA or your local MP is. Find out what party they belong to. Because that's the other thing. There's a difference between elected as I've mentioned before, there's a difference. There's separation between these two. And so find out who your local member of parliament is. Shout out to Corey Hogan for Calgary Confederation in or also you know Greg McLean who who is Calgary center to great folks. Very much so that folks can can go and look to volunteer for Corey of course is is the Liberal party and Greg is is the Conservative Party. And so you would go to there so you would go to the party website and you would find out, okay, when are they doorknocking? When are they making phone calls? When are they? You basically go to the volunteer page and find out. And of course you look, you see which party best aligns with your values And sometimes you might find that, well, I kind of, sort of find myself maybe in the middle or I like both of these individuals. So you help and you support and that's the best. And that's the great thing about volunteering. nd of not being a direct employee is you can go out and you get to learn so much different places and different areas, whether you know, different geographical areas, different political areas.
[00:44:44] And so that's my shout out for that. But volunteer and get involved. And then from there, you know campaigns they come around every four years, if not sooner sometimes maybe a little bit longer. But you know, every four years you can count on there being a campaign. And campaigns require people. People and volunteers are the heart and soul of any political campaign. And so if you put yourself out there and you go forward and volunteer, that will then if you are so fortunate to get elected and to be given that. Then, of course, the people look first and foremost to who worked their ass off on the campaign, who has already shown to us that they understand the pace at which you're going. As I mentioned, this is not 9 to 5. This is 24 over seven nonstop. Some will argue about, you know, the need for balance and all of that in politics. And that's a separate conversation. The reality of the moment is that right now there really isn't much balance.
Anna Murphy: [00:45:54] And there's a lot going on in our world. So it's not 9 to 5. And so the campaign gives, the people that will ultimately help to, you know, staff up and hire a view of folks who okay, we think that they're going to be able to be successful in this and, and do a good job for us. And then from there again, however long you serve at the pleasure and privilege of. And whether that is the voter, whether that's the elected. And so whether it's a long time or a short time, you make the most of it. You go out there and you try to make as much of an impact as you can. And then when it comes to an end, you go on, you move on to whether it's working for a nonprofit or private sector. A lot of folks go into government relations or whatever else comes next. But these aren't jobs. They really, truly are a calling in a way.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:47:02] Yes. So I've really appreciated this conversation. And thank you so much for kind of showcasing these inner sides of politics and logistics that people wouldn't think of. But I've also really appreciated just our conversations over the last few years of everything under the sun that we've kind of discussed. And I really appreciate you being here today.
Anna Murphy: [00:47:24] Well, thanks for inviting me, Bryndis. Happy to chat. Anytime.
Bryndis Whitson: [00:47:28] Sounds great. Thanks.
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