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A WKNC podcast that focuses on having introspective and thought-provoking discussions with guests from across NC State. Hosted by Lucas Marsh.
(Host) Lucas 00:12
Time of day, everyone and welcome back to WKNC Brain Trust. I'm your host Lucas, and I'm bringing you another amazing episode of My Show, Episode Eight. This episode is going to be a part two to episode seven. So if you haven't checked that out, I recommend that you go over to episode seven and check it out now to get an understanding of what we're gonna be talking about today. But if you don't want to, that's fine, I can't make you. So I'll give you a little bit about what we're going to be talking about today. Obviously, gonna be a part two, Episode Seven. So we're gonna be talking about ADHD yet again. So before I introduce my super amazing and awesome guests that do not have food in the station, I will be introducing myself to let you know a little bit about me. So my name is Lucas, I'm from Long Island, New York, and I'm a freshman here at NC State. And oh my gosh, Big whoop. I've got ADHD. Wow. Gasping into the microphone. introduced me elbow prematurely introduced the episode topic. Not true to form. That's terrible. Guest number one, a repeat guest I think in my ears. Oh, no, no, we've had other repeat guests. Like oh, to repeat guests.
(Guest) Rebecca 01:33
You made special to do a third episode so that I can be like the first that the repeat. First triple repeat. Three triple guest
(Host) Lucas 01:43
three peat. All right, well to ident on identified people speaking. That's not right for listeners. So guest number one who is the unknown number repeat guest Please introduce yourself.
(Guest) Rebecca 01:57
Hi, I'm Rebecca. I'm a second year majoring in Biological Engineering.
(Host) Lucas 02:02
And I have ADHD. And yet another gasp into the microphone. Thank you for introducing yourself. Guest number two, yet another unknown person, please identify yourself to the listeners.
(Guest) Chesley 02:14
Hi, I'm Chesley. I am a fourth year studying English. And I have this deep dark secret and it's that I also have ADHD. Yay.
(Guest) Rebecca 02:24
I'd like to also point out that she's waving like she's talking
(Guest) Chesley 02:30
when Yeah, automatically be alone.
(Host) Lucas 02:32
Yeah, when she said hi, she definitely did waive it was a whole very emotive we're not sure who it was to but it was waived it's true the voices should have named this episode the voices in your head. That's really good. No, no the voices in our heads because we probably could. We'll bring it up. Hey, good job. Let's start it let's start with that. Let's start with boy that's actually funny. voices. Voices are louder and they are getting much much louder and very very
(Guest) Rebecca 03:10
persistent. In this moment if they're listening with headphones where the voices in their heads oh so
(Host) Lucas 03:19
it's funny because the we all this is the voices in their heads is just amplifying the voices in our heads.
(Guest) Rebecca 03:27
Getting to matrix
(Host) Lucas 03:29
very deep very quickly. Did not see this coming. But yet again. That's how it goes. That's exactly why this episode is being made. Very interesting beginning to an episode.
(Guest) Rebecca 03:47
I've already got a sidetrack I've already I've already lowered
(Host) Lucas 03:49
the volume on microphones so you don't have that's fine.
(Guest) Chesley 03:56
Yeah, no, I don't. It's
(Guest) Rebecca 03:59
not realistic to give. The timeline does not actually exist. Chicken biscuit. Not here.
(Host) Lucas 04:07
Don't worry. It's not a real chicken biscuit issue. She's just imagining
(Guest) Rebecca 04:15
voices in her head.
(Guest) Chesley 04:17
It belongs to the voices in my head. I had to wait them in there
(Host) Lucas 04:23
to make the voices quieter and
(Guest) Rebecca 04:27
sacrifice the chicken was a disaster. We've heard
(Host) Lucas 04:35
Yeah. All right, well, excellent beginnings. Hopefully that means excellent episode. We'll see how it goes.
(Guest) Rebecca 04:43
It's a good attention getter. You
(Host) Lucas 04:44
know, start off with a bang, attention get
(Guest) Rebecca 04:48
ADHD and attention hopefully.
(Host) Lucas 04:52
Very funny. So yeah, I mean, interesting episode. This is really, really gonna be interesting. I was gonna pose a question. I don't know if it'd be appropriate to pose a question like, Oh, do you think he affects you in your daily life? So that was so clear. I know it was only 20. That's okay.
(Guest) Rebecca 05:20
I feel like we should point out that only one of us is medicated right now. Oh, and it's not
(Host) Lucas 05:24
me, either.
(Guest) Rebecca 05:27
I was doing homework earlier. Yeah, I saved my homework for after this. Yeah. I was planning on Waking up at nine and doing homework. I did not get out of bed until like, 11. Yeah.
(Host) Lucas 05:38
I was. I was planning on getting out of bed at nine. do my laundry, start doing homework, because this we're supposed to record this at one for unknown reasons. We are now recording later in the day. So was not ready for that. So it's unknown reasons are unknown. It's okay. It's fine. It's definitely not
(Guest) Rebecca 05:57
the correlation between no correlation at all. of correlation at all. You're just late.
(Host) Lucas 06:04
thing nobody worked out. Because I meant to get up at nine. I woke up at 1230. So if we were supposed to do this at one, which we're supposed to do, that wouldn't have worked out. So it's okay. That's good. So got my laundry done in time. Are you a morning person? Jess? Are you a morning person?
(Guest) Chesley 06:21
Yeah, actually, like I for a while then I was not such a morning person. But over the years, and I've like, especially like, with taking my medication like, because if I take my medication too late, especially like, especially like, Why didn't take it today, because I got up at 12. If I take it too late, then I know I'm not going to sleep. And then like, if I don't sleep, then like, ADHD stuff actually does get worse for me. And so then like, when I get up early to take my meds then I actually find I can like front load my day a little bit better. And it works out better. It's sometimes like it is like a little bit hard to get out of bed. But then if you like, have stuff to if I have like something that actually like, dragged me out of the bed, then like morning person stuff does work out for me. It actually does work out a lot better than it does like staying up late.
(Host) Lucas 07:07
It's actually interesting because I feel the exact same way. And in a we take the same medication. Yeah. I don't know how long you've been taking it. I've been taking it since ninth grade. So I've been taking it for a very long time. But four years maybe
(Guest) Chesley 07:20
I've been taking Yeah, I've been taking it since I graduated from high school. And that was in May. Yeah, it was in May 2019. That I started taking it. So since I was like about 17.
(Host) Lucas 07:30
Yeah, so a long time. I have to also have something to get me up in the morning. Yeah, that's why the second I looked at my phone, and I was like, oh, we can't do it at one. Okay, that's fine. I didn't get out of bed until two. And I was about to you know, jump out of bed and get ready and come over here and get ready to start recording. That's also I have this terrible English class. I pretty sure I talked about last time, but it's a 935 English class. Yeah. Monday, Tuesday,
(Guest) Chesley 08:03
Thursday. Okay, yeah. Four days.
(Host) Lucas 08:08
I have to go every day. And yeah, and it's policy is super strict. That if I get nine if I get more like one more than eight absences, yeah, in the class, then I immediately failed. Worse. This is English. 101. Yeah, I cannot fail. Brutal not taking it again.
(Guest) Rebecca 08:23
I'm surprised they're like, enforcing attendance things because the email the chancellor sent out specifically told them not to. And like your English professor isn't the only one like I have professors in my, like direct department that are enforcing attendance. And like, oh, no,
(Guest) Chesley 08:43
no, no rentals. Like, I literally have eight. I like scheduled myself for 830 is like to force myself to get out of bed. And it works. But
(Host) Lucas 08:53
I would just skip those. That's why I took the next step and said, Okay, fine, because I also have nothing after that. Yeah, yeah, I've got like three hours of just nothing open time until I go to my next classes. So I needed something in the morning so that I wouldn't sleep until one every day. Yeah, but that's actually interesting that you say that because that's exactly what I planned. That's like every Sunday for me. I wake up at nine. You know, I go I put my clothes in the wash. I go eat, get my clothes out of the dryer. I go and I shower. Change my sheets. Put the sheets in the wash get the club up. I have a whole thing that I do every every Sunday every Sunday usually Sunday reset yes Sunday reset day usually starts at around 9am did not today. That's fine. Sunday reset day just gets pushed back a little bit. Yeah, but it's okay. That's fine. Do the exact same thing. That's interesting. I wonder if that's so you are a morning person? Yes,
(Guest) Chesley 09:51
I am. Cuz and now I've like just found out that like if if I like start staying up like really late then like I like everything just gets worse and I'm like go I'm sorry, just
(Guest) Rebecca 10:06
like when we just sat here in silence and just watched you.
(Host) Lucas 10:10
Entertaining, I literally,
(Guest) Rebecca 10:12
I literally looked at your back and I was like what I do. We just have a moment of silence like rest in peace. Yawn.
(Host) Lucas 10:18
silence for our local yawn.
(Guest) Rebecca 10:21
Oh, number two. Yeah, I feel like do we need? Do we need to start a yawn counter? No. I'm just keep it keep a little personal yawn counter, right?
(Host) Lucas 10:34
Amazing. See late start to the day. haven't done much today. And I'm tired. Yeah, same shouldn't happen, but that's how it goes. Well, I
(Guest) Chesley 10:44
haven't taken my meds either. So that's part of why for me, like whenever I don't take them, like, especially on a day like this, and I'm like, I feel like I'm like moving through the mud. I'm like, go ahead. Like every single step is muddy. And I'm like, Oh, my God, this is terrible. Weather doesn't help either. I know. Yeah. I like the temperature. But I don't like the clouds.
(Host) Lucas 11:03
I'm usually on affected by the weather weather outside. Unless it's just bad timing like this. This fake spring nonsense. can't stand it.
(Guest) Rebecca 11:12
But 80 degrees in February.
(Guest) Chesley 11:14
It kills me what? Like,
(Guest) Rebecca 11:16
Global warming doesn't exist.
(Host) Lucas 11:23
It's just 80 degrees. Anytime. I'm not a fan of
(Guest) Rebecca 11:28
it. So last time, I was gonna bring it up. But I forgot because you know, ADHD things. But the fidgeting is something that I have noticed both last episode and this episode. Jess and I are both rocking in our chairs, which we have since been told not to do Yeah, we have continued to do so.
(Host) Lucas 11:48
I've continued to not say anything about it.
(Guest) Chesley 11:51
I forgot to not do.
(Guest) Rebecca 11:53
I've just stuck in my head. Like in place. Do you do that
(Host) Lucas 11:57
when you walk? What do you do that when you walk like if there's if there's like an obstacle in front of you. I thought you
(Guest) Rebecca 12:03
were saying what do you know when you walk and then didn't say, Paul, do you know like, when I am aware when I'm walking usually, usually like, I mean, you know some people sleepwalk? I don't but I don't know. But like, anyways, we're all fidgeting. Yeah, in some capacity. I'm playing with the mic. Not the mic. The headphone like cord. Oh,
(Guest) Chesley 12:24
I'm picking my fingernail polish and spinning.
(Host) Lucas 12:29
Full 360s going on in the studio. Hi, Lawson. She's just going so fast and speaking Every time she's at the microphone. You can't tell.
(Guest) Chesley 12:39
Oh my god.
(Guest) Rebecca 12:41
Yeah. You fidget normally, either of you.
(Guest) Chesley 12:44
Yes.
(Host) Lucas 12:46
Hmm... No, not really.
(Guest) Chesley 12:49
But I will all be like sitting there with my family. And so my dad is kind of my dad is where I you know, inherited this from him. So he, he talked about, he does stuff like the leg bounce, and everything all the time. And he I don't even think he knows it. But then when I do it, then sometimes I'll sit there and he'll just like he'll just like, put my put his hand on my leg because I'll be like bouncing my leg and shaking the table. Once I was standing next to my grandparents church and I was like, I was like kind of like tapping on the Pew or whatever my grandpa like puts his hand over. Because I'm stuffing it so much winced. But my when my dad does, I'm like, you know, you do this stuff all the like all the time, too. It was just one time he was sitting there in the recliner. And he was he was tapping as he was tapping his like toes together like this. And then
(Guest) Rebecca 13:41
explain what this is for. Okay, so
(Guest) Chesley 13:45
if you're if like your legs are out in front of you, and like you're tapping
(Guest) Rebecca 13:51
the Okay, the simple explanation is the opposite to
(Guest) Chesley 13:54
toast yet. Yeah, yeah, it's the opposite of Dorothy. Like you're tapping your feet together but he's sitting there in the chair doing that so much and would not stop and he had you know, you know, her dad's like, where the dads sandals around the house and stuff. So he had those ones who was making like the noise and then my mom just yells she just yells that's what's wrong. Do you do you have a twist? You're not Dorothy. Oh my god. All this to say like I do all the time. And then he stops me like he doesn't do it himself.
(Host) Lucas 14:25
I think it's just because he notices it because he does it too. He's like Don't be like me to inherit them back. They don't fit you I want them back.
(Guest) Rebecca 14:39
Do you? Is it Do you have an identifier with you and I think it's both it's my It's definitely my mom.
(Guest) Chesley 14:47
I think it's parents know it's my dad it's not it's not my it's not my mom. My mom says the only reason I have ended up in like in like the in like the psych ward. You know, because you need like a little like, you know, you need like a little spring you need like a little like, you know, helping them normalcy to dilute the insanity and my dad's side is where the insanity is from. My mom's side is, you know, like little bit of normalcy to you know?
(Host) Lucas 15:18
Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Because
(Guest) Chesley 15:21
if both of my parents sides were that then I would be so screwed.
(Guest) Rebecca 15:25
Maybe it would just cancel out. You would never hear.
(Guest) Chesley 15:28
No, it would not cancel out.
(Host) Lucas 15:30
It just makes it worse. Like I. It's not just me. It's not just me. My older brother and my youngest sister have some something going on? Yeah, my younger brother.
(Guest) Rebecca 15:39
Definitely.
(Guest) Chesley 15:40
I can't help my brother. I think my brother probably watched me and he was like, Yeah, I don't want like,
(Host) Lucas 15:46
he just looks and he's like, Okay, I need to I know what to look out for. I know what not to do. Yeah, exactly. Even though I even I really want to tap the chair right now. I don't
(Guest) Rebecca 15:57
have either of y'all explored like other like, okay, so.
(Host) Lucas 16:05
Yeah, no actually
(Guest) Rebecca 16:09
explored other. Yeah, no, have you explored other the word specifically like its origin? So
(Host) Lucas 16:15
I think it's Gaelic. I'm not really sure. Oh,
(Guest) Rebecca 16:23
I'm looking it up.
(Host) Lucas 16:25
It was just the word other.
(Guest) Rebecca 16:27
I didn't come up.
(Host) Lucas 16:28
Somebody was just like, what? That that one? That one but no, no, no, no, no, not that one. Not that one. The other one. The other one? The white? One, just the other. And they just thought what would you say?
(Guest) Rebecca 16:38
It's actually Germanic. Get it? Right.
(Host) Lucas 16:42
It's actually Germanic. English. Neither am I getting color. That was mean. Anyway, have we explored other what?
(Guest) Rebecca 16:59
So have you explored other like diagnoses? So I kind of, so my journey with ADHD kind of started with talking about like things, like, like, certain things that they had noticed that were weird, that I also did and how they like, were like, that's actually they it was like a, I don't know, I don't remember what the first one was. But it was basically like, here are things of like, symptoms of ADHD that typically go in women who are like, undiagnosed or like diagnosed at a later age or like, are masked, or like, stuff like that. And I was like, yes, yes, check, check. Oh, I do
(Host) Lucas 17:42
that. I do that. I do that too. Like stuff like that one vine. On leaving, why you do that?
(Guest) Rebecca 17:50
But anyways, have you explored? So from that, I also was getting videos of like, how ADHD and autism overlap. And so I've started to go, why are you making faces? I'm not
(Host) Lucas 17:59
making any faces the basis. I'm making any faces
(Guest) Rebecca 18:04
anyways. So I was wondering if y'all had explored anything like that, because I have, and I think it would be funny to talk about.
(Guest) Chesley 18:11
Yeah, um, I, I think, I think like, before I had my kids, like, a lot of other girls and I got diagnosed late, I got diagnosed when I was 17. Which is not like, which is a late diagnosis, but even so, like, not as late as a lot of other people because of how I noticed it does go, but um, I like, I think like, even before that, then I had just chalked it down to I know, I'm a really anxious person I know, like, and because my family had explored, you know, generalized anxiety disorder with me before. And you know, like ADHD, like, just has like such a high CO occurrence rate, with just general anxiety, general depression and everything. Something that I have personally explored lately is if like, it overlaps with a mood disorder a lot of time like, it's, it can be like, really hard to dig out if, if that kind of thing does overlap with a mood disorder or not, but that is also a common co occurrence, at least like in in me and like my family.
(Host) Lucas 19:11
No, I was I was told when I was in ninth grade, what like 13. I was like, Hey, I can't I can't I can't sit straight in my classes. I can't pay attention. I was I was told what I had going on really early. So no, I didn't really look at anything else. I was like, Okay, thank you for letting me know what's wrong.
(Guest) Rebecca 19:32
Okay. It wasn't like a self driven diagnosis. Is that what you mean? Like, like, you didn't go to someone and say, Hey, I think XYZ, like that's
(Host) Lucas 19:40
what I did. I just I just I found out early.
(Guest) Chesley 19:44
So which is must be nice.
(Host) Lucas 19:45
Yeah. More typical, and boys find out a lot.
(Guest) Rebecca 19:49
Yes. I looked it up while we were
(Guest) Chesley 19:51
discrimination actually.
(Guest) Rebecca 19:53
Most women with ADHD don't actually get diagnosed until their late 30s or early 40s. And it's estimated that between 50 and 70 5% of girls with ADHD are actually like, go undiagnosed their entire life. So,
(Guest) Chesley 20:05
yeah, I, I just kind of chalked everything up to just generalized anxiety disorder stuff until I was about 17. And I had a few life events. And my parents were like, Hey, this is this little theory that we've had about you all your life. Let's go to the doctor and figure out if this is actually a thing, and we went there, and did the process. And she was like, yeah, uh huh. And then she gave me my little prescription. And it's been history since
(Host) Lucas 20:36
Why do you think they waited so long?
(Guest) Chesley 20:39
Um, so my parents are actually both occupational therapists. So it's not like they are unfamiliar with. Because, you know, like that, you know, occupational therapy and psychology are obviously, like, still two different fields, but they still have like, some overlap. So they weren't like, you know, I'm familiar with that kind of thing. But I think that, I think that their prerogative was that, um, if it wasn't something that like, needed to be treated with medication, then don't treat it with medication. Like, if there's no reason to, like, just put a medication in my body. Like, it wasn't a big enough like hindrance, right? But then I don't, I'm not sure like, but then that just kind of left me to think that just like, oh, something's just wrong with me. Like, oh, this is like, I'm just really bad at math. Like because I'm just, something's just wrong with me. I just can't be on time because something's just wrong with me. Like, I just can't, like, hold on to like friendships because something's just wrong or whatever. Like that kind of thing. Yeah. So, but I think they, I don't know if like, they saw that stuff. And still didn't think it was a big enough deal. Or, um, if like, or like if they didn't see it and didn't notice until like, everything just kind of came crashing down. But that was their prerogative. I think. So. Super slay. Super
(Host) Lucas 22:16
Well, I'm glad you know what's going on. Now. I am to write mostly, well, you shouldn't imagine I can't imagine not going. It would at least go going your whole life without at least knowing. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like at least even without being like Medicaid, at least being at least knowing might help. Yeah. For sure. But no, I know. I was lucky enough to be like, something's wrong. And then I went in, I was like, Mom, something's wrong, and went to the doctor. They're like, Yeah, something's wrong, something was wrong. And then we fixed that. And I was like, Cool. And I was went on something's right. And then I was like, good. Again, very cool. And then I can just get living, you know, doing my thing. And,
(Guest) Rebecca 22:59
yeah, do we try with my brother. So my brother is very, like, I wasn't the hyperactive like, always moving, like always doing always, like the big fidgeting. And I was very, also like, very good at masking. But my brother was not
(Host) Lucas 23:20
tends, it tends to be more like, I don't want to say disruptive but like, it's more disruptive. And boys. That's why they notice more often, like if somebody's in the, let's say, of a girl with ADHD is in the in the on one side of the classroom. The boy ADHD is the other side of the classroom, the boy is probably, you know, tapping and yelling. Yeah, you know, like going out there see that kind of thing. Like they're moving. They're they're very obvious. It's very noticeable. But graffiti, he could be the other side of the room. Not completely unaware of what's happening the other side of the room because they focus on something else, but they're not screaming and yelling and
(Guest) Rebecca 23:55
right. So Jeremy was very much the hyperactive type. And we even like went, we mentioned it to his pediatrician one time. And they like, they asked him a couple of questions. But they didn't get like. They didn't ask anybody outside of Jeremy, I guess if that makes sense. Like me, Jeremy and my mom are all in the room because it was like yearly checkups, or whatever. And they asked Jeremy directly, like how he feels about like, certain things. And I don't know, like, he was just kind of like, well, no, I guess not, or I don't really know. And that was like the extent and they were like, No, you don't have ADHD. And internally, I was like, Okay, maybe if you saw a video of him, like out of
(Host) Lucas 24:40
like, if you just observed him for a day, you'd be like, Oh, we
(Guest) Rebecca 24:43
were asking literally anyone other than the seven year old child who like seven years old. He was like, he definitely wasn't older than 10. But they were like asking him like seven. Do you find that? It's hard. Do you find it's hard to sit still and he was like,
(Host) Lucas 24:58
I had to like just literally sitting slow because he's confused. He's like, right? And he
(Guest) Rebecca 25:02
knows, like, what's socially acceptable? Because he's been told, like, hey, you need to sit down in class or hey, you need to be like quiet in the doctor's office, like, he knows what's socially acceptable. So he just does what he wants to do. Not necessarily. So he's masking at that point. And he's like, No. And the doctors, like the noodle have ADHD, you know, internally. I was like,
(Host) Lucas 25:23
Why? Why you lying to the boy? Alone?
(Guest) Rebecca 25:28
Wild help him wild. That was such an interesting choice on the doctors part. Yeah, very interesting.
(Host) Lucas 25:34
No, I, I wasn't seven when I mentioned it to my parents. So ninth
(Guest) Rebecca 25:39
grade, you weren't seven? No.
(Host) Lucas 25:43
Believe it or not? No, it wasn't?
(Guest) Chesley 25:48
No, I don't believe it.
(Host) Lucas 25:51
Do you find it hard to sit still? Well, when you put it that way?
(Guest) Rebecca 25:59
When you're young and diagnosed later, did you have to do? Well, I don't know if you count as later. But did you have to do like the. So when I did it, I was it was August of my freshman year of high school, college, excuse me college. And I had to do like three or four different questionnaires that were centered around. Like, how you feel about certain things, how you act in certain situations. This questionnaire like I think I can probably look back, actually, no, it's been over a year, but I was texting one of my friends. And I was like, Oh, I'm on question 368. I'm on question XYZ. I just sit down in like four different sessions. This is an ADHD test, I would have cried my eyes out. And it was like 400 Plus questions.
(Host) Lucas 26:47
I would have sat there. I would have sat there and done. I realized no, no, right. Oh, no, I do that. No,
(Guest) Rebecca 26:54
it was also like I was documenting every time I got a repeat question. Because they were asking like the same thing, just like phrased slightly differently. Like, yeah, there was like, the one that I remember specifically was about my dad dying, which my dad is very much alive. Let's start there. But I got this, like, repeat question multiple times. And they're all like, yes or no questions. And it was like, does it make you feel sad that your father, or your father like figure passed away? And I was like, why are you assuming that my father is dead? Number one, it was and why are you asking me that? It might
(Guest) Chesley 27:26
have been different because I were you 18 Like when you came to college? Or were Yeah, when I wasn't? Well, like, so then you would have been 18 When you got your diagnosis, and I was still 17. So I was under like the legal age. So it was probably like a different process of diagnosed but
(Guest) Rebecca 27:44
enroll like titled like, yeah, ADHD adult questions. Yeah,
(Guest) Chesley 27:48
it was a few. It was a few different questions. There were like, I don't remember if mine was like, titled, like, adult or adolescent or something. But either way, then I think I feel that one. But then the other thing was like, like, I think a parent had to fill one out, like, so like somebody that like sees me in a home setting. And then like a teacher, like a teacher that knows me well, so like, at the time, then it was my high school band director, because he known me for four years at that point, like had me in his class for like, four years. So they had him fill it out, too. And because it was like somebody that saw you in another setting, like him could answer these questions, because it's important to get like different context. Like outside of your like you were saying, like with Jeremy like, yeah, you need like different like, context and everything. Yeah, to like, sometimes, like properly get a good answer on it. And so that's why they had like, one of my parents do it. And then one of my teachers do it for like, oh, we need to see what she's like in different contexts to see what is common themes across it.
(Host) Lucas 28:48
Thank you for sharing.
(Guest) Rebecca 28:54
Anyways, tying back to what I was asking before about diagnoses, um, so y'all have not taught, like looked at like any other like, I kind of find it fun.
(Host) Lucas 29:06
You find it fun to figure out if there may be other things wrong with you. I'm kind of I don't know, I'm kind of content. I'm kind of content just like leaving it in the having a name to one thing and I'm like, Alright, cool. Yeah. Plus, there's really those are the only really issues I have. Yeah, yeah, something things I've run to run into. I'm like, oh, that's solved if I just take my medicine this morning, and I'm like, I'm fine.
(Guest) Rebecca 29:32
Yeah. Which like, I feel like I would be too if I knew that everything that I could like, list out was encompassed by ADHD but there's so many of them that like, don't necessarily fall into that. And so, I followed this influence influencer.
(Guest) Chesley 29:53
Because in flu, y'all didn't see what she just did. She literally just, she literally just rolled her and she lives she literally just like her eyes to the side and the bad of her eyelashes and when influencer she told me she said she sat up all straight and everything influencer
(Guest) Rebecca 30:13
being harassed. Oh,
(Guest) Chesley 30:15
that wasn't harassing me earlier when I did he made fun of me my chicken whiskey that didn't exist in this room
(Host) Lucas 30:26
definitely isn't in the room it's not anymore in the room anymore it was never known to begin with true but definitely never not ever in the room Definitely not. Anyway, whatever you were saying about this super special influenza,
(Guest) Rebecca 30:41
actually that part is not even important. I there's there are different like so with the ADH, I mentioned how I had to take several different like questionnaires. There's a similar thing for adult autism test. And so I took the rads our test, and the EQ and the c something I don't remember. And I want to love letters. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I could not tell you what a single one of them stands for he actually I can tell you what the C one stands for. It's like the compensating, which like, asks you, ma'am.
(Host) Lucas 31:20
Just looking at all the tests taken.
(Guest) Rebecca 31:24
The compensating test is basically like how you mask your symptoms and seeing like what level of like, because if you oh my god, she's over there making fishy faces. Let's start there. I'm gonna turn my back and finish my sentence clearly and without distraction. Um, so the compensating one is basically like, if you have symptoms, but you've learned to mask them to some capacity. So like, I don't know, it's like, yeah, that's basically the explanation that I can give for what that means. But I scored in the very much autistic range on all three of the tests. The first one or the first one The reds are testing was the first one I took that like initiated this whole thing. And it basically are you looking at Oh, no. It's are a DS online? Because I really want to take it. Yeah, no, I, I took them online. Which is why my mother was like, if you're actually going to pursue this, you should do it. Not through some bogus tests. And I was like, Mom, these are developed questionnaires. I appreciate the concern. But like these are like, certified by psychiatrists. Anyways, the baseline at which the Autism is a diagnose, diagnose diagnosed with the Reds are is a 65. and the like. certifiable, I guess level is a 95. And just I want you to guess what my score was. I feel like there's like a bad it's the max scores to 27.
(Host) Lucas 33:18
So if you get it to 27 you Nobody,
(Guest) Rebecca 33:22
Nobody that I know of or have heard of has scored at 227. The highest I've heard was like a 190. Something
(Host) Lucas 33:27
but like, theoretically, if you were to get it to one seven, what does that mean? So
(Guest) Chesley 33:29
am I saying this in like percentage, or am I saying this isn't points? It's?
(Guest) Rebecca 33:33
Yeah, it's like points.
(Host) Lucas 33:34
Like what do you think she scored? I'm guessing 182 Oh, my
(Guest) Rebecca 33:39
goodness. Okay. Was that I was high. Okay.
(Host) Lucas 33:43
I didn't mean to be that rude.
(Guest) Chesley 33:46
Yeah, I keep feeling like anything I say is gonna be like, No, I will.
(Host) Lucas 33:50
182 like one facially saying I think,
(Guest) Rebecca 33:53
like one, like 150 Yeah. 155 was my score. Oh, I was so close. Close. The EQ is scored. I don't know what the max score is. But the baseline is a 26. Most women with autism score 32 and I scored a 30. I was a little bit lower than average on that one. And then what was the other one? The like, compensating one. The like minimum was like 120. And I scored like a 130 or something. So and there's always there's like a big, like pretty solid overlap between ADHD and autism anyway, so like a grain of salt, but I feel like I should take it. I think that would be hilarious. But it's also 80 questions. So if you want to do it, you could say 80 questions? Yeah, the EQ is just wanting I think leave that open. Leave it
(Host) Lucas 34:48
on Yes, I did look it up and I started doing it.
(Guest) Rebecca 34:51
Just curious if we could always we could do an
(Host) Lucas 34:55
A No, we're not doing a part three. Okay,
(Guest) Rebecca 34:57
I want to be the only person young three episodes, the three P's I want I want the ribbon, you
(Host) Lucas 35:02
might be able to do that. Sorry about something else. But I don't know if we can do a part three. What else can we talk about? And I will see how this one goes. Why? Why are you an engineer? No.
(Guest) Chesley 35:15
Engineering English. English? What's your major? English?
(Host) Lucas 35:22
Your what your major is just English? Yeah. With a concentration or just
(Guest) Chesley 35:26
Yeah, with the concentration? What is it? It's a concentration linguistics?
(Host) Lucas 35:29
Okay, you see that? I would tell people that. If that was that's what I was doing. I would tell people maybe glish concentration in linguistics? Why not? Why not just major in linguistics? Can you do that? Because
(Guest) Chesley 35:41
there's not a linguistics major here.
(Guest) Rebecca 35:43
Really? Yes. Really, because state is a STEM school state is
(Guest) Chesley 35:48
a STEM school. And I'll do what I want that is. And I'll do what I want, including majoring in English. And it's just too long to say, oh, English concentration in linguistics. See, I It's every time somebody asked me what I major in like, that's just so long to say.
(Host) Lucas 36:05
It sounds cooler.
(Guest) Rebecca 36:06
I agree having to tell people what your concentration is is annoying. However, with my degree. Excuse me, I kind of have to because mine's biological engineering, which a large amount of people assume that that's like, engineering embryos and like, yeah, human bias, not biological. That's biomedical, biomedical, but even then that's like a very small subset like biomedical was more like, the mechanical aspect of engineering. But like, my grandmother was like, now what did you switch your major to? And I was like, Biological Engineering. And she was like, I just don't know how I feel about that. And I was like, pause. What do you mean? And she was like, I It's conversation for another time. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we can't say what do you mean? And she was like, I just don't know how I feel about you like, messing with fetuses and embryos and oh my god. I doing like bioengineering like planning. I like arming Grandma, please. Like the department is
(Host) Lucas 37:08
really good tasting your lettuce. Right? Right.
(Guest) Rebecca 37:11
And what a Grammy say. And she was like, Oh, that just makes me feel so much better. I was like, Oh my goodness.
(Host) Lucas 37:18
I'm just gonna grow some really good vegetables. It's a lot easier
(Guest) Rebecca 37:21
for me to like introduce it as biological engineering with an ecology concentration because then it's clear ecology plants, waterways
(Guest) Chesley 37:30
Shinrin you don't have Graeme all worried and stuff. Oh my god, I
(Host) Lucas 37:35
was number six, by the way. Oh. Just because you mentioned your encountered every time I know I'm like, I have
(Guest) Rebecca 37:43
not noticed them since I mentioned that. But no, and
(Host) Lucas 37:47
I can't not notice them. Oh, that one was also like, it was like a double
(Guest) Chesley 37:53
what? He's a hypocrite because
(Host) Lucas 37:55
I was like, No, don't count the yawns and now because now I can only count the yawns because I'm gonna count I know I can only count them.
(Guest) Rebecca 38:06
Oh wait. I need groceries. Groceries. Do I also need to go to Target actually Oh, I was gonna get me to are you really? Oh, I can't tell
(Host) Lucas 38:20
No, I don't have to go to talk. I
(Guest) Chesley 38:22
think if we go to Walmart I think we should go to food line
(Host) Lucas 38:24
I have to get I have to get running lights from my car because the lights went out.
(Guest) Rebecca 38:28
Well that's not what I have to get. I have to go to Target and I want to go to PetSmart because I gotta get new two sticks for Nala. Does she chew the other ones? Yes.
(Host) Lucas 38:39
You know the the picture outside of your your room? That's like right like everybody comes right up the stairs. Yeah. Sixth floor picture of knowledge right there. Yeah, everybody that I'm going up the stairs with if they've never seen the picture before like it like not just my suitemates my friends like somebody new they're like oh my god
(Guest) Rebecca 38:59
yeah, my I have a nine year old Beagle. Big W She's very cute. And I also it was she was like in the middle of yawning or something when I took that photo, but her eyes? When did
(Host) Lucas 39:11
you count her yawns? No. No, you you leave her alone.
(Guest) Rebecca 39:16
I only mock you for your yawns going on today, it looks like she's like judging like I have a photo saved to my laptop. Titled judging Nala she looks very
(Host) Lucas 39:29
judgmental. Very good. Looks like you know, like, like people like when they know like people like when the people when they're high. They're kind of like they're relaxed their days. Their eyes are kind of just kind of like squinty like
(Guest) Rebecca 39:46
I actually don't know if I've ever seen somebody high and you have you just don't know. Anyway, I love you really don't I could not tell you off the top of my head.
(Host) Lucas 39:58
Looks like just relax. cuz just I was gonna say was your dog sometimes looks like like she's just faked. It's really funny.
(Guest) Rebecca 40:08
She's just very relaxed.
(Host) Lucas 40:12
Chill dog. Everybody likes her so much. And the picture outside your room doesn't look like that everybody is just like they don't see it. They're just like they just like they just like the dog picture is very cute. I love it. This is the my earbuds case zipped inside up.
(Guest) Rebecca 40:31
You see? Is that what you've been budgeting doing
(Host) Lucas 40:33
this day? Yeah, I can't put the zipper backwards. Like that. Backwards. And then you just that's very interesting. It looks like one of those I think the microphone pick that up?
(Guest) Rebecca 40:48
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, as
(Guest) Chesley 40:52
I was literally say and
(Guest) Rebecca 40:54
get a nice little like nail tapping my note
(Guest) Chesley 41:00
now just becomes a full on
(Host) Lucas 41:04
ADHD ASMR
(Guest) Rebecca 41:06
like the video of Dolly Parton and we'll see Patty Patty something. I forgot her name. They were playing. They were playing their nails. Hold on. I'm gonna find the clip. Dolly Parton playing length things are like nails. I love see Patti LaBelle. I was close. She Oh, wait. This is a more recent clip actually. When I found is from The Graham Norton Show. It's on the BBC. And she plays her nails
(Host) Lucas 41:39
No, don't pick it up.
(Guest) Rebecca 41:43
She like plays like she has these like long acrylic nails exactly like that. I don't know which one. It is
(Host) Lucas 41:58
together like this. You have to keep your fingers together and
(Guest) Rebecca 42:00
like very tightly. Like that sounds really good. We get a nice beat going. We can be we can be the new Dolly Parton and Patti LaBelle. What is this clip from?
(Host) Lucas 42:15
My fingernails. It's weird. Same. Shame. arms crossed, upset.
(Guest) Rebecca 42:21
It says this from about 50 years ago. So like 1970.
(Host) Lucas 42:27
That feels really weird actually is
(Guest) Chesley 42:29
1970 Yeah, it's not.
(Guest) Rebecca 42:33
No, not the BBC episode.
(Guest) Chesley 42:36
I think it's number seven.
(Guest) Rebecca 42:37
The number seven yond again?
(Host) Lucas 42:40
Yeah. Number seven. I don't know why I'm so tired today. It's okay, though.
(Guest) Chesley 42:48
I know why I'm tired. Because I didn't take my medication.
(Host) Lucas 42:50
I know. I you know, that's also why I'm tired. I just didn't. Do you ever? Do you ever think about something like, Oh, this is why I do this? Yeah. You kind of think of a reason for kind of why you do things like, Oh, I'm tired today cuz I didn't take my medication. And then like, you think about that, and you're like, Okay, I'm gonna lock that in. That's why I do these things. And then you just forget. I do that with all I just completely forget. Like, I'm like I say this. What?
(Guest) Rebecca 43:20
I do that with coping mechanisms. Right?
(Host) Lucas 43:23
Okay, when I feel like this, I'm gonna do this to right, fix it. And then I just forget. That's what I wanted to do. So I do something different every time. Or it's the same thing. I just forgot that the last time Yeah, right. It's just like the same. Like, I'll be like, Oh, I do this because of this. And when this happens, I will do this. And then I just forget, like, the blanket statements I apply to my own life. Yeah, I was like, What should I do when, and then I just forget them completely.
(Guest) Rebecca 43:49
One example of that would be like, for me, um, so Tommy, it's always my boyfriend. And he is very flexible, in like, making plans and stuff and like, is very like, like, oh, yeah, I'd like to do this. But like, if we do XY and Z first, or like, we reorder, and he's very flexible person. My parents were not, they're not that they weren't flexible. But it was very much like, I asked a question and I get an answer. And that's the answer. It's not like a, oh, well, here's what I think about what the answer is. And then like, if that answer works for you,
(Host) Lucas 44:24
let's find an answer together. Right?
(Guest) Rebecca 44:26
He was very much like, I asked a question and I get an answer. And that's it. And so I had to learn with Tommy that not everything is like, set in stone. And so he has to really remind me and he has to be like, now what do we say? John, if you can just ask not everything is up for debate, like we it's, it's a conversation fluidity. We're both contributing. I have an opinion. But that doesn't mean I'm unwilling to do anything else. And so like I know in terms of like, looking back and reflecting my therapist calls it reflective listening.
(Host) Lucas 45:03
Some people call it gentle parenting. No Yeah, I see that I see these I see the few take that videos big supporter. It's like gentle parenting my friends now what do we do with the plate that we're done eating at the plate? Not on the couch.
(Guest) Rebecca 45:17
It's kind of like what I was talking about last time with Nala about how I let her like explore on her own. Unless it's like going to be like severely damaging. I just kind of like What the fudge the fudge. That was not intentional. No, my intentional letting her explore with a negative consequence would be letting her assist me and cleaning up spilled Mountain Dew. Oh my god. We had an RA event. It was like around Christmas and somebody spilled Mountain Dew and it felt like in between the cracks underneath the table and I brought her with me and so she helped she contributed by looking up the spilled Mountain Dew she did not go to sleep until like
(Host) Lucas 45:58
now let's correct up on mountain
(Guest) Rebecca 46:01
caffeine and sugar. Oh my god, like she's had like a small amounts of sugar I'm sure and like treats or whatever. But large high quantity of sugar high quantity of caffeine. Wild and
(Host) Lucas 46:15
Absolutely. Imagining your nine year old dog that's normally very chilled. Very relaxed, just
(Guest) Rebecca 46:23
running in circles. Yes, like literally like this space that I have in my room, though. Like how so it's kind of like this and my bed is like here in like the back corner basically. And it creates like an L shaped pathway yond again, he's calling you you're not to Oh, yeah, I'd like to note that even though I've smelled close to yawning I have not yawn yet. I took my medicine Wow. Anyways, George are being says we need to do a Star Wars Episode.
(Host) Lucas 46:58
What about again? What about Star Wars? I can't just do a star is up there has to be like a getting me lying about Star Wars. If you can think of something about Star Wars like could fall provoking. You'll become the first trip
(Guest) Rebecca 47:10
mando Season Three comes out on Wednesday. I
(Host) Lucas 47:13
have a test on Friday. I'm not passing the test because Mandalorian comes out on Wednesday. I'm not doing one episode.
(Guest) Rebecca 47:19
It's like 35 minutes. Okay. What are you going to do? Just watch it on repeat I will just watch it during a meal and then go back to studying.
(Host) Lucas 47:26
I can't do that because I want to be able to eat
(Guest) Chesley 47:29
OBS season came out and I just watched all of it like in less than four.
(Guest) Rebecca 47:33
I need to rewatch Season Two because I think I watched like I haven't actually seen the show. Is it good? Yeah, I like it. Yeah.
(Guest) Chesley 47:40
I think it's like
(Guest) Rebecca 47:43
I mean, like I watched season one. I when season one came out the fact that it was like Outer Banks centered. My entire school was
(Guest) Chesley 47:52
the fairy.
(Guest) Rebecca 47:55
Chapel Hills on the coast obviously. No, no. Do you know where Chapel Hill is?
(Host) Lucas 48:01
Okay, I know what Chapel Hill was ended is now.
(Guest) Chesley 48:04
lives here now
(Guest) Rebecca 48:05
know for like six months.
(Host) Lucas 48:07
I've got a family here. I've been to Chapel Hill and to the Outer Banks. I know. We started couches, seven months.
(Guest) Rebecca 48:13
Can you just take a ferry? No, you can't take a ferry to chop Oh,
(Host) Lucas 48:16
Sky ferry like a plane. Up blimp.
(Guest) Rebecca 48:22
Anyway, the show was very popular at my school. And I was very much the kind of person to be like, Oh, everyone's obsessed with the show. I'm not gonna watch it. Yeah. Oh, watch it later. So that's what I did. I know people like that. And then I forgot about
(Host) Lucas 48:35
it. Like that was just like spiteful of people that like maybe like this. I'm like, Well, if they like it, they like it for a reason. I'll check it out. And then and then I'm like, Oh, this is stupid. Why
(Guest) Rebecca 48:46
does everybody know I was very like another example in eighth grade. All of my friends were very like, pro Panic at the Disco. Like it was a very like it was a like a yeah, what's it called? a fad. Yeah, so last, like maybe a month or so. And I just did not ever like I purposefully did not ever get into it until my dad got me tickets to the concert. And so I use that to rub in all of their faces that I was like, not even that big of a fan and I went to the concert and they could all choke. Oh, Mike,
(Host) Lucas 49:21
did you become a fan after go to the concert? Did you go to the concert just to be like, huh,
(Guest) Rebecca 49:26
we went to the concert it was the one that was like they were double headlining with Weezer, and
(Guest) Chesley 49:32
follow up boy.
(Guest) Rebecca 49:34
No, no, no, it was just it was just Weezer and Panic at the Disco. But I had never heard of Weezer before that concert. So
(Host) Lucas 49:44
actually, you know what? That's true. I haven't heard it before everybody started talking about like, Weezer hadn't heard about it. But again,
(Guest) Chesley 49:50
it's because you're young. That's why you are. What's your birthday, ma'am? I'm 21 So, okay, and I'm still 21 All everybody in this room
(Host) Lucas 50:03
good for you.
(Guest) Rebecca 50:05
You're gonna die first yeah
(Host) Lucas 50:10
so that's a good spot to wrap it up. I'm gonna thank you guys both for being here. Thank you Rebecca again for coming back and finding another guest. Chesley thank you for being here.
(Guest) Rebecca 50:22
We're gonna do a Star Wars Episode.
(Host) Lucas 50:23
If I'm telling you if you can think of sales,
(Guest) Chesley 50:25
have guests automated THINGs episode I want to you can
(Host) Lucas 50:29
think of something that is like, you know, thought provoking about it. It can't just can't
(Guest) Chesley 50:36
we talk about why can we talk about why season two was the best season of change?
(Host) Lucas 50:41
We talked about whatever the season two I really liked Season Two. Season
(Guest) Chesley 50:45
two is so good. And nobody ever appreciate Season Two enough. Bob was in season
(Host) Lucas 50:49
two. Yeah, great. Yes. I say Bob, everybody's like, Oh my God. I remember what season was again.
(Guest) Rebecca 50:58
I mean, we just said he was in tears. It
(Host) Lucas 51:01
was good. Bob's and season two. Season two is good. Everybody doesn't like Shawn and I love Turnitin is amazing. I mean, watching Lord of the Rings. I remember how
(Guest) Rebecca 51:09
much they were releasing new Lord of the Rings movies, they signed a contract a lot of the
(Host) Lucas 51:13
Rings Jr's I'm gonna have to look that up later, but as of right now, we will be wrapping up this episode. So thank you guys for being here again.
(Guest) Rebecca 51:23
For the Article Five philosophical questions to ask about Star Wars The Last Jedi. Oh, not the last Jedi. Nevermind. Hold on.
(Guest) Chesley 51:31
No on that note,
(Host) Lucas 51:32
think about it. Just think about do it another time. We're gonna wrap this up. Star Wars. Okay.
(Guest) Rebecca 51:41
You heard it here first. He said, Okay, we're doing it stranger thing. I'll be the first guest to have three episodes.
(Host) Lucas 51:50
All righty. I need to stop. No, but I have to say I have to say I gotta do a little outro I gotta say thank you guys for being here. You know, I hope you guys had a fun time recording. Jesse, thank you for being here as well. I know you're busy today but still managed to get this in. So thank you very much. And I also want to say thank you to JT satiric and moving boxes for providing us with some amazing intro and outro music. If you want to check them out. They are moving boxes band on Instagram that's at moving boxes band, all one word, all lowercase. And if you liked what you heard here today on WKNC is brand trust where we have the biggest brains and we trust in them. And you can check us out@wknc.org forward slash podcasts that's wknc.org forward slash podcasts with an S subscribe to stay tuned with future WKNC brain trusts content. And with that
(Guest) Rebecca 52:55
good day
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