Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast

Are we trying to win… or just trying too hard?

This week, Scott and Jamie unspool the madness of “win-at-all-costs” youth hockey, from kids ripping smelling salts in the locker room to coaches and parents acting like every weekend’s the Stanley Cup. What started as a joke turns into a serious question: when did we decide effort wasn’t enough?

In this episode:
- Smelling salts at 10U - what are we even doing?
- Why kids are mimicking intensity without understanding it
- When coaches push too far and confuse chaos for culture

How the pressure to “be ready” can backfire in every direction

This one’s not about dialing it down - it’s about dialing it in. Because hype doesn’t equal heart. And smelling salts don’t make your edges better.

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A relatable and honest podcast about the highs and lows of being a youth hockey parent. Join us as we share real stories, struggles, and wins from the rink, offering insights and support for parents navigating the world of youth hockey.

Jamie:

Alright. Here we are, everybody. Welcome back to episode 34 of the Crazy Hockey Dads podcast, the unfiltered podcast for hockey parents. No politics, no sugarcoating, just real talk for hockey parents in the trenches. Oh.

Jamie:

I should've skipped it. My man did it. I should've skipped it. He done did it. Should've skipped it.

Jamie:

Why? I don't know. I'm just kidding.

Scott:

Good job.

Jamie:

We need a better tagline.

Scott:

What? Because you can't say it properly?

Jamie:

I could say it. I just don't like it.

Scott:

Oh, well, that's news. Thanks. Everyone, you heard it here first. Thanks, buddy.

Jamie:

No. It's fine.

Scott:

It's fine. Partner over here.

Jamie:

No. It's fun. It's fine.

Scott:

You just said you hate it. I don't hate it. It's fine. You're like a flip flopper.

Jamie:

I'm not sure how to How's

Scott:

it going? Yeah. It's perfect.

Jamie:

Hey. No. No. No. Got that out of the way, proceeds.

Jamie:

I I don't hate it.

Scott:

No. No. You don't.

Jamie:

It doesn't come out of my mouth well.

Scott:

No. Jesus. Just fucking go sit in a corner, will you?

Jamie:

Bro, where's your mind?

Scott:

What are you talking about?

Jamie:

What are you talking about?

Scott:

I don't know. You keep on messing up.

Jamie:

I haven't messed up at all on this take. Oh, exactly. This take. I would one one outtake. One.

Scott:

One. Okay. Sure. Was one. Dude, we've been recording for six minutes.

Jamie:

Yeah. Well, the other ones were funny. That ones were just a blooper reel.

Scott:

Blooper. Okay.

Jamie:

You're a blooper Meanwhile, guys, wait till you see our blooper reel down the road.

Scott:

Yeah. Is it gonna be funny?

Jamie:

You tell me. I laugh every time I see it.

Scott:

I I laugh too.

Jamie:

Yeah. You do too. Anyway, what's going on?

Scott:

Not much, dude.

Jamie:

How's it going?

Scott:

No. Everything's good.

Jamie:

Hockey?

Scott:

Hockey. It's about hockey. Happened. It came and went. Another weekend in the books.

Scott:

It was mixed. Very mixed.

Jamie:

I feel like most weekends are mixed. Not just for you, but for myself included.

Scott:

Yeah, no, we went back to an old building, played some familiar faces that Otto knows from some skill sessions and blah, blah, blah. And they were definitely the better team And Okay. They pulled it out. You know, they they were the better team. I mean, I couldn't imagine we were gonna end up winning that.

Scott:

The wheels fell off a little bit at the end of the third period.

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

We kept it tight. We clawed back a little bit, had some chances. But, like, at the end of the day Mhmm. Like, they're they're a better team. They moved the puck better.

Scott:

They seem to be a little deeper on the bench. And my hat's off to them. There's some really good parents over there.

Jamie:

Yeah. You still know a bunch of them, right?

Scott:

Yeah, for sure. Nice. For sure. Yeah, so

Jamie:

What was the final? I think

Scott:

it was five-two was the final. Five-two.

Jamie:

How did Oman do?

Scott:

He did all right. Mean, I think there was some nerves just going back to an old building as we never played them last year.

Jamie:

Oh, so it's the first time you were back there.

Scott:

It was the first time we played there since Otto played for them.

Jamie:

Oh, interesting.

Scott:

I think there were a little bit of nerves.

Jamie:

Sounds about it.

Scott:

And know, and also they were, like I said, they were a better team. And so comparative to most of the teams that we played this season, they were, I think, probably the best team that I've seen us play. Oh, We don't know to miss the first two games. I think so. Maybe one of the teams in the showcase were better, but

Jamie:

Pure pure it was pure Berthia, right? Are you guys mixed?

Scott:

We have a twenty fifteen

Jamie:

Are you guys are mixed?

Scott:

Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. I don't know about our competition. Well, Well, let

Jamie:

me You take guys it back. Played pure. You mixed? Guys are

Scott:

I think so. Yeah. It's not pure.

Jamie:

Oh, okay. Interesting. No. All right. Because we're pure.

Jamie:

We're first year Bantams, but there's no

Scott:

There's no

Jamie:

We have no 11s on our team.

Scott:

Well, that would be having an old We don't have any 13s on our team. Oh, we have a 15. We have a younger kid playing up.

Jamie:

You guys are first year Peewee's.

Scott:

We're first year Peewee's. But you have no

Jamie:

second year Peewee's

Scott:

on We no second year Peewee's

Jamie:

Oh, okay. You are a pure team?

Scott:

Yeah. More yes.

Jamie:

Okay. You have 15 is a goalie?

Scott:

No. He's a he's a forward. He's good.

Jamie:

So he's a second second year squirt playing first year Peewee?

Scott:

Correct. Oh, nice. Yeah. No.

Jamie:

He's good. So you guys don't have any but you don't have?

Scott:

Any second year POEs on the team.

Jamie:

Any second year POEs? Correct. Okay. When you play against other teams, are there any second year POEs on those teams?

Scott:

There could be, I believe.

Jamie:

So there's some thirteens out there that you guys are playing.

Scott:

Listen. I'm not I believe so. Yeah. I I I mean, I don't know that that's

Jamie:

honestly because a tier one is normally just straight Right. Birth

Scott:

Unless you have a younger kid playing up.

Jamie:

Of course.

Scott:

Yes. Goalies, I think, can play down.

Jamie:

I think you're right about that.

Scott:

You can have a

Jamie:

I've I've seen that.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

We had that ours. Yes.

Scott:

But that's the only position that can play down.

Jamie:

I think you're right. I have not seen a position player play down yet. Yeah. Maybe it happens, but I've not seen

Scott:

it. Yeah. So

Jamie:

Okay. So you are so you guys are for the most part like a pure what are guys, 11? Are you 11? Is that what you were?

Scott:

Yes. Correct.

Jamie:

Right. Okay. Oh, nice. Oh, that's cool.

Scott:

Yeah. So so the Saturday game was was okay. Okay. Sunday was much better. We won five three.

Scott:

Should have been less close in my opinion.

Jamie:

But we

Scott:

were the better team out there. The kids moved the puck. Otto had some really good chances. Nice. Creative, had some moves, looked Yeah.

Scott:

So he had a good outing for sure. Got his Yeah. Little bit of mojo back. It had been a I think he registered an assist last weekend. But, you know, in terms of he kinda started out with a bang and then it, you know, slowed up a little bit.

Jamie:

It's all right.

Scott:

Of course, I'm not complaining. I'm just saying for him personally, that Sunday was he was looking forward to another game where he was going to

Jamie:

Nice.

Scott:

Get a few points on the board. Nice. It was good.

Jamie:

Very cool.

Scott:

Yes. The team finished with the win. They were they had been I think they had lost maybe three in a row or four in

Jamie:

a I think you guys the weekend before, I think you remember you guys lost

Scott:

We lost both. And then the weekend before They that

Jamie:

excited about

Scott:

it. Weekend before that, I think Won

Jamie:

both, right?

Scott:

No. I don't think so. Think we

Jamie:

Oh, you guys blew a lead

Scott:

or something like Yeah. We ended up losing so I

Jamie:

think we were

Scott:

on a three game skid and then they bounced back. So whatever, that's good. All right, nice. And yeah, man.

Jamie:

Good. This weekend, you guys I'm assuming we have games Saturday and Sunday.

Scott:

This coming weekend, we've got two. Yeah, we do have two.

Jamie:

Winable games or

Scott:

I have no idea about the competition, to be totally honest with you. Think so. I don't I don't but I I don't know.

Jamie:

Got it.

Scott:

I could be wrong.

Jamie:

Okay. Cool. Nice.

Scott:

I could be wrong.

Jamie:

How about you? Last weekend was weekend was one of those weekends where you play teams where you from, like, the bottom of the division type thing.

Scott:

You you had two games against bottom teams?

Jamie:

Both.

Scott:

Yeah. So you guys

Jamie:

Yeah. We won

Scott:

the whooping.

Jamie:

Eight nothing, seven nothing.

Scott:

Oi.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. So, like, two shutouts, one per goalie. So that was cool.

Scott:

That's

Jamie:

nice. But normally, like, normally, that those games create bad habits.

Scott:

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. For sure. You know, in there.

Jamie:

Yeah. Normally. Right? And and actually, we have two tough games this weekend. So

Scott:

You'll see.

Jamie:

Yeah. Exactly. It's almost like you didn't want that last weekend because the kids kind of like take their foot off the gas.

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie:

So it should be interesting. So this weekend should be very interesting.

Scott:

Okay. Yeah. But you but you had mentioned to me me during the week, could have been as early as yesterday that No. It was a That the had switched they had switched or balanced out the lines a little bit. Someone got moved around and Yeah.

Scott:

And it it made a decent change.

Jamie:

Actually, yes. So before our game on Saturday, so we had 5D, 10 forwards. That's what we were running since

Scott:

the Yeah, I

Jamie:

get that. Me neither. But that's what we were running.

Scott:

I'm sure there's a reason.

Jamie:

Yeah. But that's what we were running. So the coach actually took one of our forwards and put it back on defense in Saturday's game. So then you're running six and nine.

Scott:

Do any you idea if this kid wanted to? Or was he just picked the one he thought was best for the part?

Jamie:

You know what's funny? The coach is pretty savvy. And he actually said to me, he said to me even during tryouts, he's like, I can move this kid back to defense if necessary.

Scott:

Got it.

Jamie:

He's a big kid. Right. He's actually He can skate? And he can skate.

Scott:

Oh, that's good.

Jamie:

And you know what's crazy? So he played D on Saturday and everything opened up for him. I don't know if he sees the ice differently from there, but he definitely can pick up a head of steam now. And he was extremely productive Saturday and Sunday.

Scott:

That's awesome. I mean, was against lesser comp, it was probably a good time to start.

Jamie:

Yes. But you could see that there's it works. It works. That's awesome. A 100%.

Jamie:

It really works.

Scott:

That's great.

Jamie:

Yeah. Like, he's like a like an offensive defenseman now. Sweet. Yeah. So that was cool.

Jamie:

And then and then after Saturday's game so then we were six and nine. Okay. We were good to go. Yep. Then my good buddies Wait.

Scott:

Six and nine.

Jamie:

We were 69

Scott:

Oh, for a second, I thought

Jamie:

you were talking about your record. Was six. No. No.

Scott:

We

Jamie:

we no. We were

Scott:

Got you. So six forwards, nine d.

Jamie:

Six forwards?

Scott:

No. No.

Jamie:

Nine forwards, six d. Exactly.

Scott:

Nine forwards, six d.

Jamie:

Exactly right. So so then Saturday evening Yeah. You know you know the kids normally have like a chat thread that that Yeah. Totally. Right.

Jamie:

Yeah. So so we're sitting there watching Penn State, Oregon in the other room watching Football. Football. Yeah. Penn State, Oregon at like, I don't know, call it like quarter to nine.

Jamie:

And Dominic turns to me and he goes, Dad, he goes, I think something happened to one of his teammates. And I was like, What do you mean? And he shows me a picture of a kid taken by him of his legs and his hand and his right hand is in a splint. And it's my good buddy's. It's Dominic's godparents' kid.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

So I text my buddy. I'm like, Dude, What's up? What is that? So he sends me a picture of him in the emergency room.

Scott:

Oh Jesus.

Jamie:

Dude, he broke his right wrist, fractured or dislocated his left thumb.

Scott:

And how did that happen?

Jamie:

E scooter.

Scott:

Those e Bro. Fill in the blank is such a bad idea.

Jamie:

Dude, I've been so against them. And I said to my buddy, I go, dude, how'd that happen? So he's like, nobody listens to me, Jamie. He's like, I told him it was not a good idea. He's like, nobody listens to me.

Jamie:

And he wasn't wrong.

Scott:

And it's like no one wakes up in the morning and thinks they're gonna get into a car accident but it happens to someone like fucking every hour.

Jamie:

Right, exactly.

Scott:

And it's like just I don't understand why kids have these electronic

Jamie:

Dude, it's crazy. Don't Dominic's been asking for one forever. Will not No.

Scott:

It's a hard no in our house.

Jamie:

A hard no.

Scott:

Hard no. And there's kids around town that have some things that go 65 miles an hour.

Jamie:

Just crank them the street.

Scott:

You should see them. Crazy.

Jamie:

They're everywhere. We'll drive to the brake. They're everywhere.

Scott:

I got a great idea. We should give children vehicles with motors and not teach them traffic laws.

Jamie:

And they don't need licenses? They don't need

Scott:

anything? No. They don't need anything. We'll just let them travel at speeds

Jamie:

At where they speeds of like can like 35, 40 miles an hour. Plus. Shit's crazy. It is. And they're like 4 or $5.

Jamie:

They're not cheap. Maybe not $34.

Scott:

It depends. It depends.

Jamie:

But I have not been on that. And he's been asking forever. I've got

Scott:

to ask about it all the time. But you know what the other part of it is? Forget the safety thing is also what about

Jamie:

They make a very good point though, dude. Why would you give a kid with no traffic training and no road savvy and why would you give them a motorized bike?

Scott:

It's not a bike. It's a motorcycle.

Jamie:

I was gonna say, it's I said to Nancy That's what Nancy said. Bike. I go, it's kinda like an electric motorcycle. No?

Scott:

It is.

Jamie:

A moped motorcycle. Whatever you wanna call Like

Scott:

an elect an ebike is like one that's got a small motor that pedal assists while you're going up hills. That's an e bike. That's a operated motorcycle.

Jamie:

That's correct. No. You you no

Scott:

But the other part of it the other one so so Otto has a neighbor and they have the kid for a long time now. He's only a year old. He's in seventh grade. Otto's in sixth. Right.

Scott:

I would say since that kid was probably in fifth grade, so two years ago

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

The kids had an e scooter.

Jamie:

That's what this was. E scooter.

Scott:

He wiped off of it. Yeah. Okay. He was he was fine. Thank God.

Scott:

You know, got, you know, bruised up and whatever.

Jamie:

Yeah.

Scott:

But the other part is, like, I have not seen that kid ride a bicycle for, like, two years. Like, what about just, the physical fitness part? See, I if you

Jamie:

had I'm with you by

Scott:

A 100%. And and on top of it, like No

Jamie:

question about it.

Scott:

There's plenty of kids that, like, have regular, like, bikes. Yep. And still I don't only he doesn't wanna go up hills. You know what I mean? Or travel.

Scott:

And it's just like, dude, are I What? As kids, we

Jamie:

always did eat that you had to go back and forth to get up the hill.

Scott:

Or walk the fuck up the hill. No.

Jamie:

You can't walk the hill. Remember going up to Rosman's house? Of course I do. We would we would all drive, and we would go back and forth and back and forth, and you would go and you would make your way up the fucking

Scott:

And then it was, like, such an accomplishment when you and we didn't even have gear. We're talking about kids.

Jamie:

You're right. We had no gears. We had

Scott:

no gears.

Jamie:

We're talking

Scott:

We about were fixed gear.

Jamie:

We were using BMX bikes.

Scott:

Right. And now we're talking about children that have, 21 gears. Yeah.

Jamie:

Right. So if you really want to, you can be as lazy as shit as if you want.

Scott:

Oh, no. I'm not going uphill. That's too far.

Jamie:

Dude, I gotta tell Are you fucking I I bought a mountain bike years ago in San Diego and I have to tell you

Scott:

San Diego.

Jamie:

San Diego, which means San Whales Diego. I was like, what did he say? I think it's from what did he say to her? He's like, what was his response to her? She's like, no, no.

Jamie:

Think that's what it means. He's like, well, agreed to disagree or something like that. Don't remember what his line was to her but like he's like, Drink it in. Anyway,

Scott:

let's just

Jamie:

bought one in San Diego when we were out visiting my Navy SEAL buddy. But why

Scott:

the hell would you buy a bike when you're in San Diego and you live in New Jersey?

Jamie:

Because we were in Coronado.

Scott:

Were you gonna ride it back?

Jamie:

We were in Coronado and we were bouncing around Coronado with my Navy SEAL buddy who was home on deployment. It was me and Damian. We were over there. And was a bike store right next to this crazy Navy SEAL bar. And we bought them and shipped them home.

Jamie:

Why? Because they were ridiculous bikes.

Scott:

That you can't find

Jamie:

Well, was ten years ago. Got you. Now the Trek stores are everywhere, it's a Trek, right? But even to this day, I have it on the hardest gear and I do not move it off the hardest gear.

Scott:

Yeah, that's good.

Jamie:

Because why? The bike is for a workout or to get from A to

Scott:

B. Right.

Jamie:

Right? But I use it as a workout. He's such a tough guy. Well, no. But to your point of physical fitness, I mean, the idea of a bicycle.

Jamie:

Yes, it gets you from A to B but you're getting a It's workout while you're doing It's both. Yes. So you're right. We used to drive up those ridiculous hills on BMX bikes with no gears No gears. And small tires.

Scott:

Yeah. And these kids are, like, complaining about going up, like, half the hill with, like, 21 gears or whatever they have. You're right. Full suspension.

Jamie:

But Dude, those those e bikes are so so my buddies.

Scott:

Saw it.

Jamie:

Well, I was just saying, so you mentioned an e scooter. That's what it was.

Scott:

It was

Jamie:

an e scooter. Yeah. And I guess he hit a bump and went over the handlebars

Scott:

It's bad news.

Jamie:

And put his hands out to break his fall.

Scott:

It could have been his collarbone. He could have broken the

Jamie:

front You

Scott:

know about his that? Yeah.

Jamie:

Don't know if had I'm assuming he had a helmet on. Hope he had a helmet But listen, should have seen it. He's all bruised up right here. He's all scraped. He had road rash in a bunch of spots.

Scott:

Yeah, it's bad news.

Jamie:

So now he's out for four to six weeks. So now we had six and nine, now we have six and eight. So what do you do? So then he he took another defender

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

And moved him to offense.

Scott:

So now you're

Jamie:

nine Nine and and five. Because we were nine and six. Four, we got hurt. Now we're nine and five. So we took a D away Nine

Scott:

and five is what

Jamie:

I mean. Added him added him to a center. And so speaking of that kid, that kid lit it up this weekend. The defenseman that started playing center.

Scott:

So you're telling me that the coach put a forward back on defense And then when the forward got hurt, you put up not you didn't you didn't return you didn't return the same

Jamie:

defender. Different defender up to the front, and they both shined

Scott:

this weekend. That's

Jamie:

great. It was crazy, Scott. They both they both played really well. So I'm curious to see

Scott:

what everything Yeah. Looks

Jamie:

And then wait when we and then when we get our forward back from injury, it should be even more interesting to see what they do because he's got he's gonna go blow up somewhere.

Scott:

Alright.

Jamie:

So yeah. No. It's gonna be it's gonna be very interesting. I I hope I hope he gets I hope he heals

Scott:

soon. Yes. Yes.

Jamie:

Because he actually is a very big boy and was playing very well.

Scott:

Oh, dude. That sucks. Yes. Especially when you're playing good. You're not I mean, it sucks all the time.

Jamie:

Yes. It does. But I'm hoping that Liam gets back soon. Liam, hope you get back soon, buddy.

Scott:

Feel better, buddy.

Jamie:

Yeah. Feel better soon.

Scott:

But listen real quick before we keep going. Yeah. Partner is shouting out Howie.

Jamie:

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Scott:

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Jamie:

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Scott:

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Jamie:

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Scott:

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Jamie:

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Scott:

Dude, know what the no, tell me.

Jamie:

No. I just So wanna know speaking of my buddy whose son broke his wrist because he went head over heels on the e scooter, so we're I forgot where we're going, but he has a Sparx machine in his garage.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Okay? And as much as I like the dude who works our pro shop, he's awful at sharpening. Wow. Awful. Nice dude.

Jamie:

Like him a lot. Going to bullshit him all

Scott:

the But there's also the girl that does it. She's never there. I saw her the other day.

Jamie:

She's never there.

Scott:

Yeah, okay. Right? No. She's like, I only see her there.

Jamie:

Meanwhile, I never see her there. Okay, well. So you and I clearly I'm

Scott:

on her schedule and you're

Jamie:

on Clearly, the he's nice dude. I like the dude, but he's not I don't think he's gonna sharpen it.

Scott:

All right,

Jamie:

so So I take both of Dom's blades to my buddy's house to have them sharpened because they both need sharpened. And we were going somewhere for a weekend so we needed sharpening. So I take out my Howie's hockey steel holders.

Scott:

So

Jamie:

I bring Dom's skates And he has the skates, the black blades. I want to say they're $2.36 ish. So I think that's what they are. I'm not sure. I think that's what they So they're ones that I got from Pure Hockey.

Jamie:

We bought two

Scott:

thirty six what?

Jamie:

The length.

Scott:

Yeah. Was it millimeters?

Jamie:

Whatever it is.

Scott:

Yeah, millimeters.

Jamie:

I think it's two thirty six. Okay, no

Scott:

one cares.

Jamie:

Yeah, forgot what it was. Whatever it is. It is whatever it was. So I put them on the machine and they're sharpening. And then I take the blades out that the dude from our pro shop sold us because I needed a backup set.

Jamie:

So he sharpened my skates and I'm like, oh, by the way, I need a backup pair of steel. Yeah? So he's like, Okay. So he pulls them off the wall and he's like, These are the ones you need. I'm like, Okay, great.

Scott:

Rocks ass.

Jamie:

Bro. So I'm sharpening my thump skates at my buddy's house, goes through the sparks. Then I take them out. I go to put the new blades in the tubes. I was like

Scott:

What the fuck?

Jamie:

Pretty sure these aren't the right size. They were like two zero eights. I was like, dude, you gotta be fucking kidding me.

Scott:

They were too small?

Jamie:

Oh my god, yeah. I've never had a fucking set of steel that I don't know what to do with.

Scott:

Well, go back there and be like, bro ski.

Jamie:

I I I suppose I I can.

Scott:

No. Why wouldn't you? They're not cheap.

Jamie:

No. I think they were like a 100 and

Scott:

So you go back and be like, homie.

Jamie:

Dude, they're sharpened already. They got sharpened.

Scott:

So what? That's not your fault.

Jamie:

No. It's So, yeah. So there you go. By the

Scott:

way It would be different. Would be different if you asked him

Jamie:

I know.

Scott:

What you needed and he gave you what I'm you asked aware. And he was wrong. It's not like you said, I need two Again, zero

Jamie:

no argument here. I 100%.

Scott:

Go back.

Jamie:

So so that's how I found out because I took them out of my Howie's hockey steel holder.

Scott:

Well, how about

Jamie:

that? Howie's makes a good steel holder. That was And a good job.

Scott:

Thanks for clarifying. Alright. So other other another news. Pro's Pro's drive.

Jamie:

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Scott:

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Scott:

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Jamie:

Angelo's awesome. And we are going to have him on the podcast, by the way.

Scott:

Have you confirmed this? This is like we've already done this, like, three at least three times,

Jamie:

I have to talk to his people.

Scott:

Well, his people So then stop saying we're gonna have him on. So have his

Jamie:

people are his people are the devils and his people are

Scott:

Okay. And if his people say no, are we still gonna have him on? Yeah. You're out of your mind.

Jamie:

We'll just talk about other stuff. We won't

Scott:

Not like we'll have a crocheting What podcast for the

Jamie:

he had for dinner?

Scott:

Oh, perfect. All right. I'm sure our listeners would love that.

Jamie:

Go check out Angelo. He's great.

Scott:

Okay. Awesome. So next up, athletic performance insight API.

Jamie:

So you guys are using Eric.

Scott:

We are in. We are in. We're using it.

Jamie:

You guys are using Eric's software. Nice.

Scott:

Dude, can I tell you something?

Jamie:

You can.

Scott:

First of all.

Jamie:

I hope you do.

Scott:

Software's Yeah.

Jamie:

Is. No. I saw his software. Legit.

Scott:

And please, anyone listening, if you're about video analytics and video review for your team Yeah.

Jamie:

His shit is so good.

Scott:

Just fill out the contact form.

Jamie:

Just have a conversation with

Scott:

Learn about it. It's really it's it's so worth just learning about.

Jamie:

He'll literally do an entire demo for you. He's he's awesome. I think he will. I'm hoping I'm not putting words in his mouth.

Scott:

No. I'm pretty sure

Jamie:

if someone asked for demo Yeah.

Scott:

Think he'll he'll hook him up.

Jamie:

Awesome, dude.

Scott:

So we had video review

Jamie:

Speaking of broken last week.

Scott:

Speaking of broken wrists.

Jamie:

Right. Didn't he didn't wasn't he the one that was telling us about his kids playing Well, in a cast

Scott:

yeah.

Jamie:

During our interview with him?

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Yeah.

Scott:

The broken wrist. Right. Who because a teammate of his had also gotten a short cast that fit in a hockey glove.

Jamie:

So I said to my buddy, Matt, who's suddenly in broken

Scott:

Oh, you

Jamie:

told him. Yeah. I go I go, I'm pretty sure episode 22. I'm like, I'm pretty sure he could play with a broken wrist. He's like, I don't think so.

Jamie:

I'm like, I No, think you might be able to. I'm like

Scott:

you can. Go ahead, sorry. Yeah. So Matt, call Eric. Yes.

Scott:

What was I gonna say? So we had video review.

Jamie:

Oh, yeah. How'd it go?

Scott:

Well, let me tell you this. Tell me. I was waiting so it was after practice on Friday night. First of all, I don't like Friday night. Friday night.

Jamie:

That's not a good time slot.

Scott:

Well, this is apparently the only time slot. Okay. So if we're gonna have it because other teams like first come, first serve and you can reserve the room for the entire season.

Jamie:

That was one

Scott:

of those party rooms? Whatever. Wherever they have like the projector or whatever they have. So in any event, we when we do it, it's gonna be on Fridays apparently.

Jamie:

Got it. You guys have practice on Fridays. Yeah.

Scott:

We do that after. Dude, I Dude, we have skills Monday. It's lot practice time. No. I'd rather have like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, off on Monday, Friday.

Scott:

Please and thank you. No question. But nonetheless, we've got it so we had it on Friday. And so like when we did video review, when I've done video review in the past, starting at when the kids were like eight, we would do it like twenty minutes, thirty minutes tops. Last year, if it went long, maybe we're in there for forty minutes, maybe.

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

But you know, like these kids, their attention span, I would get it, they're a year older than they were last year.

Jamie:

Attention span of a walnut.

Scott:

But, like and and yeah. In any event, I'm sitting outside waiting.

Jamie:

In the lobby?

Scott:

And I'm waiting. And I'm waiting.

Jamie:

I'm waiting. How long were they in there for?

Scott:

And then I look at the clock and it was scheduled to go from, like, 07:05 or 07:10 to, I think, 08:00.

Jamie:

Fifty minutes?

Scott:

So listen.

Jamie:

Fifty minutes of Fifty minutes. Film?

Scott:

Fifty minutes of film.

Jamie:

Dude, you you can't get any child to sit there for fucking fifty minutes.

Scott:

Oh, they they did. Did they really? But but but here's the so I'm sitting. I'm in the car

Jamie:

That shocked me. And then

Scott:

I was like looking at the clock, I'm like, alright. It's like almost the time. So I'm Maybe I should pull the car up to the front entrance just so we So you get got out it. Yeah. Then I do that

Jamie:

and like, one's coming for another half hour. And now

Scott:

I'm waiting. And like, dude, I don't think they walked down. It's like 08:15. And then I was like, Jesus, that's long. And like if I'm remembering correctly, so so one of Otto's teammates last year, his father is one of the assistant coaches for the Devils.

Scott:

And he runs a lot of video review. And he was saying that, I mean, granted they have access to these players all the time, it's totally different than what we're talking about.

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

Right. But he's like, we do video for review for like ten minutes.

Jamie:

Yeah, man.

Scott:

And then then like they let them like noodle on it, you know, like review it. And then they'll like revisit video review. They'll come

Jamie:

back to it.

Scott:

Like another like, let them just focus on like the one thing.

Jamie:

That's wild.

Scott:

I was like, and these are adults.

Jamie:

Yeah. You know? Yeah. You think you're gonna get a

Scott:

So they probably do they probably have like a video review multiple times throughout the day. Like they probably send them clips. I don't know how formal or informal it can or cannot be. But the point was is that they they chunk it into much smaller chunks to go over things.

Jamie:

Right. I mean, listen, I guess

Scott:

I was sitting there forever in any event.

Jamie:

Yes, you

Scott:

were. And I was thinking, was like, wow, I thought API was gonna make It was very efficient for them to go through this stuff. Was like, I can only imagine if they didn't have something like that.

Jamie:

That's cool. Yeah. But then did Otto say he liked it? He said it was it was good?

Scott:

You know what? Otto's answer to me for everything is I don't know. I'm like, bro, you were just in there. Like, what'd you go over? I don't know.

Jamie:

So who ran it? Like, who who the coach ran it? So so Eric sat down with the coaches and and

Scott:

No. Eric wasn't there.

Jamie:

No. No. No. But Eric sat down with the coaches at another point and walked them through it.

Scott:

So we had a demo that I recorded. Oh. And then he went through how to use the platform, and then I shared that with the coaches.

Jamie:

Got it. And that's how they learned it?

Scott:

I guess. Honestly, they they haven't asked me for help.

Jamie:

So they figured it out.

Scott:

I guess. Some form of I'm not if they if they if they need help, I'm happy to help.

Jamie:

Whatever. Cool.

Scott:

So in any event, so check out athletic performance insight. He's great. Yes, please. Okay.

Jamie:

That's awesome.

Scott:

What about Oh yeah, so just I didn't finish with that. New users will get 10% off the season subscription.

Jamie:

$100 value.

Scott:

There it is. Okay, thank you. Next, geography update.

Jamie:

So we haven't added any new spots, but we are adding in the spots that we currently are in because

Scott:

That would also be a new spot.

Jamie:

Well, we're adding in, like, the states that we already have been in.

Scott:

What do you mean?

Jamie:

We're adding more people from the states that we already have been in.

Scott:

Oh, I see.

Jamie:

Yeah. So like New Jersey, the percentage numbers are growing. I'm just using New Jersey as an Like, Delaware has moved up the list. Let's go Delaware. Seriously, where the fuck have you guys been?

Jamie:

All of a sudden, guys come on come on gangbusters. Yeah.

Scott:

Let's go.

Jamie:

Seriously. And and North Dakota has moved up, by the way.

Scott:

I know. That was your pet peeve.

Jamie:

Well, why the fuck would they not? They're fucking North Dakota. No deck. How does North Dakota not have fucking mean Listen. All they do is go

Scott:

to work and play hockey Tamp down your hostility, sir.

Jamie:

No. The hostility is very warranted because it's fucking North Dakota.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

It's not like we're talking about Alabama. Alabama is higher on our list than fucking North Dakota.

Scott:

Alabama, I think they've got a pretty decent hockey program at the University of Alabama.

Jamie:

Somebody told me that they went d one this year. I don't think that's true.

Scott:

I don't know if that that's true, but I'm pretty sure that they have, like, you know, pretty legit hockey.

Jamie:

But somebody said they went from club to d three. It was literally the other day, and I'm not sure if that's true or

Scott:

not. Alabama.

Jamie:

Alabama. Okay. Old tie.

Scott:

So so we have Oh my god.

Jamie:

Can I just tell you?

Scott:

We went

Jamie:

we went to Alabama. You went?

Scott:

Yeah. When?

Jamie:

Years ago. We went for the Penn State Alabama football game.

Scott:

Was that awesome? It was awesome. Crimson Tide?

Jamie:

It was pretty sick. But it's funny. Literally everywhere you go

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

And they knew we were not from the area. How? I guess we stuck out

Scott:

like a sore thumb.

Jamie:

You were

Scott:

wearing your Yankees baseball cap?

Jamie:

I think Damian probably was and I think I was wearing an NYPD t shirt one time ago.

Scott:

Well, that's a dead giveaway.

Jamie:

Yeah. So obviously, apparently we stuck out a sore thumb. But wherever you went, they're lovely people in Tuscaloosa, by the way. And if you have not been, what a sick place to go watch a football game. Yeah, awesome.

Jamie:

We stayed Birmingham and took a car service over to Tuscaloosa. Wow. So wherever you go, no matter where you are, they're like, welcome to Tuscaloosa, roll tide.

Scott:

Oh, really? Roll tide?

Jamie:

Everywhere you are. Welcome to Tuscaloosa, roll tide.

Scott:

Hey. Like if you go to Starbucks, welcome to Starbucks,

Jamie:

Wherever roll you go, welcome to Tuscaloosa, roll tide.

Scott:

Amazing. Everywhere.

Jamie:

Everywhere you go.

Scott:

That's kind of cool.

Jamie:

Ladies are sitting in front of us. They're like, oh, welcome to Tuscaloosa, roll tide. Everywhere because you when they know you're not from the area

Scott:

Oh, they just wanted to

Jamie:

Welcome to Alabama, roll tide.

Scott:

Right, right, right, Yeah,

Jamie:

that's their thing. Sick. But again, sick place to go watch at Football Union, by the way.

Scott:

Alright. So we're getting so on

Jamie:

that We're note adding to states that we are currently already

Scott:

Awesome. So welcome. Welcome to all the new listeners. Thank you so much for checking us out and supporting the show. Welcome.

Scott:

And, yo, so today, today today, we do we have a topic

Jamie:

We've for been talking about this since the summer.

Scott:

Yeah. But, actually, you know what? I let me let me just do two, three things before we get to that. Yeah. I was kinda jumping right now.

Scott:

So first and foremost, I just wanted to follow-up because a couple of that we were talking about, if if you as a parent, you know, a spectator have complaints about a referee, there is no formal way to complain about referees. If there is, like, misconduct on the ice, USA hockey has got a forum where, like, you know, if there's, like, violence or whatever. But if you're just complaining about a referee is just not up to the job Just be shit. That's not something that

Jamie:

you can They don't wanna hear it.

Scott:

So talk to your organization. See see what they can do for you on that one.

Jamie:

Which is probably nothing.

Scott:

Yeah. Totally. Yeah. It's going nowhere. You have complaints about, like, you know, calls or consistency.

Jamie:

As well just keep it to yourself because this is

Scott:

going But USA Aki also has, like, regional, like, I think the regional directors.

Jamie:

Yeah. They do. But you can reach out. Not going anywhere.

Scott:

Well, all all I'm saying is, like, talk to your organization. You can find out who's your regional director from USA Hockey, and you can bring it up with them.

Jamie:

Yeah. And when Scott says talk to your organization, basically, they just swallow

Scott:

it down. You know, in some instances, that's definitely the case. Yeah. Okay. So the other thing I wanted to follow-up on was we talked about when Dom, you know, season started, we're talking about body checking.

Jamie:

Talking about reverse checking.

Scott:

Reverse checking. Yeah. And so reverse checking is a no.

Jamie:

You looked it up?

Scott:

Oh, so yeah. I did look it up. So according to rule six zero four, body checking, illegal body check wait. Actually, that's not the right definition. So okay.

Scott:

Here. So you need hip or shoulder contact delivered from the front diagonal, or side, above the knees, and below the shoulders, only to a puck carrier and only to separate them from the The puck. Yeah. So part of it, like, has to do with the fact that it usually involves contact. Because reverse hits are usually involving contact from behind or a blind side, often targets with the elbows, forearms instead of the hips and shoulders.

Scott:

And it's motivated by Retaliation. It's not really retaliation, No. But like That's true.

Jamie:

I don't agree with that. No. No. On.

Scott:

I just wanna back up. This right here, this right here is not from USA hockey.

Jamie:

From CHAT GPT? That

Scott:

part

Jamie:

Or somewhere on the Internet.

Scott:

Yeah. Google? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

Jamie:

See, don't agree with that because

Scott:

No. But this up here

Jamie:

No. So that's from USA hockey.

Scott:

No. This is from USA hockey. So in any event read before. Right. So it has to be delivered from the front diagonal or side.

Jamie:

All right. So this weekend, yesterday, last night, we had a kid who did a reverse check on somebody from the front.

Scott:

He turned around?

Jamie:

The defender was coming at him. The puck carrier, our kid, almost left the hockey puck and instead of absorbing the blow, he delivered it.

Scott:

And he had the puck.

Jamie:

He had the hockey puck. So that's not from the side or it's from the front. I don't know. Think Right? It's not but I see it's you're

Scott:

So let let let's just say this, that there's nothing in the rule books that say anything about reverse checking specifically, it seems like based on the definition that it is Body checking. Of body checking that it would be hard to maneuver yourself in a way that it would be in compliance.

Jamie:

I also think that it depends on your ref, right?

Scott:

It also depends on that too.

Jamie:

Everything is very subjective to these guys. Yep. Okay.

Scott:

So that's that. So next, we talked about listener writings also.

Jamie:

Oh, you don't want do this at the end?

Scott:

You want me to save it to the end? Yeah. Okay.

Jamie:

We're gonna

Scott:

It's phenomenal. Fine.

Jamie:

We'll save it.

Scott:

We'll save it to the end.

Jamie:

Kirk Kirk from Manitoba?

Scott:

No, dude. Why?

Jamie:

It's a joke.

Scott:

Oh, that's true.

Jamie:

The reason it's a joke is because I called him Kirk from Manitoba on, like, episode two

Scott:

Two.

Jamie:

Or three. It was very early on. Kirk's our super fan, bro.

Scott:

Kirk? No.

Jamie:

He's dick. I call him Kirk from Manitoba as a joke because he's Kirk from Ontario, but I said Kirk from Manitoba because I fucked it up on one of our first couple episodes.

Scott:

Kirk's great. He drops us lines of great stories.

Jamie:

He's fucking awesome. I want him to come on.

Scott:

Kirk,

Jamie:

come on, bud.

Scott:

We'll see. One day, maybe.

Jamie:

One day.

Scott:

But Kirk

Jamie:

sent us a story that's pretty fucking legendary.

Scott:

Yeah. No. It's amazing.

Jamie:

Dude, his story is fucking legendary. Yeah. His story reminds me of shit that colleges do. And you'll understand when you hear the story.

Scott:

Okay. So alright. So we're gonna we're gonna park and let that till the end. So let let's go to, like, today's topic

Jamie:

Yep.

Scott:

Which is more more or less winning at all costs. And and this kinda came up after some some That's

Jamie:

a good point. It is winning at all cost.

Scott:

Pretty much. That's like the theme. But No. You're right. So let's just let's just talk about in the ranks.

Scott:

You know, recently, both you and I have heard talk about an organization where there was a coach giving young kids smelling salts.

Jamie:

A lot of people have heard about this.

Scott:

At this point, yes. Our area. We've known about it for a little bit.

Jamie:

Young kids smelling salts.

Scott:

Yeah. Under the age of 12.

Jamie:

Under the age of 12. They were what? They were 10?

Scott:

I'm not could be.

Jamie:

They were nine?

Scott:

I don't know. Either way, listen, dude.

Jamie:

They were young.

Scott:

They were young kids. And so basically, it's so it's like these are like, why do you do that in the first place? Right? And so the idea of like, well, I mean, it kind of falls in line with like doing whatever you can to gain a competitive edge. Right?

Scott:

And so, I mean, like, just think about that for a second. Like, let that sink in.

Jamie:

I mean, they're

Scott:

fucking Let that sink in.

Jamie:

Squirts or whatever it is.

Scott:

We're talking about giving young kids Yeah. Under the age of 12 Yeah. In in inhalants Inappropriate. Inhalants

Jamie:

Yeah.

Scott:

To stimulate them. That's

Jamie:

Inappropriate. On crazy levels of inappropriateness.

Scott:

And I think about that it's like

Jamie:

even I've never even used a fucking smelling salt.

Scott:

I've never used them either. But but let's just talk about what they are though. Okay? So, like, just so we kinda, like, get that. Yeah.

Scott:

So they're basically small capsules. And I've also seen, like, Rogan, you can get a jar where you just open the jar and waft it. But a lot of times you'll see on the bench, you'll see spent

Jamie:

So when EMTs use it, do they have Is it the capsule or is it

Scott:

like It's like a capsule that's inside of a cloth.

Jamie:

And generally they use it for when people pass out, no?

Scott:

Yes.

Jamie:

Right? Isn't that what the EMTs use it for?

Scott:

Yes. Yes. Basically what happens when you crack them open, the ammonia gas that comes out, like, it irritates Jokes the system. It irritates like your nose and your lungs, like the membranes in your nose and lungs, And which then triggers like a reflex so that you breathe deeply, it's gonna bring in more oxygen into your body. There is a potential for heart rate and blood pressure to go up a bit.

Scott:

Like the person smelling it, you get like a jolt of awakeness. Right?

Jamie:

But

Scott:

like they've been used they've been used for centuries.

Jamie:

Yeah. They've been used for a long time.

Scott:

There you you see professional athletes using them. You see, you

Jamie:

know, McKenzie hockey Blackwood used to use them before every game.

Scott:

Football. I just saw a clip of Aaron Rodgers and yelling and smelling salt.

Jamie:

McKenzie's after Right right when he's getting before he's getting into the net. Yeah.

Scott:

Aaron Aaron Rodgers, after the huddle, before the snap

Jamie:

No shit.

Scott:

Inhaled a smelling salt this past weekend and threw fucking dot. No. After the huddle, before the snap. On the field? On the field.

Scott:

What?

Jamie:

He take it out of his pocket? I don't know where the

Scott:

fuck he had it, but there's a clip on it. We can look it up.

Jamie:

What did he do with the spent casing? He probably just dropped it. Get the fuck out of here, dude.

Scott:

Swear to god.

Jamie:

Did he really? Yeah. He threw a fucking dime? Threw a fucking dime for a touchdown. YouTube that.

Scott:

Yeah. You should.

Jamie:

Fucking Aaron Rodgers.

Scott:

But you see you see players sniffing it on the bench all the times. But really, they're they're they're used in emergencies to revive people who are like

Jamie:

was gonna say when you pass down. You go out, that's what the EMTs would do.

Scott:

Yeah. So but, like, but part of the problem is that, like, they don't they don't really improve strength, speed, or stamina. Right?

Jamie:

I don't think it improves anything. It's It's supposed to wake you up when you're out cold.

Scott:

Yeah. They shock your system. Yeah. But it's only, like it's very temporary.

Jamie:

Temporary. I think it's seconds.

Scott:

Like right. Exactly.

Jamie:

You know? So, like, there's no long term so if you give somebody if you give that to a child for a game, it's gonna wear off in seconds, first and So why are you doing

Scott:

it?

Jamie:

So why are you even doing it? Why are you doing it? And and what are the long term lasting effects of that shit on the on, like, that a child's system?

Scott:

But there's so well, look look. I don't know about long term. I don't know if there's any studies about it. But we we I think we could all agree that a child's respiratory system

Jamie:

Probably shouldn't be inhaling

Scott:

less developed and less mature than an adult. So anything that would irritate an adult is likely gonna have an x, you know, it's going

Jamie:

to There's affect them no question about it. I'm curious if it does damage to anything that's, you know, the growth of any respiratory system or nervous system or whatever.

Scott:

Yeah. So it's like, do youth athletes need to have stimulants in order to compete hard?

Jamie:

Of course not. It's like monster energy.

Scott:

Well, I mean, we'll get to that because that's like, I think, a more common, like, caffeine

Jamie:

It's and over the counter type shit. It's more I don't think you can go buy a fucking smelling salsa at your local seven Eleven.

Scott:

Then I'm thinking If you can.

Jamie:

What the fuck do

Scott:

I buy? If you're giving this to your kid, is it really for your kids or is it for the parents' ego to be like, we're all in and we are gonna win at what That's fucking stupid. Well, about what it teaches the kid. Right? Like, that you need to grab something outside of yourself in order to be at your best.

Scott:

Yeah. And there's no doubt that there are youth professional athletes who have steroids. It's not

Jamie:

Those are adults though.

Scott:

But we're talking about adults. And

Jamie:

they know the repercussions of them. Know the risks of them and there's long term studies on that shit too. And that's a choice. When you give it to a kid, there's no choice. Can you imagine a kid be like, No, I don't want to take that?

Scott:

Well, so listen,

Jamie:

Maybe some would say that, but most people are not going to defy their parent. The parent comes and says, Take this. Or their coach says, Take this.

Scott:

I heard also that it had gone on for a while without some parents knowing. And so part of the reason why I even want to bring this up is because you have coaches that you're entrusting your children with. And then can you imagine, at some point down the road, for whatever reason, I'm surprised kids didn't like I feel like that cat would have been out of the bag so fast. And again, I could be wrong. But my understanding is that it went on for a period of time and some parents got down and they were fucking furious.

Scott:

I honestly don't know. Honestly don't know.

Jamie:

Got it. I heard it was a whole season, by the way. Didn't hear That's what I heard. I heard that recently.

Scott:

No, a lot of people are talking about it.

Jamie:

So that's why we stumbled upon that conversation this past weekend actually, shockingly.

Scott:

Right. Yeah, likewise. It was last week someone was telling me and that it was not just that team, that there was other teams that were also

Jamie:

In the same building? Yep.

Scott:

But look, the the the point is not to like, you know, like No. No. I to throw anyone under the bus or like, you know, that's that's not the point. It's the point the point of this is that we all have children Yeah. That are playing the game and you all have children that are in situations where you don't see a 100% of what's going on.

Scott:

Look, it's no different than if your kid goes over to a place, it's a kid's

Jamie:

house It's like for a kid play going to school or a play Like

Scott:

you don't know what's going on at

Jamie:

the You'd other kid's like to think that you know the parent.

Scott:

You'd like to think, but you don't always know. So this is where A things like

Jamie:

100% of

Scott:

the time. You know, communication with like your kid about like what's going on in the locker room, everything okay? Yeah. You know, like it's it's not it's it is responsible to Yeah. Sure.

Scott:

Question probe ask. You have

Jamie:

the right to. They have your child.

Scott:

I know 100%.

Jamie:

Absolutely. They're technically responsible for your child while they're with them. So I have a question. Do we know how it got out of the bag? Did a kid finally say something to their parent?

Jamie:

How did that happen? Do we know?

Scott:

I don't know all

Jamie:

I didn't listen to enough of the story to tell

Scott:

don't know all the details, but at the end of the day, it did come out. And I think, there were some families that were pretty up in arms about it as you can imagine. I would

Jamie:

fucking live it. Are kidding me? If somebody was giving my kids smelling salts and I

Scott:

didn't know about it.

Jamie:

But then here's the thing. Right. I'd be fucking live it.

Scott:

So you right. So but then also, like, just to think about it, because I did some research to see, like Yeah. Are smelling salts banned anywhere? So Hockey Quebec, the governing body hockey body in in Quebec, Canada Right. They have banned smelling salts.

Jamie:

Recently.

Scott:

The yeah. I think the email went out, like, in February.

Jamie:

Oh, and what did it say? Did they make it?

Scott:

Saying they issued a directive banning ammonia based inhale and smelling salts in games, practices, and organized activities. Hakubect confirmed in an email that at least one coach in the province has been suspended in relation fucking should have been. Been. Has been suspended in relation to the use of smelling salts by players

Jamie:

Under

Scott:

under age 11. Age 11. So likewise, similar interesting. Same situation, basically. Same yeah.

Scott:

No shit. Like, there are there are there is precedent where you were governing hockey bodies have like banned this stuff and coaches have been suspended.

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

You know? Yeah. So it's a real thing. It's a real thing. And, you know, parents should just be aware that like, you know, the and I don't maybe this is a leap, but I don't think it is.

Scott:

It's like the early professionalization of children. And, you know, you have, like, you have older like, the older hockey player, like, you see pros sniffing salts. Then you're gonna have, like, older youth players. Like, the like, the younger

Jamie:

ages tobacco from

Scott:

age players. Looking up. You know, you're looking up to see who are your role models. What are they doing?

Jamie:

Like, what happens when they have Dykes are chewing chewing tobacco. You know? And all of us wanted to chew chewing tobacco. We were in we didn't chew Big League Chew instead.

Scott:

Big Chew. I remember I put a whole pouch in my mouth.

Jamie:

Dude, this shit was so good. You know what? It's still it's still, like, the real deal. Like, it's still the exact same shit.

Scott:

It's still bubble gum?

Jamie:

No. No. Like, they've changed Twinkies when we were younger. Yeah. Big League Chew is still the same.

Scott:

OG recipe?

Jamie:

I'm pretty sure. I mean, because I it for Dominic just because I wanted to try it years ago, and it's still the exact same stuff. Still shredded and everything. You can buy it in balls too, but if you buy the little bag, which is simulating

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah. Like a bag of dip.

Jamie:

Exactly. Or a bag

Scott:

of A bag of gum.

Jamie:

Bag of tobacco. Yeah. Yeah. It still has the shredded gum in it. Yeah.

Jamie:

It's fucking awesome.

Scott:

I'm surprised they haven't changed that.

Jamie:

Dude Remember

Scott:

these have like the candy cigarettes that were gum and they had powdered sugar and you could blow

Jamie:

We out the powdered were talking about that the other day. Can I just tell you, we bought a bunch of them? We were in Kinney Bunkport two summers ago and there was a cool candy store that we were in and Dominic wanted We showed him that they were fake cigarettes. For those of you who remember, there were two types of fake candy cigarettes. There was the one that were wrapped in wrapping that you blew and powdered came out.

Jamie:

And there was other one which were basically just crystallized, just like

Scott:

a white

Jamie:

crystallized skittier, not the same.

Scott:

Those are gross.

Jamie:

They were not as cool, right? Not even close to being as So we actually found, I guess we bought Dominic a package of the candy cigarettes. Yeah. And we found one the other day. I guess he didn't eat all of them.

Jamie:

Yeah. It was just a novelty. He tried two of and was like, All I'm done. And we found them the other day. They were buried at the bottom of a beach bag.

Jamie:

No shit. Really? That's so funny. Did you try one? And they still worked, by way.

Scott:

They did? Yes. Did you try the gum?

Jamie:

Yeah. It's it's it's the same stuff as when we were kids.

Scott:

Yeah. I once not too too long ago, I there was like a pack a pack of, like, Topps baseball cards, and I tried the gum that must have been, like, thirty years

Jamie:

Wait. They still come

Scott:

with you? No. But it was an old pack. From the eighties? Not I don't think it was some of the early nineties.

Scott:

Like Still.

Jamie:

It's still Was it hard as a rock?

Scott:

Hard as fuck.

Jamie:

Oh, bro.

Scott:

It doesn't work anymore.

Jamie:

I I'm not sure.

Scott:

It was like it was like you had, like, just pieces in your mouth that were like It just falls apart. I don't even think they ever, like, hit together.

Jamie:

Right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

Scott:

that shit was gross to begin with.

Jamie:

That was gross to begin with. But it was pretty cool back in the day.

Scott:

It was cool back

Jamie:

in the day. You just bought a pack pack of baseball cards just to get the gum. Yeah. You know? It's like a

Scott:

treat. That was like in Cracker Jack boxes at the toy.

Jamie:

Can I just tell you, all the baseball cards that I had when I was a kid, like if I had held onto them and not thrown them out Yeah? I mean, like, I had some heavy duty, like

Scott:

Good job throwing

Jamie:

them out.

Scott:

Yes. My parents threw out all my fucking hockey think

Jamie:

my mother did

Scott:

it. Yeah. My mom did

Jamie:

it too. Yeah. Think she did them.

Scott:

Thanks, mom. Yes. Appreciate you.

Jamie:

Yeah. Thousands and thousands.

Scott:

No. I really do appreciate your mom. You're the Likewise. See you Thursday. So in any event, so look, I guess the takeaway here is really parents, it's important to stay in tune with what's going on in the locker room.

Scott:

Our team has a parent chaperone that's on locker room duty each week. So they're responsible for

Jamie:

being We had around too up till last year. Up till this year, sorry.

Scott:

Up till this year. So it's something that you might want to consider.

Jamie:

It's a USA hockey thing, no? I think they want a parent around or a coach in the locker room.

Scott:

Someone in the locker room.

Jamie:

They want somebody in there.

Scott:

But it's in any event. Yeah, no. It stands out that

Jamie:

don't want hazing or they don't want bullying or they don't want wedgies or whatever it is, whatever the kids do these Yeah.

Scott:

All right. So I think we're all in agreement that smelling salts is probably not the right thing to be giving to young kids.

Jamie:

I so Dom has been playing since he's five. And I have never encountered somebody with smelling salts. No. And I played Dom played at pretty high levels. I've never seen one parent go, come here, bud.

Jamie:

Yeah. No. Not once.

Scott:

Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Not once. But this also brings up a few other things.

Jamie:

What the score of their game is. It doesn't matter what the standings are. Doesn't matter where their team fit. It doesn't matter.

Scott:

Not when you're potentially messing with your kid's health.

Jamie:

It doesn't fucking matter. Mean, it doesn't matter anyway. Like, there's no reason like, what are you gaining a competitive edge for? For what reason? Nobody's looking at your kid at this age.

Scott:

But on that note, like, so that also made me think of, like, other forms of things that people use. Right? And so let's talk about an obvious thing that We I even

Jamie:

should have asked Marsh about this last week.

Scott:

We had a follow-up of with him. We can just send him an email. I would love to his on this thing. Send him an email.

Jamie:

We'll find out. I'd be curious if his Hobart players pull the shit. You know what I mean? I'd be so curious. I would love I'm sorry we didn't think about this last week.

Jamie:

It would be a great question.

Scott:

Well, we can still follow-up

Jamie:

with you. Of course. And we definitely will. But I would I would have loved to

Scott:

have added it. And also Brad too.

Jamie:

Brad too.

Scott:

High school. I wonder what their rules and policies are. Right?

Jamie:

I'm very curious.

Scott:

On smelling salt. Yeah. Okay. But then let's just talk about sugar. Because sugar is something sometimes.

Scott:

I've definitely given my kids sugar before in the form of

Jamie:

We all have.

Scott:

Like candy But stickers with airheads or Snickers bar. Yeah. Okay. But like, let's just talk about the realities of like, you know, sugar. Similarly, like, it's just something that's going to like, you know, give you a short, very short term burst of energy.

Scott:

Yeah. And then there's usually a crash

Jamie:

Big.

Scott:

On the back end.

Jamie:

Mhmm.

Scott:

Right? So like, even if you're like at a tournament and there's like tons of games and kids are exhausted Yeah. Like, obviously, it's something you could reach into your pocket for, but like at the same time, like Yeah. Let's not overdo it here either, parents. Like, you know, between like sodas and Slurpees and candies and all these things that are

Jamie:

like True.

Scott:

You know, quote unquote, like tournament fuel, if you will. Yeah. Like, is probably a good idea because at the end of all that, your kid's gonna feel like crap. And also, you know, listen, I've struggled my whole life with like, you know, wanting sweets and craving sweets and it's something that is really hard for me. You You also know, want to set your kids up for long term success.

Jamie:

No question.

Scott:

And the more that they're devouring this stuff and they're thinking like, oh, I need to have a Snickers before my game. It's like that's probably not always true or for sure it's not and there's probably better alternatives, right?

Jamie:

Can interject with something like

Scott:

Yeah, 100%.

Jamie:

So it's funny you say that. Sugar is awful, okay?

Scott:

Yeah, it's like a drug.

Jamie:

Just the other day

Scott:

In my opinion.

Jamie:

I saw 100% the drug. Just the other day, I saw a study where they had two lab rats and they had two the size of a call it a big round table of water. And they put their rat in the water and there were bubbles in the water. So the rat had to navigate through the water. It was almost like a bubble bath for whatever reason.

Jamie:

I'm not sure why they had bubbles in but they did. And there was an island in the middle, call it, like a little island where when they put the rat into the water, the rat would swim to the island and they would see how long it took for the rat to swim to safety. All right? The first rat was fed a regular diet, a high nutritious diet. It took him five seconds to find the pad to safety.

Jamie:

Then they had a rat that was fed a kid's sugary diet. Kids, they said. It was actually the study. They put him in the water. It took him thirty six seconds to find the pad.

Scott:

No shit. Did they also give him booze?

Jamie:

The way he was swimming, you would think so, seriously. He looked out of sorts like he couldn't gather his thoughts. Again, how do you see if a rat can gather his thoughts? But when you see the two swimming, one is clearly more in tune than the other. One is clearly more competent than the other.

Jamie:

Right? The second rat that had a sugary diet looked like he was going to drown a couple times.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

Right? And they were saying that basically sugar shrinks the brain. It was like Alzheimer's for the brain. Were basically saying how awful sugar is and how it just screws up your decision making, it screws up your thinking, your thought patterns, your thought process. They're saying that it just crushes people.

Jamie:

So I thought that was relevant to what we're talking

Scott:

about. Because like the shoot You

Jamie:

should give that to a kid before he gets on the fucking ice. How is he gonna make those quick decisions? You know what I mean?

Scott:

Well, yes. Yeah. No. I totally agree with that. I I part of, like, where I my head was with it was just, you know, again, setting your kid up for long term success.

Scott:

Right? And it's, they probably have enough crap, like, as it is, if I had to guess. So just, like, before a game, you know, it's just like there is there not a time when like, you know, it's like kinda off limits? And I just feel like, you know, making smarter choices, teaching kids about nutrition because at some point nutrition is gonna be a big part of like what they're doing if they continue to play like, you know, if they continue to be an athlete.

Jamie:

It should be now just for healthy living.

Scott:

Yeah. No. I understand. But all I'm saying is that like, you know, we're talking about

Jamie:

how you gotta get

Scott:

your kid kinda jacked up or like, you know, whatever. Mhmm. So Yeah. Sugar's another one. Now, this is something that I've also come across as parents giving young kids caffeine like Red Bull or Monster or whatever to their Celsius.

Scott:

And that's also a very slippery slope. Kids don't need to start drinking caffeine. Cranking heart rate. We're talking about things that are addictive at this point. I'm assuming it

Jamie:

your blood pressure. I'm assuming it affects your heart rate. It's heart pressure, blood. I mean, right?

Scott:

Don't know all the

Jamie:

blood pressure. I've I've not looked into it, but I I would think that it would it really does a number on your system.

Scott:

Right. I mean, look, it definitely has an effect on your system. I drink plenty of coffee and like I don't.

Jamie:

So I don't know. I don't have the

Scott:

But I think you could It cranks you up? Yeah, it certainly can if you drink enough of it. And then there's also then then it starts diving into like the the pre workout world where they've got like other ingredients in there and like none of these things so when I say none of these, clearly sugar is marketed towards kids. But like broadly speaking, I guess energy drinks are to an extent, know. But caffeine and sugar wait.

Scott:

I lost my train of thought.

Jamie:

Saying they're marketing toward kids?

Scott:

Oh, no. The pre workout part. That's what I was talking about. So if you start then going down the energy drink route, and then there's these pre The pre workout workouts energy drinks. And the supplements and stuff like that, none of those things should be marketed or are marketed towards kids.

Scott:

Like an older demographic.

Jamie:

Should be adults, yes.

Scott:

Yeah. So so the point is that, like, getting these kids exposed to some of the stuff early on, you know, it can it it it you wanna set your kids up for long term success. And again, turning to something outside of themselves, you know, that's gonna get them jacked up that they might think that they're, like, dependent on or they need it or it's blah blah blah blah blah. There's no rush on that.

Jamie:

Yes. There's no rush on it. I don't think you need to be giving your kid smelling salts or energy drinks or loading them up with caffeine and shit like that. Don't think it's necessary.

Scott:

No. But it happens out there.

Jamie:

Of course it does.

Scott:

So again, parents also be I'll stop going down that route. I'm shocked sometimes at the amount of sugar that these kids are taking in the forms of candy before practice, after practice. It's nonstop.

Jamie:

I It's really think that some of us want our kids to go. We want our kids to go like they're supposed to on the ice. We want them to give you that effort that we want to see. So I saw a thing on Instagram today by a guy giving a talk and he was saying that he was talking about his kid who was playing football. And he's got his first freshman football game coming up.

Jamie:

And he said that the kid would train all the time, like our kids. They train all the time in their game, but he didn't see that that dogness that you want to see out on the ice. And this is on the football field for this kid, but we're talking about ice. So we all want to see that dogness in our kids on the ice, right? So this guy was talking about his kid's first freshman football game, and he was breaking away for a TD, and he dropped the ball before he hit the goal line.

Jamie:

And the defender that was chasing him recovered it for a touchback. So big mistake. And instead of hanging his head, his kid got pissed off and he channeled that and all of a sudden he saw that doggedness come out So as a freshman in high it's funny, we all want our kids to bring out that doggedness and be a dog on the field, on

Scott:

the

Jamie:

ice basketball court, whatever your play level or your play field is. I think the answer to that is it's going to happen differently for every kid. But his point was if you train up to that point, you need to keep feeding the dog. If you don't feed the dog, it's not going to come out. But if you keep feeding the dog and working out and feeding him, just working out and getting in and preparing and doing the right thing, it will come at some point.

Jamie:

So I thought that was appropriate because I literally saw that this morning.

Scott:

And using like We

Jamie:

should repost it on our Instagram actually. It was really good.

Scott:

No, that's a good point. One other thing that also comes up that I see on the bench is like spent like Zins, tobacco no, tobacco less nicotine.

Jamie:

Yeah, the pouches.

Scott:

Yeah. And another thing that's used as a stimulant, but like highly addictive. Highly addictive. 100%. So our kids aren't there.

Jamie:

It's funny shit. I've seen them on the bench at that same fucking building.

Scott:

Yeah. Zins and smelling salts.

Jamie:

I haven't seen that in any other building, by the way. Why is that?

Scott:

I don't know. Well, Well, maybe just, I don't

Jamie:

why is that? Is there like a don't know.

Scott:

I don't know. But nonetheless, I mean, that's just like one other thing that like as a parent, wanna like have a conversation with your kid about. 100 And be mindful of that like, you know, I don't know how far it is. I don't know if anyone like, I don't know if Dom knows anyone that's ever tried it or Dom has got friends that has brothers that are using you know what I'm saying? But he's He's never mentioned it to me.

Scott:

Right. But it's You know? Listen.

Jamie:

I'm sure he's been exposed

Scott:

to it. It's something to have a conversation about.

Jamie:

There's no question about it. Wanna be open and honest with your kid, and you want them to feel comfortable enough to come to you and talk to you about that.

Scott:

Right?

Jamie:

Yeah. You tell them why it's not good for them.

Scott:

Right. And so I don't know. Any of this stuff before the game, I kind of thought to myself, if it's something I would like, kid would have at a birthday party, like, okay, in moderation. Right. But, like, if your kid's not gonna have that at a birthday party Probably not appropriate.

Scott:

Probably not appropriate. So, you know, my kid's never been to a smelling salt birthday party Nor has my hasn't been to a Zin birthday party nor, a caffeine although I guess Coca Cola's got caffeine, so what the fuck.

Jamie:

That shit's awful for

Scott:

Yeah, you, the no doubt. That shit's awful for you. The bottom line is just it's important to stay on top of the stuff and what's going on behind the scenes.

Jamie:

Yes, it is. Well said.

Scott:

Yeah, man.

Jamie:

No, that's a very good topic, by the way.

Scott:

Yes, I totally agree. So I made some other notes, just like the other ideas with the topic of winning all costs, just some other things that probably fall into play that isn't necessarily taking things. But just pushing kids physically too soon.

Jamie:

Like too much working energy.

Scott:

Potentially overtraining, getting them to play through injuries, for example.

Jamie:

So I don't mind my kid playing through an injury. Like, if it's, like, soreness, I don't mind it. If he's, like, hurt, that's another story.

Scott:

No. We're talk I'm talking about being hurt.

Jamie:

I'm not

Scott:

I'm not talking about oh, and that's the other thing about smelling salts. Smelling salts

Jamie:

can mask me this.

Scott:

They can mask injuries.

Jamie:

It's almost like a cortisone shot.

Scott:

It could be.

Jamie:

You don't feel it for whatever reason. Yeah. That's frightening.

Scott:

Yeah. So that's

Jamie:

That's crazy. Think about that. It does something to the nerves in your brain because that's where it's going. When you're when you're I'm assuming when you ingest that, it goes right to your brain. Because if it's waking you up, I'm assuming it's going I don't know how

Scott:

it works.

Jamie:

It has to go right up your nose.

Scott:

It irritates your respiratory system.

Jamie:

Well, that too.

Scott:

And that irritation causes your body to wake up somehow.

Jamie:

Okay. But if it masks injuries, what does it do to the nervous system? It does something to it that clearly is tamping down pain receptors. No?

Scott:

I don't know the science.

Jamie:

Neither do I. But think about it. If that's true that it truly masks an injury, like it masks pain

Scott:

Oh, I'm not saying it masks pain. I just think that if you're giving your body a jolt of awakeness, perhaps in the moment, I don't know, if you took it on the bench, it's like, oh, I I like dislocated my knee. I have some smelling salts and you don't feel it. I think it has more to do with, you know, the idea of like

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

I see what

Jamie:

like I see what

Scott:

you're saying. You know, being a kind of out of it. Right. It could just wake you up and then you go back out for another shift and then who knows what happens. I wonder

Jamie:

I wonder if there's like any long term studies on that stuff.

Scott:

I don't know that there are any true long term like consequences from using smelling salts. But I again, I don't know. But other things that at winning at all cost that you should be, like, careful for. So, okay, like, parents or coaches pushing their kids to, like, play through pain, like, overtraining. Psychological pressure, we talk about that a lot, like, car ride home, like, ripping into your kid.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

Like, oh, roster politics. That's like a whole another episode. Been there, done that. So in any event, parents that play that, you know what I mean? Like just so they can get whatever the perceived edge is.

Scott:

Know? That's something to be mindful of. Money flexing.

Jamie:

Dude, do you know that people have been do you know that I mean, listen. I I just can't believe that people are fucking paying coaches for, like, roster spots and people are paying coaches for higher rankings on a birth year's ranking system.

Scott:

Dude,

Jamie:

Like best 2012, best 2013. They're paying. Paying. Paying.

Scott:

I heard of a They're

Jamie:

paying people off. Like, what the fuck is wrong with

Scott:

you? There there's a family that that I don't I don't know the family.

Jamie:

Fuck is wrong with you?

Scott:

Are you that fucking stupid? Dude, I heard that there was like a club near us also where a family paid in excess of some 6 figure number for their kid to be on a team.

Jamie:

So I have heard yes. I I I know teams that there's a parent wants their kid on team so badly that they have basically funded that team for the season essentially.

Scott:

Right. Right. So money flexing. Money flexing. Or flying everywhere.

Scott:

Like, you've got families that fly out from Florida to play in New Jersey or wherever, I for

Jamie:

have a good friend of mine who does it. Right. Yes. He does it. Now listen, I will say this.

Jamie:

I'm not sure he's money flexing, but the hockey in Florida is so backwards. This is what he says. The hockey in Florida is so backwards that he comes up here to play because it's just set up differently here. And I think it is pretty backwards

Scott:

in Florida.

Jamie:

That may change, but that's why he does that. Unless he has money flexing.

Scott:

Well, listen. Whenever you're using your wallet to Listen.

Jamie:

He's clearly all right. So here's my question. What's the difference between him coming up here to play on a better team up in New Jersey as to, say, myself taking my kid to a better team that's in the next town over. What's the difference?

Scott:

Well

Jamie:

It's costing him more money to do, clearly. But what's the difference?

Scott:

So so I'll tell you what I think the difference is. I think that the kid that has to regularly get on a plane weekend over weekend is spending an exorbitant amount of time flying.

Jamie:

No question.

Scott:

And that is time that he's not being a normal kid. You know what? He's he's that's time taken away from being with friends, developing relationships. And I, like,

Jamie:

I don't You're not wrong. No psych I'm no

Scott:

psychologist, but, like, I don't know what that it it so listen. That is so far out of, like, the norm

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

That, like, anything on, like, the extreme ends has got to, like, send different signals than just going to play in the town over.

Jamie:

I'm gonna push back on you. Okay? Sure. So my buddy, Ben, from Binghamton

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

So he drives down from Binghamton. Yeah. His kid's in the car for probably the same amount of time that the other kid's on the airplane. Yep. Same idea.

Scott:

That is excessive. In my in my

Jamie:

opinion It is excessive.

Scott:

There are people that do it.

Jamie:

It it you're not wrong, but but but he does it because there's no good hockey by him. Same as why the guy from Florida comes up because there's no good hockey by him.

Scott:

Okay. And if you're willing to make that sacrifice

Jamie:

Yes.

Scott:

All all I think No. I know

Jamie:

what you mean. I'm just pushing back just for the sake

Scott:

of all No. You should.

Jamie:

Just for the just for, like

Scott:

But we're talking debate. So let's just let's just kinda maybe like leave it with this. Right? Like the things that we're talking about winning at all costs, there are gonna be families that do it.

Jamie:

There's gonna Speaking of Ben, he's gonna be on our next episode. You guys tune in for him because he's fucking hysterical.

Scott:

We can ask him about this.

Jamie:

Yes. And we will because he's fucking hysterical.

Scott:

But the winning at all cost piece, I think this conversation is really meant just to like, you know, for parents that might be naive that some of this stuff happens, like it does. Right? So just opening people's eyes to things that they might not think is happening.

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

And specifically with the younger kids, we're talking about caffeine and salts and older kids, tobacco and whatever or nicotine, I should say. So that's that. And then the other thing is just to provoke thought at least to be like, are my lines with all this?

Jamie:

Like, Clearly, you have to draw your own lines.

Scott:

What end am I willing

Jamie:

To go to.

Scott:

To go to, you know? Because if some of this stuff does come up, at least you've given it some thought. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because there's

Jamie:

You're right. You're not wrong.

Scott:

So that that's the the point is not to say, like, necessarily pass judgment. It's more just to like bring awareness to these things. Right. And also encourage like deeper reflection about like, oh, well, maybe I'm gonna be faced with that situation. Like what what's my stance on smelling salts?

Scott:

Like if my kid wants to go, you know, play hockey in Toronto because the hockey in New Jersey isn't good enough, am I gonna do that? You know someone that does do that. So in any event, everyone's got their own lines. This conversation is just meant to invite fun.

Jamie:

Of course. Of course they do. Absolutely. No, no. You make a good

Scott:

point. But at the end of the day, stop NHL NHL

Jamie:

ing your kid.

Scott:

Your 10 year old.

Jamie:

Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. Or 12 year old.

Jamie:

Yeah. Just make sure he learns really good life skills. Yes. And if he goes far

Scott:

Great. Phenomenal. Yeah. Yeah. Alright.

Scott:

So let's go to this week's story.

Jamie:

How long have we been going for?

Scott:

You know, about probably like an hour, sixty Oh,

Jamie:

nice. So we're on we're target here.

Scott:

I think so. Alright. So here here here we go. So my gosh. Kirk this is epic.

Scott:

So Alright. So he DMs us the other day. And this and this is what he wrote. He said, hello, Kirk from Ontario. Kirk from Manitoba.

Scott:

Stop it. Years ago

Jamie:

We love Kirk. Super fan. Love him.

Scott:

Years ago, my daughter played Adam in a small center. Our top teams were BB level for our top teams were the double b level for our top teams.

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

Girls hockey in Ontario, the levels go double a, single a, double b, b, and c according to your town size. Most larger cities have a combination of all the levels.

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

Played the entire year, won a bunch of tournaments, and Lower Lakes championship.

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

Went to the Ontario provincials before we before we when I noticed Cornwall entered a team in Adam double b. They had played a slash double a in the Ottawa region all year and were competitive all year.

Jamie:

So they were playing down?

Scott:

They were playing down. Drop down to Adam double b to win. They ran through the provincials, beat us in the semis two to one.

Jamie:

Oh, man. Sam must beat them too.

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie:

Even though they were sandbagging.

Scott:

Yeah. Totally. So Kurt goes on to say, it may be petty, but to this day I think they stole our banner. This is where the crazy hockey dad story comes from. In a few years after that, I was on the way to Ottawa with my son for a tournament during the five dash six hour drive we stopped off at the Cornwall Arena, and myself and another dad stole the banner off the wall.

Scott:

Quote unquote, my name is Kirk, and I'm a crazy hockey puck. Fucking

Jamie:

legendary, dude. They stole the banner back.

Scott:

Epic.

Jamie:

Bro, that's almost as good as falling through a fucking pro shop ceiling.

Scott:

That is unreal.

Jamie:

They stole the banner.

Scott:

That's legendary.

Jamie:

Dude, that's what I meant before when I said colleges. Colleges go on their rivals' campus and try to steal their mascot.

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie:

Yeah. That's what that reminded me of. Dude. That's phenomenal.

Scott:

Took with what was theirs.

Jamie:

Bro, that is so good. And the fact that him and another dad did it was like, Mike, that's Kirk, not only are a

Scott:

super fan,

Jamie:

you're a fucking legend.

Scott:

Legend. Legend. Legend. Gonna retire his jersey.

Jamie:

Seriously. My goodness. Any crazy hockey dad hall of fame.

Scott:

Yeah. All right. So, dude, listen. So, yeah, I don't know. What I got for today.

Scott:

Think so. No. It's good.

Jamie:

That was good, man. We have so we have we have Ben from Binghamton coming up next episode.

Scott:

Ben from Binghamton.

Jamie:

Ben from Binghamton. Ben's a good friend of mine. His kid is very good. He is a funny bastard. You guys are really going to enjoy his interview.

Scott:

I can't wait to meet him.

Jamie:

He's a funny, funny bastard. And then the following, we're gonna have RJ from top line.

Scott:

Sick.

Jamie:

RJ is a big time skills guy in our area. He played at West Point. Good dude.

Scott:

Yeah. And he's definitely been around all levels, mostly the higher levels. But I mean, this kid has been a guy. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

Me.

Jamie:

No. RJ's a man.

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. No.

Scott:

He's around the block. And he has, I'm sure, insane number of stories just about what he's seen from, like, crazy hockey parents.

Jamie:

Oh, 100%.

Scott:

Being a skills coach, that's like, you know Yeah.

Jamie:

No. RJ is great. Yeah. So we're gonna do Ben. So Ben, next episode, 35.

Jamie:

RJ, 36. Excellent. That's the plan.

Scott:

Let's do that.

Jamie:

And we need to do our, our hockey picks as the season draws near, which I think starts next week. It starts on, like,

Scott:

the seventh. I think the seventh. Which is what? Next Thursday, Friday? It's next week.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

So we need to do our hockey picks next week.

Scott:

Okay. We could do that.

Jamie:

Luke Q signed with the Devils yet?

Scott:

No. But Karel Caperessopp did.

Jamie:

100 and

Scott:

Not with the Devils, but with That'd be nice. Minnesota today. Minnesota.

Jamie:

136,000,000?

Scott:

Yep. 17 per season, eight years.

Jamie:

Bro, what does that mean for McDavid? 17,000,000 a year for eight years? McDavid has

Scott:

to get more.

Jamie:

Has to. He has to get more.

Scott:

Well, listen. He can definitely command it. Whether or not he decides to take it is a different

Jamie:

story. I can't imagine him not. He's gonna get it from somebody.

Scott:

Well, here so, like

Jamie:

Whether he wants it from Edmonton or whether he wants it from somebody else, he's gonna get it from somebody.

Scott:

If you're listening, you're listening

Jamie:

He's not gonna take less than 17,000,000. There's no fucking I

Scott:

mean, that that's reasonable. I don't think just a lot there are people, other like podcasts and other people that know much more about What are

Jamie:

they saying?

Scott:

They're saying that he'll he'll likely take less than what he could command on the open market in order to preserve the cash to win because he's he's clearly said that he's winning is the goal. Winning is the objective. So if you take all of the candy and leave no candy for anybody else, you're you're you're hamstringing yourself.

Jamie:

Well, have to tell you. I mean, between him and dry cycle, if he takes, just call it $18,000,000 17,500,000.0 $18,000,000 $19,000,000 between him and dry cycle, you're talking about a very large chunk of your budget.

Scott:

Listen. Big numbers, dude. And that's why I'm not a GM.

Jamie:

You're not kidding. And the devil still haven't signed Blue Keys.

Scott:

McTavish signed. Saw that. Ducks.

Jamie:

Saw that. I I did see that.

Scott:

So that one got over the hump.

Jamie:

I saw that. But that that actually wasn't bad. He signed for, like, 42,000,000.

Scott:

I saw that. Six years.

Jamie:

Is that what it was?

Scott:

I think six years. Yeah.

Jamie:

Okay. That's not terrible. And then I saw Stolar signed.

Scott:

Stolar signed?

Jamie:

But not a lot of money for for, like, four years too, 15,000,000. Wait. It was a $15,000,000 extension. Maybe there is more money involved in it.

Scott:

I don't know.

Jamie:

I'm not sure either.

Scott:

Honestly, I just know that he signed.

Jamie:

Yeah. I saw he signed too.

Scott:

So some of it's starting to get done.

Jamie:

And Barcove obviously is hurt.

Scott:

Oh, did you see it was like a non contact injury.

Jamie:

First day of practice or some shit like that?

Scott:

That was like also like you saw Tariq Hill?

Jamie:

I did. Well, I was watching the Jet game last night. Jesus. Because I am a JET fan, unfortunately.

Scott:

But, like, between Barkov and like, okay, Tariq Hill's like that was more contact.

Jamie:

Dude from the from the Giants got hurt too?

Scott:

I didn't see that.

Jamie:

Neighbors is out too.

Scott:

But all I'm saying is that, like, you know, you see these guys sacrificing their body and yet, like, something that's, like, as routine as, like, just getting tossed You come down with tossed in the like, out of bounds or, like, just like, toe picking, whatever really happened to Barkhoff. Like, look at what can happen, man.

Jamie:

Yeah. His knee twisted in a strange way. That didn't look good. No. It it did not.

Jamie:

When it when he did it, it didn't and then he gets helped off the ice, which you know is not good with his foot in the air.

Scott:

Yeah. So then you have what's his face? Ka chucks out until December Yeah,

Jamie:

you said December.

Scott:

That's a

Jamie:

shame, dude. Yeah. Someone else

Scott:

went off the ice. I was just reading earlier. It doesn't matter.

Jamie:

No? Was it a big name?

Scott:

Yeah. There was concerns. Oh, I forget.

Jamie:

All right. Well, listen. Either

Scott:

way, let's hope for speedy recoveries for all. Yes. We wanna see them back on the field, the ice, whatever.

Jamie:

And hopefully, Devils sign the Qs before the start of the season. That'll be nice.

Scott:

Well, we'll see

Jamie:

what happens. Just saying. And all right. Good. This was awesome, dude.

Scott:

Yeah, dude. Awesome. Episode.

Jamie:

Good shit. Yeah. All right. Here we go. So I'll see you on the next one.

Scott:

Next one, sir.

Jamie:

All right, homeboy. Peace out.

Scott:

See you. Later.

Jamie:

Go yanks. Whatever. Again.