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Explore the Edmonton Region's role in solving the global climate crisis.
Welcome to, to carbonizing today, a deep dive into
the Edmonton metro region's role in addressing the global climate crisis.
In this episode, we're here with Corwin Bruce,
the director of project engineering with Heidelberg materials,
and Adam Trockley, the director of low carbon development
and Embridge, along.side your host, Brent Lakeman.
Today, with me are really two leaders within the CCUS ecosystem in Alberta.
So Corwin Bruce from Heidelberg materials leading their carbon capture and
storage project and Adam Chalkley with Enbridge.
So uh great to have you both here.
I know uh we want to talk a bit about collaboration, but maybe before we
do that, we'll just get you each to speak a bit about your role within the
CCUS ecosystem for Cor.
If you can go first.
Yeah, sure. um yeah, so I'm Corn Bruce.
I'm the project director for the Edmonton CCS project for Heidelberg materials.
I have a background in CCS, uh one of the one of the early early
early adopters of CCS worked on boundary dam, uh looking to
do our uh my second project and the first first project for Heidelberg here in uh in North America.
And Heidelberg's running one of the companies that is looking at
carbon capture and uh including a range of technologies.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
So Heidelberg is very committed to sustainability and Heidelberg
has actually made a goal to capture and store ten million tons of CO2 by the year 2030.
And so the Edmonton Project here here in Edmonton is certainly a a major piece of that.
We're already building the Brevik facility in Brevick Norway.
That one's going to hit mechanical completion here before the end of the year.
And we're going to be storing CO2 from it early in in 2025.
We also have another six projects that are sort of running in parallel
with the with the Edmonton project at various stages of development, uh kind of around the world.
So Paidswood in the UK, um Mitchellland,
Indiana, and a number of others in in Europe as well.
Sure.
And I and I'll come back a bit later to, you know, how your how the company is looking
at these various sites and maybe how the Edmonton region is fitting into that uh that discussion.
So Adam, uh with the Wabman Project with Enbridge,
maybe you can just talk a bit more about that CO2 storage initiative
that you're leading and also, you know, maybe also some of the collaborations that
you're seeing with other partners like Heidelberg materials
Sure, yeah, thanks for having us uh run. uh Adam Chuckley,
uh director of low carbon De development at Embridge.
It's great to be here at the third edition of Carbon
capture Canada, um and be able to kind of see the progress that industry's
been making, I guess, from the first edition of 2020 when uh
Ambridge um
you know, first announced uh and was really happy to be able to
talk about being one of the first six hubs to be awarded poor space in
Alberta's poor-pace award process, or a competitive process.
And um so yeah, the the Waban carbon
storage hub is a um transportation and
storage infrastructure that's being developed in
the greater Edmonton area, um in conjunction with our partner
Heidelbrberg Smet, so they would be the anchor project for this. um
You know, some some unique attributes about
our project is um
It's well situated close to uh, you know, a broad
array of emissions in the greater Edmonton area, including Albert Industrial Heartland, as well as Heidelberg.
And we have um five indigenous partners all
also in this um project.
So uhaxean Met, um Alexis
Alexander Enoch and Paul First Nations.
and they have an opportunity um once
completions happen to earn or to own up to 25 to 50% of the project.
So we're, you know, for us, it's both groundbreaking in
terms of indigenous participation,
which we think is really key to the success of, you know,
infrastructure projects moving forward, but also,
you know, really excited to be at the cutting edge in terms of providing
transportationist equustration solutions for projects like Heidelberg..
And I really want to speak about that partnership opportunities.
You're both here.
So really recognizing the partnership between your two companies.
You've mentioned the First Nations involvement as well.
And maybe if you each of you just speak a bit about, you know, how that comes together,
these types of partnership opportunities around CO2 hubs between
emitters, storage facilities, other types of partners,
like investors, First Nations partners.
So maybe Corwin, if you can just go first about how how we saw this
partnership actually come together several years back
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, so so we launched the Edmonton CCS project in about 2019
and uh with the first feasibility uh study that we looked at.
And of course, one of the things that we did as part of that was was assess where we were going to do our CO2 storage.
So we went out with an expression of interest looking for interested parties
uh that potentially could could serve our our storage needs.
Ultimately, uh Enbridge with their successful application
was uh was one of the hubs that was closest to us and uh, you
know, being developed by a world-class partner uh like Enbridge.
And uh, and so that's something that Heidelberg looked at as a way of
of basically drisking the project so that we could take, you know, some of
the transportation and storage uh risks and move that off off
site to uh to others so that we could concentrate just on the capture and that infrastructure install.
So I think it's uh I think it's the opportunity, obviously,
to have good closed storage, which of course, is why why
there's so much CCS potential here in Edmonton
that that Edbridge had and then the the experience in the drive
that they had to to deliver, you know, large infrastructure
on pipeline and uh and subsurface as well.
And so that that's sort of fit as a as a good marriage for us to
to let us focus in on on less of the problem rather than the whole problem.
And I think that's what we've been what we've been doing.
Of course, we have we have touch pointss between us.
I mean, we're providing CO2 at at a certain specification
and a certain pressure and and these sorts of things.
So there's certainly things that we need to collaborate on.
but it's been it's been very good for us to to simplify
our focus, at least for Heidelberg materirial's point of view.
And how about from the Enbridge perspective, including emitters,
but also, again, the First Nation's partners and and what, you know, what makes
a good partnership and what is everyone looking for in this relationship?
Yeah, maybe maybe just step back a
bit and why why we're in the wave an area and then we can kind of delve into
the into the collaboration pieces um
This isn't new for Ambridge.
which has been involved in the development and interest in the in,
you know, the the provision of CCS
infrastructure for quite a long time, although, you know, you know, I think there's a a
recent resurgence, you know, post-200 across
across broader industry and a lot of new new cameras in the space.
um We are actually part of a project in the
early 2000 thousands, um, several projects that focused on the
Waban area, including project pioneer, um the Alberta
Saline aquifer storage project, as well as the Waban area storage project.
And so
when the competitive process came up and we started looking around, we looked at a couple of things.
One was our history and our understanding and our experience in that
area, and it was a natural fit to build on it.
The other one was um, you know, what the emissions sources were around there.
And um,
you know, I think um we started talking to Heidelberg early on.
And and one of the reasons was was because they were a first mover.
If you if you actually look back and look through the media and the announcements,
Heidelbrberg started talking about this in the news in the media in 2019 long before
heightened interest in the space.
And the other thing that we we looked at as
as Heidelberg as a partner is semement and what it means in
the world of decarbonization, um to steal steal
Corwin's thunder in his punchline, cement or or concrete that is made with cement
the world's, you know, second most used material after water.
And when you start understanding what the concentration levels are of
CO2 and cement and what the alternatives are, which are very limited,
you you quickly realize that it's critically important that cement
be decarbonized as a high priority as
as opposed, you know, as compared to the other range of things.
And so we we really saw, you know, I think the the
value and the importance and understanding of what it was that Heidelberg
was trying to do, that they were a first mover.
They weren't, you know, they weren't following a fad.
They were absolutely a leader in this space.
in terms of the relationship between Heidelberg
and Cap power, I mean, one one could say, well, you know,
Ambridge, you're simply a service provider to to Heidelberg.
And and we could kind of go to our traditional kind of paradigm for doing business.
But the reality is, is that
we're trying to do something very difficult here.
We're trying to break new ground and in in
order to do that, both sides need to be vulnerable and open.
And we have what I would call an extremely collaborative.
Like, you know, I would describe the nature of a relationship as as a partnership because
there's no way to make progress in this space with with
with anything, but I call it very open and transparent problem solving between the two of us.
And so I think that's really great.
Same what the indigenous part is on the collababoration side is is
um being able to go
to them with just an idea and not have everything penciled
out, like we traditionally did was a big change for us in in terms of our approach.
Like Embridge is the type of organization that really likes to have things bolted down.
We know exactly what we're
and you can't use that approach in this new space.
And so we we had to rethink about, okay,
we're going to go and see these indigenous partners and we're really not sure what
we're doing, but we really valued the like the
opportunity to get in there early and and have them
participate from the ground level, which is a real change in things for us.
And then more broadly, I think collaboration's
extremely apart and across the broader industry because we need
to share learnings across the board because um
it drives efficiency.
It increases speed and it drives out risk.
So learningings from our competitors, similar projects that are being developed around the world.
I mean, collaboration right now is the key to success for all of this.
True.
And I just want to talk a bit more about the project, particularly Heidberg's
project, really the size and the significance, the scale of it.
So I guess what does this really mean for the cement sector?
And also, I think to an extent, the hub itself and
the size and scale of the hub, which has a very large geographical footprint.
So maybe we'll start on the capture side with Heidberg and really
that significance of this project from a global perspective.
Yeah, sure.
So if you back up from a global perspective, I know
Adam already stole my line.
But but certainly, you know, uh Sement is a is
seven percent of the world's GHG emissions come from the production of Sement.
And and of course, concrete is the uh is the second most used material in the world after water.
And so it's something where there is no there's no alternative, right?
So there's no there's no solarement.
There's no windpoweredement.
There's no renewableement.
It's going to it's going to continue to to to be part of our building.
The other thing is, is that is that cement itself, the production
of cement, the chemistry itself is where two-thirds of our emissions come from.
So we start with limestone, we heat it up and two-irds of the
emissions are actually limestone turning into lime, which is the first start of our process.
And so that makes meant a hard to abate sector.
So here we have a product that is
essentially irreplaceable and has a inherent
high footprint, regardless of what fuels you use.
So that really leads it to being a good option
for post-comustion carbon capture because we have the fuel the
fuel emissions and the and the process emissions
mixed together in one piece going off to the facility.
And so, you know, if we talk about about the
significance of the Heidelberg Edmonton Project, I think we start with Brevik.
So Brevik is going to capture 400,000 tons of CO2 per year.
That's about Brevik has just help us location wise.
This is back in Europe and Norway,
Sorry, sorry.
Brevick is in uh is in Norway.
It's about three hours south of uh of Oslo.
Um And so what that project's going to do is it's going to capture 400,000 tons of CO2 per year.
And that's about half of the flu flu gas uh off of the back of that existing system.
And of course, they're a little bit limited because, uh, you know, they have
to use only heat that's recovered from the from the Sement
kiln because there isn't a, you know, a huge source of natural gas or something like that that's that's available.
And so and so that is going to be the first large scale project
that Heidelberg actually has in service.
The Edmonton Project is going to be the first one that treats all of the flu
gas from the existing kiln.
And so and so that's going to make us a first on that on that line.
I think one of the things that's really interesting about Sement is
is cement plants are are different in energy infrastructure
where CCS has been applied forever, right?
Everything everything to date has always been energy infrastructure.
And so this is stuff that is hyper reliable, uh runs
day in day out and and really has has no dispatch requirement.
Well, we in the S sector, we have a market that we're trying to fill.
And so our Sme kiln is not necessarily able to run or need to run all the time.
And so one of the things that we really is really
pioneering about the Edmonton CCS project is we've combined
a combined heat and power plant with the facility.
We're going to treat the emissions from the kiln and the combined
heat and power facility at the same time using the CCS plant.
And then when the kiln has to come down, whether it's because of a market you
know, market slow down or whether it's because of reliability or whatever,
this facility is going to stay on and it's going to basically run in in power mode
So in terms of the numbers, uh when we're running with the K kilnon and
the and the power plant running at full load, we'll capture about four thousand
and eight5 tons of CO2 per day.
When the when the cement kiln comes on or comes down,
we stay on power mode and we'll capture about 1600 tons
per day, which represents 98% of the of the emissions in that flu gas.
So, you know, we have this dual mode plant, which I think is really
good for hard to abate sectors and stuff that's outside of the energy industry.
And I think it's a model we're going to see move forward.
Now, the next piece that goes with it is the is the um
the Sme kiln in Edmonton, uh we recently put in an alternative fuel system.
And so what we're doing is we're replacing about 50% of the
natural gas we burn to heat our kiln with waste and refuse derived fuel.
And so what's neat about that is is not only does it direct a
material away from a landfill, which, of course, is a is a future issue,
but a significant portion of the carbon that's in there is actually biogenic in content.
So this is coming from wood wood demolition weights, these
sorts of things that were in the air at some point.
And so um and so basically, you know, we
get to the point where because we capture 95% of the CO2 emissions
and because, you know,en to 15% percent of our CO2 emissions are
biogenic, we get all the way down to net zero on our entire site.
So so the site's actual footprint is going to be very
close to zero because of this biomass that comes in.
And just from a relevance, I guess this would be the world's first sc
commercial scale, net zero, low carbon cement facility.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely.
It'll be the world's first net zero carbon facility without using offsets without using anything.
It's just chemistry and the process on our site.
and actually will be will be also probably the lowest
uh lowest emission natural gas generation in the world as
well, uh because we'll be exporting in the range of about 70
megawatts that that we don't need to run our our Sement plant and our and
our CCS plant will be exporting about 70 megawatts onto the Alberta grid
from a site that has no apparent emissions.
And so that'll be a mission-free power that's baso and reliable and that kind of stuff.
So that's also a big part of our uh of our offering..
No, so exciting for the region and and Adam with the Wabman hub,
I get excited about it because we often talk about carbon capture and storage.
You know, focused around the industrial heartland, but your CO2
hub is much larger in in breadth, I guess, looking at the west
side of the Edmonton region, where we have counties like Parkland County, for example,
where we've seen, you know, a different indust industries locate,
so providing some opportunities, I guess, for a CO2 storage in
different regions and maybe we haven't always been thinking about.
I know it goes back to project pioneer and some of the earlier CCS projects, but maybe what's the relevance
both from the uh I think the different geological zones you've been looking
at as well as the the regional scale of Wadman
yeah no certainly um we have a
fairly large area in terms of lease. um it's
about 280,000 hectors and and involves
two distinct uh geological zones.
um You know, to give you an idea of of
what we're targeting for Heidelberg Smet, we're
we're targeting something called a basel sandstone unit, which is basically the lowest storage filation before you hit the basement, which is
essentially granite and and and unusable.
And in our lease space,
that formation sits um up to 3000 meters deep.
So we're talking really far down there.
And um and so we're doing a lot of work.
We've drilled two evaluation wells in there and there's a lot of
data collected baseline studies to
ensure that we fully understand um the
the formation before we go in there because it it needs to be done safely.
And and at the end of the day,
I don't know.
I guess contemplating, um, you know, a
billion plus dollar investment and whether or not that investment works or not
hinges on whether or not we can we can accept that CO2 at the end of the day.
So it's really important that we get this right.
It's a key part of the puzzle. um I will say like
geological modeling and and understanding increases over time, including through in service.
So we're hyperfocused on making sure that Heidelberg's right right now.
And what and putting in Heidelberg in service will unlock
our further unlock our understanding about how how much more can we take?
We're very, you know, we're very confident that we have a a
um rights that are more than able to
support Heidelberg's project.
But Heidelberg going in service will actually help us further understand how much further we can go with that.
You know, I think I think one of the things
that you have here and it shouldn't be lost if you got two
very, very focused companies that have been at this for a while, right?
As I said earlier, like
Heidelberg announced their project in 2019. um
and we've been at it for several years, too.
And we're not spreading ourselves thin.
Like we understand that we need to be focused.
And if we can't get this one, right, everything else doesn't really matter. um
you know, I think about the discipline and the investment that we've
both made at risk, um, you know, and you
know, Koran' probably worth talking about like technology selection, right?
And and and, you know, you've, you know, Embridge
recognizes, hey, we have a partner here who is who is advancing two of
the most proven technologies in the world, right?
Like,
everything is about, you know, cost risk profile and this thing.
But yeah, yeah, and I was going to ask you if specifically that
question about, you know, looking at different capture technologies.
I know you've been testing different approaches and maybe you can just speak about where
you're at and where those technology decisions are
when they'll be made potentially
Yeah, for sure.
So, I mean, so so the Edmonton CCS project, I mean, this is post-comustion carbon capture.
And so there are carbon capture projects around the world, but there are actually
very few that are post-combustion, right?
And so we have to look back to, uh, you know, boundary dam
and Petronova are the two examples here in North America
at the same kind of scale that we're talking about.
And so when we look for partners to do this project, we said, okay, well, let's
let's use the two most experienced partners in the world, right?
So we're using Mitsubishi heavy industries who's
who's partnered with Kiwit as their as their EP engineering firm.
And so that's one of our technology tracks.
And then we're also using uh shell and
technique who have partnered together.
And of course, that's the same technology that was used at at boundary dam.
So both of these companies are currently engaged in
a in a feed study that gets us all the way to basically
a durable, uh a durable offer to complete the plant.
So we have that going on.
We've selected obviously partners that that have built a million ton scale and actually know the full challenges.
I think that's one of the problems we see with with people who haven't
done it before, you know, there's just there isn't that experience in
terms of what hurdles might be might be up the road.
So we've drisked it that way.
The other thing is, is we've actually put pilot plants on our site.
And so one of the learnings that came out of came out of boundary
dam was that, you know, over time, over longer periods of
time, the contaminants and stuff in the flu gas, like the particulate
and these sorts of things, can actually play havoc with the chemistry.
And so that was one of the key learnings from boundary dam is that,
you know, once you get to 2000 or 3000 hours of operation,
you start to see side reactions and other stuff happening within
your within your aiming and the chemistry process.
And so that is one of the reasons that we're doing this long-term piloting on site
so that we can take both of these technologies, put them behind our
exact flu gas with the exact particulate we have and see
how it runs in the long term, and we can validate the durability of the amimine.
And then the second piece is is we can validate the residual
emissions or or the emissions that come out of the facility.
And so that's really important in terms of in terms of de-risking
is is choosing good partners and then testing their stuff on your actual kit.
that is that is key for derisking our Heelberg project.
Great.
Yeah, and great to see some of those companies right here at Carbon capture Canada as well.
So I've really seen how these players are all coming together.
Just just to build a bit off that.
So just as you're looking at different capture technologies, Heidelberg materials,
I think you mentioned is looking at different sites.
So can you maybe just speak to, you know, what you know, what what
does that competition for sites look like globally for Heidelberg?
And maybe what makes the Edmonton region so interesting, hopefully from
from the perspective of the company to move forward towards a final investment decision down the road.
Right?
I mean, the first thing you do when you're looking at carbon capture is you got to find the storage, right?
And so, um, you know, it's kind of a no-brainer to come to the Edmonton area.
We've got shell quests that's been established.
You know, we have the Alberta carbon trunk line, uh surgeon refinery, nutrient, right?
So there's CCS projects that are here that are storing CO2
underground and using it for ER, right?
So they're putting the CO2 away.
And so that is the key thing that we look at around the world.
So if you look at our, you know, our portfolio of projects that we're develop
ing around the world, they are either near places that
you can do geologic storage or they are near hubs or infrastructure that can allow storage, right?
So the Brevick project is an example.
There is no actual storage right there, but the the
Northern Lights project has has shipping container shipping ships
that will take actually the CO2 around the North Sea and put it into depleted oil fields.
And that's one of the things that let that project go forward.
Here in Edmon of, of course, we have we have a great, great
area around us and of course, we're we're partnered with Enbridge and so that's a good storage solution.
The one in Indiana has has locally available good geology.
And so they're looking at developing that storage uh themselves.
So certainly storage is one of the first things.
That's the that's the first thing you need to tick off the box.
And then the other thing is, uh, you know,
government and financial supports and and also the also
the the legal infrastructure and all that stuff you need to be able to do CO2 storage.
And so those things really all come together in Canada, the investment
tax credit, the Alberta carbon capture incentive plan really help us on the capital side.
And of course, we've got all the regulations in place in Alberta
or being developed in Alberta and they're really, really
focused on on getting everything we need to to basically,
you know, get the permits we need to store the CO2 and and to
get the value that's turned out of the of the offsets that are ultimately created.
So, yes.
and maybe even the workforce itself, I mean, you mentioned your your background on carbon capture as well.
So, you know, we're getting more experience with these types of projects, both in Alberta, Saskatu and places like that.
And so so Heidelberg has actually assembled a team.
I have a team of 15 people that are working on the on the
Heidelberg projects, specifically with with Heidelberg. um We
also have, you know, a number of contractors that help us so WSP is our owner's engineer.
We've already talked about the two technology providers.
We actually also have two technology providers for our combined
heat and power plant, uh and all the stuff that flows down through it.
So we're really keeping competition alive in in all parts of the project.
And so that's quite a bit of overhead, uh, honestly, to to carry around.
And so we need a we need a fairly big team to do that.
I think the other thing to talk about in the Edmonton region is,
of course, a carbon capture plant looks a lot like an oil refinery.
It looks a lot like a gas battery.
You know, I mean, these are these are, you know, basically gas
treatment facilities with lots of piping, heat exchangers, pumps.
And and in Alberta, we have that capability here.
We have the capability to modarize it and do that construction efficiently.
And so that's another benefit for us here in the Edmonton region.
We can use all that infrastructure that was built up to build out the the oil sands.
That same infrastructure works for us in in CCS.
So that's also a key key component of the benefit of being here in Edmonton.
And it gives me a bit of a segue, you know, back to Enbridge as well.
So, you know, think more generally about CCS for your companies,
you know, you're an energy company, Enbridge, you know, you're used to moving things around.
I think of the pipeline, work that Ebridge has done.
You're a cement company, but you know, where does carbon capturing storage
kind of fit into that balance now between sustainability,
economic prosperity, and maybe, you know, what are your your thoughts, your company's thoughts on moving forward in that space?
to build on on the on the Edmonton kind
of opportunity here, you're talking to two international companies.
I mean, Ambridge has substantial infrastructure in five five
countries. and in Heilberg many more. um and and
and you've probably heard on many other podcasts along the way, Capitol has no borders.
It free flows, um and it goes where it works the best
And and the reality is that Canada's in
in particular the Alberta industrial heartland or the immrreater Emmonton
region or Western Canada, all all still have some very strong attributes.
This is why you're seeing Heidelberg pick this location as one of its key things.
You know, we often get compared to the Gulf Coast, and why would I
build why would I build in the Gulf Coast versus Alberta is is quite often in comparison.
And and and people are still electing to do projects here.
I mean, Dow's net zero ing cracker is a big project.
alongside with that, you've got air products building a new project here.
You've got Lindy building a hydrogen plant for for Dow.
and these are all world-class projects,
large in large part due to things like having the CCS regulations in place.
It is a leading jurisdiction.
CS is a big building block for attracting projects in this area.
But it goes broader than that.
I think, um, you know, you touched on labor.
We touched on the availability of skill, you know, skills and knowledge here.
There's also other, I think, interesting
factors that really are going to drive continued um development this area.
I mean, from a gas price perspective, you know, we have some
of the most competitive natural resources pricing in the world, period,
um, even relative to the Gulf Coast.
We also have, um,
you know, and I think this is an emerging thing that is becoming more and
more apparent to Canadians as a whole is like
geographically, we are very well situated to certain parts of the world
like Asia that have energy security problems and have their own um,
you know, decarbonizing as decarbonization challenges.
And so,
you know, there's a lot of really good attributes to
this to this part of the world. is it perfect?
No, but, you know, these other jurisdictions also have their own unique challenges as well.
So I think we'll continue to see lots of development here and projects
like ours, the hub and and Heidelberg will further
unlocked future development in this area.
um, you know, why Ambrage in this at the end of the day, um
We're an infrastructure company.
We move 30% percent of the crude oil produced in North America.
We moved 20% of the natural gas consumed in the US.
We're the largest gas utility in North America.
We have a lot of experience building expand,
like large scale capital projects that
have a lot of technical, regulatory, social
challenges with them.
And we understand the importance of doing it right and and and cost effectively.
And so, um, you know, we're bought into energy transition.
We want to be a part of it.
We think it's important.
And um
and this is a really great project to, like
I recall it as a foundational for embridge, both from
from a energy transition perspective, as well as I touched earlier,
also in a social perspective of community acceptance around this indigenous
partnerships, it really is a multifaceted opportunity for us to to participate in.
It's certainly early projects that companies will expect to replicate that further down the road.
So again, back at the Emonton region being that early test bed for these projects
to get them commercial scale examples that then will be useful elsewhere in the world.
Maybe that's certainly maybe from the Heidelberg perspective.
I mean mean Heidelberg doesn't want to be
So so for sure.
you know, it's doing CCS is is just is just a tool to the end, right?
So Heidelberg is on a is on a path to be to be a net zero company, right?
And so we're on a path, you know, for the Edmonton
Project, we're going to be selling CO2 offsets and that sort of stuff to help to
help the business case, but ultimately, as quickly as possible, we're
transitioning to selling high value low carbon building materials.
And so that's where Heidelberg sees itself in the world is
building itself out as the as the low carbon building material supplier
for for spant aggregates and these sorts of things.
So so the Edmonton Project, although interesting is
is just project number two after Brevick and it's and it's the start
of a very long chain of a full decarbonization of our entire portfolio.
And so it's not just CCS.
It's also using supplementary cementaceous materials
doing recycled concrete paste.
You know, there's a whole bunch of irons in the fire that
that Heidelberg has outside of CCS in
order to decarbonize our our end product.
And and to that point, I mean, even in terms of CCS,
so the first projects that are being deployed at world scale are
using post-comustion aiming captured, because that's what's available, and that's
what you can do at this million-ish tons per year type scale.
But we are in the process right now of building a an
oxy fuel system that will be combined with an amine capture
system, and that's going on in Bulgaria right now.
So Heidelberg has a number of activities, um,
you know, not just on the deployment of large scale, what you need to do to get
that experience of operation and compression and storage and all that kind of stuff.
But we're also building out utilization technologies
at the smaller scale to see how those newer newer technologies maybe
can help us reduce the cost of decarbonization for carbon capture.
So we've got a full portfolio worldwide that's all
towards, you know, one goal, which is in essence being decarbonized fully by the year 2050.
Great?
Okay, well, great.
I think we've covered most of my questions.
If there's any other messages that either of you have, you'd like to to get across, but
I think we missed I think it's important maybe to quantify the
the magnitude of of this opportunity.
Um, you know, to date we have five
Commercial carbon capture projects in Canada.
I'd say three large with the definition of
large being kind of a million tons and
and above and then two sub 500
hundred thousand ton projects that that an aggregate add up to
slightly over four million tons of carbon capture installed
capacity operational in Canada today.
This project, you know, has the potential to to
increase that by almost a third.
It's it's a big, it's a big step change.
If this came on tomorrow, it would have a meaningful impact to Canada's, you know, total
carbon emissions reduction relative
to where we're at today as a single project.
Yeah, that's a great great context to provide all these these
very large scale projects in the Edmonton region.
So I want to thank Corwin, thank you, Adam, for participating
on this one and I hope we have a rest of a good successful conference as
well and look forward to hearing more about these projects moving forward.
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