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Flip the Script with Vic is a sacred space for real conversations with real women 🩷 Hosted by Victoria Nielsen—intuitive healer, mama, and space-holder for the divine feminine—this podcast amplifies women’s voices through raw interviews, intimate solocasts, and unfiltered conversations on motherhood, mysticism, psychedelics, ancestral healing, spirituality, identity, and more.
What began as a personal exploration is now a communal prayer: a gathering place for cycle-breakers, mothers, mystics, creatives, witches, and wild ones redefining what it means to be a woman in today’s world.
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Hi, guys.Welcome back to another episode of Flip the Script with Vick.I am so excited today to have Jamie Roth with me.We recorded this episode, and then it- Yes.magically disappeared into the ethers.So, I think we were meant to bring different medicine, different energy, just different conversation to the day.So, I'm so excited you're back, Jamie.Thank you for your patience and for being here.You are so many things.You're a mom, you're a healer, you're a guide, you're a mystic.You're a visionary, truly.And I would love to just know what's on your heart this morning and what has been on your heart maybe for the last couple of weeks?Thank you for having me again.And I was thinking the same thing.I was like, okay, what's the, you know, we always do, what's the meaning?What's the energy behind it?What's the symbolism?And, um, I took it as we were meant to come back together again and just continue to foster our relationship, and I agree with you, probably bring a different conversation than we thought was necessary the first time.So I appreciate you taking the time again.Thank you very much.Of course.Um, what's been on my mind?Oh, boy.A lot of things- You've got itlike, I'm like- Go ahead.Do I stillMm.UmYou know, I feel like things are very, very heavy and dark right now.Um, around the world, not just in the country.We both live in the USA, but around the world.Um, I know that, uh, being United States residents, I'm personally feeling it, um, extra here with everything that's going on, and I don't want to spend a lot of time getting into that.Um, but I do want to say that I do feel strongly that, um, it's really time more than ever for those of us who can, um, to shine the light.And I do want to say, though, that I am not an all love and light healer practitioner.I'm not a spiritual bypasser.Good.Uh, so that's not what I'm referring to.But I do feel very strongly that it is very important to shine the light as much as possible, um, because it's really, really needed for people to find their s- their people and themselves in this darkness.Um- Absolutely.Yeah.And I think, too, you know, we're gonna talk a little bit about your Freedom Era summit that I'm really excited about.I feel like that has a really beautiful tie almost to what's happening in the world.Yes.It'sAnd I feel like until you find your personal freedom, until you find what that means for you, you're gonna continue to get caught in the news cycle.You're gonna ge- continue to get caught in what's happening around you.And of course, it's gonna get really easy, right, to be overwhelmed and to be terrified, maybe, or scared.But whatYou know, as you've stepped into your power and your freedom, A, what does that look like for you?But B, what could that look like for someone else that maybe is so far from this idea of freedom that it feels out of reach for them?Mm-hmm.Well, the Freedom Era summit is, um, special to women and it is the idea of women who are gonna, um, shake old roles, old narratives, um, outdated, um, again, roles and narratives that are no longer serving them, and maybe never even did.You know, maybe they were placed upon them, upon us, uh, like nurturer, caregiver.Um, common themes for women that we're just supposed to be because we're female, and that's being female.And that's not necessarily incorrect, but that doesn't mean it's correct for every female.Um, and it'sI do think that women are waking up to the freedom of, but well, who am I?Who am I internally?What's my inner guidance?What's actually my morals and my value system that I want to lead life by?So that's what freedom means to me, is to embody your authenticity, not just on the inside, not just what you think, but to embody it, that it's a form of expression in how you live.Like, people around you know.They know exactly who you are.They know exactly what you're about.There's no question about it because you just live it wholly and you do it without fear.Um, particularly the fear of cons- consequences.I'm not saying you just do whatever you want, eh, eh, m- and you're, you're harmful to other people, obviously.There are consequences to that.But I mean instead of worrying about if people are gonna like you or not, um, they're gonna accept you or not, or how it's gonna affect them, you don't worry as much about that.And instead, you say, but this is my truth, and I know that I'm embodying love.I'm embodying confidence.And, um, so those who can meet me there will.Yeah.Absolutely.And IIt's interesting.I was having this conversation with a friend yesterday that that unlearning takes a little bit, but also can be really scary, because then now you're putting yourself out there as you.Yes.And you're like, oh gosh, are people gonna- Yes.like this?Or how are they gonna react to this?But it's so important, I think, to discover what your values are, because I know as part of my spiritual journey, I don't think I had any for a while.Mm-hmm.I just had what society had told me, you know, what was around me, and I actually had a coach once ask me, like, "What are those values?Or what are those things that you stand for that maybe are a little bit edgy or are different?"Yes.Yes.I didn't have an answer, Jamie.I literally was like, "I don't, I don't know."Mm-hmm.And it's only within the last couple of years that I have started to realize that I stand on these values of, you know, women really owning their sexuality.Owning themselves.Owning their energy.Also really standing on this value of the fact that, you know, uhfeminism in society, I think, is skewed completely a different way than what feminism actually is.But it's, like, scary to admit maybe that you think these things- Right.or that you're valuing these things that you didn't before because it can feel like a complete 180.Yeah.Did that happen to you?I feel like you've been very grounded in who you are for a very long time.I have, and I wanna say 2 things.Um, one is, was you were talking, I was reminded about how often women apologize for themselves.I just got a cold chills.Always sorry for everything, but listen, I hadI've known that for years 'cause I have people come into my healing studio, you can see behind me, and almost the first thing first cla- time clients with me do is apologize."I'm sorry I'm late.I'm sorry I'm sitting here.Um, I'm sorry I'm crying.I'm sorry I'm saying the things that I'm saying."Like, apology, apology, apology.But I had an esthetician come in the other day and she rem- she was like, "Yeah, you know, as I work with women, they come and the first thing they do is apologize.I'm sorry I have this blemish here.I'm sorry I have this stretch mark here."And while- Sorry's not perfect.Yes.And ILike, I've known women apologize for years, it's a big thing, but I didn't think about how specific it could get in the different arenas out in the world.So if you're an esthetician, you're getting apologies for how you look.I was just like, "Wow."Um, so yeah, that's women not knowing themselves and feeling afraid to be who they are because of how it's going to affect other people.Yep.Um, that's one thing that comes up enough.And then as far as me being grounded in myself, that started when I was 18 and I just had a flip that switched, a script that flipped.Um, I don't recall, like, what really made that happen, but I do know that, um, it did and it took me into this space where I was tired of being railroaded.I was tired of people, um, being too good and being kind and being sort of people pleasing and just always putting other people's needs first.And I was just always a sweet child, I was a sweet teenager, I was kind and compassionate.I'm still those things, um, but I think I was that to a degree that people felt like they could take advantage of it.And so when I flipped that script, it looked like I am woman, hear me roar.Like, I literally had a moment where I thought, "I'm not tolerating this bullshit anymore.I am woman, hear me roar."And I called my best friend and I said that to her and I laugh about it to this day 'cause it sounds so cliche and I think it'sIt kinda just sounds funny.I love it though .And I was only 18, so I'm not even sure, like, how I knew that or where I got that from.But I did flip the script after that and, you know, it took time and practice.That is one thing I wanna say that was the other thing you were touching on is it takes time and it takes practice because you can step into your freedom era, you can step into this new version, but you're still gonna have the old narratives running that you have to rewire.You're still gonna have your nervous system reacting and responding that you're going to have to, you know, rewire.Uh, you're gonna have to employ somatic practices, breathing practices, you know, work with healers such as us to help guide you, um, because it takes practice to rewire everything that's going on to truly feel safe to embody the newer version of yourself.Absolutely, and it can actually get worse before it gets better.Yes.You know, I think people maybe dip their toe in the water and then it's the change, right?Yes.It's that exactIt's the good girl mentality of, "I'm gonna affect everyone around me, I don't wanna do that."Yes.Actually, you know what?I wanna flip that and say, what if you're doing a disservice to your family, to your friends, to your community by not?By not.Yes.You know?Like, actually you'reIt's way worse for you to be this quiet wallflower that's not expressing her opinion- Yes.not sharing her truth- Yes.because then A, you're perpetuating that cycle, right?You're showing maybe your kids, your neighbors, your family, um, that you don't believe in yourself.So why should they?Right.Um, and it's gotta be from you first.I truly believe as like the, the matriarch of our families, right, whether or not you have a, a male partner or a female partner, whatever it is, there is still that female and male energy- Yes.or that is inOr feminine and masculine I should say, energy that is in every dynamic.And we carry that energy within each of us.Right.But I truly believe when we step into that, like, matriarch energy as a woman- Yes.it is so different.Yes.And it's from love, right?It's from love.It's not this bitchy like, "Oh, listen to me, don't listen to anyone else."Mm-hmm.It's a very grounded, like, peaceful-presence that's like, "I'm not gonna tolerate the bullshit."Yep."You know, I'm not gonna do this."But it's a very different feeling for women because if you are like me anyway, I'm used to the chaos.So, like, that grounded feeling felt really weird.Yeah.Like, it felt really weird at first.Yeah.And, you know, do you have more women coming to you nowWe were talking about kinda the women coming online right now, like, my spiritual awakening was in 2020 and it's been over 5 years and I've left my corporate job and all the things.Do you see another wave of kind of women awakening right now?I do.Or is it still a wave from before?No, I do.And it's been very distinctly in the past few years, um, and, um, it's been pretty amazing and powerful.The challenge I'm seeing is everything that we're talking about, but also one of the number one comments I get is one, "I don't know who I am."And so they come sort of bewildered and like, "What do I do with this?"'Cause they're- I call them the pretend confused.Yes.You know, and they're just like, "Uh"I mean, I have women just sit in front of me and the beginning conversation is, "I'm not even sure why I'm here, but I was pulled here, and I don't know who I, but I think I don't know who I am and I don't know what to do with that."And I'm like, "Great.I love it.That's a beautiful starting point for, withLike, I got you, let's do this."Um, but the other thing is that women are so afraid of how it's gonna affect others around them, which again is that old traditional, um, dialogue that women have that we're always supposed to be in support of others and we're always supposed to put ourself aside for others.So when I was creating the Freedom Era Summit and I was reaching out to my people to say, you know, "What do you need and what, what, what would fill, fill you up and help you?And what scares you about stepping into your personal authentic freedom?"One of the number one things I got was, "How is it gonna affect other people around me if I change?How is my spouse, how are my kids, how are my coworkers, you know, how is my family going to be affected?And will they be okay with it and with that change?"And it wasn't surprising, but at the same time it was a little astounding because again, it just goes to show that wim- we as women are pretty much taught from birth on that we are here for others always first.Yep.Oh, we have full body chills.That's- Yeah.And, and yes, we are meant to nurture.Yes.We've got to nurture ourselves first.Yes.That we're giving from that overflow cup instead of- Yes.um, already our depleted selves.And you know, we think maybe at first that we don't'Cause the other part of that, the double edge, not double edge, but I guess the flip of the coin would be, okay, I start to try and make these changes, but then no one listens to me.Yeah.Or no one changes, right?Yes.But you have that power.And to your point of rewriting those stories, you have to start proving it to yourself- Yes.every day.Yes.And it does take time, you know- It does.my husband and I have been together for, it'll be 10 years married in October, and we, I feel like every single day are learning and growing, but recently within the last year, it's because of the changes I have made in my energy to say, "I'm stepping into the matriarch.I'm stepping into my freedom era.I'm stepping into this woman I'm meant to be."And actually when we do that as women, we raise everyone around us.We really do.You know?And I don't know, why are we so afraid of our power, Jamie?Please.I don't know, but you know, that's such a valid point is like we're trying to raise everybody up through the ways we think we're supposed to, that we're trained to do, when really it's just a natural magic.It's a natural essence.We just emanate it and we raise people up around us.Um, I mean, I think we know, don't we really know why?You know, colonialization, patriarchy- I think like-capitaliz- say capital- um, capitalism.I think we really know why women are afraid to be in their power.No, we, we do.It's really true.And- The witch wound.I mean, I, I think we know.You know, it's, it's true and I think it's women like us that are starting to rewrite that story by- Mm-hmm.by showing the example, right?By living- Yes.that truth.Embodiment is such a buzzword, right?In our space.Yes.What does it mean to you?Because I, I do remember in our kind of first conversation, it was important for us to share that, that time piece, right?That everyone wants to be embodied like immediately- Yes.but actually it's not until you integrate all the lessons that you're gonna be embodied.Yes.Yes, yes.Um, to me, embodied means I think just kind of what I said earlier, just what is going on on the inside, your actual, like truths and thoughts showing on the outside and that can look like anything.So for me, in online spaces, I'm a very simple woman in the sense that I don't adorn myself with much particularly, like makeup and stuff.I think it can be such creativity and artistry and women that just do great things with makeup.I admire that and I love that.Um, it's just not where I want to spend my time and effort.So I show up like this and I tend to have dark circles or- You are so beautiful.I agree.Thank you.Uh, that's my point is I embody that, that this is who I am and I'm comfortable in who I am.Um, and that again, that's not to say women who wear makeup are not, but that's my point.We each get to choose like how we dress, what we wear, what we speak on, um, and be okay that it will be accepted by some and it will absolutely not be accepted by others.And to that note, pertaining to what we've been talking about, you will lose people.You will lose people.You will.And that's part of embodiment.That's true embodiment is accepting that not everybody is for me, particularly when you thought it was like long-term relationships and realizing that, you know what?Even those people weren't meant to be forever.They were all a season.I didn't realize it, but they were a season as well.Absolutely.I think it's- Um, what do you think embodiment is?No, I think that's exactlyIt's, for me, it's walking the walk.Yeah.It's okay, you've discovered maybe that you have these different values than what you thought.How do you start implementing them in your everyday- Yes.so that they just become a part of you?Yeah.And that they become a- a known part of your energy- Yes.and they aren't separate from you?Yes.Um, and that takes a lot of somatic work.That takes a lot of- Yes.movement, and moving- Yes.old energy out of the body.Women carry so much grief.Yeah.I wish that they had told me this.I know.You know?And especially as moms, I think we carry so much grief, not just our own, the grief for our kids, for, um, maybe kids that didn't happen, society as a whole.I- I don't think I realize, as women, how much we process grief.And actually, we are s- we're meant to, right?Our womb- Yes.spaces every 28 days, we are alchemizing everything that we are experiencing- Yes.as part of our bodily functions.Yes.Um, so to me, it's leaning into that, and leaning into our natural cycles, right, which I know you absolutely embody, um, and teach many of- of your clients about as well.I do.And I think that's a great example of embodiment, is getting to know your cycle through the month, um, whether you bleed or you don't.Um, in fact, interestingly, I have a presenter on the summit named, um, Kiana Hines, and she's talking about womb health and about why women, all women don't bleed, and she actually gives a very unique perspective that bleeding may notBleeding monthly may not be as normal as we think it is.Okay.That bleeding usually happens when people are wounded.Mm-hmm.You bleed when you have a wound.And so, why are women always bleeding?Is- is it really unhealthy?Anyways, it's a very fascinating and- No, I'm like, "Oh my God, I wanna go watch."just a total flip-the-script type of presentation.Like, it's kindaI mean, it really makes you think.But she also talks about how out of sync and out of whack, like, you know, young girls, so young, 8, 9, starting to bleed and getting their cycle, and, um, how wonky things have got with women.But back to the embodiment, when we embody ourselves as women, we embody the flow of the cycle, regardless of necessarily the bleeding part.That can be important, but, uh, how you feel sexually, knowing your flow of when you really desire intimacy, when you don't, when you're more in your fall and winter season, when you're internal and you don't necessarily wanna be touched.My husband has had to figure that out.He has had to learn how to, as a man holding, as a masculine holding true depth for his feminine woman, he has had to learn to understand my cycle not from the capitalistic gross perspective of, "Oh, she's just on the rag.She's being a bitch."Like, I do not tolerate that in my household.He's not like that anyways.But just, like, okay, like, he listens to my cues when I get a li- maybe a little more snappy, or I just, all of a sudden, he knows I'm recoiling from touch.He's like, "Oh, she's in her this phase, you know?She's ready to just be backed off from."But your energy flows differently.I know you know that.I've heard you talk about it on your different podcasts and your Instagram and stuff, that I'm- yo- when you build something, you go strong into certain phases of creativity for your business enmeshed with your cycle.Yep.Um, you know, like, so that's a, that's a purist probably form of embodiment for the female can do, is understanding how you feel mentally, physically, sexually, creativitally- creativitally, energetically, and it's based on your cycle.That's probably one of the strongest things I've ever done for myself, is figure out my cycle.Would you agree?Oh, absolutely.And to realize that we're not meant to work in 24-hour cycles like men.Mm-mm.That actually, that's what burns us out.Mm-mm.Um, is doing- to try and be little men, you know?Yes.Instead of being grown women- Yes.we're trying to be little men.The grind.And I'm not saying we never grind.Like, I've been in a grind a little bit currently here and there with the Freedom heiress, you know, summit, because creating canYou know, it takes effort to create something to put out into the world.But women are not meant to be on the grind all the time.No, not at all.And I think our cycles of creativity flow- Yes.our cycles of, uh, sexuality flow.Everything is- is cyclical- Yes.for women, and that is not- Yes.the case for men.And I think the more that we can figure out what our own is- Mm-hmm.then we're gonna stop listening to the, the chatter out there of like, "Oh, she's crazy.""She's messing."And- Yes.I mean, I truly believe actually that PMS symptoms are just, like, repressed energy that you didn't process- Yep, I do too.from your cycle, you know?I do too.That when you experience cramps, like- Yep.you went through some shit the last 28 days, you know?And on, on the same token, um, I believe that perimenopause and menopause, when they are extreme, are an indication of repressed and unhealed, uh, trauma, or where you hold your voice back, because m- I'm in perimenopause, I'm 48, and I'm moving into that menopausal crone era, and I can tell you for certainty, likeI mean, I kinda reached this at 18, but that's just me.I tend to be way ahead of my, um, you know, age.But there still is even another difference, and the difference I'm seeing in women in my age where they're coming into their "I don't give a fuck" era.My give a damn is busted and they want to speak up and speak their truth, but the harder the symptoms, I do personally believe that it has to do with where there's unhealed traumas, repressed voice, um, things like that showing up.Same with PMS, just on a grander, bigger scale.Absolutely.Thank you for saying that because I really don't feel like we have a good example of an embodied crone- Yeah.in society.Yeah.I feel like we've beenYou know, she's always ostracized.She's the witch- Yeah.she's crazy.Yeah.You know?And I think it's hard for this generation of women that are now going through perimenopause and menopause because you didn't have the example to show you- Right.what an embodied version of that looks like, so you're trying to figure it out for yourself.Right.And I would love to talk a little bit more, kind of about that, like mother made in crone energy and-how so many of us are living in the wounded aspects of it.Mm-hmm.And I don't think I even realized I was untilYou know, wounded mothers, uh, that's the one, the trope, I think, that you see most often, right?Like, uhOh my God, what is that movie?Um, no more wire hangers.Uhnot sure.I'm not much of a movie watcher.Mommy Dearest.Okay.There it goes.I'm like, "What is this?"Oh, I haven't watched that in a long time.Yeah, exactly.It's very old.Um, but, but like that energy, you know, is what you see in Society of Mom.Yeah.That kind of like very, uh, wounded mother.Yes.We see wounded crone- Yes.and we see wounded maiden in, in women that have too many ideas and aren't grounded enough in, in who they are to actually go forward and bring them into fruition.If you were to, mm, maybe heal, uh, one thing in your kind of wounded crone aspect, what would it be?Or what do you think maybe women as a whole could, um, work on healing as they're stepping into kind of that, that crone era?Well, let me first say one of the things that I think is a big problem and why we're all fucking wounded is because we don't have elders.Yeah.We don't have elders.We don't live in the ancestral ways anymore.In some of my deepest meditations, including with the use of psychedelic mushrooms, um, with or without, um, I was shown that wounding of not having the ancestral ways and the elders, which I think you and I, I think we both stand on that and are trying to help bring women back to those spaces of our ancestral ways.And let me just note that your ancestral way is w- like you need to do some research on your lineages, um, because you have them, whether you're a white person, you know, you're a person of color, and you need to, you know, do some research and find what were, like, the original ways.But what I can tell you, for sure, with women, all women, doesn't matter, uh, you know, um, where you come from in the world, what your skin color is or ethnicity, none of that, is we always used to dance and sing and come together and honor the elements, honor the moon, uh, be in our intuition, and the elder women, the crones used to share that wisdom down.So for example, did you know that belly dancing, the origins is actuallyIt's not a sexual thing.It's not a sexualized thing.It is not for male gaze at all.The original origin- It doesn't surprise me.No.Eh, yeah, exactly.The original origins of belly dancing is for birthing women.Wait.It's that shaking, uh, squatting.And women used to go, grandmothers and mothers used to take their young daughter or their young girls.Like, you learn it from a young age, but then as you're very pregnant and you're coming to birthing, you're, you're doing these movements with your mom and your grandma.Yes, look it up.It's a real thing.It was never- Well, like if I had to do that in-for male, for male-in the birthing room, I mean, I had to have- Yes.assistant, but, like, that would have been so cool.Yes.It was never meant for the male gaze.It was women passing along knowledge of the body, of the cycle, of the birth experience.And so anyways, one of the deepest meditations I had that actually I tapped into a wound was that wound where I don't have elders, I don't have elders.I don't know stories.Like, uh, that's not passed down in my family.But I have a good friend who has a grandma that shares all kinds of stories and my friend has always known the importance of that.She's written them down, recipes.That's what weWe don't have that anymore, so we don't know.We don't know anything about how we used to be, how we used to honor the elements, um, and so I think that's a big part of the wound.Um, and I think a big part of the crone wound that you asked about is, 1, we don't have an elder showing us the way, so we move into it like, "Well, now what?"And 2, society is just so different from past ancestral ways that we get here, and quite frankly, older women become unimportant.We get sort of s- kicked to the side and like, "Well, you're no longer attractive."And the wound also is about we're supposed to look a certain way.We're not allowed to just age how we age.We're supposed to stop the wrinkles.We're supposed to do all theseWe're not supposed to have the gray or, you know, and I love it.I have a silver streak that's under my hair that I've been dying to figure out how to get it on the top.Why-isn't it here?I want it right here, this like cool ass streak.They have them under and I freaking love them so much.I always said my color- They're perfect.was gonna come in when my gray hair started to come in.So I don't color mine either.I only have a couple, but they're there.Yes.This goes back to embodying every th- uh, our whole conversation.This is what embodiment looks like is like I love it.And if you don't, you don't want gray hair and your form of embodiment is to color it, gotta speed, go for it.That's up to you.But don't do it 'cause others told you to, don't do it because society expects it of it, of you, you do it because that's how it makes you feel best.That's what you want to represent and present.I don't know if you've seen, but Pamela Anderson these days, have you noticed her jam?jam.Okay.So she went from male gaze woman, right?What was the show?Um, Baywatch.Right?I mean, it was all about how she looked, her body, her face, makeup.She goes makeup less everywhere now.Yep.Totally makeup less.All her interviews, the red carpet, and she's come out and she's like, you know what?'Cause she's in her crone era.She's a good example.She's a positive- You know what?example currently, a crone era woman who's like, "You know what?This is actually who I am and I freaking love it."Thank you for saying that, because I keep saying we don't have examples, but you're right.She is a living example of someone that's really embodying that.And the, the generational piece, uh, really speaks to me 'cause I grew up with 4 generations under one roof.So my great-grandmother, my grandparents- Nice.mom, and I.I didn't realize how cool that was until years later.Yes.So cool.But I wish I had asked my great-grandmother more of her, like, bruja stuff- Yes.because my grandmother doesn't talk about it.Yeah.My mom shares it, but she shares what she remembers and it's not as, you know, uh, straight from the source- Yeah.as it could be for us.Right.Not as alive with the magic of it.Exactly.But I will say, I think when we do this work, we know this, right?It, it7 generations forward and back, that it's helping.I have seen the differences in my mom now that I've started this work, and her curiosity for wanting to break these generational curses and be better.Yep.And even my grandmother who is very, um, I would say like Christian, you know, kind of the other side of it, has asked me to read her oracle cards.Oh, I love that.The day that that happened, Jamie, I was like, "Oh."Okay.Well, you know what?I will read your oracle cards.Yeah.But like, these things that you don't have, it kind of goes back to, right, that embodiment and the, the rising of the matriarch in the family, like people are watching you.Yeah.And they are noticing, and you are making subtle ripples and differences in your family just by showing up differently.Just by you exploring your own spirituality.Yes.Your own personal journey, your own heroine's journey essentially.Every woman goes through their own heroine's journey that's very different than the hero's journey.I don't know if you've ever read that book.Mm-hmm.Um, called The Heroine's Journey, but- I have not.it shows how we, we have a very different journey.We kind of have to go down into the underworld and descend into the feminine, um, and kind of come back up and go on our way.Uh, and we really talk about that.Can I, can I share, um, that I had, um, um, I worked with somebody and they led a goddess into the cave, uh, meditation, and it was where we went into the underworld and we met different parts of yourself as different goddesses, like Demeter, um, I can't remember what- Cerberus.Lilith.Yeah.There was a couple, like some of them more well-known, but like really potent ones that bring out really potent energy.Um, and it was really powerful.So you're so right.We have to go into the underworld, and I had never thought about that.That all you hear about in society, like in English classes and stuff, is the hero's journey.Like you just lit something up in me.I had never thought about that piece, that there's not a bunch of stuff- Bishe Feeney Thank you.on the hero when journey.What?I was gonna say, Bishe Feeney, the guest last week, she was the one that taught me that, and ISame thing.I was like, "What?Wait a second."I am literally having a mind-blown moment of connecting so many pieces to everything we're talking about, quite frankly, which, uh, I don't know if we've worded it like this, but the oppression and suppression of women and our lineages and our ancient knowledge and our intuition, um, because that is what has happened in colonization and capitalization and all that kind of stuff.Um, so that's a big part of where the wounding comes from as well, is we're told to play small and to be quiet and not shine in our weirdness.And one other thing I wanna say about the crone- You're so weird.just 'cause l, it's really fun, is, you know, there is this aspect of society in general, like nobody wants to the male gaze, right?But there's also a beauty in that.There is a freedom.I'm not saying that women really want that to continue.Actually, there's a freedom of people, men are leaving us alone, like the creepy predator type of men.Like the dog whistling are leaving us alone, and that's actually beautiful.That's actually very freeing.Um, and, um, but we don't wanna be seen as irrelevant.That's where it's painful.That's where it doesn't feel good.Where it's like we're washed up, dried up, when again, crones have the wisdom.That's the crone era, is sharing your lived experience, sharing your wisdom.That's the crone era.And so we are not washed up.We are meant to con- you know, share at this point.Yeah.And be, I mean, be our juicy selves.Because if we're really in our power, then we're, we're not dry.We're juiced up.We're excited about life, you know?And we'reI think the patriarchy should be afraid of us- Yes.that are all coming online and remembering.Yes, I agree.Um, because also too, I think our values are different in the sense that like, I wanna share these gifts and I want to get better and heal the world because.And if money bec- you know, comes after that, amazing.Yeah.Yeah.But it's not about the money.Yes.And I think that that's where a lot of spiritual entrepreneurs, I think it really tripped up.And I did too when I first kind of started working in this space, is going after the money, right?Or going after- Yeah.the very like masculine aspect, but- Right.that's the opposite.Yeah.The money will come once you embody the feminine.Once you embody who you're meant to be.And quit being a, um, you know, a mimicry of everyone else.Right.Um, you know, I would, I would love before we get out of here for you to just- Yeah.share a little bit about the Freedom Era Summit, when it is, how folks can join.Um, because I think it would be really, really impactful for all of my listeners to come join you for this virtual summit.Because you have such amazing speakers, such amazing topics, and yeah, now, now is the time.Like Okay, let's share it.I appreciate you giving me the opportunity.Um, so it really is exactly what you just said, that, um, it's about creating this ripple effect.And in fact, it is actually a free summit.It is 3 days, September 26th, 27th, and 28th.It's called the Freedom Era Summit, and it is about everything we just talked about.It is about women, s- you know, it's, it's meant to be an immersive healing experience, so there's these videos.But I asked each of my presenters to make sure that they provided actionable steps.And each video is actually fairly short, between 30 minutes and an hour, because people's attention spans these days are short.And I wanted women to just get in there and be able to like, have aha moments like we've had here today and have things light up and go, "Oh."But then also have actionable steps.So each of the presenters usually has provided, you know, "Okay, here's something you can do with this.Here's something you can think about."You know, "Try this aspect, journal this, go forward."Um, but it is everything that we're talking about today.It's about women, um, w- finding their own spirits, their own authenticity, and stepping into that.That's the freedom era.And freedom looks different for everybody.Um, there is, you spoke on grief a little bit earlier, and there is, I do have, um, Rahila Hamid who's coming in and she's speaking on grief.And one of the things about grief is, as a society, we're very good about allowing people to grieve if someone has physically died.That's the only form of grief that people tend to be comfortable with.And even that is pretty short lived.Right?I was like, I feel like there's a time limit and then you're- Yes.like, be over it, time to move on.It's actually 2 weeks.I've studied it.I've studied it just when people around me have someone die or someone around me has died.How long do people kind of stay tapped into you?It's 2 weeks, I'm telling you.I have studied it, and that's not even everyone.That, most people fall off within 2 weeks, but you got your most loyal folks around for 2 weeks, and then they're like, "Let's move on."Um, yes.Mm-hmm.And you wonder why we're broken and designed.Yes.Yes.And, and, and the, the, we don't even have really that great of rituals surrounding death.We have something kind of depending on, well, particularly if you're like Christian, there's something.But if you're not, if you have more secular beliefs, there's not a lot of even ritual around that, but another side story.Um, but anyways, so she talks, Rahila comes on and talks about grieving identity changes because we do.And we grieve when we lose relationships from these identity changes.You can grieve because you thought you were someone and realized you weren't.Some people feel like they wasted time being someone else.And rarely is it a waste of time, but there are people who, women who feel like that.And it's worthy to talk about grieving in a much bigger form because we're always grieving something, always.We are.We're always.Something is alwaysI say this.AnythingSomething is always birthing and dying in us.Yes.Yep.At every single moment of every time.Yep.And I thought something was like broken in me- Yes.when I had this overflowing grief after having kids.And part of it, yes, is your postpartum hormones- Yes.and like all of that stuff.But I felt like opening that portal of birth opened that grief portal within me- Yes.and finally opened the floodgates of like, okay, you're not even crying just for you, but like for your ancestors- Yes.for your lineage.Yes.Like- Yes.Not for the faint of heart.Yes.And you can grieve like now you're a mom and you weren't anymore.And that's wrapped up in a lot of things, of course.You know, you're no longer independent.You are a part of, you know, someone is a part of you now.Um, I have a speaker on Strong is Free, um, Leisha A- Ames, and it's aboutShe is a physical fitness instructor and she can be pretty specific about eat this many macros and these nutrients and t- get this many type of reps in.She is that.But she also understands the beauty of just movement and how important it is.And she talks more about how you can be strong at any age, yes, physically, but also mentally, emotionally.So she offers a really beautiful interview, um, about Strong is Free at any age and embodying that.Um, so my summit is based on a mind, body, spirit day because we have to encompass all 3 to really truly heal and step into our freedom era, whatever it is that is that we're looking for.So mind day is really gonna be working on, you know, what is it like to rewire your mind, have someone speaking on gratitude.I know you gotta get down with that.I mean, we know as energy workers the importance of gratitude.Um-And then, you know, body, and there's more obviously, and then body day, uh, is about being strong is free.There's multiple things going on there.The womb healer, Kiana brought up, and then there is a spirit day.Um, I have someone coming speaking on shadow work, Tessa Francis.I have someone, um, coming in about the mother wound and spirit guides and combining the 2 to heal the mother wound.So that's kind of interesting.That's an interesting take on it, um, healing that mother wound.So it is free to sign up.There is, of course, an upgrade VIP pass that will give you ongoing access because with the free ticket you get 48 hours of access to all the videos.Um, but with the upgrade ticket, a lot of the presenters put in bonuses and there's almost $400 in bonuses actually.So different digital products, a month of, uh, one of their spiritual circles, um, all those kinds of great stuff.And I'll be speaking live each day, and one person I want to, um, give a shout-out to is Toni Jones.Are you familiar with Toni Jones?She's a global affirmation artist.She speaks affirmation music.Oh wait, okay wait, wait.Does she have like an album on Spotify?She has multiple.Okay, then maybe I'll- Toni Jones, yes.look at those.One of my very favorite songs of hers is Worth Ethic.Worth Ethic.And it's all about flipping.Instead of work ethic, it's all about reframing know I create, especially for us like entrepreneurs and stuff, or anyone that creates anything in life, which is everyone, you work from your worth ethic.That's a beautiful song.I'll text it to you later.I'm going to have to put it in the show notes now.I'm like, "Oh, give them out."Yeah, Toni does- She's going to be doing a live voice activation onSo my summit is Friday, Saturday, Sunday, um, 26th, 27th, and 28th, um, 2:30 PM Eastern Time.She's going to be doing a live voice activation because that's her jam, right?Op- helping us open up our throat chakra, which you and I both know is a huge important part of embodiment, being able to speak your truth, whether that's writing it, singing it, actually vocalizing it.Um, and so- I think it'll be really cool.it's just meant to create a ripple effect of rising women up into their sovereignty, into their truth, breaking down walls and barriers that they've had all this time, and allowing them to become free and embody their authenticity.So I'm very, very excited about it.It's been a long, a long journey in the making, so I'm glad it's finally here.I am too.So many women are going to benefit from this.Yes, thank you.And they should go to intuitiveencounters.com.Intuitive encoun- Yeah, intuitiveencounters.com.It's /freedomera, but if you just go to intuitiveencounters.com, which is my website, you'll see the link to, uh, the tab to Freedom Era Summit.Um, so yeah.Yay!And as of this episode coming out, Freedom Era Summit will be this weekend.So- Thank you.please, please, please sign up.All the information for Jamie and her amazing presenters and summit will be in the show notes.But thank you so much, Jamie.I'm so glad that we re-recorded this conversation.We did this.Yeah.No, this, I mean, is just as potent as the first 1 Yes.but different.And I feel like it- Agreed.more, you know, it's needed.Yes.Any last things you want to share with everyone before we say goodbye?No, but I just want to thank you again for taking the time again.I know we're all busy women, but it's women connecting and taking that time, even if it's a little inconvenient to rateLike you and I are embodying the essence of the Freedom Era Summit and of just our work in general that we're putting out to the world.So I thank you for what you're doing for women and I appreciate your time with me again, and I've enjoyed it.Yay.Thanks so much, Jamie.Thank you.Thank you everyone for being here.Be good to one another.I'll see you next week.