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Hey Padel enthusiasts welcome to Padel Smash Academy, I am Cesc and I am here with Julian and we're all about Padel! Whether you're new to the sport or an experienced player, you've come to the right place. Our goal is to provide you with the best tips & tricks, news, and weekly lessons to help you improve your game and take your Padel to the next level. So grab your Padel Racket and let's get started with all things Padel on Padel Smash Academy.
Hey, Julian says here and today we
have Kari Gunnerson, the Visionary,
the Brains Behi behind one of the most
innovative AI cameras in the Padel world.
Clutch.
Alright, great.
Thank, thanks for coming on the show.
Why don't you talk a little bit
about yourself and, and how you
came up with this camera thing and
is it, was it specific or Padel
or was it for a different sport?
Uh, yes.
Thank you so much for having me.
Um.
Uh, so our background is, and
my background is I started out
playing, uh, professional badminton.
Uh, so I come from another racket sport.
Uh, and we started out, uh, in COVID.
So when, uh, COVID hit and, you know,
we couldn't play anymore, we started,
uh, developing, uh, AI for badminton.
Um, that was our origin story was.
Uh, kind of, you know, wanting to automate
the analysis that we were doing with our
coaches, uh, at a professional level.
So, uh, you know, we were
spending hours and hours trying to
figure out like a game strategy.
And, um, so where was that
you playing badminton?
Where, where, where was that,
where are you originally from?
So, I'm originally from Iceland.
Um, I grew up in Copenhagen, in Denmark.
Uh, but I was playing badminton
internationally, so I, oh.
Uh, I was playing the World Tour.
I was, uh, around 100 in the world
when COVID started in men's singles.
Uh, and, um, yeah, I was training
in, in Spain with a Spanish
national team for a year.
So that's when I, I, uh, I'm
based in, in Spain still.
Um, and uh, yeah, I was playing, you
know, on all continents in badminton.
So how'd you get introduced to Padel?
Um.
You know, I think it was some,
uh, friends in badminton that
started playing a lot of Padel.
Um, and at first I was, I remember I saw
it in, in Marbella, uh, in like 2021.
Uh, we were doing a, an Olympic
training camp for one of, uh, one
of my good friends who was playing
the Olympics in, in Paris in, in 21.
Uh, and we went to, uh, one of
the Padel clubs in Marvea, and
I was like, this is so strange.
Like, what are people doing here?
Why don't they just either
play badminton or tennis?
Uh, but, uh, you know,
like I got hooked as well.
Uh, started playing more and more.
Uh, and we had started developing the AI
for, for badminton and onboarded some of
the, you know, top, uh, national teams in
the world, uh, to use our, uh, software.
Um, and we wanted to create something
impactful for regular players as well.
And, um, really building on a vision
that, uh, camera technology will
become an integral part on any court.
So same as you have lights on a
court, you'll have cameras that.
Provide some sort of value.
Um, I mean, it's almost there.
I mean, you see in, in most of the clubs.
Yeah.
It's starting to, uh, to be there.
So now there's different brands.
What, what, what sets clutch apart?
You know, uh, yeah,
that's a good question.
So we, uh, um, I mean, first of all,
our AI is, is, uh, pretty powerful.
So we have, uh, algorithms that, uh, you
know, track player movement shots, um.
You know, and, and detailed, uh,
um, variables around shots like the
trajectories, whether you're making
winners or errors, uh, that kind of stuff.
So you can do actual analysis.
How do you determine that?
Do you guys do then as a proprietary?
Um.
It's, uh, well, it's, it's, uh, you
know, our development, uh, we don't
have, you know, uh, patents on it, but
it's like, uh, you know, technology
at the end of the day, anyone can,
your recipe is, is our recipe.
Yeah.
Um, and, um, what sets us apart
as well is, you know, we, uh, we
are building a, a, you know, a
very integrated user experience.
So we, um, can integrate
with booking systems.
We can, uh, also just.
You know, create a very seamless
experience for the players from, you
know, scanning a QR code or making
a booking to immediately after
their game, getting, uh, content.
So automated highlights great.
And, uh, and game insights.
Uh, so our AI is tracking the game
in real time, uh, which is also, uh,
you know, a, a technological feat.
Uh, you know, it, uh, requires, um.
Some, uh, high performing infrastructure,
uh, behind the camera to actually
deliver that experience from, you know,
playing your 90 minutes and then walking
off court and opening your phone and,
and having, uh, a highlight ready?
So, so you're saying that.
We can go and play.
Right.
And we, afterwards, we can have an
option of acquiring a highlight mm-hmm.
Of our game.
Mm-hmm.
That's amazing.
I mean, that's, that's what
everybody think wants Yeah.
You know, um, that, that is really cool.
Right?
Yeah.
So, but let me ask one thing
from, from the coaching aspect.
Would I be able to do with a camera,
see how many enforcers, uh, my student
did, or my player did, or how many
winners or how many you did, you
know, we're playing, which is a lot.
Yeah.
Usually when I play with him, here you go.
He thinks that, you know, I make
up more enforcers than he does.
A hundred percent, but
yes, a hundred percent.
But it's never the case.
No, no, no.
And that's actually one of the key
things that we want to provide is,
you know, like, we definitely need it.
We need it, we gotta check it out.
You're in a different
dimension, my friend.
We, we want to, uh, we want to
support the, the onco banter
that you always have, like.
You know, you always wanna blame your
partner for making the most mistakes.
That's what he does.
Yeah.
That's not true.
But he doesn't have any
objective data to back it up.
Right, right.
And that's what we wanna give you.
Uh, that's, that's amazing.
So he gives you, um, it gives
you enforcers, winners, uh,
does it give you what else?
How many forehands, how many
backhands, uh, big words when they
has I got, I got a, a good question.
This is more of a coach, and I think
this could help you out too, is, is
when you're coaching, maybe it could.
Show a recap of the player
of how he's playing now.
Mm-hmm.
And then, you know.
Let's say five or eight, like,
uh, lessons in, he can have
another recap of his improvement.
Mm-hmm.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So what the AI does, that's good.
Cool man.
I love it.
I love that it doesn't happen that often.
That brilliant sparks fly.
He's all showing no go.
So.
Yeah.
What the AI does with the video
is basically just, you know, it
analyzes every frame of the video.
So there are 30 frames per second,
so, you know, over 90 minutes.
That's a lot of frames.
Yeah.
And then, uh, saying, uh, every time, uh,
Julian does a shot, this is, it labels
it like this is Julian doing a shot.
This is an overhead shot.
He's standing and in
this position on court.
Um, and from that we can.
Uh, you know, generate data and analysis,
but also, for instance, highlight.
So if you're a coach and you wanna see
is Julian, uh, improving his overhead
shots, then you could take, you know,
a highlight video of Julian's shots,
overhead shots last month versus what
he's doing now, and, and then analyze.
So how do you do that?
I mean, I know you have certain
algorithms and certain recipes
as you call it, but, uh, is that
something the consumer can choose?
I mean, how, how, how does that work?
And how many recipes
do you have, you know.
Um, yeah.
So we're building that into the
app in a way where you can actually
just, it's kind of like searching
for something in the video.
So let's say you have all
your matches recorded.
So who, so who does that?
The consumer or you guys?
Uh, the consumer can do it.
Oh, so the consumer's the one that's
gonna create their own highlight.
So that functionality is
something that we're building.
Okay.
Right now it's, uh, we present highlights.
So, okay.
The highlights that we present are.
Um, you know, the top moments in the game,
uh, which is, uh, typically the longest
rallies, the most attack, um, you know,
um, highest pace, that kind of stuff.
Uh, and then we also have, uh, a
game video where all the breaks are
removed, which for coaching purposes
right, is also, you know, makes it more
efficient to, uh, instead of watching
90 minutes, you're watching 20 minutes.
Um.
But yeah, this functionality of
like searching for particular shots,
for instance, or winners or errors
is something that we're adding.
I mean, this is gonna be, I
think a part of the coaching.
Yeah.
Responsibilities.
Yeah.
I mean, it will be fantastic
if they, you can go in there.
I. And be as a consumer and
pick out some of the highlights.
Make it, send it to 'em.
That'll be part of the service.
And they can understand,
Hey, look, oh my God, I can't
believe I'm doing it like that.
You know, like you be, you would go like,
I can't believe I made all those errors.
Yeah, exactly.
You know what, what I'm saying?
Because you think, you think one
thing and the reality is another.
You know, I, I, I, I, I used, the way
I used to do it is just filming with my
phone and then send them the, the, but now
if the camera can do it by itself and then
you can go back to, you know, 10 lessons,
20 lessons and see how much they improve.
Mm-hmm.
I think it could be really.
Helpful.
Revolutionary.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It also opens up like some opportunity
around doing more remote coaching.
So for instance, if I am playing
in Spain, uh, and I get access to
Julian and, and you know, he watches
my 10 minute clips instead of like
combing through a 90 minute video
and he just, you know, gets my data.
Uh, and he, I get like a 10 minute
recording where Julian is like
saying, this is, that's great.
That's great too, to prove
that's very, very interesting.
Yeah.
So walk us, uh, uh, me as a
consumer, so I rent a court,
give us a whole process from.
Okay.
I wanna, I wanna record, uh,
myself playing the match.
So how, how's that process go?
I go, I walk into the court and
what is it, how is that process?
So it's, uh, so it's either you just
scan the QR code on the, on the court.
Uh, so the court, each court will
have a, a QR code, a unique QR code.
Okay.
That's one way.
Uh, the other way is we integrate
with, uh, the club booking system.
That requires that the booking
system, uh, can do that.
Uh, so you, you're, you're basing
it has an API that you can, we
have APIs yet that allow booking
systems to integrate with us.
So I got another thing I think
will be really, really good.
Yeah.
Um, and so right now the
issues that we just, we just
is the content of like ratings.
Like ratings, you know, and in order to
create a rating, you get, you need data.
Mm-hmm.
And half the people don't
enter their data in.
So if this records everything and can
understand what the score is, mm-hmm.
Then it can immediately just upload it to.
Whichever platform is
willing to work with you.
And then they can create a real rating
system based on your performance or,
or, or also the app, you know, the, the,
the, the software that you guys have.
It should give you an automatic rating.
Mm-hmm.
As per ai, you are rated 3.5.
Exactly.
And that's, that's some, so one
of our biggest priorities actually
this, uh, this year is, uh.
You know, uh, being super, um, accurate
and sharp on tracking, uh, winners and
errors because that's sort of the, uh, the
most important ingredient for consistency.
Yeah.
Ability.
Yeah, exactly.
And then, uh, using that to
have a performance rating.
And we're actually working also
with, uh, so it's just not winning.
It's also your consistency in them
fors because, 'cause you have two
people there and one person could be.
Doing great.
Like me and another person can do all the
enforced errors and he benefits from me.
You know what I'm saying?
All the time.
I swear I hate it when, you
know, my rating goes down
because of my partner messed up.
Right, exactly.
So that's really, that's amazing.
That's that's great.
I I love that.
I love that.
So the whole, the moment I, I, I, I
scanned the QR code automatically.
The, the, the, the camera starts.
Mm-hmm.
Recording.
Mm-hmm.
I don't have to do anything else.
You don't have to do anything else.
And then when I finish, I have to,
you have a notification on your
phone saying your highlight is ready.
And your game analysis.
Now, how quick is that?
What's the That's the time.
It's real time.
So it's like as, as you finish the
recording, there's like a, currently
there's like a post-processing
step of, takes two minutes.
Um, Ooh, that's, that's amazing.
Okay, so the big question, the cost.
Yeah.
Who pays for it?
The consumer.
Is it, is it subscription based?
A consumer just pays
for one, one shot deal.
The, the club, do they pay for the,
uh, for the, what do you call it?
The, the equipment?
Yeah.
And is there a subscription based on that?
Based on services.
Yeah.
So, uh, we have, uh, worked on
being flexible in that sense.
So the camera, we're selling
it, uh, with, uh, zero margins.
Right now it's $400, uh,
uh, as a one-time fee.
Um, and then we have subscription
costs, uh, which is, uh, either the
club can pay for it, uh, upfront.
Uh, which gives, uh, anyone, uh,
that plays on that court access.
So, uh, the club pays a monthly fee.
Oh, so the consumer wouldn't
pay then at that point?
That's, that's if they,
if they pay, that's one.
Yeah.
That's, so how much is
it per court to do that?
Or is it per, how does that work?
Is per court or?
Yeah.
Which is one the camera or is it for every
time somebody plays a trans transaction?
Every time somebody
plays and it has to, uh.
Process that.
How, how does that work?
So it's, we have like a flat, uh, fee.
Okay.
Which is per court, uh,
which is around 200.
Okay.
Um, that's 200 a month.
Yeah.
Okay.
Um, which is, if the club pays for it and
makes it available to any, uh, any, uh,
like everyone that plays on the court.
Right.
Uh, then, uh, we also have an option
where, uh, the player pays for it.
So like you scan the QR
code and then you get, um.
So there's the two models there.
Yeah.
So if the club pays for, it's $200
a month, let's just say the club
pays for the, for the cameras,
but doesn't pay for the service.
Right.
So that, the other model is that the, the
consumers or the players, they pay for it.
And how much would that
be for an individual?
Is it, is it per, or is
it subscription base?
Uh, right now it's per recording.
Okay.
Uh, we want to, uh, launch,
uh, a subscription as well.
Okay.
We think that probably makes.
More sense for some people, uh, if
there's a lot more options and a lot
more, you know, so, yeah, I think so.
Yeah.
And it can be annoying having
to do it every time, time.
Like if you're using it, uh,
regularly, then it's easier or
maybe the two options, you know?
Yeah.
So have, having the two options,
so how much is it per each time
that, uh, you know, pay per,
you know, it would be around $5.
$5. Oh, man.
That's very reasonable.
Yeah.
So basically the cost will be for a
club, 400 bucks, plus the 200 per month.
Per quarter.
Yeah.
The 400 is, is a one time fee.
Just a one time fee for the camera.
Yeah.
And then 200 per quat, correct?
Yeah.
For unlimited usage.
Unlimited usage.
Now if you got, if, if, uh,
the place where you work at
has 27 cords, that's a lot.
Yeah.
But typically not everybody puts
'em all the cords they put on the
two or three main courts, right?
Yeah, we have seen both.
So we have, uh, both clubs that
have it on, on all courts, and then
some that, uh, that have it like on.
One, two, uh, three show courts.
Okay.
So now how do you deal
with, uh, the streaming?
Mm-hmm.
Uh, number one is internet speed, and
number two, the quality of the camera.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, you know, there's just two
things you, the camera could do.
Let's say 10 80 or could do 4K, but
if you don't, if you can't stream
that, and it doesn't really matter
if the sensor's, you know, not for
one inch just to say professional.
If it's too wide, how does it
look and what are you seeing?
Um, so it's a Sony lens.
It records at, uh, 10 80,
um, at 30 frames per second.
Um, we've had, and I assume the,
the sensor's is pretty small.
Yeah.
Right.
So, yeah.
And, uh, but you're outside a
lot, majority of times outside,
or is it outside and inside?
Both.
Yeah.
So we have inside and outside courts.
Okay.
And generally we had, uh, good
feedback on the, on the quality.
The quality.
Um.
Also, uh, we just added, uh,
a new microphone, which is
a road microphone, uh, wow.
To each camera, so you
get audio then, too.
Wow.
So, yeah.
And which, uh, so originally we,
uh, the first microphone we were
using, we just weren't really
satisfied with, uh, audio quality.
Most of, don't even have an
audio, you know, it's great.
Yeah.
I, and for me it's such a big, uh,
part of the, of the game experience.
Yeah.
The emotion and the chatter in
between players and stuff like that.
And I was like.
This microphone that we were
previously using, like it's
just not catch capturing that.
Yeah.
And I, I feel like, you know, I need
that for my, yeah, for my highlights.
The, does it have a, a bleep ocean option
because he, he tends to curse a lot.
So at you for missing all the
shots, man, I swear one is okay.
Two is okay.
Three.
But then you got fourth, fifth.
Come on, come on.
Too much now.
That gives you every time you, like
I said, I was born in the seventies,
raised in the eighties, man.
That's just how I am.
So actually, uh, one of our,
uh, one of our AI engineers,
he's working on automated, uh,
bleeping of, uh, of curse words.
That's funny.
That's hilarious.
A lot of those, yeah.
See's a lot of in
Afghani and, and Spanish.
We haven't gotten to Afghani yet.
We're starting with Spanish and English.
Gotcha.
That's awesome.
So let's talk about, um,
the, the worldwide expansion.
I mean, where.
Where are you guys at right
now and how many clubs?
Um, and where do you see the,
the 20 25, 20 26 expansion?
Yeah, so we, we just
launched the camera here.
Uh, yeah, let's take a look at it.
Yeah.
Um, go ahead.
You can demonstrate it.
Yeah.
So we wanted to build something
that wasn't like a security camera.
Like most of the cameras that we were
seeing on courts were like CCTV cameras.
Yeah.
Don't, don't look very sexy.
We wanted to build something
that was like, you know,
unique and, and kind of spacey.
Uh, yeah.
So, uh, should put some eyes on it.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
So actually our, our camera designer,
he previously, uh, was the lead
designer at a company that is,
uh, very successful in, in soccer.
Uh, so they built an AI camera in
soccer that is in, I think, I think like
30% of soccer clubs world worldwide.
Nice.
Called vo.
So he, uh, he came on board
and, and designed this with us.
And how do you deal with the weather?
I mean, especially with heat.
Yeah, I mean, it has a cooling system.
Cooling system does everything.
Right, right.
Yeah.
So, so let me, you didn't finish
explaining, uh, when he was
asking you about the connection.
So it's a 10 80, but the, the
inter, it has to be wired, right?
So how do you deal with places
that don't have good internet?
So I mean's like a minimum
threshold, obviously.
So like, uh, the minimum that this camera
needs is, uh, eight megabits per second.
Uh, obviously if you have 10 quarts,
then you need, uh, more bandwidth.
You need probably 80
megabits, uh, per upload.
Right.
Second upload.
And it has to be wired.
It's not wifi.
Uh, wifi, yeah.
Uh, we can do wifi, but like we
would always recommend doing, uh,
wiring, just, uh, for reliability.
And you do all the installation,
that's, you guys do that or
do they have to find somebody?
No, they, they do the wiring.
Oh, okay.
Uh, it's, um, yeah, so.
Generally, like people know you
can buy long cable on Amazon.
It's not that difficult
to set up yourself.
Well, for him it would be, it's no idea.
He'll probably put a
regular telephone line.
So, so the, the the, so it has to
be eight megabits per per quart.
Per per second, yeah.
Per second.
Upload speed.
And then it's a 10 80.
It's a 10 80.
Yeah.
And you can stream, so like
whenever you're recording, you can.
You can stream also to,
uh, your family at home.
And how does, how, how does it cover it?
Because I know, yeah.
I've done this be before.
This is where I kind of started really.
It's just funny that you're bringing this.
This is amazing.
Oh, there's all the stuff that I kind of,
four years ago, five years ago, was doing
uhhuh, but they didn't, we didn't have
the technology and ai, so I was recording.
I had my separate audio uhhuh,
you know, I had the camera there.
Oh, no way.
Certain area, recording the US PS I was
going back, editing, doing the highlights,
putting out, so I was doing all of that.
Believe I was doing all of that.
You did it all manually?
All manually.
Because there's no AI back then.
Mostly best part for free.
Yeah.
For free.
Yeah.
That's how that, for the level it started
for the for, for the love of Padel.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's pretty much how I saw the YouTube
channel and I was doing a lot of that.
People love the highlights.
Yeah, the trick shots.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, you know, I'm writing
down the times so that way it
will take less time editing.
But I, I, I, we then I started, you know,
we started getting some of the cameras
in, but the quality just wasn't there.
And then I was able to get the right
lens to match, so it doesn't look too
wide, but it covers the majority of it.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and now I see a lot of companies and,
and you get a lot of them that are way
too wide, so it looks a little distorted
because they wanna cover everything.
And then the farther you go, obviously
you don't see those, those details.
Mm-hmm.
How are you overcoming that?
You know, I mean, it's a, it's
a hard, hard challenge, right?
Mm-hmm.
So like, when we were designing
this, we were, uh, we were looking
at, you know, what, what, uh,
we tested out a bunch of lenses.
Uh, and how do we cover the court,
uh, in the best possible way.
So this camera, it mounts
on top of the fence.
Yep.
And, and that was really a decision,
uh, that we made in order to be able to
fit on any court because, uh, sometimes
you don't have space behind the court.
Yeah.
So this camera will fit on any court.
Uh, but then lens wise, it's,
you see a lot of cameras that
have fish island and mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Too much distortion.
Yeah.
Then we also see some cameras that,
uh, you know, record from basically
the service line and forward.
Right.
And then you're missing so much
of the game game play, right.
So we wanted to find a
compromise in between those,
so we don't have any fisheye.
We do record from roughly, uh,
like three feet from the back
wall and then uh, forward four.
Yeah.
So you don't see the corners?
We don't see the corners,
but I would say we probably
capture around 99% of all shots.
Okay.
Because most of the game is like, so
do you give an option for the club
to put a second camera to cover?
Both.
And your AI can obviously change camera
shots when they do the highlight.
Uh, we don't do that yet.
Uh, we are thinking about, uh, adding
a second camera, uh, for AI purposes in
order to, uh, track a score actually.
So automating score would require
that we have a full view of the court.
Uh, we don't do that currently.
Sure.
Um, yeah.
Scoring you need sort of.
Probably 99% plus accuracy on
detecting whether something
was a winner or an error.
Right, right, right.
What we can get with one camera
is something more like 95%.
So where do you see the future in
this, you know, for improvements?
'cause I believe me, when I
started it was, you know, tough.
Yeah.
And then they start seeing a little
bit, you know, companies like that, but
they're starting to get better and better.
And then with AI even better.
Yeah.
So where, where do you see it?
Do you see at one point it being like.
Like a real production, like what you see,
let's just say in the premier or mm-hmm.
Real professionals.
Do you think it can get to that point?
Yeah.
So I mean, that's awesome.
Um, I have several sources of inspiration
when I think about the future.
Um, like one is I look at, you
know, Wimbledon Center cord.
Yeah.
Uh, the production level
that they have there.
Yeah.
And I believe that's gonna be automated.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, and you can put it on any court.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So one of the things that we were
thinking about, like how do we add
more cameras, how do we capture
the type of content that, uh, you
know, uh, an influencer videographer
would be capturing for people?
Um, and obviously generating all the data
that, you know, say IBM is generating
for the Grand Slams incentives.
So both like the data and coaching
aspect and then the sort of.
Automated production of a game.
So that's where we want to go.
Uh, obviously it's step by step H How far,
how far do you think we have for that?
You know, three years, four years?
Yeah.
I think, you know, within, within
that timeframe a lot can happen.
Mm-hmm.
Um, you know.
The, the amount of stuff that we
have achieved in, in one year, right.
From like, from, you know, uh,
optimizing compute, uh, to running
cheaper, to running faster.
You know, like, uh, a year ago we were,
we were not real time, so we were,
it was like an experience where you
recorded your game, then you had to
wait two hours to get like a highlight.
And it's like, you need,
like it wasn't efficient.
Yeah.
Wasn't efficient.
Exactly.
You want you, like a
consumer is just so cool.
They want it now.
Exactly.
You want immediately.
And from the, the point of view of
the consumer, uh, can you upload
these highlights to your social media?
Yeah.
So tell us a little bit.
I mean, those extra
goodies that you can do.
Yeah.
So that's one of the sort of features
that we're, uh, you know, uh, trying
to, uh, create a really good experience
around is you get a highlight, which
is the best moments, uh, that you
had on court in those 90 minutes and.
You know, the, the stuff that you want
to share with your friends and family.
So just having like a, a very
easy way to, uh, share it
directly to Instagram or whatever.
Um, so that, that's
something that we're doing.
And that's obviously also something that
is, uh, is great for clubs if they can get
people to share content from their courts.
So that's like a marketing of course.
It's a good marketing thing for them.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
Because they were strategically.
Put the name of their, you
know, of the club mm-hmm.
On the net or somewhere where when you're
looking at the video, that's what you see.
We actually also offer them to, uh,
include logos on the video so they
can, uh, you know, you can put the, the
club's logo on the video so when people
share, uh, free market gets promoted.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or if you have a title
sponsor, you can do on, on, uh.
So, besides social media, is
this record, let's say now I
wanna see, I'm a club owner.
I wanna see who's playing core number two.
Mm-hmm.
Can I have, do I have access
to that camera to see who's
do, who's playing live or not?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
You do.
Yeah.
So as a club owner or a manager,
you have a dashboard, uh, where
you can manage your cameras.
You can.
Uh, you know, see, uh, the
live streams of any camera.
Oh, okay.
So you, and you also recording in
case, I don't know, somebody runs
against a class and breaks, breaks
a glass or something like that.
I mean, do you record those things?
Uh, from the liability class?
That's, that's a good part.
Liability issues, right?
Yeah.
So this is, I hadn't thought about that.
This is gonna be helpful for clubs.
Yeah.
People fall.
And there's probably more, I don't
wanna say, could be more fraud
than, than the reality, you know?
Yeah.
You know?
Ah, so it would clarify if, you know,
they felt because of that, or just
because, is it recording live all, all
the time, the 90 minutes, or, it only
records when it's scheduled to record.
So that's either when a booking system
schedules it to record, or when a
user, uh, starts a recording and on the
backend, the, the owner or the manager
of the cloud can have access to that.
Court to see, I don't know, I'm home.
Or let's say you, you have access
to all the content, all live stream.
You can also have it
record all day if you want.
A lot of the things that happens, which I
think it's, it's here in Florida, it rains
a lot, so you know, we're, we're at home.
Mm. Okay.
Is it raining?
It rain, is it raining?
I mean, should I, you know, call
off all, you know, cancel all
the, all the, the reservations.
Mm-hmm.
Do I have access to that?
Live on the minute.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
'cause he has to deal with that.
He gets probably a million
yes messages when it rains.
Is it raining?
You deal with it, man.
I mean, it could be raining
in Brickle or in top Miami,
but it's not an at old drive.
It's raining at all.
That's somewhere else.
So you know that's Florida, man.
It's crazy like that.
So, but you have access to that too.
So that's, I think that's, that's a
another perk of, and have, have you with
owners, have you had a pushback on maybe
not getting it because they're concerned
about somebody gets injured or anything,
you know, and then obviously there's
a video of that there, or not really.
So, no, I don't.
So that's good.
So tell us about your expansion.
So in what class are you now on
where you know what's coming?
Yeah, so we're, um.
You know, we launched this just
in, in January of this year.
Uh, so it's, uh, you know,
been a, a great few months.
We're, I think in around 15 countries
right now, uh, on all continents.
Um, not an Antarctica, not yet.
Uh, but otherwise, yes.
Uh, and, uh, yeah, a
hundred plus courts already.
Uh, we, uh, we're, uh, hoping to reach
a thousand courts, uh, next year.
Wow.
And what other sports?
Uh, bad Batman, of course.
Or right now the camera
is only for Padel.
Oh, okay.
We have, you know, a, a backend ai,
uh, engine that works for badminton.
Okay.
But we, uh, we would probably launch a
camera for, for tennis, badminton, uh,
all the right ball sports, pretty much.
Yeah.
What and what clubs are you
here in the United States?
So, uh, ultra, uh, we are integrated
with Ultra on, on all their courts.
Uh, then we have, um, epic Padel, uh,
which is a, a new club that's opening,
um, it's already opening Sawgrass, right?
Indoor.
That one Indoors.
Uh, so grass one.
Is it already open or, yeah.
Okay.
Well, they have cameras.
Cool.
Uh, cool.
I don't think they've, uh,
put them up yet, but, uh Okay.
So we're integrating with their
custom booking system as well.
Nice.
Uh, then there's a Padel nine in San
Diego and Bay Padel in San Francisco.
And then, uh, when you say integrated with
the recover observations, meaning that now
ultra switching to, uh, play to, so you're
gonna be integrated on play to that option
to, uh, to record, you know, the games.
Um, so I'm not, uh, completely sure
how it's gonna work with, uh, platonic.
Okay.
Uh, but they have some way of,
uh, of, uh, triggering adding
that picture, triggering, uh,
recordings based on the bookings.
Okay.
We don't work directly with platonic.
Um, and on the, on the, something
interesting to, to find out, I
mean, on the 15 countries that
you said, where do you see the,
the, the, the growth of Padel?
Where, where you, where
the eyes are going?
Mm-hmm.
Or the, the, the, the quotes or?
Yeah.
So, uh, I mean, it's really cool to see
Padel growing, uh, in so many places.
Uh, and also some places that,
uh, to me were surprising.
So we're getting, uh, a lot of inbound
from, for instance, Southeast Asia,
so Indonesia, Singapore, and Malaysia.
Uh, so we already have
cameras in in Indonesia.
Um, and uh, we are also getting a
lot of inbound from obviously like
the Gulf States, Dubai and Qatar.
They have had, uh, you know, a history
with Padel for some years, but now also
like Jordan and, and some of these other
Arab countries are Wow, are growing a lot.
So, like some really nice
facilities being built there.
Um.
And, uh, South Africa.
Yeah.
Uh, all the areas that you know.
Yeah.
Well, you know, a lot you guys know,
we're just confirming that, you know,
we see the traffic on, on our website
and then obviously the us I mean,
the US for us is really interesting.
It's the market.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The few for the future.
That's super, super interesting.
Well.