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Jhon
Welcome to supernatural breakthroughs, where we have real, raw and unfiltered conversations about our Christ centered spiritual journeys. Discover mystical stories told by truth seekers on their many spiritual quests. We trust that these stories will help you on your own personal journey of discovery.
00:26
Jhon
So new age seekers are highly evolved people. I'm really personally looking forward to this because I know some incredibly deep, amazing people in this space. So I want to open up this conversation by acknowledging the depth. Now, I know a lot of listeners, perhaps, who are more religious spiritually, not so. Perhaps awake in some ways, are going to be offended by our dialogue, perhaps on this conversation. And that's not our intention. Our intention is to honor and acknowledge the reality of the fact that there are very profoundly awake, deep people in the new age communities. Again, if we want to use that word new age loosely, that have not yet had a deep encounter with the Lord Jesus to understand who he is. But yet these people have done tremendous amounts of work on themselves, different types of plant, medicines, all kinds of things.
01:14
Jhon
And they're deep in deep, and they're evolved in the sense of they're emotionally quite intelligent, they're very perceptive. When they walk into a room, they command a presence. They're intellectually very awakened. And so they have a lot of beautiful attributes. They value love and kindness. And so there's a lot of beautiful things that we want to acknowledge about these individuals. So I'm just going to open up that to you guys. Anka's got some tears.
01:39
Hanka
I just got reminded of in my life leaders who have really influenced me in very good ways and brought me into the place where I am now. Thanks to them, I'm here. People who are very advanced, and they haven't been saved yet. They haven't found Jesus Christ intimately yet.
01:57
Jhon
So they helped you in, say, developing.
01:59
Hanka
You mentally, emotionally, and stepping into the leadership position.
02:05
Jhon
That's why I had this tears of tears gratitude. That's beautiful. It's beautiful. Thank you, Anka. Thank you.
02:10
Hanka
Yes, it is amazing to see how God's work actually, and that we are all discovering each day a little bit more about his perfect, loving, amazing plan, because we do have these amazing beings that are spiritual beings, and they are figuring out each day a little bit more about themselves in terms of spirituality, trying to figure out more about even gods, even without knowing the living God that we know already. So they with big attributes. And I believe that God knows exactly the perfect time for everybody, because at the end of this, it is nothing, me finding God, but it's God finding me. So the time is not my time, but it's his time. That's why we do have so much people in this new age.
02:58
Hanka
There are so much more spiritual beings and empathic beings and beings that know how to love others much more than believers. Christians, Christians, believers that doesn't know nothing about the spirituality. That's why I do sometimes this comparison between the Tower of Babel and the confusion of the languages for what is going on still today in terms of spiritual language, different languages in the spirit. Yes, because we are coming into a point that we must be very humble and wise and ask the spirit of God to help us to develop this kind of relationships with each other, to figure out more and more about who God is and who we are. So everything has its specific role in this.
03:44
Jhon
You know, my take on a lot of the people in the new age who are highly evolved that we're referring to, some of them have tremendous sensitivities, they're highly empathic. They can feel other people, they can sense, and they have a very high radar to detect. The old wineskin Busain Christianity. What I mean by the old wineskin is religious tonality, religious mechanisms, the habitualities that are not life itself. They're constructs, if you like, church matrixes. I mean, there's a movement in Christianity called the deconstruction process, where a lot of people are just seeing through a lot of the dysfunctional cultures in churches, because churches are made up of man against normal. You know, wherever there's humans, there's fallibility, there's weakness. That's just the way it is.
04:25
Jhon
And so a lot of these beautiful, powerful new age individuals that we're referring to, they see through that and they go, well, I can't put myself there. I can't bond to in that dimension or that place or that church or that atmosphere. So the new age is kind of where they go and they look for different ways to express themselves and so forth. But what I have found is when these people have a direct encounter with the Holy Spirit in Jesus, they feel it and they acknowledge it, that it's something far beyond anything else, when they have that genuine experience for themselves. And so for me, it's very clear even in the scripture, it says no one comes to the Father or God unless the father draws them and the Father's spirit.
05:03
Jhon
So these individuals, there's no way you're going to be able to convince them of anything. It's ridiculous to even think you can, because they're highly intelligent, they're highly evolved. They're extremely perceptive, intuitive, and for me, what I believe, and this is what I say because I have a number of friends who are incredibly evolved people, and I learn from them in different ways. But I say to them, you know, guys, you will know this encounter with Jesus when the time comes, when he reveals himself to you, and no one needs to convince you it's just going to be like that for you. So, you know, I want to just make that. That's our stance and our experience, you know, coming out of the new age now, I know a lot of christians, perhaps listening to this, are going, what are you saying, John?
05:38
Jhon
Are you defending these people? You know, are you saying it's okay to be in a new age? That's not what we're saying. What we're saying and what we're acknowledging here is that these people are deep, these people are beautiful, they're perceptive, they're powerful, and they come when the time comes. They come to Christ when that moment happens for them.
05:55
Hanka
And I also wanted to make a note on this, that they are looking for something unlimited beyond of themselves, which is God. God cannot be put into our brains. We cannot limit him. And that's what the living word says as well. My way is higher than yours. My thoughts are way higher than yours. And it feels, and it seems like they're looking for the truth. They're looking beyond of their physical box and the mind.
06:22
Jhon
They are onto something, so they have a genuine quest. There was a beautiful book written. I think it was put together by Sid Roth. He didn't write it, but it was a compilation of stories of some extremely advanced, new age, highly evolved seekers. Some of them really operate at extremely powerful levels. And the book's called the truth seekers because they were seeking truth, and they were operating extremely high levels with different powers and spiritual sensitivities and abilities. But it was that once they had that encounter with the living God, it provided a contrast to the spiritual systems that they were once familiar with. Self actualizing with this, because we've got another point here called the doctrines we believe affect what we perceive, and so the philosophies that we self actualize within.
07:04
Jhon
And what I mean by that is the doctrines, the interpretations, are like lenses on a camera, affect the view of what we're seeing. And so when they have their own encounter with Jesus, it provides a contrasting lens or view that enables them to see something completely different that they've never experienced before. And that's something that you can't communicate at the level of the soul, it happens deep within their spirit. And until that moment happens, there's no. In my opinion, I could be wrong, but there's no point trying to convince anyone of anything. It's futile. Doesn't make sense. And so I prefer just to really celebrate these individuals. Yeah.
07:41
Hanka
And when you say that, we all kind of come from that point as well, so we are not separate from being on the journey of trying to figure out the truth. And then, by God's grace, we will pull up for being sons and daughters of the almighty God and receiving Jesus Christ. But once more is his own time that gives to all of us the moment in this journey to just suddenly be our day.
08:07
Jhon
That moment started, and then you realize there's nothing you did. Is that what you're saying?
08:11
Hanka
The thing that I did was in 2012, I asked God, I prayed God, really? From all my heart, I asked, reveal me the truth. I know there's something more that I'm not perceiving. Reveal me the truth. And then he put me in this spiritual journey, figuring out. Searching, searching for the truth that I was doing a lot of different kind of research, and eight years of silence retreats and asking, who am I? Et cetera, et cetera. And then it comes one specific day, by his own grace, that he just revealed itself to me in the moment of my journey of research. So everything is not only validated as well. We need to experience duality. Because if we don't experience duality.
08:54
Jhon
Love what you're saying.
08:55
Hanka
How can we know the truth? We don't.
08:57
Jhon
When you encounter him.
08:58
Hanka
No. Yeah.
08:58
Jhon
Yes. Well, this was part of my quest. I wanted to see everything else to go. Is this real? Cause I did experience God when I was young, but I was like, nah, I had some problems with religion. I see through a lot of problems here. I went on this quest, like, each of us here, testing so many different things, frequencies, dimensions, realities, things. And then when he revealed himself to me in spirit. Checkmate. It's like, okay, I'm clear. But I wouldn't have had that appreciation if I didn't go on the crazy journey that I had. Yeah. It's like. I just wouldn't know. I wouldn't appreciate. And this is what I'm hearing you.
09:28
Hanka
Say, Mariana, it's duality.
09:30
Jhon
Duality, yes.
09:32
Hanka
That is the main part of duality, that we must experience that. Because even when we say, jesus says, know the truth and the truth will set you free. So we must experience some other things to know this and not only that, but he is the way, the truth. And the life is not one. Truth is the truth. So when we met him, we met the truth. And when we met the truth, we will be set free.
09:56
Jhon
So I love it. I love it. So highly evolved people, many of them, I can understand also an objection or a criticism they have towards christians. And that is you guys are arrogant. You Christians, you think you have the truth, you think you have the way. Come on. Right. And the thing is, from their vantage point, being highly evolved people, they can see through so much of the. What were you saying earlier, Mariana? The non spiritual christians, the religiosity, the rigidity, the dysfunction, they see right through that. They have a sensitivity to that. And so for them, it's ironic that these body of people claim to have the truth. How is that possible? Come on, guys. You guys are arrogant and delusional and I can completely understand them thinking that way. I completely think it's a fair assessment to think that way.
10:42
Jhon
But, and there is a but an actual spiritual encounter with Jesus is something completely different that those dysfunctional christians, and there's so many and so many of us, we still have our things that we're working through. By no means are we saying we're completed here, but the reality is that does not represent the living Christ. The power of Christ and his spirit, once it reveals itself to you, will give you the contrast that you need. That's personal and unique to you, and that's a personal thing. And so I just want to acknowledge the way that they see the arrogance in Christianity and the assumptions of Christianity. But there's more to it than that. I'm just going to put that back to any of those listening to this. No, there's a lot more to that. It's actually what's touched us is something in the spirit.
11:26
Jhon
And of course, our soul is still healing. We're still on our own journeys. But the contrast of an encounter with the Christ is so deeply profound that it transcends bliss, it transcends these non dualistic states that we've each experienced here. And it's something that's profoundly deep. When that moment comes, it changes everything. All right, thanks, guys. Thank you for joining us on supernatural breakthroughs. We trust that today's conversation ignited something within you. If you found this valuable, please subscribe. And we invite you to leave a review and share this episode with someone who you believe needs to hear it.