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NET Society is unraveling the latest in digital art, crypto, AI, and tech. Join us for fresh insights and bold perspectives as we tap into wild, thought-provoking conversations. By: Derek Edwards (glitch marfa / collab+currency), Chris Furlong (starholder, LAO + Flamingo DAO), and Aaaron Wright & Priyanka Desai (Tribute Labs)
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Aaron
I can't stop laughing at those JD Vance means. And actually, I thought people. I knew it was good when people kind of referenced it, like 4 to 5 times in the past week, it seems. I feel like there's, like, so much JD Vance means. I think that was honestly one of the best memes I've seen in years.
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Pri
What's interesting about that meme is it feels and someone else tweeted this, but I've been like thinking about this too. It feels like the first kind of mean that people have fully leaned into. I video, I imagery, and it's not the first meme, but it's like the first meme that has entered like the public consciousness. Like you see that?
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Pri
I don't know if you guys saw that clip of Fox News where they just had like ten of the JD Vance memes that were all like I generated. I don't know if I've seen, like a meme hit that hard. That is like mostly driven by AI generated content, which is kind of compelling, actually.
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Aaron
That is, I didn't even I didn't even think of that, that, that that was really the first name. Do you think it's good for him or bad for him?
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Pri
I mean, he's leaned into it a little bit. He kind of was posting that one Leo meme of like pointing at the TV. He like the one of his face. He picked the more flattering ones to lead it to.
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Aaron
What were the flattering ones?
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Pri
The flattering ones like that? Leo would. And there's like some that are as like, so like the guy with the curly ish.
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Chris
The, you know, the curly mods, the best one.
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Aaron
Spun around in 3D. That one.
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Pri
That's a video on.
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Aaron
That.
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Chris
I saw. I saw that one on the sphere. Someone on the sphere is fantastic.
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Aaron
Talking about the sphere I did, I thought it was super cool to see Jen Stark's work up on the sphere. It seemed like she really had like a blast viewing that. If there's like such joy watching her like, interact with her work on the sphere, I thought I thought that was super cool.
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Pri
If anyone has been to the sphere yet.
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Aaron
No.
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Chris
I haven't been to Vegas in a while. Maybe like seven years at this point, I don't know.
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Aaron
Have you been there, Jake?
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Gmoney
I haven't been to Vegas in a minute. I've been in. I feel I've wanted to go to the sphere to to watch, like some, some of these concerts because, like I've heard that the experience inside is just, like, so incredible. Especially like artists I know. Anima to all of us, that does like, a lot of awesome visuals that I'm like, oh yeah, like, I definitely want to go, but I haven't had the chance to go.
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Gmoney
I like to be perfectly honest. I think at this point, my number one reason for going to Vegas would be to like, experience something in the sphere.
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Pri
That's literally what I think. I'm going to try to book a trip there. I feel like the sphere might get cooked in like 3 to 5 years, and I need to, like, experience it before it just gets like dilapidated and gross.
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Gmoney
Well, it's it's a Jimmy Dolan project, right. So it's definitely yeah, it's definitely going downhill from here.
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Chris
Oh, man. We're all going to hate on, James Dolan right now.
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Gmoney
I am I am a lifelong Knicks fan. So I, I see that man with a passion.
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Aaron
Yeah. Like, why can't we get good basketball in New York and not in Brooklyn? I don't want the nets to be good. I want the Knicks to be good.
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Gmoney
Yeah, like I good. I probably lived within, like, a 15 minute walk of Madison Square Garden for like a solid ten years. And I think I went to one basketball game because that's how terrible the Knicks are.
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Aaron
Yeah, I like can't even I know they're better, but I still can't get excited about this team. So not I want like an epic like Golden State like yeah peak Celtics peak Bulls like Knicks team I just I feel like New York deserves that. And I agree Yorkers love basketball. You know like we love basketball. Like all the kids here.
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Aaron
That's all they play. Like they're only playing basketball. Like there's no reason that we should have such cruddy basketball in New York. It kind of kills me.
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Chris
And the funny thing though, is like New York's basketball identity are those rough and tumble, you know, Charles Oakley teams. And that's what you guys are always longing for in basketball is just move so far beyond that now. Well, that's why you guys are like Neanderthals, like rooting for the return of, like, hitting people with sticks.
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Aaron
All right, number one. Yes. Number two. Yeah. Like I think the Knicks, you bring back a little bit tougher basketball. Like I think it's gotten to too soft too much three point shooting. Like why don't the paint scrape or Shaq I want to Shaq 2.0.
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Gmoney
I want yeah I want Charles Oakley the Anthony Mason I mean those guys back I I was listening to some a podcast last week where I think they were talking about how I think in general, minutes watched of basketball games is down like significantly. But it's like I think out of like all the live sports, probably some baseball because baseball is running so boring.
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Gmoney
But out of all the live sports, like minutes watched or like people aren't even really watching a lot of the games, it's more like for the highlights and whatnot.
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Aaron
Yeah, it is that all sports, though? I feel like that. Maybe.
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Gmoney
Yeah, it's probably all sports. Probably. Probably all sports except for like playoffs.
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Aaron
Except for college hockey and Chris then it's gone one direction.
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Chris
More I'll talk talking and it's a great week for college hockey guys. We're we're in the midst of the hockey tournament right now. I was actually this is how degenerate I am. I was watching double overtime. Merrimack northeastern play in game Wednesday night. It's like 1040 and these guys like barely get up and down the it's an I'm tuned in.
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Aaron
It's wild. I like that you have that passion Chris. And it's not shared by as many people as I feel like it. Shed is literally rolling her eyes next to me.
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Pri
I like to.
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Aaron
Talk about here.
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Pri
Yeah, I was actually going to contribute something like Charles Barkley's wife is now on Real Housewives of Atlanta.
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Aaron
Oh, really? Yeah, and.
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Pri
That's my contribution to.
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Chris
The Chuckster.
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Pri
Welcome to Nut Society where we explore the world digital art, crypto, AI, tech and more. We're bringing you deep insights, fresh perspectives, hitting on some things that are exploring some of the DAOs that we're a part of. And just as a quick disclaimer, these opinions are our own and not of our employer. Today we have me, Chris, Aaron, and then special guest G money, founder of 90 CC and friend of Flamingo and a bunch of other DAOs.
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Pri
We missed Derek today, but he'll be back next week.
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Aaron
But go back to Vance. Do you think that the AI media gets kind of normalized via this meme or just. Yeah, now people know you can kind of have fun with it. I also thought it was notable that OpenAI and Sam were kind of previewing this, like creative AI, and I that that's an area I've been pretty interested in.
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Aaron
I'm kind of pumped to see some models that actually can produce either funny or like actually well written content. I just feel like that's such a big unlock.
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Pri
I mean, we've talked about this in other podcasts, but it feels like music is a great spot where it's like it's kind of getting it. Doesn't it feel like that area at least? Maybe not like content, but that type of musical content may cross the Rubicon more than others.
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Aaron
I don't know, that's what with this model coming out. I mean, I think that if you can have an album that can produce like good, funny content, I just feel like that's the end state. Like, I don't want to solve quantum physics. Like I want an alarm that will crack a joke. I just feel like that impact will be almost as profound in some in some ways.
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Chris
Aaron just wanted to be amused to death.
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Pri
Yeah.
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Gmoney
I would be all I feel like all.
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Chris
Yes, we all do, but let's just be honest about it.
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Aaron
But what else are we going to do, Chris? Once they solve all the quantum physics right, we're going at least need to amuse themselves a little bit to to fill the hole of, of,
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Pri
Discovery.
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Aaron
Of the fact that we're useless as a species.
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Chris
I mean, I think you you've got a couple choices, right? Like, one is you can get in the trenches and trade millisecond tickers, of of everything that machines do and just white knuckle your way through, their progress, or you just take up something, like, completely antiquated that the machines don't care about it. Like I'm golfing after this show.
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Chris
I mean, you could I don't know, start crocheting.
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Pri
You know, I read an article recently about in high school, just high school students like the woodworking classes and those, like, kind of more traditional men like manual labor type of, you know, homework type of courses are getting like there's like more demand than ever for those types of classes, ironically. So to your point, we're already seeing it.
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Gmoney
It's funny, because I was having this conversation about a month and a half ago, with somebody like, what is going to be your, your job, you know, your calling one's like AI takes over and everything. And she was saying she would be a massage therapist. And then I think I read this past week that one of the humanoid, robots, one of the robotics companies is like, one of their first things that they're going after is, massages, right?
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Gmoney
And being able to to perform massages. But I do think there's, like, a human element to it, right? Like, for instance, like for myself, I've taken up coffee making, so, like, I have this little I'm basically like a burrito.
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Aaron
But are you doing pour overs?
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Gmoney
No, I have I got an espresso machine and I have my grinder. I have alamar Ocho. So apparently they're the Ferraris of coffee. And I recently gotten into it and like, you know, I'm buying like, I'm trying to source, like, the best coffee beans I can. And I invite people over for a coffee, and it's just like one of those things where it's like, you know what?
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Gmoney
What is something that is very human, that even though maybe like a robot, an AI might be able to do it better. But, you know, I think there's something special about like a human being taking, making, taking time out of their day. And even if it's imperfect, like spending that time and dedicating it to you, I think it just means more, right?
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Gmoney
Because, you know, like what it you know, it's more costly than a perfect espresso every single time from a robot or AI.
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Chris
So G you're leaning into ritual. Are we going to have like nine like pouring ceremonies? Maybe that maybe.
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Pri
So it's actually one for that.
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Gmoney
It's funny because like, I'm like, I just got like a lot of my black boxes literally just this week and I'm like, I'm going to set them up in like one of the other rooms and just kind of have like, whoever comes over for coffee is going to have like a souvenir to, to walk away with from 90 sec and like, I'm like, oh, what if we made like 90 cc cups or something like that?
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Gmoney
But like, it's just like, you know, that the only way you can get it is if, like you, I welcome you into my home and make you a coffee. I think there's something there. I think there's something the way the world goes over the next couple decades.
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Aaron
Just like more homespun, it goes both directions, right? Like you're either going to plug in deeper or or start to enjoy the, simpler things in life. Right.
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Pri
It's funny to me that actually, you're taking this approach in a more organic way, because when you think about, like, some of the big concept stores and Soho or just New York, they have like coffee appended on, you know, at this point, like Ralph Coffee probably makes more than they make in their like concept stores. For shops, it's almost like subsidizing the rent.
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Pri
And Ralph's Coffee has its own brand and and social media tied to it. And it's like a whole thing. You see that across like, you know, I feel like I was like in, like a jewelry store and I saw, like, homemade hot chocolate and like, I think they're trying to create that, like, lifestyle feel thing, which we've seen now for a few years.
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Pri
But it's funny, I went to this place called quarters this week in New York and they basically like took an apartment. Everything in the apartments for sale and including artwork. It's like wine tastings. It's like a little restaurant, and it's like everything is like a lifestyle brand. So it's so funny to me that you're kind of organically doing that just in your home.
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Pri
Like you're like, oh, do you want your nine? Like, but also let's like, make, coffee and you can, like, feel like you're a part of my home in this, like, organic lifestyle. Kind of comfortable, homey experience of like you buying product, which is funny that you're like back ending into that.
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Gmoney
Yeah. No, I mean, I, I know exactly what you mean for me because like, even I think about, like some of the stores in New York that I think have been doing it really, really well for a long time, I think kith is like at the top of that list, right. Aldi, where they give you this experience of like, what does coffee look like in, you know, their world, right.
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Gmoney
Where kith had kith treats with with the ice cream. And now I think in the women's store they have like plant shed in the back where it's like I'm like I mean these are just I just want to hang out there, right? Like I just want to go there and then, you know, maybe buy something right from like, the clothing rack.
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Gmoney
And I've been thinking about that a lot, especially since we did our pop up in New York, where it's like, if I had a, like a longer term pop up going, I have a couple cool, like shared type concepts that I think would like, go really well where it would just kind of just drive traffic in there and it's like you're, you know, it's like a lifestyle, right where it's like, oh yeah, here's like the vibe, like you want, you want, you want to buy something from there because it represents something about, like what you stand for, what you identify with.
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Gmoney
Right. But then also give them like this experience. I think that's where like consumer is going in general. It's like more on the experiential side. Right. It's like what. Yeah. Beyond just like advertising, like how can I create more brand affinity by creating these cool interactions, whether physical or digital?
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Aaron
Yeah, I think it's also I think it's interesting. I went to like, superrare is opening a gallery and kind of walk through it. I saw, like, there's another digital gallery. It feels like there's like a move also to bring more digital stuff, physical. And then we saw that, like with Bright Moments, but it feels like that trend is continuing.
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Aaron
Like even in the depths of an NFT bear market that people are.
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Pri
There's it's it's like.
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Aaron
Something that they want to kind of bring this stuff into physical spaces a bit more and make it more experiential, which I think is pretty, pretty fascinating. It's like people don't want to stare at their screens. I really feel like the, the user interface around computers is going to change pretty dramatically in the next couple of years.
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Aaron
I don't know why I feel that, but it just feels like that's the case.
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Gmoney
I feel the same way regarding like the the interface changes. And I think it's because of like lives, right? Where now you I just asked him a question and he goes out and finds me the answer rather than me, like asking on Google, sorting through the links, figuring out, you know, which one is like a reputable source or whatever.
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Gmoney
And I just, I think because of that, we're going to have access to so much information in her fingertips that, you know, like I even sometimes I'm starting to get annoyed that, like, I have to type it out and I'm like, why can't I just just say, you know, kind of like what Siri was supposed to be, right?
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Gmoney
Like, hey, perplexity like blah blah blah blah and get the answer pretty quickly.
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Pri
It does feel like, the user interface of the computer is going to be more voice. So I feel like that's how most people will start engaging with the devices. And with the rise of robotics, it kind of feels like it makes sense to me that that would be the case.
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Aaron
Yeah, I just I don't know, it feels like we're going to get like an operating system upgrade, like it feels like that a lot of the AI stuff's moving towards robotics, but also just your computer, like, I feel like people are exhausted of being on screens and scrolling. And I think, I don't know, it feels like we're ready for like a weird phase shift in the form factor for computers.
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Aaron
Yeah. It feels like it's building, like every day that.
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Chris
Aaron, you've been, like, openly rooting for the an end to windows and iOS and what comes next. And this this might be your window right here. You know, I can see it. I can feel it. I mean it's the same way, like my kids can't write cursive, right. You know, what? Are we going to be a generation away from no one knowing how to type?
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Aaron
Probably. I mean, probably even not even knowing how computers work. Right? It's kind of like cars. Like we had all these, like, armchair engineers poking or poking around on their cars for X number of years. And then it got completely abstracted away.
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Pri
Everything's a computer, you guys.
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Chris
Everything is computer.
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Gmoney
But everything.
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Aaron
Is computer. It's the name of the episode.
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Chris
I have, like, always thought about that out in the air. Like, if my car breaks, I'm fucked, right? Like I know how to fix that, right? But I also, like, know how to, I don't know, like, you know, updating the application, like, I've written to, like, the pride database. I fucked it up a few times too. And then I learned to never write to pride again.
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Chris
But like, that whole generation, you know, is, Yeah, there you go. They're going to lose that.
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Aaron
Well, I think it I mean, it's even like how computers are built or how software is written, like, I'm pretty convinced at this point that in the next year there's going to be a non-English programing language that really only the eyes know they're not going to use English to program. So why would that? It's pretty inefficient.
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Gmoney
How will that affect your vibe coding.
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Aaron
You know, it's funny I saw Denison from Talley's is awesome. He tweeted out. He's like, there's no more vibe coding. I'm just like literally watching the AI program again. It's not even like there's no vibe anymore. That changed like a couple of weeks ago.
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Pri
With Magnus or before that.
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Aaron
It's really with, like cloud 37. It's just better. And it's like a little bit more. It has like a little bit more autonomy. It just runs with it. So you'll just sit there, you'll ask it to do something, and then it anticipates what you want to do next and just does it. So you're just like sitting there like five, six minutes later you like checking on it again.
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Aaron
It's like and that that time period is going to extend. I feel like that's sweet time.
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Gmoney
Well, it's it's funny because, I think I saw a tweet last night or this morning about somebody being like, cursor should have like, this, a bell function so that, when I, when it's done coding or doing whatever I ask it, I know that I can stop watching the YouTube video that I'm watching in order, to check the work.
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Aaron
I mean, honestly, like, I just check Twitter now, like, I feel like it's actually increased the amount of time I spend on Twitter just because it's like a good break from programing.
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Chris
Now. But my time on Twitter is way up. I need to start following more people because yeah, like you can only have you running like three foul video gen models at a time or you know, like there's a lot of that going on or you're like, well, I don't know. I've got like three production studios whizzing H 100 to play Doom scroll Shitpost you know, like how many open threads can your brain have?
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Aaron
Yeah, exactly. Like you can play like what? Yeah. 2 to 3. Right. So it's like reading whatever slobs come in through Twitter and then it's like going back to your creative work. And it's like a weird, nice feedback loop where I'm, I'm like pretty comfy and happy.
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Chris
All you need is, some college hockey playoffs or you'll have the Mets in it, because.
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Aaron
Yeah, actually, that'd be great. Yeah, like a good sports game on the background. Perfect.
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Chris
Gary, Keith and Ron just, fill in the air space. Well, you've you've pushed petaflop ops over a network.
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Aaron
Sounds great. That's the American dream, Chris. That's the American.
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Chris
Dream. I, we're hearing two visions of the future, right? Like, it sounds like g is going to become the Rick Rubin of luxury wellness. Maybe he's going to hop along as Martha, and then you and me are just going to be overclocked under second screen, generating content. Zombies.
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Aaron
Absolutely crazy. Yeah. Like, if you like, sign me up.
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Gmoney
I'd be like, it's very both though, because, like, as much as I just talked about, you know, my easy living coffee lifestyle concept, I also am like crazy looking forward to catching up on all the stuff I missed on I over the last like eight days because I was traveling and I'm like, you know, I know I'm gonna be glued to my screen for like six hours, like testing all this cool stuff out, figuring out how I can, like, implement any of it into my workflows.
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Chris
Yeah, G it's insane. Like, I got Tuesday right? I was talking to do in Australia. You know, we're just catching up. And I was like, yeah, yeah. So I, you know, I spent the last three weeks kind of learning video editing and making music videos. Get my hands around the whole thing. But now I've kind of maxed out what the models can do.
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Chris
And so I'm going to take a break and go back to editing my book. Two hours later, I discover Header Labs, which is now like doing video lip syncing. And like this whole new layer is unlocked and that I like, crank out yet another music video, but for book is like, dude, can you fucking edit me? And like, not paying attention to like, rapid advances?
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Aaron
I, you know, send that to Chris. And I think that book's going to be great. You shouldn't give that one up.
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Chris
I've, Yeah. No, I've come to peace with, like, I'm writing a happy, optimistic tech utopia story, and I'm just going forward with it. I can't wait to get your notes.
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Pri
I want to read it.
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Chris
I'll give it to you.
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Pri
Let's do it. We. By the way, Chris, the videos with the music videos that you've put together with Hadreas, it's like probably some of the best work I've seen.
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Aaron
Yeah. Maybe you want to describe that, Chris, because I feel like you're kind of pressing towards what? Like I JD Vance inspired media is going to look like where it's not just a rotating balloon JD Vance head with curly hair, but one that's singing to you.
00;20;50;17 - 00;20;53;03
Pri
If that's AI's greatest achievement, I'm fine with it.
00;20;53;04 - 00;20;54;28
Gmoney
That's that's the.
00;20;54;28 - 00;20;57;13
Aaron
Singularity right there.
00;20;57;16 - 00;21;04;03
Chris
MTV 2.0 on demand. That's all we as a species have been striving towards.
00;21;04;06 - 00;21;04;16
Aaron
Yeah.
00;21;04;22 - 00;21;26;06
Chris
You know, like ultimately my goal is to be able to do long form narrative storytelling in any, any sort of format. Right. And so like, I, you know, like writing is my big creative outlet, but I want to render all this stuff up. You know, one thing, I as soon as Jen and I came out, like the light bulb that went off for me was everything is based in text.
00;21;26;06 - 00;21;49;03
Chris
It all sits in language. And you can then once you have like a good story at once, you have, you know, a good song or like just good words where you can then render that in the forms you can put that into, like are all wide open to you. And so right now, you know, we're the models are out and where the tech is at, you can't you can't do realistic long form storytelling.
00;21;49;03 - 00;22;06;11
Chris
Right. But I still need to learn how to use these things and get comfortable with them. And so I've been making music videos, you know, just to get my hands around it. And it's funny, like I have like I'm sitting on a 22 track album that I made was, you know, while watching hockey, you know, of course. Right.
00;22;06;11 - 00;22;30;22
Chris
But I would write my book during the day. I would be a human. I would participate in antiquated rituals such as family dinner. And then, you know, when the kids go to bed, I'd go downstairs, throw their sports ball on and like, make songs. And so now I get all these songs and yeah, I've just been, like, slowly working my way through making music videos for him to get my hands on things.
00;22;30;22 - 00;22;49;20
Chris
And it's funny because, like in our world, right? Like, we understand these things, we show them, you know, we kind of know what they can and they can't do. And we're comfortable, like seeing the stuff I showed to my wife for a show, to a friend of mine. They have no fucking clue what to make of it. You know, they're they're they're like looking at you like, oh, so you've lost your shit,
00;22;49;22 - 00;23;08;25
Chris
Okay, I'll humor you. And so but you got to lean into the absurdity of it right now, like, I. Yeah. The last video I made, it was really like, I'm going to make, like, a Hype Williams style. I slob video and it it came out pretty crazy. So I'm having so much fun with it.
00;23;08;27 - 00;23;11;15
Gmoney
Chris are you posting these on on Twitter?
00;23;11;17 - 00;23;17;13
Chris
Yeah. You follow my account up. I've got the last one. It's called Andre Home Brand. You can see it on there.
00;23;17;20 - 00;23;47;13
Aaron
But I think it to me it's like it's you can kind of see that the beginning of the phase shift starting to happen there, Chris. Right. Like where? Like that more complicated orchestration of music, audio visual is starting to come together and it's still a little bit rough, but it becomes easier to kind of see that future happening or you're going to you're going to be able to generate on the fly, you know, like 1 to 2 minute video, like videos may not even be music, right, that are that are really high quality, pretty engaging.
00;23;47;18 - 00;23;52;02
Aaron
Right. And they're going to be everywhere. So that part's like pretty pretty exciting to me.
00;23;52;09 - 00;24;10;18
Chris
Yeah. No we're we're getting there. Like right now that's a four layer cake. I got to write a song. And you know, I got to generate reference images in Midjourney. I then got to feed like all those reference images into video models. And then I got to go like edit that in a result. Right. And so that's where we're at right now.
00;24;10;21 - 00;24;29;17
Chris
And none of these things are particularly hard. But like you got to be, you know, kind of like commercial grade like prosumer grade, you know, decent at like four different things, which, you know, is a bit of a stretch. But like, none of them are hard. You just need to be comfortable, like playing across a big playing field.
00;24;29;22 - 00;24;51;28
Gmoney
Yeah, that that reminds me of when I made that, that video, with succession with like 90 sec placements in there and utilizing crypto, crypto, Twitter, copypasta like that took me to your point where it's like it wasn't hard. Like all the tools existed. It just was time consuming, right? I think that took me like 60 hours on my own.
00;24;52;00 - 00;24;56;19
Gmoney
And that's going to get down to like, you know, 30s over probably the year.
00;24;56;21 - 00;25;09;15
Aaron
Yeah. Like that cap cut TikTok, you know, sub brand. I feel like the next generation is so good at that already. They're gonna just go ham once those tools cross like a Rubicon.
00;25;09;20 - 00;25;10;09
Pri
Oh, yeah.
00;25;10;09 - 00;25;29;24
Aaron
It's going to be wild. I do think you need like, funny content though, because like, like that AI generated slop that just sounds like robotic. That needs to level. It's maybe even more than four layers, Chris. Maybe it's like 5 or 6, right? But did you guys see that Sesame audio service just open source. Their, their, voice model to it's like much more expressive.
00;25;29;26 - 00;25;31;08
Aaron
It looks pretty powerful.
00;25;31;10 - 00;25;35;05
Gmoney
That that was one of the things that I have highlighted, to look into this weekend.
00;25;35;05 - 00;25;52;14
Aaron
There is sesame. Yeah. I feel like, you know, putting aside this, you know, stuff, Chris, like, if you get, like, a pretty good narrator. Right? With pretty good content from a more creative LM plus the audio visual stuff that you've been you're, like, on the bleeding edge of. I just feel like that's it's like it's coming.
00;25;52;17 - 00;26;14;29
Chris
Yeah. I have a pretty strong feeling that by the time I'm ready to release my book, that it will come out as a book form. It will have like, a full soundtrack to it. The soundtrack will love music videos to it. There'll be an audiobook version of it. Yeah. And I can, like, create slop like a slop podcast discussing it.
00;26;15;01 - 00;26;18;16
Aaron
And you should be translated into 96 languages or whatever. Yeah.
00;26;18;20 - 00;26;22;08
Pri
And the 90, since you can do the merge, let's go.
00;26;22;11 - 00;26;24;06
Gmoney
There we go. Full stack.
00;26;24;10 - 00;26;26;07
Pri
You just created you just created a whole lifestyle.
00;26;26;12 - 00;26;31;29
Chris
I have like guy in the basement lifestyle.
00;26;32;01 - 00;26;50;13
Pri
Kind of on the music note, because I saw this pop up on Twitter and I found it to be interesting, I sent this. You got sent this tweet you. But it was like a survey where they showed like ten poems to people, and they told them whether they were authored by a human or not told anything. And we've kind of been told that poetry is actually like, not so bad with the albums.
00;26;50;13 - 00;27;08;07
Pri
But what was interesting is that, like the respondents liked the AI poems better based on this, like across the board and then telling respondents a poem is I make something, it's worse, and then telling them it's authentic makes them think it's better automatically. But the interesting part is like the magnitudes of it. So I'll I'll put that in the show notes.
00;27;08;07 - 00;27;22;20
Pri
But like I thought, I found this like tweet thread to be compelling and interesting because my, my feeling is just with poetry and music kind of being somewhat aligned to humans. I, I would think that music would have a similar outcome to this study to.
00;27;22;22 - 00;27;47;21
Chris
Yeah, the people have a big hang up about AI music right now, and it's understandable, you know, I mean, I almost view it more as like a different form of writing than I do actually making music. Like it's to me, it's like writing in taste. You know, writing in and your ear, like, it's certainly not like I'm. I never claim to be a musician, you know, I just enjoy, like, having a new form of writing to play around with.
00;27;47;23 - 00;27;52;26
Chris
So crypto's that bad, That we're just going to talk about generative AI is the entire you know.
00;27;53;03 - 00;28;13;29
Aaron
I don't think that crypto is bad. You know, I, I was noting this, pre before we hopped on that I feel like it's almost like the election to me where I'm reading, like, certain things. And then my brain is telling me something else. And I have, like a tremendous amount of cognitive dissonance right now, and I can't I feel like we're in the fog of war, Chris.
00;28;14;01 - 00;28;15;18
Aaron
Like, that's that's really what.
00;28;15;18 - 00;28;17;15
Pri
I think the timeline might be wrong.
00;28;17;19 - 00;28;18;00
Aaron
Yeah.
00;28;18;06 - 00;28;20;25
Gmoney
Can you give up? Can you give an example? Aaron I just.
00;28;20;25 - 00;28;53;24
Aaron
Like, you know, you see you see from the the US like activity to clarify things like there's just so much of it it's even hard to process like you had. That's it. Saying that we're going to maintain dollar's supremacy via stablecoins. Like what you know you have clarification related to meme coins. You have both houses of the US Congress basically repealing bad laws from the previous administration and then pushing through pretty difficult committees to push through legislation related to stablecoins.
00;28;53;27 - 00;29;07;07
Aaron
You have, I don't know, like a tremendous amount of of activity that you're seeing even in startups. Like there was a huge round with a, company called iron that was like a bridge competitor yesterday.
00;29;07;09 - 00;29;09;18
Pri
Oh, yeah. The the Moonpig. Yeah.
00;29;09;20 - 00;29;33;05
Aaron
You're seeing, you know, lots of people talking about building out or lots of entities talking about building out, you know, either Bitcoin reserves or strategic reserves of some sort, not just in the US but globally. It just all like feels like I was talking to somebody yesterday and he's like, it's like all the crazy things that people said ten years ago, they're like actually happening right now.
00;29;33;05 - 00;29;50;17
Aaron
Yeah. At the same time, like the market and the sentiment is like at an all time low. I just feel like it's like the Solana meme coin balloon just popping. And there's like, what about like 80 that $80 billion in value? Meme coin activity that's probably going to get divided by ten and just pulled out of the market.
00;29;50;17 - 00;29;54;19
Aaron
And I feel like we're just kind of waiting for that to happen. In a weird way.
00;29;54;21 - 00;30;18;17
Gmoney
I agree with you there on like, you know, I think if you had told any of us three, two years ago that these would be the headlines, people are like, oh my God, like Bitcoin's at 200 K in that scenario or higher, right. And we're all very, very happy I think like, right. I agree with you. I think probably a lot of the air got left out from the meme coin cycle.
00;30;18;21 - 00;30;48;21
Gmoney
But I also think right now I think just crypto is just a macro asset at this point where I think the real question is, are rates too high, how the inflationary is the data coming out right, like China's either exporting deflation already or about to Doge is very deflationary. AI is very deflationary. So it's like I think people are like trading crypto as a macro asset at this point, which is also, I think like a little interesting because the gold is at all time highs.
00;30;48;23 - 00;30;56;07
Pri
Yeah, I don't I can't reconcile like gold just being literally at an all time high in Bitcoin, just flailing despite all the positive.
00;30;56;13 - 00;31;17;14
Gmoney
I think I think part of that could be the potential audit of Fort Knox, which like for decades people have been saying has been like under, under like it doesn't have the stock that like they say they have. So I think that that's probably what it is, maybe like people speculating or covering or whatever it is which is causing like some sort of a bid there.
00;31;17;14 - 00;31;39;17
Gmoney
But like the way I just see it is like, I think that we probably have a little bit more pain to go in terms of time. I don't know what that means in terms of like down move, because I do think I do think that we're probably going to get some sort of deflationary pressures and hopefully in the next, you know, 60 to 90 days, the fed starts saying, all right, we need to start using.
00;31;39;17 - 00;31;56;02
Gmoney
And that's probably where to your point of like the cycle just beginning, you know, starts happening. And then at the end of the day it's not a four year cycle. It's probably just like you just look at interest rates, look at monetary policy. And you know, when things are tight, cryptos down, when things are lose cryptos up. Maybe it's just as simple as that.
00;31;56;06 - 00;32;05;21
Aaron
Yeah I mean maybe that is just like the the simple way or the simple story. Maybe I'm on the wrong side of that. I'm in the middle of the bell curve a little bit on some of this stuff.
00;32;05;27 - 00;32;14;06
Pri
But on the four year cycle, though, I mean, thinking about that, do you feel like we were in a bull market ever like, I don't I think that it's actually been four years.
00;32;14;06 - 00;32;15;15
Aaron
I don't buy the cycle stuff.
00;32;15;17 - 00;32;21;02
Pri
I don't really care. But like if you wanted to actually buy it though, hasn't it? It's been a four year bear.
00;32;21;06 - 00;32;31;12
Aaron
I yeah I never bought that. I know people feel like it's like clockwork. That just feels too neat and crisp for me. Like that's not how markets work. And the last pullback was pretty brutal.
00;32;31;14 - 00;32;33;23
Pri
It was also Covid, which was it was kind of.
00;32;33;25 - 00;32;50;19
Aaron
Like a lot of weird stuff going around that. And I don't know I just I look at like core innovation and I'm just only starting to see that now. So that just feels like a better way to evaluate it, at least from, from in my mind. So Chris, back to it. Like I, I'm, I'm like I'm just trying to honestly keep up with some of the policy news.
00;32;50;19 - 00;33;09;13
Aaron
It's like it's fast and furious and I it feels like a lot of that stuff is really coming into focus. And it does feel like, at least for folks that maybe are bullish, they're just consolidating down into Bitcoin because it's kind of like an easy it's an easy move if you're more of a trader trader person. It gets pretty easy right now to be long.
00;33;09;13 - 00;33;19;00
Aaron
Bitcoin with all the strategic reserve stuff and conversation just around it being used and kind of fulfilling its vision as like a reserve reserve asset.
00;33;19;02 - 00;33;40;24
Chris
Yeah. And there's so much going on right now. You know it's really hard to separate signal to noise out there. I do think alts, you know, are just structurally cooked. And whether or not we are in a cycle or not, like I think alts clearly have been left behind because they're just such a, a poorly structured category right now.
00;33;41;00 - 00;34;20;04
Chris
And, you know, there's there's absolutely no incentive to one touch them, you know, and then a lot of the stuff you're talking about, Aaron, we can't speculate on, right. Like, you know, the, the stablecoin dominance, you know, and it's emergence as like the thing in crypto, I mean, a stablecoin is literally a stablecoin. And so, you know, I do feel like we are sort of resetting this industry or washing it out, you know, as part of the maturation where you know, the old like wild speculation and making money out of thin air phase of the event is is starting to, to end.
00;34;20;04 - 00;34;32;21
Chris
And so like I think some of that dissonance is the industry itself is moving forward. But it's moving forward in ways in which, like, you know, your crypto Twitter punter can't can't play along.
00;34;32;23 - 00;34;40;25
Aaron
Yeah. Like it. It's like it's moving beyond. It's like retail fades into like an institutional one. And they'll always be that retail activity.
00;34;40;28 - 00;34;44;18
Pri
And that's where network states come in.
00;34;44;20 - 00;34;54;22
Chris
Pretty like are you free? Are you still trying to exit? Are you still looking for a perfect, new geopolitical structure in which to wedge yourself?
00;34;54;25 - 00;35;28;10
Pri
I actually don't want to join a network state, you know, just because I don't necessarily need to be around people the same. Like ideological bent, I don't know, or whatever. Just, like, be in this kind of utopian vision of the world. I kind of like a little bit of chaos, but I think it's inevitably going to happen. Increasingly, just like with the Nablus people, the aeaac people, the amount of the amount that capital is going to be more valuable and the amount of power with the amount of power people with capital will have.
00;35;28;12 - 00;35;50;15
Pri
To me it feels like, yeah, we have 200 ish stations now. Why not a thousand? You know, it's becoming it's starting to hit a more like mainstream consciousness that I just can foresee in the next ten years. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if we had like, you know, a couple legitimate economic special economic zones that pop up. I think that, like most sovereign countries will be okay with that because it'll bring in the people with capital.
00;35;50;17 - 00;36;01;09
Aaron
But I think once you get like robotics and like localized manufacturing, you can start to make yourself a little bit more self-sufficient in ways that probably weren't feasible before.
00;36;01;14 - 00;36;09;01
Pri
There is an economic zone that's actually popping up focused on actually human manufacturing and robotic manufacturing in West Texas.
00;36;09;09 - 00;36;10;17
Aaron
Human. What is that?
00;36;10;17 - 00;36;17;19
Pri
They're like want there's like they're next to a bunch of like manufacturing towns. They're going to like bring those people into this like easy. Oh yeah.
00;36;17;21 - 00;36;20;06
Chris
Lexus will not leave the machines behind.
00;36;20;09 - 00;36;35;25
Pri
Yeah. No they're not. I need to get more info on it. But, yeah, I was talking to our friend Baron about that actually this week, and thought it was kind of interesting. He he visited, I think one of them. There's one in Texas right now at around Austin that's going on that.
00;36;35;27 - 00;36;47;13
Aaron
But Chris, can you see that if you could afford, like, like a mercenary army of robots like, would it that wouldn't that be pretty self-sufficient? You could defend yourself.
00;36;47;16 - 00;37;12;11
Chris
No, I mean, their skills, you know, self-sufficiency, the spectrum. You're certainly not spinning up, tech, a billion chip fab in your little, network state. There. So, like, you're always going to have supply chains. But, yes, I suppose. Right. You can have your, like, drone defense Corp and your consumer goods, manufacturing, you know, zone.
00;37;12;13 - 00;37;13;14
Gmoney
Yeah. Or like, but.
00;37;13;15 - 00;37;29;13
Aaron
I just think there's a lot there's going to be a lot of, there's a lot of, like tailwinds that are pushing kind of more localized manufacturing. I think that's how the US kind of gets back. It's like manufacturing might just through like low cost look more localized, kind of like artisanal manufacturing.
00;37;29;17 - 00;37;31;22
Pri
That's literally what prototyping wants to do.
00;37;31;24 - 00;37;46;24
Aaron
Artisanal manufacturing. Yeah. I just feel like I can feel it coming. Right? Like the 3D printing stuff's going to get better. Like hardware is going to get easier to make. You know, people are just going to, like, have more of these localized places where they can, where they can manufacture, like, everyday things.
00;37;46;24 - 00;37;56;28
Pri
That's literally what this prototype is doing. They're giving $1 million to five hardware companies to build on this 50, 554 acres outside Austin. And like, people already applying to do it.
00;37;57;04 - 00;38;05;11
Aaron
Yeah. And it kind of fits like that American self-sufficiency kind of ethos, which I feel like there's a little bit of clamoring for.
00;38;05;13 - 00;38;18;25
Chris
By the way. You know, everyone says bring American manufacturing back. Our manufacturing output is at its highest rates ever. It's just not a major contributor to, labor. You know, the way it was back in the 70s.
00;38;18;28 - 00;38;49;16
Aaron
Yeah. And I think this is like the, like the, the end state of that. Right. But what I kind of picture is more like, you can do runs of 1 to 5000 items, like test it out online through like online distribution channels and like scale it up like a bit more or like if you have some device in your house, you don't need to get it from, you know, far, far flung place like you could probably, like, just have a local place that can spit out a TV for you or something like that, or probably even a computer screen.
00;38;49;18 - 00;38;51;02
Aaron
All these tech devices.
00;38;51;02 - 00;38;52;05
Pri
Everything's a computer.
00;38;52;09 - 00;39;05;26
Aaron
Or just would just get cheaper, right? But like, why do we need to buy a TV from another country? If you could just literally manufacture one like in your neighborhood, and if it breaks, you're just like, oh, I got to go to the local manufacturing plant. I mean, doesn't.
00;39;05;26 - 00;39;07;29
Pri
3D printing just take a lot of this?
00;39;07;29 - 00;39;27;04
Aaron
Yeah, yeah. Or even like home devices? Yeah. More physical things. I just think a lot of that stuff is just going to get a lot easier to do. And when you don't have to pay human to put it together like furniture. Right. You could just have like some robot assembling it, like cutting the wood, painting it. Why would you go and get it from even, like the local manufacturing place?
00;39;27;04 - 00;39;30;03
Aaron
That's a, furniture making place. It's in another state.
00;39;30;06 - 00;39;33;06
Chris
Aaron's declaring war in North Carolina. Here.
00;39;33;08 - 00;39;36;14
Aaron
It isn't. I thought there's a lot of furniture in the northeast, right? It's not like.
00;39;36;14 - 00;39;38;10
Pri
Boston, High Point, North Carolina. It's a.
00;39;38;10 - 00;39;40;26
Aaron
Lot. Oh, in North Carolina. Yeah. All right, that's fine.
00;39;41;03 - 00;39;53;26
Chris
Pre. You can just make a thousand of a thousand prototype run at anything. What are you making? You're living in Aaron's, manufacturing co-op. Where do you crank it out?
00;39;53;29 - 00;40;06;29
Pri
There was like a startup I saw that was doing this, and I really like it. And this is kind of a nod to to G on the podcast, too. But I feel like hyper tailored, customized clothes would be really nice. Yeah, that just, like.
00;40;06;29 - 00;40;07;28
Aaron
Never get it back, but.
00;40;08;01 - 00;40;15;16
Pri
Yeah, like, just fit you, you know, perfectly. I think would be I would, I would print some pretty dope clothing.
00;40;15;18 - 00;40;16;23
Aaron
What would you make Chris.
00;40;16;26 - 00;40;27;12
Chris
I'll, I'm here and free and, I want some clothes that actually fit like. But part of the reason I'm not a very stylish person is, like, most clothes don't fit me, you know?
00;40;27;14 - 00;40;29;05
Aaron
Or you are a tall guy.
00;40;29;07 - 00;40;43;16
Chris
I'm, like, stuck in, like, Hoka dad shoe land because Nike doesn't want to make, like, a size 12.5 for sneakers anymore. I'm signing up for tres, Robo Italia. How I like to think of.
00;40;43;18 - 00;41;02;04
Aaron
I think that gets a good thesis for like, how things diffuse. Like things that were once luxury just become mass market like. It's super luxurious to get something custom tailored, right? Yeah. The generation ago is super luxurious to, like, have somebody drive you around. Now everybody gets that at the click of their phone. It's like an Uber.
00;41;02;06 - 00;41;02;25
Pri
Yeah.
00;41;02;28 - 00;41;04;19
Aaron
I could definitely see that. What do you do in.
00;41;04;21 - 00;41;34;26
Gmoney
The, I think that the world is, is headed towards that. You know, hyper customization. And I think we're just waiting on probably like the manufacturing processes to get to where probably like our software and imagination processes are. You know, that was kind of like the whole thought process we had when we did the collab with Snow Pro, where it's like, at some point in the future, I think you'll be able to walk into any store and be like, I like this design, but I want, you know, this, this silhouette, but I want it design like this and the like.
00;41;34;26 - 00;42;01;18
Gmoney
All right, coming right up. It'll be ready in like 20 minutes. But I think we we need to wait for, like, the manufacturing processes to get there. Right? Because I think everything has been designed for how do you make 100,000 of these or whatever? Right. How do you do this at at scale? And then I think now we have to start re-engineering these manufacturing processes for how do you make 100,000 unique pieces of these.
00;42;01;20 - 00;42;21;08
Gmoney
Right. And I to me, like I think the biggest bottleneck from what I've seen is just what's what has what is manufacturing for the last hundred years is just, you know, make 100,000 copies of the same thing. And now we're just probably going to start moving towards that era of how do you make 100,000 unique pieces and have to be consistent.
00;42;21;10 - 00;42;22;09
Pri
Yeah, I agree.
00;42;22;15 - 00;42;41;00
Aaron
I think by mid maybe the end of the decade, I think that's going to really start to blossom. I think. So like that's the yeah me. And then Chris you will not only get hyper customized clothes but hyper customized golf clubs so that you can just crush all your competitors on the I guess it's not the field. And of course.
00;42;41;00 - 00;42;46;06
Chris
The guys like also with her like leagues better than me, I don't I don't want I robot cheating.
00;42;46;08 - 00;42;52;16
Aaron
If you want to mop up somebody, just invite me out. I'll make sure you don't have to worry. Know you're with me completely.
00;42;52;19 - 00;43;03;10
Chris
I yeah, today is going to be interesting. I haven't swung a club in a long time trying to pull my back out, but even getting around the chorus hobbled and crippled, is a great day out.
00;43;03;16 - 00;43;04;23
Pri
As long as you're outside.
00;43;04;25 - 00;43;13;03
Chris
Yeah, I'm escaping the I slob for a change. This is my. This is my alter ego. The guy who just goes and golfs and doesn't worry about the future.
00;43;13;06 - 00;43;15;04
Pri
It's so funny. I don't even know that guy.
00;43;15;06 - 00;43;15;29
Aaron
Yeah.
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Chris
I like that.
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Aaron
I like. Well, I think you mentioned this last week. We live in, multiple dimensions to ourselves now. Totally online. Offline.
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Pri
Yeah. I feel like my digital personality is, like, very different than, like, my friend.
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Aaron
One. Yeah, I'm sure it is. All right. Maybe we should call. Yeah. Chris, you got it.
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Chris
You got to answer.
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Chris
For.