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TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays from 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with full episodes posted to Spotify immediately after airing.
Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” TBPN has interviewed Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. Diet TBPN delivers the best moments from each episode in under 30 minutes.
Microsoft is making some waves because they jumped. They were on True Social scrolling as they do. Their comms department was probably like, what's going on? No. Of course, they were talking to the North Trump administration.
Speaker 2:Have you ever scrolled True Social, by the way? It's like five ads for every one post.
Speaker 1:The ads are crazy. And they're crazy. They're crazy. Crazy. The ads are like, are you a real patriot?
Speaker 1:Yes or no. And no matter what you click, you just immediately go on to the next phase of the funnel. And then they'll just be like, glad to hear it, Patriot. How about $200 donated? And you're like, actually, 100.
Speaker 1:And they're like, dollars 200 it is. Okay. I'm clearly clicking an entire image that just has buttons there. They're not actually buttons.
Speaker 2:They have a Truth Social ETF now.
Speaker 1:Wait. What? What what's in the Truth Social ETF?
Speaker 2:Invest in the Patriot economy.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay. I wrote about Microsoft and how they are negotiating the political backlash to AI data centers, increasing power prices. Donald Trump posted on Truth Social. He he and and the key the key line in here is really, you know, he's talking to all the American tech companies, but mostly he wants to make sure Microsoft is going first, and they will make major changes beginning this week to ensure that Americans don't, quote, pick up the tab for their power consumption in the form of paying higher utility bills. There's been a number of AI backlashes that have happened over 2025.
Speaker 1:The new technology came out. Everyone was there's a lot of excitement in '23, '24. In '25, things got serious. The numbers got really big. The impacts got big.
Speaker 1:And the stories about the potential risks to the rewards started cropping up.
Speaker 2:One of the challenges is the early AI generated videos were pretty bad. And so people were like, these are bad. My power bill is going up. I don't like this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what's the point?
Speaker 2:Now this move from Trump and Microsoft almost seems a little late because the videos are getting
Speaker 1:They're really good. Right? So I
Speaker 2:think people might start saying, hey It's totally worth it. It's actually totally worth worth it. You saw those four cats on the boat? That was
Speaker 1:I haven't seen that one.
Speaker 3:Pull it
Speaker 2:up, Tyler.
Speaker 1:We gotta see that.
Speaker 2:Find the four cat.
Speaker 3:See, I
Speaker 2:think most people would see this Yeah. And say, can we get some sound? There's no
Speaker 1:yeah. There's no amount of of power bill.
Speaker 3:It's pretty fun. Okay. Turn it off. Turn off the sound.
Speaker 2:But anyways, I
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's
Speaker 2:worth it. Worth it. I think
Speaker 1:It's worth every penny. Clearly. Yeah. Yeah. You see that in your
Speaker 3:in your yeah. I I
Speaker 2:I think most people would see their power bill ticking up
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And realize that they're getting this content for free. They got to pay for it somehow. There's no free lunch.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Course. Power bill narrative is the one that I think stuck the most. The water debate was sort of debunked pretty quickly. There were a number of just it seemed like mathematical errors in some of the reporting that was claiming that data centers used a lot of water.
Speaker 1:And then you just talk to the data center guys and they're like, yeah, we actually we do use a bunch of water, but then we recycle it and we just circle around and we actually don't dump it out and waste waste it. There were other AI backlash narratives that were cropping up. The one shotting stories were very harrowing, and a lot of people experienced someone who sort of went off the rails, went GPT psychosis. Like, that one felt real. But it also seemed very preventable with aggressive guardrails.
Speaker 1:The power one was tricky because with power, the data seemed real on the actual price increases. You looked at the power usage numbers and then you just see demand is increasing. Supply is staying flat as it always has been for decades in America. We haven't been building a lot of power infrastructure. When when demand increases and supply stays flat, we know what happens to prices.
Speaker 1:They increase. This is basic supply and demand. 67% wholesale electricity price increase if you're near a data center. So basically, if you're within 50 miles of a data center, this is probably affecting you in some way, although it's there's a huge amount of variation. Even if you were able to pass that cost on to consumers, which is what's happening in the short term, it's starting to actually cause delays in data center build out.
Speaker 1:So there's $64,000,000,000
Speaker 2:Yeah. One thing here that I think is worth noting is consumers have very real reasons to push back. It's not like if they don't have a local data center, they can't use AI product. This doesn't impact them at all. Maybe there's I
Speaker 1:jobs that don't think we a data center. Come I feel like I'm missing out. I want
Speaker 2:one.
Speaker 1:I want one. There's empty buildings up
Speaker 2:the We joke about moving the show to Abilene. It's not like, hey, there's a new football stadium being built, and suddenly you're going to be able to go walk.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like, you could be a football fan. But even if you're an AI fan, you're like, I don't need it in my backyard.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You're just like, I already have all the products. The big thing. It's like, power bill goes up, what do you get in return? Nothing.
Speaker 2:Aura. Aura.
Speaker 1:Dollars 64,000,000,000 in data center projects are currently held up, and they face delays or cancellation because of opposition from local communities who say, we don't want this data center because prices are going up. Now there's a couple of other reasons. Some communities are still focused on the water issue. There's environmental impact questions, noise pollution during the construction process, and even aesthetics. There are some people who say, not in my backyard.
Speaker 1:I just don't want a big White Square Building. Yes, there's Walmart there, but I know a guy who works there, and I know the cashier. And I go there, and I walk in the data center. You'll never go in. Interestingly, the anti AI issue is seemingly very bipartisan.
Speaker 1:Data center watch, which is this, research group claims, in the affected districts, the opposition is 55% Republican, 45% Democrat. So pretty much just across the board a bipartisan issue. And tech has obviously been worked very closely with Democrats in the past, worked very closely with Republicans more in the more recent history. But now they're facing
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think it's easy for people in tech to say, oh, these are Luddites, blah, blah, blah. But it's actually not that. What's the incentive? Why do I want this?
Speaker 1:Especially because it's going to get built somewhere. It might as well not be in my neighborhood. It's the easiest NIMBY argument to make. So Trump picked up the story on Monday. He says he's working with American tech companies to make major changes to ensure that Americans don't pick up the tab for their power consumption.
Speaker 1:We're gonna talk more about how that actually works out in the form of higher utility bills. Microsoft stepped up first, and I think the first mover advantage here from a messaging perspective is pretty strong, actually. I think it's a very good move. Now to be clear, this isn't entirely new for the hyperscalers. Google actually has a program called the Clean Transition Tariff, where they overpay for electricity in certain markets, certain data centers, and Amazon pays a surplus above electricity costs already.
Speaker 1:But Microsoft is unique in the timing and in the volume of the announcement, like it's a whole story in The Wall Street Journal. Microsoft is planning to be, I think, completely net zero on the carbon emissions by 2030. And by 2050, they want to be so carbon negative that they will that as a company, since the dawn of Microsoft in the seventies, they will have emitted negative carbon emissions over the entire life cycle of the company, which is interesting. So Microsoft's exact language is they are committed to paying high enough electricity rates to cover the electricity costs of the data centers so that they aren't passed on to consumers. Now a true free marketer is probably against this.
Speaker 2:It would be cool to see a Microsoft liquid death collab for water that was used in a day to day Used water?
Speaker 1:The diehard free marketers would argue that the government should stay supply and demand issues. Let prices rise, and there will be more of an incentive to build more power generation capacity. Prices will stabilize naturally. But there are political realities, and new capacity cannot be brought online in the blink of an eye. It takes time to build these things.
Speaker 1:Even if you're just going with natural gas, it takes time. There are backlogs. Basically, Microsoft and the big tech companies, I think, will be saying, hey, look, we want no excuses from power companies to ramp up production, ramp capacity, and so we're willing to pay higher Hopefully, can pass those that revenue on into bringing up capacity. It seems like Microsoft can afford this. So some numbers.
Speaker 1:Electricity represents 40% of data center OpEx, about 7,000,000 annually per major facility. Now Microsoft has over 400 data centers. And so energy is a significant line item, I think, like, dollars 3,000,000,000 a year in electricity, something like that. That's very rough. You probably got to go to semi analysis for the real number.
Speaker 1:But $3,000,000,000 in energy costs for $245,000,000,000 in revenue, Microsoft's going to be Okay. If they pay a 50% premium on all of their electricity across the entire portfolio, They were talking about a billion dollars of extra cost. That's less than 1% of their operating income.
Speaker 2:Satya is simply the GOAT. He's my GOAT.
Speaker 1:He does he does appear to be the GOAT.
Speaker 2:No. I think it's I think it's super smart. I think it was inevitable. Trump needs this for the midterms. He's putting pressure on everyone, right?
Speaker 2:Credit card stuff, data center stuff. We'll see more of this and being the first mover ultimately. Only the first mover, the one that sort of says, hey, yeah, we're excited about this, is the one that gets any credit, right?
Speaker 1:Tyler, what was your reaction to this news? You're in favor of data center subsidies, right? You want data centers to pay lower rates because it's more valuable to have
Speaker 2:Government backed data centers Yes. Electrical subsidies.
Speaker 1:You gotta feed Claude.
Speaker 4:I mean, I I just think like this is kind of disappointing because it it just it's telling me that like if you imagine we have like a real free market
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:There should be already insane incentives to build new energy supply. Yep. And that's obviously not happening because energy price would be going down. Yep. They're going up.
Speaker 4:This is telling me that in the future we're not gonna build nearly as much energy power as we want Yes. Or at least on any kind of like short term scale.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It does feel I I think it feels like the energy market as a whole is is is at least in the short term much more zero sum than people thought.
Speaker 2:Taiwan Semiconductor last week spent $200,000,000 at a public auction to buy 900 acres of land adjacent to its existing Arizona property, which will reportedly be used for the planned new facility. So we're still waiting on this Taiwan trade deal. It seems like as part of that, TSMC will expand their operations in Arizona.
Speaker 1:And they are basing their design for this off of Costco warehouses, Nick here.
Speaker 2:Tom Leonard Mhmm. Candidate for governor in Michigan. This isn't a joke. A friend of mine was offered 70,000 an acre for her farm by a data center company. 11,200,000.0 total.
Speaker 2:This is what big tech is doing in Michigan. Joining us somebody willing to basically overpay for farmland in Michigan.
Speaker 4:Yeah. I I remember on the University of Michigan campus, there's like these stickers and posters everywhere that are like stop the AI data center or stop the data center build out.
Speaker 2:And that's when you knew you had to drop out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this place is not fixing. Oregon rejection.
Speaker 2:Think this is shared as an example of big tech doing a bad thing, but I don't know, 11.2 is a lot of money. The USDA says the average Michigan farm real estate value is $6,200 per acre.
Speaker 1:So paying over 10 x the price.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Mean, who who knows? I mean, it's they could easily be paying a premium Yeah. Because of this land specific location or proximity to other projects that they have. I wouldn't be surprised if some land maxers are going out and just buying up
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Buying you know, why wouldn't you try to buy up the farmland in proximity to some of these other projects in hopes that you somebody comes to
Speaker 1:you. Wonder how real this text message is because I get a lot of spam.
Speaker 2:My wife got a spam text today that just said, babe, I dropped my phone and it broke. She immediately texted me and said, this isn't you. Right? Oh, interesting. Pretty interesting interesting kind of like loop to get somebody and and to I I imagine, send send me a thousand dollars so I can get a new phone.
Speaker 4:Remember the text that Ben got? He was asking him if you wanna get steaks.
Speaker 1:What? Oh, that's That that's was the best spam. Was the best spam ever.
Speaker 4:He said, let's get steak tonight.
Speaker 1:Let's get steak tonight. I mean Sure. Just like, yes. There's more details about that Apple Card deal that Jamie Dimon worked through. We should pull this up.
Speaker 1:Behind the unraveling of Apple's credit card partnership with Goldman Sachs, after two years of negotiations, one of the biggest credit card deals of all time will see Goldman replaced by JPMorgan on Apple's credit card. In early December, a long delayed deal hung over a call between JPMorgan Chase chief executive Jamie Dimon and Goldman Sachs CEO David Solon. Executives of the two banks had been negotiating for months on trading the massive Apple credit card program and its roughly $20,000,000,000 in balances, but the talks had stalled. Privately, bankers on each side were blaming the other side for needlessly slowing down the negotiations. You're moving too slow.
Speaker 1:JPMorgan had secured a discount on the balances, but to help cover potential losses, Goldman executives, meanwhile, didn't feel the need to bend much. Diamond and Solomon got on a call on December 8. They discussed why the Apple deal was taking so long to close and agreed to break the logjam to see the deal through soon. Just before the New Year, the banks finalized a deal that was announced last week confirming The Wall Street Journal's earlier report. The deal brings two of the country's most influential companies together.
Speaker 1:JPMorgan is adding the flashy program to its credit card lending operation and strengthening its connections to the trillion dollar tech giant at a time consumers are increasingly using phones and watches for payments and managing their finances. Apple gets a new partner with a sprawling consumer base that is eager to build the card. Goldman gets closure on its failed venture into consumer lending that has brought the firm billions of dollars in losses, a chapter it is hoping to forget. OpenAI is going to be running another Super Bowl ad. It's in The Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 1:OpenAI to run ad during Super Bowl. Oh, we got it. Let's
Speaker 4:Let's go. At these guys.
Speaker 1:Do have the technology. AGI is here. Okay. So there's a someone throwing a spear. We create fire, then the wheel, then the wheel with spokes, then the horse.
Speaker 2:The horse created the horse.
Speaker 1:Wheel. Man created corn. Created corn. They should use a corn song. Freak on a leash.
Speaker 1:That's the song they should license. And a and and then a nod to corn. I mean, the motion design is incredible. Like, it is it is a very well done piece. So you go inside the skeleton, build the seven forty seven, take a look at DNA, invent movies, TV news, that's us.
Speaker 1:They go to the moon, somewhat equally important, create the Internet, and then you start talking to the computer. And now The merge. You AI. What
Speaker 3:do you want to create next?
Speaker 1:And then you get the blue ChatGPT dot. I love this. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It was just not necessarily I
Speaker 1:didn't need a Super Bowl ad for me. Yeah. I needed a Super Bowl ad for the Clydesdale crowd, right? The people who are maybe on the fence about AI.
Speaker 2:This year I expect it to be much more pragmatic.
Speaker 1:About what you can use to do something.
Speaker 2:Exactly how they want the average American to think about ChatGPT
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yes. Where it integrates into their life. But I expect that this will be the AI Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:You think they'll be even more at?
Speaker 2:I'm sure they will.
Speaker 1:So for context, tech companies across Anthropic, Google, Microsoft, OpenAI, and Perplexity collectively spent $333,000,000 on linear TV ads promoting their AI offerings in The United States just last year. They also shelled out $426,000,000 on digital ads and more than triple their twenty twenty four outlays. Anthropic kicked off its first major push into advertising in September and has been blanketing NFL, NBA, and college sports games with ads for its clawed chatbot. It shelled out an estimated 16 and a half million dollars on linear TV ads in 2025. While OpenAI's first big game ad positioned ChetGPT as the next significant advance in human innovation, drawing parallels between AI and transformative inventions such as the light bulb, more recent ads frame the technology as a relatable tool.
Speaker 1:Which way will OpenAI go in the new Super Bowl ad? We'll see. In its ads, Anthropic has been positioning Claude as a partner for problem solvers rather than a threat to human intelligence.
Speaker 2:Super Bowl ad concept. We are not a threat to human intelligence. We are not a threat. Don't worry about us.
Speaker 1:Yeah. How about a Super Bowl ad
Speaker 2:that says We hear you. We hear that you're concerned. Five percent chance of annihilation by end of year.
Speaker 1:Gemini introduced a more personal Gemini today designed for you. Personal intelligence, they're calling it. Personal intelligence draws insights from across your Google apps to provide truly customized responses for Gemini. Learn all about it below. They say Gemini already remembers your past chats to prevent to provide relevant responses, but today we're taking the next step forward with the introduction of personal intelligence.
Speaker 1:You can choose to let Gemini connect information from your Gmail, Google Photos, Google Search, and YouTube history to receive more personalized responses. Gemini will be able to suggest hidden gems that feel right up your alley for upcoming trips or work travel because it'll know where you've stayed before, where you've been. Shopping. Gemini will get to know your taste and preferences on a deeper level, help you find items you love faster. Motivation.
Speaker 1:Gemini will have a deeper understanding of the goals you're working towards, look at your to do list. Privacy is central to personal intelligence, how you connect other apps to Gemini. The new beta feature is off by default. You can choose to turn it on, decide exactly which apps to connect, and can turn it off at any time.
Speaker 2:Were sick of switching between constantly switching between calendars and Chrome Yep. And having your personal calendar Yeah. Calendar. Get ready to be sick of switching between LLMs.
Speaker 1:It includes Google Workspace. Google Photos is sort of interesting. I wonder if that plays into, you know, Nano Banana. You can have, you know, more suggested images. Hey, do you wanna touch this photo up?
Speaker 1:Do you wanna create some sort of holiday card? Like what Chattypity ultimately wound up doing with
Speaker 2:Go through Google Photos and turn me into a dinosaur in every photo I've ever taken.
Speaker 1:Set the GPUs on fire for sure. Anyway, let's move on to this story about David Ellison, the the Sun King of Hollywood. With help from his billionaire father, Larry, David Ellison is trying to become the biggest studio mogul in history. One weekend in 2006, Dean Devlin, a movie producer, was driving across Los Angeles to deal with an emergency. His new movie Flyboys had opened that weekend to reviews so bad that one of the stars has had abruptly checked into the hospital.
Speaker 1:On his way to visit the actor, another potential crisis appeared on his phone. I was terrified when the phone rang, and it was Larry Ellison. Devlin made a name for himself with a string of blockbusters in the nineteen nineties. Stargate, Independence Day, Godzilla. Wow.
Speaker 1:What a run. Six. But he struggled to come up with the money to make Flyboys, a script about a band of World War one fighter pilots. Then, in a stroke of luck, he learned that Ellison, the founder of Oracle and one of the world's richest men, had a college aged son named David who was not only trying to break into Hollywood, but was also an amateur pilot. David even had a nascent film production company with an aerial name, Skydance.
Speaker 1:Larry agreed to help fund the movie, which cost $60,000,000, and Skydance was listed as a producer. David, meanwhile, got a plum role alongside James Franco as a pilot named Eddie who can't shoot straight.
Speaker 2:Come on, Eddie. Can we try to find
Speaker 1:climactic fight scene. We try to find
Speaker 2:in Flyboys?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Let's watch the Flyboys trailer. I'd love to see this. I I haven't I actually haven't seen this movie.
Speaker 3:Looking back. We had no idea what to expect. Franco?
Speaker 1:Maybe this is the movie to watch this weekend.
Speaker 3:Nothing in common. Accept. Enjoy. I wanted to learn to fly.
Speaker 1:No. That's a cool shot.
Speaker 3:Gentlemen, you have bravely volunteered to preserve freedom.
Speaker 1:Can't them tell you We
Speaker 2:gotta turn this I think that's David. Right?
Speaker 1:Oh, really?
Speaker 2:Six weeks.
Speaker 3:Guy sure knows how to make friends. All these friends out there. This is your quarters. Frenchie sure put on a nice walk.
Speaker 1:That's him. Yeah. That's him. Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 3:Got any objection to move. Let's go. To the main. Hurts. Good luck to rub your me?
Speaker 2:I definitely saw this movie as a kid because I just love I love playing.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Will
Speaker 3:we be back by lunch?
Speaker 1:There he is. We'll be back by lunch. This is a pretty sweet movie for about 2,001.
Speaker 2:Worth the 60,000,000. They underpaid. They underpaid.
Speaker 1:If you're if you're a fan of of hyperscale and data center build out and data center construction, like the rest of
Speaker 2:us Gotta be watching Flyboys.
Speaker 1:Gotta be a Flyboys guy.
Speaker 2:Devlin thought he knew why Larry was calling. Flyboys had bombed at the box office and Larry stood to lose millions. As it turned out, Larry wasn't all that stressed about the money. He had spent tens of millions more just trying to win a sailing race.
Speaker 1:Sick.
Speaker 2:He was however concerned about his son, the actor in the hospital. Wait.
Speaker 1:Woah. Woah. Big deal.
Speaker 2:The reaction to Flyboys had so unsettled David that he was experiencing an episode of atrial fib fibrillation. This is bullish. Yeah. This is bullish. Was so upset about losing that he went he was hospitalized.
Speaker 1:That's crazy.
Speaker 2:You think he's gonna lose Warner Brothers?
Speaker 1:Maybe not.
Speaker 2:I Maybe don't he's
Speaker 3:coming back and getting it.
Speaker 2:This I is a guy you want.
Speaker 3:Yeah. This is good. Okay.
Speaker 2:He was thinking that whole weekend, just lost my dad a bunch of money. Wow. He was upset about letting his father down. Larry told Devlin to make sure David knew he was still proud of him. Why boys was the humble beginning of the Ellison's family's adventures in Hollywood.
Speaker 2:After giving up on acting, David spent more than a decade building Skydance into a player in the blockbuster business, financing such hits as Top Gun, Maverick Crazy. And Mission Impossible series along with a number of largely forgettable movies. Right. He was in other words a producer like many others in in town. Then last year David's father put up billions to help him buy Paramount, one of Hollywood's legendary movie studios and a company more than 10 times the size of Skydance.
Speaker 2:This past fall, the Ellisons set their sights on an even bigger prize, Warner Brothers. At 43, David is now the first millennial, let's give it up for the millennials, to control a major Hollywood studio. While running Skydance, he built a reputation as someone with an earnest love for the kinds of action packed blockbuster movies he adored as a kid and the money to actually make them. But his pursuit of Paramount and now Warner Brothers had revealed an empire building streak in line with his father, is currently the fifth wealthiest person in the world. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:It's possible to sum up the divergent fortunes of the tech and entertainment industries over the past twenty years in the simple fact that when Flyboys came out in 2006, Larry was worth 18,000,000,000 and couldn't afford Paramount, which was valued at 22,000,000,000. Mhmm. By last year, the 6,000,000,000 Larry spent to help David buy the company barely made a dent. What the Ellisons want with their conglomerate individually and together will affect the future of what appears on all kinds of screens, and the relationship between father and son has provoked no shortage of psychoanalysis.
Speaker 1:Larry wasn't around much when David was a kid, one of the only similarities in their very different childhoods. Larry was born in New York City in 1944 to an unwed teenage mother who gave him up for adoption at nine months old. His adopted father, Louis Ellison, was a Russian immigrant who took his last name at Ellis Island. And a foundational part of the Larry Ellison story is that Louis regularly told Larry he would never amount to anything. Why did you adopt this nine month old kid just to dunk on him?
Speaker 2:Maybe Larry should write a book called Hardcore Parenting. You know, people talk about soft parenting. Right? You wanna, you know, you know But Hardcore Parenting. It's like wake up every morning, tell your children you can never amount to anything.
Speaker 1:For a senior thesis, David wrote, directed, and starred in a thriller called When All Else Fails, in which he plays a billionaire's son who has to rescue his diabetic girlfriend from kidnappers before her insulin runs out. That's an interesting frame for a plot. According to people who worked on the production, David was respectful and eager to learn, if a bit oblivious to the ways in which he wasn't making an ordinary student film. The budget was close to 100,000. While David inherited a love for movies from his mother, it became clear that if he wanna stay in the business, he needed to think more like his father.
Speaker 1:David wanted to be an actor. And when that didn't work, he was like, if I'm not gonna be on screen, I'm gonna be the biggest guy in the room. So Andy Kessler was an investor who worked with David to raise money for Skydance early on, and they had a rule. They said, he swore to me, no rom coms, no touchy feely emotional Oscar Oscar bait. Just explosions.
Speaker 1:The Skydance thesis, according to a person that worked closely with David, was that Hollywood wasn't prepared for the overwhelming economic force of a Silicon Valley billionaire throwing around his wealth and ambition. Plenty of dumb money came into town, but producers and talent mostly viewed it as something to take advantage of. Money in Hollywood is not appreciated. This was an opportunity to reverse that to make Hollywood treat money with respect. We gotta respect the dollar.
Speaker 2:Some funny dialogue happening. I'll fill you in. The Cal Shi market, will Elon win his case against OpenAI? Was at a 36% chance this morning.
Speaker 1:What's it doing now?
Speaker 2:He asked, what are the odds looking like? They responded. Now Elon is posting, I've lost a few battles over the years, but I've never lost a war.
Speaker 1:Elon said that.
Speaker 3:I just posted
Speaker 1:this. Oh my god.
Speaker 2:Matthew McConaughey is taking a novel legal approach to combat unauthorized AI fakes, trademarking himself. The actor plans to use trademarks of himself saying, all right, all right, all right, and staring at a camera to combat AI And
Speaker 1:the print headline is actor is not alright with AI fakes. I love it. Over the past year over the past several months, the Interstellar and Magic Mike star has had has had eight trademark applications approved by The US Patent And Trademark Office featuring him starring, smiling, and talking. His attorney said the trademarks are meant to stop AI apps or users from simulating McConaughey's voice or likeness without permission, an increasingly common concern for performers. Maybe we'll have to get a trademark on.
Speaker 1:You're watching TBPN, so we will get paid when someone generates a deep fake of us. The trademarks include a seven second clip of the Oscar winner standing on a porch, a three second clip of him sitting in front of a Christmas tree and an audio an audio of him saying, alright. Alright. Alright. His famous line from the 1993 movie Dazed and Confused, which I know you haven't seen, but I don't think I've seen Dazed and Confused either.
Speaker 2:It doesn't seem like they're gonna trademark this and then go to Chattypete and say like, hey, you wanna license my likeness? It feels like he realizes the value of like doing a handful of big deals with a Salesforce Sure. And probably wants to keep keep doing that. It'd be interesting to see if every all talent needs to go and and Buy on trademarks? Buy trademarks?
Speaker 1:Certain at a certain level. Started saying yes to all the apps that can track me prompts. The Internet is now noticeably better with more relevant and less spammy ads. Apple did us all a disservice and misplaced emphasis on privacy. He says, get into the targeted advertising flow.
Speaker 1:You wanna see good stuff?
Speaker 2:Hit yes. Well, speaking of targeting, Hermes is allegedly stalking their clients. A Glitz investigation has revealed that Hermes employees are googling clients' home addresses to determine whether they have a prestigious enough address to be deemed worthy of a Birkin or a Kelly. Hermes is also allegedly scrutinizing client's social media accounts and the content they post. After a quota bag is purchased, they continue to monitor for resale activity which if detected results in immediate blacklist for the Yeah.
Speaker 2:No surprises there.
Speaker 1:I think OpenAI should do this with their device. And they sell those?
Speaker 3:They should they should say, oh, you know, we there you know, there's a quota. There's an allocation. We'll try
Speaker 1:and get you in. But
Speaker 2:No problem.
Speaker 1:We're really not using ChatGPT all that much, and the questions you ask aren't that interesting. So, you know, I don't think we're gonna be able to get one for you. I know, by the way, you know, AirPods, we were debating, is the OpenAI device gonna cost a $100, $300? I think they gotta do, like, 30 k. I think it's gotta be, like, 30 g's.
Speaker 3:And we'll
Speaker 2:see it tomorrow. We really can't wait.
Speaker 1:We can't wait. 11AM Pacific. We'll be here Back. Live.
Speaker 2:More great guests. Goodbye. See you guys soon.