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Hello and welcome to another Zelda podcast. My name is Kady, and I'm here with my lovely cohost, David. David, how are you doing today?
David Geisler:I'm doing well, I'm so happy to be lovely.
Kady Roberts:Oh, well, I'm happy that you're happy to be lovely. You got to sleep in a little bit today, you said?
David Geisler:Today, my normal lifestyle allows me five and a half hours to six hours of sleep. That's just where my schedule's at. I can't. Can usually I make do with six. I do well with six.
David Geisler:But, well, example, the first two nights, the night, yes, this last night I slept in for eight hours. I was very excited. So, I was like, I kind of woke up at six hours and I was like, no. And I slept for another two, which was great. And, the reason that is is because I had to catch up a little because the previous two nights, had only slept for about four, four and a half hours because Yeah.
David Geisler:A bit like your new job where you get up really early in the morning now. Mhmm. 03:30 or something I think is when you get
Kady Roberts:up these days. Thirty.
David Geisler:With your new job at, WBEZ, which is my favorite radio station in Chicago by the way. Really? Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
Kady Roberts:Oh, it's really great there. If you ever, like, are hankering for a job, look there for sure, because it's it's good.
David Geisler:I just pulled up speaking of radio WCRX. The WCRX sticker in my pocket, which is of course the our Columbia College I forgot. Radio station.
Kady Roberts:I needed to tell you something too about WCRX, kind of. It's more about the teacher. Or no, not even the teacher. It's about Tom. Tom Joyce.
David Geisler:Tom Joyce.
Kady Roberts:The career director there.
David Geisler:Yeah. Met her. We're just emailing with him yesterday, sorry.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. No, you're fine. I don't know if it's gonna have I think it will, because last I checked with him it was. After I posted I had my job at WBEZ, he reached out to me and was like, hey, in December there's a battle of the bands talent show kind of thing, do you want to be one of the Cool. And I was like, absolutely.
Kady Roberts:So, I gave him my email, so I'm assuming, that was kind of the last of the conversation, I'm assuming when it gets closer he'll send me an email on Yeah. But, I'm really excited for that, because I wanna, I'm waiting until like, the day I hit my three year mark, reaching out to Tom Joyce and being like, so about teaching.
David Geisler:Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Kady Roberts:Because I've been bugging him about it for like, the last year and a half.
David Geisler:Every time that I'm I just saw Matt yesterday because of my independent project for the Legends Awakened stuff, and there's always little seeds about eventually teaching a podcast course. Yeah. It's equally exciting and also equally terrifying because you're kind of like, Oh, don't want to get my dreams up, my hopes up. Know what I mean? Yeah.
David Geisler:Because I feel like things could go so many different ways. But anyways, I digress. Yeah. So, yeah, getting up early. Right now, I'm a manager of a retail store and there are days on Tuesdays specifically, then on the weekends, depending on the weekend, I have to, literally turn the key, put my key in the front door and turn it at five 05:45AM.
David Geisler:And so that means I'm up around four or so. Yeah. So I'll you're up a
Kady Roberts:little bit
David Geisler:before me
Kady Roberts:not that by that much.
David Geisler:Yeah. And certainly not that it's a competition or anything, but Well, I feel you for the, on those days, I have to I have to go to bed at 10PM to even get six hours to wake up at four. And this past Monday, I was editing some Legends Awaken stuff.
Kady Roberts:Which sounds really good so far, by the way.
David Geisler:I'm really excited about it, and thank you. Maybe I'll throw something up on Patreon or something, but I don't know. This thing's coming. It'll be coming out. I think our first well, the first okay.
David Geisler:This is too much for a public episode. We were talking Yeah. You guys give it to show.
Kady Roberts:When it comes out.
David Geisler:It'll come out when it comes out.
Kady Roberts:You guys will know about
David Geisler:here. You probably January you know, 2026 or whatever. And so that was great. It was nice to sleep in this morning. Oh my Lord.
David Geisler:I guess we're both a little Yeah.
Kady Roberts:For different reasons.
David Geisler:So Uh-huh. Katie Mhmm. What are we talking about today?
Kady Roberts:I am really excited about our topic today. I hope it turns out as good as I'm thinking it's going to. So, when we did our little pitch meeting, we're coming up with ideas and I was like, it was on the sheet already, it was armor of Zelda games specifically, it was like clothing and armor of Breath And, of the we were going back and forth, like, sort of favorites, but in my head, I'm like, how would we do a favorites? Because I feel like, it would just be like, look at this picture.
David Geisler:I like the green Yeah. Like the Zoro
Kady Roberts:What can we do? Because I liked that idea a lot, and I thought, why don't we do a deep dive where we, but kind of me, because I wanted to take the reins on a deep dive.
David Geisler:That's kinda how deep dives work. Yeah, pardon me.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. No, you're fine. I think I might have done the deep dive for the Gerudo episode, but other than that, I haven't done any deep dives. Mhmm. I've just kind of like, listened and been like, in awe at when you do it.
Kady Roberts:So, I wanna do a deep dive on the armor of Breath of the Wild, and specifically its correlation with real life influences, and also kind of, the practicality or usage of it within the game.
David Geisler:Yeah, I love it.
Kady Roberts:And like a more not through a game lens, and like a more realistic lens,
David Geisler:which is Oh not gosh. Well, it's my turn to sit in awe. I can't wait. That's gonna be an absolute blast. And I also realized I might have accidentally prepped you.
David Geisler:I might we might have gotten into the topic before we did our listener feedback.
Kady Roberts:That's okay. We can do a listener feedback and then hop into it.
David Geisler:This is crazy.
Kady Roberts:This is crazy, David, that we can pivot.
David Geisler:This podcast? We can do anything.
Kady Roberts:Here. I gotta get this pulled up, though. I'm not gonna lie. I
David Geisler:was slacking a little bit here. I can vamp for you. I can vamp the I think we're also specifically looking at like the armor and stuff in Breath of the Wild. Yeah. I think there's a version where we could look into some of the other games and all of that.
Kady Roberts:I if everyone enjoys this, let us know, because I would be very open to doing another one like this. I, know nothing about clothing. I learned everything about it by doing this. Okay. Researched for this, and I really enjoyed it.
David Geisler:Cool.
Kady Roberts:So I'd be really open. But yeah, this is gonna be specifically Breath of the Wild clothes without the DLCs with the exception of the, Royal Guard Okay. Outfit because I kind of forgot that was just in the ballot DLC, and I already did my notes on it, and I wanna talk about it.
David Geisler:Think that's in that first little wave of DLC. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. That's great.
Kady Roberts:But I have listener feedback here and ready. So
David Geisler:The power.
Kady Roberts:This is on, I'm looking at you, Apple Podcasts.
David Geisler:Sorry. Yes, it
Kady Roberts:is. Yes, okay.
David Geisler:I wasn't even looking.
Kady Roberts:Alright. Five stars from Rob Daman, Minnesota listener. It says, okay, fine. I like Breath of the Wild. Love the pod.
Kady Roberts:I grew up with the console Zelda franchise, and have loved every title except for two. When Breath of the Wild came out, I had mixed feelings. In fact, after finishing, I immediately started to play, started up another playthrough of Twilight, my favorite Zelda game. Mhmm. I felt the same with tears, but after listening to the borderline annoying level of positivity on your podcast, I started another playthrough of Breath of the Wild, and dot dot dot, I'm really enjoying it.
David Geisler:Oh, that's wonderful.
Kady Roberts:I'm taking it slow and just walking around, taking all taking it all in. I had forgotten about the dragon wrapped around the mountain, which was a great moment.
David Geisler:Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:So, thank you for forcing me to play this game the way it was intended. I'm gonna try Tears again next. Okay? Fine. I like Breath of the Wild.
Kady Roberts:I honestly agree a lot with you, but specifically for Tears, because I did not take my time with Tears, and it's a game that I feel like I didn't appreciate enough, and I do need to go back and replay it at some point. Yeah. Because at the time, I was finishing it for, the Zelda Dungeon episode that we did Mhmm.
David Geisler:As a
Kady Roberts:collaboration, and so I was like, I just need to get this done.
David Geisler:I remember you like powering through the Goron stuff while we were at It Zelda was like homework.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. So it turned more into homework and more into me just speeding through things, so I would like to go back and replay that one.
David Geisler:It takes it takes a minute to adjust to the play style in Breath of the Wild and Tears. Especially when you've spent twenty to twenty five years playing the, I guess you could say classic style of
Kady Roberts:Zelda I mean, I I experienced the opposite where I played Breath and then went to play Link's Awakening, and I immediately turned it off because I'm like, what is this? But now it's great. I love it.
David Geisler:Yeah. Absolutely. Here we go. I've got love this pod from Robbie c one five three over on Apple Podcasts. He gave us a five star review.
David Geisler:Thank you so much. Love the Legends of Zelda games, although I've only played Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom and Skyward Sword. And I've loved all the games. Thanks for an amazing podcast, seven green heart emojis. Yeah, Robbie.
David Geisler:Thank you so much. I feel like that's the natural for anybody who was introduced to Zelda through Breath of the Wild on the Switch. This is a very natural thing. It's like you play Breath, you and then tears, there was Skyward Swords on the Switch, and then you can kind of do the the Link's Awakening remake on Switch. There's a lot there's a lot to offer
Kady Roberts:on Yeah. So this one is over on YouTube. This was from our favorite Rideau episode. This is from Anne of Red Gables '23. I'm playing Breath of the Wild on my channel right now, and I can't wait to run into Cas.
Kady Roberts:My experience with him is kind of similar to David's in that when I first played the game, I found him a little annoying. But, when I But then, I played the DLC and read a great fanfic where his character was much more fleshed out and kind of fell in love with him. I was so disappointed when it turned out he wasn't in tears. Me too, bestie. I keep looking for him and eventually looked it up online because I couldn't find him.
Kady Roberts:I'm honestly still a little upset about it. Great episode as always. Love you guys. I really wanted to include that comment, because I'm a big fanfic reader.
David Geisler:Okay. Right now.
Kady Roberts:Fun fact about me, literally, was telling my roommate last night, I'm like, alright, time for me to, go lay in bed, read fanfic, and go to sleep. So, I kind of have experienced things very similar, especially with the Zelda characters where a lot of it is not as fleshed out.
David Geisler:Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:Where you will go online and someone online will make a great fanfic about a certain character, or like flesh out a side character, and all of a sudden you see them through a whole whole new lens, and you are like desperate to see them in the games.
David Geisler:I gotta ask you. Mhmm. I'm I'm a fan as well. That's cool. Maybe I'm being a little like OCD about this.
David Geisler:No. But do you ever feel like, uh-oh, I'm accidentally taking non canon lore and and placing it into canon lore?
Kady Roberts:Absolutely. There have been times where I've mixed up my facts about something that has happened because I, in my head, was like, I like that headcanon, and I kept thinking about it so much that I accidentally was like, oh, this is something that happens in this game, whatever. And, I've had to stop for a minute and be like, no, I read about that. I see. So, no, absolutely, that is something that happens, and that's why you do kind of have to be careful when you get into that space, and that's where a lot of infighting can happen, because a lot of people, their headcanons become canon to them, and then a lot of people butt heads.
David Geisler:And they're like, This character is the greatest. And they're like, why? There's nothing.
Kady Roberts:Well, they're like, this person has these parents and because of this. And then the other person's like, well, no. They're an orphan because of this that happened, and neither of those things ever happened. You know.
David Geisler:I see. I see. It'll be interesting. We have a, I think it might be the Ocarina of Time manga that we're gonna do towards the end of this season. Mhmm.
David Geisler:And those are, like, canon, but kinda canon adjacent where they flesh a lot of things out. Yeah. And, it'll be interesting to see how we react to the to to that one. I have not read the Ocarina of Time manga. I've I've read the Twilight Princess one.
Kady Roberts:To see if it's, canon or canon divergence. The a o three people will know what I'm talking about there.
David Geisler:Okay. This is a comment from our little heroes of legend episode, over on YouTube, which is our twelfth episode of season seven. Triforce Liz again here says, this is such a rich topic since there are so many important and or cute little guys in the entire series. You're bound to miss some. I immediately thought of all the cute little Goron, Zora, and Gerudo kids in the wilds era.
David Geisler:Yeah. Love it. Though one of my favorites is Axel from tears of the kingdom.
Kady Roberts:I forgot about him.
David Geisler:I did too. Okay. We got we have gotten so much feedback from this episode about Really? About so many people thinking of other little kids and characters that we completely missed. And that just goes to show how many there actually are in Zombies.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Know. Axel's great.
David Geisler:Maybe around two sometime in a future season would be fun. Axel from Tears of the Kingdom, a Goron kid with a safety hat on who usually sits in the hot spring. After you free Goron City, that little guy sits there with the biggest smile on his face, and it makes for the cutest picture I've ever taken in the game. Yeah. Also baby Siden.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Baby Siden. I didn't include baby baby Siden simply because he is technically an adult when you play the game, but I also agree. He's, like, the cutest thing in the world. I love him.
David Geisler:Yeah. That's great.
Kady Roberts:Awesome. So thank you guys as always for the lovely feedback. But now, I just wanna kind of dive headfirst into this. If you guys who wanna follow along online, I know if you go over to like the Zelda Wiki, for Breath of the Wild, they have all the armor in alphabetical order and you can just kind of click on the link and see the pictures. That's what I used as kind of reference when I did this.
Kady Roberts:But, I wanted to start with one that there's not much to be said about, and that is the well worn outfit.
David Geisler:Okay.
Kady Roberts:Just what you straight out of the gate, basically. Yes. Starters, everything's too small.
David Geisler:Yeah. Ripped up pair of pants go to the shins, the shirt only goes to half the forearm.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Everything's too small, arms, legs, tattered. It's kind of like a common fantasy peasant outfit from like, ye olde medieval times That would in a way. Yeah. It feels like it's made out of like a sack.
David Geisler:Yes.
Kady Roberts:You know? The shoes look like they're made of some kind of leather, probably because in those times it's easy to hunt, and especially deer, and just make things out of that. Yeah. So, that's really all there is to said about this. It's too small.
Kady Roberts:He's clearly not the first person to wear it, hence, well worn outfit.
David Geisler:Well, yeah. It's because in the game, it's the basically, first two chests you search. Mhmm. From a mechanics point of view, they're teaching you that you can search a chest. They're teaching you how to Yeah.
David Geisler:Put clothes on. It all makes sense. It's very reminiscent of the very first Legend of Zelda game where you go up into the cave to get the sword to learn that you can get items. Mhmm. And I do feel like basically it's kind of like a light light lore in that it's like, okay, we're just gonna have a torn up shirt over here and a torn up pair of pants over here.
David Geisler:Yeah. You know, maybe someone else had left them there or something.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. So, with the well worn outfit aside, I am just gonna be going through alphabetical order Cool. From now on, it's little bit easier to follow along if you want, and also because my notes are written that way.
David Geisler:Love it.
Kady Roberts:So at the top of everything is the ancient set.
David Geisler:Okay.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Ancient set is made by Robbie specifically, and it grants you guardian resistance, which is really nice.
David Geisler:It makes it kinda look like one too. Yeah, it
Kady Roberts:makes it kinda look like a guardian, which is probably why you have a little bit more resistance to it. It's made of the same material that they're made out of.
David Geisler:Oh, right, of course.
Kady Roberts:Yeah, you, in order to get it in the game, you have to bring Robbie the parts for it. It's pretty simple, know, black skin suit. There's a lot of eyes on it. But what I do find interesting is that, even though it has a lot of the eyes, kind of like a guardian, it's more reminiscent of like, the ancient towers than anything else.
David Geisler:Yeah, you're right.
Kady Roberts:And the way that the patterns are, the coloring of it, even like, the really tall helmet, it just looks more like the towers. The helmet does have a nice little chin strap though Thank you. To keep you keep it on while you're moving around. But, what I think is really smart from a technical point of view is it doesn't fully cover everything, which on one hand, you would think that's really bad. It's not covering his vital organs, like, it's not covering his stomach area Yeah.
David Geisler:Right. Woah.
Kady Roberts:Or some of his leg area. But the reason for that, in my belief, so they're leaving his kind of knees and hips and everything kind of open for a little bit of easier movement. Because with the Guardians, they're constantly having to run and dodge and look around. So I think that might be the reason why that's left a little bit more open. It's a little bit more vulnerable, but you're still able to move while being protected.
David Geisler:Alright.
Kady Roberts:Just kind of smart.
David Geisler:It always that armor always feels like it weighs a lot even though the animation doesn't change. Feels Exactly. Thick and heavy, you
Kady Roberts:No, it absolutely does. It feels like it's almost made out of like some some sort of like a clay or
David Geisler:something. Yeah. Agree.
Kady Roberts:The way it looks.
David Geisler:Yeah. Yeah, totally.
Kady Roberts:So next is the barbarian set.
David Geisler:Wait. I wanna Yeah. Often do you find yourself wearing that one? Never. Technically, me either.
David Geisler:Like, I put it on for a few seconds.
Kady Roberts:I'm gonna say. But the reason for that is because I don't like to fight guardians. They still scare me.
David Geisler:I see.
Kady Roberts:Did you did you ever get past that? Did you ever be like, I'm just gonna go hunt guardians?
David Geisler:Get past that? I don't know what you're
Kady Roberts:For me, like,
David Geisler:Oh, the scariness?
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Like, I'm still like, I don't wanna be seen by these
David Geisler:things. I mean, you get to a point where your sword is so strong towards the end that you can kinda just walk up to them and start slashing their legs off.
Kady Roberts:Uh-huh.
David Geisler:And I I don't think I would ever go hunt them per se. But if they were in you know, in the beginning of the game, you actually like, you're choosing whenever you're getting near the castle or even the ancient area, I guess that you could say to the west of the castle, which I think is a ton of fun. It's terrifying. They're everywhere. You're sneaking around on purpose.
David Geisler:Yeah. And because then once they see you really pretty much, you just got to get out of there. But I don't know if I would hunt them, but I would start to towards the end of the game. Not true. Yeah.
David Geisler:I'm gonna go over there and I'm just gonna go whack and thwack and and, you know, knock all the little legs off. And when you get the motorbike in the DLC at the end of the game, you can absolutely just like outrun the lasers and just kind of drive around and they're just shooting and they can't even keep up with you. Yeah. So when you get to that point, I don't even know if it's a game anymore. You're just like in god mode So
Kady Roberts:my next set of armor that I have is the barbarian set, is a personal favorite of mine. So, it gives you increased attack damage, which kind of calls to barbarians in media with like the D and D's barbaric rage and that kind of thing. And it's also it's designed after fantasy barbarians specifically. Kind of how you would think. So, it's like a very short ripped kind of like skirt tunic thing, very short just like shoulder pads with the fur.
Kady Roberts:There's a lot of natural elements in it just because of them living off of the land. What I do find interesting though is the helmet is this skull. Yeah. But it doesn't look like any of the monsters in the game.
David Geisler:I agree.
Kady Roberts:It kind of looks like a Lionel, the horns are wrong. Mhmm. So, that does beg the question of, is this some creature that has been long extinct and they found the skull of it. What is this thing? I find that kind of intriguing.
Kady Roberts:But I will say the shape of the helmet, especially the way the eyes are shaped, it's very similar to a Viking helm. Just obviously viking helms were not made of bone, but just in the relative shape of it.
David Geisler:It has hair in the back too, doesn't it? Does. Like a big, yeah.
Kady Roberts:Has big red hair in the back, which is kind of confusing, because you're like, how is that attached? But it's very cool looking. And with the hair, there's also a lot of fur placed all throughout it, kind of, which ironically, a lot of them wore fur because a lot of barbarians were in harsh environments, because why would you go pillaging if you could get everything you need from the land? Yeah. They couldn't.
Kady Roberts:So, they covered themselves in fur, is why this has a lot of fur, but it's also very open and very revealing. So, it's like, that fur's not actually doing anything for you. But it does look amazing.
David Geisler:I'm realizing there's a lot of midriff. There's a lot of Link midriff
Kady Roberts:in Oh, they they let the ladies in, for this this Yeah. No. This is this is a good game. That being said, he does have a couple different silver pendants which look a lot like, Celtic pendants around him. Just drawing the inspiration from that.
Kady Roberts:What I did find interesting is he isn't barefoot, which a lot of barbarians in media that look like this tend to be barefoot. Yes. He is not, which I find
David Geisler:interesting. Oh, yeah. It's like the big boots or something, right? Wait, I'm trying to remember.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Well, it's not even boots. I can actually show you the shirt that I of it. He has kind of like sandals on.
David Geisler:Woah. It's like boots that turn into sandals. Wait. It's like sandals with like
Kady Roberts:a It's sandals with just like Yeah. Wrapper. Yeah. Calf fur
David Geisler:around it.
Kady Roberts:Is very odd. But, you know, he's got a bone on one of his arms. Yep. It looks like it comes from one of the skeletal monsters in a way. It's kinda built the same.
Kady Roberts:And I was trying really hard to find something on the purple paint on him for an inspiration.
David Geisler:Right.
Kady Roberts:But I was really struggling to find anything. I was looking in all sorts of different cultures. There's not really anything for the exact design. But what I did find is in a lot of, like African tribes, the purple color of like body paint tends to mean like royalty, luxury, wisdom, passion. So it could be a call to him working for Zelda, or it could just be that they're like, this is a cool color.
David Geisler:It is cool color.
Kady Roberts:But I like to read into things.
David Geisler:No. Like that a lot. I like that a lot. Also, did you know that if you go to, not Robbie, the the dye guy, with the with the barbarian suit, if you dye it different colors, obviously the dye changes from purple to other colors, but the patterns of that dye changes too. Really?
David Geisler:Play around with it sometime.
Kady Roberts:That's very cool, I did not know that.
David Geisler:How often do I you wear this
Kady Roberts:wore this one a lot.
David Geisler:Really?
Kady Roberts:I liked the attack damage, and also I'm a huge sucker for Vikings Yep. And Norse mythology and stuff, so even though this technically isn't accurate, I really like this armor set.
David Geisler:It's like in that direction.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. It's in that direction enough that I enjoy it.
David Geisler:I think at the end of this episode too, I want to ask you which ones that you found you would like mix together the most or something like that. We can talk about it later. Yeah. Kind of making your own outfit out of, you know, all the different kind, but anyway.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Climbing set is next.
David Geisler:Okay.
Kady Roberts:Climbing set's very cool. Obviously, it lets you climb faster up the mountains, but it also gives you, jump stamina.
David Geisler:Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:Like, extra jump stamina. So the way this one is built, it's very smart. It takes a lot of real life inspiration. So, for starters, the wrists are bound Yep. To kind of help with any pain and kind of to keep them in place while you're climbing.
Kady Roberts:And that being said, Link does have some rock climbing gloves to kind of keep his palms from getting stabbed by any sharp rocks, but his hands are his fingers are free for like that sharp grab, his some of his fingers are wrapped for like calluses
David Geisler:Yeah.
Kady Roberts:Which is kinda cool. It's I like this game's armor because there's a lot of small details like that. When you're rock climbing, you have to have really thin clothing, so it doesn't snag and kind of tight. Yep. Specifically the legs.
Kady Roberts:So, Link's leg, Link's pants, excuse me, are kind of this elastic material. Here I can even show you.
David Geisler:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Remember.
David Geisler:Yeah.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Kind of this elastic material, that allows for a lot of free movement, but
David Geisler:Tight to the knees, I'm seeing there.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Tight to the knees, make sure it doesn't snag on anything and it doesn't get in the way of your legs at all. But the shirt is a little bit baggier, tucked in, so it still doesn't snag, with that way you have full range of movement with your arms.
David Geisler:Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:Also stop me if I feel like I'm just
David Geisler:I'm loving this one.
Kady Roberts:Hot on talk talking, but
David Geisler:I'm I'm I'm trying to allow the, the deep dive nature here. Trying to not interrupt too much or anything.
Kady Roberts:His rock climbing shoes look like the exact same pair that you would buy in real life.
David Geisler:I agree.
Kady Roberts:Which is very cool. It just allows for your foot to kind of bend naturally within the shoe. And because of that, I'm assuming like real life ones, although we can't see that they have grips on the bottom, which help to grip onto the rock as you climb.
David Geisler:Mhmm. Real life ones do. I have a pair of climbing shoes just out there, and they do. They're yeah. They're like a rubber foot.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. So, even though you can't really see the bottom of them in the game, I'm assuming they I have that same
David Geisler:see.
Kady Roberts:Thing going on.
David Geisler:Also, the little hand the headbandana, like, is so classic.
Kady Roberts:Well, yeah.
David Geisler:You wanna keep the hair out of your eyes?
Kady Roberts:Exactly. You want the hair out of your eyes because you can't move it out of your face, but you need clear vision when you're climbing. And also, it's really good for absorbing sweat and blocking the sun out
David Geisler:Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:Which is really nice. And then finally, it's kind of finished off with a climbing harness for his legs and then some spare rope and, a harness for his sword on his back.
David Geisler:You can see a little rope? Really?
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Yes.
David Geisler:It's kind of just out there like free soloing,
Kady Roberts:Yeah. He has, rope around his
David Geisler:chest and then
Kady Roberts:he has some rope around
David Geisler:his I'd even say a couple, I almost kinda yelled at some carabiners there and everything.
Kady Roberts:Wow. So he kinda has the full set going on. He's ready to go on that black diamond a little bit. I did forget to mention, he also has straps on his biceps, which also helps with like pain relief, as you're climbing, which I thought was cool. I didn't know anything about rock climbing until I did some research on this.
David Geisler:Oh, really? I used to climb quite a bit. Well, about around the time we started this show, was about five, six years ago. There was a gym in Milwaukee that I like to go to, and then there's a few really nice bouldering gyms here in Chicago that I still enjoy, but just haven't been doing it for the past two or three years now. Yeah.
David Geisler:The biggest thing that can get you is the blood leaving your hands while you're climbing. That's why you'll people see like kind of take their hands down and shake it out. They're trying to shake the blood back into their hands. And I wonder if the straps on the arms, not that it's like a tourniquet, but like kind of keeps some of the pressure
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Absolutely. You're probably right about that. Mhmm. That's I did not know that.
David Geisler:Yeah. It was cool. Very very cool. I wear I wore this outfit a lot. Yeah.
David Geisler:And I also found, to my question a minute ago, I also found that this was an outfit that I would like sub in halfway a lot.
Kady Roberts:See, this one, every time I was climbing, it was going on.
David Geisler:Just the whole thing?
Kady Roberts:Yeah. The entire thing was going on. Was speeding up that thing.
David Geisler:I'd like sometimes I kinda keep that classic Link aesthetic. So he might have his green tunic on, but I'd throw on the climbing shoes or the climbing pants or whatever, maybe the climbing, you know, handkerchief or whatever it is, bandana that he's wearing. So I'd kinda like half sub sometimes. But it's true, if you get all three, you go much much faster with the stamping
Kady Roberts:the only I'm gonna not lie to you guys, I did forget until this very moment that you can get a green tunic in the game without an amiibo. So I'm just gonna honorable mention for you guys, you can get a green tunic, the classic in the game, for defeating some Guardians in this one area.
David Geisler:Really? Yeah. Oh, that's cool.
Kady Roberts:I kind of forgot about it until now. I wish I could say more on that. I was more focused on some of the other ones, so I'm very sorry. Forgot. I
David Geisler:Wait. Is that basically the tunic of the wild? Because there is like a breath of the wild version of the tunic too. Interesting. I got all my tunics through the Amiibos.
Kady Roberts:Yeah.
David Geisler:You know, whatever. And, the one thing that I would do is sometimes I'd get the, not the warm doublet, but the kind of Hillean there is kind of even if you get none of the green tunics, can get like the normal there's like, maybe you'll get there. There's like a Hillean jacket you can wear. And if you go diet green at the Inhatto Village, you can kind of in my mind's eye, that was like the Breath of the Wild version of the green tunic.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. No, I think the ones I'm doing are kind of I'm not gonna lie, I was kind of just doing whatever came up on the website because
David Geisler:Like full sets?
Kady Roberts:Yeah, kind of full sets. Which the next full set is the Dark Series. Dark Series, it's night speed is increased. It's literally just Shadow Link from Ocarina of Time.
David Geisler:It is, absolutely.
Kady Roberts:And they kind of further
David Geisler:push It's Shadow Link from the Adventures of Link, is also seen in Ocarina of Time.
Kady Roberts:True. However, I was gonna say, however, if you look, it's an exact copy of the Hero of Time set
David Geisler:Oh. In Rest of
Kady Roberts:the Wild. It's Oh, look at colors are changed. Yeah. They did pull it. They did pull it from Ocarina of Time for the Breath of the Wild game.
David Geisler:In fact, you're even more correct because I don't think Link has a red red eyes in the Nintendo game.
Kady Roberts:Oh, really?
David Geisler:Yeah. Shadow Link.
Kady Roberts:But that's all I have to
David Geisler:say Fully Dark Link. Yeah. Yeah. Fully Dark Link. Actually would kind of wear that one a lot just because I thought it looked super It
Kady Roberts:did look really cool.
David Geisler:And if it was nighttime and I was just running, I do when I was playing Breath of the Wild, I've talked about this on the show before, not always, but there would be times I always try to not warp. I try to play realistically. If I want to go to a town, I try to actually run there or use my horse and all that kind of stuff because I like the emotional value of Shoot, that town's on the other side of the map. Do I really need to go to there to get x y or z? And so I would use shadow link a lot.
David Geisler:Shadow link, the dark series. Yeah. Shadow link, run across the lands and stuff like that.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Cool. Let's do a couple more before going to break.
David Geisler:Yeah. Sure. How often would you wear shadow link?
Kady Roberts:I really wouldn't that often. Mhmm. I think when I first got it, I wore it a decent amount Yeah. Before I realized like it doesn't really do anything for me. And then I would take it off.
Kady Roberts:But I do think it was really cool.
David Geisler:Isn't it basically you just run a little faster at night? Because I think that's almost the same as the glowy skeleton one that
Kady Roberts:you It is basically the same. Yeah. But what isn't basically the same is the Desert Voset.
David Geisler:Look at that transition. Yeah. You're a pro. You're a pro.
Kady Roberts:Desert Voset, classic, gives you a little bit of heat resistance, but unfortunately, you can't get into Gerudo town with it because you're a boy. What I think is funny about this one is there's a lot of gold accents on it, which is interesting because gold is one of the best metals for not being heat conductive. So gold has a really high boiling point and also a really high heat point.
David Geisler:Wow. I never knew.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. So, if you hold a piece of gold, it's gonna take a lot longer than any other metal, or most other metals I should say Yeah. To, absorb your body heat.
David Geisler:Fascinating. I knew that gold is not a good conductor for electricity, but I didn't realize that this temperature thing was a thing too.
Kady Roberts:It is. Passing. It kind of works out well that they put it on this heat resistant armor. Yeah. The flowers on it kind of, on this armor, kind of resemble a desert lily, at least from what I was looking up.
Kady Roberts:It just doesn't, it's not the normal white color that would be, it's colored different ways. Which, if you're curious, lilies tend to represent resilience, purity, and beauty, which I think are traits that are really important to the Gerudo, which I think is cool. There's a little bit of a sun on the belt. Danny, do have
David Geisler:something? Well, was realizing this is the armor, the Gerudo armor that you eventually get, not the changing into the woman clothes.
Kady Roberts:This is the desert voe. Yep. So yeah, you have a sun on the belt, because desert. You got a little bit of a sweatband for the heat, kind of another callback there. I do like that only the front of the calves are covered with armor, so the back is free for a little bit of And finally, he's wearing some harem pants, which are those big kind of baggy pattern pants that a lot of people wear when it's hot out in the desert, especially in South Asian and East or West Asian countries.
Kady Roberts:I was doing some research, I didn't end up writing it down, but harem pants ended up coming from a different kind of pants that I think wasn't turkey. I could be wrong about that though. I looked this up a minute ago. But these in the game specifically look like harem pants.
David Geisler:Also, he's got his little kind of like top knot
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Kind of He's got his little hair sticking up. Yeah. It's very colorful, which I like because you gotta have color in the desert.
David Geisler:Are there any What are the mechanics for this one? Just heat resistant really?
Kady Roberts:Heat resistance is it. Yeah. It's basically this Actually, I think heat resistant. I could be wrong about that. Maybe this one isn't heat resistant.
Kady Roberts:Because for some reason, I feel like I remember putting it on and then having to change into the other Gerudo outfit anyway.
David Geisler:I feel that it's desert heat resistant, not like Goron City heat resistant.
Kady Roberts:Oh, well, yeah. The
David Geisler:Like flame resistant,
Kady Roberts:I guess, Yeah. Gerudo isn't flame resistant. But, what is great transition for me, Holy moly. It's the fireproof armor. Fireproof armor.
Kady Roberts:I learned a lot about firefighters when I was researching this.
David Geisler:Oh, can't wait. Because I feel this suit looks ridiculous. It looks like a bendy straw, but I feel like it's backed with some logic.
Kady Roberts:A little bit. Yeah. So obviously the perk you get from it is you're fireproof. You can walk around Goron City with no problem. I do like it because unlike some of the other ones, which kind of, they give themselves some leniency with the fantasy aspects, they do have this one fully covered.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Other than, I guess, you can argue a little bit of the face because it's just bars on the face. Oh, yeah. But, obviously, by looking at it, it's inspired by a fire firefighter uniform. So, it's super bulky because firefighter suits have a ton of layers.
Kady Roberts:So, kind of how they're built, there's a couple different layers, but the outer layer, which is what you see with this armor, it's really thick and durable to specifically protect against the flame. So this armor is kind of a silver and brown throughout. So what I assume is that the silver part is made of steel and tungsten because those are fire resistant metals. Yep. And the brown parts of the armor are likely oxidized titanium or nickel alloy, because those metals are also heat resistant but they tend to turn brown when exposed to high temps.
David Geisler:Cool.
Kady Roberts:Fun facts. Yes. Because it's resistant to the heat and flame, it's gotta be well insulated, which is where you see those kind of rubber bendy straws.
David Geisler:Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:And on top of all that, it has some yellow straps across. One, for the practicality of your sword and everything, but also, a lot of firefighter suits have yellow straps that are reflective, so that people can see them through smoke. Just in case
David Geisler:they even Wow. Get That.
Kady Roberts:Finally, head made to look like a goron. Big circle, big thing Yeah. Over the
David Geisler:I never thought of that. I just thought it was look at this crazy
Kady Roberts:big I saw you.
David Geisler:Look this big old helmet. It it is. It looks it's it's actually wow. You're showing it to me now, and I'm struck. I've I've looked at this outfit so many times, and you're right, even the little kind of top knot, Goron hair is on there.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. And then finally, to add to that Goron ness that is this suit of armor, right on the kind of, bottom flap of it is the Gerudo, or the Goron crust, that you
David Geisler:see Wow.
Kady Roberts:In some of the other games. Which was cool. I had to do my research to figure out where that crust was from, because I was sitting there and I'm like, I know I have seen this before. But I knew it wasn't the heat symbol.
David Geisler:What's the crest? Can I see it real quick? Yeah. It basically the red gem from Ocarina of Time? Uh-huh.
David Geisler:Is it It kind of is. Yeah. It's referencing Yeah. Cool.
Kady Roberts:So I
David Geisler:don't have a thing over here. Was just looking.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. But very fun. I'm gonna do one more and then take us to break.
David Geisler:Yes. Real quick, I wanna ask before you go to the next one. How often did you wear this one?
Kady Roberts:Only when I was in, the Goron areas where I kinda had to.
David Geisler:Only when you need to.
Kady Roberts:Me too. Because I wasn't the biggest fan of having to make the potions constantly.
David Geisler:Right.
Kady Roberts:Sometimes I would, but for the most part, yeah, I would keep that on.
David Geisler:Eventually, I got those flame resistant earrings in, Gruyo, and I stopped wearing the helmet and As stuff like
Kady Roberts:soon as I got those, I stopped.
David Geisler:Yeah. This I I love this outfit in that I think there's a lot of logic behind it, you know, compared to like the red tunic in Ocarina of Time where you're flame resistant because it's turned red. I love that they really thought about the logic of this one. Also the hoses, the hose arms and hose legs, you know, that's the same kind of construction you would see like in early deep sea diving outfits and even early space travel outfits. They was it was kind of like because they really couldn't even risk seams at the elbows or anything.
Kady Roberts:Exactly.
David Geisler:You just have this single solid material. And I feel like this is this is kind of to that point. I tried to wear this as little as possible. I did not love It's running not around pretty. In this
Kady Roberts:It's it's not pretty, but it is functional. Yes. So you're not gonna see Link in this outfit on the cover of any firefighter calendars anytime soon, unfortunately.
David Geisler:Oh my gosh.
Kady Roberts:So, last one before break, we talked about the Desert Vogue, but now I wanna talk about the Gerudo outfit. Outfit.
David Geisler:Let's do it.
Kady Roberts:The Gerudo outfit also gives you heat resistance, and it also gives you the magical ability to enter Gerudo town without getting kicked out. They also have the hair and pants going on, that's a common theme here. They have some lotus flowers on it, which is a little bit softer. Also, same gold accents throughout for that heat resistance. What I did want to touch on is this one has a lot of kind of, I just I am hesitant to say religious religious influence because they don't do it fully, but you can tell where that look comes from a little bit.
Kady Roberts:Okay. So, specifically the headpiece that he is wearing, it covers the mouth and then the back of the head, but if it completely covered the hair and kind of wrapped around, it would be a excuse me if I say this wrong, but a niqab, which is a common type of clothing for Muslim women that they wear for religious purposes. Yep. Think like, similar to a hijab or burqa, niqab is like another form of these things that someone might choose to wear. Also, there's a ruby on the forehead, which, kind of feels like a call to a bindi, which is typical typically worn by, Hindu women.
Kady Roberts:Men can wear bindi as well, but it's typically with women, and it tends to represent your third eye, but it can be worn to represent tons of different things, such as showing that you're married for women. Oh. But, in modern days, there are a lot of decorative bindis made of jewels, like the one Link is wearing, and it's more just a fashion accessory than anything else. Also, Link has a anklet around his ankle. Yeah.
David Geisler:Yeah. Just one of them, I've never noticed.
Kady Roberts:Yes. Well, he has one around his ankle, and while it still is kind of debated, it's said that wearing an ankle on your right, or anklet on your right ankle, like Link is wearing, means you're unmarried, in Indian culture.
David Geisler:Okay.
Kady Roberts:Again, correct me if I'm wrong about any of this stuff, but from what I researched, this is what, people say, which would make sense because he is disguising himself as a Gerudo.
David Geisler:We're gonna need you to fully cite your sources in the show notes.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. No. But seriously, if anyone has any further knowledge on this stuff, I am I'm a white person. So, please, I would love to learn more about this stuff.
David Geisler:Sure.
Kady Roberts:So, finally, there's a small hip scarf
David Geisler:Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:That he has going on, and then he kind of seems to be wearing traditional Moroccan Babosh shoes. Yes. Which are really pretty. So that is a lot.
David Geisler:That's fantastic. But very cool. A couple notes on that one. Did you wear it much when you didn't have to go into the town?
Kady Roberts:You know I wore that outfit a lot.
David Geisler:You wore it lot?
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Come on now.
David Geisler:So that's interesting because my original cohost, Kate, also wore it all the time. At the very least, she would wear the the headpiece. But just to kind of and I asked her, I said, why? She said, I just I just like how it looks. And even though I know Link's a boy, I kind of like running around with something that maybe I would wear and stuff like that.
David Geisler:It's all over the the spectrum there.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. No, I'm a very big fan of like gender ambiguous Link. I know Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I heard originally Link was supposed to be very ambiguous when the first couple games came out.
David Geisler:Well well, certainly, Link is is is a little bit more androgynous by design in Breath of the Wild. So much so that when the first trailer released, some people thought Link was female.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. So I am a really big fan of that. Mhmm. And I also just really like the outfit. So was I kind of the opposite, I would tend to keep the top and pants on and sometimes switch out the headpiece if I wanted like, different hair or like, different earrings or something like that.
Kady Roberts:Kind of like, dress up a little bit with him, but I love that outfit. I like, the I Again, I always hesitate because it's not confirmed, but I love the drag queen that you meet, that kind of gives you the outfit. I like that, that whole cut scene is very funny to me.
David Geisler:Yeah. I agree. And it was also in other ways, you know, when Breath of the Wild was being made, everything in the news was like, it's a systemic open world game. Everything's systemic. Yeah.
David Geisler:If it gets hot, you wear clothes for for hot and it's it's cold and blah blah blah. And there's rain, you won't be able to climb if there's rain and all these different systems. And I thought it was so cool that in a way it was a little bit more, it wasn't necessarily systemic, but like it was like, well, what else can we do with outfits? If you're wearing you can almost imagine the creative team being like, well, all right, so obviously you wear something heavy for cold weather and something light for hot weather and blah, blah, blah, something for water and something for electricity and all these different things. And they probably thought like, Well, what are other ways that it could be important why you're wearing certain kinds of clothes?
David Geisler:And I'm sure they came up with this idea of like, Ah, well, how about we've had the Gerudo and even in Ocarina of Time, like part of their lore is that men aren't allowed. Yeah. We could actually play with that with this kind of costume, I guess, system that they have. And I thought that was a really cool kind of out on the edge way of also having the costumes be important, which I thought was super awesome. Yeah.
David Geisler:I had one more comment about this one. Oh, I think more than in any other Zelda game, I think Link is the most ambiguous and androgynous in Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom. I think that's completely by design because this is the these were the first two games, if if any if really almost kind of the two games where you could do so many different things to Link, put so many different clothes on him, make so many different choices about Link that I think they really, really double down on the you are Link thing that happens in Zelda games. And so, you know, you almost want to give Link the least amount of personality so that the player can have their personality projected.
Kady Roberts:Mhmm. Which I've talked about a couple times on this podcast as, again, the person, that we were talking about at the beginning, with their comment, I am a really big fan of fandom culture. The reason I started playing Breath of the Wild was because I was seeing all of this fan art and all this stuff coming out about this game, and everyone was putting their own personality, their own identities or themes into this character, that I was like, I gotta play this. I gotta see what's actually going on here.
David Geisler:I gotta see what the hotbub is.
Kady Roberts:Yeah, and I think that's why it also plays so well. Think that's why so many people like this game, because they can project a lot and have a lot of theories and ideas about Link, specifically
David Geisler:Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:That they kind of can resonate with, which I think is cool.
David Geisler:Yeah, absolutely.
Kady Roberts:But, with that, I say we go to break because this is gonna be a long episode, Buckle in.
David Geisler:We're still going?
Kady Roberts:Oh, we're still going. But we're gonna go to break. We'll come right back, and we will continue with the close.
David Geisler:Love it.
Kady Roberts:And we are back. If you hear some purring, that's because Shrode is here with us, lovely Schrodinger, that's David's cat. If you haven't seen him, maybe become a magical sword person and watch the video.
David Geisler:He hangs out with us at
Kady Roberts:the desk
David Geisler:almost every episode.
Kady Roberts:He is a delightful, old, black cat, and he is the sweetest thing in the world.
David Geisler:Here's little Yeah. Oh, boy. He's an 18 year old cat. Old There's some old man purring right there. Ugh.
David Geisler:Alright.
Kady Roberts:Gotta get his motor revving.
David Geisler:Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:So my transitions are terrible. Speaking of black
David Geisler:You know what else is revving? Yeah.
Kady Roberts:You know what else is black? The radiant Sure. Sure. The radiant set, you get a disguise bonus with it. Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:But also, your bone attack is up. I don't know if you've What? Seen about Yeah, so if you attack with bone weapons Yeah. With this armor set, it does more damage, and specifically, I don't think it's in breath, I think it's in tears. Oh, hello.
Kady Roberts:He's I'm sorry,
David Geisler:He's kinda taking over the show right now. He just jumped up and started licking Katie. I don't know what's going on. Anyway I'm so sorry. No, you're good.
David Geisler:We are on the air, Shorter. You gotta reel it in.
Kady Roberts:I think it's in tears. You can meld the two bone things together and get extra bonuses. And then with the sword, can get Or with the armor, you can get it to where you can one hit anything in the game because of all the multipliers.
David Geisler:Okay.
Kady Roberts:I don't know exactly how to do it, but I have seen it done. But, specifically in Breath, it's very inspired by wrestler outfits, specifically luchador. Yes. Which is kind of cool, which is why I'm wondering if they went that route because it's a skeleton outfit. Maybe they were thinking like, Dia de los Muertos or something.
David Geisler:I think there's some referencing there. Yeah.
Kady Roberts:But, yeah, it has a classic luchador mask, has like the little underwear
David Geisler:That's top,
Kady Roberts:and then it has the big, champion belt, which I think is really funny. I don't know, if you wanted to look, but it's quite literally
David Geisler:Oh, it like actually, it's like a wrestler. It's literally
Kady Roberts:a championship wrestling belt. Mhmm.
David Geisler:I'd like to say something. I've I was I was gonna say it when we were talking about the Desert Vaux outfit. Mhmm. I think that what we're seeing here, and this is something that I think Zelda does very well, is there's references to cultures in Zelda, but they almost kind of always make sure that they're it's it's there's like a it's a combination of cultures are represented. We're just kinda seeing that here.
David Geisler:There's there's a playfulness with the the literal wrestler belt. Yeah. But also they're kind of loosely referencing, some other cultures that you mentioned. I think the Desert Vogue did that very, very much. I also think you can even see it in the environments, know, like Kakariko Village is like a combination of some Eastern cultures mixed with some Western things that you would see or reverse it.
David Geisler:And I think that at the end of the day, that's kind of what Zelda does, is that it creates these it evokes these it creates cultures and creates aesthetic aesthetics that are that referencing other cultures and are usually a little bit of a hodgepodge in a mix. Yeah. And I think we're seeing that here as well.
Kady Roberts:No. I agree. It's why I was so interested in doing this deep dive, because I could when I was playing the games it was pulling from different real life cultures, but just in different ways. Like, one thing might inspire the helmet, another one might inspire the shoulder pads, and then the shoes, and things like that, which I thought was really cool, I wanted to talk about.
David Geisler:I never realized it was like a WWE style wrestling belt, right on
Kady Roberts:a Yeah.
David Geisler:It's like the big gold thing.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Has like the little skeleton in the middle. It's kinda crazy. So like I said before we hopped into this episode, I did include one DLC outfit, because I kinda forgot it was a DLC outfit, and I also really like it. It is the royal guard outfit.
David Geisler:I think, I could be wrong, but there was there's technically three layers of DLC, and then like, the first one was kinda like a free one just for the fun of it.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. And then there's the champion's ballad, and then there's one more, but I can't remember what
David Geisler:it's called. Well, it might be champion's ballad, like, volume one, volume two or something like that. I can't really remember, but there was a there was, a tiny little one before the two big ones. It might have even have been free, and it had it gave you the Nintendo Switch shirt. And then I think this Mhmm.
David Geisler:Royal guard, I think, was in that one. So it's not too far off as far as, like this one might be it's a little closer to being in the main game, I think, than like, you know, some of the crazy crazy, DLCs.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. So this one that the perk it gives you is your charged attack stamina goes up. But what I really like about this one is it's specifically the royal guard armor, not the soldier armor.
David Geisler:Yep.
Kady Roberts:So because of that, it's very pristine. It looks like there's not a single wrinkle on it, and it's with white gloves and white boots that have no stains on them because it's very presentable. Very very regal. You got the Hyrule crest on the hat and the chest, and kind of what seems like it might be the goddess on the bottom of like the tunic.
David Geisler:Oh, yeah.
Kady Roberts:This one is very special because it's one of the few armor sets that doesn't have any actual armor on it. It's specifically just for show or special events. The boots itself, while they're white, they are riding boots for horses. So, thinking they might ride it in a parade
David Geisler:Yeah.
Kady Roberts:Or something like that. And he wears a beret with it, which in the military berets typically are worn, whether you're in dress uniform or if you're in a garrison unit, so specifically guarding a set post.
David Geisler:Oh, interesting.
Kady Roberts:Which the royal guard is. Yeah. Probably just standing right in front of King Rome, not moving. And with that, the whole thing is this kind of navy blue, this kind of deep blue to match King Rome's coat a bit because he's completely blue as well. I love this set.
David Geisler:Do we see any royal guards in any of the flashbacks with King Rome? Maybe a little bit in Age of Calamity?
Kady Roberts:Maybe a little bit in Age of Calamity, I can't remember, but mainly it's the the royal soldiers of Yeah. The
David Geisler:Right.
Kady Roberts:Which is why this one stands out and is very cool. Yeah. The rubber set.
David Geisler:Wait, how long How often did you wear the royal guard?
Kady Roberts:I wore this one, not as often as some of the other ones, but I did wear it as much as I could. Really? Because I really liked the way it looked, even though I didn't really use charge attacks that much. I just there's something so royal about
David Geisler:it. Sure.
Kady Roberts:And I liked dressing Link up like he had the position that he had, you
David Geisler:know? Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:It was very, very impressive.
David Geisler:I think I put it on once or twice to look at it and that was it, but not because I disliked it. I just never found myself pulled to it. But I I like your reasoning very much.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. So the rubber set is interesting because you can kind of find the pieces throughout, and depending where you look It's interesting, it makes you unshockable.
David Geisler:Uh-huh.
Kady Roberts:So, none of the electric stuff can hurt you because, surprise, it's completely made of rubber. It is the rubber set, and rubber is not conductive for electricity. And also, what is very interesting, when you get the different armor sets, a lot of them, if not all of them, have like a little blurb about them. Sometimes it's not anything like interesting. In the game with the armor sets, a lot of times they have a little blurb next to them.
David Geisler:Oh, Sometimes
Kady Roberts:it's something just this is this armor. Cool. But what's cool about the rubber set is that it specifically says, in Breath of the Wild lore, this is made of rubber. We don't know what this is because it's a material that can no longer be found.
David Geisler:What?
Kady Roberts:So, apparently they had rubber at one point, and then don't know where it came from or don't know how to make it anymore.
David Geisler:Wow.
Kady Roberts:Which is kind of cool. I like when they give you a little tidbit of information. The helm itself, I was very confused about at first because I'm like, like, why is there a fish on your head?
David Geisler:Oh, that's right. When it's an electric. It goes on like the tail and the back and everything, right?
Kady Roberts:Yeah. What I did find out is what I think, it is supposed to be an electric catfish, which is a real creature Oh my that I didn't know about. Wow. So, apparently electric catfish are freshwater fish from Africa that generate electric shocks up to 350 volts, which is very scary to think that's a thing that But, it is.
David Geisler:Three fifty? Wow.
Kady Roberts:So, that I'm guessing is what inspired the fish head with like the catfish whiskers.
David Geisler:You're right. You're right. Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:The shirt vest is still connected with metal clasps for some reason. That, I'm a little confused
David Geisler:It's gold.
Kady Roberts:Yeah, no, it's silver. So, that's where I was like, I don't really have a logical explanation for that. However, resemble, electrical gloves, which I appreciate. As well as there's some padding on the thighs and shoulders for a little bit of extra protection.
David Geisler:Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:And, I like the boots a lot, not just from a technical standpoint, but they're kind of cute. They're just big boots with the tops that kind of frill out like gills a little bit, and they're blue on the inside to kinda further that. I don't know. That's that's that.
David Geisler:I recall, I could be wrong, I recall that this is one of those sets where if you at least wear two of them, you can basically achieve the the thing so you can, like, not get shocked by wearing at least two of this of the set.
Kady Roberts:I could be wrong, but I think you're right.
David Geisler:That's what I'm remembering because I think I specifically remember I would often wear the top and bottom, but not the crazy fish head.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. And that might be why there's a lot of, when you look online for it, you'll look up and it'll be like, this set, this set, and then for that one, it's just like rubber helm, rubber shirt, rubber shorts. So, that might be the reason why it's written like that. Interesting. How
David Geisler:often did you wear it?
Kady Roberts:I wore it only when I was fighting with robes in the rain.
David Geisler:Yeah. With robes in the rain, or there was the the the main baddie. The
Kady Roberts:electric piece.
David Geisler:The shock plate Oh.
Kady Roberts:Ganon. Oh, yeah.
David Geisler:It it was helpful to have that on.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. That that was a rough Ganon.
David Geisler:It's the roughest.
Kady Roberts:It is fun though.
David Geisler:I think it's the
Kady Roberts:tough It is tough though. Mhmm. Next up is the snow quill set.
David Geisler:Cool.
Kady Roberts:Snow quill makes you unfreezable. So if you're going up to visit the Rideau, you want to get this set of armor. It is very interesting to look at. It seems to me like it's inspired by traditional, Inuit clothing with the patterning on it.
David Geisler:Oh, yeah.
Kady Roberts:The shoulders have metal feathers on it, as shoulder armor, I guess, but also as a reference to the Rito, of course. There's a thick collar of fur that kind of protects you like a scarf a little bit.
David Geisler:Yep.
Kady Roberts:The boots themselves look like they're made of some kind of hide based on the game, likely deer, but they're very thick. They just look like your normal, thick snow boots. The whole outfit is thick because it's filled with a lot of layers.
David Geisler:Absolutely. And then kind of for no reason except for the reference, it also has like the little bird wings for the shoulder just saying. Wait, you just said the shoulder? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
David Geisler:Cool. Sorry. I guess I spaced out.
Kady Roberts:No. You're okay.
David Geisler:The the the literal wings and then he's got little feathers in his hair too.
Kady Roberts:He does. Yeah. And then he also has a little bird crest on him, which is cute. But, actually, I'll save that part for last. There's, his braids in the front, to me personally, they feel very reminiscent of, Viking hair taping, where they would, take the ribbon throughout to kind of keep the hair all tied really tight, and braided.
David Geisler:Yeah. Interesting. Didn't Teba have those braids too?
Kady Roberts:I think so. Yeah. What I find the most fascinating about this outfit though, is I was looking at it, and so his left hand does not have a glove on it. Well, he has a glove but it's just kind of like a Is thinner
David Geisler:that what he holds?
Kady Roberts:Right hand has a thicker glove on it, but the thicker glove is missing the pinky and the ring finger. So, I'm like, why is that? And, the reason for that is because it's for kudo, specifically a sort of Japanese archery. What? So
David Geisler:Do they pull with those fingers instead or something?
Kady Roberts:They I was trying to look at this. I was doing a lot of research on Kyudo. I think they still pull with like the main fingers, but for some reason in the traditional gloves, they leave out the two fingers. Sure. So Kyudo is interesting because it's not It's not really archery in the sense that it's not about so much as hitting your target as learning how to handle the bow and training to be able to use the bow.
Kady Roberts:So from the people I was watching online explain this, your typical American bow and arrow, you pick it up first day and are shooting it. Kyudo, you don't normally even touch the bow until like three months in.
David Geisler:What?
Kady Roberts:And it's because Kyudo is meant more, for ceremonial and spiritual martial arts reasons.
David Geisler:Cool.
Kady Roberts:A lot of people use Kyudo as a way as kind of, focusing their chi or, using it as a kind of meditation in a sort of way, which is very interesting that they specifically made this outfit of Link, Keto related.
David Geisler:Yeah. Yeah. Another example of blending a bunch of different cultures together too, as with the aesthetics.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. I I think it says a lot about Link because he is such a good archer, obviously. That seeing it from a Kyudo perspective of, he didn't just shoot the bow a million times and he's good. He probably spent a very long time learning the bow and feeling the situations and all of that. Because the whole point of Kyudo is not hesitating and being present in every shot.
David Geisler:That's awesome. It's very cool. Yeah. Yeah, love it so much. Wow, you really did go for a deep dive here.
David Geisler:This did.
Kady Roberts:Are you proud of me?
David Geisler:You said that was the biggest smile I've ever seen you make just now.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Not as much of a deep dive, but I still have a lot written. The soldiers set.
David Geisler:Yep.
Kady Roberts:So, soldiers set, classic historical armor, there's the hylian crust all throughout it. But they do kind of pull from different centuries of knights with it.
David Geisler:Oh, interesting.
Kady Roberts:The helmet is the style of an eleventh century knight where, it just kinda has the little part that goes down in the middle, but the rest of the face is left uncovered, while the rest of the armor is kind of like a full plate armor of the fourteenth or fifteenth century, where it's kinda fully covered, but there's chainmail underneath.
David Geisler:Oh, right. Kind of
Kady Roberts:covers some of the gaps and joints. Doesn't fully cover. I'm gonna say that that's because of fantasy reasons. Yeah. But it is there.
Kady Roberts:You can tell that he's a high ranking royal soldier due to the craftsmanship of the medal. There's just a lot of detail in it. The metal greaves as well are kind of put on the front, but they're left empty in the back. And while that isn't the best from a, fighting standpoint, it is good if you're riding horses. Hello, guy.
Kady Roberts:Oh, interesting. Sorry. Schrodinger.
David Geisler:Taking over the show. There we go. Alright.
Kady Roberts:So if you're riding your horse, you don't injure it when you kick it, to get it going.
David Geisler:Oh, cool.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. He also has a plume, which is where this whole armor set kind of takes a turn for me. Because a plume is really uncommon in battle armor. Specifically, it tends to be worn if you're using it for a tournament, or specifically for a formal occasion. Or, what I personally like to think, is the reason that he's wearing it, it can be worn as a status of symbol or rank.
Kady Roberts:So, maybe it's because he is a high ranking soldier, he's Zelda's right hand, he wears a plume to kind of show that.
David Geisler:Do you think I just realized something, I was hesitating there. I don't want to get too crazy, but like, is it even his suit?
Kady Roberts:Exactly. That's the other thing, I was thinking about when I was writing that. Yeah. Because it very well could be some other high ranking officials armor that he found, or some ceremonial or tournament armor that he found, and it belonged to someone else.
David Geisler:I'm definitely forgetting where the three pieces are found. Do you have any memory at all? It's been a long time for me.
Kady Roberts:Not really. I wanna say it's just found maybe in some shrines or something like that. Mhmm.
David Geisler:I
Kady Roberts:could be wrong about it though. But that is, an armor set that I wore a lot, especially in the early game.
David Geisler:Oh, cool. Yeah. I mean, it helps. There was a lot of like, yeah, if I was going into a fight or something, I'd kind of switch it over.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. Was gonna say, I had a lot of defense. It was really cool looking. I didn't like the helmet a lot, so I tended to switch out the helmet, but I would wear the shirt and the pants.
David Geisler:Yeah. Yeah. You'd switch it for the, the Goron helmet, right?
Kady Roberts:Oh, absolutely.
David Geisler:Cool.
Kady Roberts:One of the best armor sets in the game, and the one Can't wait to that a lot of people get very early on, is the stealth set.
David Geisler:Okay. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Kady Roberts:Obviously, like the name suggests, it gets your stealth up, and it's inspired by the Sheikah in game, but also Japanese ninja.
David Geisler:Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:However, it's Japanese ninja from a sort of fantasy point of view. So, real life ninja tend tended to wear peasant clothes to kind of blend into their environment, because they didn't want to be noticed. However, the ninja that we think of now, when you think of like, full covered and black with the shurkins and all that, it was specifically that the design came from Kabuki theater in Japan. So, Kabuki is a highly exaggerated, kind of theater. Specifically, the kanji for it stands for music, dance, and I'm blanking on the last one, but, I wrote down the story.
Kady Roberts:Oh, it's it's I think it's like skill.
David Geisler:Oh, okay.
Kady Roberts:Music, dance, and skill. What's interesting, about Kabuki is, since like 1692 or something, they only have male troops. So even the female parts are played by men.
David Geisler:Yeah.
Kady Roberts:And there are men that specialize in playing the female parts in kabuki. But where what we think of as ninjas now comes from is from the stagehands of kabuki. So, the stagehands tended to wear all black so people wouldn't see them in the background, and because of that, a lot of people began associating them with ninjas because they couldn't be seen, they were silent, they were moving behind the stage,
David Geisler:and you
Kady Roberts:just get glimpses of them, and that's where what we know as ninjas comes from, is the stagehands of Kabuki.
David Geisler:Oh my goodness.
Kady Roberts:Isn't that cool?
David Geisler:That is very cool.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. So from a fantasy ninja point of view, with this, the mask is there to kind of cover his breathing, make sure that you can't really hear him. He's just wearing socks to kind of muffle his footsteps. He has the classic Japanese top knot with the two little, sticks through it.
David Geisler:Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:And it's a dark purple, so he can kind of blend into the nighttime. But, that is my, little history lesson about ninjas there
David Geisler:for I love I it. Would often wear the how often did you wear it?
Kady Roberts:All the time. Yeah. It looks so good.
David Geisler:It it does look good. And I found myself blurring it with the eventual, like, chic DLC outfit. So a lot of times I put the chic head on because it's a slightly bigger white scarf
Kady Roberts:Yeah.
David Geisler:And then wear the stealth or something like that. I kind of play around a little bit.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. That was one that I used the helmet for a lot because I loved the way the head looked.
David Geisler:I thought it looked cool too.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. So cool.
David Geisler:And you get those staats you change the hairstyle.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. So I have one last set of armor for us today.
David Geisler:Let's do it.
Kady Roberts:Do you wanna guess what it is?
David Geisler:Wait, well it's the Zora armor, it's gotta be. It is.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. It is the Zora set. Mhmm. So the Zora set gets your swim speed right on up. It is specifically, you find it around the Zora areas, but it's said that Mipha made it for Link as a kind of proposal outfit.
Kady Roberts:Obviously, she never ended up proposing to him. Rip Mipha. But, you find it and it's a perfect fit for you. Yep. It's a blue color originally, so you can blend into the water.
Kady Roberts:However, the helmet is made to look like a shark Azura, specifically like Mipha or Sidon. Oh, yeah. So, personally, whenever I play, I like to dye it red to match them.
David Geisler:Oh, that's cool.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. There's some silver accents throughout it with the metal, and the design of it looks like the, pillar structures throughout Zora's domain.
David Geisler:Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:On top of that, across the chest is the water crest from Ocarina of Time.
David Geisler:Can I see it? Do have a picture? Yeah. I've never noticed.
Kady Roberts:That's awesome. The gem parts are missing.
David Geisler:It is. This is so great. Oh, it's so exciting. Yeah.
Kady Roberts:That's what I was finding really interesting when I was doing all this, is it takes a lot from Ocarina of Time, which is kinda
David Geisler:cool. Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:You get flippers when you're wearing it because Yep. Obviously if you wanna swim fast, and there's some beads and pearls that are made to make the straps, kind of like they found them within the river. There's some scales throughout, which allows water to glide off even easier, and you wear a wetsuit, which wetsuits are really cool, I did not know this, but provide you a lot of warmth because the way that they work is a thin layer of water gets trapped between the suit and the body, which allows the body heat to kind of warm it up and keep you warm.
David Geisler:Yeah. It's awesome. The difference between a wetsuit and a dry suit. The wetsuit, you do get wet, it holds the water close and it creates a layer of insulation.
Kady Roberts:It's very cool. Mhmm. And with that wet suit, it also allows it also provides, excuse me, some protection from UV rays and sea creature stings. And it also is a little bit buoyant, so it allows you to kind of float and swim a little bit easier. Yeah.
Kady Roberts:Which is very thoughtful from Mipha, for a Hylian who probably doesn't swim all that much.
David Geisler:Well, just wanted Link to be able to keep up. That was her plan.
Kady Roberts:She gave him some flippers, gave him some buoyancy, and called it a day.
David Geisler:I think this is the suit that it feels like this is the suit that has the most, attributes or or or tacked on, like, things you can do. There's it's not just, well, you can swim fast, you faster, but
Kady Roberts:it's not just
David Geisler:you can swim faster. You can also do the attack while
Kady Roberts:you swim. Once you have all of the pieces or maybe it's just the helm, but you can do the spin attack.
David Geisler:Maybe. And then I and then well, maybe maybe the spin attack is with all three. I can't quite recall, but definitely I think any of them allow you to go up waterfalls too. Right?
Kady Roberts:I think so, because I think you get the first piece and then you have to use it to go up the waterfall for like a quest of some kind.
David Geisler:Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. The arrows with the first, well, possibly the first final. Yeah.
Kady Roberts:No. Zora's Domain is gorgeous. I love the armor set. I wore it, again, kind of like the climbing set. I put this on whenever I was in the water.
David Geisler:Yep.
Kady Roberts:No current was gonna sweep me away.
David Geisler:Yeah. Right.
Kady Roberts:Alright. I'm fighting against that current.
David Geisler:Yeah. Absolutely. I'm trying to remember how much I wore it. You know, you do you do put it on when you're swimming. I think I mostly would put the, I guess, what we might call the tunic on.
David Geisler:Like the middle piece, I think is what I would usually opt to. Don't know if it was really the the flippers or not. And sometimes you just run around in it. I also am excited for you to discover the Zora's armor in Twilight Princess.
Kady Roberts:Yes. I'm very excited. I'm if you cannot tell, I'm a very big fan of armor, and different clothing pieces within games. Although up until this point, it was just from aesthetic point of view Yeah. And game point of view.
Kady Roberts:But now, after doing this, I'm like, this is very cool learning about all the different tie ins to different cultures. And with that, that's all the armor I have prepared. But, I do want to reach out to the listeners here and say that, first off, if I got anything wrong about culture stuff, please let me know because I'm very intrigued. But also, what armor did you wear the most? What armor do you think is the interesting?
Kady Roberts:Was there anything that surprised you? Like, just let me know because I would love to have this conversation with more people.
David Geisler:Absolutely. I think my go to outfit was before the DLC stuff happened and before all the little amiibo downloads and all that stuff. Because once you kinda get I have to confess, once I got basically all of Twilight Princess Link
Kady Roberts:Yeah.
David Geisler:That was kinda my base mode. But, in in game, without any of the the extra stuff, I think I was doing the Hillean tunic dyed green, kind of the tan pants or you switch the pants around for whatever you're doing if you're running through the sand or running through the snow or whatever. And then I think I had my head oh, the the cape, which I dyed black.
Kady Roberts:Yes. Yeah.
David Geisler:It was kind of that charcoal black, know?
Kady Roberts:I did really like that set. The only reason I didn't talk about it was because the pants technically went with the well worn set, so there wasn't a full set.
David Geisler:Absolutely. Yeah.
Kady Roberts:That's the only reason, but very, very nice suit of armor. I used the cape a lot.
David Geisler:It's just a good look. It's a fun look. Sometimes I would like put it on when it started to rain just for my own imagination. Like it doesn't change anything. Yeah.
David Geisler:Well, this is what I would do. I'd put the hood up. Oh, and it's just a cool look as you're walking through the woods and it's raining, you're trying to figure out where you're going and stuff. I loved overall so I said a minute ago, I'm excited for you to find the Zora tunic in Twilight Princess. But the reason is, is that, you know, okay, fine.
David Geisler:In Ocarina of Time, you get the different armors and really they're just changes of color. Right? And when Twilight Princess came out, it was the first time where the armor wasn't just a palette swap and it kind of did make some sense. And so when you get the Zoro armor in Twilight Princess, you're like, oh, this kind of feels right. This feels like it's a new suit.
David Geisler:And then by extension, get the fire one later on in Twilight Princess and all of that. And that was like, in my opinion, the because it even happens less than Skyward Sword. It was really Twilight Princess, I think, that really kind of allowed you to get some of those extra sets. And then when Breath of the Wild hit and you could just fully put on all you know, hundreds of different combinations of these clothes Mhmm. Which was kind of unheard of in Zelda games where you could have your main character Link run around the game and kind of not look like Link at all.
David Geisler:Yeah. If at least the link that goes up on the posters, you know, the the link that's in Smash Brothers and stuff like that. And I think it took a little getting used to for some people. I I I think for me, I had both emotions where I I've already told the story about every single suit I got. I tried to dye the middle part green and the bottom part white and the top part green because it was I was trying to emulate that they were like Link costumes.
David Geisler:I faded away from that after a couple of months and just started soaking in. For you, Breath of the Wild was first, so I think you probably didn't even trigger that like, oh, Link actually usually only wears one piece of clothing.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. When I played, I I knew of Zelda, but I didn't know it very well. I knew that he was the guy in the green. That's what I knew. When I played the game, I I was surprised that you could have different clothes, but it wasn't as jarring to me.
Kady Roberts:I was very excited though, when, you can find the green tunic within the game without any DLC or Amiibo or anything.
David Geisler:Mhmm.
Kady Roberts:When I finally found that, I was like, this is a big moment. I may not fully understand, but this is a big moment.
David Geisler:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's cool. I guess, yeah, yeah, if you really wanted to be pure, I I had lot of fun basically dressing up like Twilight Princess Link, but if you did the tunic of the wild, hat of the wild, and you know, whatever it is, socks of the wild, I don't even what they say.
David Geisler:Pants of the wild. I guess that is kind of the quintessential, like, link version in Breath of the Wild, and it's you intended by the designers. I'm realizing as we're talking about this. Yeah. But, that was awesome.
David Geisler:That was that was a great deep dive. You really went for it too.
Kady Roberts:Thank you. I did all of my research today.
David Geisler:Well, you've got the new job now and you know, Yeah. Life changes a
Kady Roberts:I was sitting around and I'm like, I gotta get this research done.
David Geisler:That's why you were able to text me so much this morning. I honestly thought like, she's at the radio station right now.
Kady Roberts:Yeah. No. I was literally sitting around. I was like, hey, David. This is what I have so far.
David Geisler:So funny. Yeah. So funny. Well, that was a blast.
Kady Roberts:Thank you. David, if they wanna find you, where can they find you at?
David Geisler:They can find me at Raptor Paint on all the things, all the socials and everywhere. I'm just Raptor Paint. Keep it nice and easy. And, I guess that's all I'll say about that for now.
Kady Roberts:Cool. Yeah. You can find me over on Instagram at letters KD Stargazer. And as for the podcast, congrats you're here. But if you want to go find us other places, you can find us basically everywhere at another Zelda pod or another Zelda podcast.
Kady Roberts:Also, have a Patreon that episodes get released a little bit early. You may get a little bit extra content. You get some video going on. So check us out over there as well if you're so inclined.
David Geisler:Yeah. We do video versions of the episodes, but additionally additional to those video versions, they're uncut. So we record for sometimes up to ten, fifteen minutes before we can actually record.
Kady Roberts:We also do some bonus episodes.
David Geisler:You're absolutely right.
Kady Roberts:Our notes here over
David Geisler:there on Patreon is audio only bonus episodes where sometimes we speak about things that are happening a little bit more in the news and things like that.
Kady Roberts:We talked we talked about our thoughts on the Zelda movie casting when that came out and all sorts of other things. So anything that's a little bit news related, we'll talk about over
David Geisler:there. You can find links to all that stuff at our website, another zeldapodcast.com.
Kady Roberts:And with that, thank you all so much for listening. We gotta head out because we have another episode to record that you guys will probably see in a couple weeks.
David Geisler:In a couple weeks. That's right. That's right. We're doing, the music of Echoes of Wisdom. Woo hoo.
David Geisler:I've been waiting to do this episode ever since the music came out for Link's Awakening, which we actually haven't no. We did.
Kady Roberts:We did. We compared.
David Geisler:That's right. That's right. The the the Link's Awakening music of Link's Awakening was our season six finale, I think, actually.
Kady Roberts:So Yeah. Which was a really fun episode.
David Geisler:Oh, it was awesome. We listened to the eight bit versions for the Game Boy and then compared them to the the 2019 release. Mhmm. And, of course, Echoes of Wisdom is the spiritual successor to Link's Awakening made by the same company. And I I assume, but we will find out in the next episode, the same composers and all of that.
David Geisler:But the music in Echoes of Wisdom is killer just like it is in the Link Awakening remake.
Kady Roberts:Absolutely. But we are gonna see y'all later, so have a great rest of your day and bye bye.
David Geisler:Bye.