So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast For People

In this episode, Megan & Jennifer are joined by Aubria Ralph, award-winning lawyer, strategist, author, and founder of scrappy girl project, to talk about trauma-informed leadership, career pivots, and what it really means to stay human in high-stakes environments. With over 20 years of experience in finance law and leadership consulting, Aubria blends legal acumen with heart-first strategy to help individuals and organizations transform from the inside out.

She shares insights on managing personal and community trauma, what it takes to lead without a formal title, and why rejection isn’t always redirection. It can sometimes feel like robbery. Aubria also talks about the launch of scrappy girl project, her transition from law firm life, and how prayer, resilience, and self-awareness have shaped her journey.

This conversation dives deep into spirituality, self-leadership, and the unspoken emotional labor of being a “strong one.” Whether you're burnt out, building something new, or just looking for language for what you’ve been feeling, Aubria’s perspective will stick with you.

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Host
Jennifer Ramsey
Host
Megan Senese

What is So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast For People?

Welcome to So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast For People. Where we explore behind-the-scenes of work, law, life, and everything in between. We're your hosts, business development and legal marketing coaches, Jennifer Ramsey and Megan Senese, and we're here to showcase the human side of the legal world, from marketing and consulting to the very real struggles of balancing work with being human. This isn’t your typical, dry legal show. We're bringing you real stories, candid conversations, and smart insights that remind you that outside of being a lawyer or legal marketer - what makes you human? So whether you’re navigating billable hours or breaking glass ceilings in a woman-owned legal practice, this legal podcast is for you. Stay human. Stay inspired. Namaste (or whatever keeps you human). 

Aubria Ralph (00:01):
I think what I love about podcasts and why I agreed to come on this one, it was after my interactions and early conversations with Megan. To me, there's beauty in the naturalness and openness of conversation. It was just this need to bring awareness of what we're dealing with on any given day.

Megan Senese (00:25):
Welcome to So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast for People, where we dive into the beautiful chaos of work life and everything in between. Outside of being a lawyer or a legal marketer, we want to know what makes you human. And with that, let's get started.

Jennifer Ramsey (00:39):
So today's guest is the type of person that when they walk into a room, you can feel its shift me, Aubria Ralph, an award-winning and powerhouse finance lawyer, strategist and founder of the scrappy girl project. With 20 plus years of leadership experience, she's built a career helping organizations transform from the inside out. Her signature program, The Quantum Lead, helps leaders shift mindsets, restore culture, and drive real results. Aubria blends law, business and heart, and she's just getting started. So without, I mean, welcome, welcome,

Aubria Ralph (01:22):
Welcome. Thank you. Thank you for having me ladies. I'm so excited to be here with you on so much to say and I'll make sure I don't say too much and go over time.

Megan Senese (01:37):
I know we could fill up hours. The first time you and I met, we were like, oh my God. We blew through our allotted time and just kept talking and talking and talking and I was like, I know what we're going to do now we're you're going to get on this podcast. So we were talking earlier, every day you're launching something new, which is grounded in need. It's not just like you're just creating shit for the sake of creating shit. But I want to start off with you talking about those offerings. We also didn't mention that you have a series of children's books, which my kids have. I've given them to my kids. I've given them to some of our clients. So you're an author, which we didn't talk about, so we'll plug that in the show notes too. But talk to me about your latest offerings and do you want to start with legalese or your incubator? Where would you like to start? What else are you cooking out? What else, what's new? Since we've

Aubria Ralph (02:33):
Written this, I mean, so I'll say this, I'm in the place right now where I want to really focus on the legal industry, and so there will be more offerings related to the legal industry specifically because that is a one industry that I feel like I can be of the most used at this particular time, given kind of everything that we've seen with the rule of law and just so many things kind of blowing up in the last six months, and we're making new lawyers every day. However, I don't plan on getting rid of leadership development because I feel like we're in the same way. We're making new lawyers every day.

(03:20):
Ultimately, everyone's a leader. Whether you're leading yourself your own life or you're leading others, I don't think you need a title to be a leader. And so a lot of times people think leadership consulting, oh, I need to be an executive or I need to already be positioned. But it's really about honing in on the skills that you already have innately. And I actually believe people already have the skills. They just haven't been taught how to use them to their advantage and to the advantage of the people that they engage. And so my offerings are always straddling that line, if you will. And all businesses need leaders and lawyers,

Megan Senese (04:04):
Good leaders is a different, that's the caveat, the good leader.

Aubria Ralph (04:09):
And so I spent a lot of time on trauma-informed leadership and really helping leaders, not so much look at how they're going to manage people, but how they're going to manage themselves so that they can be better leaders. I think it's really important for leaders to do the deep work and to continue to keep doing that work as they grow, as they develop, then they can shift with the times they can be of use to everyone in every demographic. And that's not saying you're pleasing everyone, because I don't think a leader needs to be a people pleaser. I think a leader however, needs to be aware of who is on their team, how to engage them so that they can have peak performance, peak enjoyment of the work that they're doing and just being a position to do well while doing good.

Jennifer Ramsey (05:08):
Go ahead, John. For the benefit of our audience, this is a term new to me in the last year, interestingly, since we've been at stage trauma-informed leadership. Can you talk a little bit about what that is and from both the seat of the leader and then from the seat of the person who is being led? I

Aubria Ralph (05:30):
Think there are two parts of it. The first part is the individual level of trauma, and then the second part is community trauma. For me, my most powerful example of community trauma is the pandemic lockdowns. Everyone went through it. There was massive impact. But even you look within an organization, if there's a mass layoff

(05:59):
That's traumatic, not just for the people that have been laid off, but for the people who remain right, you get a lot of that survivor's guilt. There's a lot of splitting of hairs where people lose contact with people for whatever reason. Sometimes it's just a discomfort you don't see. You don't dunno how to handle those relationships right after that severing that happens beyond your control. And so from a leader standpoint, you kind of have to have an understanding of your own trauma, your own personal traumatic experiences that you've gone through and how it's informing the way that you are as a person generally, but also how you interact with people. And then now how are you interacting as a leader of people? And so there's all of these layers within these two layers that need to be considered. And then on the personal individual being led, the same thing.

(07:00):
You often hear people say, oh, that was triggering. And so as somebody outside of you and your triggers, it's not my responsibility to understand your trigger or to fix your trigger. It's actually the person who's being triggered. You're the only person who can truly determine how you're going to respond to a thing. And so it's kind of having this really deep awareness of yourself, which I think is a huge lift in a very distracted world where nobody really has time to even just sleep or eat. And now I'm telling you, oh, you need to take time and reflect on every traumatic trauma experience you've had of all of things a little and do the deep work while also working and taking care of your children and all of this. And so I think if we're all kind of doing a little bit every day on our own, and I think even just starting with awareness is enough to get started.

(08:06):
Because when I'm talking to Megan and she's not a hundred percent, I can see that and not judge and be more compassionate in how I am interacting with her. Or when Megan's talking to me, if I seem a little bit t, she can kind of say, Hey girl, what's wrong with you? The way that was said May now was wrong with you. What's going on? What's wrong with you? We seem off. We're not. Take it personal, right? And really depersonalizing a lot of what happens because I think in the workplace it's really easy because on the one hand, you're working in close proximity with people. There's this semblance of closeness even though there is literally no intimacy in the workplace because you're work, they're better than me. And again, and let me caveat that emotional intimacy. And so to me, I think if everybody was thinking about this on their own, just thinking about it, I think it just creates ripples and ripples of it because now every time you talk to somebody and they have that experience with you, it's almost like a ripple effect in the world. And now it's not this huge lift of a company now trying to manage for all of these personalities because everyone's invested, because they understand we all need that level of compassion when we interact with each other.

Jennifer Ramsey (09:51):
Yeah, I love that. So what sparks your zest and your zeal for this type of work coming from being a high powered finance lawyer, and that's one side of the brain and then this iv, I don't know how to speak French, but you know what I mean. This

Aubria Ralph (10:19):
Iv

Jennifer Ramsey (10:20):
Thank you Jo Div.

Aubria Ralph (10:23):
Thank you. Yes. So what was the spark? So I grew up around a lot of really great leaders. I feel like just every step of the way within my household. But even I remember just having teachers that were just next level people growing up to the point where now when I hear stories about some of the interactions people had, I'm like, that happened when it's so unbelievable for me because I feel like I just got really, I was telling my mom this recently, I feel like I got really cocooned where I have interacted with more really good leaders than I have really terrible leaders. And I'm not saying three out of five, I'm saying more like four out five, four and a half out of five kind of situation. And so you're probably like, oh, so why are you leading to trauma informed? Well, the people that I came across that weren't the best leaders, they were really, really damaging in a way that it was so unbelievable. And so I remember one leader in particular that kind of got me thinking, oh, I should probably start a leadership consulting company. And I started thinking about this probably five years ago. And this particular person was interesting because they wanted to keep this kind of open door policy

(12:04):
While at the same time doing nothing with the information. And so it was one of those things where you could try to address a problem by telling them, oh, this happened, but then they never followed up or followed through. And so just by their inaction, you had the best people leaving. I remember as a noob sitting in a seat thinking, wait, you don't want that person to leave. You want that person to stay? No, you want that other person to go. And being able to pick up on the fact that, and we all hear it, right? Oh, Bob's a top performer. It doesn't matter that Bob is sexually harassing everyone on the team. Bob makes money. But it's like, what if the reason nobody else is top performing is because of Bob? So you have one Bob who's making you an extra million a year, and then you have seven Sally's who are down 500,000 a year. Well, just by doing the math there, that's three and a half million dollars, you're out.

Megan Senese (13:21):
So

Aubria Ralph (13:21):
His $1 million is still less, right? But most people in leadership are not thinking that far ahead. They're just seeing the immediate quote value. They're not counting the litigation costs, they're not counting the cost of constantly writing, having people on NDAs and following up on that and all of the things that come with not being a good leader or being an environment that creates this type of leader.

Megan Senese (13:57):
So you had positive experiences and then obviously a lot of negative that were more detrimental in a lot of ways. And then instead of getting kind of sucked down, I'm not saying that you didn't have down moments, but instead of getting sucked down, you decided to do something about it and flip it and try to address it. And I'm assuming majority of what you're talking about now is in legal, right? I think you and I talked a little bit about this, is that when the launch of scrappy girl came to be, tell us about that and tell us about the name. I

Aubria Ralph (14:36):
Love it. Yeah, so scrappy girl project I ended up launching in the fall of 2023. I had literally just left the law firm that I was at, not even 24 hours. And because I had been thinking about it for so long, I was like, you know what? You have money, you have time, just do it. And so I registered the company, I think it was 12 hours after those things,

Megan Senese (15:05):
No

Aubria Ralph (15:06):
Time. That's awesome. And for me, it was one of those things where I was like, okay, I can keep trying to fight an uphill battle or I can actually do something. At this point, I had heard enough stories about other people's experiences at other firms. It wasn't just the one firm. It was kind of like, and then I found out it wasn't just firms, it was at nonprofit. It didn't really matter where you were being a lawyer, you were going to have some kind of uncomfortable experience at the lower end of the spectrum to something potentially career destroying. And so the point was I started off and I was like, you know what? I'm just going to start my leadership consulting company and scrappy girl project, because one, I'm scrappy and there are two definitions of why I am scrappy. One, it doesn't matter how many pieces you smash me into, I will come back together form a new masterpiece and get going. But two, kind of no matter what you hand me, I will make do with it. I will make something out of it. And so it's like I love that quote from Muhammad Ali, smooth like a butterfly, sing like a bee.

(16:37):
And so for me, that's the scrappiness. It's like I can mingle and I can move with whatever you kind of put before me. And if I need to hit back, I will. And I think that could be positive or negative depending on what you're hitting me with,

Megan Senese (16:55):
Depending on what you're hitting. It sort of reminds me. And the term a Japanese word is maybe you know it, but it's when you break apart all of the pieces of tiny porcelain and you put it together with gold. Do you know what I'm talking about? It's like a form of art. We'll have to look it up. But

Aubria Ralph (17:14):
Yeah, we'll have to, I don't know. You stumped me, Megan. I wasn't

Megan Senese (17:18):
Trying to trick you. I just was like, lemme ask the dictionary. I'm assuming you'll know this. There's this form of art where you smash pieces together, and the whole point is that what you put back together with this beautiful gold glue paint or whatever, becomes something even more beautiful. And when you were talking about being smashed into pieces and being scrappy, that's what the vision or the image that came to mind. That's what I think of when I think of you is you're this beautiful piece put together with gold. That's what I think. It's

Aubria Ralph (17:50):
Kintsugi. That's really nice. Thank you.

Jennifer Ramsey (17:53):
Yeah, it's Kintsugi. Thank you. It's a philosophy that embraces the history and imperfections of an object or a human, that the breaks are seen as a part of the object story and are celebrated rather than hidden.

Megan Senese (18:08):
I love this. I

Jennifer Ramsey (18:09):
Love it. You love isn't Isn't that

Megan Senese (18:10):
Beautiful?

Jennifer Ramsey (18:11):
Yeah. With just gold shining all

Aubria Ralph (18:13):
Through it. Love.

Jennifer Ramsey (18:15):
I hope I'm saying it right. But yeah, kintsugi, K-E-N-T-S-U-G-I for everybody.

Aubria Ralph (18:21):
Okay. Kgi

Jennifer Ramsey (18:22):
Golden repair. That's the easy way to remember it. Golden repair.

Aubria Ralph (18:26):
I love it.

Megan Senese (18:27):
So if you had to pick a moment in your career that, I mean we're talking about all these messy pieces and breaking apart, that sums up the messiness of being a lawyer because you also teach, right? Aren't you teaching as well?

Aubria Ralph (18:46):
Yeah. I was a professor for a while, nine and a half years.

Megan Senese (18:52):
So a professor, a finance lawyer, an author, a trauma-informed leadership consultant.

Jennifer Ramsey (18:59):
A polymath.

Megan Senese (19:00):
A polymath.

Jennifer Ramsey (19:01):
And then I did have to look up another word and I really want to know about this Aubria intercessor.

Aubria Ralph (19:08):
So what that means, I'm a prayer warrior, so I actually pray about everything. That's why sometimes people who know people can see behind the veil of Aubria and all the things that come at me on a daily basis, they're always kind of like, dude, how do you have time to pour into me right now? How are you even a good person right now? And I think frankly, everybody is going through a lot every day. Sometimes we're not even aware when it's happening. But I have the unfortunate gift of a heightened awareness of almost everything. So I feel like I'm always just super bombarded. And so I spend a lot of time alone. And in that alone time, I read the Bible and I pray and I ask, I'm like, God, I've been a Christian for years, but now I'm like, God, if you are for real, and what you said right here is for real, you need to manifest because I can't. And what I will say is I feel like I've been telling God I can't do this since I was 18 years old. And I get to the other side and I'm like, oh, okay. I guess you could after all, I just did that,

(20:29):
Right? Yeah. And so there's this beautiful scripture in the New Testament where the apostle Paul says, be anxious for nothing. Instead pray about everything, making your petitions unknown to the Lord. And so for me, I always tell people I've never suffered from anxiety because literally when a problem hits my default is if it's not a problem, I have the capacity to fix or that I know somebody who could fix it. I'm like, okay, this is above the human pay grade. And I'm like, all right, God, this is, you sort it out and I just leave it and I move on. I wish I could do that with more things though. Oh my

Jennifer Ramsey (21:14):
God, this is mind blowing. I'm trying to

Aubria Ralph (21:16):
Do everything

Jennifer Ramsey (21:19):
That is beautiful. That is the tagline of this entire, that is so beautiful. Will you say that one more time, that scripture, what you just said,

Aubria Ralph (21:31):
Be anxious for nothing. Instead pray about everything, making your petitions known to the Lord.

Jennifer Ramsey (21:36):
I mean, you are talking to two crazy anxiety ladies right here on this podcast. And that is just the anxious about nothing. I mean, that's just very profound and beautiful. And that's why I frequent love our podcast, Megan, because we meet people like Aubria who's like an angel on earth and a prayer warrior. How beautiful is that?

Megan Senese (22:00):
And what I love about that, because Jen and I talk about, well, we haven't on the podcast yet, but now we are. Who knew we were going to talk about faith and religion today? Because I was raised super Catholic, very conservative Catholic, and I do not practice any of those formal

Aubria Ralph (22:18):
Sacraments,

Megan Senese (22:19):
Yes, formalities anymore. However, there are many things like manifestation and putting out good vibes, and that I have been aligned more towards being a good human. And then Jen, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you've said to me that you're like a buffet. What was the word you used?

Jennifer Ramsey (22:38):
I'm a buffet Catholic, a buffet Catholic. I pick what I like and what works for me and aligns, and then I don't even look at the stuff that doesn't match up with my values.

Megan Senese (22:53):
Like love is love and

Jennifer Ramsey (22:55):
Love is love, and everyone is welcome here. Yeah, I think there's a spirituality too that can be different than religion. I do yoga, Aubria, that's one of my high passions in life, and it's a form of religion almost for me, but there's a sense of spirituality to it as well if people want to invite that in. For some people it's a physical practice and that's great, but it can be a lot more than that too. And I just think all of these facets come together and I just love learning about what you just said, an intercessor or prayer warrior and just what people believe and value, and I just think it's beautiful. Anyway, okay. Stop rambling now.

Megan Senese (23:40):
No, you're not rambling. I love

Aubria Ralph (23:42):
No, it's free. I mean, I think what I love about podcasts and why I agreed to come on this one, it was after my interactions and early conversations with Megan. To me, there's beauty in the

Megan Senese (23:59):
Naturalness

Aubria Ralph (24:01):
And openness of conversation. And I think that growing up, that was something that was very common, even in a household. I'm West Indian, and so there are just certain things you don't talk about,

(24:17):
But I see in my household, we even talked sometimes about things you don't talk about in a way where it was just this need to just again, bring awareness of what we're dealing with on any given day and feeling even in the unsafe feeling, doing it anyway and realizing, oh wait, four of us are having a similar response to the thing. And thank you for sharing that because although you thought you were going to be unsafe, you're actually among people who can actually understand where you're coming from and show you true empathy, having experienced the thing. But I also think there's a lot to be learned and something I just feel that is so missing about just having conversations. I don't think there needs to be a huge conclusion every time I grew up that way. I feel like even in school, it was in that way. There was never, except for a math class or a science class at the time, there was always room for critical thinking

Jennifer Ramsey (25:38):
And

Aubria Ralph (25:38):
Kind of fleshing out a thing and challenging a thing. And now I feel like our society is very much not that. It's like, no, you must believe what I believe, or no, you must have to say it this exact way or it's wrong. And it's like, well, I am learning about this new thing and I'm growing and developing, and that's part of what I do in my leadership development is helping. Because I feel that facade of having it all figured out just needs to, we need to kill that and bury it quick.

Megan Senese (26:16):
No, the more people I talk to, everyone is just figuring it out together or as they're going. And there are ways that things might work for that person. And so usually when I'm trying to tell this is what has worked for me, this what's worked for other people, but it is always a suggestion. It doesn't mean that if it doesn't work for you, I'm talking about basic stuff like this is how you network. If that means if it doesn't work for you, don't do that. Think it's that

Aubria Ralph (26:50):
Permission

Megan Senese (26:52):
Of if it doesn't work for you doesn't mean that you are the flawed one. It just means we need to find a new approach. And so I really like that there doesn't always have to be a conclusion that speaks to me deeply. And that's where a lot of my anxiety actually does come from. Jen is like, yep, I totally see this for you, because I will be like, I just want this resolved and I want it resolved right now. Right now. I don't want to feel like this. I don't want what's going to happen with my job or what's going to happen with this person. And that's a good mantra to have. It doesn't have a conclusion. I'll have to sit with that for a while. Thank you for

Jennifer Ramsey (27:36):
That. Yeah, there's a lot of good, there's some good nuggets of profoundness in this podcast. This is the profound podcast.

Aubria Ralph (27:47):
I'll actually share one more thing because I think I need to share it so people know. So this week leading up to this podcast,

Megan Senese (27:57):
Yes,

Aubria Ralph (27:57):
I've had probably a hundred rejections or nos. It's starting Monday and this is why I have to pray.

Megan Senese (28:10):
Do you want to tell us what new project are you pitching this to?

Aubria Ralph (28:14):
And it's really crazy. It's stuff that's just been in the pipeline

Megan Senese (28:20):
That

Aubria Ralph (28:20):
I've been waiting on responses for. And so it was on Monday, I think it was 3:00 PM and I was like, so that's like 10 nos and stuff where my brain was just kind of

Megan Senese (28:38):
One after the other, after the other.

Aubria Ralph (28:41):
For me, I don't care about this stuff the way, it's like a stretch goal. Anything maniacal that I'm thinking I'm going to accomplish, I'm like, it'll happen when it happens. So I'll take all the nos on the crazy thing. But for me, what drives me mad is the stuff that is supposed to be a no-brainer. I remember applying for legal roles early last year where on four corners my experience and the job description exact, it was like the exact match and they passed and no explanation or anything. And I remember thinking, what's that about? You said you wanted this, I am this because I was doing this thing where for me, it's on the one hand trying to prove a point because a lot of people have told me I'll never practice law again in a firm. And so part of me remaining an attorney, although I don't flash my Esquire everywhere, you look me up. I'm legit. I'm still legit. You can call me if you need a lawyer.

Megan Senese (29:59):
I just imagine you walking around with flashing like an quire. It's very visual and I love it. You just walking down the street and being like, oh, yeah, boom, squire.

Aubria Ralph (30:15):
Okay, sorry.

Megan Senese (30:18):
You had so many rejections this week.

Aubria Ralph (30:20):
Yeah, no, and it's funny because I actually posted about one of them this morning and then I was like, you know what? I'm not going to post about you. So I had had it scheduled. So I think two people liked it and it was like six. Did you delete it? Yeah,

Megan Senese (30:38):
Deleted it. I don't think I saw it. Okay.

Aubria Ralph (30:39):
No, I removed it. I removed it and I thought, you know what? I'm going to stop giving rejection space. And so you think there doesn't have to be a conclusion?

Megan Senese (30:52):
Yeah.

Aubria Ralph (30:53):
Rejection no longer has space,

Megan Senese (30:56):
No space

Aubria Ralph (30:57):
Because I'm tired of the rejection is redirection mantra. It just gives me a headache. I'll just be honest about that. Every time I see it, it makes me crazy.

Megan Senese (31:10):
What is it? How does it go? There's a formal mantra. It's

Aubria Ralph (31:14):
Literally just rejection is redirection. I feel like I've seen that. I don't know a gajillion times in the last however many. So every time I hear it, I think about those moments where it was a no-brainer and I got a no. And so my thing is rejection is actually robbery because in my experience of rejection has always been somebody trying to take stuff I already earned. It's never been something that I didn't already have within my grasp. There was always a with trying to prevent me from achieving the thing that I want. Yeah,

Megan Senese (31:59):
The alternative, I don't know if you've done this one, but the alternative to rejection is a redirection, which I guess I actually haven't heard. So that's hilarious, is I will get good news in 24 hours. That's just like a mantra that I have been

Jennifer Ramsey (32:13):
Saying for myself. Yeah, I like that. That's good. I like that one that you have

Aubria Ralph (32:17):
Because it's definitely better than it is redirection. What

Megan Senese (32:24):
IGPS? Yeah. I just repeat it to myself. And then I find that the smallest thing could be the good news. And I do think I'm a pessimistic person generally. I just feel like I'm, thank you, Jen. I just feel like the bad overshadows the good. I'm looking for the bad, right? All of this fucked up thing happened and this fucked up. I'm ignoring you guys, but this thing happened. So when I redid my brain or reworking on my brain of saying, I will get good news in 24 hours, I have gotten some piece of good news, whether that's someone texts me I haven't heard from a while, or it's a work piece, or My kids went to bed easy, whatever. I'm like, that was the good news. That was the good news. It could be small, it could be big. So I'm like, it's not for me to decide what the good news will be, what the good news is. I think I had gotten, someone said something nice and I was like, well, I didn't hear back on that pitch that I had sent. I was like, what? I'm not in charge of what good news I get.

(33:33):
So that has been helpful when I'm starting to feel real shitty about I'm not doing enough or I didn't get enough wins, or I got this proposal in and I still don't feel excited, which is a conversation for a different day, when's it ever enough? But I will get good news in 24 hours has been really helpful for me in our new life.

Jennifer Ramsey (33:53):
I like that. That's good, Megan. I'm proud of you.

Megan Senese (33:55):
Thanks girlfriend.

Jennifer Ramsey (33:57):
Thanks.

Aubria Ralph (33:58):
I'm proud of you too, Megan. That's really

Jennifer Ramsey (34:00):
Good.

Aubria Ralph (34:01):
I know, I know. It's a lot ing pessimist.

Jennifer Ramsey (34:04):
Yeah, that's big. And it's really beautiful. It's big and beautiful and bold. I love that. And you say that a lot. So I think that when I say you say that a lot, you've said that to me a lot when we get a rejection first of stage, for example, and I don't think it really hit me exactly like you explaining a little bit more now on this podcast.

Megan Senese (34:27):
Yeah. I try to it my kids too, and they're helpful.

Jennifer Ramsey (34:30):
We're

Megan Senese (34:30):
Driving to school and I was like, we're going to get good news in 24 hours. And we just say that to each other now and then I'm trying to shift their thinking also, when you're talking about critical thinking and to look for the good, it's a habit. It's a habit. You have to be trained. My husband has grown up that way. I did not grow up that way. And so it's just a retrain. And so I've been really trying to work hard, trying to work hard on that. So people want to, our goal is always to get people paid. So if people want to pay you and hire you, where can they find you?

Aubria Ralph (35:04):
Well, you can find me on LinkedIn. Relatively easy. I think I'm the only Aubria Ralph.

Megan Senese (35:10):
Or are you aub?

Aubria Ralph (35:11):
I'm back to being Aubria or Ralph. And Megan is referencing a moment I was having in April where I was Ralph Aubria briefly for a few days as I was playing with chat GPT, and it decided that I was a white man. And so I decided to see if he could hang out as me on LinkedIn for a few days. And it was actually very intriguing. I write about it, so you can actually check it out on LinkedIn and my featured section, but I'm on LinkedIn, very easy, linkedin.com/in/Aubria because I want to be one of those people that people refer to just by their first names at some point in my life. So like Oprah, Madonna, Beyonce,

Megan Senese (35:59):
Aubria.

Aubria Ralph (35:59):
Aubria.

Jennifer Ramsey (36:01):
I love it.

Jennifer Ramsey (36:03):
I love it so much. I got to bring it in and conjure up all of the amazing conversation that we had today because our podcast really is about the human experience that we all share together and how beautiful it is and the fact that it's such a gift to be able to meet new people. And I met a new person today, Aubry, and what a freaking gift that is. And so on my way out of here, we like to say to everyone, stay human, stay inspired, and namaste.

Megan Senese (36:41):
That's it for today. Join us next time on So Much To Say: A Legal Podcast for People. Can't get enough of us? Visit us at www.stage.guide