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TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays from 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with full episodes posted to Spotify immediately after airing.
Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” TBPN has interviewed Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. Diet TBPN delivers the best moments from each episode in under 30 minutes.
What a massive week last week. Alex Karp going back to back with Travis Kalanick. The reactions to the Travis Kalanick interview was phenomenal. I I was reading them all week.
Speaker 2:I was still emotional the next day.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And there's something I I I posted this on one of those one of those clips that someone just shared. It was like, this is a great clip and I was there because like, you know, you're in
Speaker 2:the moment and I know don't realize barely barely do I reflect too much on different interviews Yeah. Because there's always the next day of interviews. But, you know, watching some of the clips back, Guillermo from Vercel put together that hour long So good. Like, kind of motivational video.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It was so good. I think that the Travis Kalanick mindset Yeah. Has been missing. Totally. When he kind of left
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:There was there's been a Travis sized hole
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:In the industry, in the culture. Yeah. And to see him come back and in, you know, forty five minutes basically just give the advice that I think like everyone that's building in some way can
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Can benefit from.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Not everyone is gonna be Travis, but there isn't anybody out there that's done what Travis has done that is kind of like preaching that. And I don't like listening to founder porn Yeah. Content personally. It's not it's not appealing. But when it comes from Travis
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It is just another level.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like the right message at the right time.
Speaker 2:That the thing the thing that I was I was kinda pulling on is like right now, there's a lot of easy money everywhere. Right? There's teams that have built nothing that can raise between 50 to $1,000,000,000 Yeah. At times. And and his feedback on that, his point of view was like, okay, is capital really a constraint in your business?
Speaker 2:How much does it matter? How much is it gonna matter in terms of the competitive dynamics of your market? And if it matters, and in a lot of these AI categories, it does. Mhmm. And if it matters and it was easy Yeah.
Speaker 2:That means you didn't go hard enough.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. That that
Speaker 2:that was the best line. And that was like the best Like,
Speaker 1:if money matters, as we all agree So you
Speaker 2:raised $1,000,000,000 Why didn't you raise $2,000,000,000 If money matters, why didn't you raise $3,000,000,000 Like, oh, it was easy? That means you didn't go hard enough.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I mean, that's somewhat the subject of what Dylan Patel was talking to Dorcasch about Dorcasch on Patel podcast, fantastic show, by the way, fantastic episode, about this, like, you know, risk on, being aggressive. And Ben Thompson wrote about that today, you know, through a different lens, talking about, are we in a bubble? Maybe. But, like, all the numbers are penciling out, so go, go, go.
Speaker 1:Like, now is the time to scale.
Speaker 2:Let's That was personal highlight
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:Building TBPN
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:Friday.
Speaker 1:Yeah. No, that's great. Let's read through Brandon Guerrell's deep dive on the AI versus dog cancer, what happened. So late Friday, there was a story about an Australian tech entrepreneur named Paul Coiningham reducing the size of his dog Rosie's cancerous tumor by designing a custom mRNA vaccine with the help of Chachi BT, and it produced a substantial amount of discourse over the weekend. Separating facts from the hype cycle around the story, Coiningham is an AGI pilled tech guy with seventeen years of experience in machine learning and data analysis, at one time being a director at a nonprofit called the Data Science and AI Association of Australia.
Speaker 2:Talk about an incredible association. We don't have enough data science and AI associations globally. It's true. It's great to hear that.
Speaker 1:So that after his dog, Rosie, had been diagnosed with a deadly mast cell cancer in 2024, Cunningham used CHADGPT to brainstorm ways he could help. And he did an interview on this, and here's a quote from him. He said, I went to CHADGPT and came up with a plan on how to do this. The first step was to reach out to the university to get Rosie's DNA sequenced. Is there not a 23andMe for dogs yet or something like that?
Speaker 1:Who's doing who's doing full genome sequencing these days? I guess I guess dog dog DNA is probably a separate assay, separate separate process.
Speaker 2:Embark. Embark. Test.
Speaker 3:You could
Speaker 1:do it. Okay. Well, anyway, he went to the he went to a university, probably for a good reason, probably got good good data. He said the idea is you take the healthy DNA out of her blood, and then you take the DNA out of her tumor, and you sequence both of them to see exactly where the mutations have occurred. It's like having the original engine of your car, and then a version of the engine at 300,000 kilometers down the road.
Speaker 1:You can compare them and see where there's damage. So once the University of New South Wales produced the DNA sequencing, mister Cunningham ran it through a whole bunch of different data pipelines. So there's a this is something that we're gonna go into, you know, throughout this story is the question of like, much was this cure my dog cancer, one shot it, don't make mistakes? I don't think anyone's saying that. But very quickly, there was, like, an incentive to amplify this into, the hype, like, this crazy story.
Speaker 1:And then there was also, an incentive to like dehype this all the way, and the truth, of course, is in the middle. So that's where we're going get today. Once the DNA sequence was produced, he ran it through a whole bunch of custom different data pipelines to find those mutations and then used other algorithms to find drugs to treat the cancer. With the help of the University of New South Wales, Cunningham identified a pharmaceutical company that produces an immunotherapy drug that looked like a good candidate for Rosie. So the drug already existed or was available, but the company refused to supply it to him because I don't think it was approved for this particular indication in this particular species.
Speaker 1:So he was out of luck there. He then turned to, again, the University of New South Wales, their RNA institute, which used Coiningham's data crunched down to a half page formula to create a bespoke mRNA vaccine for Rosie, again from the story, Coiningham ran an algorithm to inform the design of the mRNA and sent it to us, and we made a little nanoparticle. And it's democratizing the whole process, they said. This was the Paul Thornton. After several months of navigating red tape, Coiningham and his team administered the vaccine to Rosie, which was effective.
Speaker 1:One of her tumors shrank by half, though she is not completely cured. And that's just kind of the nature of cancer, like cells are dividing all the time, everyone has some sort of low level baseline of cancer, most dogs have like a little bit. The question is like, Is it runaway? Is it bad? Is it terrible?
Speaker 1:And then it's hard to just like snap your fingers and cure it completely, but if you get the amount of cancer down really, really far, then you will of course survive. The important thing is that Cunningham says the quality of life of the dog Rosie is much better now. So on X, the news of the story turned into a heated debate on health regulation. Yes. What is that?
Speaker 2:That was for Rosie.
Speaker 4:That's for the dog. Air horn for Rosie.
Speaker 1:Air horn for the dog. That's great. Turning to a heated debate on health regulation after biomedical engineer Patrick Heiser posted that, It is trivially easy to make a single mRNA vaccine. It's not hard. And Hank Green, a prominent YouTuber, issued something of a rebuttal, which we can go through later.
Speaker 1:A separate thread in the discourse is focused on the promise of LLM's democratizing access to medical science with OpenAI President Greg Brockman, quote tweeting the story with the caption, a small window into the opportunity of AGI. Well, Coiningham didn't literally cure Rosie's cancer with ChatGPT, as Stripe CEO Patrick Collison pointed out. It acted as a high powered search tool that ultimately helped his team get to an amazing outcome. Sort of George Hox.
Speaker 2:So we've to move the goalposts? Think we've
Speaker 5:to I'm ready to move them.
Speaker 1:Think We're moving the goalposts.
Speaker 2:I mean, we'd be
Speaker 1:Where are we moving them to? It has to actually you have to be able to type cure my cancer, and then from your phone, it just deposits a pill that you just take.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Is that what it
Speaker 2:It has to locally end to end.
Speaker 1:No. Ideally ideally, it would be not even a pill that you take. It can just create a video that you
Speaker 2:The right watch pattern of light.
Speaker 1:The right pattern of light coming from and sound. So the phone has light and sound. And so the light flashes in your eyes at a certain rate. It rewires your brain, and your brain decides to go kill the cancer.
Speaker 4:Yeah. And and
Speaker 2:we've we've talked about this a bunch. Yeah. I think I think it would be helpful for the industry to refocus some messaging on not AI is going to cure cancer Yes. But human humanity is gonna use AI
Speaker 1:to Yes.
Speaker 2:Cure cancer and do a number of other things, right? And so the bar is not just like one shotting it with a prompt and it sends it to a lab and you get a, you know, some type of treatment in the mail. Maybe we, I can imagine that in the future, right? Something to that effect. But it is an enabler, it's a tool.
Speaker 2:And this has allowed someone to become, not an expert in something, but to help somebody understand a process enough to go out and find the right experts to help them solve their problem. And I think it's incredibly inspiring. So excited to have him on the show later.
Speaker 1:Freeman Dyson argues that biotechnology will become small and domesticated rather than big and centralized. If AI continues to reduce the cognitive overhead required to navigate biological knowledge and assemble complex pipelines, the boundary between professional research and motivated individuals may begin to blur. That shift will require careful thinking about safety, governance, and responsibility, but it also carries an exciting possibility. Dyson imagined a world in which biological design might eventually become something like a creative craft practiced not only by institutions, but also by curious individuals experimenting at smaller scales.
Speaker 2:The reality of cancer treatment, from my understanding, is, and this was based on a late family member that had cancer and ultimately passed away. During his treatment process, which was around a year and a half, he was getting looks at different treatments that were promising. Yeah. Some of which he was able to do. Some he didn't qualify for.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Just based on his personal situation. Even though there was a there was a decent chance that it could have had a positive effect. Yeah. And that sort of the insane frustration that an individual feels or a family feels when they're like, hey, if something's terminal or it's looking really bad, it's progressing in the wrong direction and there's a treatment out there that is somewhat trivial to actually make, but you just don't qualify for it.
Speaker 2:That level of frustration will eventually drive more individuals, I think, to do this. And so there's definitely some safety. There's huge safety concerns. There's ethical concerns. Yeah.
Speaker 2:There's these are things that we have to work through. But ultimately, there's gonna be enough like human energy and just overall desire to live that people will take risks that Yeah. They wouldn't take for a bunch of other more sort of like trivial sort of issues.
Speaker 1:It does feel like the FDA's stance might need to change in this case. Like they clearly have a role to play currently and in the future where biotech becomes more democratized. But yeah, hopefully there's some good symbiotic relationship there with the broader biotech community as it gets bigger. I have a similar story with someone who developed a rare illness and was able to go and read academic research at a very deep level. Didn't have a background in biotech or anything like that, but was able this was pre AI, was able to read, like, every published research paper that was at all related to this particular illness, and found the world expert in this particular disease, contacted the professor, and the professor said, Yes, you have the thing that I've been studying, and I've only found five people or 10 people in my entire career that have this thing.
Speaker 1:Come down, I will operate on you. The operation happened. It was successful, and it was fundamentally a high agency person doing a lot of research. And if AI just acts as a search tool that democratizes that, you're going to get better results. So even if we're not in like one shot in curing cancer, that just feels like making search easier, making research easier, huge benefit.
Speaker 1:How was your weekend, Tyler? Was good. Yeah. It was good? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Did you go to any data centers or are are you
Speaker 5:No data centers this week. No.
Speaker 2:I was in SF. Yeah. Didn't you go to a pig roast?
Speaker 5:Yeah. That was on Friday. Okay. I was in El Segundo.
Speaker 1:How was SF? Is something big happening there? Does it feel like being in Wuhan in February 2020?
Speaker 5:Something something big was happening. Yeah? There was I went to a debate.
Speaker 1:Oh, you went to the debate? Okay. Cool. How was that?
Speaker 5:It was good. Yeah? Yeah. It was about the billionaire tax.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:What's Jensen's is doing his keynote at GTC. Should we pull up the livestream?
Speaker 1:We can.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Institutional investor. These three people are deep in technology, deep in what's going on, and, of course, they have just a really broad reach of technology ecosystem. And then, of course, all of the VIPs that I hand selected to join us today, all star team. I wanna thank all of you for that.
Speaker 1:All star team. The leather jacket really has just aged so well.
Speaker 3:I also wanna thank all the companies that are here. NVIDIA, as you know, is a platform company.
Speaker 1:Mic drop. We have technology. We have our platform everyone uses
Speaker 3:He is. Is. And today, there are probably a 100% of the $100,000,000,000,000 of industry here. 450 companies sponsored this event.
Speaker 1:A 100.
Speaker 3:I wanna thank you.
Speaker 1:A trillion dollars of industry.
Speaker 3:A thousand
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 3:Technical sessions, 2,000 speakers.
Speaker 2:This is 2,000 speakers?
Speaker 3:Wow. Every single layer.
Speaker 1:Doing one they're gonna do more interviews than we've done all year. Shell the infrastructure
Speaker 2:In one day.
Speaker 1:Chips For two days.
Speaker 3:To the platforms, the models, and of course, the most important, and ultimately, what's gonna take get this industry taken off is all of the applications. This is the twentieth anniversary of CUDA. We've been working on CUDA for twenty years. Twenty years. For twenty years, we've been dedicated to this architecture.
Speaker 3:This revolutionary invention, SIMT, single instruction, multithreading Alright.
Speaker 2:Very, very cool. Let's get back the timeline.
Speaker 1:My take on the whole AI cures dog cancer in Australia is a very interesting story, but perhaps not for the reasons that are being noted. In 2007, Freeman Dyson published an essay in the New York Review of Books called Our Biotech Future. It contains one of the most memorable predictions about the future of biology that I've ever read. I predict that the domestication of biotechnology will dominate our lives during the next years at least as much as the domestication of computers has dominated our lives during the previous fifty years. Dyson believed biology would eventually follow the trajectory of computing.
Speaker 1:At first, powerful tools live inside large institutions, universities, government labs, major companies. Over time, these tools get cheaper, easier to use, and more widely distributed. Eventually, individuals start doing things that once required entire organizations. You will be manager of infinite minds. You will have, you know, a million agents, and you will also have access to the equivalent of a university lab filled with biotechnology equipment.
Speaker 1:Biotech will become small and domesticated rather than big and centralized. This is very interesting in the age of AI because there's been this narrative of like AI is a centralizing technology. It is very power law driven. This is sort of counter to that. I don't exactly know how to piece those two things together, but it is interesting that his prediction was actual decentralization in this particular category.
Speaker 1:He even imagined genome design becoming almost artistic. Designing genomes will be a personal thing, a new art form as creative as painting or sculpture. Dyson's words rang in my mind as I read the AI cures dog cancer story. Much of the coverage framed in
Speaker 2:I gotta say, it's very easy to imagine you in twenty years. I'm like, John, like, you gotta tell us your anabolic steroids. And you're like, it's kind of a personal thing. It's kind of a personal thing. It's kind of like an artisanal process Yes.
Speaker 2:That I go through. It's
Speaker 1:a sculpture.
Speaker 2:I'm sort of sculpting myself. I can't really I can't I'm sorry. I can't I can't really share my stack with you, but it's a personal thing. So Yeah. Go go and kind of figure out your own stack.
Speaker 1:The scientific pipeline involved here is actually well known. It closely mirrors the workflow used in personalized neoantigen vaccine research that has been under active development for years. The steps are fairly standard: sequence the tumor, identify somatic mutations, predict which mutated peptides might be recognized by the immune system, encode those sequences into an mRNA construct, and deliver them to stimulate an immune response. The biological targets themselves were almost certainly not new discoveries. I have been unable to find out what they are, but mutations in targets like KIT, which are common, might be involved.
Speaker 1:Since the hardest part of drug discovery, whether in humans or dogs, is target validation, the lack of which leads to a lack of efficacy, the number one reason for drug failure. In neoantigen vaccines, the proteins involved are usually ordinary cellular proteins that happen to contain tumor specific mutations. AlphaFold, which was used to map the mutations onto specific protein structures, is now a standard part of drug discovery pipelines. That's fascinating. The challenge is identifying which mutated peptides might plausibly trigger immunity.
Speaker 1:What is interesting, though, is how the pipeline was assembled. Normally, this type of workflow spans multiple domains: genomics, bioinformatics, immunology and translational medicine. And in institutional settings, those pieces are distributed across specialized teams: document sources and legal and technical barriers Navigating the literature, selecting computational tools, interpreting sequencing results and designing a candidate mRNA construct is typically a collaborative process. In this case, AI appears to have helped compress that process, pulling together data and tools from different sources. Instead of requiring multiple experts, a motivated individual was able to assemble the workflow with AI acting as a kind of guide through the technical landscape.
Speaker 1:That is fascinating.
Speaker 2:Lee says, Chiagibeti cure cancer. Make no mistakes. Biomedical engineering industry, yeah, don't do this. It's easy and effective, but we can't make enough money off of it.
Speaker 1:That's ridiculous. It's surprising, G Fodor says, it's surprising how people are so blatantly talking past each other on this. The point is that the system of clinical trials is predicated on an assumption that a given drug will work on a cohort. What if there are lots of drugs that will only work on one person? A big desire and push for rethinking the system of clinical trials, if you're going to have personalized medicine.
Speaker 2:What does that mean? We gotta go to probably the most important story of the day. Gabe says Yes. He had a dream Mhmm. That Apple released a 32 inch MacBook called the MacBook Pro Ultra Wide and it looked like this.
Speaker 2:I bought one and unlocked extreme productivity and then it wouldn't fit into my backpack. So I had to leave it behind.
Speaker 1:Oh, no. But this is this is sort of like They should make this. On that other laptop that we saw.
Speaker 2:They should honestly make this.
Speaker 1:They should.
Speaker 2:Walking around looking That's true. Maybe you could put skateboard trucks on it Yeah. So that you could use it as trans transport.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's more of like a snowboard build that you like carry over your shoulder like this. Or surfboard, you know. People throw it on the top of your car like
Speaker 2:that. Three fingers.
Speaker 1:Why? You don't put a surf surfboard on the top of your car?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, real ones don't.
Speaker 1:Oh. What do they do? They put it inside the car?
Speaker 2:Truck battery in inside okay. Yeah. Well, in in I don't it's you can you can clock if somebody's actually a surfer or not just by the way they go Low. Beach with the board.
Speaker 1:Okay. Dylan Patel said on DoorDash, the TAM for g p c 5.4 is north of a $100,000,000,000, but there's adoption lag. That's considered AGI as far as the Microsoft OpenAI contract is concerned. Sam Carter says the reported 1,000,000,000 of profit is no longer the sole trigger for confidential IP research access. It reportedly includes an independent expert review.
Speaker 1:You were saying Joe Rogan would be on that. Andrew Huberman. Huberman. The experts would be on there. You gotta trust them at all times.
Speaker 2:Theo Vaughan, maybe.
Speaker 1:You. The funniest thing about that actually would like to know that panel of experts whether where they deem AGI. Because I feel like between all of them, they could they could chat with the chatbots and be like, it's like not that good yet.
Speaker 2:Should we go over Ben Thompson's post from this morning?
Speaker 1:Ben Ben Thompson over Bubbles.
Speaker 2:Published this this morning. This is To me, the second I saw that, I started reading it. It felt like taking a double scoop of c four.
Speaker 1:I was Is that a pre workout?
Speaker 2:Yeah. You never
Speaker 1:I know the can. I didn't know it was a
Speaker 2:You never you never dabbled?
Speaker 1:What was the one that we I I'm more out of the gorilla mind one. That's the one that I
Speaker 2:Many people have said you have the mind of a gorilla.
Speaker 1:Yes. Yes. Yes. For more plates, more days. So you got pumped up.
Speaker 2:I got pumped up.
Speaker 3:Did you
Speaker 2:Ben writes, there's a weird paradox in terms of AI prognostication. Prognostication. That was a good good effort, Jordy. On one hand one hand, you don't wanna be the one to completely dismiss the most terrifying doomsday scenarios. Who wants to be found out to be foolishly optimistic?
Speaker 2:At the same time, there's also pressure to give credence to the possibility that we are in a bubble and and all of this hype and spending is going to go belly up. While I've argued against the former, I've very I've very much been on board with the latter making the case that bubbles can be good. Sitting here in March 2026, however, on the morning of NVIDIA's GTC, I've come to a different conclusion. I don't think we're in a bubble.
Speaker 1:Let's go.
Speaker 2:Which paradoxically Let's may be the truest evidence we are.
Speaker 1:Where's the bubble gun? Let's get the bubble gun going.
Speaker 2:He writes, LLM paradigms over the last couple of weeks, first in the context of Nvidia earnings, and then last week in the context of Oracles. I've talked to you about three LLM inflection I've talked about three LM inflection points. I'm not going to go through all these. You guys chat We've
Speaker 1:about this a few times. Basically, LLMs, Reasoning Models, then Agents. And each one of those increases the demand exponentially for compute. Yeah.
Speaker 2:LM, ChatGPT, o one Yep. And then Opus Yep. As well as Claude Code and Codex.
Speaker 1:Codex, yeah.
Speaker 2:Basically getting to the point where tasks are being accomplished over hours and getting to great outcomes. And this is the interesting point. The decreased need for agency. The reason Ben has been writing about these three inflection points over the last couple weeks has been to explain why it is that the industry is so compute constrained and why the massive investment in the CapEx by the hyperscalers is justified. The first paradigm required a lot of compute for training, but inference actually answering a question was relatively efficient.
Speaker 2:You simply sent the user whatever the model spit out. The second paradigm dramatically increased the amount of computing needed for inference for two reasons. First, generating an answer required a lot more tokens because all of the reasoning required tokens in addition to the answer itself. Second, the fact that reasoning made the model so much more useful meant that they were used more, which drove increased token usage in its own right. It's a third paradigm, however, that has truly tipped the scales in favor of CapEx expenditure not being speculative investment, but but but rather badly needed investment in meeting demand that far exceeds supply.
Speaker 2:First, generating an answer will often entail multiple calls to a reasoning model. Second, the agent itself needs more compute, and that compute and the tools the agent uses is better done by CPUs and GPUs. Third, agents are another step function increase in usefulness, which means they're gonna be used even more than even reasoning models in a chatbot. It's how this third point will be manifested that I think is underappreciated. After all far.
Speaker 2:More people use chatbots than agents, but I would make the case that most people are not using chatbots as much as they should. It's been a question of agency. To get the most from AI requires actually taking the initiative to use AI.
Speaker 1:There was a very, very interesting take in here where he's talking about the Apple MacBook Neo launch, which is $599, I think $4.99 for education, potentially very disruptive to other laptop makers. You said
Speaker 2:still get discounts, Tyler? Or does it
Speaker 5:I think I yeah. I'm still scared.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. You're still I'm on leave. Because you're on leave. Yeah. That's great.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:I think I'm on There there are some legendary leave of absences where people have been away for like ten years. And then they go and do so many see, the the goal is to defer for so long that but then also have such a meteoric rise that they have to give you the honorary degree before while you're still eligible. That's a good one. The point about the MacBook Neo is that at $599 a lot of PC makers should be sort of quaking in their boots because you're selling at that price point. And for a customer who's just like, I want a $600 laptop, normally, was like, am I going with, like, ASUS or another brand?
Speaker 1:I'm not I'm not in the Apple category. Like, it's not an option because
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The that that store over there, those cut those laptops start over 1,000. That's not my budget, so I'm not even going in that store. Well, now you can, and you can spend $600 and get a pretty good computer. And the c CFO, Nick Wu, of Asus was on their recent earnings call, and he said, actually, don't worry about it. It's not a threat.
Speaker 1:We found out about the MacBook Neo shipments, in the second half of last year. We made some internal prep. But now that it's out, like, we don't think, it's that big of a deal. Like, it has some limitations. Specifically, it only has eight gigs of RAM.
Speaker 1:This is more focused on content consumption. It's not a mainstream notebook for notebook usage, for creation, for working. It's not a work device. It's a consumption device. It's more like an iPad.
Speaker 1:And Ben Thompson's point is that that's what people use these laptops for now. They they it is a lot of consumption. It it there aren't as many people who are in that $600 price target that are wanting to run powerful applications at that price point. As soon as you're running powerful applications locally, you're probably more of a business buyer and you can spend more. And then he goes on to apply that to AI, talking about enterprise and the value of companies have a demonstrated willingness to pay for software that makes their employees more productive, and AI certainly fits that bill in this regard.
Speaker 1:What makes enterprise executives truly salivate, however, is not the not the prospect of AI eliminating jobs, doing so precisely because it makes the company as a whole more productive, so increasing production.
Speaker 2:My interpretation is he's making the case that there are companies that could cut headcount and actually just grow faster Yeah. If they're implementing AI properly, not just replacing Yeah. Like the routine workloads.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:So he says agents, however, will tell much more heavily towards pure acceleration, making those drivers of value. Okay. Actually, I'm gonna start one paragraph. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Please.
Speaker 2:It's always been the case, even in large companies that a relatively small number of people actually move the needle and drive the company forward in meaningful ways. That drive, however, has been filtered through a huge apparatus filled with humans who accelerate the effort in some vectors and retard it in others. That apparatus makes broad impact possible, but it carries massive coordination costs. Agents, however, will tilt much more heavily towards pure acceleration, making those drivers of value much more impactful. I'm sympathetic to the argument that the best companies will wanna use AI to do more, not simply save money.
Speaker 2:The reality of large organizations, however, is that the net positive impact of AI will not be in eliminating jobs, but rather replacing hard to manage and motivate human cogs.
Speaker 1:It's it's such a funny ending where he has this point about like, you only need to be worried about a bubble when like, you don't need to be worried about a bubble if everyone's saying a because then then everyone's, like, risk off because everyone agrees that we're, oh, we're in a bubble. Let's not do bubble behavior. And so capitulation is is the sign of a bubble. And he's like, I'm I understand that, and still this is my take. It's a bold it's a bold take, but I think it's a good one.
Speaker 1:So Nebius and Meta have agreed to a $27,000,000,000 AI infrastructure pact deal. The talks are advanced to pact stage. Five year deal, 27,000,000,000 to supply AI infrastructure capacity to Meta. Nebius has really been an Ontario fascinating company, formerly part of Yandex, spun out, independent now, publicly traded, and, and just one of the neo clouds that's figured out that Microsoft deal and now seems to be doing good work with Meta. Nebius said it will provide $12,000,000,000 of dedicated capacity across multiple locations.
Speaker 1:Meta will also purchase up to $15,000,000,000 in additional capacity over the five year over the five year period. Nebius added that it will use large scale deployments of NVIDIA's next generation Vera Rubin AI infrastructure, which Jensen is surely talking about at GTC right now. Why do you have the paper in front of your face?
Speaker 2:The team earlier said I look like a third base coach. I'm covering up I'm covering up
Speaker 1:the place. Yeah. Because you don't wanna you don't wanna let everyone know what play you're calling.
Speaker 5:There you go.
Speaker 2:There was news Friday late a rumor. Meta is planning sweeping layoffs that could affect 20% or more of the company. Three sources familiar with the matter told Reuters, as Meta seeks to offset AI infrastructure bets and prepare for greater efficiency brought by AI assisted workers. Again, not super surprising. Stock's up around 2% today.
Speaker 2:Okay. I would expect this to pop even harder once these layoffs are actually announced.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Timothee Chalamet is getting taken to task in the Financial Times over his views on opera and ballet, of all things. It's quite sweet, really. So desperate are some people to get their knickers in a twist on the Internet that in the face of a lull in the culture wars, we have real wars now, the only thing they have found to get outraged about, recently relates to a man saying nobody cares about ballet or and opera anymore. The man I refer to is Timothee Chalamet, a talented young actor who stars in the multi Oscar nominated Marty Supreme.
Speaker 1:He said, I don't wanna be working in ballet or opera or things where it's like, hey, keep this thing alive even though, like, no one cares about this anymore. So his apparent instant regret, his slip felt felt a bit disingenuous. There's a world where the film and movie industry like does become like opera and ballet.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you why I think Yeah. This whole
Speaker 1:Kerfuffles happened.
Speaker 2:Kerfuffle Yeah. Happened. And as someone who doesn't really follow
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Hollywood, doesn't follow film, what is happening is he came out with the, like, this new, like, it's okay to pursue greatness Yeah. On the path to greatness.
Speaker 1:Sure. Sure. Sure.
Speaker 2:I'm I'm trying to be the GOAT. I'm trying to, you know,
Speaker 1:like Yeah.
Speaker 2:Coming out with this kind of, like, bravado. Bravado. Yeah. And if you do that and it's like, me, me, me, me, me. Sure.
Speaker 2:I'm I'm trying to be the greatest. Yeah. And then you start just randomly taking shots at another art form where other people are pursuing greatness. Sure. You just invite a lot of criticism.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Everyone's okay. Yeah. I think with somebody like being on their own personal pursuit of greatness Yeah. But if you're doing that while trying to tear down other art forms Yeah. You're just gonna invite massive criticism.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It it it does feel like he's sort of he's sort of collapsing, like, market cap and, like, TAM of, like, yes, the the opera TAM and the ballet TAM is smaller than film.
Speaker 4:I'm really right in the middle, Matthew, because I admire people, I've done it myself to go on a talk show and go, Hey, gotta keep movie theaters alive. You know, we gotta keep this genre alive. And another part of me feels like if people wanna see it like Barbie, like Oppenheimer, they're gonna go see it and go out of their way to be loud and proud about it. And I don't wanna be working in ballet or opera or, you know, things where it's like, Hey, keep this thing alive even though Yeah, Yeah. All respect to the ballet and opera people out there.
Speaker 4:I just lost 14¢ in viewership. But
Speaker 1:shots. Take crazy shot. That's not
Speaker 3:a shot.
Speaker 2:I hear what you're saying. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So
Speaker 2:If
Speaker 1:if, like, the creator of, like, GTA five, like, stood on stage and was just, like, we are 10 times the size of the Baseball. Of of baseball. But I mean, also like the movie industry. The gay the video gaming industry has been basically 10 times the size of the of the movie industry for You mean the movie theater business? No.
Speaker 1:Like like Hollywood.
Speaker 2:Gross.
Speaker 1:Right. Yeah. Totally.
Speaker 2:Raghav in the Twitch chat from deep says, NVIDIA CEO just said he sees 1,000,000,000,000 in revenue through 2027.
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Speaker 1:They didn't want us to pop.
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