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There, it's.
Hello ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to the Rack Show.
I today's, I am your host
today. Excuse me, Frank Veth.
Joining in the studio is
Tim Kelly. Tim, say hi.
Hey everyone.
All right. So we have an
exciting new show for you guys.
We're going to be talking about all
things, what self-defense, right?
Personal for your family, things
to think about, things to consider.
Really, we want to help
educate our community,
and one of the avenues we're going to
be doing that is through radio, right?
Through the radio waves, right? All right.
So with this being our first show,
introduction should be key. So again,
my name is Frank Veth.
I'm a firearms instructor
with Apache Solutions.
Have number of years of training
under my belt from several
firearms reputable instructors,
Tom Gibbons being one of them.
Arranged master, master
certified instructor,
hold competencies from North
Carolina, department of Justice,
hold number of
instructor ratings from
the NRA and several
different disciplines. Tim Kelly's
here in the studio joining me. Tim,
talk a little bit about yourself.
All right, so my name is Tim
Kelly. I'm the owner of Apache.
I started this business back in 2017 with
the intentions of creating a stronger
and more competent armed society. See,
I've been teaching or leading in some
way, shape, or form in the last 15,
20 years or so.
I'm a married man and
happily married and have two
kids, two wonderful kids.
Love everything outdoors and
love my job. It's a lot of fun.
So yeah, that's a little bit about me.
Giddy up. Thank you.
So why firearms training?
Why involve yourself in this at all?
Or excuse me, why self-defense, right?
So we have both talked about
self-defense, about living that life.
What does that mean to you
and why is this so important?
Why are we taking the time to talk to
our radio listening audience today?
So I had a pretty big
eyeopening experience after I
got out of the Marine Corps
and just I was wandering around aimlessly
trying to figure out what I was going
to do with myself,
and I uncovered a pretty significant
need for firearms training within the
community. Essentially, there was,
the only thing that was out there was
just your random concealed carry glasses,
or you're open to the public gun
ranges and that type of thing.
So I thought it would
be beneficial if we were
beneficial to our communities,
if we would build a business that
helped to guide people in the right
direction,
helped provide some type of metric to
hold themselves to and that sort of
thing. So self-defense is really
important to me and self preservation,
the ability to look out
for myself and my own,
and I think that's a right,
that I know that is a right.
We all have and we should be working
towards and working on building
up our skills in that. Yeah.
Man, and I completely agree with that.
One of the reasons why I
started down this path many,
many years ago was I had
an incident that shook me.
So young,
dumb 19 year old kid going down the
interstate and see a car that's pulling on
the side of the road. Lady looked like
she was having an issue with her tire.
So I pulled over to help what any
good citizen would do that we would
assume from that point got out,
tried to help this lady, ended up having
a gun pointed to the back of my head,
all my stuff stolen.
So truck gone, car key,
like keys, wallet, flip, phone
at the time, gone, nothing.
So from that incident,
that was a surprise of
maybe I need to look into
to some self preservation
skills. So went home,
told my grandfather about what had
happened, he said, here you go.
He was an old Ruger P 89, just
big monster of a hunk of metal.
Hunk of metal, huge hunting
metal. And from that
I grabbed,
I had that firearm and stuck it
on the dash of my truck and that
was it. Right now, I knew
how to defend myself.
I had something to defend
myself, and it lived there.
So I would take it off the dash and
I'd stick up underneath the seat or
something like that. Again, you
don't know what you don't know. Sure.
And at that time, I was ignorant.
I didn't know what I do now and
how unsafe that actually was and
what I was doing.
Well, I mean, if that
were in that position,
giving yourself some advice later on,
you would've likely started off
with something more like, Hey man,
let's talk a little bit more about
situational awareness. Absolutely.
And let's have some of these discussions
about some of the dangers of stopping
on the side of the road to help people
and discuss some of those things and how
to get around that.
Just different options,
some less lethal tools or something
like that might be a good idea.
Verbal judo, being able to use your man,
just use words or avoiding the
altercation altogether, or just
avoiding altogether. So many things.
Hindsight's 2020, hindsight's always
2020, but unfortunately with self-defense,
often that is hindsight's way
too late. It's way too reflect.
You need to do everything that you
can to stay ahead of the curve or
before the curve, before anything happens.
And if were to happen or start to unfold,
hopefully you'd have the
mental presence, the skill,
the mental fortitude to be
able to handle that situation
through that entire journey. That's what
really kicked everything off for me.
And then I went from
experience to experience to
experience before I finally
started getting training. And
I hope our listening audience understands
there are fun things to do out there,
and there are fun things that you can
do with firearms or with training.
We're talking about shooting at a
helicopters and getting all tacked
out and feeling all cool
and macho versus what actual
civilian here in the
states, training firearms,
training firearms, self-defense training
looks like. And again, like you said,
it's not all guns and gadgets,
it's so many other soft skills.
There's so many other, like I said,
the verbal judo, how to use
impact weapons effectively,
how to use chemical weapons effectively,
how to use your self effectively,
right? Keeping your head up out
of the sand and being aware.
One of the things that, and we kind
of joke about it or talk about it,
go in Walmart or go sit in a Walmart
parking lot somewhere and park your car
and just watch. Watch everything.
Watch how many people have their heads
buried in their phones as they're walking
into a store.
Watch how many people are watching
other people do this exact same thing.
It's a little alarming, a
little unnerving, right?
Cause you're potentially
watching somebody that could have
malicious intent or they could be
doing the same thing you're doing,
just people watching waiting for a loved
one that's in the store or whatever.
You just don't know. And
looking for those precursors,
looking for those signs.
There's just so much to that.
It's interesting and it's something
that we should really push towards
and push towards teaching and
educating our environment.
For sure. I think, look,
looking back and we find
ourselves in the roles we have
now within Apache mentoring
and guiding people
through some of these contingency
plans and that sort of
thing. No more are the
days of, Hey, here's a gun.
That's all you need. Here's that
magic talisman. It'll fix everything.
It's going to jump up and just come to
life and save you all of a sudden, right?
I mean, we don't have that anymore
or we don't have that with us,
but it happens everywhere else around us.
There's grandfathers and dads all
over the world that are just, Hey,
this will fix.
Everything, right? Yeah, I agree.
Check when we come back from the break,
we're going to take a break
here just a little bit.
Let's talk about Apache solutions.
Let's talk about what it is, why it is,
why it's here, what can it do
for our listening audience.
And we are back, ladies and
gentlemen of the audience.
Thank you for joining in with us for
the Rack Show where we talk about all
things self-defense on
the wonderful W S I C in
studio with me, Frank Veth,
and I have Tim Kelly here.
And we're about to talk about
Apache Solutions, who they are.
Why Apache? Why choose Apache?
What can Apache do for the
responsibly armed citizen?
So Tim, who's Apache? Why,
what Apache and why do we care?
Sure.
So Apache Solutions is a firearms
training company based out of yadkinville,
North Carolina. We're structured a
lot like a gym with a private trainer.
So folks will come out and book
a one hour private block of in
a one hour block of private
instruction or a two hour block,
and our instructors will
meet them where they are,
help them establish goals, and then help
them meet those goals along the way.
We have students that come
out once a week, once a month,
once every other week, just whatever
fits their schedule the best.
But it's not the same thing as going to
a open to the public gun range,
putting up a target on a
piece of cardboard and then
punching holes in it all day
without any type of guidance.
So it's a little bit more boutique.
So a lot of our students that come out,
come out and frequent the place.
Many of 'em will start off
with already existing gear,
already existing firearms
and that type of thing.
And then we just fine
tune them along the way,
find out what works
for them and what fits.
And they learn through experience, right?
So that guided instruction really helps
point them in the right direction.
And that's one of the rude
things. So total honesty,
I am a part of Apache Solutions.
I am the staff administrator
for AP Solutions,
and I have a hundred percent buy-in
in Apache. And I joined Apache, what,
six months or so after it had started
as a student and then started early on
and then a bad ration never left. But the
really cool things that I've seen
done at Apache is it's not all just
die hard guys out there wanting to be all
gun tubers and all the cool
stuff. It's families, right?
It's individuals who need help.
It's individuals who may
have unfortunately gone
through something such as
myself that,
and that shook him a little
bit or some sort of family
situation, a domestic
situation. But like I said,
it's families,
moms and dad's parents who said, Hey,
we have guns in our homes and we want to
help educate our children a little bit.
I've never had formal training.
I maybe I'd like to get a
little bit of formal training.
So let's see what this is all about.
There's such a wide gambit of people
and different experiences that is so
attractive about training at Apache.
Well, before I started Apache, it
was like I looked around for it,
formal training or in
this area at that time,
unless it was hidden
somewhere under a rock, it,
there was no such thing
as formal training.
The closest thing you can get to
that is a concealed carry class.
And those are different
across the board. Now.
Everyone and their sister
has a certificate to teach
concealed carry in the
state of North Carolina. It's everywhere.
There's no place that existed for
someone to go and say, listen,
I went and bought this
lucky rabbit's foot,
and that's how I've been treating
it for the last five or 10 years.
But I just come to the realization I
don't know what I'm doing with it, right?
I keep it in my glove box
or something like that,
and my buddy just got it stolen out of
his truck and I keep running through my
mind. Does that really make sense
to keep it in the glove box?
Am I actually going to be
able to access that under
duress? Is it realistic?
People are asking
themselves their questions,
but most will live in a state of denial.
They just think that it's just going
to magically save them one day.
And a lot of these families
that come out and attend our
private sessions, they
quickly realize like, oh man,
this is a lot more practical.
This is a lot more practical
use for my firearm.
It's not something that just
lives in a sock drawer somewhere.
It might actually be a viable tool,
and it's not just going to
magically just magically work out
so that, again,
that formal training
thing just didn't exist.
And so now families have that
option. They can have this
customized training and
boutique options for
them to grow in as a
responsibly armed citizen.
And again,
you touch on so many things just now
that it's hard to pick and choose, but
really focusing on those aspects,
focusing on what proper
firearms etiquette is, proper,
focusing on what proper firearm safety is.
There's so many things that's wrapped
up in that people just take for granted,
especially in our area. What's the
thing that we hear all the time, man?
I grew up around guns. Oh man,
I've ra been raised on guns,
which a hundred percent I was
exposed to firearms very, very young.
But even with that exposure
being so young and with that
exposure of being around firearms and
that training being situation where
knowing how to use a firearm
under duress is huge.
Take a look at one of the things,
again, I really enjoy the law.
I really enjoy looking at self-defense
incidences across the world,
but especially across the United States.
But there are so many incidences of
good Samaritan, good guy being at
the wrong place at the wrong time.
And it not working out for
good Samaritan, right? Yeah.
Wasn't good training that was in place.
They had a preconceived notion of
what it was going to look like,
how things were going to enroll. And
then you have the totally opposite of,
you have good Samaritan who has
proper training, who overcame this?
The poor scenario, the poor
situation that we're in. And
because there was a little bit of training
there because they understood what
was going on. They had some
practice case in point,
take a look at the white
settlement issue down in Texas.
So we had a unhinged
individual pull a firearm
on some deacons. And inside of a church,
that unhinged individual,
there was a gentleman who it was
obvious he did not have good training.
And unfortunately he lost his life
because of his actions and the way that he
had.
Wasn't able to read the.
Cues exactly. Wasn't
able to read the cues.
And then we had another gentleman that
was there who did have some training,
who was able to take effective
hits to stop the threat.
And very quickly, very calmly.
And all this happened in the course
of literally three seconds. I mean,
it was like the scenario presented itself.
Shots were fired to the entire event.
Being over literally in three seconds
and three seconds can change your life.
I mean, there's just so
much that's wrapped around
involved in that. And people
wish I could just tell everybody,
you just don't understand.
You have to be present.
You have to understand that there's evil
out there and we have to do our best to
stay safe from that. Right.
Well, early on, you talked
about growing up around guns.
Early on I was talking about providing
some type of metric for our community.
And before we came around specif,
specifically in Yakkin County,
before we came around,
there was no metric,
there was no standard or anything like
that that people could actually hold
themselves to. The
closest thing that they,
the closest thing that they could use
is a concealed carry handgun permit.
But most will always fall back on,
well, I grew up around guns. Well,
that means something completely.
I grew up around guns too. So,
but that means something
completely different for you
than it does to me. Right?
Right. So your experiences
growing up around guns are I,
I've taught, had these
conversations with you.
They're completely different than mine.
They mean completely different things.
So it's not a metric, it's not a standard.
You ask any law enforcement officer
what their performance
is behind a handgun,
and all you need is their score and
the department that they work for. And
you could Google their qualification,
have a general idea of what
they're capable of behind
a handgun with a concealed
carry handgun permit. The qualifications
are different across the state.
Absolutely. And everybody teaches
it differently across the state.
And most of the time, let's be honest,
it's nothing more than a sobriety test.
It's not a realistic,
practical standard that they
should be using as a metric for
success.
It's a checking in a box, right?
And through our private
sessions in the last
six years, we've got well over
5,000 hours of private sessions.
We've used that as a laboratory to
collect data along the way and build and
develop those metrics.
What is realistic for
someone to be able to
get educated on the subject matter and
get work on those different skills
and then evaluate their performance
over time? It's much like going to school.
It's much like going to school.
And one of the things that I
really enjoy about Apache is that
Dojo kind of feel like you can
take somebody that has literally no
experience to and work
with them on what their
goals and their objectives are,
all the way from somebody who has a ton
of experience and they just want to be a
little faster, a little quicker, but
they feel like they've plateaued.
It's literally the gambit.
We talked briefly about families with
something that I hold very near and dear
to my hearts, working with kids.
Again, not every kid's the same.
Not every kid is ready.
There's a lot of things and
the guardians of that kid,
the parents of that kid really need
to help, need to make that decision,
need to be intimately
involved in that. But
I'm not going to, I'm a
father. I'm a father of three.
There's no way that I can guarantee that
my kids aren't going to be somewhere
where they're going to be exposed
to a firearm. As a matter of fact,
I know of somebody who walked into
a bathroom not long ago and saw
a firearm sitting in a public bathroom,
saw a firearm sitting on the very
back of the stall, back of the toilet.
How quickly could that have been a child?
How quickly could that have been my
child? I was just exposed to that.
What do we do? How do we handle that?
There's so much that's involved in
that and educating our families,
educating our kids, educating
our community. Again,
very near and dear to our hearts, very
something that is extremely important.
So again, talk me about
a little bit of Apache.
We have something called four pillars.
The four pillars that every Responsibly
Armed Citizen should know about.
We're, we're going to
come up on a break soon.
So I think as soon as we
come back from the break,
we're going to talk about those
four pillars a little bit.
We're going to talk about what those
are. Tim, give us a quick preview.
What are the four pillars?
So the four pillars are something that
you need as a responsibly armed citizen,
and they all revolve
around quality, quality.
Training, quality gear quality,
gunsmith, and quality representation.
Fantastic. Well, Tim,
thanks for sticking around.
Stay with us guys. Stay
with us listening audience.
You're listening to The
Rack Show on W S I C.
Welcome back to the Rack Show with
your host, Frank Veth and Tim Kelly.
We are here with Apache Solutions.
We're talking about all things.
And our top topic for next
segment is the four pillars.
So Tim gave you a little bit of a
preview what the four pillars were. Tim,
let's expand a little bit. So four
pillars all wrapped around quality.
What's the first pillar? What are we
talking about? Why is it important?
Why does a responsibly armed
citizen need to have these pillars?
Well, first of all, I mean, we're
talking about somebody needs something.
We got to be careful about the word
need. If I tell you you need something,
I'm not going to tell you,
Hey, you need a Glock handgun,
or you need a sig firearm or something
like that. You're not going to.
Be stuck to some type of make or
model or something along those lines.
It's got to be based off of something
that's practical and reasonable for their
use. So if I say need, I
really mean you need it.
The first one's quality training,
and we've just been talking
about that all morning so far.
So the quality training means
you should be vetting your
instructor. You should be vetting the
company that you are taking training from,
and you should be prioritizing
practicality, right?
So what is more practical
for your everyday
life, right? Not his everyday
life or her everyday life,
but what is more practical for you? And
that's where you get the real education.
I mean, if I have plans to be a doctor,
I'm not going to go to school to
be a carpenter, right? I mean,
that's just because carpentry is fun.
The same thing applies here.
If you're going to carry a gun as a
responsibly armed citizen, name a job,
you're a mechanic or something like that,
you really need to try to make that
fit your everyday lifestyle. Now,
there's different training that
exists on all across the country.
There's a lot of really
good quality instructors,
but if you're not a part of this
community, having been in those shoes,
you don't know that they
actually exist. Oh, yeah.
One of the things that,
again, I experience,
I experience a lot of experiences
and I didn't experience a lot of
what quality training was. So
I thought I was training that.
That was the scary part, right? I thought
that I was doing the right things.
I thought that I was learning
from these Delta force
ex-military guys, but woe did.
I know that a lot of those
experiences love our armed forces,
love our veterans. But a lot of
those experiences that those teams,
those guys bring back isn't
applicable to civilians, right?
We're not running as a team, we're running
as an individual. Or if we're lucky,
we're running with a loved one, a
spouse, something that has your pack. But
there's a lot of really good
instructors that are in our area.
There's a lot of not so great
instructors that are in the area.
But how do you know, vet,
what are some questions that
you can ask your instructors?
What are some things that you can do to
help vet those instructors and vet the
training companies that you
are getting training with?
Well, I mean, you just hit on one.
I think one of the more common
misconceptions is, well,
you were in the Marine Corps, right, Tim?
Yeah. Yeah. I was in the Marine Corps.
So then I'm in good
hands here. Well, please,
please don't just judge our
company based off of my time
spent in the military.
Only a small fraction of that
actually transfers over to
how we teach and how
this business is ran. It.
Conventional warfare and
being a responsibly armed
citizen are two completely
different things. Those are two
completely things that you gear up for.
We're not talking about patrolling,
patrolling in Hellman
Province of Afghanistan.
We're talking about going
to the grocery store and
states downtown Statesville.
That's what we're talking about.
And the stuff that you
put in place to make it
out on top is much different than
what you would in conventional warfare
environment. So if you're
trying to vet your instructors,
don't just base it solely off of all they
were law enforcement or all they were
military or something like
that. Dig a little deeper.
See what kind of ratings
they've got. I mean, first off,
if they've got a range master
certified instructor rating of
some sort, that's a really good
key. That's a good indicator. Yeah,
it's a good indicator that you're
falling into the right hands.
But if all they've got
is they spent time in the
military, they were underwater
scout sniper or something like that,
that doesn't really apply to
your basic pistol class, right?
It may sound cool and look
fancy, but it doesn't apply.
So be careful when in that vetting
process. The next thing is,
if you just happen to get into that class
and you show up to that class and you
get to the range,
if it does not start off
with some type of legitimate
safety brief,
a hundred percent and
some type of emergency
protocol where there are
things set in place in the
event of an emergency that
they can just unlock that
and take care of business.
If they don't have plans put in place,
why are you trusting them with your life?
Why are you trusting them to plan
or to help you plan for your own
experience out in town
if they're not prepared
themselves? So that's a key
indicator to just leave.
One.
So one of the things that I really enjoy
that's almost like a favorite pastime
is I'm a forever student. Alright?
I love learning. I love teaching.
I love learning the thousand different
ways of saying the exact same thing,
something I'm really passionate about.
So because of that, throughout the year,
I'll take five or six different concealed
carry classes from different area
instructors and just sit on
the class. And I'll be honest,
I've straight up walked out of
some of these classes because the
instructor was like, all right,
we're going to shoot out here.
We're going to shoot at this across this
field at this target. I'm like, well,
where's the berm? What's our
safety brief? Where's any of this?
And it was literally non-existent. Yeah.
So it's one of the things where I don't
even ask for my money back. I'm like,
hi, I'm out. Keep the money.
You're going to need it.
Seriously.
Like that's one lawsuit away
from Financial Ruin, right?
One negligent misuse of
a firearm and they're
ruined. Sure. And again, and
that's real. That's scary.
So that's talk about quality
instruction, quality instructors,
what's our next pillar?
Quality gear. Man, I
love guns. I love guns.
I love all the gear. I love. I
love all the gear, all the things,
all of the things, all
the toys. It's great.
And I get just as happy
as any other red blooded
American that walks into a gun store and
sees all the guns and gear and stuff.
But at the end of the day,
if you are talking about gearing
up for your everyday life,
you've got to be careful
about your gear selection.
Having worked in the manufacturing side
of things for a short period of time,
I know that there's a lot
of snakes in the industry.
There's a lot of people that are
just out to get your money, and they
really don't produce quality gear.
A lot of 'em produce gimmicks.
So you got to be careful about the
quality that you're quality of handgun,
the quality holsters, the quality of
pepper spray. These are all things
that you really got to look into.
And if you're in inside
the training community,
there's a lot of great
resources out there that exist.
And if you've got a good trainer,
they should be able to point you in the
right direction of some of these quality
options.
Yeah, absolutely. One of
the things that, again,
thinking back on when I was
first introduced all of this,
I thought I had great gear. I
thought I had a quality firearm.
I thought I had a good
holster, but woe did.
I know that I really didn't.
There's reasons why good
trainers don't allow certain
types of gear. Certain
firearms will even go as
far as say on the range,
some gear like nylon
holsters, those cheap,
uncle Mike's great for holding a firearm
maybe in a safe or something like that.
That's about it. If you're
using that to conceal care,
if you're using that to open carry,
there's there, there's some issues there.
The nylon holsters collapse.
And what tends to happen when
the nylon holes are collapse,
you have to use two fingers and try
and fish it back in the holster.
And it causes a, it's a failure point.
It's a place where potential
negligence can happen. Right?
And again, if you're using
this for concealed care,
if you're using this to defend your life,
is it going to work when
you need it to work?
Is it going to perform when you need it
to perform? We don't want it to fail.
We don't want it to break when we don't
expect it to. And I mean, let's think,
but let's face it,
things happen that can happen with
any kind of farm or any kind of gear.
But taking time to work into your
equipment to make sure that they're
sufficient,
make sure that it's working to make sure
that you're comfortable with it's use
and it's functioning the way that it's
supposed to function ultimate. Sure.
Yeah.
Well, and that kind of
brings us to our next pillar.
We were talking about quality gear.
It doesn't matter what you get into,
if you get into it and you start
using it over and over and over again,
things are going to start to break.
And that's just the way it goes.
So in the event you have
gears start to break,
you need to have a quality gunsmith.
And I'm not talking about Uncle Joe
in the backyard and his backyard.
Shed with a dral tool. I'm talking
about somebody who actually has a
background and gunsmithing.
They have experience,
and they're not just going to cut your
gun to pieces or dremel it to pieces and
stuff just to make it look cool. They're,
they're going to be careful about what
they put out there because their name's
attached to it. That's the kind
of gunsmith you want on your side.
And thinking about that.
Some names I immediately,
or a name that comes immediately to mine
for me is Ryan Flynn of Aquila Custom
Gun Works. He's up in East
Bend, phenomenal. Gunsmith,
has phenomenal work,
teaches at Montgomery Community
College and their gunsmithing program.
Just a great overall gunsmith.
Everything I've ever brought to him has
always been flawless. It's been so good.
May have to wait a little bit for it,
right? He's used because he's so good.
He's a little bit backed up. He has a
lot of work. But man, I have no issues,
no concerns in any way, shape or form
taking anything to him. Again, guys,
find a quality gunsmith, somebody that
if something happens, something breaks,
they can fix it and that
they'll do it. Right? Right.
So we got one more
pillar, that last pillar.
Last pillar is quality representation.
I think this is probably the
most often overlooked piece
of the responsibly armed citizen
where people just rely on,
I think it's just going to be a good
shoot. If I have to draw my gun,
I know that everything's just
going to work out perfect. Well,
you're not going to be able
to just suggest that and
rely on that. That's not realistic.
You really need to have something in your
back pocket to where you are not going
to get hung up in the court system,
spending out your lifetimes
lifetime of earnings,
trying to defend yourself in
some forever lasting court case.
And there's a number of quality
companies that are out there.
We've partnered up with U S C C A. Yep.
It's definitely something that we're
going to have a much longer conversation
about. One of our upcoming shows.
We're going to bring somebody
in on there with us as a guest.
They're going to help talk with
us a little bit about what quality
representation actually looks like
and some things that are out there.
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We've been talking with you guys
about a little bit about who we were,
a little bit about who Apache Solutions
is in Yak Cville, North Carolina.
We talked a little bit about the four
pillars of a responsible armed citizen.
And be sure, guys, we will be coming
back to those in future shows.
We'll be going to talk about those a
little bit more in depth as we continue.
Now, we're going to shift a little bit.
We want to focus on
different competencies.
So every month we have something that
we call the competency of the month.
And it's really to help make
a more well-rounded armed
citizen, a responsibly armed citizen.
So Tim, what is our compey of the month?
So Compey of the month started off as
an in-house like cadre development type
thing for all of
the folks that are instructors
and upcoming instructors.
Associated with.
Apache. Associated with Apache.
It's meant to encourage them
to dive into the subject
better, educate themselves so
they can better talk about it and
articulate the competency itself.
So this month's competency of the
month is third party altercations.
So how to deal with it,
should I deal with it?
What are my options? What are
the avenues? So on and so forth.
So let's back up a second. Yeah.
What is a third party altercation?
Cause that is a lot of words that seem
like they're just strung together.
So what does that mean?
Okay, so that means I'm trying
to break this down into,
in best layman terms, I possibly can.
Give me the baby speak. So.
If you get involved in
somebody else's drama, got.
It.
Right, you get involved. It doesn't
matter if it's a family member,
it doesn't matter if it's a friend or
a stranger, but it's their business,
not yours. And you get involved with it.
You decide you're going to
intervene for their safety.
And there, there's a lot
that can go wrong with that.
And it's something that, again,
I think it is commonly
overlooked where that would
never happen to me. Or, well, I would
just do this, or I would just do that.
It's.
Easy to think that you're.
Right, but it's one of the most
difficult things to navigate.
It's one of the most difficult
scenarios to navigate. Right.
So let's break that down a little bit.
So should you get involved
in a third party altercation?
Are there some key
points to where it may be
beneficial or not? How
do we know navigate that?
How do we figure that out? For me,
my answer to that would
be, it depends, right?
Because it always depends.
It depends on my personal
level of training.
It depends on how I'm feeling that day.
It depends on who's involved, right?
You can bet that if it is not somebody
that who I am intimately involved
in, if it's not my family, pretty
much, I mean, that's pretty much it.
If it's not my immediate family at that,
I'm probably not going to get involved.
Again, situation dictates, but
there's just too much at risk.
It's easy to say that you're going
to be the good guy in the scenario.
You're going to be the good Samaritan,
you're going to be the one who
comes in and saves the day.
But is that your responsibility?
And if it goes south, which it does,
I would say greater than two
thirds of the time anyway.
So for every three third party
altercations, two times out of the three,
it doesn't turn out well for the good
Samaritan, the person who's intervening,
right?
It's only that third of the
time where it does work out.
And they're the ones that
we hear about the heroes.
But there are way more examples
of the latter way more or of
the sooner, way more examples of
it not turning out well for the
good Samaritan,
the person who's involving so into
this third party altercation for sure.
But in the day of the
active shooter, I mean,
that's something that unfortunately
is a part of our reality right now.
You know,
hear a lot of folks that make
up these plans in their head,
and they have this idea of how
they're going to handle something
like that. Should they ever come
across, oh, I carry a truck gun.
Why is that your mission? Is
that what you're going after?
Do you have an end goal? And that's
something we ask in a lot of our classes,
especially our AEDC class,
the interactive concepts.
So what is that? What is A E.
D C? A E D C is an advancing
everyday carry. Okay?
So we have two different
components to that.
We have skill acquisition where you
focus on the technical skills that are
involved,
some of the more critical technical
skills that are most likely to be involved
in a self-defense application.
And then the interactive concepts is more
of an a scenario immersion type thing.
So where we actually really get you in
that mental head space of really what are
you doing? What are you planning for?
Cause most of us just like to look
at the gear and stuff like that.
And some people look at it as a magic
talisman. Some people look at it like,
well, I'm geared up because I got a gun.
I got pepper spray. Or I've got this.
I've got the tools. But you don't
really know how or why to use it.
And the
third party altercations
in some of the more
immersed scenarios that we do,
that tends to be one of the most
difficult things for a student to
navigate. Should I get involved?
So we start off that class with what's
your mission? Why are you doing this?
Why are you carrying a
gun to protect yourself?
Why are you carrying tools in
general to protect yourself?
What are you willing to sacrifice?
Who are you willing to sacrifice?
These are all questions that we should
be asking ourselves as responsibly armed
citizen. Because if we don't have
that already mapped out in our heads,
we're going to have to make the decision
right then and there in the moment.
And that is generally where
emotions are involved.
And if we make our decisions
based off of emotions,
we're more likely to screw
up and make a mistake.
And if you're interested in
finding out whether or not that's
actual that that's a problem for you,
then get into some type of
scenario based training.
Get in with us or get in
with Shiv Works. Absolutely.
Yeah. Craig, Alex with Shiv
Works. Yeah, fan, phenomenal.
Get in in with that class, his E c
QC class, extreme close quarters.
Get into that class and you'll
see just what I'm talking about,
about how making decisions
based off of just pure emotions
can really, really get
you into a lot of trouble.
And I think where the third party
thing is, give you just an example.
You have no idea who the couple
is, but you, you're a man.
You stumble upon a man and a woman having
some type of domestic dispute outside
in the parking lot of a
restaurant or something like that.
They're fighting and arguing, yelling
and pushing and stuff like that.
And he hauls off and hit her.
Are you going to get involved?
How are you going to get
involved? Yeah. Right? Mean
so many different options
that you have. And of course,
none of us want to watch some
innocent person get beat on,
especially if it's someone that
can seriously overpower the other
individual. We don't want to
sit back and watch that, right?
A lot of us would want to do
something about it. It goes.
It goes against every fiber of your
being, right? Especially as a man,
you're like, no, that's not going
to happen. I want to save the day.
I want to fix this. But.
I don't know him, right? I don't
know his intents. I know he's,
he's pissed. I know he is
mad. I know he's hitting her.
If I go over there,
it is more likely that I'm
going to escalate the problem to
something greater than what it already is,
and it's going to turn into a
physical altercation between me and
him, and maybe even me
and the girl, right?
I don't know what tools he has.
I don't know if he's carrying
a knife and he plans to use it.
I don't know if he's got a gun
in his back pocket. I don't know.
I don't know this guy.
Mental state.
Right? Yeah. I don't know.
I don't his mental state.
I don't know if he's some type of
criminal or something like that.
I don't know his background.
So if I don't know then,
and I go over there and
intervene, I'm going to find out.
And if I have a mission to
rely on, at the end of the day,
if your mission is as
simple as my mission is to
make it home to my family,
and I'm talking about just going to
the grocery store or going to that
restaurant, right? I
went to the restaurant,
had a beer with a friend or something
like that, and now I'm going to go home
and I run into that problem.
At the end of the day,
my mission is to make it home to my
family, to my wife, and my two children.
If I intervene,
there is a probability that I
won't meet my mission, right?
So I have to weigh out those stakes
and say, what other options do I have?
Well, I could just call the cops. I could
intervene. I could do something, right?
Always different options. It doesn't
mean you just have to be like, ah,
not my monkey, not my circus. I'm
not, you don't have to do that.
But you have options.
And again, your personal
mission, your personal training,
your personal skillset,
your personal view on life will
completely dictate that, right?
So for me and my family, I am
hyper focused on my family.
It is my mission to go be a dad
to my three kids, to be a father,
be a husband, be a husband to my wife.
So because of that,
I'm going to look at things
way differently than the
24, 26 year old stud who
doesn't have that, right?
So again, we may have similar skillsets,
way different points of view on life,
way different points of view on
what are everyday it looks like,
and what our mission set is,
what our goals are. So yeah,
a hundred percent. Hey guys, we're
coming up on the last 60 seconds, Tim.
What's the key points? What do we need
to know? What do we look forward to next?
To summarize the third
party altercations thing,
it get away from using the word
I'm a sheepdog. Right? Right.
Get rid of that out of your vocabulary
and rethink the reason why you're
carrying a gun. You're not,
you're nature's protector.
You're not out there saving
the day. So rethink that.
What we got looking,
what we got to look forward to
moving up are more conversations
like this. What we've had.
I'm really interested in hearing what
our listeners and our viewers would like
for us to discuss,
but I think episode two has firearm
safety and etiquette is something
we were going to be diving
pretty deep into. All right.
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