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We need a new definition of success—one that harmonizes meaning and money.
Imagine diving into your workday with renewed energy, leaving behind the exhaustion or dread of a monotonous grind.
Traditional beliefs about success and the root cause of burnout are the same:
Prove yourself.
Work harder.
Take care of the business, and it will take care of you.
We’re recycling the mindset and practices that keep us stuck. Our souls need a jumpstart into The Age of Humanity.
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I'm your host, Rebecca Fleetwood Hesson, your thrive guide leading you into the new Age of Humanity. I’ve navigated the highs and lows of business and life, from achieving over $40 million in sales, teaching thousands of people around the world about leadership, trust, execution, and productivity to facing burnout, divorce, raising a couple of great humans (one with ADHD), and navigating the uncertainty of starting a business.
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[00:00:00] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: I'm not coming down. I never locked it on the ground. I'm not coming down. I wanna go higher, higher, higher. Welcome back to the Business is Human Podcast. I'm your host, Rebecca Fleetwood Hession, and we're here to bring you episodes that blend a meaningful work with profitable success here to steward what I call The Age of Humanity.
[00:00:24] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: I believe if we transform the way we work, we can transform the way that we live. As always, my friendly request. If you like what you hear, hit subscribe so you don't miss any episode. And leave a review to tell the other humans that they might like it too. Always looking to help you and connect with others.
[00:00:41] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Alright, let's get into it, shall we? Welcome back to the show. I am a recovering over planner, da da da. I used to plan for every possible outcome. Every twist, every turn. I believed that I needed to mitigate every single possible risk of every project, of every day in every moment. Like I could rarely just sit and enjoy watching a TV show with my family without thinking, okay, so this show is over in an hour, and then we'll need to do this.
[00:01:20] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: And then what if I go ahead and plan this like y'all? It was. It was rough up in, in my brain and I thought my belief, which last week we talked about beliefs. My belief was that I was making things easier for myself and others. And sure, sometimes that was the case and sure, sometimes planning ahead did and does serve me well, but what I now realize.
[00:01:54] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: For myself, and I'm observing constantly in others, clients, friends, family, is that is how much energy I was pouring into things that never happened, and not because I had prevented things from happening. I mean, who do I think I am? Do I think I run the universe? The Lord said, no, you don't. Oftentimes. My over planning messed things up in ways that then I had to go fix that.
[00:02:29] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: So this, this kind of breakthrough came to me where I realized that I didn't need to over plan. I needed to be confident in my ability to handle whatever was gonna happen in the moment. And that shift didn't just save me time, but it made my life and my work far more rewarding. I got to be in the moment, not just planning for the next three moments.
[00:03:09] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Now sure there is you. You know, I'm just not laissez-faire. I don't plan for anything anymore. I'm not to that degree, but I certainly. Stop myself from Overplanning and exhausting myself, and then not being able to enjoy the work or be prepared for any possible changes. And so I wanna introduce this idea to you, obviously as we do here through the lens of the brain, the Bible, and business.
[00:03:43] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Because now that I know these things. I understand it more from that perspective. When I made these changes in my life, it was just I was exhausted and I just didn't wanna do it anymore. But now I can see the problems that over-planning was calling was causing. So let's talk about it from brain science for just a couple minutes.
[00:04:08] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Dr. Stephen Porges calls this neuroception, which is planning every single scenario because our nervous system is always scanning for danger. And when your identity is in, you've gotta be the fix it person. When you're a nervous system starts scanning for danger, you start planning for how you're going to not let that happen.
[00:04:35] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Planning and over planning and planning some more. And this is based in the illusion of control. The prefrontal cortex, the executive functioning part of your brain, loves prediction. It can't just leave space. It has to create a story to predict what's going to happen. And the function of that is to reduce uncertainty.
[00:05:05] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: But when we over rely on that, it keeps our amygdala in a mild threat state. So the more we plan for things not to be uncertain, the more we look for uncertainty. And the more we plan for that, the more we look for uncertainty. And pretty soon we are just always in a state of. Responding to fear or responding to, to the uncertainty, and you will never, ever, ever get caught up or be completely in control.
[00:05:39] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: That's just not a thing. So we have been led to believe because business, we get paid to fix things, that we have to control everything around us in order for us to be okay. That's never going to work. It's an unwinnable game. And so we end up paying the price of the constant, well, what if this happens?
[00:06:01] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Thinking what if? What if? What if? What if? What if? What if? What if? And so now we've got chronic stress decision fatigue, and com decreased creativity. Unable to live in the moment, unable to rest because we've been in activation mode for so long. We think that's our normal state of being, that we get to the point where we can't even sit and relax because that must mean we're slacking and we're not getting things done.
[00:06:33] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: So this training yourself to handle uncertainty in real time. Instead of forecasting it weeks, months, hours in advance, strengthens our neuroplasticity and our adaptability. So the more we practice that we can handle what comes at us, we don't always have to prepare for it. We build that muscle, we build that confidence, we build that experience that we can handle.
[00:07:06] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Whatever comes, we're gonna do our best to plan in a reasonable fashion, say it with me in a reasonable fashion, and then be confident that there's rarely been a situation that we haven't been able to handle in our past, and we're gonna be able to handle whatever comes in this one. And, and this plays out in business all the time.
[00:07:26] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: You know, the leaders that are constantly planning for whatever. Worst case scenario, what if the market downturn comes soon, blah, blah, blah, and they are so busy planning for some doom and gloom that they miss a creative opportunity right in front of them because they're planning for a problem that hasn't even happened yet.
[00:07:49] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: I also see it so much in personal lives, in families like, yeah, I can't go play pickleball with you tonight because I gotta over plan for this project that I've got coming up. That's not a good choice. Or your kids are saying, you know, dad, dad, dad, mom, mom, mom, and you're up late night. Over planning for something that's probably not gonna happen, um, stressing about it in some way when you really need to be listening, talking to your kids.
[00:08:24] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: There's so many times that I witnessed this happening, so I mean, so much of business is just fear-based. You've heard me do episodes about. All of our thoughts come from love or fear. Well, the more I pay attention to this business is just one big fear mongering machine, and so that's why I am so determined to bring more of the biblical connection in because fear is the enemy and we're living this striving life of.
[00:09:08] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: What we thought was supposed to be success, which is prove yourself work harder, take care of the business. It will take care of you. And that is not at all what we were promised, and we have to be aware that there's a better way out there. That of my favorite verses in Proverbs is in their hearts, humans plan their course, but the Lord establishes their steps.
[00:09:33] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: So you can plan all you want, but the Lord already had it all figured out. Trusting him more. We'll give you more time to play pickleball. How's that for an episode title? Another favorite Do Not Worry About Tomorrow, For Tomorrow will worry about itself. I mean, listen, Jesus loved order, discipline, and planning.
[00:09:54] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: It's all through the Bible. Like he's not saying like, yeah, whatever happens, happens. No, that's not what I'm saying. Don't twist my words, but can you all just like look me in the eye and admit we've taken it too? Far, often, not always, often, some industries are so fast in, in how often they change that you're planning for things that get disrupted from the industry before you can see it all out.
[00:10:26] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: And just be aware of the, the environment that you are in and plan appropriately for that environment so that you're. Not wasting your time. And again, this I said it before, like being adaptive and flexible and yet confident that no matter what comes to you as a leader, that you are going to be able to pivot and shift and make it work.
[00:10:55] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: So prepare in a reasonable way for the likely scenarios. But develop your capacity to navigate the uncertainty, the unplanned, because that's the uncertainty and the unplanned is gonna happen whether you like it or not, whether you've planned or not. And so if you are so confident in your plan that you get completely whacked out when it doesn't go as planned, you're not the best leader that you can be.
[00:11:32] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: For yourself, for your team, for the business, because when you get nervous, system whacked out, overly activated, that energy changes everybody's day, week, quarter. And so our ability to navigate uncertainty helps keep the team calm and keep them on track to navigate the uncertainty as well. So. Here's some questions you can take with you today should you choose to accept the challenge.
[00:12:05] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Where in my life or business am I over preparing for things that may never happen? Number two, what is the emotional cost of constantly planning for every possibility? Number three, when have I successfully navigated uncertainty in the past? What strengths did I use then that I know I can tap into in the future?
[00:12:36] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Number four, which parts of my planning are based on wisdom and which parts are based on fear? That's a good one. And number five, where is God inviting me to trust him more than my own control? Hmm. He's got me really convicted on that one. In fact, I've been looking at the whole aspect of the first book that I wrote as I'm writing the second book.
[00:13:07] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: And what I wish I would've said more in that book than I will say in this next one is We're not in control. Yes, write your own story, but based on the plan that God has already predestined for you. 'cause the more that we tap into that inner holy spi spirit wisdom. Everything gets easier, eh? Not always easier, but you're not relying on yourself for everything.
[00:13:32] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: 'cause that's, honestly, that's what the devil wants you to do, to be exhausted by thinking that you're in control. That's for another day, y'all. That is, that's probably a multi episode series, but what do you think? Are you over planning? I'd love to hear from you about this one. All right, love You mean it.
[00:13:52] Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: I'm not coming down. I never left it on the ground. I'm not coming down. Thanks for being here. You can follow us on Instagram. Business is Human or TikTok. Rebecca Fleetwood Hession. It's a great way to share some of the clips with your colleagues and friends. All right, make it a great day. Love you mean it.