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Art of Spousing is for marriages that what to move from being mundane to becoming masterpiece relationships. Hosts James and Lisa Duvall share truths and lessons learned from their 30 years of marriage and over a decade of teaching, coaching, and speaking on marriage.
Carol Moss: it's some work. Coming into it because you have these different personalities and not only that, you're dealing with children that may be dealing with grief if it was a death of a parent or a divorce, the divorce makes it so much harder because children, I don't care of what age.
Wanted to see them parents stay
together.
But now you have parents that's on two different sides and it's almost like I have to make a choice. And now you're bringing something new into this that's another choice. And so we as step parents have to understand that the children are going through a grieving process.
And so we have to go slow and just allow them to express themselves. And so the dislike immediately is not just us, it's their situation.
James: Hey friends, welcome to another episode of the artist spousing podcast. Thank you for taking the time to listen to the
Lisa: yeah, thank you so much. It really means a lot to us. It's hard to believe that next week is christmas this I know this year and this season of the podcast has flown by It's hard to believe that we're coming up at the end season four Of the podcast how many episodes james?
54.
James: 54, I think this is 55
Lisa: Oh my goodness. Double nickels.
James: And actually I think this season has been really great. We've had some amazing guests on the show talking about a lot of important topics to inspire and strengthen your marriage.
Lisa: Well, next week is our final episode of this season, and we're going to end the season off with a special Christmas day episode. I love this. One of the things we have done throughout the season is at the end of each guest, we ask them to share a tradition they have as a couple or as a family. So next week, we're going to hear from them and we're going to share a few of our thoughts and traditions around Christmas.
Yeah,
James: really going to be a lot of fun But today we have terry and carol moss the founders of one flesh ministries. we had a great time with them talking about their marriage and also the dynamics that come with blended marriage and family. But first, we want to take a moment to challenge you to consider a tangible investment in your marriage this coming year. And new year is just two weeks away. It's hard to believe.
So now is the time to make plans on how you're going to make an investment into your marriage.
Lisa: Yeah. People make investments in lots of places and in your marriage is obviously number one thing to do. So you probably have heard if you keep doing what you've always done, you will keep getting what you've always gotten. So if you want more for your marriage in 2024, to encourage you to consider scheduling a two day marriage reboot with James and I to discover fresh vision and direction for your marriage.
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And you'll discover your purpose and get a plan of action to start living into it. This proven process is designed to give you clarity in every aspect of your marriage. We'll work together to craft plans and create a solid framework They'll help you manage and continually grow your relationship into the future.
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James: can find out all the information about the marriage reboot or the spousing. com backslash marriage coaching.
Lisa: can
James: find the link for a discovery call in the show notes or messages on Instagram, and we'll send you a link to schedule a 30 minute call with Lisa and I to hear more about the experience.
Okay, Lisa, let's jump into our conversation with Terry and Carol
Lisa: It's great.
Terry and Carol, thank you so much for being on the podcast. Thank you for saying yes to being here.
Terry Moss: Thank you. We're
happy to be here
Carol Moss: welcome. Yes
Lisa: Yeah, so we're so excited for our listeners to hear about your story and the ways that you're impacting marriage. we thought we would start by hearing your marriage story
Carol Moss: Yeah. Yeah, it's our favorite story. Okay,
Terry Moss: Okay, I'll start because I love telling this story.
I say that our story really is a story of God's grace, his love, and the opportunity for second chances, I would say. Because we both have been through a divorce and that journey and that process is challenging as people know. as I was coming to the end of my process, pastors and leaders were saying, you should get married again, you should get married again. And I was saying I'm good, you know. It ended, it was 26 years and now through this process I'm learning me and growing and getting closer to God. So I was kind of like feeling pretty good. one senior pastor said, but you have too much love to give.
I'm like, oh.
Okay. I hadn't thought of it that way, but still was not ready in my
mind.
that was still okay. But as I started thinking about it, I said, God, if you want me to be married again, and that's fine, I'll follow your will, but I don't want to be dating all the women in the church and be the church gigolo.
I
Lisa: I
Terry Moss: But present to me the woman you have prepared to be my suitable helper. And I honestly thought that it would take God a year to scour the world and find that one
for me.
Lisa: me.
Terry Moss: about three weeks later,
I'm
praying just my normal prayer time in the morning with God before going to work and the Spirit of the Lord said, it's okay to contact Carol. I'm like, is it Carol Thomas? Now, just
parenthetically
here. We hadn't dated, we hadn't winked at one another, there was no romantic anything. She served in a church, I served in a church, and so we knew her, and I respected her as a humble servant, and she had a great heart. But never would think That I would marry her, that would be the one,
James: But
Carol Moss: when
Terry Moss: the Lord said it's okay to contact Carol, I knew that that was a response to my request, the Lord didn't say how to do that. He just said, do it. So I'm thinking, how do I contact, what do I what do you go to someone and say, Hey, God said, you're going to be my wife. Uh, I just didn't think that might work. On my way to the office, I'm thinking how to do this and I thought, ah, because she worked in the ministries where she served the leaders, she would be acceptable getting an email from me.
So I thought I would send her an email. So I Send her an email, I said let me know when you're available, I'd like to speak to you about something. 20 minutes later, in carol fashion, I get this response back. If it's good news, I'm available now. If it's bad news, never. If it's business, let me check my schedule. So I said, nothing bad. Just need to talk about something. Let me know when you're available.
Carol Moss: you used your clout to send me an email because I was serving in a church and I was used to getting emails from the pastor's team to do something. So my first thought was, it's Thursday. They're always needing something at the last minute. Or my team has been doing something that I'm getting scolded about from Elder Moss.
I don't want to hear any bad news. That was my first thought. What does Elder Moss want now? Right, right.
Terry Moss: we did connect. That afternoon, we talked over the phone I'm trying to stall by telling her about some event that I went to at a church So she's listening politely and then she says, okay, well thank you for your information. I'll take it back to my team. Have a nice day.
Carol Moss: Gotta go! Ha ha ha ha! Gotta
Terry Moss: And so I said, well, wait, wait, wait. I need to talk to you about something else. Now my heart start pounding. I'm like, as you know, I'm coming to the end of a particular season in my life and your name has been given to me as someone I should get to know better.
So I would like to take you out to dinner sometime to get to know you better. Would you be okay with that? Silence. It felt like 20 minutes of silence, but I'm sure it was maybe 15 seconds. But and then the first thing that she finally said when she spoke
Carol Moss: was, El DeMoss trying to get his Mac on.
Lisa: Because it
Carol Moss: Because it was a little unusual because he was always strictly business, So for those words to come out of his mouth was just out of the blue. I would have expected anything other than what I go on a date with him so that's why the moment of silence.
Terry Moss: silence. Yeah. So we agreed. That we would go to dinner, within a two week period, the only time that we had to go to dinner was that night.
So it was a morning of Thursday, February 2nd, 2006, when the Lord said, it's okay to contact Carol. That afternoon we spoke, that night we went to dinner, three hours of great discussion, and the rest is history, because on July 2nd,
Carol Moss: celebrated our
Terry Moss: we just celebrated our 17th wedding
anniversary.
James: awesome.
Terry Moss: From
the first date to marriage was five months.
Carol Moss: But as many times we've told the story, it's still always like tingly inside because we can just see God's journey. When I stop and I think back of my preparation period and I think one of the greatest things is that he was Elder Moss in the church, and I was single parent, Carol, raising children on my own.
I was a single parent, a single mom, for like 14, 15 years. And so I'm used to being the boss. I'm used to telling them what to do. I'm used to the leadership. So I can look back now and see my preparation period was learning to honor and respect the leaders in the house. that I was serving and since he was elder moss in the church, I honored and respect him prior to God placing me in his life.
And I think that's huge throughout our marriage because through the 17 years there has never been a dishonor, a disrespect, words taken out of, saying anything negative, even in our times when we're kind of, Okay. That honor has always been there. And I tell him, you and God had that relationship because I truly believe that was part of my preparation period. to that
Terry Moss: I agree, I
James: you
Lisa: well you think about your relationship people need to know about you Miss Carol, is you are a strong woman. Yes, so for you to say all of that, it's a beautiful example, is you can be a strong woman, and Be in marriage and allow that relationship to be appropriate and structure of marriage, how God has designed it is to fall in line with that.
And it's beautiful. So right there is great, great stuff. Yeah.
James: So I'm wondering how many dates did you go on before you stopped calling him Elder Moss?
Lisa: Oh yeah.
Carol Moss: they, my friends are still, 17 years later, is saying, when are you going to stop calling your husband Elder Moss? For years, I've called him Elder Moss. Until today, I don't call him
James: Till.
Really?
Carol Moss: I've never, unless I'm speaking to someone else. introducing or speaking of him. I say Terry, but I never say Terry.
So for years, then he just became Moss. I dropped the elder. So my family on my side, they all call him Moss because it never could be Terry. And I've never now he's love baby, all the little nicknames, but it's never Terry. And he's always going to be elder mall.
Lisa: Elder Moss.
James: That's
Lisa: I love it.
James: Well, we love you guys passion for ministry, passion for marriage, and specifically over the last few years, we've learned about your passion for blended families.
And so I love for you to talk about blended families, what that really means, and then why you're so passionate about that ministry area today.
Terry Moss: We define blended family in this context as when two people remarry. And one or both come into that new marriage with children.
So it's a blended family or step family. And passion really comes because we are a blended
family.
When we married, I had two adult sons and she had two Teenagers, one, one girl, one girl, one, one boy.
And then an older son who was disabled. We are a blended family, so we understand the complexities and the challenges of trying to have two families come together and be one. and then in the churches, up to, let's say 35 to 50 percent of every congregation has some connection with the Blinda
family. I mean,
think about that, 50%, half the congregation, yet many of them kind of suffer in silence. They kind of stay
Carol Moss: back
Terry Moss: Because
some still are ashamed. Because people make them feel as if they're second class citizens.
Like you, you're not really a real family and you know, your marriage really isn't honorable to God. And, and so they kind of hide. And so we want to be the voice for them and to them to let them know, Hey God loves all families and he loves Blender families and stepfamilies.
James: So what led the two of you to actually stepping into that space then to make that connection to kind of go hey, let's let's become a voice for blended families
Carol Moss: I think it's because we feel so honored and so blessed to have came together as a blended family and did it successfully.
We didn't have any books that we were reading. We didn't have any groups or community that we were attending. It was just God bringing us together and understanding the love that we have for each other. This is what we want to work for us. So in the beginning, we started doing leadership with Family life.
And we started being leaders for the weekend to remember. So we'd done that for many years. Well, through that journey with family life and the weekend to remember, we met Ron deal who deals with blended families.
Terry Moss: the guru of blended
Carol Moss: Yeah. And so then we were so intrigued with that, we started following Ron and the Blended community.
And it was just our heart. Terry and I, as you see, we are so totally different from the outside. We're so different, but so connected within our hearts. So we're like, God has blessed us with this gift. And so we want to give it back. Because we know even though you're different.
Different family, different kids, you can come together and create this awesome family. But there's some skills into that. We can't just wish and hope. so we've been doing the Blended for over
Terry Moss: blended probably around eight or nine
years. one of the pastors asked if we could write curriculum for a blended family.
Because he was recognizing there was a need,
Carol Moss: I Hadn't
Terry Moss: written curriculum before for, for that. So I said, but yeah, we can do it just kind of our own experience. then he approved it,
which
I was surprised because I thought he would edit or
scratch that off.
We can't say that can't do that, Just exactly how we wrote it up is what he said we can implement and we did a kind of pilot class And then that caught on at that church
Lisa: so all the years that you've been navigating this in your own life experience, what unique challenges would you identify go with a blended family, blended marriage? What do they
Carol Moss: what
Terry Moss: So I'll try to explain it this way. . So in that traditional family, man meets woman, man marries woman, man, woman have children, and then they live happily ever after.
James: Right.
Terry Moss: Right. We know there's many challenges with
James: Yeah, absolutely.
Carol Moss: but the
Terry Moss: benefit is Man and woman gets time together For their
marriage and then they have a child or children and they can, it's their children, they're the biological parents, they have the connection, everyone knows everybody as they grow and, and, and it works. With a blended family, It is an immediate,
Lisa: when
James: you
Terry Moss: I do, man, woman has boys, girls, children, you have exes, you have other spouses, you have, you have co parents and you have extended families and you have other grandparents and you have other aunts and uncles and everybody has their opinion.
Everyone tell you what to do and you should do this and how should I do this and how do we bring this together and how do we get all these personalities today?
Carol Moss: Right.
Lisa: Right. I'm overwhelmed. Right now. Yeah. Woo! That's
what it
is.
Terry Moss: That's
why it's so difficult.
traditional family, the focus is on the
Carol Moss: couple.
Mm hmm.
Terry Moss: In a blended family,
the focus
is the family.
James: Mhm.
Terry Moss: you have to learn how to do all of that.
Now. because you're in it. It's not, well, no, in six months, we're all going to be there.
It's, we're here
and everyone has needs and personalities and you have to deal with those challenges
Lisa: now.
And the
Carol Moss: funny part is, Blended Family has been out for a very long time on TV. They had the Brady Bunch,
James: that's true.
Carol Moss: But the Brady Bunch made it seem like, oh, it was so, yes, easy to do. They had Alice and, you know, the
dog and, but no, it's some work. Coming into it because you have these different personalities and not only that, you're dealing with children that may be dealing with grief if it was a death of a parent or a divorce, the divorce makes it so much harder because children, I don't care of what age.
Wanted to see them parents stay
together.
But now you have parents that's on two different sides and it's almost like I have to make a choice. And now you're bringing something new into this that's another choice. And so we as step parents have to understand that the children are going through a grieving process.
And so we have to go slow and just allow them to express themselves. And so the dislike immediately is not just us, it's their situation. And if we get into it, like I know with me, it was like, Oh, the kids don't like me. So, okay, well, I'm not going to like them. You can't come into a blended situation that way because it's really not you personally.
And so you really have to. to learn to not take things
Terry Moss: personally.
Lisa: Mm, that
James: Yeah, it's interesting, thinking back to the Brave Bunch, you never saw them sharing custody or going to their, you
Lisa: I don't even know if they had, I don't even know if the other spouses were ever
Carol Moss: spouses
James: so. It made it made it feel like
a perfect, perfect family, you know, and it's obviously a lot more messy
than that,
Terry Moss: it is. Yes, it is. Yes, it is.
Yes, it
Lisa: So how do you actually speak to those challenges? I it feels like about one million necklaces in the middle of a table and they're all in a knot and which one do you pull first? Yeah, how do you do
this?
Well,
Carol Moss: It's really taking you out of the equation and putting them. But you cannot make it about you. Because now it's a shared event.
Because there's times that Terry needs to spend time alone with his children. And I can't be envious or jealous or in the middle
Lisa: of that.
Carol Moss: That, that needs to happen, so we have to really, individual wholeness, I speak on
that a
lot, is very important. Get you together
kind of
first, and seek help if you're dealing with things, and be honest, because there is going to be some jealousy involved.
People who are not jealous, there is some jealousy involved. There could be some envy involved. So now you have to remember. What is making me feel this way and why and then address it? That's why I say individual wholeness is very important because then we're by nature We're
selfish.
So now we have to learn now to give more up and I would say
James: you
great
Carol Moss: accolades as to how you came in, because you came into our lives with the mindset of what's mine is yours.
It's ours. Now you have to
have that
heart because we've dealt with many a couples that it was separation. They can have the love for themselves, but when the kids are involved. That's when that separation and kids will get into can get into the marriage to conquer and divide. I don't want you loving this lady because you don't love my mom.
I don't want you loving this man because you don't love my dad. So kids can get involved. So the marital union is very important because that's the foundation. You cannot build a house on shaky ground. But you came into our lives with that mindset of what's yours. is ours.
Terry Moss: Yeah, and I appreciate, I always appreciate when she gives me those accolades Because how did I know that? And it's, it's really, when I say it's a God thing, I don't say that as a cliche. It's truth.
Carol Moss: Yeah
Terry Moss: Without the Lord, I don't know how I would have understood how to do that. Because I remember one, one day thinking about Carol and just looking at her. And I, and this thought came to me.
I love
Carol Moss: her.
James: about her
Terry Moss: I love everything about her and everything connected to her. And when I said that out loud, it made so much sense to me. Because now, her children
are my children. Her bills
are my bills. Her concerns are my concerns. It became a one by virtue of speaking
Carol Moss: that was so very important because we had Shondell who was a disabled adult who was now reaching over the age of 18. And now it's time for guardianship.
And my whole scare was if something happens to me, who's going to care for him, but you came into our lives with that mindset that put me at ease that if anything happened to me, I know that Shonda was in your heart and you're going to do the right thing. So when it was time for guardianship, you walk right alongside me, we went to court and we became his guardian and not just me.
So having that heart. is so important. You
James: know, it's interesting, we talk a lot when we're working with young couples about the backstory that you bring into marriage. for a young couple who's getting married for the first time, they're bringing their upbringing and the environment they grew up in so
either combining that to create a new story. And one of the things we say is, Lisa's backstory now is my story. Mm-Hmm. . Just like my backstory is her story. It's just interesting when you're talking about that in a. family. There's just a lot
more
Carol Moss: chapters,
Lisa: Yeah. a
James: lot more
Lisa: backstories.
James: a lot more, you know, a lot more drama in it on both sides.
But the fact is that still when you say I
Carol Moss: do,
it.
James: becomes your story now. And it's not just two stories.
It's
one
Terry Moss: absolutely. That's why, That's why
she says, and we agree that the, the marriage itself really is that first line of defense. That has to be strong. That's the foundation. Everything else
is like
every other marriage. Okay, now you figure it out. We work together to figure it out.
But if, if, if there isn't that oneness initially, And it doesn't stay as a one team, then other things become more and more, they're challenging
Carol Moss: anyway.
Terry Moss: But
now they become even more challenging because now we can't agree on how we're going to address them. that's
Carol Moss: so important and I laugh when you talk about the challenges because when we got together and you talked about the backstories I said that you came out the womb in the church. He, he was raised through the church.
He went to church with his big daddy, his grandfather through many, many years. I think you were doing leadership at the age of 13.
James: 13.
Carol Moss: Well, then he marries me. We're different creatures. I always say we're different creatures because it's me and the children. And so we're just like hip hop queen and our music and where we eat and what we do.
We're loud.
Lisa: And we play
Carol Moss: And we play music loud in the house. And now you have this gentle giant that comes
Lisa: in
Carol Moss: quiet and he's used. It's the quietness and his own space and stuff. Now he's just coming into this heart
that you came in with and how we merged together. Okay. You didn't turn that music down, but then we realized, okay, it's El DeMar, so let's
just.
turn
Lisa: turn
Carol Moss: little. We'll turn the volume down a little bit, a little bit, a little bit until some changes. You didn't kick the door down and say you need to do this. Nothing
Lisa: like
this.
Terry Moss: the
same
token, how Carol welcomed me
So we talk about the bio parent really leads the way. And helping that blend
Lisa: work
Terry Moss: because she could
have,
you know, I've been handling this all this time. This is my house, or this is my kids, or this is my way. But she didn't do that. She was respectful.
She submitted herself to me as her
husband,
and communicated that to the children he is now the husband, he is now the head of
James: head of our
home.
So
Terry Moss: kudos to her because she laid the way. Instead of making it a hard press, she made it a more welcomed challenge.
James: I know there's probably multiple resources out there for blended families, but you guys have written the book. Can you talk to us a little bit about
Carol Moss: your
Terry Moss: your
book? We
can, and we would love to.
Now, it's not a book for blended families. Also, blended families can
James: the
book.
Terry Moss: It's
more of relationships. And marriage particularly. it's an easy read, but it's a profound teaching around marriage the way God
intended and how He demonstrated that in the
Garden of Eden.
the title of the book is, In the Beginning, It Was Not
So.
And the subtitle is seven marriage lessons learned in the
James: garden.
Terry Moss: And
so it goes back really to 2005 when God was just speaking to me and a lot of things about marriage and relationships, both vertical and horizontal. and my, attention was led to Matthew 19th
Carol Moss: chapter
Terry Moss: and eighth verse. where the Pharisees were trying to challenge Jesus around the issue
Carol Moss: of
Terry Moss: divorce?
and so they asked the question, well, why did Moses allow for the writing
of
divorce?
and Jesus comment was Moses allow for that because of the hardness of
Carol Moss: their hearts or
Terry Moss: or because their hearts
were hard
in some versions. But in the beginning it was
Carol Moss: so.
James: so when
Terry Moss: so when
I was reading that. And I'm thinking in the beginning, it was not so in the beginning. It was not so there was an enlightenment that was like, Oh,
Lisa: like,
James: oh.
Terry Moss: where were the truth and the principles and the depth of those actions was just so, so. impactful and then so I made that connection. So when Jesus, they asked Jesus about divorce, he took them to the beginning of marriage So the problem isn't divorce the problem
the book talks about,
the bomb the problem isn't divorce The problem really is not understanding marriage the way God
Carol Moss: intended
Terry Moss: the
covenant,
marriage that God intends it to be because
The hardness of the heart.
When I studied that it's all about pride and selfishness.
and
when we become prideful and selfish, there's a callousness on our heart that allows us not to love or be loved the way God intended it. And so we started looking at what I want and what I need and. And you should do this for me. And how come we don't have six Lamborghinis or, or, or whatever.
so it gets out of whack to what God really intended it to look like and feel like. So this book is kind of a roadmap to, uh, marriage, the way God intended it, that leads to great
James: Oh, fantastic. We're going to put the link to that in the show notes.
Carol Moss: When I go back and I look at how God created Adam in the very beginning. But prior to the creation of Adam, God said there would be man. And there will be female, there will be male and there will be female. He knew that. But then he created Adam first.
He didn't create them both together. So that's like, he has a purpose. And he has a design. And then he took Adam on this journey, relationship, purpose, boundaries, all of this journey before he said, it is not good for man to
be
alone,
Then I will make you a helper. Then that, that became clear. That God has a design and a purpose.
So I so often ask the question, Why do you think God didn't make Adam and Eve at the same time the
Terry Moss: same way?
Carol Moss: He made them, made us different times. and create us in different ways. It's just, it blows your mind when you're reading the Bible and you're looking at that because it's the very book, you don't really put a lot of thought
James: of thought
Carol Moss: and now speaking to couples and doing groups and all that we do with the book, it's just like, wow, it blows your mind when you start going back. And you start going over God's design
Lisa: marriage. I love
Terry Moss: That's awesome.
So we say, read the
book so you
divorce
proof
Lisa: right. Well I love, I love, that the truth is that the complexities are different but the principles are still the same. So it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter where you are in your marriage journey.
Mile marker 5, 2, 50, whatever. Blended, not blended. It's
so
Terry Moss: Yeah, we've had some couples who were married 28 years and gone through the group that we did and gone through the book and they said, Oh, we read the book.
Now in this discussion, it's just so much clearer. I missed that.
everyone should get this because my, they said, my marriage has changed. It has gone from here
James: from
Terry Moss: there. from good to great. And so, So
we really appreciate
Lisa: that.
James: that.
Lisa: So as many couples as y'all have worked with over all these years, I'm sure you have so many examples or good reports, good stories, but I'd love to hear just one of them that you would go, This is a standout. We invested and we saw what God did.
James: and
Terry Moss: Yeah,
Christopher and Jackie. I'll just use their first names. And this is a couple that I've known for probably 25
Lisa: or
Terry Moss: They were visiting our home
and it was one night we were having just impromptu conversation just in general.
James: discovered
Terry Moss: We discovered through the conversation that there were some
James: some discord
Terry Moss: that was causing some discord
Lisa: in our relationship.
Terry Moss: And again, they had a good marriage, had a good, have a good marriage,
Carol Moss: that time, they would have been married for over
20
Lisa: something
years,
Terry Moss: think. Almost, yeah. Yeah. And so, almost twenty, and so, issues, you know We just can't let issues go when it comes to
marriage,
so
Carol Moss: Right.
Terry Moss: we're having a conversation. Into the wee hours of the
morning.
Well, thank God, though, because through that conversation, there was forgiveness and healing and clarity, and it was just this moment where it had to be a God
moment. And he. Began to realize the gift that he had in his
Carol Moss: wife
Terry Moss: And
that he wasn't honoring her and treating her as that gift and that changed in that
moment. And now these number of years later, they have a great marriage and they share that with others and their love and they share with their families. And you can see it when we come together. You can just see the joy that they have for each other. it's
just a
James: just a
Lisa: Well, this has been so valuable. So rich. Thank you so much for just your life lived
and
faithfulness
to Jesus and what he's done in you individually, your own wholeness, and then how it's come together. And we just, we honor and respect other.
Moss.
and a scare.
Terry Moss: you know, we
Lisa: but you know, we would love to know where can we send people? Where's the best place? And we'll put stuff in the show notes for sure. But where would if they wanted to learn more about your ministry, where would you
Terry Moss: where One of the best resources is probably connecting with our groups whether they are in person or virtually. We do have groups virtually for anywhere because we've had a lot of couples from various states that we connected with.
So we'd like to keep that going
as well.
And then
Carol Moss: a lot of our material is also posted in our through
our website
Right.
So when we're going to do a zoom, virtual group Then we'll post it in our website that individuals can go through the website to see what we have upcoming
Terry Moss: www.
onefleshministries. org www. onefleshministries.
James: org Onefleshministries.
org and we'll put all that in the show notes to
make
Terry Moss: sure
everybody
has
it.
Carol Moss: you can order the book through the OneFleshMinistries.
Terry Moss: or the book there or, of course, you can order it through Amazon.
James: Wow. What a fun couple.
Lisa: love
James: They're so full of energy. It's amazing. we're going to put the links to their website and their book and the show notes. If you have a blended marriage, I want to encourage you to check out their resources.
And if you have questions or comments about what you heard today, we would love to connect. Email us at hello at are the spousing. com. You can also message us on Instagram at are the spousing.
Lisa: we'd love for you to sign up for our email list with every episode, we send out an email with a direct link to the show and some news about what's happening in artist's housing. you can sign up with a link in the show notes or in our Instagram bio.
James: Yeah, that's a great reminder about the email list because as we are working on content for Season 5, we want to hear from you. How the podcast can best serve you and so we're providing the content you need.
So we're going to be sending out a quick survey to our email list to gather feedback. So jump on the list and give us your feedback.
Lisa: I can't wait to get their feedback because we could get really great questions that will funnel great content. Yeah, please do it Remember next week will be our christmas day episode and our last episode of the season We hope you will join us for that.
Have a fantastic week and we will see you next time until then.
James: Bye bye.