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Are you ready to change your habits, sculpt your destiny, and light up your path to greatness? Welcome to the epicenter of transformation. This is Mick Unplugged. We'll help you identify your because so you can create a routine that's not just productive, but powerful. You'll embrace the art of evolution, adapt strategies to stay ahead of the game, and take a step toward the extraordinary.
Intro:So let's unleash your potential. Now here's Mick.
Dr. Judith Orla:Ladies
Mick Hunt:an author, and an empath with a unique perspective on emotional healing and intuition. She's known for her groundbreaking work in emotional wellness and mind body medicine. Please help me welcome the inspiring, the motivating, the captivating, doctor Judith Orla. Doctor Judith, welcome to Make Unplugged. How are you doing today?
Dr. Judith Orla:I'm doing great. I'm happy to be here with you.
Mick Hunt:I am happy that you are here with me. So on Make Unplugged, we open with your because. Right? That reason, that driving force that pushes us and makes us who we are. So doctor Judith, I have a question for you.
Mick Hunt:What was the driving force that led you to pursue a career in psychiatric work and emotional wellness? Like, what was that because? What was that fuel that got you going?
Dr. Judith Orla:Well, I mean, my first answer is my dream life, where I had a dream at a certain point in my life, a night dream, that told me to get an MD and become a psychiatrist in order to have the credentials to legitimize intuition and empathy in traditional medicine. And this was at a time when I had dropped out of school, and I was living with my boyfriend in Venice Beach. And I did wasn't that isn't what I really wanted to do. I came from a whole lineage of doctors, and I was more creative and a writer. But I enrolled in one class at a junior college and one became 2, became 14 years of medical training.
Dr. Judith Orla:And so here I am, you know, years later as a psychiatrist, perfect, perfect profession for me.
Mick Hunt:I love it. And in that world, one of the things that is really unique with you is that you are an empath, and and I want you to break that down for listeners. What is an empath, and what's that skill set that you were looking for that you're helping people with?
Dr. Judith Orla:I'm an empath and a psychiatrist, so I combine my traditional medical training, which I revere and love, with an empath. And an empath and I wrote the book, The Genius of Empathy, to incorporate being an empath into your life and incorporate empathy into your life. Empathy is I look at it like it's a spectrum where empathy is in the middle of the spectrum where you have everyday empathy. I feel for you, you know, I care about you, I care what happens to you. And then higher up on the spectrum are the empaths.
Dr. Judith Orla:And the empaths are the ones who are sensitive and open and loving and caring, but they tend to absorb the angst of the world and become an emotional sponge and take on everybody's stress, including the world's stress. And so the book is meant to give people strategies on how not to do that, how to be an empowered empath and to be that kind of person you wanna be, that heart centered, you know, intuitive, loving person without getting drained by it.
Mick Hunt:I love it. And so your team sent me a copy of the book, and I'm probably 3 fourths of the way going through it the second time. That's how powerful the genius of empathy is. And and the reason that I'm reading it literally back to back is because it opens your mind and your soul. And for me, it gave me answers to a lot of decisions that I make in life.
Mick Hunt:Like, I I feel like understanding who you are from an empathy level and and then how to communicate with others. And and I know that that's probably not the pretense of the book, but that's what I was getting out of it. And now that I'm going back into it, it's like, oh, Mick. That's why you make the decisions that you make because this is how you're seeing things or this is how you're feeling things, and that is awesome. So I would love to hear from you.
Mick Hunt:You know, what are some of the things that people can get out of the book? Because I don't wanna just tell my version. We have the source right here, ladies and gentlemen. So let's hear it directly from the source.
Dr. Judith Orla:Well, I divided the genius of empathy up into 3 parts. One is healing yourself, how to show empathy towards yourself, which is so important, how to show empathy empathy in your relationships, which will only improve them and deepen them and stop going to war with each other in relationships. If you're arguing a lot, if you're having discord, empathy will help you come back together again in a very, very positive way. And then the third part is the world. How do we show global empathy?
Dr. Judith Orla:How do we come together as humankind to have mercy on each other and have intuition and empathy for what we're all going through and how to do that without taking on the stress, the enormous stress that's going on in the world today, how to be helpful, but not take on the stress.
Mick Hunt:Absolutely. And you talked about intuition a little bit there. How does intuition play a role in your approach to to psychiatry?
Dr. Judith Orla:Well, I tune into all my patients intuitively tune in as well as I listen with my traditional medical cap. And then I also listen with my intuition, which is my gut feeling, my sense of energy, any knowings that come to me, any impressions, sights, smells, sounds, knowings, any flashes that come to me. So intuition is just goes on all the time. And creative people know a lot about intuition, because they're all you have to go by intuition. If you're writing, you have to go with the flow.
Dr. Judith Orla:You can't just think your way there, you know? And so intuition is a huge part of who I am. It's hugely important. And I think it results as being from being empathic. As the more I can show you empathy, the more my heart opens and then the more my intuition opens.
Mick Hunt:Love it. And you keep going right where I wanna go. Right? So now let's talk about empathy a little bit. And as an empath, one of the things that I got from your book was balancing emotional energy from others.
Mick Hunt:So how do you do that? How do you balance the emotional energy from others with your own needs?
Dr. Judith Orla:Well, you you learn one principle in the book that I keep going over and over again because it's so important. It's you observe, you don't absorb. And that means you have to take a little bit step backwards, you know, not jump into their skin and try and help them. Empaths are so, you know, wanting to help people. They tend to over help and get exhausted from it, but they literally jump into people's skins and they feel everything they're going through.
Dr. Judith Orla:And that's not a healthy thing to do. So observe, don't absorb, or I'll take one step back from you, which is okay. I could feel you just fine, you know, from one step back. But if I jumped in, it would be, you know, it'd be too much. Now one of the issues that empaths face is how do I, how do I do that?
Dr. Judith Orla:How do I operate in a world that's, you know, so crazy right now, you know, and just so full of polarization and hatred and warring. And my god, all the, you know, most awful human traits are coming to the forefront now, you know, and lambasted by them. I mean, they're everywhere. I wouldn't let that discourage you though, because I believe in the power of empathy. And in the book, I talk about the power of the individual, which I believe in a lot.
Dr. Judith Orla:You know, people say, oh, what can I do as an individual? Everything. You can start with yourself, begin to, you know, embody what you, the change you wanna see. You know, just treat yourself nice for once. You know, have empathy.
Dr. Judith Orla:And, you know, I wanna make the point, there's the mind, we have the mind, and we have the heart. All right. The mind will find all kinds of reasons why not to show empathy. He doesn't deserve it. He hurt me too much.
Dr. Judith Orla:He's been, impolite, you you know, whatever, you know, there are a million reasons, but that isn't where you want to go for empathy. You want to come down to your heart as your heart wants to find all kinds of reasons why to have empathy. And it doesn't mean letting someone off the hook. And I wanna make that really clear. It doesn't mean being a doormat.
Dr. Judith Orla:It doesn't mean any of that. It just means learning to find something in this poor person who hurt you to feel empathy for. Maybe they were abused as a child, and it's just impossible for them to have relationships, you know, and you got caught in that, that whole pattern, maybe that's it. So you can have empathy a little bit. And what that helps you do, first of all, is shift the pattern of hate and also allows you to be freer of that person because you're not harboring the resentment which gloms onto you energetically.
Dr. Judith Orla:You don't want that. And it just helps it float away and you have to try it. You know, it might sound counterintuitive, but if you just try it, just find one little teeny tiny thing to find empathy with in somebody and see what happens.
Mick Hunt:I love it. One of the things that I truly enjoy about you and and researching you and and seeing all the things that you've accomplished is you've truly mastered emotional wellness. So what practices or habits have you developed to master the art of emotional healing?
Dr. Judith Orla:Well, I believe in the heart. I believe in the power of the heart more than anything. And so I have meditation practice every night, where when the day is over, I sit in front of my meditation space and I have candles and I have flowers, and I, I sit and I let the day go by, you know, go away. And I tune into myself, and I tune into the, you know, powers greater than myself because I have deep belief in, in spirituality as well. But those listening, you don't have to have that in order to find empathy, But I do, you know, it's a very important part of my life to connect with the presence or whatever you want to call it, to help me and guide me to find my right path, to have the worst, right words to say to you so that you can hear me.
Dr. Judith Orla:You know, that's very important that I reach out to something larger. But most importantly, in meditation, I put my hands over my heart and I take a breath. I let all the stress of the day go, and I just begin to tune into the power of love. You can do that energetically. There's subtle energy in the body that I talk about in the book.
Dr. Judith Orla:And it's not, we're not just these solid flesh and blood bodies we have, we're made up of energy, subtle energy. Chinese medical practitioners call it chi, prana, shakti. We learn to tune into this in ourselves to find our true power. And it comes from the heart and you can build that heart up. And so, you know, at the end of the day, I look outside and everybody's asleep, you know, and I'm sitting there meditating and it's a wonderful feeling.
Mick Hunt:I love it. So as a psychiatrist, right, like, I'm sure you have to deal with emotional boundaries with your patients or clients. How do you set up or how do you establish emotional boundaries with your clients?
Dr. Judith Orla:Oh, boundaries are are key for an empath to not feel drained by the world. And certainly as a psychiatrist, I need to set boundaries with my patients, which, you know, the patients are easier than other people for me. You know, the patients, I've been seeing patients for so many years. I know how to sit with them and not get personally involved, but be there in order to see with a capital S and to be able to feel what's going on in service of helping them. You know, I'm pretty good at that.
Dr. Judith Orla:And when I come in and I see my clients during the day, I set aside my personal problems and I set aside whatever I'm going through. You know, we all go through a lot, you know, and I set aside that, so I'm a 100% there for you. You are my universe when you come and sit in front of me. And that's how I am with my patients. It's a bit harder on a personal level because I need to set limits and boundaries to protect my energy.
Dr. Judith Orla:And that's very key in the genius of empathy, how to set limits and boundaries to protect your energy. But I know many people feel guilty about doing this. And so I teach my patients how to do it and deal with the guilt because they were taught maybe something else growing up that you're a compassionate person only if you give 200% of the time and you never say no. And I don't believe that. You know, I think we need in this day and time, we need to be warriors.
Dr. Judith Orla:We need to be strong. That's set a boundary, you're lost. You're gonna just get drained. There's no no way around it. So whatever guilt you had from your childhood about speaking up for your knees, you need to work with somebody or work journal about it and begin to heal that so that you can set a boundary.
Dr. Judith Orla:You know, I talk about in the book, you know, how no is a complete sentence. You know, just saying, no, I'm so sorry, I can't do that. I would love to be with you today, but I can't. No. You say it very sweet and nice and short.
Dr. Judith Orla:You don't get into a, you know, a big discussion about it. That's where empaths go wrong. They wanna discuss everything. No, you know, don't discuss things when you're setting a boundary, just say where you're at,
Intro:say it
Dr. Judith Orla:nice and polite, and then make it short. In and out.
Mick Hunt:I am totally borrowing that. No is a complete sentence. That is powerful on so many levels, doctor Judith. I think I needed to hear that today. And I I know you didn't know that I needed to hear that today.
Mick Hunt:But no is a complete sentence. And it is totally okay to use that sentence. I needed that, doctor Judith. I appreciate you.
Dr. Judith Orla:I'm so glad. Yeah. Yeah. Now you can go practice it. It's fun.
Dr. Judith Orla:You have such a nice energy. Your eyes are nice, you know, and the energy from your eyes are good. So when you say it, it will be very positive.
Mick Hunt:I'm definitely gonna use it. I'm definitely gonna use it. In your book, you have a a complete section on relationships like you talked about earlier. So for people that are listening or those that are gonna end up watching this episode as well, how can people establish healthy boundaries in their relationships?
Dr. Judith Orla:You have to learn how to assert your needs and to make a decision, if you can do this, it's really important to only discuss one subject at a time with a friend or a spouse or somebody else. You just don't get into 10,000,000 different subjects at once. Now that's where people go wrong, you know, where you can start out with, I feel like you haven't been listening to me, and then that could escalate to, and you never told me your parents were coming, and why don't you spend more time with the kids? And, like, by the time you're through your list, the other person is, like, lost. Alright.
Dr. Judith Orla:So the key to success, if you wanna have empathy in your relationships, and that's the goal, you make that your goal. You don't, your goal is not to fight. You have to have rules, no blaming, no shaming, no fighting, no getting somebody back. You know, that's not okay in communication. You won't get anywhere with it, except for maybe some release, you know, from adrenaline rush.
Dr. Judith Orla:I don't know, but it's not going to get you a good relationship. I can guarantee you that. I really want to talk about, you know, I don't feel like you're listening to me. Can we get together and make a date, put in your request and have maybe a 10 minute time limit the time you talk about it. You don't want to go on forever about these, you know, and just express that one need, it's gonna be hard if you're not used to doing one need.
Dr. Judith Orla:So, you know, I really don't feel like you're listening to me. And I'd love for us to, you know, for you to just spend some time, you know, just listening to me. I won't go on and on and on, but I I need you. I love you. I, you know, and and lead with vulnerability, state your need, one need, so the other person is clear about it.
Dr. Judith Orla:And then you can use the sandwich technique, which I love, which is you start with something positive, you end with something positive, and you put your request in the middle. So, you know, you say I love you and I'm I'm so grateful for our relationship. And I would love it if you could listen to me a little bit more so that I could feel more important in your world. And thank you so much for, you know, supporting us in this. So that's basically how you do the sandwich technique.
Mick Hunt:I love it. I love that. And and and my wife actually uses that pretty much every day with me. Like, honey
Dr. Judith Orla:That's me. I love
Mick Hunt:you. You are so amazing. But do you mind doing the dishes every once in a while? It would totally help me because you're so strong and your hands are so soft. I'm like
Dr. Judith Orla:Oh, yeah.
Mick Hunt:She just told me to go do the dishes. Okay. Got it.
Dr. Judith Orla:Exactly. And you're happy doing the dishes. Right? Right.
Mick Hunt:All the compliments. Ho wholeheartedly. Wholeheartedly.
Dr. Judith Orla:She's sincere too. You know? She's Absolutely. And you're washing the dishes happily. Right?
Dr. Judith Orla:Right. You have to make a decision in your relationships. What kind of relationships do you want to have at work, at home, with family, with friends? Do you want the kind where you're walked over like a doormat and you don't stand up for yourself? No.
Dr. Judith Orla:Hopefully not. Do you want more loving relationships? Hopefully, yes. And the secret weapon, your secret weapon is empathy. Just simply by saying to your spouse, I hear what you're saying, and it really is important to me.
Dr. Judith Orla:You know, those magic words, I hear what you're saying, as opposed to arguing with them or getting in a fight with them. I hear what you're saying and that looking at you and smiling as opposed to fighting. People get in the habit of fighting a lot. And if you're fighting and you're about to say something you're gonna regret, because you can destroy your relationship with your words. I mean, there's some words you will never be able to get out of your mind.
Dr. Judith Orla:And so if you're about to say something like that, what you need to do is train yourself, take a breath, take a pause, say, I'm going to give this some thought. I need to take a break to center myself. Let's reconvene in an hour. You have not say those words that are gonna destroy your relationship, like, you're a terrible mother. You never wanna say that to somebody.
Dr. Judith Orla:Very hurtful. You know? And and you can't get some things out of your head and which ones stick. There's no way of predicting. But if you have these things in your head that you think your beloved says to you, it's hard to let them go.
Dr. Judith Orla:So you don't wanna blurt things out. That's part of being empathic. So in the book, it's all practical strategies, how to show empathy during an argument. Now how to show empathy if your loved one is going through a a physical challenge or an emotional challenge. How to show empathy if you're burned out and you don't have much to give.
Dr. Judith Orla:How to show empathy with a coworker who's a chronic talker, and I don't know what to do, I can't interrupt them, you know, kind of thing. The book is a guide on how to deal with people, with empathy, not with disregard for the person. You know, don't just assume that they're terrible people and they don't deserve any kind of consideration from you. You know, I talk about the namaste effect, You know, where in India, sometimes when you greet someone on the path, you say namaste, and it means I respect the spirit within you. I might not like you.
Dr. Judith Orla:I might not agree with you, which is fine, but I still have a respect for you as a human being. And if we had that basic respect for one another, even if we disagree, the outcome of our conversations would be different.
Mick Hunt:That is so true. You've been so gracious with your time today, Doctor. Judith. Two questions and I promise I'll get you out of here. You know, it's 2024.
Mick Hunt:The world is evolving. People are evolving. How do you see mind body medicine evolving in the coming years?
Dr. Judith Orla:I see more of a an awareness about empathy and empaths, and that empaths aren't gonna be misdiagnosed as chronic anxiety disorder or Epstein Barr or chronic depression. It's not, empaths are gonna be seen as powerful, beautiful people who need to learn strategies in order to cope with the world. So I see evolution there and I see, there's such a strong desire among all the patients that come to me to be seen in an intuitive and an empathic way, as well as have my traditional knowledge available to help them navigate if they need to go through the system. Because I, you know, I really know how to do that and it's really helpful. And so I can help people through it.
Dr. Judith Orla:I see it going in a good direction. I certainly give workshops for healthcare practitioners on how to incorporate intuition and empathy into patient care. And, you know, more and more physicians are doing that, and and certainly, Chinese medical practitioners, acupuncturists, body workers, they're all into it already. They're way ahead of the doctors, But we're moving in that direction.
Mick Hunt:That's great. Last question. For the listeners that are struggling today with emotional challenges and with empathy, what words of encouragement do you have for them?
Dr. Judith Orla:I see you. I feel you. You're an important person. I hope you can show yourself some self empathy. There's a chapter in, if you get the book, there's a chapter in the book on self empathy, what to say to yourself to help build up your own self esteem.
Dr. Judith Orla:And when you're going through a really hard time, how to treat yourself, you know, as opposed to beating yourself up, which so many people do. They go to war with themselves. You know, in the mind, it becomes a torture chamber with negative voices talking. You wanna shift into your heart and say, that's really hard. This is really hard.
Dr. Judith Orla:And you're doing the best you can, as opposed to, what's wrong with you? You shouldn't feel sick now. Now, whatever these horrible things that we all say to ourselves, if we're not disciplined and come to our empathic, loving hearts. And be with people like you, and know, people who are are loving and supportive. You wanna have a positive bubble around you when you're going through a hard time.
Dr. Judith Orla:You don't wanna have these energy vampires sucking you dry with all kinds of weird behaviors. No. You wanna have love. Just go where the love is.
Mick Hunt:That's amazing. Everyone, the godmother of empath, doctor Judith Orloff. Www.doctorjudithorloff.com. We're gonna have all this available in in the show notes. Doctor Judith, where else do you want people to find you, follow you, and, obviously, getting a copy of the genius of empathy?
Dr. Judith Orla:You can sign up for my free empathy newsletter on my website and just get updates once a month online newsletter, drjudithorloff.com and I'm traveling around on a book tour. So, those of you now who'd like to come and see me, I'm doing some in person events on May 8th. I'll be in, Romans Bookstore in Pasadena in California, and then I'll be in, Portland, New Renaissance Books next week. And then in Phoenix at the end of next month. And then I'm giving online workshops as well.
Dr. Judith Orla:If you wanna get into the empathy conversation, you know, just be honest with where you're at and try and, you know, get more of us to practice empathy and feel the benefits of it. So thank you so much. It was so nice meeting you. I really like you.
Mick Hunt:It was nice meeting you as well. You are amazing. And for all the listeners out there, remember, your because is your superpower. Go and Lisa. Thanks for listening
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