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Welcome back to episode number 19 on The Timeline.
We have a lot to get into.
It's going to be a pretty jam-packed show, especially with all the events going on in world records.
UTMB is going to be the main headline or the beef of the show.
Yeah.
I should say we're going to be covering UTMB, Leadville 100, Diamond League, a half marathon world record, Adidas, and their new Super
Shoe, and we'll talk about Garmin and their new fÄnix 9, which I am interested in.
And then of course we have a few other headlines to get into that happened over the week and randomly, and we need to discuss that as well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's getting straight into UTMB because it is such a packed episode here.
Um, so we had OCC, CCC, and UTMB happening this week.
Um, so, so three different versions, obviously.
A sprint finish after the 60 K at the OCC, a tactical 100 K in brutal weather and a hundred mile race where surviving the first night may matter more than raw speed.
So Lauren Gregory won the OCC in a time of six hours, eight minutes and seven seconds.
And she was only three seconds ahead of Naomi Lang.
Yeah, it was an absolute crazy finish, which I'll go ahead and actually pull it up because it was.
Watch that finish.
Yeah.
It was, it's, it's not very common that you see a finish this way.
Right. Yeah.
Especially like ultra distance races.
Yeah, you never see this stuff.
So.
I mean, right there, it was crazy because I would play the full three-minute clip, but it's too long.
Like literally they were just trailing each other the entire time.
And at first it was Naomi Lang.
I was going to say, so Naomi Lang had a pretty big lead and that's what made it so like special because
Naomi Lang just started to kind of fade away a little bit.
Yeah.
Lauren Gregory was just continue to go and they were recording or they were like following this for like a couple of minutes.
Yeah, they were.
And it was, it was fun to listen to it almost sound like cause they're European or I don't know what accents they had, but it sounded like it was an F1 race to be honest.
Yeah, because it was like you said, it was Naomi Lang.
And then once Lauren Gregory came and passed her for a while, she was ahead and then right there, like kind of just before they turned that corner, they were getting excited because they looked like she was about to, you know, come up and pass her, but she just didn't have that gas.
But that's the thing.
Like Lauren Gregory is like an Olympic or used to be an Olympic 1500 meter runner. And so that's the thing. Like with that kind of experience, like that kick at the end, like we've talked about with Cole Hawker, like that, that came into play here.
You saw, especially at the end of that race.
It was really cool.
And then we had a CCC with Cristian Minoggio. He won with a time of 10 hours, 21 minutes and 40 seconds.
If we don't know, someone's going to correct us in the comments. Don't worry about that.
Yeah, that's right. That's right.
I probably know him like personally.
Right, right, right. Yeah. I was even practicing some of these names. So just give me all the other ones. I'm pretty sure I have.
I'll be honest. I'll do my best. But you know, shoot me, who cares? I don't really know.
There's a lot of, there's a lot of crazy names out there, but yeah, go ahead and pronounce this next one.
I'm not going to pronounce the first day, but we're going to go with Kaspersen, you know, who won the women's race at the CCC.
But Cristian Minoggio won the complete CCC.
Also great race. Then we had UTMB, which literally just is still going on right now, which no, he just finished.
No, no, it's still happening, but, but the winner already crossed the line.
Right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So Ben Dhiman actually won. I'll pull up the stats here, actually.
Won the race outright. He actually came in first, was not leading, but then all of a sudden, like at mile, like 40, ended up passing.
And he started setting a pace that set him up for an hour and 20 minute, uh, finish ahead of the world record for the UTMB.
Which is crazy because I made a whole hour beating the actual world final is insane. Um,
yeah, it was another actually really cool race. Uh, Courtney Dauwalter ended up DNFing at mile
40 around mile 40. And so we didn't see the performance out of her. Um, but you know,
she did just run, um, hard rock, hard rock. She did just run hard rock. So 48 days after. So she ran
UTMB after hard rock, which is 48 days. She made a post here on Instagram, uh, talking about the
situation. Um, it's clearly that she just wanted to get to the start line and participate in this
amazing event. Anyways, she said, we fully believed we knew it would be more fun to pin a bib on and
try than watch from the sidelines. We didn't know if hard rock still lingered. We didn't know how
my body would do. And we were ready for any result as long as we tried, because how do you know if
you don't give it a shot? Happy to have gotten to the start line in love with this sport in love with
the people cheering their brains out and in love with trying hard. So yeah, I mean, kind of back
to your point, I don't think she really knew what her, I mean, you don't really know, like you may
feel recovered, but when you go into a long race, you don't really know what happens or what could
happen. And you know, I think she was just happy. I mean, do you blame her? Like who the hell wouldn't
want to get out there? I mean, it's a, it's an amazing event. Yeah. It's UTMB finals. Yeah. You
gotta go. Right. Or they were following Rachel Ekken a little bit ago. Oh yeah. There she is
right there. And she's still trekking or something. Yeah. And trekking. She's still racing right now,
which she won the, uh, Koka don't do 250. If you guys don't know, um, this year. Yep. And, uh,
that's honestly what put her name on the map. I mean, yeah, she's, she's been racing a while,
but obviously when you run a, when a race, it's a lot, you know, it's a big deal. But yeah, she's
been a, she's been in the endurance side or the ultra side for a while and she's been doing pretty
good. And now she's really showing up. Yeah. That's the thing. Like we're seeing like a big like
shift in terms of the elite field for these ultra races. Like, you know, I mean, obviously we didn't
have Kilian Jornet there, like we talked about with last episode, but I mean, with the time that
Ben Dhiman put up, like, I mean, who even knows if Kilian Jornet would have beat them, but
it is cool to see new faces in the field and seeing it grow like it is. It's just because it
is becoming very popular now. And so we're seeing a lot bigger shifts in terms of the times and
people. So it's really cool to see. Next up, we got Leadville trail 100. Adrian Macdonald won in
15 hours, 47 minutes, 23 seconds. His third Leadville victory after wins in 2021 and 2022.
Macdonald moved into first near the mile 45.6, Hope pass checkpoint and held the lead for about
the final 54 miles. And then we have McKendree Hickory won in 19 hours, 39 minutes in her first
Leadville 100 appearance. Pretty impressive. Ailsa Macdonald was still more than 30 minutes ahead
near mile 72.8. Hickory cut the deficit to under 10 minutes by mile 78.7, led by 6 minutes at mile
84.2 in one by 49 minutes. Yeah. So let's follow in that one. Yeah. The thing was like,
like we talked about with last episode, they had that new rerouted course. So it's like,
now no records were set. Now it was like a 2000 feet of gain difference between this one and
the other one or the original course. The original course had 2000 more feet. But it's like,
it's again, how much does it matter? But like in this situation, should they have like a different
like area or like record? Like, oh, this is the emergency course. Like, oh, you set the
record for the emergency course if a record was set, right? I mean, in my opinion, yes, because
it is like a completely different course. So like, what does it matter if like, if they did set a
record, it shouldn't go toward the official record because obviously it's a new course.
Yeah, no, it definitely wouldn't. I would say you would probably be less respected because
less people have done that, like new adjusted course. So it probably wouldn't, I mean, no one
would really know besides those runners for that specific race, how that terrain would be.
So honestly, it wouldn't be as respected. But I mean, clearly, it wasn't that easy. There was
no record set. Yeah, no, obviously it wasn't. I mean, Macdonald 1547, Matthew, Zuppin 1615,
Tim Talifson 1645 14. Yeah, it's either way. I mean, you're still looking at 100 miles with
13,000 feet of elevation gain. So it's still going to be hard. And you know,
it just what it is what it is like, if, and especially with UT and be going on like,
they didn't have the super elite field, like they had some elites here. But obviously there are
other contenders who could probably possibly put up even more better times. And so that could be
another reason why, but I don't think that is the case, but it is possible. Next up, we actually had
diamond league. So Lisa, um, it was both diamond league, so Lisa and a search actually. And uh,
so Lisa already looked pretty crazy. Um, the diamond league discussed records, nine men under
10 seconds in 100 meter final and a 46 43 hurdles race in American beating Jacob inter Brixton.
Then four days later, Alison dos Santos made his own performance look outdated by running at 45 80
for a world record. So Alison dos Santos is, was the big story. He beat Karsten Warholm in over
46 43 in the 400 meter hurdles. Um, and then four days later he comes in is now pending a world
record for 45 80 in the 400 meter hurdles. Um, I mean, literally beat the Warholm record by
point 14 seconds. Um, you know, it's our point 14 milliseconds. It's like with track, it is always
like down to the, when they say the hundreds of the second. Yeah. Like it's literally, yeah. Oh,
yeah. That's how they say it. The hundreds of a second. Yeah. And, uh, cause we would get grilled.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. It was a hundredths of a second. Cole Hocker was there as well. Um,
Cole Hocker actually ended up winning in search, uh, in the 1500 meter race. Uh, you know, he's,
he's an American guy. I'm a big fan of him. We actually have a clip from him that I wanted to
pull up real quick because he not only runs, but he also does a little bit of DJing on the side.
Um, so I just happened to fall upon a clip on my TikTok feed one day and your TikTok feeds are
full of DJs. Uh, it actually, yeah, fairly good about a DJ as well as my Instagram feed. Yeah.
Uh, I do follow a lot of DJ accounts, but, um, just so happened like this video popped up and I was like,
this guy looks familiar. Sure enough. It's Cole Hocker. I didn't know he actually DJed on the
side, which I thought was really cool. Cause we were into DJing a little bit for a little bit.
So Grant Fisher was also there as well. Like I was talking about, uh, he ended up not, you know,
having the hottest performance of his career, but that's the thing. Like he ran the 3000 meter
and there were a lot of Americans who put up some crazy numbers at that race as well. Um,
Grant Fisher actually ended up placing seventh at that race in search. So, um, you know, these are
two of my guys from two of my guys. These are two of my favorite guys to watch from the actual track
running area, just because they're Americans and we're America over here. So big support of that.
Um, but Ethan Strand did win.
Ethan Strand did with, uh, Silesia, uh, which was before search in the 1500 meter and he beat Cole Hocker,
uh, Phanuel Koech and Jakob Ingebrigtsen, um, in that one. Um, so it's, it's interesting.
Like the way they set up the Paris diamond league, they do the Silesia, the 23rd and then search the
27th, but it just allows them like a second chance kind of to put up some, you know, better numbers.
Um, you know, you also had Melissa Jefferson wooden who won the women's hundred meter in
70 or 1078. Um, so yeah, it was a great, it was a great race. Uh, people putting up crazy numbers
there. I mean, it's just constantly like people lowering times every year, every race. It's crazy.
Consistently. Consistently. And let's talk about
Yomif Kejelcha. He's pending the half marathon world record. At this point, the shock is not
only that someone can run a four 20 mile pace for half marathon. It's that
Kejelcha was still getting faster later in the race. So he ran a 56 51 in Buenos Aires on August
23rd. The market is pending world record subject to World Athletics ratification. His pace improved
through the race and world athletics reported a 232 final kilometer. So the average pace was
approximately 420 per mile. His five k splits were 1345, 1334, 1322, 1323 through 20k. So I mean,
that's insane. That is absolutely insane. That is absolutely insane. And when he crossed the
finish line, everyone was saying that he didn't even look that tired. Dude, that's the thing. 420
a mile is crazy. Yeah. That's the thing with these marathon runners and half marathon runners,
every one of them, when they cross the finish line, especially these top guys, even though they're
breaking records, they look like they're just chilling. Like Connor Mantz, whenever he, I mean,
he wasn't breaking record, but he ran like, it's like a 201. He ran one of the fastest like
American marathon records. And he finished the race. He looked at his chilling, just walked off.
I mean, it's just crazy what like peak performance does for these guys. They just chill.
Performance ladies and gentlemen, peak performance. It's everywhere. We're covering it every week.
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But that's, that's crazy. Yeah. So both the marathon record this year and the half marathon
record have fallen. We've done it. We've done it. Now we just need the 5k and the 10k to drop.
And then it's right. It's up to you to do it, Tyler. The UTMB, the 5k would be insane.
Let me look up the 5k record really quick. Let's look it up. Let's look it up. I'm not running
anything special. Um, I'm pretty sure my heart would literally explode and then I would die.
I'm trying to extend my life as long as possible. Dude, 12 minutes and 35 seconds.
There ain't no way. Yeah, no way. I'm even touching it. You don't have a chance. Yeah,
no. I'll be the first to tell you, you don't have a chance, man. No. Neither do I. I mean,
I'm just saying, but yeah, neither do I. No, because we had UTMB drop the world record. I
mean, it would literally be a perfect year if we could get all, all records, just every single one
of them drop it. I mean, obviously high rocks, you know, the records always dropping like all the time.
Right. It's actually crazy. But I mean, I would say that it's not that common. High rocks records
are dropping though, because the thing is like not a lot of them are taking it into consideration
because the course changes so much. So in reality, it's just the world championship that they really
care about. That is fair. I mean, because every time someone breaks a record in high rocks,
they're like kind of arguing about it. Like, this course is shorter. It's not, you know,
so that's kind of like, it's the same, it's kind of like a micro scale of like a Leadville race,
you know, that we just discussed. It's like, well, the course was changed, or it was shorter,
or whatever. And like, they don't really take it as serious. Yeah, it's like the smallest thing,
because there is so many like different factors, like the sleds, like, I remember Hunter was talking
about them, right? Like if they are like a lot more worn, you're obviously gonna get more friction,
so it's harder to push. But if they're brand new, you know, that pain is still on there,
you're gonna get less friction, like it's, it is kind of insane. adidas Agravic Speed Ultra
Evo, the $500 super shoe. It's a trail shoe, by the way. This just goes to show you how serious
ultra running and trail running is getting. Road running has always been the top dog. Right now we
have some trail shoes bringing in some elite level performance. So they launched this during UTMB week
and that's one thing at UTMB. That's the only reason I don't know. I don't want to see only
reason. I want to go for two reasons. One, it's beautiful there. It's a cool atmosphere. I guess
that's like three reasons, but then every single new running brand, new watch brand, they have a
release a collab. So it's like super cool, dude. Yeah. Like I know fÄnix nine, which we'll talk
about later or actually next, but they released in UTMB. COROS did the collab with satisfy in UTMB
as well. And then you have like Nike ACG, so many different ones, Adidas and whatnot. So it's,
that's pretty cool. So the shoe brings concepts from Adidas road racing line into a lightweight
trail platform using a dual energy rim structure and light strike pro foam. Adidas says it improves
energy return by more than 10% and running economy by approximately 1% versus the Agravic Speed Ultra
two. So the company has not published enough test method detail for those figures to be treated as
independently proven, but the shoe reviews are going to be on it. Don't you worry. I'm just waiting
for a COSIFA. What's the name? Caffuzi. Caffuzi. I don't know. Caffuzi, maybe. Who's you know, there's
not many trail runners out there that are like reviewing shoes. Actually, the run testers,
they literally review every single shoe of the world because they have like a Ted man team or
whatever. Here's a hot take. They are the worst reviewers ever. I agree. I agree. Ever. They do.
Every time I watch a review, dude, I don't even care. Every time I watch a damn review of them,
I'm like, this information is shit. The problem. Let me, let me, let me pinpoint you the problem
with their channel. The fact, okay. So it's good to get different. We have 65 subscribers. So we have,
we have something to talk about here. You know, we're on a damn pedestal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let
me let you are, uh, our expert angle here. We know exactly how you guys should be running your fucking
channel. Yeah. But like they just have, they have so many reviewers and it's, it's okay. It's cool
to get different views. Right. But they all have different opinions sometimes. And it's like, it's
like, well, is it a good shoe? And then you're like, then you're like conflicted about getting it.
Well, there's this one guy, I don't know by name. I forget the guy hates everything. Okay. It's
every, the guy hates everything. Uh, is he, is he a British dude? I think I know who you are.
All British. That's actually, yeah, that's true. All British, except for Confuzzi. He's the only
one who's like, he's not, he's not a part of the run testers. Oh, you're saying specifically from
the red testers is one of the guys. Well, yeah, that's who we're talking about. Right. Okay. Okay.
My bad. I thought you went off on a tangent and you found someone else. That guy, he just hates
everything. Every time we reviews that I forget his name, but he's like, yeah, you know, it was
okay. It wasn't as much as I'd like. And he has like only one shoe that he likes and sticks to,
but it's like from their reviews, every shoe that's amazing, they always have something like bad.
Yeah. But then I go to a different channel, the Confuzzi and Kowana or Ohana or something.
Best reviewers of all time. For sure. Best reviewers. Yeah. 100%. I love Confuzzi. I hope,
the thing is, yeah, I don't think they trail around, but maybe they'll be the experts for it.
Yeah. Would you pay $500 for a trail shoe? No. I would. I mean, okay, don't get me wrong. This
thing looks absolutely sick. I would. I mean, that thing is beautiful. I am a big believer in pay to
win. But dude, for real, I don't care what anyone says. Give me the best stuff ever. I don't even
care if I'm running 10 minute miles on the road. Okay. But do you think the 1% right versus their
previous one would be worth the extra two like, or 175? I mean, like at that point, I would probably
just get the Agravic Speed Ultra two or the previous model. Because I mean, it was 1%.
Yeah, I mean, that's a good point. You know,
like an extra hundred, $175.
And that was that funny? I mean, a little bit. Yeah. Well, it says here, the dual energy RAM
design allows the medical medial and lateral sides to move more independently on uneven terrain.
What if the energy RAM is specific to that shoe? Then is that beneficial? Maybe we're thinking too
much of better running economy. It says 10% greater return. But what if the stability is
more independent and actually makes you tire out less than is it worth it?
In that case, and that's why you should buy the shoe today. Yeah. Adidas has sponsored our
first right. Yeah, we just got surprised. We were sponsored by Adidas use our code
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No, but it's actually funny because so Adidas released theirs and then you were saying Nike,
they were, they had a release as well. Oh, pull it up, pull it up for their ultra. Yeah.
Very similar looking, in my opinion, very similar looking. Now it is also super cool. I think it
looks beautiful. So they say Nike ACG has revealed the Picklejus a new mountain running shoe built
for long-term technical terrain around Cheminy and beyond the midsole combines the best time of year.
Yeah, for a combines to zoom X densities in which Nike says its first co molded dual density super
critical foam platform built for the trail. A softer core for cushioning and low protection
wrapped in a firmer perimeter rain for stability underneath sits what they call GOATEK.
ACG own traction platform, which Nike says delivers 45% more wet traction and 25% greater
abrasion resistance than the previous all terrain out soles. That's a big.
It's a big claim going against percentages don't speak to me, to be honest. Yeah,
I don't care about that. But when you're talking about like a 45% more wet, like a percent, when
you say percent, like it's not gonna be this isn't an iPhone. Exactly. It's not gonna be like anything
crazy comparatively to what everybody uses for their normal tractions on trail running shoes. I
can't think of the name right now. Here's my thing. It looks fucking cool. Oh, yeah. One thing that
Nike has done well. I haven't really seen or heard too much going on in the running space. I mean,
sure they did well in the Vomero series, Vomero Plus or whatever. Yeah. But like ACG, Nike ACG
does really well. I mean, they make pretty cool products. And I think it's a cool line. It is.
Actually, we saw in that sprint finish, what she was wearing it, she was wearing not not the pick
list, but she was wearing that ACG shirt that has all the holes in it and like the exposed armpit.
Like I think, yeah, like that stuff is pretty cool. I'm glad they like because they were
discontinued for a little bit or they weren't discontinued, but they were not ACG was not a
thing for a little bit like they closed and then they came back like we I think being you discussed
a while back. No, what happened was Nike trail dissolve moved into ACG permanently. Oh,
I believe that's what happened. Okay, maybe that's what it was because they knew AC they're pushing
two different things and it's like it kind of is the same thing. Yeah. So I believe they just
morphed them into ACG, which is a good move. Yeah, that mean that makes sense. And I just want to
correct myself. It's GOATEK not GOATEK. I was like, Gore-Tex, what I said it's close. Yeah,
just what just what just for you guys, the comments. But yes, super cool shoe. I think
it's beautiful. I mean, beautiful. There's some other colors as well. Dare you say that you're in
love with the shoe. I don't know, comparatively to the Adidas one. I think the Adidas one's a lot
cleaner. Dude, the Evo SL is the running shoe for Adidas. I mean, the fit, the look is solid.
That's right. You do have the Adidas. I've been running a little bit more recently. And I've been
relying on the Adidas Evo SL. And I've been having a good time. I choose Fridays as my run only day.
So I'll do four to five miles on Friday morning. But no pressure, just whatever.
And then I've been adding warmups, mild warmups, and some of my workouts that way,
slowly increasing mileage. I'm not really sure what I'm going to do with it, but I'm like,
I'm hitting a crazy momentum spree in my fat loss. So it's like super fun because
everything's clicking perfectly. So yeah, I lowered my carbs by 10 from 200 to 190.
And the switch fucking flipped. That was crazy how small that difference is.
What's even more crazy is most people would get frustrated and say, I'm not losing weight and like
lower your calories. So that equals to I lowered it by 50 calories. Yeah. So some people would go
one, 200 calories. But if that much difference, 50 calories makes a difference. You can imagine
what 100 to 200 will do. You could begin to start burning muscle. Right. So you have to be so
meticulous. I mean, very meticulous. Yeah. And I have been absolutely dialed. So we're really close
to the goal. And I'm just excited. But also, also, I do a lot of biking right now. So then I was like,
I'll just mix it up, add some running in there. I enjoy running, but I definitely don't like,
I just don't want, I kind of want to avoid getting into a plan right now. Right. Even then, like,
inevitably, I would like want to get into something. But I'm like, I'm not too sure.
Yeah. Which there is, you said it to me, there is that race that you were like, I'm kind of
interested. Yeah, the 5k every hour on the hour for six hours. Well, they had a 612 and 24.
Oh, okay. Oh, okay. I didn't see that. Yeah. So you can really push the edge. If you do 24,
I was like, that'd be kind of cool. That would be kind of cool. Yeah. Because like a 5k for an hour,
I like calculated it was like 19. You had to run like a 19 minute per mile pace to finish.
That's almost like speed walking. But that's to finish at an hour.
That's the finish at an hour, of course. So if you want to have like 30 minutes to sleep,
that's the thing you have to start adding in like rest and yeah, a 10 30 for 3.1 miles,
probably get to probably 20 to 30 minutes. Yeah, yeah, just about which would be perfect. But it's
like a ranch in Fort Worth. And it's like, like, beautiful acres of land out there. And it's crazy.
It's so cool. It'd be fun, dude. It would be really fun. Me too. Just to try it out. Like,
I don't really care to do crazy in it, but it's just for fun. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
That'd be really cool. And then you could use your Garmin fÄnix 9 Pro to track all your
metrics while you're there as well. That's right. If you wish. So people have been on the fence with
this fÄnix 9, fÄnix 9 Pro launch. Let's get into it. So they launched this thing on August 25th.
No, no, no, they actually, they announced it on the 25th, but it was available to buy on the 28th.
Because I woke up that morning and bought the 9 Pro. But I have the fÄnix 7 Solar,
which is the memory and pixel display. And I'm gonna decide to go ahead and switch to AMOLED
because with this, they actually added the AMOLED to be 3000 nits of brightness switches.
At that point, like you're not really competing. Like a lot of people go for a memory and pixel for
one longer battery life. But at this point, the AMOLED displays are reaching the point to be so
efficient that you still get amazing battery life. Like unless you're doing week long or like super
endurance ultras, then obviously you want to stick to something like the Enduro or like a
memory and pixel display. But at this point, technology is so good that it doesn't really
matter. So the fÄnix 9 Pro, let's, let's talk about the, or what they added, I guess.
So the fÄnix 9 Pro 64 gigs of storage. Again, new AMOLED displays. They have like this new
in reach feature. And then let's see, they're adding in stamina zones and stamina curve,
which kind of modeled how long an athlete may sustain different paces and power outputs. And
you were looking at this the other night, so you can kind of hop in here. Yeah. So it uses like
your VSU max, your training history, all to calculate like your potential during like a run.
And what we were talking about like was, well, does a stamina zone help or hurt you? Because I
was thinking, well, if it's telling you how much you have left in the tank, right? And you go based
off that number. And let's say you, it hits zero, and then you stop and you back off. And it's like,
Oh, well, my stamina is at zero. Like I can just, you know, chill back off. But what if you actually
had more in the tank and you're not like listening to this piece of equipment on your wrist, but then
you made a good point. Like, well, it could overshoot it possibly. And it's really kind of helping you
actually push further because you're like, Oh, I could, it's telling me I actually have more in
the tank. Like, I probably could go further. Or I could go faster. And so that was great.
And so naturally, I think that's where it's gonna land for most people. And like we talk about all
the time, like, most people are doing so little, and they don't even realize it. If you want, if
you want like true adaptation and change, you have to go more than you think. Like, it's, it's, it's
gonna require a lot more discipline, a lot more, like hours in the gym, you know, like, and I don't
mean by like, two hours of string training, but like, you're gonna have to do double days, you're
gonna have to, you know, push that zone to or that workout much further than you think. Right. And,
you know, extending the workout means like, making sure it's perfect, like better warm ups, better
cooldowns, and then intentionally doing the best and the most you can during those workouts. So I
mean, I think that's where to land for most people. I think it'll help people. I don't think people
are like, Oh, I'm at zero stamina. I think I don't think anyone's gonna get there. Yeah, that's true.
That's fair. Yeah, because there's no way like you go based off feel your brain's probably going to
tell you to back off before you what your actual potential is. Right. Because it's trying to save
you. It's like fight or flight like, Oh, you need to back off. But another thing was you were telling
me in I believe it was the difference between the thicknesses. Oh, yes. So yeah, that's a good point.
So they have the fÄnix seven solar and I was debating on getting the nine pro solar. And the
issue is is that they haven't made technology where it can be one unibody. So like you'll have
your solar lens on top, you'll have the body itself. And then you have like a different sapphire lens.
So like it's multiple stacks, so it causes it to be thicker. Yeah, I think the the nine pro solar
is around 17.8 millimeters thick. Yes. And so my fÄnix seven pro the one that I have on my wrist
right now is 14.8, I believe. And so it's thick to me like it's a bigger watch. And going to a
fÄnix nine pro solar adding damn near two millimeters of thickness. That's a lot. With the
AMOLED they were able since there is more technology and you don't have a solar screen on it.
They're able to make it a lot more compact. Yeah, nine. The fÄnix nine pro 47 millimeter comes in
at 13.8 millimeters. So it's even thinner than my seven solar. And so I'm like, well,
they're plus are adding 3000 nits of brightness. And I'm like, okay, at that point, like I actually
do care about it being somewhat slimmer. I don't want a thicker watch. The fÄnix seven is a beefy
watch. And then you're going two more millimeters thicker, which is going to make a difference in
just everyday use. And like if you have a sleeve or anything, it's going to get caught. Now, the
new 47 millimeter AMOLED looks sleek, dude. Yeah, like the thinness of it, I've seen it on people's
wrist. It looks really good. Yeah. So I'm definitely excited that should be here in a couple of days.
Yeah, I'm excited to see it. Yeah, no, it's gonna be sick. So the prices for the fÄnix nine, they
started in 999. And the fÄnix nine pro starts at 1099 or 1100 pretty much but yeah, yes. Yes.
Lighter to all titanium casing. Yeah, no more polymer like they had before. I believe the
fÄnix nine has polymer. If you want like the best in all the upgrades, you had to get the nine pro.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because one thing is one distinction. The fÄnix eight pro has a brighter
screen. The fÄnix nine has a little bit of a step up from the fÄnix eight pro. The fÄnix nine
pro has the ultimate step up. It's truly the max 3k knit brightness. And you could like really see
the screen outside. Now you can see the screens outside in most other watches. But 3000 nits,
it's like, you're going to see it. Yeah. The best way I could try to describe this
through words is I have the epics gen two. It's 1000 nits. Right. And when I run,
it's visible, but it's not like, Oh, like it's perfectly clear. Yeah. So three times that
is going to be like, I, it's gotta be crystal because that's already like, it's already gotta
be pretty bright in order for you just to see it in the sun at all. Yeah. So for it to be three
times brighter, I'm sure it's going to look great. Like while you're in like, a lot of the comments,
it's, you know, obviously everything in the world, people say like, Oh, this is stupid. Like everyone
hates on everything. And right. If you have the fÄnix eight or fÄnix eight pro, like sure,
you probably don't want to step up and get the nine or nine pro doesn't really make sense.
But like, you shouldn't be buying watches every year anyways, or you shouldn't be buying
Garmin watches every year to an extent, because at this point, like they haven't made
in its, it's in all wearables. There's not enough technology advancements to make a true like,
okay, I'm going to buy this. Now my fÄnix seven pro I bought four years ago. And on top of that,
they changed the sensor out the heart rate sensor from fÄnix seven to the fÄnix eight. So I'll
be getting a new sensor, a new screen, you know, like a lighter weight thinner. So like, for me,
it makes sense. And I don't even I think the seven pro actually had has the same sensor as the nine
pro. So if you have the seven pro, there's really no point. But I was like right there at that
threshold, where is okay, it actually makes sense for me to go ahead and upgrade. Because if I wait
for the fÄnix 10, that's two years, that's going to be six years. And some people are saying like,
I'll just wait for my fÄnix six or whatever, or I'll just hold on to my fÄnix six. And it's like,
sure, I mean, I guess it's like, I don't want to do that. Like, yeah, stupid. I don't know. I'm
gonna consistently buy watches every four years. I think it's, I can say it's understandable,
if you want to stick with the fÄnix six, just because Garmin makes pretty good, rugged watches,
right? They last forever. Well, yeah. But also like new technology, like, I'm a paid away guy.
Exactly. I give you that. Paid away. Ladies and gentlemen, paid away. That's the name of the
game this year is paid away. Yeah, dude. Like that's, I mean, I'm excited. He's going to be sick.
No, it's beautiful. And like, yeah, I mean, it's honestly time for me to upgrade. And honestly,
guys, let me know in the comments, because I'm curious, I have the epics, Jen too. And my AMOLED
display is like burning in like you could see like just past the white, you could see like little
marks where like the time would be. So I don't know if it's just me because I work outside a lot. So I
am constantly outside and the sun beating down on it. But yeah, let us know. Because I'm curious
if anyone else has ever had AMOLED issues. Yeah. And a lot of people are team COROS as well.
Yeah, that's true. I was looking at that. The apex for the memory and pixel screen is a lot
dimmer. And it's not as reflective as like the solar models on the Garmin. Yeah. And then I was
like, Okay, well, whatever, like, then I was like, I'm gonna go AMOLED anyways, and then they only have
the pace for they don't have the pace for pro yet. But I was like, whatever, I'm just gonna stick with
Garmin. I don't really see an issue with it. So yeah, 100%. And I was it was crazy, because a great
timing. I started looking for a watch. Then like a week and a half later, Garmin came out with their
fÄnix nine. I was like, Yeah, yeah. Hell yeah, it sounds like it. It makes sense for me to upgrade
to honestly, hey, it always makes sense, man. It always makes sense that you have. Go ahead.
I was just gonna say the fact that it is so slim. That's a pretty big selling point for me to just
because you'll see it firsthand in a couple days. For sure. That's how you make a decision. But we
do have a few socials to get into. So let's pull up our first one. Kyle from Nelk. Seven
marathons, seven continents, seven days. So he's a good friend with Matt Johnson. We covered that
last episode. And this is what he's doing. When is he doing it? Do you know? He is doing it. He's
live streaming at November 15th. Okay. Yeah. So he said, I might be sick in the head, but post 100
miles, he did a hundred mile live stream. A while back, I've been craving something hard again.
Live stream November 15th. So do you see the video? It's like AI generated. It's AI generated. Yeah.
So it's like got multiple continents in the background. That's funny. It's actually insane.
But it's cool because Nelk will be giving a solid like full live stream. You can actually watch it.
Like they did really good. And what was it? The hundred mile one? Yes. And that was actually very
enjoyable to watch. So we'll be covering this because it's, it's fun. Yeah. And I'm sure,
I mean, Matt Johnson has got to be there. He had, he just did project seven,
seven marathon, seven continents, project seven. Come on now. But I think he was there. He was
actually there at their hundred mile race too. He was there. I think amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing.
It's not a maze glaze, bro. Yeah, it is. It's AMG. It's AM glaze.
Am glaze. My bad. His name's Andy, by the way. And you keep saying a maze glaze. And I'm like,
why in the hell is he saying a maze? Like bro is reading his, his, his Instagram. And he's like,
okay, amazing glaze. And he's probably like, what in the fuck is he saying? Yeah. I mean,
that just sounds insane. Amaze glaze. Amaze glaze.
But yes, Andy glaze. Yeah. And he goes and Kyle and Matt Johnson. I mean, yeah. Matt Johnson.
Really cool to see. Yeah. Their live streams are always really good.
Cause there's a kangaroo in the back. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. There's a kangaroo. I think when he
goes to India, look at this. The guys on the back of the truck. That's insane, dude. But anyway,
and lastly, yeah, lastly, the, uh, TDS race from UTMB, there was a post talking about Jeff who
suffered a heart attack and had received immediate medical treatment from the race and emergency
medical teams before being airlifted into a hospital where he remains under medical care. Yeah.
That's a good kind of, uh, segue here because we see one side of it, like a bunch of people are
doing this, like on the influencer side, these things, you know, the reality of ultra running,
it's a serious sport. Uh, we have people on the course that get injured and have to get airlifted
all the time. This guy, uh, they call him Bronco Billy. He actually has been racing for so long.
It's like forever almost. And he is known for winning the most hundred milers.
So this guy is no like pushover. He's very smart with his training, knows what to do,
and even the best it gets to him. Right? So yeah, he is currently in a coma. He had a heart attack.
They had to airlift him out. And so right now there's no confirmation on what happened
in terms of what's going on. But, um, yeah, so they do have a GoFundMe. Go check it out.
And his Instagram is go Bronco Billy all lowercase. And they do have the, um, the, um, GoFundMe in the
link in their bio. But yeah, go support if you guys, um, wish to, it's a tough racing is very tough,
especially ultra. And so understand like when you guys are like amateurs or cause there has been a
wave of like, it's cool to run these a hundred miles, 200, 250, really like understand what it
does to your heart, um, and your body is this, these races aren't easy. And if you aren't training for
it, and oftentimes you see a lot of people have heart surgeries and whatnot, it does a lot of
damage to your body. So definitely take it serious and understand what you're signing up for. Um,
because even the best can go down as you see here, which is crappy to see you hate to see it. Yeah,
that's, it's tough on the joints of the knees, like the amount of miles going up and down,
uneven terrain, like that stuff is scary. Like, well, I mean, that's like the bare minimum,
but you also have to understand your heart is elevated for several days. Yeah. I mean,
for sure. If it's taken you a long time to finish a hundred to 200 miles, your, your,
your heart's like technically resting at like one 20. You know, it's like, you're not really resting
and you're just moving even in the dirt naps. Right? Yeah. Yeah. It is crazy. And so these are
things to think about for sure. Yeah. They even had max was in here, send it to love. Courtney do
Walter path projects, lots of people in here sending big name in the ultra filled to Jeff. Yeah. So
keep that in mind guys. 100%. And that pretty much wraps up today's show. Thank you guys
so much for watching. Um, if you watch this far, um, appreciate it. Um, so we'll catch you guys
in the next one. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this jet packed episode full of performance. So
we'll catch you later. Peace out. Peace.