Elsbeth: Season 3, Episode 6 - Bunker Down

The Good Pod is back, and this week Elsbeth finds herself up against a paranoid billionaire with a murder bunker. When a high-powered fixer disappears—and his dog is left behind—Elsbeth and her team dig into a spiraling mystery involving drone guns, microwave traps, and one extremely incriminating banana. Tony Hale guest stars as Craig Harris, a FinTech CEO who thinks the socialists are coming. Meanwhile, Ellie's romance with Alec heats up, and a surprise guest from Judge Crawford’s past raises major red flags. Will Elsbeth piece together the truth before the evidence gets buried—again?

Timestamps
00:12 – Anders goes missing—and leaves his dog behind
11:40 – Elsbeth and Craig meet over chocolates and The Great Gatsby
24:15 – Inside the panic room: drones, traps, and paranoia
33:50 – Anders resurfaces... briefly
46:30 – A preserved banana cracks the case

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# Elsbeth S3 E6

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Welcome to the Good Pod, where today we're talking to Ell Smith, season three, episode six, bunker Down. I'm one of your hosts, Jason Reed. With me as always, someone who I'm pretty sure this is their favorite episode of ELLs Smith ever dealing with taking down rich people and automation. Yeah. Marissa Garza.

Marissa. That's me. Yeah. You good? I'm good. Are you good? I'm good. I'm good. Good. Yeah. I was like, boy, this is, this was, this is a Marissa episode of I ever Saw one. I was like, finally someone is speaking my truth. Yeah. Again, they know us. They know exactly like mm-hmm. First of all, Marissa came back last episode, now eat the rich.

I'm here for it. Yep. Eat the, I mean, and at the end of the episode they go, that's not enough to convict someone. I like, they've been listening. They would listen to me. They, they eat the concrete evidence. Exactly. They, they're listening to this podcast, I'm sure. And, and putting, putting our, putting our stamp on it.

That's, that's for sure. [00:01:00] Um, yeah. Marissa, another episode of Elizabeth Down. Um, yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah. I was just thinking, I think like last episode I was like, if this is what the new way of Elizabeth is, I am for it. And then we get this episode, which is a similar type of vibe and everything, which I'm fine with, but the lack of continuity from, which is a new word I just made up, um, from the last one to now, like there's.

Like if we don't pick that back up, I'm gonna be a little miffed. Uh, I'm gonna be Marissa Miffed. I'll tell you're, I'll be a Marissa. That's miffed at Marissa. We're still hanging off the cliff. They didn't, they didn't pull us back up off the cliff hanger. We just we're just hanging from the cliff. Like, we're, I'm waiting.

I'm, I'm waiting to be, you know, pulled up from the cliff. Because we got a big moment at the end of the last episode. Ell Smith. You're the only one that can save New York City. Yeah. Sh It was like, it was like in Star Wars Obiwan. You're my only hope. S Pat, you're the [00:02:00] only one. Yeah. It'd be like, obiwan, you're my only hope.

And then be like, bye bye. See ya. Not gonna tell you how or why, but bye. So yeah, we got, we got that moment from Issa last episode, and then we don't get any follow up. This episode. I mean, I guess the, you know, it's, they're trying to build some anticipation to be like, oh, we told you that there's something going on, but you gotta wait and find out what it is.

Um, like how many episodes though? Yeah. Yeah. I need like, okay. You, you, you can hang us to another episode, but, uh, we're gonna need some resolution. Well, and we'll talk about it when we get into it, but the fact that it would be better if, like Wi Space wasn't in this at all. Uh, Alec. Yeah. If Alec didn't show up at all, I, I wouldn't even like have clocked like that.

There's something. Mm-hmm. But they had a whole conversation and it was like, nothing, nothing's coming up. Or No thoughts by Elsbeth. No. Like, oh, I remember Marissa said to do this. Or like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. We're getting too, we're getting too deep. Let's, let's, let's do, let's do our housekeeping first.

[00:03:00] Let's do our housekeeping first. Uh, great listeners and viewers. Of podcast of the Good pod, good folk, as we call you. Uh, if you want to help this podcast out, this, this fledgling small business of a podcast, you can do so in a variety of different ways. You can do that by liking, rating, reviewing, and subscribing.

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Are you, are you I, I'm not saying anything I say as far as they know Marissa. As [00:05:00] far as everyone knows, as far as I know. Also, unless you're trying to tell me something. As far as everyone knows, there's no skullduggery. No. The recording of this podcast on November 15th, 2025, just timestamping for future reference in case anybody needs it.

I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying. As far as you and the listeners know, there's no, no one involved or associated with murder or any crime of any kind, as far as you all know. Okay. That's all I'm saying. Would you like to stop saying things that are being recorded? Is that at all? No. Okay. I'm not saying, I'm not saying anything that can be used against me in a court of law on this podcast.

I mean with our knowledge of early 2010s law. Yes, that is correct, correct? Correct. All right. We got that outta the way. We just, I just wanted [00:06:00] to make sure everyone knew that, as far as you all know. Yes. No crimes associated with this podcast. Okay. Alright. Just other than the crime discussed on the podcast that are not done by us.

Yeah, exactly. Just to ease everyone's minds. Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well thanks for that. That was very nice. Yeah, it's out there. Uh, so Marissa Uhhuh, let's, let's dive to the episode. Okay. And what happened here, right. I'm gonna somewhat oppressed, and then we can dive deeper into it. It all begins when Anders Whitman, a fixer for high powered crisis management firm, suddenly disappears.

The only clue that's left is his dog left alone, which everyone agrees is a huge red flag because he's like getting served with a subpoena and the guy can't find him and his dog is making a lot of noise. So Elsbeth Officer Nikki Reynolds shows back up. And we get Lieutenant Steve Connor out of the precinct, and they start pulling on threads and everything leads back to Andrew's last known client, Craig Harris, a paranoid ultra wealthy FinTech, CEO, [00:07:00] who, who's convinced the eat the rich crowd is coming for him.

Craig. Claims that he and he and a date were hiding from intruders. But when the story falls apart fast, especially once Emily, the woman in question reveals that he pulled her into a hidden weaponized bunker, filled with electrified doorknobs, drone guns, and a microwave people machine. She escaped and posted about it online, triggering a PR nightmare that Anders was trying to clean up when he went missing.

As Elizabeth, Nikki and Lieutenant Conner investigate, Anders escaped through a tunnel in the bunker that leads to a manhole cover on 72nd Street. Anders is in free, long before he is hit by a car and killed. The autopsy reveals that Anders was burned, shocked, bitten by a rat, and also had chemicals under his.

Fingernails. As it turns out, not only did Anders manage to escape the bunker, but he left behind one of one last coated message and implicated Craig in his attempted murder. ELLs Smith pieces everything [00:08:00] together with a fruit fly, a preserved banana, and a fly swatter. Craig is finally arrested. Meanwhile, Elsbeth romantic subplot with Alec, uh, heats up and we get emotional moments between Elsbeth and Judge Crawford's widow Winnie, who is still seeking the truth for her husband's crime.

But it turns out she may know more than it seems. Yes. So yes, I have to say I enjoyed the microwave, the rich, um, episode here. And also I really enjoyed the portrayal of Craig. Um. As the amalgamation of pretty much every, I think we had a little bit of every known technocrat that we know Uhhuh in, in this world.

Yeah, definitely. Uh, Tony Hale, uh, guest starring here as Craig, who Tony Hale, you'll know from, uh, he got his, I think he got his big break on arrested development and, uh, continued to star on Veep, which I think is probably his like second best [00:09:00] known. Uh. He also is Ky in Toy Story three Four. One of them four.

And Toy Story five. Coming soon. Coming soon, yeah. And he also took over for fear in Inside Out, but anywho, uh, yeah, he's great at this. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Being this very like, snobby, obnoxious, uh, person is really his, his thing. But, but I mean, I would, I would say Tony Hill, like, 'cause I think, uh. He was Buster.

Right. Buster. And he was Buster. His buster with his hook. With his hooker. Yeah. Buster. Buster Bluth and, um, Veep character. Veep character. The Bagman. The Bagman was, oh my God, I don't know. Hold on's gonna haunt me. H me, I don't do it. People. You can yeah. Scream it, scream it out, scream it out at home. We'll hear you, we'll hear you scream it.

Uh, it was a very, it was a very, uh, singular name. Tiny. Gary Walsh. Gary, that's his name. Gary. [00:10:00] Uh, they're very different characters though, so I think, I think he has great range. So like this, this year is a really good, like middle ground, um, of that, of that range here. Uh, very fun. I mean, obvi like. And yeah, he's all about automation.

He doesn't like people. I, oh yeah. He has taken this to the extreme. He's gotten rid of most of his staff, automated everything that he can. He thinks that people are basically the enemy and are trying to get him at all times. And I mean, he's not wrong, but like the solution maybe isn't. Building a fortress of solitude, you know?

But it is funny that he hates people so much, but he still needs to get some, you know, he still needs Oh, yeah, yeah. He still needs, he still needs to date. Okay. Like, he, he hasn't gotten those, one of those really, uh, realistic, uh, robots yet to Oh, the company. So he, he, he still has to have some, some human interaction.

Can I tell you one of my favorite montages with this character? So Anders is there and he's like trying to like say, okay, just tell me what happened, like, what happened? And [00:11:00] um, he ends up getting. Shoved in the bunker. And at that time Craig is like, I don't know how to handle this right? Like, I don't know what to do next.

So he tries to microwave 'em, doesn't work. Um, because I'm pretty sure that was a fail safe by the builder to like not, he tried to microwave. That made like a hot pocket. Yeah. It's a man, not a hot pocket there, Craig. Yeah, it was bad. And then he runs over to like a gun safe. And then I love. I love the commentary because he can't remember the combination.

Then he is like, what is my mom's birthday? And then he tries to use a drone and he like can't read the instructions to like, Uhhuh use the drone altogether. So he uses this hammer, which I have to tell you looked really rubber to me. Like it looked like really fake and I just enjoyed that entire montage because he was so helpless, even though he apparently is like the king of innovation and super smart and does all this stuff.

So I enjoyed how they folded those pieces of commentary into the case as well. Yeah. I also think it's, it's cool to show like this [00:12:00] super powerful, rich guy is still kind of a loser. He's still, he's still a goober. They can't, they can't figure out like s like not simple things, but does the stuff, like you said, for God's mom's birthdays, he can't do his gun safe.

He can't, can't do the, and he just ends up like. I don't know how to kill this guy. He just like shoves him into the, in the inner room of his, of his panic of his, uh, of his riot retreat as he called Riot retreat. Yeah. He's like, I've tried all these ways to kill this man, because he can't, he can't take on, um, Anders by himself with, with a hammer.

Anders is still like, you're still a rich dweeb. You still can't, like, you still can't fight me with a hammer. So, well, and. Yeah, like his motive. Let's talk about the motive for the killing in the first place. Mm-hmm. Andrews was like, Hey, there's this TikTok out there basically saying that you put this woman in your bunker, AKA riot room.

Um, and then he also talks a little bit about like how he's thinking of leaving crisis management and all of [00:13:00] this stuff. So basically Craig thinks that this guy's a spy for the board and is gonna tell the board, Hey. All of the stuff is going on and make the stock go down and make his job like not good.

So this gets him to do the shoving into the riot room and everything else like that. And like the motive for the killing. I don't think like he, he didn't plan out to do this. But definitely was a reaction. Yeah. Very spur of the moment. Uh, thing here where just he just kind of panics, uh, pun not intended, and, uh, shows the guy into his panic room.

Yes. Yes. Yeah. What did you think about the panic room? It was great. It looked, looked fantastic. I would, uh, I was like, I would mind it as like panic room or just like. A living room I could chill in. Like if I needed to be like cut off from everything, which sometimes I feel the, the big need to do. You know, just get in a room with no windows, with a TV and a very comfortable seat arrangement and just.

B. Right. Like especially in [00:14:00] 2025, right? Like yeah, the Little Haven. Um, I could do without the microwave foyer. That would be something I would, I think I'd be a paranoid that I would accidentally set it off and cook myself Uhhuh. So, yep, I'd probably take that out for sure. I did enjoy that. They use the great Gadsby as the unlock.

To the secret door because obviously the Great Gatsby is about like wealth and the people who are wealthy not taking, um, responsibility for their actions and or being held accountable for them. So it was very apt. I, I think it is very apropos because I. He has this book probably 'cause it just costs a lot of money.

And he is like, oh, that's cool. It's book that costs a lot of money. Not realizing that it's a self own, that he has this like book in, in his own house, basically criticizing himself where he is. He doesn't even realize it. Ellsworth like points out the difference. He's like the, he points, she points this out.

He is like, oh. Cool. I guess he's like, I never read it. Yeah, exactly. I don't even know what it's about. And she's like, you should, it's a classic. [00:15:00] And I'm like, yes, El Beth. You get it. You get it. Yeah. So that was really funny too. Like he's, it's, it, it really speaks to the kind of socially clueless, rich people that we have in our, in our world today that don't even realize that things like this are actually criticizing the better people.

They are. It reminds me of people in power that. Talk like when South Park was not openly criticizing them. Yeah. And they didn't realize that they were subtly criticizing them. Yeah. And they were like, south Park is so funny and so cool. They look at these people like, yeah, they're, they're saying these things when, when they don't realize that South Park is actually making fun of them.

And their ways. So it was a magical time. It was a magical time before the joke was, was seen on that one. Yeah. Software's being very like, uh, obvious now. Like it's being very direct. Yeah, very direct. So, uh, but in those times it was like, haha, that's so funny. Like, you don't realize they're making fun of you.

And that, that's actually pretty funny to us out here, that understand that. Love it. That you love this thing that's actually making fun [00:16:00] of you. Um, so yeah, that was really cool as well. Yeah. And then what do we think about the team that was put on this case? So this case gets introduced, be basically another one that's like a murder later.

It wasn't a murder at the, at the front. Right. We get the, which is different. Very different. Yeah. Right. We, I don't think we've ever really gotten that where we're, we're investigating a thing where the, the victim is for a part of it. Still alive. Well, right. I think we've got, we had a missing person's case that where the person was actually dead.

That turned into, it was the one with the, with Kaya was there and the person was missing and they were in the ocean with the wine. People remember it was like missing and then they found the body. But he was, he was always, he was always dead though. Correct? He was always dead. Correct. He was always dead.

This is the first time this one, there was, there was still a chance. I, I thought maybe we would, we would get, uh, Anders alive. I was like. I was very surprised when we actually killed him off. I was like, oh, we actually gonna have a case where we solve it and find this person alive. That would definitely be a first.

But then, uh, yeah. Can I say, [00:17:00] uh, so we're kind of jumping around a little bit. When Anders did eventually bite the bullet Uhhuh, he got, he basically got run into by a car, Uhhuh on his head. Uhhuh like, but then we went to the autopsy Uhhuh and his, his head is still very much like. Intact. And even really that, that blemished, he just, he has the burns on his face from the microwaving.

But I was like, if a car runs into your head, I feel like you'd have more, like, let's examine this from a physics perspective. Even though I've never taken physics in my entire life, um, I would say he's in a hole. He has some somewhere to go. So like if he was pushed, maybe he was pushed back into the hole.

He fell down like we don't know how he was found. We just know that he was like the manhole cover was open and there was a body, I don't know if the body was on the street. I don't know if the body was in the hole. I have no idea. We saw it. He focused his head out on the hole and then here comes the car.

Yeah, he sat there. Right. But he's sitting there and the car's coming. Was it coming? Did it hit him from the front or did it hit him from the back? Because I thought it hit him from the [00:18:00] back. I don't know. I don't know. That's because if it hit him from the back, he could fall. I mean, back me, the back of head's all messed up then.

Yes. Yeah. You don't see that part of it. Yeah. I still feel like I would see like a lot of like damage on the head, but that's beside the point. It's very like Nicky Nit pity, nit pity. Nitpicky, nitpicky type of thing. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. What do we think of this crew? The, oh, I love the crew because we get, we get Nikki back.

Yeah. Loved her. Loved them. Them, yeah. Like, uh, played by just b, b, just, just their name. B lowercase. Case B. That's correct. So, uh, and I think this is the first time we've seen them in the, in this season, correct? Correct. So, yeah, they've only had one other episode when, when they were introduced, like right after Kyle left or like Kaia was gone, and we were like so excited.

Like, we were so excited. We're like, oh my gosh, this would be a great, like we could deal with this trade, but yeah, this could be, and we thought maybe this, could this be a trio? Could Kaia, could Kaia be detective then be Kayah el with [00:19:00] a B on the, on the scene all the time. But it was not, it was not to be.

Um, yeah, you go, so yeah, we get Officer Nikki back, which is, is, is a plus I think of all the. Substitute, uh, cops we've gotten this season. I think they might be like the best. I think they, we got Grace. Yeah, grace is good. I think, I think, I think B has more of a natural flow with Elsbeth. I believe B. And it by way of Nikki is an actual cop.

Like I believe that they're like, actually, like they memorize the code. They're going to escape rooms to like try to figure things out. You know, like I think that Grace is like. Really wanting to be a comic and yeah. She, like a, a cop is like a side hustle. Yes. Yeah. Nick feels like they, like, they want to be a cop.

They, they love, they love detecting, they go to escape rooms. They, they love to these things. So there was no like, one moment where [00:20:00] Craig like comes up on Lieutenant Connor, like. Like they're planting evidence, blah, blah, blah. And like Nick goes right in between. Like, don't even, don't even don't touch Connor.

Don't touch Connor. And yeah, Connor as kind of our detective fill in, I guess. 'cause I love Wagner's, like, I'm not putting detective on this like it was at at first. It's just like a. Maybe this might be a thing, but you know, Ellsworth's got a bug up her butt about it and so I'll let her go with it. 'cause it's ellsworth's, but like, I'm not put a, a detective on it.

Right, right. So I guess Connor is voluntold to, to go to el, go with Ellsworth on this. So I liked Connor's. We didn't learn. That much more about Connor. I thought this would be a good avenue to like get more info about Connor in his life. Oh. But we did learn some things. One, the him and Elizabeth walking down the street to get next to each other.

Fantastic cinema. I loved it. Like that was, that was so great. But he also. Had some, you know, [00:21:00] sneaky side eye stuff to say to Craig. He's like, oh, it must be so hard when everyone's coming after you. Or, you know, like, he, he definitely wants, you know, he's on, he's not on Craig's side for sure. So we learn a little bit about that and we learn that he, um.

We knew this before, but he will apply reading the directions to literally anything that he is a part of. Because when they go to an escape room to sort of like get the feeling of being in a bunker and like, how would you escape? Uh, he hides one of the clues from everyone and then ellizabeth like, aren't you supposed to be on my team?

And he is like, I didn't see that in the. Okay. Sneaky, sneaky Connor. So that, that is an interesting part of, of him to be like, oh, okay. Connor's, Connor's got a little bit of a gamer in him. Right. You know, he's, he's, yeah, he's, uh, competitive in a way. I've even joined to take him out of the Yeah. Out of the office, right.

Like, yeah. It was cool. It was cool. I hope, I hope they get paired up again, but not too soon, but. [00:22:00] Yeah, this, this episode also like continued the trend this season of Ellizabeth kind of just finding her way onto cases because now it's just ellizabeth overhears someone talking about a dog. Yeah. And she's like, oh, dogs, I love dogs.

Lemme see what's going on here. And we hear from Sue the process server that, uh, Andre's dog, has it been left alone. Uh, for a, a long time it seems so that that sends up red flags. So, of course Ellsworth wants to investigate why a nice, nice, sweet Doggo has been left alone this whole time. And that's how she kind of.

Gets more into the case, you find out who Anders is. We find out what he does, which I think also pings Ellsworth to be like, oh, this is kind of a bad guy. Let's, so there must see something bad going on. And I love when she's like, we're like, well, let's, uh, let's, you know, Wagman's like, let's see who we last talked to.

Let's get the phone records. And I was like. They're not gonna give you phone records. I know they're not gonna invade people's privacy that easily. And then boom, 12 minutes later. 12 minutes later, another trending thing going on this season, uh oh. We got [00:23:00] the phone records and 12, 12 minutes flat. And I was just like, huh.

Okay, cool. Looking at you, apple, uh, Google, who, whoever else we can talk to in this, uh, well, all of like Verizon, at t T-Mobile. Yeah, all of them. I mean, and they have, and they will do that with. Phone record. Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. So that, that was funny. I I really enjoy the, I won't say the kings. I mean, I think the kings are kind of tangentially involved in us at this point.

It's more just the writers showrunners. Yeah. Kind of, uh, picking fun at different things in society, which is what they really, they did a lot this episode. Yeah. And that, and that is what makes for me watching like a good property. Fun is like listening for the, the societal criticism throughout all of, you know, the fun hijinks of the courtroom or police work.

Um, and it came up again too when Elsbeth went to go to the company that Anders worked for and like tried to talk to his boss and she's like, I can't give you that information. And [00:24:00] she's like, you're better than the phone companies, like. But also it's like, oh, there's a, you know, there's a dog, there's a dog involved, the d the dog left alone.

Here's all the information. Yeah. Like privacy rights only go so far, you know? Well, right. Exact. Well, yeah, because the, it showed like he would never leave his dog alone, so. Mm-hmm. I might as well help out. Yeah. Uh, let's talk about the first meeting with Ellsworth and, and Craig Ellsworth does her Ellsworth thing by like pretty much coming in and just.

Searching for clues, like Right, right on. Like, as Connor and Nikki are talking to Craig, Craig's like, um, who is this brightly colored woman? You've went into my house, who's wearing a, like pink, fuzzy, uh, overcoat and eating all of my chocolate. Yeah. Love that. She's like, is this for everyone? It's like, I mean, I guess kind of, and then the way that he, like.

Takes it from her. He is like, you've had three. Like, you know, I would not, it would not, it would not surprise me if that was ad-libbed, because that sounds like something [00:25:00] that, like Tony Hill, I don't know if you remember when just, um, oh my gosh, it's not Jessica Louise Dreyfus. What's her name? Uh, Julia Louis Drive.

Julia. Yeah. I don't know. Oh my gosh. You guys, we are recording much earlier than usual. Yeah. Um, Julia Louis Drive is, she won her Emmy and. Then Tony Hale came up in the, like in the role of Gary to whisper into her ear like people to thank, like Tony Hale is a fantastic improv and is able to like throw things in that really like move the scene further along.

So I mean credits to the writers if they did, but also like. High five to Tony Hale. If you threw that in there. Yeah. It, it was just a trademark, like sarcastic, like you've had three, you've had three, you, you've had enough. Like we're good. You're you. I said you could have like a couple while you're eating all of them.

So I'll take this back. Thank you very much. Well, and it was also fun 'cause like we didn't see her eat three, so we were like, oh my gosh. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh, so I, I love that kind of first [00:26:00] meeting where it's, you know, Ellsworth gets obviously the, you know, the idea. Oh yeah. This guy is definitely. Up for something.

Here we go. And then we get the, the, like you said, the, the workplace thing where the same chocolates are found. Mm-hmm. And it's like, we, we discover that honors had just come from Switzerland. Yeah. So he's giving these gifts. So it's like, okay. So obviously honors has been in Craig's, uh, panic room within the last like day or so.

Yeah. Because when they're at Craig's house, um, Craig tells Craig tells Elizabeth, I have them flown in from Switzerland. Mm-hmm. And I mean. They were flown in from Switzerland. The he and he says it as a way Yeah. Away around the tariffs. So again, a love, love the placement of some of this stuff. Um, but yeah, I mean, Anders is the UPS in the situation.

Mm-hmm. Or FedEx or whatever rich people use, I don't know, they might have their own career. Situation. I don't know. Yeah. Do they all use Amazon? 'cause they're all friends. Who knows. Who knows? Does he get discounts like [00:27:00] done for free? Like, oh, good.

Um, yeah, so I mean they, then they interview the woman that's like, because we find this out basically because the woman in the video was serving defamation papers to Anders, which brought in Stu the process server, who, the process server found the dog on the loan and triggered this whole thing. So we talked to her.

It's like they were on a date and the smoke alarm went off. So Craig thought the socialist. We're out to get him. And you're super paranoid, which is great. Keep up the pressure peeps, keep up the, in this other universe. Keep up the pressure, make the rich scared. It's okay. Yeah, for sure. So yeah, they basically were holed up in there for over four hours, which in the beginning where, uh, Craig's like, oh, it's only four hours, and I'm just like, four hours.

You had it trapped in here for four hours. And Craig's and Craig, who in classic like. I'm rich so I can't do anything wrong. Speak like, she was fine. She was having a great time. She was here for four hours, not [00:28:00] realizing that this woman was probably like terrified. This man was holding her hostage for four hours.

So it's, it very much speaks to the nature of these people that think are untouchable and think they have done no wrong. Yeah, I mean, in this case there weren't any emails that were released by Congress to show that there were people that may have been scared in a situation where they were left alone with a man.

But, um, yeah, that your point still stands, Jason, you're correct. Mm-hmm. For sure. For sure. Um, so yeah, it looks like we're, we're getting probable cause, I guess because of the chocolates issue. So we're able to go in. And look around. Uh, well, elsworth, you know, they, they was this, this moment where El everyone comes in, right?

Everyone comes in. We've got Lieutenant Connors, we've got Nikki there, we've got, uh, the entire like CSI team is there to do a sweep of the, a sweep of the, um. Riot room, although this does, this scene does come after, correct me if I'm wrong, after their conversation [00:29:00] with the manufacturer, where he's basically like, yeah, I put in a thing that cleans everything and also preserves, um, preserves your food because, well, yeah, why not?

We, we've skipped some other things too. So, because, yeah. So Al Smith goes again alone. To Craig's and she's made him some butterscotch. Yeah, she's trying to get more information. This is the moment where they talk about the gassy book and what the gassy book means. Yeah. And Craig gets like really scary.

He like basically backs Ellsworth into a corner and is like, are you like basically like. Talks about corruption, talks about, well, she talks about the corruption of money and he basically kinda likes, backs her to her corner and makes her like scared. I was like, I, I was thinking maybe he would try and put her in the panic room with Anders and be like, oh, is this now a search for Anders and Ell Smith?

But she actually is able to get outta there. Yeah. No, but I brought up the other one because like, I found it weird that they would go do the search when they were just told that everything's gonna be clean. I mean, I guess you gotta double check. I, I, I guess you gotta go right. Well, we're not, we, you know.

[00:30:00] Sure. Who knows who, who, who knows what's going on. He could, Anders could still be there. That's true. And, and alive. He may have like forgotten about the self cleaning because we also see, because at this moment in time. Craig is still trying to like, figure out how to get rid of Anders. He's like, he's just got 'em trapped in there.

He tried to be in with the hammer that didn't work. He tried to microwave him. That didn't work. So now Craig is going to the manufacturer of the safer and be like, so let's just say right, like hypothetically, very hypothetically, uh, if I, if someone not me, had a guy trapped in a panic room, not my panic room, and he wanted the guy to die, not that I want a guy to die.

Mm-hmm. How would. How would he do that? Can you guys like, put poison in the air or something and the guy's like, uh, no. 'cause we're not like, basically like, 'cause we're not in a James Bond movie. Um, it's like, but I mean, technically if you like pump the room full of carbon dioxide, you could probably kill someone.

I was like, and Craig's like, huh, okay. Interesting. So I guess Craig [00:31:00] gets a, uh, I, I don't know what he had here, a carbon dioxide, uh. Thing. I think he just like ran it looked like a shot back, but like any machine Yeah. That will omit CO2, right? Yeah. Right. So he tries to like pump the room full of CO2 to kill, uh, to kill Anders easily, and, you know, without much fuss.

Get into the room after the, uh, the, the CO2 bath and wouldn't, you know it, Anders is gone. Is that, I mean, uh, and I think later as, as described by the manufacturers, like, yeah, we always leave a way out even though we don't tell everyone. Because who, yeah. Like what if we can't be trapped? Like who wants to be trapped in a room?

Like that's against the law? Like we, and it's also like, you know, if you want, if you want hookups with like water and things like that, yeah. You're going to need to like hook it up to a sewer system, which, you know, leaves you open to the, the, the underground system. So. It's almost like a don't, don't tell the dumb, rich people, but yeah, we, we [00:32:00] gotta find, gotta give a way out, like field as much as it can be.

Yeah, exactly. Uh, so yeah. You know, uh, Craig tries to kill Anders. Anders escapes. Anders gets, they, they don't really, uh, outline this exactly, but we just, Hey it, Anders got out via underground tunnel. As you know, the turtles do. Hey, tan Union Turtles one of my favorite moves as a kid. I know all about manhole covers.

Okay. Yeah. Uh, Anders gets out through a manhole cover, pokes his head up like a, like a groundhog and bam gets hit by a, yeah, it was kind say, 'cause he like, sits up there, takes deep breath. He's like, okay. Mm-hmm. I'm outta here. And I'm like, you're gonna die in three, two, uh, what? Yeah. I love when we got the, uh, we got the autopsy, which, you know, um.

Hello? Yeah. Where's Ka? Where's Cameron? First episode, I think the season where we don't have autopsy, autopsy details delivered by Cameron. Yeah. This would've been the perfect moment for, [00:33:00] um, they forced Cameron, there was a lot. They, yeah, they, they forced Cameron into every other episode and we have an actual episode where he would come in handy.

He's nowhere to be seen. And I love where they were, like, you know, going through all the injuries that the Anders had and like El was like, where was he to town? He was like, he had burns, he had this, he had that. It's like, what, what It is kind of like a cartoon character type of Cal calamitous injuries here.

Yeah. Yeah. There was also a mention of he, well, at least he didn't get hit by a falling P piano. Oh, mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh, so yeah, that was the, they know something's up here. They're like, Hmm, what's, uh, let's, let's go, let's go check out, uh, Craig's house again. They go through. Go through everything. Can't find a thing because as we were told by the designer, there is like a self cleaning option you can get with these safe rooms, but, but the only thing they find.

There are fruit flies. Fruit flies. Yeah. There are [00:34:00] this, this gives, it's like, it's like billionaires. They're just like us. Yeah. There are fruit flies. Um, so this, this gives ELLs with like an itch in the bag of her brain. Like, Hmm, that is weird. It doesn't, it doesn't smell everything out. But she, she knows something Is, is up.

Yeah. And it, we also had learned from the autopsy that Anders had some stuff under his nails. Didn't really know what it was. Some kind of chemical. Yeah, yeah. But this all comes to Elizabeth's mind when, uh, Nikki suggests that they go to a, um, escape room to kind of get in because Elle's about, like, I wish I could just put myself in Ander's shoes, right.

Like, and go through the, go through the whole bunker experience. And ski groups have been mentioned previously in this episode, and so, and or Nikki suggests, let's go to. The escape room and also in this or in the scene. I really enjoyed it because the introduction to [00:35:00] the escape room was done so dramatically, and then Elsbeth also mentions like, Hey, he's probably earning his equity card, which is true of the actor is very meta of like, yeah.

In the act. And especially after everything that the industry has gone through in terms of strikes and zag, AFTRA and the writers. Um, Guild striking last year and everything like that. It's, I, I hope, I hope this, this, um, series is kind of, I think we are seeing it pay its dues back to the union and, and get some actors through equity cards.

I just thought it was so funny. I was like, probably Oh, okay. It, I am kind of upset that they wasted an escape room, uh, idea on this. I would love, yeah. I feel like there is a, there is a space to have a whole episode centered around escape rooms and like, you know, something like, what if there was a murder And es escape.

An escape room. Yeah, exactly. You gotta figure out how, like, how and where the, the, we gotta figure out the escape room. Within the escape room. Like, yes. How, [00:36:00] how and where did this person get killed with what and this, this and that. So that, I think they, they kind of wasted the escape room idea on this list.

Like five minute, uh, moment, but maybe, maybe. Nikki comes back, ellizabeth is like, Hey, why don't we go hang out or go do a thing, and maybe they discover a murder at the thing themselves. You never know. You never know. It was weird because the guy that was the Yep, narrator, Uhhuh also ended up being on the gurney.

Uhhuh, unless, unless there are twins involved in this escape room. I thought that was a weird continuity error to be like, well, he was right there. How is he also on the gurney without them knowing, because they seemed to be surprised that the same guy was on the gurney. It was like, okay, I'll let it slide.

I'll let it go. But uh, yeah, like as you mentioned, Connor is finding little notes as Nikki explains, because people that, uh, you know, I guess failed at solving it or leaving notes for other people to try and help them solve it. And this gives Alsbeth her final eureka moment of the episode. You're be like, oh [00:37:00] yeah, people leaving notes for people left behind.

Hey, let's see. Let's see what we can see. So we get back to Craig's place. Ellsworth has brought him a fly swatter, which I was like, why again, are we doing these little, like, these little fun little moments? And she's like, can you open the doors so I can give you the fly Swatter? He opens the door and all the cops go storming in.

I was like, why didn't you just, because I assume you still have that warrant and you can still serve it. I, I don't know why. No, they don't. They don't have any, they don't have any evidence. They're going there to get the evidence, but why were they able to, why are they able to storm in? Because the door was opened for them.

It's like, she's like the cops, like vampires. Like if, if you, if you get the invitation to open the door, they can just come in. Um, I mean, I don't know. I know they have to have a warrant to search, but if they, can they be allowed in, you know what I mean? I dunno. I feel like if, I feel like if, uh, Craig would be like, uh, no, you can't.

Yeah. There wasn't really much of a fight. Regardless, all of these people are [00:38:00] like, all of these cops are in his living room basically. And, um. You know there, and I don't know if we needed that much force for this arrest, but Yeah. Oh wow. It was a lot. Like we literally had this whole team come in, just so elsewhere, can go back into the panic room and look at the bananas and be like, look, a message in the bananas.

Yeah. And the message was what it was, uh, DRAC 1, 2, 5 because Right. Uh, it had been previously talked about that Craig had bitten an intern. So the people at Meridian were ANDA's works, nicknamed him Drac, short for Dracula, and 1, 2, 5 asked to, to us by Nikki, who knows all the police codes. And Anders as a fixer for a.

Crisis management firm also knows police codes to skirt around them. Yeah. He wrote drac 1, 2, 5, into a banana. So that is, I guess all the evidence we need. We scraped off the like. Yeah. So that was [00:39:00] why. And then like the banana was able to go through its natural process of decay. Mm-hmm. But only in the scratch off section.

Yes. And that's why the flies were there. And then Badda, bing, badda, boom. We got an arrest. Yeah. But you know, I, I like how, you know, uh, Craig was like, well, that's not enough evidence, content. I was like, you're right. But there is a message in the, in, in the things. It was also kind of like, yeah. But you could also really kind of, probably a good lawyer could really get that explained away and Craig mentions as con was taking 'em away.

Like, I'm gonna hire a really good lawyer. Okay. Which to me might speak to my, like wishlist of things that we'll see. Do you think it's gonna be Kara's? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that'd be nice. Uh, we, we will see like a villain, a murderer get, you know, get away with their thing and they may come back mm-hmm. At some point and elsewhere, because like I've been saying, some of this evidence is like mighty weak.

Um, well there was also another moment in this episode that I thought you, you would call [00:40:00] out is when, um, like they're reviewing the case with Wagner. And like here comes, he's like, no proof. And she's like, oh. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh darn. You got, was that pesky proof? Geez, Louise. And they're, they are also really harping again on the consent decree thing.

I was like, they really keep mentioning again. Yeah, because it was mentioned. Like when Craig was like, they're planting evidence. Mm-hmm. Lieutenant Congress, like in front of a consent decree lawyer. Are you kidding me? And like, first of all, I mean, I didn't know what that was before this show. Yeah. That, and we kind of left it in season two.

We were just like, we're not gonna worry about the whole consent decree thing. We, we were calling her co uh, for a while. It's like, okay, we're, we're finally getting outta the consent decrea. But now we're like, talk about every episode. I'm like, I'm just wondering if it's gonna pay off later down the road where.

We've nailed into the heads of consent decree. Wow. So at some point, is that going to [00:41:00] be like something, something done with that? I could see it tying into the other storyline in this episode. Mm-hmm. Because we were introduced to, what's her name, Winnie? Yes. Judge Crawford's. What? Wife or widow and wife.

Well, let's, let's, let's back up a little bit and get into the alec of it all. Because as we, as we talked about last episode versus like, hello ELLs Smith. You are the only one that can save New York City. We don't know anything else about that. 'cause we weren't told in this episode what that's about. But Alec comes back around to Ellsworth.

It's like, Hey girl. Hey babe. What's up girl? I wanna invite you to a fundraiser. She's like, oh, she at first gives a little pushback. She's like, oh yeah, and not really like, I don't really love to be like seen with you and stuff. He's like, oh, like, she's like, did Marissa put you up to this? He's like, no, no, this is all me.

Come to the thing. And she's like, oh. Oh, okay. Alright, cool. I'll go with you to the thing where it seems like whatever [00:42:00] Marissa said, I think got Elle's both on board. 'cause here's my, here's my theory, here's my thing. Alec is a bad guy. He's. He's like posing himself as a good guy or as I'm trying to get the kids to say no, bu no what is, no, I mean, no bueno.

It's know, it's like, no bueno, but it's if you, I just hit it up. So like I said, it randomly out of nowhere and I was like, this, if we could infiltrate the youths with this, um, it's already been introduced to my sister's advisory class. Oh my gosh, they very astutely, very astutely, said. Um, it may be, it may sound bad.

In another language, which I was like very, very good awareness here. But, um, as my sister then pointed out, did you check on Skippity before you started saying Skippity? Um, but yes, it was, it like, that's my own side quest. I [00:43:00] no, I'm going to be using no way now very much in this, no, in this podcast. It's very no way.

But yeah, I, I think, I think he's a bad guy. I think Marissa has. Sniffed out that he's a bad guy and I think Marissa is enlisting Elizabeth to help her prove that Alec's a bad guy. That's just my theory right now based on Marissa's like panicked moment last episode with Elizabeth at the end. I just wish we had some more questioning from Elizabeth in this episode that would lead me to put all of that together.

Great job. I've trained you well in writing the show. Fantastic. Yes, very much. Um. But like I feel like there's nothing in this episode that tells me. Anything about what that conversation was like, because as you said, she does get invited by Alec to go to this party, and she agrees to go when there's no press, right?

Like she's like, okay, as long as there's no press, I'll go. But even while she's there, yes, she has her own situation, but she doesn't like ask Alec anything or we don't even get to see [00:44:00] where they go after they leave. And so I'm feeling like it would've been, it would've benefited from at least like a question.

From Ellizabeth or something that would kind of clue into us what the heck is going on on the outside of Elsbeth. Or a fire, a former fire chief being attracted to Elsbeth and Elsbeth also, you know, being into it. Yeah. I think they, they really also want to prolong this mystery. The, the writers and showrunners be like, yeah, well you, you guys now know something's going on, but you don't know exactly what we're gonna tease this out for a Yeah.

And we talked about it before the pod. We are on episode six of a 20. Episode season, so it's not like there isn't time. I just am worried that they are going to lose some interest in the in between if they don't pick up some of these storylines and take together. Well, we, yeah. I mean, we've got some threads that are just waving out there, I think.

I think we had this criticism last episode, last season as well, where they left some things out there hanging for a while. Yeah. And then also [00:45:00] in that last season, the follow up and the ending wasn't what we. We're hoping for. Um, so we've got the Kaya thing going on now. We've got this happening and now we've introduced this other element, which I was really surprised about.

I was shocked when we got to this fundraiser. And we find out this is a fundraiser for a law, a law library in Milton Crawford's name done by his widow who were meeting for the first time. And I was like, oh, like, oh my God. Like this. I was, I was shocked. I was like, oh my God, this is crazy and cool. I love that.

We had like, we had this Milton Crawford thing, haunting Ellsworth. 'cause when, when Ellsworth finds this out, she gets like these flashbacks to, because remember Ellsworth was there. When Milton got gunned down. Right. Which I'm sure is a very like triggering stressful thing for her to like remember these moments and I was surprised we got Milton Crawford back into the narrative and back into the story.

Surprised we got his widow who we never met before. This [00:46:00] is the first time we're meeting is his wife who as El is very like nervous to see like, 'cause she was pivotal in trying to take down Milton Crawford. So obviously she's pretty like. Stressed about this being about Winnie, seeing her, Winnie, knowing who she is, because Winnie does see her.

It's like Ellsworth Tassone me, and you need to talk. I mean, she doesn't just see her. She like comes straight up to her. Mm-hmm. So, you know, I think this and, and um, as we find out throughout the rest of the episode, you know, Winnie knew. Winnie is going about this thing like, Hey, Elsbeth, tell me everything you know about my husband.

And trying to like, uh, like relieve elsbeth of the guilt that she's been carrying around about this. At the same time as put on this, like I knew nothing about. Mm-hmm. My husband, I knew nothing. Like Ellizabeth has one meeting with her and she's like, you did nothing wrong. I, how, and I was severely surprised, right?

Like, she's like, I can't believe you're not defending this man. He remarried to him. I was really kind of expecting this [00:47:00] and Whitney is like, well. How could I, after everything you've told me and so, but we find out later that she is the one that has the missing fanny pack. That was the thing that was going to solve the case against.

Mil Crawford in the last season. And so here's where I think the consent decree may fall into place. Who, how did that evidence, because last time we saw that evidence, it was in a box in someone's house. I remember it being like in the kitchen and they were talking about it. Remember it was like folded in.

I do not remember a i I honestly was like, I totally forgot. About what this fanny pack was, where it came from, why it has blood on it. Uh, if I had time, I would've gone back and watched that episode to like, yeah, get my knowledge back fully. But I didn't have time before recording this podcast. I was like, I don't remember exactly where this fanny pack came from.

Yeah. But it was there [00:48:00] and it had gone missing. And so I wonder if that is where like a consent decree action can come into play. Because how did it leave evidence? Is there, is there a cop on the beat somewhere that's like. Like how did Winnie get this? Was it something that Milton took, which was Alba's original hypothesis?

Or was Milton assisted or did Winnie offer or get this? Like this is where I can kind of see some sort of criticism around police procedure being explored and that's what a consent degree lawyer is there for. Yeah, and I think, I think we can go, we can look at this as a number of different ways where like, because listen, if y'all listen to this podcast for a while, y'all know me.

I'm suspicious of everybody. So as, as soon as Winnie came on the scene, I was like, hmm. As soon as she was acting all like, oh my gosh, my husband's a bad man. Yeah. Oh no. I'd be like, nah, nah. I was like, you know, something like this is, this is, this is not all this wrapped up to be like this. You, you're not this sweet, innocent widow that we're supposed to [00:49:00] think you are.

'cause she was laying it on very thick and I was like, okay, like this. Did you think she was a bad guy? What'd you think of Whitney when you even, not even first saw her, but when she's doing the whole like, oh my gosh, my husband's a bad man. I was like, how did you not know? Like first of all, you're not gonna be her friend.

And second of all, interesting. Like I just was like, huh? Mm-hmm. Interesting. I am reserving judgment. However, something is fishy. Something's amiss. Yeah. Uh, and of course, and also with the whole like, oh, we should be friends Elsbeth. It was like, uh, that's weird. Yeah. Uh, 'cause listen over on the, over on the Good Wife, uh, coverage we're doing over on the other side of this podcast.

We know about people pretend to be your friend and having ulterior motives that you Maddie multiple times. Yeah. Um, and yeah. And so we, at the very end, like you said, we get this moment where Winnie is getting the fanny pack and it's in this whole evidence bag and everything. So the question is. [00:50:00] What, like as, where did this come from?

Is it my, like I'm wondering if like, Winnie found the bag going through Milton's stuff before and was like, what is this? Why is this here? What is this doing here? And now she's gotten the scoop. Mel's Beth. And even like, this could be innocent. It could be, it could be not that innocent where she says, she finds out that from Ellsworth, like there's this thing missing that had his blood on it that could have proven he did this.

And so. Is Winnie just trying to keep Milton's name pure and clean by getting rid of this evidence that she found previous and now she knows where this evidence is. 'cause she was told by Ellsworth. It's like, oh, that explains that fanny pack I found a while ago with the, in that evidence bag. So now she's like, let me get rid of this.

Just to, yes, my husband did a bad thing, but I want to keep his name pure. Or is Winnie as bad and crooked as her husband is? I was [00:51:00] just gonna say like that's a very generous read for someone who's suspicious of everyone, because I'm like, this can't come out because if, if Milton's like legacy is tarnished, she won't be able to use his name to.

Get money and whether or not it's for another freaking law library, I don't know, but maybe she's going to be gaining money or getting all of this money and like wandering it or doing something not great with it. Yeah. And so, um, you know, it is in her interest to get rid of it for that reason as well.

She was a little emotional when she was throwing it out, so I don't know what that was about. Like she was like, oh, very like. Almost crying. Um, so, I mean, who knows? I, I don't wanna say, we'll find out next episode because we won't, but, um, yeah, I mean, but could, could Whitney and Milton have been like a murderous, murdering, murdering duo?

Maybe Like, that feels like a plot line from like a Dexter season or something. Oh, yeah. Uh, could they have been in it together? And she's just [00:52:00] as murderous as her husband and she's going to continue her husband's murderous legacy. Well, we'll also have to keep our eyes open and ears open for any other evidence that might be missing in cases going forward.

And then I think like, I don't know, maybe she has like evidence embezzling ring. I don't know. What if, oh my gosh, what if one of our detectives or cops is right? Who, who of our rotating cast of cops and detectives would you put first in your suspect list of who could be helping? Uh, Winnie Crawford.

Well, I don't remember everyone's name, Jason. So that's really, we got, we got Detective third watch. Who was Detective Connelly, not Detective. Third watch. Yeah. Yeah. Con, no, it's not Detective Connelley. So it's not Conley. We got S Mullen. We You think of S Mullen. I mean, I could see it being done in retaliation to how he was treated that one time when it was, wasn't there like a time where Smolen was being hazed or something like that?

I don't know. [00:53:00] I dunno. Uh, we have Buzz Detective, uh, buzz. I could see it being an accident from him. Oh no, I just let, like it's five o'clock. I just live my patch here. Oh. Uh, it's also all about either money or sex for buzz. Right? Exactly. Exactly. You could be doing it for money. Uh, we've also got Detective Edwards, our tech savvy, well, we haven't seen her in a while.

I think she was, she was name checked in this episodes, like we have Detective Edwards that could do it. And wagon's like, no, we already have to, we go have case loads. What if it's rippers? Rivers. Rivers is another person, but I think Rivers being given the like, good guy. Ooh, what if it was Rivers? And he's with Julia now.

Yes, exactly. And like there's a whole thing for Wagner and also, yes. Or it was done before he turned good. And then he's going to have to explain, oh, like it was during the bad era of rivers on the other side of the river, if you will. And now on this side of the river, he's like a changed man. But he also conveniently [00:54:00] forgot that he was involved in this evidence thing.

Mm-hmm. Yep. And then on the cop side, we've got Grace. No, no. Give me grace. We've got a detective. We got cop left. My, uh, let my gun get taken. I forgot what his name was. Oh yeah, maybe, maybe him, but like, I don't know what he would, if he could live with himself because his grandparent, his grandfather, and his father and his.

Fathers Father, father. Father. Listen, he, maybe he's just continuing the legacy of bad cops. Could be. Could be. Uh, what if it was Nick? Wouldn't that be, it was not. Wouldn't that be quite a turn? It was not Nicky, the cop that we all love, they're actually crooked. What if it was SpongeBob Sponge? Ooh, SpongeBob.

Ooh. Yeah. That was my favorite one. I forgot about Stitch Stack and SpongeBob. Oh, it's Cop SpongeBob. Sorry. Officer SpongeBob. I wonder also if this. Is gonna tie into anything that Kaya's doing. If Kaia is gonna be like, like she is not the person who leaked the evidence or whatever. 'cause she was on that case and she did all this stuff, it's not her.

Right? [00:55:00] Um, but what if there's, what if she gets brought in to investigate whatever sinister thing that Winnie is doing with the money? Well listen. And then the pa, the paths will cross and they could work on a keys together in their respective places. That is if Kaya is still alive. Okay. We, we still don't know what's going on with Kaya.

We have, everyone's just like, oh, I guess she's okay. And just left at that. Um, when I, I still think she's tied into a chair somewhere. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Um, maybe she's in a bunker somewhere. Yes. We, we have totally written this, uh, crooked. Cop detective storyline into the, the, the show where it probably is not gonna happen, but it was fun to theorize anyway.

Um, it's, you know, some people do fan fiction. Yeah. We do fan podcasting. Yeah. Yeah. I also also. When, when Ellsworth was talking to Alec about Crawford, she was like, yeah, he killed a lot of innocent people. This, the Alec had like, no reaction. Was that it? Was that the sign, was that the thing we're supposed to take away?[00:56:00]

Yeah. No reaction to it. He is like, okay, well if you don't want to stay here, we can leave. Not like, oh my god. Judge Crawford was a, was a murderer. Like, what are you talking about, Elizabeth? He's just like, that's true. Okay. Maybe that was it. Wanna leave and leave. Okay. You're, you took that news very calmly, like weirdo.

Um, but yeah. Did we miss anything? We got anything else to talk about Marissa, or do you think we we got it all? I think we covered it as well as we could. I mean, I can't really make any predictions. Because who knows which directions we're going. But yeah, overall, another one in the books, another one in the books.

There's a lot of, uh, a lot of threads out there hanging and dangling. Maybe we will, maybe we'll get some more info on one of those storylines. Next episode. Maybe we won't. I look into the future. Look into the future. We're going to a nunnery next episode and dealing and messing with some nuns, so we'll, we'll see what we have in store there.

Okay. Nuns are pretty fun. I'm pretty excited. You ever seen a sister act? Yeah. Sister act too. Multiple times. Yes. The best of the sister [00:57:00] acts. Yes. Joyful. Joyful.

Lauren Hill. Lau Hill Man. You really messed up your career by being a weirdo. 'cause you were, she was. She was the bomb. That she had a moment. She was. She was. She was, everything after we get done with this is everything, but she was also everything. There you go. After we get done podcasting, I wanna, I'm gonna watch that, that concert scene at the end, because that, that really, that really does that for me.

That's one of those, that's one of those things that you watch when you're up, when you're like depressed. Like you a little, little, pick me up, sister Act two. A concert, final thing. Yeah, footage. People. If you haven't watched it in a while, go watch it. Make yourself happy for today. But do that until our next episode.

Until then, stay good. I.

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