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From the subtleties of typography to the emotional impact of color, and the way everyday objects influence our lives, our guests share their unique perspectives on the power of design. Through candid interviews, we’ll get a closer look at the challenges they’ve faced, the breakthroughs they’ve had, and how design is not just about aesthetics, but about problem-solving, communication, and making an impact.
Join host Rae, as Type Speaks aims to inspire, inform, and showcase the voices behind the visuals.
This podcast is supported by WEGL 91.1 FM, Auburn University’s radio station. weglfm.com
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Welcome into Type Speaks.
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The show where I dive into the stories, struggles, and sparks of inspiration behind great design.
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I'm your host, Ray, and I'm gonna be pulling back the curtain on the creative process.
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But not just the work itself, but the people who make it happen.
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Each episode, I sit down with a different creative mind to uncover how they think and everything in between.
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So if you're curious about the why behind design and the stories of the people shaping our world one idea at a time, you're in the right
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place.
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Hello.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome into the sixteenth episode of Types.
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I am joined with the wonderful Diane Gibbs, who is a designer, educative, and creative entrepreneur with over twenty year twenty years of experience.
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You are now based in Mobile, Alabama.
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You teach graphic design at the University of South Alabama, and you host a show called Design Recharge for creative professionals.
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You also have founded your own design firm, and you coach, entrepreneurs around the world.
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Does that all sound good?
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That sounds good.
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It's I pivoted in 2020 to call it instead of just Design Recharge, creatives ignite.
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Creatives ignite.
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Can tell you about that.
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But it's you can still get through it.
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I still have the URL of designrecharge.org.
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But not bad.
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I can't believe
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it.
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Points.
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Can't believe I've outdated information.
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No worries.
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But yeah.
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So I got your name from a list that my professor, Robert Finkel, sent sent us.
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So I just wanted to let you know that because some people are like, wow, Robert.
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Some people are just like, okay.
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No.
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I will definitely reach out.
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I'll tell them thanks.
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I appreciate it.
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I'm excited to, talk to a Auburn grad.
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So I or, you're about to be grad student.
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So an Auburn grad.
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We're hoping.
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Yeah.
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Gotten this far.
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Also, I always start kind of the episodes by talking about, whoever I'm interviewing is, like, what drew you in to design as a career, like, at the beginning?
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Like, what what got you started?
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And that can be as early as when you were a kid or as not early as when you're not a kid.
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So I well, I think it was when I was a kid, but I didn't know what it was called.
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And so I went to Auburn thinking so I a Georgia fan.
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My parents both went to Georgia.
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I know.
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So you see I was a black sheep going to Auburn, and I was the only person.
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My mom's one of 11.
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Everybody went to Georgia.
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And I grew up in Atlanta, and I was like, I don't wanna go to high school.
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I don't wanna go to my high school again.
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I, you know, everybody went to Georgia.
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There were some people who went to Auburn, but not as many.
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And so I was gonna do landscape architecture because I loved I like plants.
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I love being outside, and my parents thought that would probably be good.
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And but then when I figured out what graphic design was, which was you know, I was in the art.
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I think I had to take some just regular art cloud with landscape architecture, and I didn't I changed my major before the second week of class, and it was I when I realized what that was, I just didn't know it was what it was called.
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When I was a kid, I would, when we'd go to rest stops, I'd take all the brochures, and I would look at them.
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And I loved advertisements, and I, me and my sister would when she was taking a bath, even when we were really little, she would, sit.
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She'd be in the bath, and I'd get, like, some products from the the linen closet.
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And I'd be like, and you can have this soap too.
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I would be we do our own commercials.
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So when it was my turn to take a bath, we'd do we'd switch.
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She'd be the commercial person.
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And so we just read the thing off the box or whatever it was.
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And but I realized that I really liked that.
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There was you could be humorous.
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You could use photography.
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You didn't have to draw.
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Now I love to draw, and I think only had the courage to do that when I was at Auburn.
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I could've, done some or adjusted, pivoted, but I love how my life is and what all I've learned and what I've been able to do.
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But but I think it was I mean, I was always doing stuff with I was in the yearbook at in high school.
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I just didn't know it was called graphic design.
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Mhmm.
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So Yeah.
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I did it, and I love it.
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And I've I think I'm pretty rare as there maybe there are lots of people like me, but I found what I wanted to do early, and I never it's all I've done.
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I've just been a graphic designer.
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I I hate to say typical design story, but a lot of people do, like, start really young, and they don't know what to call it.
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What's your story?
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My story?
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Can I ask you that?
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No one's no one's ever asked me a question before.
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Oh.
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Well, I wanna know.
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Let's give them a little let's quit the tables.
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We'll ask you what's your story?
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What why graphic design for you?
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So I've always been a very big artist.
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I was online very young, and I was doing fan art and drawing all of that.
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And then in high school, we had a graphic design class.
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And I started to take I took it originally because I could, like, draw on my iPad and, like, do fan art for class.
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That was why I decided to do it.
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It was taught it's still taught by, professor Clay Co not professor.
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Oh my goodness.
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Mister.
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Because I don't call him professor.
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He's my high school teacher.
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Clay Cox, who who is an Auburn grad Auburn graphic design grad.
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And he was talking about the program, and he's like, I think you would you're from graphic design, like, as a designer because I was moving from doing the art stuff to, like, doing posters for our sports teams because people were asking me to do it.
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I learned about Photoshop.
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And I kinda fell in love with design as design.
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So that was kind of my shift was this with this this, like, three, semester or whatever we called them, class that I was able to take and just mess around.
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It was really fun for me.
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So that's why I was like, oh, I could do graphic design as, like, a job.
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You know?
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Because I never thought of art as a career until that.
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Really?
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Mhmm.
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So nobody in your family was in art?
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My
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okay.
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My my granddad painted, but that was his, like, hobby.
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Okay.
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Like, he was a dentist.
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Like, everyone my mom's a a vet.
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My grandmother's a nurse.
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Like, everyone in my family kind of had, I say, STEM adjacent jobs.
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My brother's in, he did, like, cybersecurity or he still does it.
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But, like, that's what around me, I was kind of art was more like a hobby or a passion of mine that I would have to do like, for a while, I wanted to go into, like, forensics because I was like, I guess it's the most interesting one.
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And then I was like, oh, but design I could do another thing as the graphic design, and that's what really drew me into considering that full time.
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Yeah.
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Because then it was like, oh my gosh.
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I can do what I like.
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Yeah.
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And it I get paid for what I like to do, and it never feels like it never feels like a job.
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So that's awesome.
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Yeah.
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Did you so when you started, you were doing illustration, and you were doing then you started doing photos and Photoshop.
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But how about typography?
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So how did you do you have a love of type now?
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Or I do.
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I it's funny.
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I'm in a I'm in a directed study about type right now.
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I was I'm gonna be honest.
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I did not love it until last year.
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Oh, what was it?
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What was it that turned up for you?
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I was very image heavy for my end.
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I mean, obviously, I started I was drawing.
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I was using Photoshop.
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And even in my first type class, I was like, I don't know if I like this.
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I don't know if I like layout design.
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But something, like, shifted in my brain where and, like, type and typography felt like a different thing until I realized, like, a treat image and type the same way and have fun with it, and that's when I started really enjoying it.
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I started, like, look like, actually seeing different type designers and designers that typically use typography a lot in their work.
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And I began to really fall in love with having fun with it and kind of
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not and not not have
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it be boring.
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You know?
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So in my in my head, I'm not saying, like, general typography and stuff is boring.
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It just wasn't
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But it just didn't do it for you.
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Clicking for me.
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But then when I realized I could make a type and and and have it almost be like you could do it, like, unreadable, but you could have it I like I love going into all of that and kind of just messing with it.
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And that's that's what my director study is about is, like, learning all about it, and it's been really fun now.
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And now I love type, and that's I would say that's one of my things that I try to I try to use heavily in my work, type as image.
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That's cool.
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So who do you have who are you doing that independent study with?
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Samantha Herbert, professor.
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Okay.
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So yeah.
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Cool.
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She was she's actually my type one professor, and I funny that I was like, oh, whatever in that class, but now I'm like, I love type.
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But I think you had to get to a point where you because it's the first class is kinda the rules.
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Mhmm.
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And we're just trying to get you to do things correctly.
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You know?
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And then it's about pushing and abstracting, and so it is really fun.
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Have you ever made your own typeface?
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That's what my directed study is about, is learning the glyphs program, which is the Uh-huh.
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One of the primary tools for type designers.
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I'm not making my own typeface, like, fully in a semester.
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I am doing, like, wording into creating my own kind of glyphs for my project.
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So that if you're listening and it's still November, that that should be done soon, so I should have it posted somewhere.
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Maybe in, like, a month.
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I don't know.
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That's great.
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I can't wait to see it.
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But that's a not a skill that everybody has for sure.
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I just I like I like breaking I learned I like breaking the rules, more than I love learning them, but I will learn them to break them.
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If I know my breaking the rules, I will learn the rules.
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Professor Heck, who maybe you had professor Heck?
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I didn't.
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He's professor Emeritus right now.
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And
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Yes.
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Some people have had him.
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I did not have him, unfortunately.
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So his daughter is a rule breaker also, and she, worked for Microsoft and got them to adjust.
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They she was like, you can't use all these typefaces.
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You can't use the same type.
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We need some hierarchy.
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So she helped them develop that brand package for Microsoft.
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And super cool, she's a Auburn grad.
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Mhmm.
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There's a lot more Auburn grads I'm finding every every time.
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We just had our recent, signature the eightieth.
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Yeah.
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And all these people that worked on some huge projects, and I was like, woah.
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Auburn was there.
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That is.
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It was really cool.
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I saw some pictures.
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Yeah.
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I saw your name on the on the pamphlet.
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Yeah.
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I had a poster in there.
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So that it was cool.
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I it was something I had done the beginning or the end of last year.
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I have a I make websites for people, and this was a photographer that, is in The UK.
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So I submitted that website, and I it had won some awards.
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So I thought, well, maybe that'll be a good one.
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Yeah.
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It was good.
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I liked it.
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I like I mean, I like all the work they showcased for alumni.
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I don't think that there was any that I was, like, not into.
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Yeah.
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Well, it it was yeah.
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Maybe so.
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Hopefully, we all would put something fairly good in.
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But it it it's really cool.
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Eighty years is a long time.
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I haven't been around that long, but, but that's a long time for a graphic design at Auburn.
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Long, very long time.
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But so you mentioned earlier.
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I know you asked me a question, but I'm back to asking you questions now.
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We can go back and forth back and forth.
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Anyway, keep going.
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But you're talking earlier, and I'm noticing, like, on your websites, you've kind of shifted into doing a lot more illustration yourself and, like, kind of having fun with drawing.
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And I kinda wanted to ask you what when did that shift happen?
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So I started my podcast in 2000 Mhmm.
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And I did it, and I knew that I needed to keep growing.
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And I I would have people that were letterers or all kinds of people designers from all over, and I it was awesome.
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But I kept having I always wanted to draw, and I wanted to but, you know, my drawings didn't necessarily look like anybody else's, and and I thought maybe that was bad.
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You know?
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I'm like, I'm doing it wrong.
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Mhmm.
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So but in 2018 so I started South.
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That's what we call it.
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University of South Alabama.
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We just call it south.
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I started in 2003.
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And so from 2003 to 2018, I'd we your professors, I I know because they've some of them were mine or they were before whatever, before they retired or professor Meredith's or whatever.
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They, every seven years, you can apply for a special project.
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And we call it a sabbatical, and you don't, have to teach, and you don't have to do committee work or advising or anything like that during that time.
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But I had gone fourteen years, and I didn't ever have a sabbatical.
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We didn't have we we couldn't, like, we couldn't, none of us could in graphic design could take off because we needed it.
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So then we restructured our program, and I had to be chair for a year.
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And after that, then the January 2018, my sabbatical was just on illustration.
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So I was like, I'm gonna dive in.
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I'm gonna take some losses, and I'm gonna see what I can do.
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And because I was drawing, I draw at church.
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I don't always draw what the lesson is or what we're talking about.
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I'm drawing robots,
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and
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they're talking about Jesus, but I'm I I'm getting it.
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I'm still listening.
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But so I was just drawing, and I was coming up with characters, or it was just a way for me to get something out.
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And so then so I've been filling up sketchbooks for quite a while, probably since maybe 2013.
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Mhmm.
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I was doing it more on a daily basis.
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And then in 2018, I had more confidence, and then I started doing more illustrations.
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And then I just keep revising this.
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And so then, I now in January, I get to take my second sabbatical.
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It's another kind of I kinda pivoted from I'd still do a lot of web design, but I was also interested in surface pattern design or, textile design.
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And so it's more illustrative, but it's also with patterns.
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And it doesn't necessarily have to be, on fabric.
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It could be on lots of things Yeah.
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And any kind of surface.
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It could be a a notebook.
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It could be, a water bottle or, you know, it could be whatever.
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So but then I I started using the patterns for my clients, on their websites, and then I also then I was starting to do a different style of illustration.
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Well, I taught a class, a conceptual design or conceptual conceptual drawing.
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I've only been able to teach that one time, but it was so much fun.
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And this one girl was not very good, and she was in the so she had taken conceptual one, conceptual two, and she was in the third one.
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And at that point, you would think that at that level, they would have more, I don't know, of a style, and they would have but her stuff, to be honest, it wasn't very good, and I didn't think that she was at the level she needed to be.
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And so I said, have you ever drawn with scissors?
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And she's like, what?
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Mhmm.
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And I'm like, I want you to try something because this really helps me.
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Like, I draw on paper, but I when I one of my early illustrations was for a client Christmas card
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Mhmm.
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And I kept trying to paint it, and I couldn't get it.
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I kept having to start over.
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Mhmm.
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And I was super frustrated, and I was like, you know what?
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I'm just gonna freaking cut this thing out, and I'm gonna paste it on, and then it'll just be kind of three-dimensional.
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I'll have shadow.
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And that was it for me.
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Like, I started, oh, I don't have to worry so much about being perfect.
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I can cover things over instead of it.
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And so once I showed her that, this was like a tool for her.
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It and it was so I've been making things like that, and I did a seventy five day challenge, two years ago.
00:16:49 [Speaker 3]
And I was, like, in this challenge, I am going to hone in on this process, and I'm gonna figure out what works and what doesn't.
00:16:57 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:16:57 [Speaker 3]
And I was doing all these long necked birds.
00:17:00 [Speaker 3]
I went rogue a little bit.
00:17:01 [Speaker 3]
I did not always but I did a lot of geese.
00:17:04 [Speaker 3]
And I'll send you I'll if you send me your address, I'll send you some, your some stickers, a pie pile of stickers because I love stickers.
00:17:13 [Speaker 3]
I love birds,
00:17:14 [Speaker 2]
so that was that was exciting for me.
00:17:16 [Speaker 3]
Well, I should have had them, but I don't think I have them out.
00:17:20 [Speaker 3]
So but, anyway, so I came up with this process.
00:17:24 [Speaker 3]
And for me, it's a process.
00:17:25 [Speaker 3]
I'm still revising, like, scenes.
00:17:28 [Speaker 3]
I still don't have that part, but, but hopefully at this.
00:17:32 [Speaker 3]
So I started doing more service pattern design, and as a result, then I've done some other things.
00:17:39 [Speaker 3]
Anyway, I don't remember what you Mhmm.
00:17:41 [Speaker 3]
Sorry.
00:17:43 [Speaker 2]
Ask about illustration.
00:17:44 [Speaker 2]
But that was a good answer, though.
00:17:46 [Speaker 2]
I mean, it always it always happens.
00:17:48 [Speaker 2]
We we all all the creatives I talk to, even me, just like to we just keep talking about it.
00:17:55 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:17:55 [Speaker 3]
My ADHD medicine has, worn off by this point because it is a, I have to take one in the morning and then one at lunch, then it's worn off by now.
00:18:05 [Speaker 2]
It's okay.
00:18:05 [Speaker 2]
I don't take any.
00:18:06 [Speaker 2]
So
00:18:07 [Speaker 3]
I didn't until I was 42.
00:18:09 [Speaker 3]
I got diagnosed with ADHD because my my this, lady who diagnosed me, she was a client, and she said, Diane, can I ask you a question?
00:18:19 [Speaker 3]
I said, sure.
00:18:20 [Speaker 3]
She goes, I have a feeling that you might have ADHD, a strong feeling.
00:18:27 [Speaker 2]
Mhmm.
00:18:28 [Speaker 3]
I said, oh, okay.
00:18:29 [Speaker 3]
She goes, would you, you know, would you wanna have a session with me and do and I was like, sure.
00:18:36 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:18:37 [Speaker 2]
Why not?
00:18:37 [Speaker 3]
She's and and I was like, oh my gosh.
00:18:39 [Speaker 3]
I probably don't have it.
00:18:40 [Speaker 3]
And then, anyway but I do.
00:18:43 [Speaker 3]
Summit, little bit of hyperactivity.
00:18:46 [Speaker 2]
I
00:18:47 [Speaker 3]
have a lot of energy and Yeah.
00:18:49 [Speaker 3]
Anyway and I have ADHD.
00:18:51 [Speaker 2]
It's great it's a great one.
00:18:52 [Speaker 2]
It's great as a fellow ADHDer for creativity.
00:18:56 [Speaker 2]
It's it's Oh,
00:18:57 [Speaker 3]
it's superpower for sure.
00:18:59 [Speaker 2]
It's my it's my superpower and my Kryptonite all bundled up into one lovely package.
00:19:06 [Speaker 2]
But
00:19:06 [Speaker 3]
Well, it go ahead.
00:19:08 [Speaker 2]
Oh, sorry.
00:19:09 [Speaker 2]
I wanted to talk about, I'd I'd like, I guess I knew what surface design was.
00:19:14 [Speaker 2]
Like, inherent like, that's a thing that you someone has to make the patterns on the things I buy.
00:19:20 [Speaker 2]
You know?
00:19:20 [Speaker 2]
But I had never thought about, like, someone makes them and sells them to license.
00:19:25 [Speaker 2]
So, like, how I just kinda wanna ask about that.
00:19:28 [Speaker 2]
And, like, how did you come across that, and what is that process like of licensing?
00:19:34 [Speaker 3]
So somebody that I was following on Skillshare Mhmm.
00:19:38 [Speaker 3]
I, I had her on my show, and she had gone to a it was her first surface pattern design.
00:19:46 [Speaker 3]
I'd had her on something else.
00:19:47 [Speaker 3]
And then I it was like, I gotta have you back after you go to Certex.
00:19:51 [Speaker 3]
And this was like a a surface pattern design.
00:19:54 [Speaker 3]
They have one in, Vegas in January, I think, and then they have, like, a quilting one, and then they have another maybe the one in Vegas is in, in October maybe or maybe September.
00:20:08 [Speaker 3]
Whatever.
00:20:09 [Speaker 3]
It's in the fall sometime, but it's really expensive to do.
00:20:12 [Speaker 3]
So the one at Certex is a little bit less expensive.
00:20:16 [Speaker 3]
There are small little booths you can purchase for being a first time, and her name's Amaryllis Henderson, and she, she was somebody who I'd followed.
00:20:26 [Speaker 3]
And then I asked her about same care asking me, and she has, it's not just surface pattern.
00:20:34 [Speaker 3]
Like, there's always a pattern, but, she has cards at, oh, golly.
00:20:41 [Speaker 3]
What's that place that, Trader Joe's.
00:20:46 [Speaker 3]
Trader Joe's.
00:20:47 [Speaker 3]
She's got cards, and and it's not a pattern.
00:20:49 [Speaker 3]
It's just a card.
00:20:50 [Speaker 3]
You know?
00:20:51 [Speaker 3]
It's like a whimsical, funny card or whatever.
00:20:54 [Speaker 3]
And she has has a lot of licensing with them, but she also works with Moda prints, m o d a.
00:21:00 [Speaker 3]
She's one of this, and they, you know, find she does tons of patterns and that are surface patterns on fabric.
00:21:07 [Speaker 3]
And then she did, recently did her first quilt pattern.
00:21:11 [Speaker 3]
So it's, very different to do a quilt pattern.
00:21:15 [Speaker 3]
But she's who told me about it, and then, you know, I had it'd been interested.
00:21:20 [Speaker 3]
I had had people on my show that were more illustrative because I'm trying to learn more about it.
00:21:25 [Speaker 3]
Right?
00:21:25 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:21:26 [Speaker 3]
And then people who had gotten, agents or people who had done it on their own.
00:21:31 [Speaker 3]
And so it's one of the people she's like, I didn't do an agent.
00:21:34 [Speaker 3]
Just me and my husband went up there, and we were gonna do this.
00:21:37 [Speaker 3]
So she made all these books and then not to give away, but for people to go through.
00:21:42 [Speaker 3]
And then she had printed some things.
00:21:44 [Speaker 3]
But, I mean, Spoonflower, I'm not sure if you've ever heard of that, but it is an online printer.
00:21:51 [Speaker 3]
There's also carriage house prints.
00:21:53 [Speaker 3]
You can you can make a pattern, and then you could print it.
00:21:58 [Speaker 3]
And then you can make a dress or a shirt or a table or a shower curtain, or you could cover there's interior design fabric, like, for, like, for a sofa or something.
00:22:14 [Speaker 3]
Right?
00:22:15 [Speaker 3]
And it's they just have different weights, but it can all be the same kinda thing.
00:22:19 [Speaker 3]
But it's also one of the things I've found is that in this, there's licensing is just one avenue.
00:22:27 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:22:28 [Speaker 3]
I think probably for me, the better avenue I definitely wanna have some licensing, partners, but it's creating products that people would buy, and they would either I would sell them direct, which is also not the best Mhmm.
00:22:43 [Speaker 3]
Idea just for scalability or growth.
00:22:46 [Speaker 3]
You want to like, direct to consumer.
00:22:49 [Speaker 3]
You wanna do b to b, business to business.
00:22:51 [Speaker 3]
You wanna, be selling to a wholesale.
00:22:54 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:22:54 [Speaker 3]
You have a product, and then you're selling those.
00:22:56 [Speaker 3]
I don't know what all you get taught at Auburn for that stuff.
00:23:01 [Speaker 3]
So
00:23:02 [Speaker 2]
No.
00:23:02 [Speaker 2]
Only a little bit about we mostly just go into designers.
00:23:06 [Speaker 2]
Like, design.
00:23:07 [Speaker 2]
You know, I think I think they I think we'll just learn those things when we get into the field, I assume.
00:23:13 [Speaker 2]
Hopefully.
00:23:14 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:23:15 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:23:15 [Speaker 3]
So I I I incorporate a good bit of business stuff just because I, that was something that it I mean, I read a lot a lot of business books.
00:23:25 [Speaker 3]
I mean, I have my own business, but there's anyway, that's something that I feel pretty struck because I was like, I didn't know what questions to ask or what to do.
00:23:36 [Speaker 3]
And, anyway, first pattern is really cool.
00:23:39 [Speaker 3]
But did you know that, like, my one of my favorite things I'm gonna show you one if I can get it out from under this pile of stuff over here.
00:23:47 [Speaker 3]
One, I know nobody else can see it, but it's a this is inside of an envelope.
00:23:52 [Speaker 3]
Oh.
00:23:52 [Speaker 3]
This is my favorite one.
00:23:53 [Speaker 2]
Inside of envelopes.
00:23:55 [Speaker 2]
That's cool.
00:23:55 [Speaker 3]
Inside of envelopes.
00:23:56 [Speaker 3]
So this is a this is like the Discover bill.
00:24:00 [Speaker 2]
I guess I
00:24:00 [Speaker 3]
And this is forgot.
00:24:02 [Speaker 3]
Never seen.
00:24:03 [Speaker 3]
Right?
00:24:04 [Speaker 3]
What?
00:24:04 [Speaker 3]
So I made a children's book that's all uses the inside envelope.
00:24:09 [Speaker 3]
TNT envelope is the best one because it was bigger.
00:24:13 [Speaker 3]
It the AT and T envelope is blue.
00:24:17 [Speaker 3]
And, anyway, it's called Victor in the room.
00:24:19 [Speaker 3]
And my the girl who I worked with, she in Denver, she's a writer.
00:24:24 [Speaker 3]
She wrote the book, and then I introduced her to her husband.
00:24:29 [Speaker 3]
And her husband's an Auburn grad.
00:24:30 [Speaker 3]
He was an engineering major or computer science or something.
00:24:34 [Speaker 3]
It was something, you know, that that they didn't take any art classes.
00:24:38 [Speaker 3]
But, but so then I they're married, but she asked me in 2019, maybe it was the 2018.
00:24:47 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:24:48 [Speaker 3]
She asked me to illustrate that, and so I started illustrating it, in 2019, I think, and I did it in six months.
00:24:59 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:24:59 [Speaker 3]
And it's cut paper.
00:25:00 [Speaker 3]
And then I used I have a friend who owns RetroSupplyCo.
00:25:04 [Speaker 3]
His name's, Destin Li, and he has awesome brushes that are really cool for your iPad and for photo illustrator or whatever.
00:25:14 [Speaker 3]
And so I used those to do the black outlines, and then I cut everything out.
00:25:18 [Speaker 3]
And and I it Victor and the Vroom, there's a Auburn.
00:25:22 [Speaker 3]
I did a Google shot.
00:25:26 [Speaker 3]
I'll send you a picture.
00:25:27 [Speaker 3]
But, it's it's the downtown kinda, like, looking Yeah.
00:25:31 [Speaker 3]
To Tumors Corner.
00:25:32 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:25:33 [Speaker 3]
Like, looking at tumors.
00:25:35 [Speaker 3]
So, like, J And M, you could kinda see, and then there was a bank on the corner when I was there.
00:25:40 [Speaker 3]
But it's that corner because that was where we used to be.
00:25:43 [Speaker 3]
The art Building was big and whole.
00:25:45 [Speaker 3]
That's where Still is.
00:25:46 [Speaker 3]
The design it is.
00:25:48 [Speaker 3]
The designers aren't there.
00:25:49 [Speaker 3]
But But the designers aren't there anymore.
00:25:51 [Speaker 3]
Right?
00:25:51 [Speaker 1]
Mm-mm.
00:25:51 [Speaker 1]
We're
00:25:52 [Speaker 3]
So, anyways yeah.
00:25:54 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:25:54 [Speaker 3]
You're right?
00:25:55 [Speaker 3]
In your architecture?
00:25:57 [Speaker 2]
Mhmm.
00:25:58 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:25:59 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:25:59 [Speaker 2]
We're far away from the art people even though we have classes.
00:26:02 [Speaker 2]
I have classes over there that I have to walk to.
00:26:05 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:26:06 [Speaker 3]
Get some exercise.
00:26:07 [Speaker 2]
Definitely.
00:26:08 [Speaker 2]
I'd love it.
00:26:09 [Speaker 2]
It's great.
00:26:10 [Speaker 2]
Don't dread it every day.
00:26:12 [Speaker 3]
Definitely not.
00:26:13 [Speaker 3]
Do you live near campus?
00:26:15 [Speaker 2]
I don't.
00:26:15 [Speaker 2]
Or do you live?
00:26:16 [Speaker 2]
I'm a commuter.
00:26:17 [Speaker 2]
So I drive, I park, and I just kinda I just let my car live there for the entire day, and I walk everywhere else because there's no point in reparking.
00:26:26 [Speaker 3]
No.
00:26:27 [Speaker 3]
There is no point.
00:26:28 [Speaker 3]
I remember.
00:26:29 [Speaker 3]
I just I had we me and six girls lived on Gay Street and near Amsterdam.
00:26:37 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:26:37 [Speaker 3]
Is Amsterdam still there?
00:26:39 [Speaker 2]
It is still there.
00:26:40 [Speaker 3]
Cafe.
00:26:40 [Speaker 3]
Okay.
00:26:42 [Speaker 3]
So we and I just walked everywhere because it Auburn's pretty small, and that's something I love.
00:26:47 [Speaker 3]
But there was nothing when I was there, like, j and m.
00:26:51 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:26:51 [Speaker 3]
And there was that bank in Toomer's.
00:26:53 [Speaker 3]
Have you had a vanilla lemonade?
00:26:55 [Speaker 2]
I have.
00:26:56 [Speaker 3]
Thank goodness.
00:26:57 [Speaker 2]
My favorite is one, though.
00:26:59 [Speaker 3]
Oh, I we didn't have there was no watermelon option.
00:27:02 [Speaker 2]
Well, now there's watermelon.
00:27:03 [Speaker 2]
And it's my favorite.
00:27:05 [Speaker 3]
Vanilla watermelon or just watermelon lemonade?
00:27:08 [Speaker 2]
Watermelon lemonade.
00:27:09 [Speaker 2]
Vanilla watermelon sounds good too.
00:27:12 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:27:13 [Speaker 2]
I'm a big watermelon head.
00:27:15 [Speaker 3]
This is I have watermelon lemonade in my water bottle
00:27:19 [Speaker 2]
Very good.
00:27:19 [Speaker 3]
Right now, but not from Auburn, not from two Mars.
00:27:22 [Speaker 3]
Anyway, we digress.
00:27:24 [Speaker 3]
But but, I don't remember.
00:27:27 [Speaker 3]
Anyway, I just loved Auburn.
00:27:29 [Speaker 3]
It was but we had a Walmart.
00:27:31 [Speaker 3]
That was it.
00:27:32 [Speaker 3]
I mean, we couldn't walk to Walmart, but there was nothing.
00:27:35 [Speaker 3]
Like, there's lots of things now.
00:27:36 [Speaker 3]
Auburn.
00:27:37 [Speaker 3]
There was a Chinese restaurant.
00:27:38 [Speaker 3]
I know.
00:27:39 [Speaker 3]
I've been I've I've been through there many times since.
00:27:43 [Speaker 3]
And professor Heck showed me around a few years ago, maybe in 2018, showed me around the the new building and stuff like that.
00:27:53 [Speaker 3]
So It's
00:27:53 [Speaker 2]
even bigger now than 2018.
00:27:55 [Speaker 2]
I will tell you that for a 100% sure.
00:27:59 [Speaker 2]
It's huge.
00:28:00 [Speaker 3]
It is.
00:28:00 [Speaker 3]
It's continue for sure.
00:28:02 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:28:03 [Speaker 2]
I wanted to kinda swing back to I had a we're talking about illustration work earlier, and I noticed you doing done children's books now.
00:28:13 [Speaker 3]
Like Just the one.
00:28:14 [Speaker 2]
Just the one?
00:28:15 [Speaker 2]
Okay.
00:28:16 [Speaker 2]
That seemed really But I'm
00:28:17 [Speaker 3]
open to others.
00:28:19 [Speaker 2]
That seemed really cool.
00:28:20 [Speaker 2]
Like, I that's, like, a job that is awesome.
00:28:25 [Speaker 2]
What was that experience like?
00:28:28 [Speaker 3]
It was good.
00:28:29 [Speaker 3]
I learned a lot, and I could do even better next.
00:28:33 [Speaker 3]
I have a lot of friends who and and if you wanna talk to them, they're not all in grads, but, I have some really awesome children's book illustrator friends.
00:28:44 [Speaker 3]
And, anyway, it was usually, I think a children's book takes longer than six months, and I literally was cutting them out of paper because that's how I illustrate.
00:28:59 [Speaker 3]
And, but it was it was fun because I know the writer really well.
00:29:06 [Speaker 3]
And so then we you know, I did dummy sketches, and then I figured out some things.
00:29:11 [Speaker 3]
And then, I think because I was designing it and I was illustrating it was really cool, but it was about a kid with a a car.
00:29:20 [Speaker 3]
He's Victor.
00:29:20 [Speaker 2]
Mhmm.
00:29:21 [Speaker 3]
He has ADHD.
00:29:23 [Speaker 3]
And he that was, why she had written the book because her son has ADHD, and, you know, it was about kinda, like, knowing how to understand that superpower.
00:29:35 [Speaker 3]
And so then I had a guy on my show, Thomas Joughin, who now I have met in real life, thankfully.
00:29:41 [Speaker 3]
But Thomas had why I'd had him on because he had done a lot of he does type Thursdays.
00:29:47 [Speaker 3]
I don't know if you've ever heard of that, but it's people who are really type nerds.
00:29:50 [Speaker 3]
They get together in San Francisco, in New York, and all over.
00:29:55 [Speaker 3]
There are these people that get together and they talk about type stuff.
00:29:59 [Speaker 3]
But it started in New York, and Thomas was one of the people who started it.
00:30:03 [Speaker 3]
He designed a lot of fonts for Google.
00:30:05 [Speaker 3]
He was part of that team.
00:30:07 [Speaker 3]
He's done a lot.
00:30:08 [Speaker 3]
Well, I had him on my show, and we talked about him designing fonts and stuff like that and for Google.
00:30:14 [Speaker 3]
And then this lady who listened to my show, she was a educational therapist or something.
00:30:24 [Speaker 3]
I can't remember.
00:30:25 [Speaker 3]
I'm really bad with exactly.
00:30:27 [Speaker 3]
But, anyway, she from that, she asked for a intro.
00:30:31 [Speaker 3]
I get got her connected to Thomas, and then he made she has always had an that kids would learn better if we change the typeface.
00:30:42 [Speaker 3]
They could actually read things.
00:30:45 [Speaker 3]
They they would be able to comprehend things better if they could control the typeface.
00:30:51 [Speaker 3]
And at this point, I don't remember what year this is, but this is where variable type comes out.
00:30:56 [Speaker 3]
Do you know that at the end of the day, your eyes are more tired, so you need more space in the letters or in the counters or between the letters, the counter forms, it helps you to be able to read it.
00:31:09 [Speaker 3]
So I was a really slow reader and probably a little bit of dyslexia in there, but undiagnosed.
00:31:18 [Speaker 3]
And my I had to have to hear every word, so I would prefer to listen to a book than in a 1.3, which my husband's like, I don't even know how you can hear anything, Diane, but I've trained myself.
00:31:31 [Speaker 3]
I can do 1.3 really easy.
00:31:33 [Speaker 3]
Anyway, so, Thomas ends up talking to her.
00:31:36 [Speaker 3]
She says, hey.
00:31:37 [Speaker 3]
This is what I think.
00:31:38 [Speaker 3]
Can you help me make a typeface that would help in dyslexia?
00:31:44 [Speaker 3]
Right?
00:31:44 [Speaker 3]
So that's really what she's wanting.
00:31:46 [Speaker 3]
And he did, and then he got Google to pay for it.
00:31:50 [Speaker 3]
And so it's called, that typeface typeface that we use in Victor in the room, and it's called Lexend for ending dyslexia.
00:31:59 [Speaker 3]
So and then from that, Thomas was is also really entrepreneurial, and he got with somebody who was doing these eye tracking studies and found out that there's a test you can take in thirty seconds to tell you if you have dyslexia, if you have ADHD.
00:32:17 [Speaker 3]
As a weird side thing, they can tell that.
00:32:20 [Speaker 3]
And from that test, it's not you're not being diagnosed.
00:32:25 [Speaker 3]
It's just a
00:32:26 [Speaker 2]
Mhmm.
00:32:26 [Speaker 3]
I mean, I guess you're being diagnosed with dyslexia if you have it.
00:32:30 [Speaker 3]
But, anyway, the ADHD was a side thing, and so that was another thing.
00:32:34 [Speaker 3]
So if you go to creativesignite.com and do a search for Lexend or, Thomas Jocken, you can find out more about that too.
00:32:43 [Speaker 2]
That's that's really cool.
00:32:45 [Speaker 3]
So I ended up being able to kind of backwardsly be part of this typeface, so I wanted to make sure since it was about, dyslexic or about, ADHD, and dyslexics and ADHD kinda go hand in hand sometimes.
00:33:00 [Speaker 3]
So I wanted to use that typeface in in the book, and I was able to do that.
00:33:06 [Speaker 2]
That's really cool.
00:33:07 [Speaker 3]
Winded way.
00:33:08 [Speaker 3]
Sorry.
00:33:08 [Speaker 2]
No.
00:33:09 [Speaker 2]
But, I mean, the story needed needed all that, I think.
00:33:13 [Speaker 2]
That's really cool, though.
00:33:15 [Speaker 2]
I've heard about the Hey.
00:33:16 [Speaker 2]
Dyslexia fonts before because a lot of people say that the Comic Sans is better.
00:33:22 [Speaker 2]
People with dyslexia do.
00:33:24 [Speaker 3]
So Comic Sans is they've proven, peep they can see that better, or be able to read with it.
00:33:31 [Speaker 3]
But Lexend so you can change the spacing.
00:33:35 [Speaker 3]
It can be extended or it can more condensed.
00:33:39 [Speaker 3]
Towards the end of the day, no matter who you are, if you've been having your eyes open and you're not blind, you need more space.
00:33:47 [Speaker 3]
You can just keep reading at the same speed or rate.
00:33:51 [Speaker 3]
You need your eyes get tired, so we need more help at the end of the day.
00:33:55 [Speaker 3]
And so that typeface now, thanks to, getting Google to, pay for it, now we all have access to Lexend.
00:34:04 [Speaker 2]
Mhmm.
00:34:05 [Speaker 2]
That's really cool.
00:34:06 [Speaker 3]
Which is cool.
00:34:07 [Speaker 3]
Made a difference.
00:34:08 [Speaker 2]
That's cool.
00:34:09 [Speaker 2]
It is cool.
00:34:09 [Speaker 2]
That's all I can say about it.
00:34:12 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:34:12 [Speaker 3]
Well, I mean, think somebody that you may interview will come back, and somebody else heard it, and then they make a some something clicks.
00:34:22 [Speaker 3]
And then it was because you had them on your show where you Yeah.
00:34:25 [Speaker 3]
Asked the right question, which is pretty cool to know because you don't everything works out, but you just have to keep going with what you feel called to do.
00:34:34 [Speaker 2]
Definitely.
00:34:35 [Speaker 2]
I yeah.
00:34:37 [Speaker 2]
Felt called to do this, and then I'd been doing it.
00:34:39 [Speaker 2]
And somehow I'm still doing it.
00:34:41 [Speaker 2]
People
00:34:41 [Speaker 3]
listen.
00:34:42 [Speaker 3]
Four years.
00:34:43 [Speaker 3]
Right?
00:34:43 [Speaker 3]
So four years, you started as a disc jockey.
00:34:46 [Speaker 2]
Mhmm.
00:34:47 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:34:47 [Speaker 2]
Four years ago, I I came into Weagle.
00:34:50 [Speaker 2]
I started as a DJ on air, disc jockey with a show called Cool Kid Power Hour, a music show where I would play cool music every week, had that show for two and a half years, and then switched to do a morning show.
00:35:05 [Speaker 2]
And then I started this podcast last year with one of my friends, and now look at me.
00:35:09 [Speaker 2]
I'm here now.
00:35:09 [Speaker 2]
So
00:35:11 [Speaker 3]
There you go.
00:35:11 [Speaker 3]
So but what made did you love music?
00:35:14 [Speaker 3]
Is that why you got into being working at because very different than
00:35:20 [Speaker 2]
Mhmm.
00:35:21 [Speaker 3]
Because it's audio, and, I mean, we're visual designers, so it's kinda interesting.
00:35:28 [Speaker 2]
A lot.
00:35:28 [Speaker 2]
They're like, how did you get into radio and podcasting or whatever when you're design made?
00:35:33 [Speaker 2]
It's a very funny story.
00:35:35 [Speaker 2]
I wish you could see now.
00:35:36 [Speaker 2]
I guess I could turn my camera for you, but the listeners won't know.
00:35:40 [Speaker 2]
But there's a photo of a man on this wall over here.
00:35:44 [Speaker 2]
It says Jared, and it has a giant sign signature of him.
00:35:48 [Speaker 2]
And he giant and weagle.
00:35:50 [Speaker 2]
It's huge up on the board.
00:35:51 [Speaker 2]
He's got kinda famous as like this.
00:35:54 [Speaker 2]
Who's this?
00:35:55 [Speaker 2]
Why is his face and name up on Weagle?
00:35:57 [Speaker 2]
He was my high school TV production teacher, and I actually like his first students because he started teaching my class.
00:36:07 [Speaker 2]
And he told me when I got to Auburn, he's like, you need to join Weagle.
00:36:10 [Speaker 2]
I was in Weagle for my his entire I think he was in grad school here.
00:36:15 [Speaker 2]
He did Weagle.
00:36:15 [Speaker 2]
He loved it.
00:36:17 [Speaker 2]
And he told me I should join it because the people and he thought it would be good for me to make friends because I had a really hard time making friends in high school and in early college as well.
00:36:25 [Speaker 2]
And I, you know, life unfolds.
00:36:29 [Speaker 2]
I came to Auburn, and I missed the first meeting.
00:36:32 [Speaker 2]
And the next day, he called me and said, Ray, did you miss the first meeting for We Gold?
00:36:36 [Speaker 2]
Yes.
00:36:37 [Speaker 2]
Because why would I wanna do that?
00:36:38 [Speaker 2]
And he was like, you're gonna go talk to them and join Weagle.
00:36:41 [Speaker 2]
So, of course, I begrudging begrudgingly.
00:36:46 [Speaker 2]
I shouldn't even said that word.
00:36:47 [Speaker 2]
I shouldn't even try.
00:36:48 [Speaker 3]
That's it's a big it's a mouthful.
00:36:51 [Speaker 2]
Came in, and I was like, hey, man.
00:36:53 [Speaker 2]
I missed the meeting.
00:36:54 [Speaker 2]
How can I be a DJ?
00:36:55 [Speaker 2]
And I became a DJ.
00:36:57 [Speaker 2]
And literally, two years later, my I interviewed to be station manager for my junior year, and now it's my second year as station manager.
00:37:07 [Speaker 2]
So, I give a lot of, credit to Jared or mister Dillard.
00:37:11 [Speaker 2]
I called him mister Dillard in high school, but I've I've graduated from from that.
00:37:17 [Speaker 2]
But
00:37:17 [Speaker 3]
So I think he saw in you at that point Mhmm.
00:37:21 [Speaker 3]
That would because you were an artist.
00:37:25 [Speaker 3]
You were drawing.
00:37:27 [Speaker 3]
I mean, what do you think it was?
00:37:29 [Speaker 2]
I was doing art.
00:37:30 [Speaker 2]
I was doing photography.
00:37:32 [Speaker 2]
I wasn't I I it's interesting because he mainly he mainly did it because he knew that I could find people here that I would be friends with.
00:37:41 [Speaker 2]
Because
00:37:42 [Speaker 3]
So it was more about a community, the community of Weagle.
00:37:45 [Speaker 2]
The community of Weagle is I'm not to not to honk our own home.
00:37:49 [Speaker 2]
We're pretty cool.
00:37:51 [Speaker 3]
Go ahead and toot it.
00:37:52 [Speaker 3]
That's good.
00:37:52 [Speaker 2]
Bunch of a lot of people here are very very artsy in general.
00:37:57 [Speaker 2]
We have a mix of majors people here.
00:38:00 [Speaker 2]
I honestly loved music.
00:38:01 [Speaker 2]
I am not a musician myself.
00:38:02 [Speaker 2]
A lot of people here are musicians, but I had a love of of music and I had a love of art, and I just I had a love of culture really.
00:38:09 [Speaker 2]
Like, at that time, I wouldn't have said that.
00:38:11 [Speaker 2]
But it's a community of people who are just kind of here for fun to, like, here for community and here to express themselves in a way that is unlike some on campus.
00:38:22 [Speaker 2]
Again, obviously, you can do music here, and we do sports broadcasting.
00:38:27 [Speaker 2]
We do podcasting and all this stuff.
00:38:29 [Speaker 2]
A lot of different people come to Weagle, and it's a and it is a space that is very unique because of that combination of people.
00:38:37 [Speaker 2]
And he just knew that I would fit right in, and I did.
00:38:42 [Speaker 2]
And I didn't even think I would.
00:38:43 [Speaker 2]
I was already nervous as someone who had not I was not someone who made friends easily, and I was very shy.
00:38:50 [Speaker 2]
And that's and if you look at me in high school and you look at me now, a completely different person based off of my experience here at Weagle.
00:38:57 [Speaker 3]
Do you think it's because y'all all are creators?
00:39:01 [Speaker 2]
Yes.
00:39:02 [Speaker 2]
A lot of students here, even if they're just, like, reviewing music, they still a lot of okay.
00:39:08 [Speaker 2]
I will say.
00:39:08 [Speaker 2]
Maybe not creators, but I will say big thinkers.
00:39:11 [Speaker 3]
Okay.
00:39:12 [Speaker 2]
Because even if you're in sports, we do sports broadcasting as well.
00:39:15 [Speaker 2]
All of those guys are analyzing and thinking about the what what what they're gonna say about the the game or whatever, and they're analyzing it.
00:39:23 [Speaker 2]
We have people at concerts and reviewing them, and they're analyzing it.
00:39:26 [Speaker 2]
And there's a lot of conversations that happen that across people you would not expect to see, but it's so rewarding to be able to talk to people that in my life, I would have never even thought I could have become friends with who are now my closest friends because of Weagle, because there was that gap that was bridged.
00:39:43 [Speaker 2]
And I think that house helped me more than if I had joined a club that was very niche and specific in, like, what its goal was.
00:39:53 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:39:54 [Speaker 2]
Mhmm.
00:39:54 [Speaker 2]
So yeah.
00:39:55 [Speaker 2]
So
00:39:57 [Speaker 3]
just to encourage you, when you get out there, there are just more awesome people.
00:40:05 [Speaker 3]
It's just about you being what you have to do by asking questions is a great way to make friends because you it doesn't have to be about you.
00:40:15 [Speaker 3]
It has to be about you just being interested in other people.
00:40:18 [Speaker 3]
Right?
00:40:19 [Speaker 3]
But, also, I love that you guys all are observers.
00:40:23 [Speaker 3]
Right?
00:40:23 [Speaker 3]
You're taking things in, you're analyzing it, and then you're able to take it to each other.
00:40:28 [Speaker 3]
You're doing that visually as off also, but you're also doing it.
00:40:33 [Speaker 3]
And that those are great superpowers that are gonna be.
00:40:37 [Speaker 3]
So I'm really glad that he told you to do that because, I think it's funny that you said you had a hard time making prints.
00:40:44 [Speaker 3]
And, that's why I just wherever you go, just be you, and you'll these the friends that you made at Auburn will always be.
00:40:56 [Speaker 3]
They're not gonna go anywhere.
00:40:57 [Speaker 3]
They just might not live in the Mhmm.
00:40:59 [Speaker 3]
Town as you.
00:41:00 [Speaker 2]
No.
00:41:01 [Speaker 2]
I'm very happy that I joined the the college radio station.
00:41:05 [Speaker 2]
It's just it's a funny thing.
00:41:07 [Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah.
00:41:07 [Speaker 2]
When I joined, I was like, I'm not cool enough to join this.
00:41:10 [Speaker 2]
I'm not cool enough to talk about music.
00:41:12 [Speaker 2]
I was intimidated.
00:41:14 [Speaker 3]
Oh, I'm sure I would have been too, but but that's a but it what a great thing to get you ready for Mhmm.
00:41:22 [Speaker 3]
Any career.
00:41:24 [Speaker 3]
It's that you've now I think that's amazing.
00:41:27 [Speaker 3]
And being the station manager is also a that's a lot of responsibility.
00:41:32 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:41:33 [Speaker 2]
I I run this station.
00:41:34 [Speaker 2]
I do.
00:41:36 [Speaker 2]
Like, for student run, that's what my student media is all about.
00:41:40 [Speaker 2]
I am such a big push for student media even if it isn't radio.
00:41:45 [Speaker 2]
We have a literary magazine here.
00:41:47 [Speaker 2]
We have a yearbook.
00:41:48 [Speaker 2]
We have a a newspaper, and we have a a TV station.
00:41:52 [Speaker 2]
I am like to any freshman that comes in because I also help give tours to people who are coming in, and they wanna know about the the station and the studios.
00:42:00 [Speaker 2]
I'm like, listen, man.
00:42:01 [Speaker 2]
If you we go you don't have to join us.
00:42:03 [Speaker 2]
You can join our brother over there.
00:42:06 [Speaker 2]
But you should do it because you get real real work done in an environment where you can have fun doing it, And that's what I think is very important.
00:42:17 [Speaker 3]
Well, that's also the wonderful thing about Auburn is just they are really awesome people.
00:42:22 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:42:22 [Speaker 3]
You know?
00:42:23 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:42:23 [Speaker 3]
And it's just there are lots of different groups or things to join.
00:42:29 [Speaker 3]
You just have to keep trying to find your people.
00:42:33 [Speaker 3]
But Auburn was just full of really good people
00:42:36 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:42:36 [Speaker 3]
For me.
00:42:38 [Speaker 2]
It's pretty cool down here.
00:42:39 [Speaker 2]
It's a pretty cool place, you know, as an Auburn native, as someone who's been here long time, twenty one years.
00:42:48 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:42:49 [Speaker 2]
A question I like to kind of ask kind of shifting to the end because we've been talking for about forty three minutes.
00:42:55 [Speaker 2]
I wanna kinda talk about and ask some of your recent faves, your recent inspiration.
00:43:01 [Speaker 2]
Have there been any any tools recently you've been loving right now?
00:43:04 [Speaker 2]
They can be hands or on your computer.
00:43:09 [Speaker 3]
So I use Elementor.
00:43:11 [Speaker 3]
It's not new to me, but I actually think that so I was designing websites.
00:43:16 [Speaker 3]
I started, I mean, I really old.
00:43:19 [Speaker 3]
In 2005 was my first website, and you probably weren't even around.
00:43:25 [Speaker 3]
I don't know.
00:43:25 [Speaker 2]
2005.
00:43:27 [Speaker 3]
2005.
00:43:27 [Speaker 3]
I'm not good with math.
00:43:29 [Speaker 3]
'4.
00:43:29 [Speaker 3]
I was
00:43:29 [Speaker 2]
oh, no.
00:43:29 [Speaker 2]
I was I was born in 04/2004.
00:43:32 [Speaker 3]
O four.
00:43:32 [Speaker 3]
Okay.
00:43:32 [Speaker 3]
So you were a whole a whole year old.
00:43:35 [Speaker 3]
I was a
00:43:36 [Speaker 2]
fat chubby cheeked baby then.
00:43:38 [Speaker 3]
So I I did not like web design then.
00:43:42 [Speaker 3]
But then I have a friend, who was like, hey.
00:43:46 [Speaker 3]
Can you program called Divi?
00:43:48 [Speaker 3]
And it was through WordPress.
00:43:49 [Speaker 3]
And so then and I did that did many Divi sites, and then I he was like, hey.
00:43:54 [Speaker 3]
Can you do this one?
00:43:55 [Speaker 3]
And it was in 2017, I think.
00:43:59 [Speaker 3]
Maybe it was '16, the Christmas, and I did it was, photography.
00:44:04 [Speaker 3]
They have company in LA.
00:44:06 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:44:07 [Speaker 3]
Los Angeles, not Lower Alabama.
00:44:10 [Speaker 3]
And, it was awesome.
00:44:12 [Speaker 3]
And I got to I'm a big, story brand.
00:44:15 [Speaker 3]
Do you know, Donald Miller earlier?
00:44:19 [Speaker 3]
I can tell by your face.
00:44:20 [Speaker 3]
No.
00:44:21 [Speaker 3]
Anyway, it is, he is he is, he was a Christian writer
00:44:27 [Speaker 2]
Mhmm.
00:44:27 [Speaker 3]
First, and he didn't doesn't have a degree, but he's really smart.
00:44:31 [Speaker 3]
And he figured out using kind of Joseph Campbell's the hero's journey that all anybody, their messaging is what we need.
00:44:41 [Speaker 3]
So it's kind of like combining the best part of, design.
00:44:47 [Speaker 3]
That's what I'm bringing to it.
00:44:49 [Speaker 3]
And then Donna has all these books.
00:44:50 [Speaker 3]
And one of my favorite ones, I usually have it in reach, but I can't seem to find it right this second, but I bet it's right here.
00:44:58 [Speaker 3]
It is.
00:44:58 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:44:58 [Speaker 3]
And it this is my favorite one, Marketing Made Simple
00:45:02 [Speaker 2]
Mhmm.
00:45:02 [Speaker 3]
By Donald Miller.
00:45:04 [Speaker 3]
This and just design, these two things make an incredible, you're really superpower.
00:45:12 [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.
00:45:13 [Speaker 3]
And, anyway, so I build a lot of websites.
00:45:15 [Speaker 3]
I use Elementor.
00:45:16 [Speaker 3]
That's the tool.
00:45:16 [Speaker 3]
I started this, I don't know, a week ago, two weeks ago using Fresco, and I would really like to be able to figure out Adobe dimensions.
00:45:27 [Speaker 3]
But I also had a really bad interaction with Adobe today and yesterday.
00:45:31 [Speaker 3]
So, anyway, I'm gonna just leave it at that.
00:45:35 [Speaker 3]
What happens?
00:45:36 [Speaker 3]
Oh, all of my patterns.
00:45:39 [Speaker 3]
So hundreds of patterns.
00:45:41 [Speaker 3]
You can save patterns.
00:45:42 [Speaker 3]
Right?
00:45:42 [Speaker 3]
You can save actions.
00:45:43 [Speaker 3]
You can save swatches, brushes.
00:45:46 [Speaker 3]
All those got saved.
00:45:47 [Speaker 3]
But my patterns, when I updated Mm-mm.
00:45:50 [Speaker 3]
Gone.
00:45:54 [Speaker 3]
Anyway, I spent two and a half hours this morning, with with Adobe, and, they did not help me get it.
00:46:01 [Speaker 3]
But I went in my time machine on my Mac and went back, and I recovered all of them.
00:46:09 [Speaker 2]
So Very glad.
00:46:10 [Speaker 3]
No thanks to Adobe.
00:46:12 [Speaker 2]
No.
00:46:12 [Speaker 2]
I don't think I've ever found anything helpful from an Adobe site.
00:46:15 [Speaker 2]
I've always had to go on Reddit to get the answer.
00:46:18 [Speaker 3]
Oh, well, this was actually on a live chat with an Adobe person, and they were on my computer with me trying, and they were just doing the same thing I had done.
00:46:28 [Speaker 3]
Interesting.
00:46:28 [Speaker 3]
Anyways, very frustrating.
00:46:29 [Speaker 3]
But I did not cuss at them, and I didn't say anything bad.
00:46:34 [Speaker 3]
I was very nice.
00:46:36 [Speaker 3]
I was thinking mean thoughts in my head, but I did not share any of those.
00:46:41 [Speaker 3]
So Yeah.
00:46:42 [Speaker 3]
But I was pretty frustrated.
00:46:43 [Speaker 2]
I would that would be too.
00:46:45 [Speaker 2]
You know?
00:46:45 [Speaker 3]
Do you have any that you've been, learning that you really like?
00:46:50 [Speaker 2]
I am I've always liked collage, and I do it.
00:46:54 [Speaker 2]
I have a junk journal.
00:46:55 [Speaker 2]
I'm a junk if you know what those things are, my favorite.
00:46:58 [Speaker 3]
Yes.
00:46:58 [Speaker 3]
Yes.
00:46:59 [Speaker 2]
So I've been recently getting back into doing that for, like, like, for image.
00:47:06 [Speaker 2]
I have a class called image, which is about all about image making.
00:47:09 [Speaker 2]
And my last project was type as image, and now I'm doing a zine that's, like, total collage, like, just the mo every like, trash collage, like, tape and and paper ripping and cardboard and all this other texture and stuff.
00:47:24 [Speaker 2]
And I'm really getting into texture.
00:47:25 [Speaker 2]
I mean, I'm I've always been into texture, but, like Mhmm.
00:47:28 [Speaker 2]
Right now, I'm really into texture.
00:47:30 [Speaker 2]
Like, I'm I'm like, I'm tearing this paper.
00:47:32 [Speaker 2]
I need that scrap.
00:47:33 [Speaker 2]
I need this trash I have thrown away.
00:47:36 [Speaker 2]
So I've been really heavily doing that.
00:47:38 [Speaker 2]
I've been loving masking tape for texture.
00:47:41 [Speaker 2]
Like so I I put the I put the masking tape on an image and then, like, tear it off so the image is kind of on the masking tape and then glue the masking tape onto the paper.
00:47:50 [Speaker 2]
That's what I'm loving right now.
00:47:52 [Speaker 3]
You should check out Holly Chastain.
00:47:55 [Speaker 3]
Holly Chastain.
00:47:55 [Speaker 3]
And it's h o l l I e Mhmm.
00:47:59 [Speaker 3]
Chastain.
00:47:59 [Speaker 2]
Google Chastain.
00:48:00 [Speaker 3]
She has a book, but she also I've had her on my show.
00:48:03 [Speaker 3]
She is a great collage person, and you will freaking love her.
00:48:07 [Speaker 3]
So she does
00:48:08 [Speaker 2]
This is nice.
00:48:10 [Speaker 3]
I knew you I knew you would.
00:48:12 [Speaker 3]
She has some really cool, and they're clever and thought provoking.
00:48:20 [Speaker 3]
Some of her collages.
00:48:21 [Speaker 3]
She's in Tennessee.
00:48:23 [Speaker 3]
But there's this other girl, I'll tell you.
00:48:26 [Speaker 3]
Her name is Emma Schofield or yeah.
00:48:29 [Speaker 3]
Emily.
00:48:30 [Speaker 3]
Emily Schofield.
00:48:31 [Speaker 3]
But she goes by art by art art with m.
00:48:35 [Speaker 3]
I'm a Patreon, subscriber.
00:48:40 [Speaker 3]
She paints her paper.
00:48:41 [Speaker 3]
I know you can't really see it, but she paints her paper.
00:48:43 [Speaker 3]
It's birds.
00:48:44 [Speaker 3]
I've seen that before.
00:48:45 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:48:46 [Speaker 3]
So she has a YouTube channel, and then she all this is collaged.
00:48:50 [Speaker 3]
And so, but she really inspired me to start painting.
00:48:55 [Speaker 3]
So if you go to see dianegibbs.com, I see, I have made can you see that?
00:49:00 [Speaker 3]
The Oh, it's like top header Mhmm.
00:49:02 [Speaker 3]
Of my website.
00:49:03 [Speaker 3]
This is it.
00:49:04 [Speaker 3]
So I just hand cut
00:49:05 [Speaker 2]
this cut the paper and scanned it in?
00:49:07 [Speaker 3]
And I, yeah, and I scanned it in.
00:49:09 [Speaker 3]
I painted it.
00:49:09 [Speaker 3]
So it's not exactly the color.
00:49:12 [Speaker 3]
I ended tweaking it a little bit in Photoshop.
00:49:14 [Speaker 3]
But then my friend Anne Ford, she does collage.
00:49:19 [Speaker 3]
You should check her out.
00:49:19 [Speaker 3]
She's been on my show about it.
00:49:21 [Speaker 3]
But these, I bought a few weeks ago.
00:49:23 [Speaker 3]
Look at these.
00:49:24 [Speaker 3]
I think they're beautiful.
00:49:25 [Speaker 3]
I know nobody can see, and so it's really
00:49:27 [Speaker 2]
I love mixing media and collage, like ink and type and paint and all this other stuff.
00:49:33 [Speaker 2]
I think it's such a a really cool medium that I think often gets thrown to the side sometimes, but it's so nice, and it's fun.
00:49:43 [Speaker 2]
And I feel like fun doing it.
00:49:45 [Speaker 2]
So
00:49:46 [Speaker 3]
It is.
00:49:46 [Speaker 3]
It is fun.
00:49:48 [Speaker 3]
It is fun to make things with your hands.
00:49:52 [Speaker 2]
Mhmm.
00:49:53 [Speaker 3]
I love that you're and you're so to me, I end up the whole thing that you're putting it down and then ripping it off and it being okay, like, they're you're ballsy, like, courageous.
00:50:05 [Speaker 3]
Like but it gets sometimes it gets to be hard to be that courageous.
00:50:10 [Speaker 3]
Like, you're afraid of either making a mess or ruining something.
00:50:14 [Speaker 3]
And I think sometimes I think that's a really good, exercise mentally as well as just just the act of making a lot is that you nothing becomes so precious.
00:50:28 [Speaker 3]
Right?
00:50:29 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:50:29 [Speaker 3]
Right.
00:50:30 [Speaker 3]
Think that's
00:50:30 [Speaker 2]
My favorite project I've ever done to this day, I think, was actually the spring.
00:50:36 [Speaker 2]
I went as a class trip to New York.
00:50:38 [Speaker 2]
We did a bunch of alumni.
00:50:40 [Speaker 2]
Like, we saw alumni.
00:50:40 [Speaker 2]
We saw different studios, but we had to do projects based on that.
00:50:44 [Speaker 2]
And I was like, I'm just gonna junk journal.
00:50:46 [Speaker 2]
And somehow, I had came up with the idea that I could I could collect all of my trash from New York.
00:50:52 [Speaker 2]
It's only a week.
00:50:54 [Speaker 2]
So I added five pounds to my backpack.
00:50:57 [Speaker 2]
Not my my my suitcase of just garbage.
00:51:00 [Speaker 2]
Nothing that was gross.
00:51:01 [Speaker 2]
It was receipts.
00:51:02 [Speaker 2]
Right.
00:51:02 [Speaker 2]
Right.
00:51:03 [Speaker 2]
Paper, stickers.
00:51:04 [Speaker 2]
Like, if I if I want food if I if I if I get a wrapper that wasn't, like, grease soaked, I would grab that.
00:51:11 [Speaker 2]
Any bag I got from a from a gift shop, I would grab it.
00:51:15 [Speaker 2]
It was so much garbage.
00:51:17 [Speaker 2]
My book became about probably, an inch, two inches thick.
00:51:21 [Speaker 2]
Everything in it, the pages, the the binding the the binding was glue, but, like, the the cover was all made out of garbage I found from New York City.
00:51:30 [Speaker 2]
Nothing I
00:51:31 [Speaker 3]
Oh, cool.
00:51:32 [Speaker 2]
Nothing that was, again, disgusting.
00:51:34 [Speaker 2]
But Right.
00:51:34 [Speaker 2]
That was my favorite project because I was just creating with other things.
00:51:41 [Speaker 2]
And I would put in some menus and some and I would also any poster that I could get my little grubby hands on on, some some New York I or in there too.
00:51:51 [Speaker 2]
So
00:51:53 [Speaker 3]
That's cool.
00:51:54 [Speaker 3]
That's awesome.
00:51:55 [Speaker 3]
It's good to just be willing to try new things and also to create a habit.
00:52:00 [Speaker 3]
And it sounds like that's what you've done is creating a habit in and that's why I like longer challenges.
00:52:06 [Speaker 3]
So for me, those 75 challenges or a hundred day challenges help me to work through something.
00:52:11 [Speaker 3]
So, like, if you were doing that junk journal, you were only gone for a week, but how long did it take you to fill up make do that project?
00:52:19 [Speaker 2]
Two months.
00:52:21 [Speaker 3]
Okay.
00:52:21 [Speaker 3]
So that's sixty days.
00:52:24 [Speaker 3]
Right?
00:52:24 [Speaker 3]
I mean, maybe you're not doing every day, but that's awesome.
00:52:27 [Speaker 2]
I had to because I had to wait for the glue to dry a lot because I was using a lot of glue.
00:52:32 [Speaker 3]
What kind of glue?
00:52:34 [Speaker 2]
Bookbinding glue Yep.
00:52:36 [Speaker 2]
And, rubber cement.
00:52:37 [Speaker 2]
So rubber cement only works on some things.
00:52:41 [Speaker 2]
If you're a junk journaler, you know this for a fact is that some glues do not work for some things and some work beautifully.
00:52:48 [Speaker 2]
So I had to switch out glues.
00:52:49 [Speaker 2]
Glue sticks were used only if I had to.
00:52:51 [Speaker 2]
I like glue sticks, but they don't well.
00:52:54 [Speaker 2]
But I can't use them on I can't use glue I I can't use rubber cement on everything.
00:53:00 [Speaker 3]
Right.
00:53:00 [Speaker 2]
And, also, I had I had archival glue for any of the stuff that I wanted to stay flat and nice.
00:53:05 [Speaker 2]
So
00:53:07 [Speaker 3]
What about, matte medium?
00:53:11 [Speaker 3]
Have you ever used that to glue?
00:53:13 [Speaker 2]
Use matte medium.
00:53:14 [Speaker 2]
Didn't do that.
00:53:17 [Speaker 3]
So, anyway, it's another it's another one you could check out.
00:53:21 [Speaker 3]
It makes it a little bit Interesting.
00:53:24 [Speaker 3]
Matte medium is, just another medium.
00:53:27 [Speaker 3]
I like it matte, not glossy because then your stuff but it makes it so things are invisible or things you know, your edges and anyway, if you do tissue paper, then it becomes see through, which is even cooler.
00:53:42 [Speaker 3]
Wow.
00:53:42 [Speaker 3]
Have you ever done anything with the I'm sorry.
00:53:44 [Speaker 3]
One question.
00:53:45 [Speaker 3]
Did you have you ever done anything with, jelly printing?
00:53:49 [Speaker 2]
Yes.
00:53:50 [Speaker 2]
I have a jelly.
00:53:51 [Speaker 3]
I knew we were gonna be friends.
00:53:53 [Speaker 2]
I do have a jelly.
00:53:54 [Speaker 2]
If you don't know what jelly printing is, it's this printmaking method, which is, like, you get this, like, plate of, like, of gel like, a thicker jello, And
00:54:04 [Speaker 3]
you can you can Clear.
00:54:05 [Speaker 2]
Clear.
00:54:06 [Speaker 2]
And you go on it, and you can you can transfer images.
00:54:08 [Speaker 2]
You can put patterns on there.
00:54:11 [Speaker 2]
I taught children how to do this over the summer.
00:54:13 [Speaker 2]
They had a great time, and then I had a great time.
00:54:18 [Speaker 2]
It's really cool.
00:54:18 [Speaker 2]
I like I like doing magazine transfers.
00:54:22 [Speaker 2]
That's my favorite thing to do because I like I like recently, I did tell my professor, who said that I was becoming the queen of texture, and I said, I like when they things look gross and disgusting.
00:54:35 [Speaker 2]
I like when they're just nasty.
00:54:37 [Speaker 2]
I like when they're all, like, gritty and gross.
00:54:40 [Speaker 2]
Like, that's what I want.
00:54:42 [Speaker 2]
That's what I like.
00:54:43 [Speaker 3]
Because it gives you more.
00:54:45 [Speaker 3]
You feel like you're experiencing it.
00:54:48 [Speaker 2]
I love things like that.
00:54:50 [Speaker 2]
I love when you can look at
00:54:51 [Speaker 3]
something and
00:54:51 [Speaker 2]
just take it apart with your eyes almost and, like, feel it with your with your brain.
00:54:57 [Speaker 2]
Mhmm.
00:54:57 [Speaker 3]
I do like to touch things too, though, but it's not really appropriate in a museum.
00:55:03 [Speaker 2]
No.
00:55:03 [Speaker 2]
You can't.
00:55:04 [Speaker 2]
It's really it's really unfortunate.
00:55:05 [Speaker 2]
There's so many things I would love to just, like even just, like, to just to, like, put a
00:55:11 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:55:11 [Speaker 2]
I'm in art history class, and it's really hard when we get to go to a museum not to touch the artifacts.
00:55:19 [Speaker 3]
Yeah.
00:55:20 [Speaker 2]
Mhmm.
00:55:21 [Speaker 2]
So
00:55:21 [Speaker 3]
They have special gloves for that.
00:55:23 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:55:24 [Speaker 2]
I did get to go to an archive one time, and they said that you could touch it with your hands.
00:55:28 [Speaker 2]
And that was really cool because of old paper.
00:55:32 [Speaker 3]
Wow.
00:55:32 [Speaker 3]
That's cool.
00:55:33 [Speaker 2]
So I'm coming up in the world.
00:55:34 [Speaker 2]
What can I say?
00:55:35 [Speaker 2]
I got to touch some some cool stuff.
00:55:38 [Speaker 2]
That's awesome.
00:55:39 [Speaker 2]
Yeah.
00:55:39 [Speaker 2]
I think we're hitting 50¢.
00:55:41 [Speaker 2]
Is there anything that I haven't hit on that you wanted to hit on?
00:55:46 [Speaker 3]
Nope.
00:55:46 [Speaker 3]
I love Auburn.
00:55:47 [Speaker 3]
I am so thankful that you asked me, and I will have to reach out to your professor and tell him thanks.
00:55:55 [Speaker 3]
It Auburn was a great place for me, and it was a great place to build confidence.
00:56:01 [Speaker 3]
Sounds like Weagle was a great place for you to build confidence.
00:56:05 [Speaker 2]
Yes.
00:56:05 [Speaker 2]
It has been.
00:56:07 [Speaker 3]
And just know, that you will continue to just continue to be bold and brave just like you were as a freshman even though you missed the first meeting.
00:56:19 [Speaker 3]
Just just keep at it.
00:56:21 [Speaker 3]
And the things that you are attracted to in design, just keep keep seeking and keep searching new things.
00:56:30 [Speaker 3]
I think that's where I've never lost my passion for design.
00:56:34 [Speaker 3]
And as you who are about to, like, embark on, you know, the rest of your life, it is you can just one day at a time.
00:56:44 [Speaker 3]
It would be this huge big thing that you can never pivot from.
00:56:47 [Speaker 3]
It's the wonderful thing about our industry is that our industry is really big.
00:56:51 [Speaker 3]
Like, I've done magazines.
00:56:53 [Speaker 3]
I've done, regular just print collateral.
00:56:57 [Speaker 3]
I've done exhibition designs.
00:56:59 [Speaker 3]
I've done web design.
00:57:00 [Speaker 3]
I've done now surface pattern and illustration.
00:57:03 [Speaker 3]
I don't get bored.
00:57:04 [Speaker 3]
I've we have it's a really big industry.
00:57:08 [Speaker 3]
So Mhmm.
00:57:09 [Speaker 3]
It's people you can do lots of different things.
00:57:14 [Speaker 1]
Hey.
00:57:15 [Speaker 1]
Thanks for listening.
00:57:16 [Speaker 1]
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00:57:18 [Speaker 2]
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00:57:21 [Speaker 1]
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00:57:23 [Speaker 1]
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00:57:26 [Speaker 2]
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00:57:28 [Speaker 2]
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00:57:30 [Speaker 1]
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00:57:33 [Speaker 1]
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00:57:34 [Speaker 1]
I've been
00:57:39 [Speaker 3]
Ray.