Subscribe
Share
Share
Embed
"The Art of Wellness” is a podcast about optimizing your life through science-backed strategies in wellness, health, and performance. Hosted by Dr. Gerry Robles, a doctor of physical therapy, the show explores how movement, mindset, and modern health practices can help you live pain-free, energized, and fulfilled.
Each episode dives into key pillars of wellness including pain management, mental health, injury prevention, physical fitness, holistic healing, recovery, and lifestyle design. Through expert interviews and insightful conversations, we uncover the SCIENCE AND ART behind what it means to thrive in all areas of life.
Dr. Gerry is also the founder of "Art of PT Sports & Performance Physical Therapy," a private physical therapy practice delivering personalized care to help active individuals live well, move well, and age well.
Subscribe for new episodes featuring experts and insights in physical therapy, wellness, and the science of living a healthier, more vibrant life.
Had a blast man. I went to Tokyo. I went to Osaka I trained with as I was telling you before Mazakazu Imanari who I grew up watching Yeah, the inventor of the Imanari role when I was a teenager. I used to watch his fights on YouTube. So 20 years later getting to train with him And I learned a lot of my leg locks and heel hooks from just watching him Yeah, and so training with him was just like a dream come true. I Really, really amazing. And I always tell my students the greatest fighters are usually good people. And he proved that point. Super nice guy. He's the one that took like our credit card payment instead of like he's so he runs the school. He's there every morning. trains with whoever spars with whoever smiling laughing the whole time like shows you don't have to be mean or insecure over macho tough guy to be a good fighter sorry i'm looking at you on the screen i can't i forget that i'm wearing the costume actually i didn't change into my costume i still should we change in the costume oh yeah no i'm still in yeah this is what you usually look like yeah i just busted out like you know congrats man an hour ago thanks you know anyways welcome to the podcast again i'm dr jerry coach rami we're in costume because it's halloween tomorrow yeah so maybe i should have done this episode a little bit you know earlier like last week and then released it tomorrow but better late than never So anyways, your costume is... I'm a shepherd, as you can see. I don't have any sheep yet, so if anyone has any available, I think that's part of the job. So yes, I'm a shepherd in biblical times. And you just bought it, you said, right? No, this is my job. I'm getting into a new field. Yeah, I just bought it from Spirit Halloween for 40 bucks. This is my... normal everyday wear active wear this is how i treat people as a physical therapist so you know and today i actually had all these tattoos on so you intimidated some poor neighborhood yeah so i texted around me that this lady was just like staring me down as i was walking just walking in a forest preserve like just i like to take walks because i'm an old man but um she was like The death stare like all the way down like you know like I should never seen a dude with tattoos I was gonna say those are actually like for fake tattoo. They look pretty cool, right? Yeah, and they're fake like this one's peeling off. You could even see Yeah, I got the death stare for a little bit in Naperville but Yep, we're in costume anything significant about this costume. I Uh, no, I mean, it was close to, you know, I'm Palestinian and this is our, our culture, right? We're, we're pretty good shepherds from what I understand. So I figured this would be a nice homage to, uh, my people. It's comfortable. Now I know why people wear stuff like this, by the way. Yeah. I'm Hispanic. So this costume speaks for itself. Oh man. Um, yeah. Oh my God. Um, so Japan though, you were just in Japan and did you actually spar with, um, What's his name again? I did, man. I did. Did he just smoke you? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. He's on another level. And it's cool because he rolls like in a very fun way. He's not competitive. He's laughing. He's smiling. So it encourages you to also be playful. Yeah, it would be really weird to go and try to like submit him for example, right? Not that I could but that's not the energy he Gives he's very playful. He's having fun. He's trying new techniques. So it encourages you to do the same. Mm-hmm Yeah, it was a joy. He tapped me out three times in one five-minute round with what he got me to twister and He got me with an inside heel hook and I believe, yeah, maybe another two heel hooks and then a twister. I escaped a few leg locks, which is probably like the pinnacle of my martial arts career is escaping a few lower body submissions from Imanari because that's his specialty. So just getting out of a few. And I went for some too. I even told him, I'm like, man, I have to. So I went, fell back for a leg lock a few times. That's crazy. There's no way he... i don't think if he was sleeping i could tap him out with uh with a heel hook what kind of energy i mean you said he had a different type of energy what kind of energy was he giving off Very like like chill like very laid-back and just very fun Like I asked my friend Wilkie who I went to Japan is one of my students who briefly I asked him to record out to shout out to Wilkie and As we were sparring him and I would look over at Wilkie and smile and laugh like he was just having fun really great He knows how to make you feel welcome and the training he's going light. So it's like technical rolling You know, you're not going super hard having fun and yeah, just a really, really great person to train with. Was it a busy like gym or a lot of people there or? People from all over the world. I trained people from New Zealand, from Serbia, people, and this is normal. If you see his Instagram, every single day he has visitors from all over the world. And at $35 a pop, man, he's making a killing. So shout out to Imanari. Dang. Okay. Yeah. Shout out to Imanari. Yeah. If he's watching this. Hopefully he is. Of course he is. He's taking us not seriously at all. What are these goofs doing with, you know, talking about him? But that's cool. Anything else you experienced that you liked a lot that you thought was like, damn, this is something that, I don't know. we should have here in the states oh man like i was the public transportation there is very easy to use spotless the trains are spotless very quick never delayed like that would make life here so much easier um the food is much cheaper and much higher quality like i said the unfortunately the the yen the value of it has plummeted so the dollar is very strong there um you know i'd go to a convenience store buy four or five drinks and it would be a dollar you know i'd see the bill like it'd be a dollar and so yeah you could just eat like a king over there and food quality is very good the interesting thing it's good and bad when i was in tokyo I was surrounded by millions of people. No one ever spoke to me unless they were, you know, a waiter, a server, a barista, something. So no one talks to you. No one makes small talk. No one says, Hey, Oh, where are you from? Nothing. So the only person I spoke to for days was my friend, who I went with. And that's kind of unique. I wasn't used to that. You almost feel socially isolated despite being surrounded by people. So going there, it made it clear why there's a loneliness epidemic. For example, it's very normal there to go out to eat by yourself. It's very normal. In fact, restaurants are often designed like that. They have little mini booths. People just sit on their phone. You don't even talk to a waiter. You order from a screen. Something comes up. They hand you your food. So even in a restaurant, you're not speaking to anybody. So it's very easy to feel very socially isolated there. And it's a big issue there. You know, there's depression, there's suicide, unfortunately, and the work culture is so extreme. So it's not this perfect utopia, but it has a lot of things that we could learn from to improve our own country. It's funny you say that about, like, you know, walking around, you know, Japan or Tokyo. Yeah. Like even here in Chicago, like I feel like people just walk around and don't even like, especially now with your phone. Yeah. It's kind of the same thing in a way. You know what I mean? Like in a huge city, like next to us in Chicago, they're just kind of like walking around like this. Yes. But you're telling me that it's even more so? It's more so. In Chicago, somebody might complain to you, oh, this traffic light's taking forever. Or, oh, what's the deal? How about this weather? You know, something. You'll hear something. Nothing. I don't mean a little bit. Zero. No conversation at all from anybody unless you are paying them to take your order. One person, an elderly man who was at a park by himself, Spoke to Wilkie and I and he was very pleased that Wilkie speaks some Japanese. Oh cool So he talked to Wilkie for a few minutes. That was the only what did they talk about? Just you know, like is this your you know, probably asking about his trip and all you speak Japanese He was pleasantly surprised about that. He took a picture of us. So he was friendly And people are friendly. They're not mean. Yeah here to go out of your way to talk to strangers So everybody kind of keeps to themselves Yeah. So when you're walking around, they're just kind of just like staring. Everyone's just staring forward. Even in fact, I read that if you like trip and fall, that people won't rush to your aid because that scene is embarrassing. Like, oh, you get embarrassed. So I saw a lady trip and almost fall down the stairs walking to the train and no one, you know, that... The culture is like, oh, don't even look because it's going to embarrass her if you give it attention. So, yeah, really, really, really, really different from the States. Wardrobe malfunction. Wardrobe malfunction. Pardon me. But what was your diet like? Since this is a wellness podcast, after all, even though we're dressed in this gear, contrary to popular belief. But what was your diet like? What did you eat out there and what? I ate, so ramen is one of my favorite foods here, like, you know, real ramen. So I ate that all the time because there it's six, seven bucks for like the best ramen you'll ever have. The convenience stores there, interestingly enough, offer very good food, even hot food. So I would get like fried chicken from a convenience store and it'd be awesome. So you could literally have full healthy meals from just convenience stores. The 7-Elevens there are incredible. Like you will find good food that is healthy and high quality at a 7-Eleven. I was eating out all the time. Of course, nowhere I stayed had a kitchen. So I was eating a lot of seafood, eating a lot of, yeah, a lot of seafood, a lot of noodles, a lot of my favorite Japanese foods. Eating it there was, it was on a different level. What was your favorite, favorite dish? Favorite dish I had, I went to Izakaya, as I was telling you, and I ordered some sashimi, and the chef told me where each piece of fish was from. And you could tell it was just so fresh and vibrant. The color of the fish was unique and extraordinary. And when I ate it, it was like the freshest, best seafood I've ever had personally in my life. Okay. So you didn't really meet anybody just walking down the street at all? The only way I made friends, which I did, was when I was training at gyms. So that's the great thing about martial arts and combat sports. So at Minari's gym, I talked to 10 people, more people in that one training session than I had had talked to in a week when i was in osaka i found a muay thai gym ran by a thai instructor who has a gym in thailand yeah and i trained there for a week i met a lot of people people from the states people from japan people from korea made friends people i still keep in touch with now um so that was if it wasn't for that it would have been super lonely um So yeah, martial arts, once again, brings people together, right? So I made friends that people are like, oh, if I ever come to Chicago, I'll come see you. People I really consider friends now because you have something in common, right? You have something to talk about. You're in the same gym together. So you share a similar hobby. You were there for how long? I was there for two weeks total. was that enough i i would love to stay to stay longer uh and i already can't wait to to go back but it was enough to get a feel you're barely scratching the surface at two weeks yeah i saw three cities total tokyo yokohama and osaka I missed a lot, right? There's still a lot to discover. So, yeah, I got to go back. Maybe we'll go together and film some content over there. And we could like, you know, the longer we stay, the more we turn into Salaryman over there. Yeah, yeah, we'll finally get that 9 to 5. We can probably meet him. Yeah, oh, yeah, that'd be great. I don't know if Salaryman watches YouTube, but we love your stuff, Salaryman. Absolutely. It's so weird that he just popped up on my algorithm and I started watching it. I don't know why. Like, what would even be similar to his content that I watch? Most of my YouTube stuff is just UFC, MMA stuff. WWE, yes, I like WWE. Oh, man. I love it. All right. But you should teach me some WWE stuff, you know? Got it. Because you're a combat sports coach. Absolutely. That's what we specialize in. But, yeah, I don't know what, like, my algorithm came up with that was just like, well, if it came up on yours, too, he might be just popping up everywhere for some reason. But it was just so interesting watching him just Well, I don't know if it was... It was very calming, even though he was like... He seems very depressed and lonely, like you said. Just walking around and showing us his everyday life of waking up, working, going home, sleeping, waking up, working, going out every day. And it looks like it's like... you know, not fun at all. But I was telling you, like, we kind of do the same thing here anyway. So like what, again, maybe they're at the extreme of it. Yes. But I feel like we have a lot of that same stuff here regardless, because like you said, I mean, working for money, all the, you know, people obsessed with just like wanting more and more and more. Eventually just turn into that anyway, you know here too. So you're right kind of sad it is I know When I met people there who were from Australia for example a lot of them have been traveling for eight or nine months and these are regular people with regular jobs in the States imagine taking nine months off to travel the world you'd have to be a very wealthy person to afford that and But in other countries, they do have a work culture that allows them the freedom and flexibility to travel more, to take more time off. So I agree. The American work culture is very intense, and we are overworked. Many people, as you know, working two to three jobs just to survive, not even to thrive, just to survive and pay the bills. Yeah, it is horrible. It's tragic to be overworked. It is. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I have the theme for today's podcast that I had was basically like mental challenges that we face, which I can relate it to like how we live here, you know, in general. You know, I wrote down here like distractions and people, like you said, being lonely. Like that's a thing here, too. Like I know in Japan, it's like, you know, maybe a different level, but like. I mean, you see it online all the time. People are just like not wanting to like have friends or like go out and socialize or whatever. Because it is because of, you know, your phone or scrolling or doom scrolling or whatever. But like, how do you think people or what's one way you don't get distracted by scrolling or social media? Yeah. Do you struggle with that at all? Absolutely. Especially as you know, when you're running business, being active on social media is part of the part of the job, so to speak. Yeah. There's always something I can be doing on my phone. I can be uploading videos to my academy's Instagram. I could be uploading videos to our TikTok. I could be creating a lesson plan. I could be... There's always something I could be doing on my phone that's actually productive, not just mindless scrolling. But even that, I have to limit. So what I try to do is when I get home and I'm done, I'll put my phone in the charger. Like, that's it. I'm not looking at it until tomorrow morning. You know, if there's an... I doubt, you know, once and maybe I'll check it once in case there's an emergency, but that's it. I try to give myself some time completely away from my phone. And that has helped a lot. Yeah. Because, you know, I love my business, so there's always something. I'm always thinking about it. But even that, I have to take time off of thinking about the business. I don't want my whole personality to be Phoenix Sports Empire. That's a part of who I am, but it's a small part of who I am. I'm so much more than my gym and my students and my academy. And sometimes those lines can be blurred, right, where I come home from and I'm stressed and I'm, you know, thinking about this and I'm not even present, whether I'm hanging out, you know, people who i love my family i'm not present because i'm thinking about something else and the scrolling and that adds to that anxiety feeling overwhelmed comparing yourself to others so i think it's important to take to take breaks it's very important i try not to mindlessly scroll if i'm on my phone it's for a purpose yeah upload a video i want to watch a fight something specific that i want to do when i'm done the phone's out of my hands And it's something I've struggled with. So I'm not here saying like, oh, stop scrolling. So you actually struggle with that? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Because it's, you know, I'm somebody like you need stimulus, stimulation all the time. And that gives it to you. And then I noticed when... I was reading far less. I love to read. - Me too. - And being on my phone kind of replaced my love of reading 'cause I could always be reading on my phone. But I wasn't reading books. So now I take time, sit on the balcony, read books. I notice I'm happier when I spend time away from my phone, even if my time on my phone is productive and for my business. - Yeah. I don't really scroll a lot, thankfully. I think I'm just like consumed with like business stuff, like you said, like my emails, texting people, scheduling people. So thankfully I'm not like, you know at night and a lot of people do this like scroll on their phone Whatever stuff like I put YouTube on yeah, and I'll put a podcast on or like whatever and I like kind of let it sit on my nightstand for a little bit mm-hmm once I start falling asleep I turn it off and airplane mode it but like my eyes are i'm not good at like staring at a screen for a long time my eyes are super sensitive so i get like dry eyes and like my eyes get irritated with my contacts too sometimes so i'm like i can't even do that anyway thankfully so i try not to like just like scroll yeah mindlessly on whatever videos people watch like what do you watch on when you do scroll Usually if I'm, for example, if I'm on my business page on Instagram, I'm scrolling for reels to share to our story or techniques that I think are interesting. So it'll have to do, you know, again, that's something I could always be doing. There's always a cool video, a cool technique, a cool new submission that I could work into my lesson plan. So you can still justify the scrolling by saying like, oh, well, this is helping me. This is helping me come up with ideas. But you still have to, you still have to create like, time away from your phone in general, I feel like. What do you think it does to you if you do, which I guess is most of us nowadays, like staring at our phones? What do you think it's doing to us? Like, why do you think you need time away from it? I think that we as human beings crave community and social interaction. And our phone can give us the illusion that those needs are being met, but they are not. That's something I was talking, shout out to Asha. She told me, I was like, why do people, why do you think people love PSE so much. Like my students that love, stick with us, drive past 30 other gyms to come to us. And I'm really trying to wonder why, because you don't want to just be, oh, we're the best. No. Why do people love us? And Asha told me that we've created a community in real life that usually only exists online. Like people with a shared interest who are supportive, who are friendly, who are positive. Usually people only find that type of community. Now, unfortunately on online. So because we've created that type of space that's real and you can enjoy in person, it creates like people really love it because they have a community, they have friends, they have a hobby to participate in with people who are like-minded. And I think it's important for all of us to find a real community in person It's great if you found one online. It's great. I'm not saying I'm not against that. Yeah. But I think it's also important to have community and to have friendship and to have social interaction in person. It's so much more rewarding and so much more pleasurable. Agreed. Than, you know, the opposite. Than, yeah, a Reddit community. Yeah. I mean, and hey, i have no issue with that but yeah when it completely replaces your jesus oh okay never mind shepherd doesn't know how to open a bottle of water when it replaces an actual community that's when i feel the issues yeah which i think like you said that is a thing where people are replacing human connection with things on your phone and like you said a lot of that is an illusion anyway like The feeling you get like me and you talking right now, even though it's in front of these cameras, we're still talking. Still talking. Like, you know, like buddies because we are. And you can't replace that with talking to somebody you might not ever meet just through text on a phone. I don't know. The human connection is something that I think, you know, with today's theme of, you know, mental challenges and stuff. I think the more connections you have with people who are like-minded as you, the more you're, you know, and again, I'm it kind of like it makes you feel better you know what i mean maybe you aren't as depressed as most maybe you aren't as lonely well obviously i mean hopefully you're not because you have people around you that are surrounding you with good vibes and things that you like and you know um similar um values and stuff so i think that's i mean hopefully people can find a way to do that again without your phone right you know right like how do you think we can even start doing that again i think maybe the A good approach can be you use your phone to find that community and you engage with them in person. So when I do look at things like Reddit and I see the Naperville subreddit, for example, one of the most common threads I see... I've never looked at that before. Okay. Half of it is how do I meet people? Is it really? At this age, you know, and I've been here for two years and I don't have friends. There's a Naperville subreddit? Yeah, and it's pretty active. Okay. And a lot of it is people looking for friendship, looking for something to do. Like, hey, on this... I don't know. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know. That's not where I'm on Reddit, but I'm sure that too. People do ask, like, how do I meet people? Like, how do I date people? People are literally asking those questions. Which is, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm not trying to hate on that either, but, like, I guess some people are on there just to, like, maybe hate or, like, who... Who was that guy you posted on your Instagram story? Oh, yeah. So I posted a TikTok video. What's the story behind that? On the PSC TikTok, I posted a video of Enrique, Coach Enrique now. Shout out to Enrique. That's right, our number one supporter. Our boy. teaching a single leg takedown and very technical video tons of people saved it liked it and of course some guy makes a comment about Enrique's appearance some loser and right away as soon as I clicked on his profile yep you know it I already knew this guy was going to be ugly and as soon as I clicked on his profile he was even uglier than I expected I'm like the nerve of this ugly loser to comment on Enrique teaching people how to do a single leg takedown like he's not doing anything to harm you threaten you make you feel bad but some people are so miserable that they have to bring other people into their misery right yeah he loves company as we know of course so i went all in on i'm very overprotective over i went all in uh and i'm like man you've I just, I can't stand that. I can't imagine. I see stuff online all the time, a technique that maybe I don't agree with. Oh, I don't think this would work. I'm not going to go on there and make fun of the instructor's appearance or something. That's so weird to me. That's strange. Yeah. It's strange. Yeah. He probably thinks he's like an alpha male or something. Don't get me started on the alpha males. What did he say again? Like, what did he, what was his exact comment? Do you remember? he he made a comment about enrique's like body type to be like yeah it's really really stupid just weird like really really strange um yeah so i mean phone is a big well again what do we even call it now internet online life, like what do you even call that anymore? Virtual life? I don't know what to call that. Yeah, I know what you mean. Social media. I think the big thing is, is how big of a distraction it is for you to actually be doing stuff in real life. Like you said, maybe meeting somebody in real, not that it's bad to meet people, like you said, through online. Sure. But if it distracts you from finding your community in real life, or maybe, you you know, starting a business or starting a website or posting content of your own on Instagram or TikTok or YouTube like this, maybe you shouldn't be scrolling so much. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's addictive. It's an addiction like anything else. And addictions are difficult to overcome as we know. And that's the, you know, once you're used to that, I feel like Just like it's very easy to find pleasure, enjoyment, a distraction. It's very easy. The easiest way to, before you had to do something to earn, you know, that dopamine, right? Yep. And now you can just scroll. And I feel like that fries our brain in some sense, right? It has to somehow. When I see people scrolling, the look on their face, it's like, it's very like an empty energy that they give off. Right. Yeah. And, uh, and, um, again, this is, I don't want this to come off as demeaning or being holier than thou because I think we all have some sort of addiction or habit or something maybe that we do that isn't the healthiest. So I don't want to be like, I am on top of the mountain as a shepherd speaking down to people, but yeah, I noticed it. I noticed that. And I think that actual social interaction is the remedy as the cure for this yeah i think you said a good thing where like you can use it to your advantage i mean you can most people i think use it for a distraction unfortunately but like um even like meeting you like i think i just emailed you or something you know what i mean and we just you know right away became friends but um Stuff like that I think is very productive to what you want to do in your life whether it is starting a business building a business making your own community of people that can like Back you up when you are starting a business but the distraction is very real and I think we all do our best to not stare at it for you know 30 minutes, but Thankfully my eyes are very sensitive so I can't even do it anyway But um, what else do you think? So besides it being a distraction, what else do you think it's doing to us? Do you think it also makes people less confident in general? Because you said people look empty, right? Yeah. So like if you start talking to somebody in real life, like me and you are right now, do you think that transfers into just like being awkward as heck? In real life? Yes, I do. I noticed when a lot of our younger students sign up at my academy, man, a lot of them... You read my mind. Yeah, a lot of them, they can't look you in the eyes. They speak. They have no social skills. And it's not their fault. It's just this is how it is. And I noticed after a year or so of training, now they're looking me in the eye when they speak to me. Now they're more confident. And it's... Yes, the fighting is a part of it building the conference there But also just being around people several times a week and having to talk to different types of people teaches you social skills that are invaluable right and that will build your confidence when you know as a 16 year old you can hold a conversation with a 45 year old professional right and it's that builds their self-esteem But yes, I notice it a lot. I noticed it so much. I'll have students come in their teenagers I'm like, how's this person ever gonna meet someone date someone and do any accomplish anything. They can look at you for one second as they speak. It's really, really strange. People are more isolated. You know, they want, for example, romantic partners. They're unable to even start the process of even finding a suitable romantic. They don't know, you know, they're they're it's it's really really harmful i feel like and it's putting people at a huge disadvantage when it comes to actually interacting with yeah i think me and my friend were talking about this um a couple weeks ago but like the younger gen we're gonna sound like the old guys yeah but um like the kids that you know they are very like you said they're not a lot of eye contact they kind of just like stumble over their words a lot they're kind of just looking around erratically Not very centered when talking to somebody. I think a lot of that, yes, this isn't helping at all. But I think someone like you, a good coach, good parenting, good teachers, good mentors can offset this. Well, that's what my hope is. You know what I mean? I think if a 16-year-old, 17-year-old, if they have good people in their life that are Coaching them like I said a good football coach whatever coach and they're playing sports or something a good teacher that they can maybe like learn from and like oh this person's actually like looking someone in the eye when they're talking to somebody and it kind of offsets the You know the emptiness that they get from staring at social media all day So, you know, maybe I'm more optimistic about the future, but I think If someone is at that age and they have good people around them, I think they could get over that. Yeah awkwardness that their phone can bring to them. - Absolutely, and the issue is, let's say, you know, with Gen Z kids who are younger than us, we're both millennials. - Yeah, yeah. The worst thing you could do to a younger generation is just scold them, tell them how messed up and wrong they are. You have to show them an alternative. You have to show them like, hey, let's go out and do this. Let's go train. Let's go watch. Hey, you know how you're boxing two, three times a week? Let's go to a boxing match this weekend all together as a team. You show them an alternative rather than say, get off your phone while you're always on your phone. That doesn't help anybody. A lot of times, Like us, you know, the Gen X and the Boomers, all they did to us was yell it because we were the internet kids for them. Oh, you guys are always playing games or always on, you know, whatever, like on AOL Instant Messenger back in the day. Like, oh, it's going to fry your brain. They scolded us and yelled at us. AOL Instant Messenger. Yeah. And that doesn't help. Give somebody an alternative. If you feel like there's a better way, it's your job to show them that way. Yeah. And I think, you know, we were all kind of awkward at that age anyway. You know, being a 16, 17, 18, 19 year old, even early 20s. But like, I think like us, we, you know, I remember people, mentors and like coaches that people that are like, made a big impact on me that I was like oh like this person you know I like the way they communicate and I like the way they're talking to this other person and in a way you kind of emulate it you don't want to just completely rip off their style but like you kind of like you know you bring it into your own style and you take things from people here and there as you grow up and it makes you less awkward yeah you know what I mean yes I think you know yeah maybe nowadays like 16 17 year olds this is more of an effect on them than like we had just AOL or whatever and super slow internet, but I still think that the phone stuff can be offset through good mentors, teachers, coaches, people, role models that they have. Hopefully. I hope so. I hope so. There has to be something more fun than the phone. Like, boxing sparring is way more exciting than scrolling Instagram, right? So people who end up training with us and getting into sparring and competing, whether it's jujitsu, boxing, kickboxing, that's way more fun. No one is... running to be on their phone during our classes right after when they're home that's what's tough is like this training and all this can only be a few hours a week so now what about the other 22 hours a day right that's what i so i always want to help people find positive and healthy ways to use their time i always think of you never want to kill time you want to spend it because time is the most valuable asset we have is our time it's nothing is more valuable and And when we think of it as killing time, I think that, you know, words mean things, right? So you want to spend time. You want to spend your time wisely. And looking back, if I'm on my deathbed, I'm not going to say, I wish I spent more time scrolling Instagram reels or watching YouTube shorts. I'm going to say, I wish I had more face-to-face contact with the people who love me and I love. Exactly. And I want to remember that as I'm going through life. And I want younger people and my students especially to know that The important things in life are not going to be through your phone. Your phone is a tool. You use it to meet people. We met each other. Everyone that trains at PSC found us online. So we need this, right? It's a tool for good, too. It's a tool, yeah. It'll help. But once you're in that community... Yeah. Just like anything in life, you can use it for good or bad. But hopefully as you use it more, the more you kind of realize what you can use it for for good and for bad. Sure, yeah. Because... it's helped us a lot absolutely business-wise absolutely connecting with people doing this on youtube you know what i mean yeah um which is super fun yeah um but you know let's say we're talking to a a 16 year old or a 17 year old Do you remember those days when you were just like super awkward and no confident? How do you feel like you got more confident as you got older? I think spending a lot of time with adults when I was young, like my parents, their friends, my family members who were older, that really built my confidence. And what I loved and appreciate now looking back is is my parents especially, they took me seriously even when I was a teenager. They didn't dismiss me because I was young or roll their eyes. They would engage with me. They would debate with me. They made me feel important in terms of what I had to say. And I think that really helps. And a lot of adults demean and look down on and disregard what younger people have to say. And that's a good way to get them to stop engaging with you. Right. Yeah. So, yeah, just interacting with adults, whether it be my family coaches, I had martial arts instructors who mentored me and just being able to speak with them to learn from them. That really built my confidence in my self-esteem a lot. So learning from them. Yeah, I was fortunate to have that. Yeah, I agree. I think. the older we got or the older i got i think the the main thing for me was what built my confidence was doing things i was afraid of like in the back of your mind you know you should be doing something and then when you don't do it you're like damn like why didn't i do that i just wussied out of it yeah why did i do that even like this right now like this youtube um channel that i have right I don't really know what I'm doing most of the time. You know what I mean? This is a wellness channel. The funny thing is I'm a physical therapist. I'm talking about like mental wellness right now. I should be talking about anatomy and biomechanics or like rehab or something. But it all goes hand in hand, right? When someone is injured, you know, their mental well-being goes down too. They're just, you know, they're sad, they're depressed, they can't play their sport. So I think a lot of, you know, managing people with that is, you know, mental wellness. But anyways, But what I was trying to say was like doing stuff that you feel like you shouldn't you should be doing. And then when you don't do it, that to me always kind of killed my confidence. Whereas like this right now, I don't know how to do a YouTube channel. Thankfully, I found Brian and actually doing it. It's building my confidence. The more episodes I put out, the more I talk to people, the more I. See myself on camera even though I look like a weirdo right now, you know, we're Yeah, but um, yeah it's it's I think the more you do things that you know, you should be doing and you don't and you don't You aren't afraid of it and you actually do it that to me my confidence went up and anything 10 public speaking this YouTube Whatever taking tests in school and social interactions and social settings, networking things for my business. It all became fun for me as opposed to being something that I was afraid of when I was a teenager or early 20s. So I think getting over that mental hump of Knowing you should be doing this and you're afraid of it and you still do it, right? That's what builds kind of that mental resilience and that confidence as you get older I don't know if you could relate to that. Yeah, I can you know, for example every time I I fought I was very scared and nervous, but there you go. Yeah, and Almost every time after I would after victory, I would always yell like I did it. I did it. And for some of that's, you know, when you win a fight, you're not thinking that you're just going to blurt out what you're feeling. And that's what I was feeling is that I overcame this. It's not defeating the opponent. It's the fact that I went in despite being afraid. and face that fear because your fear isn't of the opponent your fear is of losing looking bad looking stupid embarrassing yourself do you remember what you felt the first fight you had like right before What were you feeling? I was so excited because I was 17 and I had that delusional 17-year-old I'm invincible confidence. So not super nervous? No, but what kind of shook it is right before the fight, as we were, you know, in the cage and the referee was like, you know, keeping like basically where the fight's about to start i looked at my opponent and i saw him really like nod his head and he looked really confident i remember that mess with me i was like why is this guy so confident yeah it messed with me a little bit and ever since then i may have mentioned this on another podcast yeah yeah yeah i just think i don't make eye contact with my opponent because it could be a facade yeah i don't i don't look and uh because you know i beat him But that kind of got in my head a little bit because he was so confident. He was older than me. I was only 17. He had two fights before this. It was my debut. Yeah. So I'm like, man, why is he so confident? It made me second guess myself. But yeah, so there were definitely some nerves right before the fight. And yeah, the more experience I got, the more nervous I would be, actually. It was the opposite of what people expect. Yeah. When you're young, and especially delusion can give you confidence that you don't deserve to have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then when you are older, you know how many things can go wrong, why this could be horrible, and it starts to mess with you. And so, yeah, just... the greatest experiences of my life have been on the other end of my comfort zone right so yeah that's something i try to remind myself when i am scared or nervous or intimidated is that this is, as long as I'm not doing anything to harm myself, I'm doing something to challenge myself, I'm going to grow from this. Right. And that's like the whole, you know, other side of it is like, we think that that's going to harm us. Right. Because we're so afraid of it. Your sympathetic nervous system gets ramped up and you think it's a threat to your body or your mind, whatever, everything. And they go hand in hand. But, you know, rationally, you know, it's not going to kill you. Yeah. You know what I mean? So you still do it anyway. And then it's, In a way, while you are doing it, whatever it is, your body kind of goes into instinct mode anyway. Like, for you, I mean, a fight is the perfect example. Like, if someone punches you in the face, you're in a fight. You have to fight. Of course. You know what I mean? But, like, for me, like, I remember in school, like, giving a presentation or something would be kind of, like, something I was always nervous about, even though I did a lot of them, you know, going through school. Right. And they got easier and easier. But, like, I remember, like, Telling myself this is grad school like an undergrad, but I remember like telling myself like the second I'm in it Mm-hmm. I I got I felt better. You know what I mean? Like once you start whatever so like I remember telling myself early 20s mid-20s or in grad school or whatever like I would be like I let me just get to the point where i'm in it yeah and once i'm in it my instinct kicks in i'm like oh i've done this before let me just keep doing it and then i know how to do it um because i have those reference experiences from last like you know however many years of school i went through but right like i've done it before so like once you're in it yeah and you can call upon those older reference experience that you did in the past it becomes not easy well it's easier but it's never like You never don't have any emotions about it. We're not robots. But like that nervousness doesn't overwhelm you anymore. Yes. So like, you know, we have these little mental tricks. Like for me, it's just like, let me just get in it. Once I'm in it, I'm good. Yep. So I remember like doing a speech like in grad school, like in PT school or whatever. Like I was like, all right, let me just get in it. I remember when I was in it. It felt like I was on a flow state like maybe for you in a fight you're just like oh like I'm in it I know how to do this like let me just it's all instinct from here And you start talking for you you start fighting you're like oh, I know how to do this already That's not it's not crazy. It's I've done it before I'm not gonna die. Well, maybe you could yeah It's a possibility, but I guess it's always a possibility but Most 99% of time you're not gonna die, right in these instances But and then you're like, okay, I've done it before and I'm cool. I'm good. You're absolutely right. Yeah, I think reference experiences, having those experiences in the past to call upon... you know the older you get the more you're like i've done this before and that to me always gave me great confidence the older i got yes and it's our job to share that experience so for example if i have a student competing and they're nervous because i competed i could tell them hey it's okay i'm always nervous too but when the match starts whether it's grappling kickboxing mma it's going to melt away you're just going to be in the zone your training is going to take over the hardest part is waiting, you know, being backstage, walking to the ring, hearing your name being announced. That's the most terrifying part. As soon as the bell rings, All that goes away. It's about your training. So you're only going to be nervous for those few, you know, 20 minutes, 30 minutes. But it's tough. And that's why experience matters. So if I had no experience and my student says, hey, I'm nervous about, oh, man, that sucks. I don't know. Good luck, man. Maybe breathe or something. But because I've been through it many times myself, I can tell them, oh, yeah, I know. I'm always nervous. Everyone who fights is nervous. This is normal. Yep. This is part of it. And this is why it's so important. impressive to compete in a sport, especially a solo sport where all eyes are on you and the pressure is so much more intense. I mean, you know, even the things like in football, you're in a team and you're wearing a helmet. It's not as personal, right? In a fight, you're there basically in your underwear, you know, with your shirt off and bright lights on you and everyone can see every hit, every strike. They could see when you're scared. They could see when you flinch. Yeah. You feel very vulnerable, right? So the nerves are different. I've had people who are athletes in other sports, and when they compete in even a local jiu-jitsu tournament, their nerves are much more severe than when they played, like, college basketball or something. And they'll share that with me. But, yeah, that's why it's our job, right, to... show people and mentor people and pass on our experience so that they don't feel like, oh man, this is horrible. What am I going to do? And it's our job to kind of share that experience. So yeah. And hopefully, hopefully they like, I have people, you know, patients that I talk to clients that, you know, they're younger and I tell them something like they ask me stuff like life stuff and I share my, you know, experiences with them. Right. Right. Maybe they don't learn it right away, but maybe someday they'll remember like hey Jerry said this you know or Rami said this I know how to handle this or you know Hopefully they remember that but I like to think that they do like somewhere in there like I gave them this piece of advice and then one day they'll kind of pull it out and use it themselves Absolutely, absolutely hopefully What was the most stressful situation? well i guess you've ever been in ever in life yeah oh this is getting let's keep again ever in life i have to think also that was all about mental challenges so i'm trying to like you know pull these out of us even though it's kind of weird to talk about it on youtube but it's all good one of the most uh stressful things Well, there's a few. There's competition and then there's like real life stuff. So you could pick one of each. Pick one of each. OK, so real life one that comes to mind. Oh, man. Man, I OK. I've now now they're all coming. I know. I'm thinking about them, too. You got one. You got one. I don't know. Do you have one real life? So once actually recently. My younger sibling and I went to Jordan to visit some family members. And as I was about to leave the airport, as I was about to walk out of the airport after going through security, getting my luggage, this plain clothes, like secret police dude stopped me and was like, hey, let me look through your bags. And he looked through my bags and then he's like, hey, come with me. We went to the back of the airport. I had no cell phone service. And for hours we were there. All our baggage was searched by the Jordanian like secret police. And I saw the thing. It said like drug police on his office. I'm like, what the hell is going on? My parents are waiting for me outside in a car. I couldn't contact them. I couldn't reach out to them. I couldn't even tell them, hey, you know, we got held up. I'll be out. So it was such a stressful situation and I didn't know what was going to happen. I didn't know if they, they were asking me like my snacks. I had peanut butter, chocolate peanut butter pretzels. They're like, what's this? Does this have cannabis in it? I was like, you've got to be kidding me. So as they were looking through my stuff, I started to, I'm like, try it. So I started like handing them snacks. So here I am in Jordan handing the drug police, like my snacks and stuff to prove to them that my snacks from Trader Joe's aren't, you know, illicit substances. But we were held up for hours. And I didn't know, I'm like, are they going to deport us? Are they going to send us back? It was a very, because, you know, Jordan, they're the police, they have a lot of authority. And I was really, really worried. And The way I handled it was making friends with them, joking, showing them that I wasn't nervous. But I remember being so panicked, especially because my younger sibling was with me. I felt responsible for their safety as well. My younger sibling, Sarah, who I love. I didn't want anything to happen to them. So things like that make little things like getting pulled over and getting a traffic ticket or whatever seem really, really minor. I have a few more, but some I probably shouldn't share on YouTube. So I'm trying to censor them. This is like a mild. I've had more stressful, but this came to mind. No, that's a good one. I'm trying to think of a recent one for me, too. That one's pretty stressful, though. I have one on par with that. What would be stressful? Yeah. Nothing. Nothing stresses me out. You are an alpha male. Yes. I just can't think of one right now. Do you have another one? Competition-wise, I've lost one time in my pro career. And what happened before that loss was I'd been at a gym, a very notable gym, well-known, a lot of professional fighters. A few weeks before my fight, I found out that one of the coaches was alleged to have behaved inappropriately with a woman on our team, an amateur fighter. And I want to be very careful. He was alleged to have invaded her privacy as she was, you know, changing or showering or something like that. I found out in the middle of a training session when I was maybe even a week and a half out and I I was left with such a difficult, I mean, it wasn't difficult. I made it, but it was a difficult circumstance to be in because now I'm like, I can't be a part of this team anymore. I'm traveling around the country, teaching self-defense workshops for women specifically. And here I am with a team that, you know, has a coach who was behaving this way. We told the head coach, the owner, hoping that he would fire this person. He did not. So here I am now, uh, i've lost my team i've lost my everything my coaches everything gone that i've had on and off for seven years at this time yeah and now i'm fighting with no corner men you know i had to ask like friends of mine you know everything you're out of that routine and it was a week and a half before the fight and i remember mentally that was the only fight i ever had where i didn't enjoy being there and i knew i was going to lose even before the fight because i not i knew i was going to lose like it was an omen i just felt it i'm like This is not good. I just felt I wasn't mentally there. I wasn't excited about the fight. I was dealing with the fallout, people calling me, people trying to convince me that I was wrong. Just it was so much in this one, cutting weight, selling people tickets. This was overwhelming. And it was the one fight I lost. I broke my orbital bone, fractured my jaw. You know, my father was there. My friends were there. And this is a fight I should have won it. Winnable fight for me. And after that, I began, I was also teaching at the time. So I'm realizing, man, to be a fighter and a coach at the same time, as an athlete, you have to be very selfish. As a coach, you have to be very selfless. They don't go very well together. So really, like, that was a horribly stressful situation. And I feel if I would have stuck with my team and continued with my typical routine, I would have won, but I would have lost my own career. self-respect and my dignity because it would show i don't stand up for what i believe in i'm a fraud i say i believe in this but when it comes down to it no i'll take the easier path which is yeah whatever let me stick with this team and but so it was a very very stressful time that was about 10 years over 10 years ago now but i remember like it was yesterday a while ago okay a while ago jeez I'm trying to think of one for myself. Just make something up. Yeah, I just make something up. I'm a convict anyway. I think, well, in general for me, like family stuff is the most stressful stuff. Like when stuff happens to my family, that's the most stressful thing to me. I'm trying to think of one, like a recent one, like you, maybe the one from a long time ago. Yeah. Similar. I mean, for me, it's mostly business stuff that stresses me out the most. I would say it's, I had a new person recently. a new patient and sometimes it's stressful when I feel like I can't connect with somebody because I like to think I'm a good like, you know, connector with people. I can bring out their true selves and you know, I love talking to people and listening to them. But like, it was stressful in the moment when I'm talking to this new person. It's happened a few times where it's just like, you know, they come with me with knee pain or back pain or whatever, they post-surgical or something. And it feels like they're not like being the real them in front of you like they're trying or they're trying to like they're being and I understand that because they're in pain and you know stuff is hurting. It's stressful for me when I can't connect with them because of that. Right. You know what I mean? Because they're not being themselves. Yeah. And I understand that you know like they have really bad back pain they're post-op ACL or something. In what way do you feel like they're not being themselves? Like they're just frustrated and angry. Okay. You know what I mean? And I know In the back of my head, like that's not the real them. I see what you're saying. I have to kind of like break through that a little bit. And I don't even know what strategies I have for that. But I feel like I just kind of become myself more and I keep talking to them and listening to them. And eventually they kind of like, you know, show their true colors and they kind of let down that. you know the only thing i get equated to is like a shield or something you know what i mean like like uh it's like a shield they have i see what you're saying and it's up and i as a healthcare provider i have to kind of like take that down a little bit um when they are in pain or they're frustrated right so that stresses me out sometimes when i'm like i'm trying my best to listen to this person talk to them and they're not giving me anything you know what i mean and in the back of my head i'm like why are they even here you know to seek out my help when they're not even like telling me anything like useful or they're just mad and angry not at me but at their injury or something you know what i mean yes but i don't think i've ever had it where someone just like is like that the whole time but i think i remember just in the moment like the first 15 minutes of doing a pt evaluation with somebody and they're just frustrated they're they're angry yeah and it's not because of me it's because of their injury their pain they're having and that's what stresses me out where i'm like Want to get to know the real them behind that frustration that I have because of their injury or their surgery or their their pain that they're having so To me that that stresses me out, you know That's happened a few times but most of the time I'd like to think that I'm pretty good at like connecting with Someone's true self when they come in to see me for their back pain or neck pain or something or post-op or whatever so that I would say that for me that kind of stresses me out the most is job stuff. Like, cause I pride myself on, you know, connecting with somebody and actually being that physical therapist that actually listens to the patient and I want to like be with them and talk to them. Right. And when it's not kind of like working, I'm like, damn, this is like, this is a hard, a tough cookie to crack or tough nut to crack, whatever that metaphor is. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah, Anyways, that's what stresses me out. No, that's that I could see that being frustrating being unable to connect with somebody who's coming to you for help is very stressful. Yeah Yeah, I get that. I do understand. Have you had that where you have a new client come in and you're trying to help them and they're not giving you anything or Yeah, yeah, you know on in a different I think in a relatable way to what you said and Sometimes people come and they expect training to be magic and they want, you know, this technique to instantly be able to make them able to defend themselves against anybody, regardless of size, weight or athletic ability. So then oftentimes they're disappointed that after one class they cannot take on the world. So there's unrealistic expectations that puts a lot of pressure on us to meet these unrealistic expectations that could be challenging. sometimes ego is involved. People come in with a huge ego and you can't coach them because they feel like For some reason, even though they've sought you out and they're paying you to teach them, you have nothing to offer. So they resist your instructions, your coaching. They argue. It's very difficult to teach somebody who doesn't want to be taught. And that could be a frustrating part of the job. Managing personalities is the most difficult part of the job. Every single student has a different personality. And you have to figure out the best way to reach them and connect with them. How do you feel like you have... How did you combat that? Like, how did you get better at managing different personalities? I think you find you learn more about the person. You spend time listening rather than talking at them, right? Once you realize, I want to find out why they're here. People don't come to Mark. Very rarely do people come to our class. It's like, oh, I just want to try it. Usually there's something deeper. That might be their surface reason. That might be the reason they share with you. But usually it's something like, I want to feel better about myself. I want to be able to protect my Partner my loved ones. I usually it's something deeper than just I want to learn punches and kicks because it seems fun I want to become somebody special you see a lot with like young men that come to I want to be somebody important And they're not gonna tell you hey, I'm joining PSE because I want to be somebody important, right? Yeah, so you have to kind of really really find out why they're there and that you can that way I can help them and as a coach because now we're on the same team your goal is my goal and we're in it together whereas it's hard if somebody like you said not being authentic not being vulnerable not really sharing why they're there um it could be difficult to connect with them because you don't know what their goals are what their motivation for being there is so yeah i agree when there's clear and open communication it makes our job easier i feel like for the both of us yeah i think you know again i pride myself on being that that physical therapist that Actually listens to people because I know modern health care is just like you go see your provider They see you for 10 minutes. They don't care about you. They're like, all right, whatever get out of here Mm-hmm. So like when I'm sitting with somebody and you know listening to them I think that's the best way to combat that like I said is like actually getting to know them Yeah, and then they slowly start opening up to you and you're like, all right, cool. I got them. Yeah, you know It's not a tactic. No, no, no, excuse me. I'm actually Trying to get to know the person and you know, I think listening to them and them telling you about you know Whatever they're feeling at the moment. Mm-hmm slowly but surely you start chipping away at their like their true personality and they start coming out and then They're authentic with you. You're authentic with them. Mm-hmm And there's a nice like genuine connection with healthcare provider and patient or for you client and coach or whatever And then it's like oh, it's alright cool. Like this is the real this person. Yeah, I could finally start talking to them and and Not that you weren't before, but now you can start opening up the both of you and there's that genuine connection. Exactly. And I get it. People have their guard up sometimes, and that's fine. Again, we perceive things as threats. So we don't really know who this person is. So let me put up my shield for a second. And then once they kind of know that you're actually in my position, like, I want to actually help them and listen to them. They're like, oh, Jerry's actually listening to me more than 10 minutes. Let me actually tell him why my, or what happened with my knee, why my back is hurting. He has time for me to, you know, tell him what actually happened instead of trying to shoo me away with something. But I think that's huge when it comes to talking with people and connecting with people and making that less of a stressful situation because you're actually listening to somebody and having them open up to you. Absolutely. Yeah. We only have like five minutes left or like two minutes left. But like I did want to ask you about this is again way off topic. But did you watch the Tom Aspinall? fight? I did, man. I did. What did you think about the stoppage? I think... No one get out of here. Yeah, no, I think I always give the professional fighter who has proven himself time and time again the benefit of the doubt. Do I think Tom Espinel is looking for an easy way out? No, I don't think so. And when you see the... It's so easy for people who have never... You don't need to be a fighter on their level to be able to critique. I think some of the greatest... Critics, analysts, coaches have never fought at that level, right? So I don't like that thing, "Oh, well, you've never been there." No, but just have you ever had anything even touch your eye by accident? - Have you got your eye poked before in a fight or not? - Not significantly in a fight. In training more so, and it's miserable. It's so painful. You can't, you're distracted. When you see the slow motion replay, how deep that finger went in his eye. - Stereo gun, huge fingers. - No way, there's no way. And he shouldn't have continued. Because statistically, most people that continue after an injury or a penalty like that, whether they're kicked in the cup strongly, poked in the eye, statistically speaking, more often than not, they lose. Because it's very hard to come back from that, right? I mean, it makes sense, yeah. So I think he did exactly what he should do as a professional athlete is an illegal technique was used against me. This is not fair. I am now at a huge disadvantage. This should be a fair fight. So yeah, people who say he was scared or He's not scared, right? That's so silly. Like, yeah, he's not scared of Cyril Ghosn. He was the heavy favorite to win. I think he would have won. And even if he didn't, I think he would have won. Cyril Ghosn is not as complete of an MMA fighter as Aspinall is. He's a much better striker, of course. But I don't think Aspinall is looking for an easy way out. That's a really silly... silly statement that I've seen made online several times and I don't buy it yeah he's a big strong UFC heavyweight like why would he be afraid of anybody he's not especially he's getting paid right like why would he not want to fight this is the last thing he wants he wants to win this fight in dominating fashion and you know cement his legacy I'm sure both of them right now are like happy because this builds a lot more anticipation for the second fight to make even more money and more drama and more pay-per-view sales so it's it's good for both of them to yeah that this happened in a way it sucks for us as the viewers to be like like i was looking forward to that fight and then just hopefully his eye fully recovers too apparently his father said his eye is still not recovered he's having trouble seeing out of it i mean this could be a serious injury for all we know we don't know the details but yeah this could be a career ending injury eye injuries are horrible so that's not good yeah um Yeah, so you got Tom Aspinall winning regardless? I think so. I think he's a more well-rounded fighter, and usually the more well-rounded fighter who can implement the game plan... I think eventually he would have taken him down. I think so. I think so, yeah. With something. With something, yeah. And then either ground and pound or some sort of submission, but... That's why hopefully the next fight actually goes, you know, longer than one round. It's interesting. Leon Edwards, Bilal Muhammad. Remember they fought and everyone was like, Oh, Leon was lighting them up and blah. And then look what happened when they fought the full five rounds. Right. So I think this was a similar situation. Story to play out within those five rounds. Exactly. Like ups and downs. Yep. So you never know after one round, barely. Exactly. Um, but yep. That's our Halloween episode. Um, Do you want to plug anything? The same thing I always plug, Phoenix Sports Empire. Come a part of our flock and join. is that i said flock one time in the show right okay i should have said it more um please join phoenix sports empire oh hey there you go hey guys uh join psc if you're looking for a fun positive and great place to train to learn boxing kickboxing jiu jitsu i'd love for you to come and check out our gym i mean look at him he could train with a chef come on right here where else would you get instruction from a guy dressed like this so yeah uh please follow if you're not If you're not in the area, check us out on social media, Phoenix Sports Empire. We're on Instagram. We're on TikTok and Facebook. Shoot us a message. If you have questions about fighting, self-defense, I do self-defense workshops. I travel all around doing them. If your office or organization or fraternity or sorority or group needs a self-defense workshop, I got you covered. I am a professional despite my appearance today, and I promise I'll do a great job and leave you very happy with the experience. great coach right here thanks if you want to get physical therapy from a guy that looks like me then you know you could go to my website which is www.artofpt.com My Instagram is at APT.G. I have my same thing as threads at APT.G, which are you on threads still or no? I don't have one for my bit. I have one like my personal one. I have, I, I should use it more. I kind of like it. I like it. Yeah. It's cool. People seem less weird on me. Yeah. You might be right. It's going to get weird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My website, art of PT.com newsletter.com. It is, I can't remember right now, top of my head. It's the PT Handbook. There should be a link in the description somewhere. My Instagram's on there. My threads is on there. My newsletter's on there. Website's on there. And anything else I want to plug. My ebook should also be in there. My free back pain ebook should be in the YouTube description. Hopefully I'll put that in there if I remember. And then that's it, guys. We'll talk to you soon. Adios.