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What is going on, everybody?
Welcome to Thursday Night CrossFit Talk.
And we have a new member.
Woo!
She's always been a member of the family.
You just signed up.
Good official.
Thank you so much, Holly.
We appreciate you in so many ways.
You're the best.
So,
I just got done watching a really
interesting movie.
called okay I haven't heard
of it so it's about the uh
game stop stock market
thing of like and while I
was going on I never like
dove into it what was going
on and all that kind of
stuff so to go back and like um
and to see what transpired
and why it transpired.
Fascinating stuff.
I have heard good things.
It was really good.
So a little recommendation.
It's on Netflix now.
Dumb money.
Really good.
Check out.
So.
Hey, Sarah.
Hey, Andrew.
And I did start Mr. and Mrs. Smith.
We watched that.
Yep.
We watched it.
Did you do the whole thing?
We did.
So I'm like three episodes in?
Yeah.
Man, it's wacky.
Yeah.
It's interesting.
Yeah.
It's no Reacher.
No.
But yeah,
we'll probably finish it off this
weekend.
Yeah.
But yeah,
I was lukewarm on the original
movie with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie.
So I didn't know whether to
go in on the series.
It was really good.
So I have heard that that opening scene,
it was Alexander Skarsgård
and the woman are supposed
to be Brad and Angelina.
They just obviously couldn't get them.
But I think that's supposed to be them.
Oh, okay.
Gotcha.
Sort of makes sense.
So it ends that story and begins.
Yeah.
So we've had a tough week as hosts.
We have.
So quick update on the
Jamie's shoulder and Scott's lungs.
We'll start with Jamie's
shoulder because I have a big question.
You found out this week,
and you're okay with me
sharing what you found out?
It is what it is.
Yeah, it's fine.
That you have a tear.
Yeah.
And it's in the labrum?
Yep.
But you're going to go ahead
and compete this year regardless?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm watching your YouTube
video of you doing toaster
bar thrusters and clean and jerk.
And you are wearing an
apparatus that goes over your shoulder.
Does that stabilize it or is
it just makes you feel better?
I think it does sort of, um,
it's a Sully shoulder brace.
Like it's a big, like,
tight neoprene thing that
with velcro um I probably
need to get better at
there's like two extra
straps that come with it to
like either either like if
you want to like have it
like pronated more pulled
back or whatever um I just
we need to do you know do
some more youtube on it to
see how to like
put those straps on.
She showed us real quick how
to do the one.
And then I got to the gym the next day.
Well, I got to the gym next day and I was,
and I texted her and I'm like warming up.
I was like, I left the brace at home,
didn't I?
He's like, yep, sitting right here.
So he brought it over right
after I'd finished the workout that day.
Um,
but I wore it for like the whole rest
of the stuff.
I had some strength stuff to do and stuff.
Um,
and we couldn't remember how to put the
one strap on.
So I've just been kind of holding,
having this, the sleeve on.
Um, but,
yeah I mean I guess I'd say
it's pretty tight so I
guess I'd say it kind of
anchors it in there but
like I didn't feel like it
did anything for toes to
bar and toes to bar was
like the one thing that
hurt it so I probably could
just like get some kinesio
tape too and get a similar
effect um but do I want to
get that taped all the time
I don't know I don't I mean
wearing this is cumbersome
as well but it is what it
is if it's gonna help me like
not feel like it's going to
come out of socket.
Um, then I'll, I'll wear it for now.
Like I remember a couple opens ago,
I did something to my knee,
had to wear like a neoprene
brace with straps and all that, man.
It's, it does stabilize the knee,
but then like you have no mobility.
Yeah.
Yeah, if I put the extra strap on,
I'm kind of curious how
much that'll limit my mobility.
I mean, I was able to do the total bar.
I was able to do snatches
with it on like two days ago.
So it's not like it's
completely restricting me.
But I've done quite several
ring muscle-ups with no pain.
So I don't know.
We'll just keep doing the little...
all my little shoulder
exercises every day and
hope that's enough.
So right now,
the only time you feel it is toes to bar.
I sort of feel it when I do
cleans that like that drive
through it's pulling here.
Um, and so like front squats, um, yeah,
stuff like that.
Well,
I'm two days into antibiotics on my
infected lungs.
And...
Still feel pretty shitty,
but I feel less shitty than
I did on Tuesday.
So Cheryl kind of challenged
me to try to get to 20 to
30 minutes on the bike to
drink a cup to two cups of
bone broth a day.
Finally got some bone broth.
Like everybody was out of it.
I was having a hard time finding it.
And then I actually got
recipes from people
Love y'all,
but I don't think I'm going to
take some chicken's feet
and put into my Instapot to
make my own bone broth.
But, you know, if we get desperate again.
That actually comes up in
Mr. and Mrs. Smith.
Okay.
They're speaking to you.
So first day I got 15
minutes in and then the
lungs just said no more.
Today I got 20.
So five more minutes.
So I got to that today.
So it's getting a little bit
better every day.
But like when I hit the end there,
there is no more.
Like, it just, there's nothing left.
So just trying to build it up each day.
And I'm doing more around the house, like,
freely.
But I ran the vacuum,
emptied out the thing, and it, like,
blew up, and then I was done.
So...
yeah so carolyn tomorrow I'm
going to go for 25. I'm
going to try to do another
five and hopefully then by
saturday I have full 30 and
I can do that for a couple
days that's the goal and
it's supposed to be like 60
degrees here so here's your
weather's just starting to
warm up uh it was nice
today uh it was warmer yesterday not like
know beach weather or
anything but you know we're
getting there darn near it
felt like yeah it was like
60 here today but it's
going right back down to 40
over the next it's gonna be
like 39 next week 40 this
weekend so yeah I think we
have 60s through saturday
oh lucky so so there's that
that's where we're at we're
we're chugging along
hopefully next week much much better
Follow up with my doctor on Monday.
We'll get some more details on that.
I hope these antibiotics
just do their job and get
you back on the right track.
I really think that whatever this is,
is what's been like my
underlying problem other
than the sinus for a while.
And so I don't think it's
just something that just occurred.
Right.
So here we are.
So we have a major
announcement that I have to
get better for.
Yeah.
So excited about this.
We are teaming up with Thick Boy Apparel,
who Jamie is sporting right now.
And they're going to start
making our apparel,
our Clydesdale Media apparel.
And it'll be cool if we can
like advance that into
merchandising some of that
out a little bit.
But one of the cool things
that's happening this year
is they are building out in
their booth a podcast area.
And we will be doing our
podcast live from their
booth at different events.
including the 2024 Arnold
here in Columbus.
So 70,000 people on a
Saturday at the Arnold,
and we're going to be doing
our podcast live.
What's going to be unique
about this and where we're
going to need your help is
the Arnold has like 150
different sporting events
that they will have going
on at the Arnold.
And we don't want to do just
CrossFit shows.
We want to highlight some of
the other things going on
at the Arnold in fitness
and in the fitness space.
So if there's anything
you're super interested in,
shoot me a DM and we'll try
to get some people on to talk about that.
Oh, Andrew will be there.
Yeah.
We'll have to bring them over.
Yeah.
Will you be there through
Saturday to Andrew?
Well, I'll be there Friday.
You'll be there Friday.
Okay.
I am.
That's first week of the
open and I have to run Friday night.
Like,
so I will not be there till Saturday.
So the other thing I'm going
to do is I'm going to walk
around the Arnold with my camera.
boom mic,
talk to people there at different
events as well.
And that'll be more of a
recorded piece that I'll
put together kind of following the event.
But we'll be doing some live
stuff from the booth as well.
Yeah.
So super stoked for that.
I've never been to the Arnold.
So I'm like, so excited.
I've always wanted to go.
I've been too many times,
but it will Sarah Cooper breaking news.
I did not see that.
I did not see it either.
I have Instagram up here.
Sweet.
Oh, Adler, Brent, Kazan, and Raptus.
That'll be good.
Uh, Lex,
I did talk to my doctor about that.
Um,
and he said that if I want to go that
route, like before semifinals, I mean,
he said not to just keep doing that.
So like pick what I want to get the,
a cortisone shot for.
So yeah,
I might do that right before semifinals.
Lex should know.
I think she's had an injury
to about every part of her body.
Good to know.
Yeah,
I tell her she needs to be wrapped in
bubble wrap.
Apparently I do too.
So here it is in 22 days, 24.1.
Jeff Adler, Alex Gazan, Brent Fikowski,
Alexis Raptus.
Does it say where?
Uh,
No.
So I'm going to try to blow
something up because this
is in our notes.
So we'll just skip right to this.
Man, I can't get it to move.
I don't want the picture to move.
Dang it.
Anyway, over here.
Competitors will also
compete bonus workouts.
For a chance to win the
Rogue Fitness Golden Barbell.
So,
there was talk on Dave's Week in Review
that there may be three or
four extra workouts done
that day in addition to
24.1 and with an
opportunity to win the Golden Barbell.
I didn't know it was Rogues
Golden Barbell till now,
but it looks like it's Rogues.
So that's going to be really
cool to see how that plays out.
I hope if they're doing
something like this,
they're going to televise
those other events or do a
recap when they come on to
the announcement.
Well,
what do you think they're doing from
11-12, these other workouts?
I think that's the pregame
show that's always been.
The way it was explained on
Week in Review is that they
would do some workouts
early in the morning and
give them enough time to
rest before the open
announcement and maybe do
one more at the close of
the televised event.
So if you do the two in the morning,
just film them and give us
a recap of those in that pregame show.
That's all I'm asking.
Are they just these athletes?
So it's going to be these
four athletes doing just
two different workouts just
for the heck of it?
I don't understand.
Well,
I think they're going to go into the
pot with the athletes who
do it on 24.2 and 24.3.
And the winner of the overall...
Oh, so interesting.
This is just to like,
essentially get some games
athletes basically pining
for a spot of the line at
live announcement because
it's your only way to get
this golden barbell.
I don't know.
And I don't really know what it signifies.
Like,
I think we talked on a round table
and Kenneth was on there
that maybe with the golden
barbell was like a golden
ticket and you got like an
automatic bid to semis or
an automatic bid to
quarters and you could skip
some workouts.
It would be worth it.
Yeah, the whole thing is just so strange,
though.
Like, who chose,
who even gets the
opportunity to try for that?
Like, it's just, I don't know.
I don't like it.
I mean, depending on what it's for,
it's not,
it's somewhat of a popularity
contest or who's someone's
favorite to get into this
running for whatever may be
the prize purse.
As typical,
this all gets thrown out there
with no explanation, no reason.
We have no idea what's going to happen.
If it's a trophy for winning
the open workout, cool.
But I don't understand why
you'd want to do extra
workouts during the day.
No.
But... It can't just be for
running the open workout if...
Cause it's a different
workout each week and it's
different people each week.
So unless, like you said,
it's just the same work, the same,
they pick in some extra
event that's going to be done each week.
I don't know, man.
That's weird.
So it's just like a select
few get to do some extra
bonus workout for a prize.
I don't know.
That's just very strange to me.
I, again, I'm just reporting the news.
I know.
I'm just,
Um, listen,
I've been a proponent of multi
event meant of multi workout open,
like Thursday through Monday, give us two,
three workouts to do just
like it is for
quarterfinals and do that
for three weeks instead of,
so we have more scores
instead of the old five week.
So the way I read this is
Carolyn's going to ask Dave, um, on his,
on his review.
So he answers the question next week.
Yes.
Thank you for that.
Carolyn.
Every question I've asked
Dave on his weekend review
never gets pulled up.
Yeah.
Just saying.
Yep.
All right.
So that's one thing out of the way.
Masters.
You have a date and a location.
No, we have the location.
Well, you know it's in Birmingham,
Alabama.
Yeah.
But they did not say what venue.
Apparently they said it,
that the Birmingham
Jefferson Convention Center.
That's what everybody's been speculating,
but I cannot find it in an announcement.
Yeah.
I...
I don't know.
I haven't seen their
response to anyone to say that,
but somebody did write.
They said somewhere it was the BJCC.
I don't know.
I talked to Joe.
I did not ask him about the venue,
but he did say that the big
delay was finding a place
big enough to hold this many athletes.
So...
Again,
if you didn't have... This is just
the most poor planning.
If you didn't have something lined up,
fairly sure of possibility,
don't split it off.
Until you have a venue locked in,
don't split it off.
This feels very rushed and
forced and put together now
at this point that I feel like
It's bound to fail.
Yeah.
I do think Legends did answer.
That's what Alyssa says.
So I'm going to go through
the general announcement
and then I'm going to read
some statements from Joe.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
So it's in Birmingham, Alabama,
August 29th to September 1st.
There will be a trial 70
plus teams of four community event.
And then my questions were,
why are we trying things out year one?
Like you just got the games.
Why now do we add extra
stuff on it and try to
figure that out in year one?
That's just a thought that
was in my head and I wrote down.
Yeah.
And then my question too was,
which has been in the comments,
why are we running the
teens and the masters on
the same weekend?
If you're splitting them off
and you're going to run it
on the same weekend,
should have just held the same place.
Absolutely.
I have gotten so many texts
from masters athletes who
are coaches of teen athletes.
And it's really putting,
a big burden on them and
they're going to have to make the choice.
Do I go coach my athlete or do I compete?
Yeah.
And,
and there's just coaches that have
both teen and adult and like, yeah,
I know you might need to
choose the team cause they
might need a little more guidance,
but that's super unfair to
a person that might be
their very first games ever.
Yes.
Coaches with athletes in both division.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So I don't think I've gotten
this much in my DMs over an
announcement from anything
that's ever been put out by
CrossFit until today.
So apparently we are the
master's show because, man.
So I asked Joe three
questions for clarification
because these are things
that came into my DMs.
One,
there's confusion whether things were
happening at the games
version of Legends or at
the community event of Legends.
Right.
So I asked him, 70 plus,
Is it at the,
and I'm gonna pull up my text
just so I have it.
I asked him, four person teams.
You call it a community event.
Is it at your community
event or is it at the games?
His answer was,
four person teams will
happen at the Masters games.
It is a community event and
should be very fun for everyone.
It is not an official games division.
but it will be held at the games.
I asked him about the 70
plus because it was also,
it's not going to be
recognized as a games event
or a games division.
It wasn't going to be tried
at the community event or at the games.
It as well will be held at the games.
You still have to go through the open.
There is a special hashtag
you have to use to enter
so that they can find you to
put you on a leaderboard.
It just won't be an official division,
but you'll get to
participate at the games
with the other athletes.
And then my lungs need a small break.
And then I asked him the big question.
And I get the phrasing.
The dates overlapping the
team competition.
Was this intentional or
unavoidable for this year?
And are you looking to
rectify that year too?
The answer was not intentional at all.
Finding a venue the size and
space we need was very difficult.
And that weekend was where
we had the land.
We will see how this year
goes and make a decision if
we need to rectify anything.
Those are statements from Joe Linton,
event organizer for the
Masters Legends event, games event.
Yeah, I think they just,
I think CrossFit in general.
So Andrew,
everyone seems to think it's
easy to find dates and
venues that work for an event.
Most venues are booked way
further in advance.
Exactly.
Figure it out, get it booked,
then choose to split it off.
The fact that it's that hard
and you need to book that
far in advance means this
shouldn't have happened this year.
There are parents competing
who have teens competing.
It is the largest duo fan base.
You're probably not going to
get very many of the
individuals to come to
either of these events.
But of these two events...
a pretty decent crowd would
go to both if they were on
different weekends.
You're going to half the
spectatorship and even the
live viewership and
we're going to get to the
end of this and they're going to be like,
this was a giant fail for both of these.
There wasn't enough viewership.
There wasn't enough attendance.
And then they're going to be like,
we need to scrap this and
they'll just have their own
community events.
That's what I worry is going
to happen because of this situation.
Maybe they will truly take
into consideration that it was the
doubling up of the events
and try to find a separate
weekend for masters in the
future or find a venue that
they can be done at
together I and that sucks
because I do think pitt is
a spectacular place but if
you are going to put them
on the same weekend they
have to be done together so for years now
CrossFit has been in the
habit of settling on dates
for an event without a venue in hand.
Yeah.
And here it has led to another,
in my opinion, catastrophe.
Yeah, absolutely.
What did they... I mean...
like maybe they had another venue in,
in mind and it was too
expensive that weekend or like,
and who knows what they
ended up having to settle
just to get this one.
Like, again,
I feel like next they've
agreed that price purses
are going to stay the same this year.
But what I think is going to
end up happening is they're
going to be like,
this actually is costing us more.
These venues are too expensive.
We can't support this.
So price purses are dropping
significantly.
The following year,
like they'll probably stick
to what they said this year.
Viewership won't be there.
They'll drop the budget a ton.
And it's all because it was
rolled out completely incorrectly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Carolyn,
I think CrossFit made decisions to
just save money on the sport this year.
Yes.
But then does it come down to the,
to a place where they
aren't even saving money
because they don't,
didn't have it planned and
set and like budgeted properly.
And then you're just got to
throw money at a venue.
Like, I mean,
maybe it will still save them money,
but who knows?
So I want to highlight.
So LDY on a couple of things
probably should have asked about prizes.
They're being run by CrossFit,
not by legends.
They're the same standard as last year.
They responded to my comment
and said the prizes are the
same as last year from the games.
They did respond in writing
that that is remaining the
same as it was last year.
Here is the sneaky big news.
If this crushes the Masters...
Don't bet it will trickle
down to less participation in the open.
If you lose the Masters as a competition,
you are going to lose
thousands and thousands of
dollars in lost open participation.
Because if there's nowhere
to go from there,
people aren't going to sign up.
Right.
And I mean,
I feel like the only way around
that is somehow for them
enforcing Legends to still
use open participation for
like even the Legends December event.
And that would be very unfortunate.
And I would hope that
Legends would be able to be like, no,
I mean, but yeah,
that's exactly what would happen.
And I want to speak to
correct what Carolyn said.
If you're truly trying to save money,
the teens, the teens and the math,
the teams don't have a huge
footprint to add to the masters.
Why not just they w they've
been competing together for years.
Why not have that one event, one venue,
one cost.
Well,
They go hand in hand because, like,
the kids that go with their
parents and see this are
the kids that get drawn into the sport.
And then they compete.
And the parents that compete
want to go watch their kids, of course.
Like, it's just crazy.
It's got to be separate by a
couple weekends or same venue.
I mean, I personally think same venue...
would be great.
I just,
it would suck for Pitt because
there's really no,
there's no way you could do
masters at Pitt that it's not big enough.
I don't know.
Yeah,
we can talk to Pitt and see if they
were contacted.
The problem is they rolled that out.
what in September of last
year and told them that they have,
they are getting the games.
Like, I mean,
cart was way before the horse
on this one way before.
And just to answer Andrew back here,
the semifinals when
CrossFit took them over
announced dates for West
and East when they did not
have the venue set up.
that's how we ended up with
an abandoned grocery store
in pasadena yeah I as for
the community events um
like I totally get your
point like man we're
struggling to even get this
rolled out correctly like
can we at least do one
thing right um so I totally
get that but I do think
one of the best ways to get
some more spectatorship
there is to have something
like this community event
and bring in some of these
other masters age athletes
that aren't quite there to
do these team events.
I mean,
I've a lot of people seem super
excited about it.
So I do think it's going to
bring in some foot traffic
that maybe otherwise would
have avoided the venue altogether.
So it's not the, I mean,
I think on one hand it's,
it's got definitely a role to play.
Excited and willing to travel?
Yeah.
Honestly,
I've already talked to a couple
people that are so excited
to see you this year.
With the team thing,
I think I'm going to come
and try to put a team together.
I've already talked to a
couple people that said that.
They're working on putting a
team together.
Okay.
That area is flush with... It's...
It seems to be a good
centrally located area for
that fittest of the coast crash.
That type of area brings in
tons of people willing to
travel a few hours.
And so I think on that hand,
I think not going West
Coast or wherever else they
may have been looking,
they picked a good location
in that regard.
yeah, I, I like the location.
Um, it's going to be hot.
It sounds like it's all indoors.
I mean,
Jason Grubb has been all over the
socials about this and from
reading comments,
he seems to have a whole
lot of knowledge already.
Um, he was the one who said BJCC.
So it seems like he are, I don't know,
has a ton of knowledge.
Um,
And I, I mean, I think he based, well,
he said the weather wasn't that bad then,
but like average temperature that time.
But I think a lot of people
think it's an indoor convention center.
Yeah, it would be nice.
I mean,
I think when it was rumored to be
the game site,
there were a lot of offsite locations,
like right beside the BJCC,
and that you could do some
outdoor runs or bikes or whatever,
if need be.
And maybe it turns out to be
a really cool venue and event.
It sounds big like Fort Wayne.
Okay.
Okay.
Um,
so maybe we get the best of both worlds.
I just, I hate the same weekend thing.
I can't get it over it either.
I'm in one hand.
It makes me want to like go
fix my shoulder and boycott
this season and cover teams.
And, um,
I was so frustrated when that
announcement came out.
I could not believe it.
Yeah.
It makes me sick because we
had plans with this show to
go full in coverage on the
teens and the age groups in
masters this year.
And now we've got to figure
that out if it's even possible.
I know.
And it stinks.
So, so that's the masters talk.
Next up, friend of the show,
Christine Kohlenbrander
announced she will not be
participating in the 2024
CrossFit Games season due
to a back injury.
And as someone who has had
12 procedures on his back, man,
it's a tough road to hoe.
And she's been dealing with
it a long time thinking
that it was just normal pain.
And apparently it just got to be too much.
And she did not look right at rogue.
No,
because I wanted to use her in the heat
one app for some lifts and
I failed miserably.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Strong.
She is very strong.
My first view of her as an
individual athlete was at
the Mac in 21 when she beat
Tia and Amanda on the lift.
And that was on freaking real.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Her snatches like incredible.
It just blows my mind.
So my next thing up,
and maybe Andrew knows, last night,
Savon announced that Keith
Knapp is no longer with CrossFit HQ.
I know he's opening an
affiliate in Cincinnati.
The words were, he's moving on.
He was let go.
He was fired.
I've reached out to Keith.
I've not gotten a response
yet to verify this.
And I can't find any other
verification other than
what Siobhan said last night.
And I don't know if it's him
going all in to open his
own affiliate or what happened.
But I've known Keith for a
couple of years.
He's kind of the guy who
from CrossFit HQ that mans
the media room for us.
He was the director of marketing, Carolyn.
So not the chief marketing officer.
no his title on his
instagram and other places
say director of marketing
okay I met him in orlando
um maybe before that but
anyway we had a long talk
in orlando and then at the
games he kind of manned the
media area um to take any
questions from media
members and was willing to find out
what was going on in Kenneth.
That's exactly why I'm
posing it all this way, because this,
the way he did the news,
half of it was satirical.
Half of it was real.
He did not say allegedly or supposedly,
or any of those words in
the Keith Knapp story.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I think it's true,
but I don't know.
Maybe he'll respond to you.
Maybe we can get him on.
Yeah, I don't know.
Super nice guy.
Father of four.
And again,
opening an affiliate in like a
week in Cincinnati.
So wish him well in whatever he does.
And I hope the affiliate does well.
Yeah.
But he was becoming more active on social.
Yeah, it's got I mean,
it takes quite the effort
to open an affiliate.
Like if that's where you're
putting your eggs,
I can't imagine he was
flourishing at his job.
But I mean, maybe he was.
Yeah.
And then on his social today,
he did post like a
superhero story about Kevin
Ogar and his wife and all
they do for the adaptive division.
And that was today after
this was announced.
So I'm just clueless.
Yeah.
All right.
The next thing on topic is I
was listening to Athena and
Hiller's weekly discussion
about the weight loss stuff
that they go on and they're
preparing for the open.
And in preparing for the open, they are,
Hiller has her doing one
open workout from the past every Friday.
Very typical of what happens
in the affiliates.
But they got into this discussion,
should the open have a scale division?
It does.
Right, but should it?
Sure, I think that's fine.
Hiller was very adamantly opposed to it.
Oh.
Why?
Because it stops people from
pushing to the next level
because they can just stay unscaled?
so in dave's we can review
that question was posed
this is actually where I
thought you were going with
it um and somebody asked
should have you considered
taking that like making a
scale go to quarterfinals
so the top 10 percent of
ski yeah now that I heard
that is insane like
absolutely not because then
you get then you get people
26th percentile or even 25th percentile
doing scaled and winning it
just to take like that's
just silly like if you're
in that borderline yes you
need to keep pushing those
skills to move up um but to
just have a scaled for the
open that I mean that's
just sort of your choice
it's not you're literally
not going anywhere and
you're not you're going to
the bottom of even somebody
who does one rep so I don't
know why you would
necessarily go that route
instead of trying to get one,
get some of whatever the movement is.
No, I think, I think they need the scale.
You have to make it somewhat
more approachable.
So here, here's, I'm kind of in between.
I started the open in 2013.
There was no scale division.
Right.
Right.
So, but it, it all was,
it all had an entry level.
that I could handle.
Right.
Yeah.
So I, I scored on every workout.
Um,
and there were moments where I hung
from a pull up bar for
eight minutes to try to get, and, um,
we weren't affiliated at the time.
So it's out on YouTube
somewhere if you want to go see it.
It pushed me to want to get those reps.
It pushed me to do goat work
after class because I
didn't want to have a video
of me hanging on a
pull-apart for the next year.
Then came the scale division,
which I could do pretty
much everything in the scale division.
However, as a Clydesdale...
what always gets scaled is
the weight yes and it's
very frustrating because
it's not the weight that's
holding me back it's some
of the other stuff so I
believe that before we add
the scale division you go
as far as you can go and then your coach
builds you the rest of your
workout that you don't get
to put down on the scoreboard,
but gives you the workout for the day.
And it's scaled appropriately for you,
not the template for the world.
You are asking a lot of
affiliate owners at a very busy time.
Because I already kind of do
all of that because we're a
level method gym.
And it's... No, that's not... Like,
they have...
they have progressed the
open to a point where it is
not approachable for like
yeah like 14.3 or whatever
it was with the ascending
weight and rep deadlifts
and box jumps which you
could step back then was
very approachable for
almost everybody I think it
started out at like
135 95 deadlifts and you
could step up your box like
sure that was appropriate
you don't see that anymore
it was just 225 155
deadlifts with far-facing
burpees like there are
people who can't even start
that workout um scaled
still sees pull-ups and
that's where many people
get stuck regardless of weight um
And you're going to you're
going to go push for those.
I had people walk into the
gym last was it last year,
two years ago when the
gymnastics progressed and they were like,
I can't do I can't do skilled.
I need to do the foundations.
And I'm like, what are you talking about?
They're like, well,
I can't do that pull up at the end.
I'm like, good luck even getting there.
Like.
You know, you're missing the point.
And that's, if you only had RX,
that's how all of my members would be.
They would just be like,
I'm not even doing this.
And I would have to coddle
them and figure out,
you have to have skill.
I think I progressed less.
I progressed less when it
went to scaled and I had less fun.
If you're truly that competitive,
you're going to push for RX.
Yeah.
And I don't know.
It just,
I think you could level method it
where here's workout a B
and C for scaling options.
If you can do the weights, here's a,
if you need the gymnastics
or if you can do the
gymnastics and not the weights, here's B.
Yeah,
and then you get people who don't
understand the concept of
scaling and just pick
whatever one they want to
do because these are options,
and then they put RX.
It would be an absolute disaster.
I can already picture that in my gym.
I give those options,
and people will put RX
because they don't understand.
No, that's a mess.
Just because it's hard
doesn't mean we shouldn't look at it.
You're going to have eight
different leaderboard options?
No,
I'm saying you go back to just one RX
and if you can only do the 10 thrusters,
you're done.
The rest of the workout is
for your fitness and
getting better for next year.
I don't know.
So...
In that instance,
we basically will tell
people to just do your 10
or whatever and then do the
scaled workout for fitness.
At least it's there.
Yeah, but the scaled workout sucks.
It doesn't suck.
The scaled workouts last
year were plenty challenging for people.
Do you know why the name of
the show or the name of the
media company is Clydesdale?
Because I truly believed
when I was back in my teens,
there was a running division.
If you were over 200 pounds,
you were a Clydesdale.
Yeah.
We have nothing in CrossFit
for those people.
No.
And the scaled version is
super lightweights and more
burpees and more.
Yeah.
The stuff that probably you need.
Life isn't scale for you.
Are you going to help me
with a chest-to-bar pull-up?
Sure, I will.
No.
There are still pull-ups in scale.
When they first went to scale,
I could still do pull-ups.
That wasn't my problem.
I could do regular pull-ups.
I couldn't do chest-to-bar.
That's all you do.
Could you do the pull-ups very fast?
I could string five, six, seven.
I don't know.
I mean, I know they have the 65 pounds.
So it was like, of course,
messing with the rest of my workout.
Yeah.
but that's fine.
I could do the pull-ups.
Then you, then I,
my other option is to go scaled.
And now I'm doing like at
times like a push press
instead of a pushup or it just,
you know what I mean?
Some of the scaling is very, very,
I just don't think it's done well.
There is no option for the
bigger athlete coming down in weight.
There's plenty of options
for the not strong athlete coming in.
I don't know if I agree with that.
I mean, that's exactly, I feel like,
how this works.
uh yeah I think it's changed
a lot since then you still
get to do a lift and see
where like you there was
still a lift for scaled
they still got to show off
their weight moving
abilities okay I i I think
this is a hill I'm willing
to die on but maybe I think
things are different than when you were
I've done the open every
year from 2013 to now.
And you didn't think scale
last year was challenging enough.
No, I think it drops so far.
Hmm.
So it's, I mean,
if you want to lift weights,
go with weights.
Like CrossFit is about being
fit and like you need to get fitter.
I'm not, I'm not saying.
Okay.
All right, whatever.
Carolyn's right.
You just need to go harder.
You need to move faster.
If it's that light for you,
it should be so easy for
you to do those 30
deadlifts and move on that
you crush the 112-pound
athlete who is going to
come back and match you on
the pull-up skill.
If you're truly that strong,
that should have no
interference on your workout.
You should be able to go
fast at everything else.
I can't yell tonight because of my lungs.
It,
I am telling you in the years I did not
have a scaled option.
It pushed me to do way more to get better.
And I think we've lost a
piece of that along the way.
And I don't know when scaled came in, what,
15 or 16, somewhere in there.
I want to say 15,
but it could have been 16.
That was right before the
cliff of open registrations.
Well, 18 was like the biggest.
Yeah.
So I actually feel like the
introduction of scale
brought in even more people.
And then they didn't like it
and they left.
That is not what happened, Scott.
Come on.
I don't know.
I just, from personal experience,
I really enjoyed the fear,
the competition against
myself without an option to go scaled.
So don't go scaled.
In your mind,
if that's how you want to
attack the sport, don't do scaled.
Always make yourself go RX.
Like,
I probably have some hard-headed
athletes that will be that way,
and that's fine.
But, like, yeah,
just tell yourself you're
always going to do RX.
You're always going to go
for that one rep.
You are going to keep
pushing yourself for that.
Like, you don't want to look at it.
But there needs to be a scaled option.
Okay.
Says you.
Again,
don't have enough air in my lungs to
fight you tonight.
So we may have to bring this
up again during the open.
But you have a lot of
backers in the comments.
I do want LDY 2742 gave us 199.
So all I need scaled is double unders.
I used to love double unders.
Tristan says at the bottom
of this conversation is the
difference between sport and health.
Yes.
Screw health.
If you don't have the scaled
option and then you push
the sport side too much in the affiliates,
you are doing a disservice
to many of your members.
I have people in there that
don't necessarily need to
be pushing 225 or 155 pound deadlifts.
It's probably going to lead
like 150 deadlifts at that
weight is probably going to
lead to an injury and is not necessary.
Or trying to rep out
pull-ups is going to tear their shoulder.
Like it's just not really
necessary unless you're
pushing the sport side.
And that is not for everybody.
Yes, Caroline, I totally agree.
I'm not saying you don't get
a good workout.
I'm saying scale it
appropriately for your abilities.
That's all.
I guess I fail to see your
argument where like,
so say you can do the...
225 because I see this a lot
in in some of my members
that are very strong
especially like in
squatting and dead lifting
but you pair that with
literally any literally
anything else air squats
box push-ups I'm not even
putting them down to the
ground and they no longer
can move that 225 well or fast
And they're in it.
Like I told you,
that should be you're
telling me that you can move that so well,
then I want to see you move
it so well that there is
zero interference when it
comes to the other movement.
But they stop and they stand
around and are doing
singles on a deadlift that.
Scale that back to and
actually push the other movement,
the deadlift.
cardio the gymnastics that
is hard for you I get that
you're strong but you are
not fit enough to be move
the weight way down and
move fast and move fast
through everything okay I
am not saying there's
anything wrong with scaling
workouts at an affiliate
My thing was, okay, 2013,
my first ever open.
I scaled a lot of workouts.
I only did a handful of workouts RX,
right?
But then this one moment of the year,
I had to step up my game
and try things that I
hadn't been pushing myself
to try all year round.
I understand.
Then I do a chest to bar
pull up and I come like that close.
but I don't get it.
Right.
And then that gives me the
fire to like now work on
chest to bar pull-ups in my off time.
It's not about an ego that I
don't want to be scaled
because I'm scaled 80% of
the time in class workouts.
Anyway,
it's that this gives me the one
moment a year to rise up
and fight for myself and
try something that I have
not been trying the whole year.
I understand.
I think the sport has, like,
comparing an open workout
from 2013 that pushed you
is completely different
than looking at a 2023
workout and figuring out.
And I also think you're in
two different places to even think, like,
to be objective about that.
Like,
the sport has come an incredible way.
And I think the scaled
workouts are tougher than
you might think.
I think they're still a good workout.
I've done the scaled.
They are hard.
So you got the pull-ups last year.
It's not about me not
getting a good workout
because I can push it and I can do,
but it's one day.
I don't do the open workout six times.
I do it once.
And in that one moment,
I just want to try.
I want to try to see,
and I'm saying this from,
if I were a healthy athlete,
like right now,
I'm not a healthy athlete.
So this doesn't matter in this year.
That one moment, three weeks a year,
I wanted three days a year.
I just want to see,
I just want to see myself give it a shot.
Do it.
You should try the RX every year.
That's all.
And I think that, yes,
and I do do that when I'm healthy.
I try to go RX.
Good.
But I think that we've lost
our way a little bit,
that there are times...
that you need to push
yourself to be better,
to find out what your body can do,
to find out what all this
work that you've been doing,
scaling back has led to.
I think too many athletes
get stuck in the scaled.
Sure.
Yeah.
And don't ever try to get out of it.
Yeah.
I have, I have several people who are,
are complacent there.
And I,
It is what it is.
I mean,
they're the type of people that
probably would quit if,
if RX was the only option.
So like,
I think if you are somebody like
you who like wants that challenge,
then you're going to
challenge yourself and you
will just try to do an RX
workout every week.
And if it's a no, if you get one rep,
I would hope you would be like, okay,
I'm either,
I am going to either just cut
it here and do this,
or I'll do the scaled workout too.
10 minutes later or the next
day or however you want to do it.
Yeah,
you should absolutely try to do the RX.
And beyond me,
I think we've lost the open moments,
right?
So here, Amanda, I'm with you, Scott.
Got my first dubs in my
first ever open workout.
Wouldn't have tried them if
I had a scaled option.
And I'm betting her gym
exploded when she got her double under.
I've seen it in my gym a thousand times.
But we don't see that anymore.
Because with the scaled option,
not enough people are
jumping at the chance to
try to do that for the first time.
See,
I had members get their first pull-up
in that scaled workout.
And we were jumping for joy for them.
Okay.
Okay.
And I mean, I'm trying to think, I don't,
nobody got a ring muscle up, but like,
I mean, you had the opportunity to get a,
your first ring muscle up ever last year.
And I got mine.
Yeah.
No ring turnover.
So I, um, well,
this was a good conversation.
Sorry,
I'm beating up on you when you can't
play back.
And I think I won that argument.
So with that, we will move.
I don't know.
I don't know about that.
I'm sorry.
Oh, I'm trying to... Go.
I love it when Jamie and Scott disagree.
Too many other shows,
people are so hesitant to
have differing opinions.
If you want to be in an
Airbnb during a competition weekend,
we disagree about 90% of the time.
Yeah.
Alex says, can you try RX?
Then if you can't do most of the workout,
do the scaled version and
get a good workout in.
I'm saying...
Why can't I stop and scale
the rest of the workout
appropriately for myself
and still get a good workout in?
You personally can.
My RX score is going to be my RX score.
Sure.
I think you personally can.
I don't think that you
should ask that of...
affiliate owners to put that together and,
and sit there like it's,
it's a daunting task to run
Friday Night Lights or ever
however you run it.
Um,
I just think I think that's asking a lot.
Okay.
Well,
we'll save some of this heat for the
open one seat.
Yeah,
when we see the workouts and what
skill workouts and then we
can discuss them.
Yeah.
And Candace says, all right,
let's talk about pissy Josh Bridges.
I didn't even have this in my notes.
What happened?
I did not catch any of this.
So Coffee Pods and Wads does
Around the Whiteboard where
they ask the three
questions of three panelists.
Josh Bridges was one of them.
The final question was,
is Hiller good for CrossFit?
Oh.
And Josh Bridges was like, absolutely not.
Interesting.
It was basically that he
doesn't bring anything to the table.
All he does is criticize
those who are bringing
things to the table.
Maybe slightly less recently,
but I will say the one
thing I liked about Hiller was that
Usually, if he brought up a topic,
he would supply some
feedback or solution.
I don't think it was all just like,
they did this and they stopped.
For the most part,
he tries to provide a solution.
I would agree with that in the early days.
Yeah.
I said maybe lately it's
been a little less.
I think lately he picks some
of the athletes that give
him more views and more clicks.
And he's admitted that he is
trying to get more views and clicks.
And I think that's where he loses.
But while I understand he's doing it,
I think that's where he
loses his objectivity about
being the guy that's coming
in and checking everything.
Yeah.
The same people over and
over and over again.
Well, I feel like until they're,
CrossFit's not doing
themselves any favors, right?
I found it very interesting
on Dave's Week in Review
when the question was asked about, like,
holding yourself to a
standard and what do you do, like,
feel like maybe the
standard's not going to be
held in your affiliate.
And he was like, his response was,
you know, like,
you need to hold yourself
to a standard and then maybe, like,
challenge your owner to, he's like,
basically, it should start from the top.
He's like,
your owner should set that standard.
And he goes, well,
it should start from the top.
It should start from us.
and that is hillar's issue
and that is the problem and
until we see change and
that you are killer's gonna
just keep pounding that
home and especially what
like you need to make you
like you need to actually
make an example out of some
of these he's given plenty
of opportunity like
actually invalidate hip and steel score,
actually invalidate Danny
Spiegel's score.
And they aren't actually
taking steps to show that
they are changing anything
or being held accountable.
So they're making it easy
for him to just keep
hammering the same person
and showing until they're
going to fix it.
But they did publicly
announce they're doing a
paid online judges review
team to do things like that.
I will say just the Josh
being pissy thing.
Josh admitted that he
doesn't watch Hiller.
Then how can you sit there and... Right.
But it doesn't mean that it
wasn't a good question.
Now, I will say this.
I like his videos like his
Bill Leahy video he just did this week.
he followed him around uh
southland camp and
highlighted him I thought
that was great yeah so
carolyn says the problem is
people that can no longer
think for themselves
anymore and literally
anything he says they're
just on board and attack people
Hiller did a video about the
affiliate owner in
Wisconsin trying to get 30
new members in 30 days.
That was a great video.
When he's doing that stuff,
I think that's awesome.
The clickbaity stuff, not for me.
But he says and admits it
that he does those to have
enough money to go do the others.
Yep.
Can't totally blame the guy.
And I think those videos he
does Joe Neals.
Yeah.
I think those videos he's
good for CrossFit.
Yeah.
I think the Athena videos
he's doing now helping her out.
This is going to be good for CrossFit.
Um,
So for me,
the question is more about the
overall Hiller,
not just the bat signal guy.
And cause I think he's well past that,
but it is open season is coming.
So I'm sure the bat signal
will be back in full force
for a few weeks.
Now, now clock lump us all together.
All right.
So I have one more thing before we go.
And that is,
are we getting an era of super
teams again?
Well, no,
because you still have to do the
workouts together.
That's true.
You just come together for the, yeah,
yeah.
Yeah.
They got rid of the hundred
of what we know already.
We have a Noah Tola,
Matilde and Lena Richter team.
We have Cara, Emily DeRoy, Conn,
and James Newberry.
We just announced Elliot and
Jamie Simmons with Mia
Hesketh and Christophe Horvath.
Interesting.
There are some rumors
circling around Invictus
involving Chandler Smith.
Well, that will be sad.
Why do you say that?
Because I would want him with Noah.
I think that they at
Waterpalooza Chandler
announced that Tola was a
better fit for Noah.
And so he gave up his position for that.
Interesting.
I mean, Tola is an incredible athlete.
I think that dude gets
overlooked way too much, but I mean,
Well,
unless he's going to be with his wife,
I'm not here for it.
And then I hear Jamie Latimer has a team.
We do have a team.
Well?
Well,
we're going to put the announcement
out pretty soon.
These kids can't do their
job and get signed up.
So I need them to actually
get signed up so we can put
the official post out.
Yeah,
we've got two X team athletes and two
Masters athletes.
We'll see how that works out.
Jeff DiPerna, myself, Haley Rolfe,
and Azariah Price.
Azariah?
Dang.
Yeah, I mean, it'd be cool just to, I mean,
really,
we're just trying to get to
quarterfinals and do some
workouts together.
But they lowered the number
to like 30 going into semi,
so it is what it is.
I think it was 30 last year.
No, it was more than that.
That made it.
so um so now my question is
with these super teams will
it bring any interest back
to the team division
because last year really
fell short um I do think
with getting rid of like
the fact that there's only individuals
well, individuals and teams,
you either can watch the
individuals when that's not going on,
you're going to have to get
drawn into the team.
So I do think that's going
to ramp that viewership up for sure.
Yeah,
it was 40 at semis for teams last year.
Thank you, Tristan.
Yeah, I would have said that
it would take rich coming
back or like a mat coming
back or something like that for me,
for me personally,
to get interested again, but man,
car Saunders back on the floor.
Noah in the team division,
Elliot and Jamie Simmons.
Like, okay.
You just counted Jamie out.
I did.
And apparently she did too,
because she's going team.
Oh man.
Yeah.
Oh, Scott.
And I want to correct myself
from last week.
We talked about who didn't
make the games last year
should make it this year.
Okay.
And I said Anika,
which I truly believe she's
going to make it.
But I've been watching a lot
of videos of a very dear friend of ours,
Carolyn Prevost.
She's looking very fit.
I have been watching a lot
of those videos as well.
Yeah.
And I want to put my money
behind that athlete as well.
Good choice.
Cause I think she'll make it back.
We are, we are a Canadian show.
So I kept my picks to both Canadian.
How we roll.
When are we going to get the
Canadian super team?
Pat Brent.
I, that would be the day, man.
I would love it.
So, Oh, Lexa,
she better make it back with a fist.
That's great.
Yeah.
So anyway,
I think we had enough hot topics tonight.
What'd you think?
Yeah.
We got spin fall.
We got to put together our
invites to put together our pulse.
We'll probably talk about
where we have everybody
ranked once we submit that.
Um, and, uh,
and that we,
that's the one place we usually agree.
That's true.
If we like super agree on some things,
then we super disagree on some things.
Yeah.
But, uh, can't wait for the season.
It's getting ever close.
And, uh, yeah.
With that.
We'll let you guys all go.
It's been a fun night.
We'll be back next Thursday
night for Thursday night CrossFit talk.
Thank you so much, guys.
We'll see you later.