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Welcome to the Revenue Rebels podcast, hosted by Alan Zhao, Co-Founder of Warmly.ai.
We feature B2B SaaS revenue leaders who have challenged traditional methods to achieve remarkable results.
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Alex Minor: [00:00:00] The more you post, the more they're going to reward you. The way that I say it is that you have to feed the beast. These platforms are hungry. They feed off your content. Like if you don't give them content, they have nothing to give to anybody else. They are dependent on you. So the people that help them the most.
Alex Minor: They're going to reward the moment. Descript does a great job of not only partnering with other creatives to get UGC content, but they also have dedicated creators on staff that are doing tutorials that are, uh, always putting out something, you know, just to help users learn how to use the product better.
Alex Minor: The idea of flopping should not even enter your mind when you first start creating content. There is no flopping. Creating the content and putting it out is the win. I would say for most folks, until you even get at least a year in, you can't really call anything a flop.[00:01:00]
Alan Zhao: Welcome to the Revenue Rebels podcast brought to you by Warmly. On this show, we cut straight through the fluff and dive deep into the specific tactics that B2B revenue leaders across sales and marketing are using to find success in today's environment. I'm your host, Alan Zhao. All right, today we have on Alex Minor.
Alan Zhao: He's a podcast producer, video marketing strategist, and founder of I Am Media. Alex specializes in helping businesses harness the power of video content to reach their dream customers. He has a music background, his past life being a rapper, and he was also an audio engineer. Then he shifted focus to video on social media platforms like YouTube, LinkedIn, and TikTok.
Alan Zhao: So today we'll be talking about video content in the B2B context. Let's get started. Welcome, Alex.
Alex Minor: Thank you, man. I appreciate you having me on.
Alan Zhao: Let's get into a quick background about yourself and then we'll dive into the topics.
Alex Minor: Yeah, basically you covered most of it. Um, I moved down to Florida in 2004 ish to go [00:02:00] to school at full sale, to get my degree in audio engineering from there.
Alex Minor: Um, I eventually wound up working in television news for a few years. Then I went into the corporate events industry and that's where I first picked up a camera and, you know, dabbling with the camera on my own time. Um, Helping my wife out at the time with her social media and then, you know, wanting to get into music videos and short film and stuff, uh, eventually led me here when I figured out that independent film does not always pay the best, but that businesses have money and a lot of them like content.
Alex Minor: So two things started making sense and I decided I'm gonna go that way where I might get a check.
Alan Zhao: Yeah, it's, it's amazing timing and what this built, built up into. I can't. believe how many people are posting video content these days. So the fact that you've been building up into that, it's, it's really good.
Alan Zhao: It's a really good time.
Alex Minor: The thing that I say is, you know, I said this in another interview a couple of years ago, it's like, I've always [00:03:00] been an artist. It's just the brushes have changed over time, you know? So started out in music and then, you know, just, or actually started out. writing poetry and short stories when I was in elementary school, and then, you know, got into music and then I get into video and, you know, get hip to marketing and stuff.
Alex Minor: And so it, it's me being a creator the whole time. You know, it's just what I create and why I create has evolved.
Alan Zhao: It's kind of like tech back in the day. Like people didn't just do tech for job. They did it for a passion. They went into the tech industry. This is pre Facebook. And then now everyone is, is diving in similar things happening into video.
Alan Zhao: So. Why should people be paying attention to video content creation?
Alex Minor: Well, if you look at any statistics concerning video and marketing and trends from, I would say the last five years, all the numbers just keep going up. The amount of internet traffic that is video based, the dwell time on [00:04:00] websites, when you include video, the responsiveness to marketing initiatives that include video, like all the numbers just show.
Alex Minor: Increase year over year, the amount of people who are listening to podcasts. I mean, that jumped up way during, you know, you know, what back in 2020, but interestingly enough, as a podcast producer, uh, the number of new podcasts has fallen dramatically from 2020. Uh, cause people have less time on their hands, but that means that there's a huge gap in the market because now we have all this new listenership and not enough content to fill the gap.
Alan Zhao: Even for myself though, it's, it's difficult to constantly create video content to create podcasts. It just takes time. And as a marketer, I can't necessarily see the results of doing this for two to three months versus doing a big product launch, running educational content. Like, how do I think about this?
Alex Minor: Well, okay. So there is no one right way to do these [00:05:00] things, right? But to my mind, when you're approaching incorporating video content into your business, it's got to be a long term strategy, unless you're doing something like you're a car salesman and you're doing a commercial about your newest sale, that's only going on for like a month.
Alex Minor: Video is a long term strategy. It has to be a long term strategy to really be effective because a lot of people think of video. In terms of marketing, but you really need to think of video in terms of brand building, because when you start putting out video content over an extended period of time, that's what you're doing.
Alex Minor: You're building brand, you're building trust, you're building familiarity, because what we're trying to do, especially in the B2B context is to be somebody's first choice. It's like Coca Cola. It's like McDonald's. It's like 7 Eleven, you know, all these household names, quote unquote, your household names, because they never stop.
Alex Minor: [00:06:00] They never stop putting out ads. They never stop putting up billboards. They never stop running commercials. Why? When everybody already knows who they are. It's so that when you have to think of something that they do, they're the first name that you think about. Familiarity, is usually what gets people the money.
Alex Minor: It's, it's the same principle and it's really the same principle in business as saying, um, you know, your network is your net worth. Well, McDonald's network is all the people who know the McDonald's brand. That's where they've got over however many billions sold. It's because everybody knows them. And when they need fast food, they, they know it's not going to be the best food, but they know it's going to be consistent.
Alex Minor: They've got a great idea what the product is going to be. So it's an easy choice. I know where my money's going. I know what I'm going to get. And that's what you're trying to create when you're going into this long term branding strategy, that is video. [00:07:00]
Alan Zhao: Do you have some specific examples of B2B companies that have been able to pull off video content creation?
Alex Minor: Yeah. So one, one, uh, app that I think is doing very well, uh, but it's not through creating their own content. It's through getting user generated content is a Milanote, which I don't know if people who are listening are familiar with Milanote, but it's kind of like a productivity management tool. It can basically be whatever you want as when it comes to like project management, keeping track of creative thoughts and things.
Alex Minor: There's, it's so flexible over the past few years, they have just, um, Like I watch a lot of YouTube and I watch a lot of creators on YouTube and they have done a great job of partnering with different types of creators to get them to kind of showcase what you can do with the product as they go about their creative endeavors.
Alex Minor: Um, which is what got me to start using Milanote. So it's working. And so companies, when they think of it like that, um, Descript. That's another one. [00:08:00] Descript does a great job of not only partnering with other creatives to get UGC content, but they also have dedicated creators on staff that are doing tutorials that are, uh, always putting out something, you know, just to help users learn how to use the product better.
Alex Minor: So Descript's another one. Um, I, and I think more, SAS companies really need to be investing into their video content just to help people with learning how to use the products and becoming more familiar with the features and things. So that's, that's a big market that needs to be doing video content. And a lot of them are not
Alan Zhao: outside of the educational component.
Alan Zhao: Is there anything else in terms of how companies should be thinking about their content creation strategy?
Alex Minor: Yeah, one thing that, and you'll hear some people talk about this, um, is creating a media brand, right? Um, Gary Vee has said that companies really need [00:09:00] to be turning into media companies that happen to do whatever.
Alex Minor: The businesses that they do. And there's a lot of validity in that because, uh, and there's two ways to approach it. It can be like building a media brand that directly represents the company, but there's also building a media brand. That's almost a separate entity, but then has callbacks to the company has, you know, some sort of connection that, that.
Alex Minor: you know, kind of low key funnels people back towards the company, because you can even build that media brand when you're thinking of it in that fashion into, into a complete another business that can do other things, generate a income in different ways. That can be a nice add on to whatever the main business is, but.
Alex Minor: Part of it is familiarizing people with that brand, getting them to engage with and love that brand, love whoever the [00:10:00] personalities attached to that brand are, because you're creating value, um, as you're building that and as people are growing familiar with it. And so then when that trust is built there and people start, you know, You know, directing folks back to whatever the product is or mentioning it.
Alex Minor: There's more likelihood that folks will listen because they're already engaged with just whatever the brand value, the brand is offering. So those are two ways to go about it. You can have a media brand that's like directly connected to the company, or is the company just in media form, or you can create a separate media brand, which is like, it's.
Alex Minor: own animal, which may even have completely different values and completely different goals, but people know that it's powered by that brand or that it's, you know, presented by that brand. And so there's a trickle down effect that happens as people latch on to that media brand and get familiar with it.
Alan Zhao: That makes sense. Some of the things that I see consistently is [00:11:00] that people know what, who the brands are, but they don't necessarily know what the brands do. And so you end up creating a lot of content and people know who you are, but it doesn't necessarily convert into pipeline.
Alex Minor: You have to make, you have to make a strategic effort to do that.
Alex Minor: And so one thing that. A lot of people do, and it's unintentional is they, they think, you know, the world is telling me I need to create content. All right, I'm gonna start to create content and they do create content, but they're not approaching, they're not reverse engineering the content by saying, what is the goal of the content?
Alex Minor: First of the first, their goal is I just need to create content instead of this is the goal and content supposed to get us there. So you got, you got to start at the end and then find your way back to the beginning. So, which the beginning is supposed to be creating the content.
Alan Zhao: Got it. And now that you've created content that resonates with your customers or, you know, has the commercial insight that you want to show the [00:12:00] world, uh, change their mind, change some sort of behavior.
Alan Zhao: The next question is how do you get reach?
Alex Minor: Keep doing it. You're going to build reach over time. And the reason I say keep doing it is because as you go along, you're going to learn things or you should be learning things. Um, you should be getting more familiar with whatever platforms you're on. You may start to, you may discover through interacting with your audience, other platforms that they want to see you on, uh, that you're, that you're not on already.
Alex Minor: So that can increase your reach because now if you're. going into different platforms. You have potential to build a different audience on that platform. Uh, you may figure out better ways to use the platforms you're already on and. Word of mouth is still a thing. So especially when it comes to like podcasts and YouTube and Instagram and things like that, it's like, as your audience gets more familiar with you, there's going to be that, that effect of word of mouth where they [00:13:00] start recommending it to people, you know, if the content is good and you're going to get growth that way, so you, you don't stop, you keep going.
Alan Zhao: That's the thing. Uh, I think we were talking about this before. Uh, It's difficult to keep going, um, when it's so hard to even just make one single video and then to post a video on a platform and to see the video flop.
Alex Minor: Well, okay. So that's something that we definitely need to touch on. The idea of flopping should not even enter your mind when you first start creating content, there is no flopping.
Alex Minor: Creating the content and putting it out is the win, right? Like it's, I would say for most folks, until you even get at least a year in, you can't really call anything a flop. Like if you're a year in and you don't get, and you haven't seen any uptick in numbers, like then you might. Need to retool some things, but it really [00:14:00] takes that long and that much consistency.
Alex Minor: Cause you gotta be consistent to really be able to firmly judge whether things are working or not. I mean, the absolute minimum is three months, right? Like you can't start any sort of media campaign. Of this fashion, you know, trying to build brand on something and not give it at least three months of consistent output to work.
Alex Minor: So this doesn't mean just three months of creating content internally and not releasing anything. You know, you put out the first video and say, well, I've been working on these videos for three months and this first one sucked. Like, no, you have to have three months of actually getting the content out there in that.
Alex Minor: And that may mean you're six months in because you might spend Two, three months, creating a backlog of content before you even put the first piece out. And, and that's hard for a lot of people to swallow, especially if they're taking their own time or if they're investing in creators internally to create this content, like, cause [00:15:00] that's another thing.
Alex Minor: Another big mistake that I see a lot of people who want to start a brand make is they're too impatient. As soon as content gets made, they want to put it out. It's like, no, if you want to be able to build consistency, You have to take some time at the beginning, invest time in just building your process, invest time in actually finishing some content so that you've got a lot of it sitting ready to go before you launch.
Alex Minor: Because if you're always playing catch up, you're going to burn out fast. It
Alan Zhao: makes sense. Is there something with the algorithm that rewards people who post daily and consistently as well?
Alex Minor: Yes, most of these platforms, if you're, the more you post, the more they're going to reward you. They, like, I, I, the way that I say it is that you have to feed the beast.
Alex Minor: These platforms are hungry. They feed off your content. Like, if you don't give them content, they have nothing to give to anybody else. They are dependent on you. So the [00:16:00] people that help them the most, They're going to reward the most.
Alan Zhao: Can we talk about the nuances between each platform, like LinkedIn versus YouTube versus Tik TOK versus Instagram, uh, in BD context, people
Alex Minor: have different behaviors on different platforms.
Alex Minor: And so when you're first starting, I, I recommend deciding on one that you really want to get good at, and then maybe a second one as a backup. And not that you should ignore the second one. You should still be trying to put out plenty of content on the second one, but your priority is whatever the first one is.
Alex Minor: And you learn everything that you can about that platform. You get really good at it. You study it, you watch tutorials, you do all the things. build up your knowledge so that you get really comfortable with that platform. Once that you've gotten really comfortable with that platform, then you can start to shift some of your focus onto the second one.
Alex Minor: [00:17:00] And the reason that you really want to have at least two platforms is because one may go down like Facebook and Instagram did the other day, you know, and it's not the first time that's happened. Right. So you want to have a backup and eventually you want to be building You want to be building up community away from those platforms so that you're not beholden to them, right?
Alex Minor: And that may mean an email list. That may mean investing in a community platform like Mighty Networks or one of these other ones. I mean, even a Facebook group. I wouldn't recommend a Facebook group because like we said, Facebook just went down the other day. So something away from the big social media platforms where you can build, where people can talk, uh, that might be one of your, um, what's it called?
Alex Minor: Uh, what's the software that everybody's using to have these groups on [00:18:00] now? Uh, it could be a Slack group. It could be a, Discord. That's it. That's exactly what I was thinking of. Could be a discord, uh, that you build up so that you have somewhere away from these mainstream platforms where you can start building community, connecting with people and having more conversations and breeding more familiarity.
Alex Minor: The, now, when you start doing that, you've really got to baby it. You've really got to pay attention to it. A lot of people start these things and then they don't really nurture it. And so they think it doesn't work. No, there's, there's strategy and there's knowledge involved in building a community. And if you don't know it, either study it or hire somebody that knows how to build digital communities to manage it for you.
Alan Zhao: If you're a fan of the revenue rebels podcast, please leave us a review on Spotify and Apple podcast. Your support goes a long way to helping us bring on more amazing guests. Thank you. Community is one of the most powerful [00:19:00] tools for the B2B marketer. That is a whole nother conversation that I'm sure we're gonna have a separate episode on, but I totally agree that there's power behind it.
Alan Zhao: Yeah,
Alex Minor: community is like having an active community is like having permanent pipeline.
Alan Zhao: Who goes out and gets more pipeline for you.
Alex Minor: Exactly.
Alan Zhao: They're aligned. Are there any other tips that you, you would recommend people do for platforms like YouTube? Maybe it's first three seconds matter, the headline grabber.
Alan Zhao: Small things like that, that you'd recommend
Alex Minor: all those, all those tropes that you hear about video content. Like, Oh, you gotta, you gotta worry about your thumbnails. You gotta worry about your titles. You gotta worry about the first three seconds. It it's true. It's true. Attention spans on social media and on these digital platforms are short.
Alex Minor: It's not that people won't watch long content. It's that they don't trust. That is going to be worth it, especially because there's a lot of garbage out there. So you really have [00:20:00] to upfront, let them know that it's going to be, or show somehow that it's going to be worth their time because they're so quick with the scroll.
Alex Minor: I mean, I am too. And I like long form content. I like spending, you know, if a video is not at least 10 minutes, like I'm kind of like, Hey, you know, I like long stuff. Uh, but I also like short form content. Cause it's so easy to consume, which is why most people like it.
Alan Zhao: Do you have a strategy for short form versus long form and when to do which one?
Alex Minor: I think that you should be doing both. At all times, especially because, uh, short form has become such a dominant force in today's market when you're approaching your long form content. I think that you should be engineering your long form content to be broken down into shorter form content. And the reason I use the word shorter form content instead of just short form content is because there's [00:21:00] yeah.
Alex Minor: The term long form is, is very broad. It can cover a wide range of stuff. I mean, some people think that a five minute video is long form. I don't consider that long form, but some people do. I tend to consider anything long form. Anything that's like 10 to 15 minutes or more. So when you're creating that longer form content, you try to build it so that it's easy to cut up, break down into longer things.
Alex Minor: So let, let's say you do a podcast and the podcast is an hour long. Well, don't just publish the podcast. So, so we'll, we'll break down a whole tree of stuff that you can do with that podcast. So, and we're going to assume that it's a video podcast. You publish the video to YouTube full length podcast. Then you take the audio, you publish it to your podcast platforms.
Alex Minor: Then you come behind that full length video that you published. And you say these three, [00:22:00] five minute segments in the podcast were really insightful. You publish those, um, Three, five minute segments as separate videos. Then you go back through the content and say, all right, we had some great one liners or great, you know, zingers in this great insights.
Alex Minor: We can get eight pieces of short form content out of this episode. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So right there, you know, You've gotten 12 videos out of one hour long conversation, or actually that's 13 counting the original podcast. Um, so that's 13 pieces of content right there. That's not even counting the Twitter posts or X posts that you'll make.
Alex Minor: That's not even counting because each of those pieces of short form content can go on each of those social media platforms. So it can be a YouTube short, it can be an Instagram post, it can be an ex post or, or the beginning of a Twitter thread. You know what I'm saying? And then there can be a newsletter that goes out.
Alex Minor: There [00:23:00] can be LinkedIn posts. So from that one hour long form piece of content, if you're going into it with that in mind, you can have 20 to 30 posts that go out onto your various platforms and social media and whatnot from one conversation.
Alan Zhao: Yeah. The next question is once you put all that stuff out in the B2B context, especially it's hard to imagine that a lot of the content that you push out will go viral.
Alan Zhao: So what should the overall strategy be
Alex Minor: to not go viral? Don't care about going viral. Listen, we're, we're, we're in the business world. We're we're B2B. Like usually that means we're specialized. That usually means that whatever audience you grow is going to be a smaller audience compared to the internet at large, the possibility of going viral.
Alex Minor: is that much smaller. And usually going viral requires putting out an insane volume of content for one to [00:24:00] pop off. So when you see people like Grant Cardone going viral all the time, when you see people like Gary Vee going viral all the time, when you see some of these creators that aren't business related, related going viral all the time is because they put out insane amounts of content.
Alex Minor: Unless you got your own team, Gary, you're probably not putting out that amount of content. So stop worrying about going viral is worry about putting out whatever to you is a good large Volume of content, the largest amount of content that you can manage without it negatively impacting running your business and without it driving you crazy.
Alan Zhao: And with the goal that the content seeks to inform, it's the, it's directed towards your audience,
Alex Minor: right? You want, because the thing with virality is when stuff goes viral, it means that a bunch of people who don't really care about you had it show up in their feeds. [00:25:00] That's what going viral means. It means it got enough attention quickly enough that a bunch of people who normally wouldn't pay any attention to you had to show up in their feeds.
Alex Minor: And it was interesting enough that they watched. But the majority of those people who watch the viral content are not your customers. They're not the type of audience that you're trying to cultivate. They're never going to show up in your inbox. Now you may get more of those people showing up because you've just been spread to more people in general, but the majority of people that viral piece of content got shown to are never going to be worth anything to you.
Alex Minor: So going viral should not be the goal. Creating content that resonates with the people who will actually pay you money or will, or who will connect you to people who will pay you money. That's the goal.
Alan Zhao: Is there a [00:26:00] metric that you look at or some way to measure the success of the content?
Alex Minor: Yeah, so there should be audience growth over time, and that can be modest audience growth.
Alex Minor: I think a lot of people, a lot of time, as long as it's going up, I say you're doing the right thing. As long as the numbers are going up, and that may be going up, you know, in terms of a few more subscribers every month. It may mean, You know, a certain number of you over time. You start getting an average number of the average number of likes or comments starts going up.
Alex Minor: It's really audience growth over time and engagement over time. Uh, when you're first starting out getting any engagement and when I say engagement, I'm usually talking about comments and DMS. you're winning. When it comes to just view count and likes and stuff like that, those metrics matter, but [00:27:00] not as much as people actually trying to communicate with you because making a comment on a post or a video, that's communication.
Alex Minor: That's real effort. That's valuable. You know, somebody showing up in your inbox or your DMS, that's communication. That's real effort. That's valuable. And if the content that you're making resonates enough that people want to actually communicate with you to put in that extra effort, it means you're doing something right.
Alex Minor: So that should be your number one metric. Um, other things can branch off of that, especially if you start creating the content in a way that it like is directing people to other content. If it's directing people to your website or to sign up on an email list, those can start to become metrics that you use to measure success.
Alex Minor: But initially, when you first start, engagement is the win.
Alan Zhao: Let's say that you don't want to do all the content creation [00:28:00] yourself. You want to bring on like a head of content. What type of person would you be looking for? What would the JD look like? And maybe who are some of the top video creators out there that you admire?
Alex Minor: Um, I mean, there's tons of good creators out there. And if you ask me for any of their names, my mind is going to go blank, but. The type of person that you want to look for is a creator who is really a creator. And which means having more than one creative skillset. So you're not just a videographer or you're not just a video editor.
Alex Minor: Um, you, you can do, you've got, you probably got like one major skill set and then you've got some other minor skill sets because of what you've been through, what kind of background you have, you know, maybe you also do animation, maybe you also do copywriting a little bit, maybe you're great at. Uh, You know, YouTube, you, you actually know YouTube strategy and things.[00:29:00]
Alex Minor: And what's really important is when you hire a creator that they have some business knowledge. They know how to look at things through a business lens. They're not looking at things purely from a creator standpoint of, is it cool? Is it pretty, do I like it? You know, those sorts of things, because you, you hire somebody who's a pure artist, they're always just going to be.
Alex Minor: They're going to be a slave to their artistry. You want to hire somebody who is an artist, but they're also tuned into the business world because your conversations are going to be different. You're going to be able to talk to them about, you know, marketing or branding initiatives and how it is that you're trying to have that affect the company.
Alex Minor: You're going to be able to talk to them about the audience that you're trying to cultivate so that they can create, um, They can start creating content with that audience in mind, like asking questions about what is it that you want that audience to do? What does that audience care [00:30:00] about? You know, what kind of things classically get that audience to respond?
Alex Minor: Because a creative who is like, Who, who is not like a creator and, and, and I'm sorry if I'm confusing anybody with trying to make that distinction. So when I say creator, I'm talking about somebody who's kind of like, used to making creative decisions and business decisions on their own to like move, you know, to build their brand or move it forward as opposed to a creative or specialized worker who is an order taker.
Alex Minor: Now you want somebody who can take orders, but you also want somebody who's going to bring ideas to the table can take initiative, you know, help elevate those conversations and look at things from both sides. Look at things from the artistic side, but also look at things from the business side, because you make different decisions when you have.
Alex Minor: Some of that business knowledge base. [00:31:00] Uh, and when you can have those business, uh, discussions and they make sense to you, because when you're purely an artist or you're purely an order taker, a lot of stuff, the business people say to you is going to sound stupid because it's not pushing the art forward.
Alex Minor: We're not doing art for art's sake. We're doing art for business. It's
Alan Zhao: kind of like hiring founders versus hiring. Um, Employees, hiring a founder with the founder mindset, you, you want to push the needle and deliver results, not be part of the process.
Alex Minor: Exactly. How can people find
Alan Zhao: out more about you?
Alex Minor: Um, LinkedIn is a good place.
Alex Minor: I've kind of been taking a little bit of a break from LinkedIn, but I'm itching to get back to it, uh, you know, just trying to get my mind right in the new year and, and create some more content. And, you know, work on some personal development stuff. You know, that's what the [00:32:00] cool kids do these days. So LinkedIn is probably the best place you can look at my old content.
Alex Minor: There's tons of it. I've created a lot of content over the last three, four years. Um, and you should be seeing some new content soon and me further cataloging my adventures. I'm
Alan Zhao: really excited for the new stuff to pop out. Thank you very much, Alex.
Alex Minor: Hey, I appreciate it man. Thank you for having me
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