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Accelerating sustainability through industry-wide collaboration is changing how chemical companies approach procurement, carbon reduction, and risk management. Victoria Meyer welcomes Jennifer Jewson, Chief Procurement Officer at LyondellBasell and President of Together for Sustainability (TfS), alongside Danielle Warnock, Senior Manager at Nouryon and TfS Regional Lead, to discuss how strategic alliances like TfS are driving real progress on sustainable procurement across the chemical industry.
Victoria, Jennifer, and Danielle examine the foundations and impact of TfS: standardizing supplier engagement, launching shared audit platforms, and advancing product carbon footprint measurement to address complex Scope 3 emissions. The conversation covers how sustainable procurement is intertwining with business strategy, the challenges and realities of delivering on corporate sustainability promises, and how companies are equipping teams and the next generation of leaders to advance long-term change. Discover how collaborative platforms and disciplined governance are helping shape the future of chemicals, and why staying committed to sustainability is critical for competitiveness, growth, and continued license to operate.
Victoria, Jennifer, and Danielle discuss the following topics on this week's episode:
- Together for Sustainability unites chemical companies to create shared sustainable procurement goals.
- Sustainable procurement explained: What it means and why it matters
- How TfS members use common platforms and audits to simplify supplier engagement and data exchange.
- Companies balance regulation, market shifts, and sustainability priorities to future-proof the industry.
- Passionate professionals and peer learning accelerate supply chain sustainability.
Killer Quote: “We do together what we cannot do alone.” — Jennifer Jewson, on the collaborative power of the Together for Sustainability alliance
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victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526:
Welcome back to The Chemical Show.
Today I am speaking with Jennifer
Dusen, who is the Chief Procurement
Officer at Lyon Del Bassell and
Danielle Warnock, who is the senior
manager of Global Carbon Business
Strategy at noon and more importantly.
Both of them represent
together for sustainability.
We're gonna learn a little
bit more about what that is.
Jen is the president of TFS and
Chairs the steering committee, and
Danielle is the regional lead for TFS.
And so both of them are here
today to talk about what is TFS,
what is sustainable procurement,
why it matters, and more so ladies,
welcome to the Chemical Show.
Speaker: Thank you for having us.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Yeah.
Excited to have you.
So I'm gonna start with Jen.
Tell us a little bit about your
origin story and how you got to
where you are in the chemical
industry and in your current role.
Jennifer Jewson: so from a personal
perspective, um, absolutely I can share.
So I've been in the chemical
industry actually almost 30 years,
which is a amazingly long time.
Uh, I'm a chemist by training actually,
and moved over into the commercial area.
And I've had several roles within
our organization, whether it is.
On the sell side, you know, or
know, supply chain, et cetera.
I moved over to procurement
in the last three years.
I took over as CPO, and it's a really, you
know, it's an exciting time for, I think
our industry in general, you know, as we
look at how we manufacture things today
and doing it very differently than before.
So this, this level of innovation,
and for someone like me who originally
came from r and d, it's a very.
It's very interesting.
So for me, a natural progression
for me was to find other areas where
I could have impact and influence
specifically in the sustainability space.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: I love it.
That's great.
Danielle, how about you?
How did you get started in the chemical
industry into where you are
today?
Danielle Warnock: yeah.
Really similar background to Jen.
So my background is in
chemical engineering.
I started in r and d as well.
And I really kind of moved through.
I did not start in the chemical industry.
I started in the industrial gases
industry so I would say close cousins.
And I've held various roles in
different types of design engineering,
before moving into supply chain.
And so I spent about six and a half
years, in different roles in procurement.
Somehow sustainable procurement
found me and it was a really
exciting, I think, pivotal turn.
So still working in supply chain,
really understanding how the value
chain works, and looking at those
commercial, commercial aspects, but
adding sustainability, here at noon.
And so I did that for three and a half
years, which is how I found TFS as well.
Um, and now in my current role.
Um, looking at really how do we
integrate sustainability and carbon
reduction opportunities into our
day-to-day business decisions where
it makes sense for us the most.
Uh, so it's really exciting to, to
look at how, like Jen mentioned, how
the industry is changing and how we're
evolving and how certain buzzwords like
sustainability, even the definition
of sustainability has changed since
I've become part of this world.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526:
Yeah, I love that.
And I think you're right.
I think we're absolutely at, at a
transformational inflection point in the
industry, and sustainability is one of
these areas that I, you know, I started
hearing about it 20 years ago and I had
no stinking idea what it map like I don't.
I don't get it.
Like I just don't get it.
And then certainly in the 2020s it feels
like we've reached peak hype and now
we're getting back to reality because
it is part of our longevity of our
industry, the world, business, et cetera.
So, let's just talk a little bit
about together for sustainability,
because I know that some people may
not be aware of the organization.
Jennifer Jewson: Yeah, I'd be,
I'd be happy to start with that.
So.
I think Danielle and I will both agree
we have a passion for that organization
because it is so unique and so special.
And why I say that is, you know what?
What together for sustainability
is, is really, it.
It's, it's an industry alliance
with over 50 pet chem companies.
And if you think the about the spend
that we touch in a given year a
collective, we probably touch, you
know, over $500 billion of spend.
So when you, when you have us
together thinking about things, we
really have impact and influence.
Why I think it is so incredibly special
is you look at the pet chem industry.
When I first started, we never
talked to each other, right?
Because we were so worried about antitrust
and you know, we were coached so much.
Don't talk about product and don't
talk about price, but sustainability
is this topic where you absolutely,
one, have to collaborate, but now
have the ability to collaborate
right as we, as we work together.
So for me, I think TFS, the folks come in.
We may touch the chemical industry a
little bit differently here and there.
and we all realize that there's not gonna
be a perfect answer for everything, but
we all know that we have to make progress.
And so therefore we've gotta figure out
what is that, what is that middle ground
where we can make sure that people.
Truly understand what we're trying
to do from moving the needle from
a sustainability perspective.
And so the only way you can do that
is if you are this industry alliance.
And I always say we do together
what we cannot do alone.
Which is why I think this organization
is an incredibly special one.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526:
Yeah, I really like that.
What inspired your
companies to get involved?
So, you guys have obviously been involved
for quite a while, but I, you know,
must your company must see something
that says, yeah, this is worthwhile.
'cause Jen, I'm with you.
I, you know, I grew up in this era
where you weren't allowed to say boo
to competitors, much less collaborate
inside of an industry group.
I think some of that had
always happened, but,
You know, what really prompted the, and
inspired your companies, maybe Danielle,
do you have a, can respond to
that?
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Jen hid it really well, I think
with describing TFS and, and really
leveraging the, power in numbers.
And so.
With N on here, we have three
major pillars of sustainability.
Looking at environmental
performance, looking at safety,
and looking at sustainable growth.
And really it's how do we operationalize
and make actions in these areas.
And TFS really this peer to peer
organization in numbers where we can
leverage making like scaling impact is
really where we saw that opportunity.
The, so not only can TFS offer tools
and community, but it's really like
we're shaping the tools that we can use
to really drive progress in this area.
And so that's really one of the, the
key drivers for Nuon becoming a member
back in, uh, back in April of 2023.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526:
That's great.
So obviously TFS operates as a
member driven initiative, right?
So, um, across cutting across companies.
Jen, you referenced 50
petrochemical companies.
How does this really work?
'cause it's hard to create,
alignment sometimes inside your own
company, much less across companies.
And yet, TFS has obviously been very
successful in, um, its organization
in the initiatives it's taking
out, guidelines and practices as
we talk about, uh, sustainable
procurement across the industry.
Jennifer Jewson: why is it successful?
I think, so we at lined
ell, we really, you know.
We have clear, just like Danielle
was saying, for ion, we have clear
goals and objectives of what we wanna
do from a sustainability standpoint.
And if you think about why does TFS
work so well, it is a collection of
companies that are very like-minded.
So you do have people that already
have, you know, very public
goals that they wanna achieve.
They want to be leading edge.
And so I think that helps it
to, to, to give them momentum.
So if you have people that are
like-minded, understand that it's
a very complex problem to solve
and really wanna lean
in and do
it, I
Speaker: Okay.
Jennifer Jewson: that's really what
helps it.
I will also share too, that these
types of alliances, and it's maybe
not the most exciting part to talk
about governance matters, right?
Like how do you operate, right?
And so, tFS office is incredibly
well organized and driven to help
us make sure that we can make the
most of everybody's time, that we
are very thoughtfully executing, and
so we have multiple work streams.
I think companies can lean into work
streams, differentially, depending on
what's most important to them, but,
but we've aligned on what those are
and we make sure that we are making
progress and the folks that are there.
know, You will have folks
that are a little more
sophisticated than others, right?
Because they've been
added a little bit longer.
Same for line ell.
We joined in 21.
We are leaps and bounds ahead
of where I thought we would be.
And it's because the fact that
you have, you have folks that are
very sophisticated in these work
streams that want to help you.
So, so I do think, one, you've got the
leaders that are pushing the boundaries
so that we are doing really good things,
but then they're also so collaborative
that as you join, they help get you
up to speed a lot faster and make a
a tremendous amount more progress.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526:
Yeah, I think that's really great.
And as you say, governance is key,
especially to, you know, manage
antitrust concerns and also to be
effective because you know, it's
a choice for companies to be.
Part of an organization like this,
obviously there's a lot of business
benefit, but it's also, you want, when
you join, you want to be effective
and know that it's gonna be effective.
So, so I'm going to take us back one
step a little bit and let's just talk
about sustainable procurement what is it,
because this is kind of the center point
of what we're doing here today, and yet
people may not fully understand
what it is and what it
means.
Speaker: Yeah, I think, um, you know,
I think that if you ask five different
people you might get five different
definitions of what sustainable
procurement might be, depending
on what might be the hot topic.
At hand, but it's really thinking long
term how decisions in our supply chain
and our value chains affect the people,
the planet and profit of a company.
Um, and it's really how do we build
resilience in our supply chains?
How do we reduce risk and how
do we, how do we optimize and
opportunity and growth, um, in a,
in a sustainable and ethical manner?
And where TFS really helps with
that, again, is looking at.
That peer-to-peer model looking at
different types of tools where we can
standardize and optimize our thought
processes to really take action with our
suppliers and, and engage and collaborate.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Yeah.
And is this about and measuring?
Greenhouse gas emissions,
um, logistics things.
I guess there's, it's, is it, does it tie
like to the uns, is it 23 practices, which
include people and these other things?
Or how does it all tie together?
Jennifer Jewson: It, it does.
It, it it does.
And so I, I think, it does tie to
that and it does it touch, it touches
multiple areas like Danielle was saying.
So I think, you know, if you think
about, we try and figure out what are
the big problems we're trying to solve.
One is making sure our suppliers that
we work with have the same ambitions
that we do, and it could be on how they
manufacture, how they treat their people.
It's a number of facets.
know, I think about economies of scale
instead of 50 member companies going
to the same supplier and asking the
same questions over and over again.
now we have it coming out from eight
an organization asking questions,
and so I think it makes it.
Easier for the, the
suppliers to work with us.
It helps us to align ambitions
with us on, so one, are they
trying to do all the right things?
I think, you know,
product carbon footprint.
So CO2 reduction is very important
too, and it's incredibly complex.
So you think about Scope
one, scope two, scope three.
Scope three is usually our largest
footprint for our companies.
Right?
So for lined El Acel, I think it it, to
this point, our Scope three footprint
is somewhere around 78 to 80% of our
overall footprint.
It's.
Big, right?
And so,
and
it's complicated, right?
Because you're bringing all these
different raw materials and things into
your system from many different suppliers.
So again, that's where I think
matters and consistency matters.
There is still always gonna be
a little bit of variability,
but I think where we can drive
consistency, at least to a acceptable
level is gonna be very important.
Because why at the end of the day, we
wanna be able to say, this is my baseline.
I'm going to show you customer
what I am doing to make it better.
And it go, it does drive back
to exactly what Danielle said
earlier, and that is the value
proposition because it's not free.
And the things that we do as a chemical
industry are very hard to abate.
We're energy intensive.
And so I think it's important.
It allows us this opportunity to truly.
to our customers how we do what we do,
because they don't necessarily know.
Right.
They know that they order something
and it comes to their door.
But the process behind all of that,
they don't necessarily, and nor do
they need to know all of it, but
they need to understand kind of the,
what I would call the big steps to,
to get to a more greener solution.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Yeah.
You know, it strikes me interesting and I
know that TFS is a lot about sustainable
procurement, and yet your companies both
are sellers of chemical products, often
to other chemical companies, um, and
often to final product producers that
are, you know, whether they're packaging,
whether they're formulating, et cetera.
do you pull through some of these
learnings into your sales team?
or do you, is it still too early yet?
'cause you guys are both
pretty young in your
TFS journey.
Um,
Speaker: Yeah, I, I could speak
a little bit on behalf of Nuon.
So, um, you know, I think we're probably
not unique in this, but, the, you,
know, your sustainability goals and
your targets that comes from the top.
And there's a lot of different functions
and organizations across the company
that need to work together to be
able to meet those targets and goals.
And sustainable procurement is one
of those key functions, especially
in the area of Scope three.
But in order to make impacts in
Scope three, one person, scope
three is another company Scope.
And so, as you reduce emissions in
your Scope one and two as direct
emissions for your company, you're
therefore helping your customers reduce
their scope three as they buy up.
So, really across the value chain, we're
also closely interconnected regardless
of really whether you're B2B or you're
selling directly to customers, we all have
to make these changes, um, to be able to.
To progress forward.
And the way that Jen, you know, Jen hit
on talking about how Scope Three makes up
the majority of our emissions right now.
Well, if you think about it five years
from now, as companies reduce their scope
ones, whether that's to meet regulations
or to meet their own internal targets,
and , then our share of Scope three is
just going to continue to grow and those
complexities will continue to grow.
But therefore we'll also start
to reduce in those areas as
scope one and two reduces.
So it's all very interconnected
and procurement is really, it's
a pivotal, it's a pivotal piece
of making, making those changes.
But the, all of the different functions
across the company need to be able to,
to work together to meet those goals.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526:
Yeah, makes a
Jennifer Jewson: I and, and May, sorry.
Maybe one thing to add to that too that
I think is very important is that of our
suppliers are also our customers, right?
And so there is this interconnectivity
that we see and, and I think
Danielle said it very well, I think
sustainable procurement is one
piece of the puzzle, but how you
communicate across an organization is.
very important.
And so I'm gonna make a pitch
for one other thing with TFS, and
that's our TFS Academy, right?
We have learnings that people
to understand sustainability and
really learn through those modules.
What we've done at LyondellBasell,
we, we've taken a lot of those
learnings and we make sure.
That the, that the same messaging is
very seamless to our customers as well.
So we are speaking and using
the same terminology and making
sure we're educating across
the board because, you know.
At the end, you really have to make sure
that you've got really good visibility
to the end-to-end value chain, right?
Because our customers so let's, a lot
of what we do is B2B, but we've gotta
make sure our customers are talking to
their customers in a very similar light.
As we look at how does value transfer
down that end-to-end value chain?
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526:
it's, it's complex.
And I even just think about when
you guys talk about Scope three
and Jen, you talk about 78 to
80%, which is, yeah, that makes
Jennifer Jewson: Okay.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: 'cause if I
Jennifer Jewson: Yeah.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Draw a
box around my household, personal scope
three emissions have to be more than 80%.
I don't know what they are.
Um, I mean, I know there's tools out there
that'll do the math for you, but it's
like, yeah, if we just look at it, all of,
it's about how we procure, how we utilize
sustainably at a corporate level, at a
personal level, and across industries.
so I'm gonna, you started talking
about the academy and you, you've also
talked about how, frankly, how quickly
you guys have both gotten up to speed.
Let's talk about what TFS maybe offers
for its members and new members.
'cause both of you are, and your
companies are actively engaged,
but when, when somebody joins
TFS, how do they get onboarded?
What resources are available and what
kind of support is there to make?
Their, venture into sustainable
procurement effective.
Jennifer Jewson: there are prepackaged
things, so like the TFS Academy,
which I think is incredibly helpful
so that you are educating folks and
so, and so one of the things that we
did for us, and I'm gonna talk about
the other offerings in a minute, but.
We have what we call an ambassador
program, so sustainable,
our sustainable procurement.
have folks that sit all through the
organization, so we have procurement
people that drive sustainable
procurement, but we also have members
of our businesses and supply chain
and others that are ambassadors
so that they hear what we hear.
So when they communicate outward to
their organizations, again, we're
all in lockstep with each other.
But we do, we have certain goals and
objectives, and we all have targets.
So Danielle will have targets for
ion, we have targets for tf, uh,
for line elba cell, but how many
suppliers we're assessing, right?
And there, there, it's again, I'm gonna go
back to governance and structure, right?
So that your data is trust,
trustworthy, good data, right?
So.
know, are you assessing your suppliers?
TFS?
We also audit certain suppliers that we
think could be potentially at re at risk.
The nice thing about the audits
is we work with a supplier.
We don't just say,
okay, you have problems.
You need to go fix 'em.
We actually have corrective action
plans to say, Hey, here's some
suggestions that could help you
so you don't have to reinvent the
wheel, and we're here for you.
We want you to come along
with us on the journey.
So.
So there's those things.
The thing that is actually, I think
that a lot of us spend a lot of time
on, including probably Danielle,
is the product carbon footprint.
Because as we said, Very complex, right?
So, we've worked together to look at,
and not reinventing the wheel, but
taking the greenhouse gas protocol
and figuring out like how do we create
guidelines, that help people if there
are options of how to calculate.
things that maybe make more sense for
our industry to drive consistency.
Right.
So, and, and maybe I'll stop on the last
piece of it and that is, okay, how do I
calculate my data, which is fundamentally
foundationally the most important.
But then how do we figure out how to
share the data in a thoughtful way?
And some companies are okay with sharing
some of their data, some are not yet.
So how do we, how do we navigate this?
Because I think this is still.
of this is still growing and
we're still learning from it.
And again, I think it comes back
to it's so great to have collective
organization because it, it allows us
to share and decide at the end maybe
what, what we think might make the
most sense for us as an organization.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Yeah.
Are you guys able to actually share
data or, you know, you talk about
audits, is that something that can be
shared across companies inside of TFS
or is it more that it's a standard process
for auditing that gets shared?
Speaker: Yeah.
TFS has, we have our own audit
that is performed by verified and
approved third party auditors.
Um, and we ha we go through.
All the different types of data privacy,
uh, before any of the suppliers that
are approached go through this audit.
And TFS has a platform that's a shared
platform with the TFS community.
So that really, to Jen's point earlier
where we're reducing the workload, right?
So.
Lots of us are all interconnected.
Lots of us share similar suppliers.
So if one TFS company asks a supplier
to go through an audit, another, they're
not going to have to do it again for
another TFS company because it'll be on
a shared platform that is data protected,
and goes through the correct antitrust
processes before any data is shared.
So it really does help.
And to, to add on to, to Jen's.
Moving back to the PCF calculations,
not only does TFS have the, the PCF
guidelines published, but there's also a
data exchange platform called Sea Green.
Um, and that really, it's, it's helping
companies create a standardized way
to share this data in a similar.
Format in a similar place.
I think that all of us could probably
relate to all the different types of
Excel spreadsheets, through emails,
all the different types of NDAs, CDAs
that we need to go through as all
of us are maturing in this space and
understand what data is okay to share.
And like Jen said, which
companies are not okay to share.
So this platform right now, we're piloting
using the platform and are seeing a
lot of, of, of good use cases for it.
So as more companies become familiar with
it and share, I think it'll be a really
good way to standardize data exchange,
um, and, and try and alleviate some of
those, some of those Excel spreadsheets
that we all are just too familiar with.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Well,
and I I think that's excellent.
'cause it, it is a challenge and Right,
and when and when you're running these
things on Excel or you ask the question
slightly differently, who's answering?
How is it answered?
It can get interpreted in
a lot of different ways.
And I think just the consistency
of standards, consistency of data.
And to your point, let's
be efficient with this.
Like we don't need 50 companies.
Asking a supplier the exact same thing.
Ask it once, manage it appropriately,
and share appropriately because
it's the same information.
So it seems like the industry
and the public, um, and certainly
government is, we're in a period
of flux on sustainability, right?
And, and I think of it as we've gone
from sustainability with a big s with
these big giant promises, um, down to
sustainability with a little s where
it's just about being sustainable
and having sustainable practices.
Um, and I, you know, we've even
seen across the chemical industry,
Projects getting delayed that had
a high sustainability component.
Other things moving forward.
And I think this whole space that we're
in a lot right now is a lot around
strategic discipline, doing the right
thing, step by step, to get there.
How does this factor into your companies
and your work with TFS in terms of, are
your customers still and stakeholders
still prioritizing sustainability?
Is this something that you
guys are still focused on?
And obviously you're here today and
we're talking about it, but, but how, how
has the narrative changed and where is
the narrative today around that for you
guys?
Speaker: Yeah, we're really
looking at it, you know, from a, a.
Business opportunity and growth
perspective, and again, integrating it
into our day-to-day business practices.
You know, sustainability, it, the
biggest, the little less, it's
not a trend, it's here to stay.
And again, like we've mentioned, like the
definition might change over time, but
it's a, it's future proofing business.
And, you know, if companies
are approaching that with the
right mindset, it'll really
be a strategic differentiator.
When going out to market, not every
market, like you mentioned, there
is some projects that are paused
or delayed, but there are new
projects that are coming up to speed.
Um, you know, and so that pipeline I.
think is going to continue
to change and evolve.
But regular regulatory pressures
are going to continue to arise, um,
and companies are going to have to
stand tall and rise to the occasion.
It's really thinking strategically
about how do we change or revise our
approach to sustainability to do that
in a smart and uh, methodical matter.
Jennifer Jewson: Yeah, and, and I
agree with Danielle a hundred percent.
I think playing a long game here, right?
And I think, I think today.
the chemical industry is going
through a downturn, which does
make it a lot more challenging.
this will pass.
It's, it's, our industry is cyclical.
It will, it will, it will, we
will get back up, up to, to
the upper end of the cycle.
I, I, think too, that.
sometimes you have to go
slow to go faster later.
And this may be just part
of the maturity process.
This is not an easy problem to solve.
Right.
And regions think about
things differently.
So, and most of our companies ship
globally, so how do you think about
like, how do we get to this point
where we are understanding what are
the rules of engagement for each of
the regions to drive these things?
Different governments think differently
and all of that, so, I don't consider
this, a negative yes, I, we all wish
we were moving a little bit faster.
But I do think this is part, probably part
of the maturity process and I agree with
Danielle, it, it will be a differentiator.
We wanna make sure that we, we deserve
the right to operate because we are
doing the right things for our customers.
I also think too that, I do a lot of
university recruiting and when I go
and talk to the folks about coming
into our industry, the first thing
they ask me is about sustainability.
So it is on the hearts and minds
of the newer generation that will
become part of the workforce today.
What they don't have is disposable
income, but they will, right.
They will, they'll come into the industry.
And so I do think that,
as the generations change.
I do think you will see a
shift on how people buy.
So I constantly say it's
not if it's just when.
And so if it, if it takes us
a little longer to get these
projects moving, maybe that's okay.
Um, because you have to understand
what is the value proposition at the
end of the day and the risk level.
And, and Danielle said it earlier and I
agree a hundred percent on the risk piece.
We are gonna go back to our industry
is very hard to abate and very costly.
And if you're really gonna put hundreds
of millions of dollars into something,
you gotta be right that you're gonna
get something out the other side.
And so if it takes a little
bit of time to get to that
maturity level, I think that's.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526:
Yeah, I love that.
And I do think you're right, this,
it is a long game and I think some
of the, early promises and goals
and, and things that, targets that
were set around sustainability and
greenhouse gas reductions, et cetera.
aspirational and yes, and you need
to shoot for those aspirations, but
all of a sudden you start realizing,
oh, this is really, really hard.
And, and we've moved a long way.
I, um, I spoke with Bonnie Tulley last
year from Ivo, I remember one of the
things she said is, you know, in the
seventies, clean air and clean water
and the Clean Air Act, which came out.
Think late seventies, early
eighties, that was a big deal.
And yet today it's table stakes.
Of course, we focus on clean air and
clean water, and then if we look ahead to
where we are today in 2025, we go to 2030.
Of course, sustainability
and sustainable practices and
sustainable procurement makes sense.
It becomes table stakes and, and
it is a long journey that we're on.
improvement, uh, et cetera, all of that.
So this is, you know, we're, we're
kind of wrapping here at the end.
questions.
Question one is, just as it relates
to TFS, obviously there's 50
companies, there's room for more.
and, you know, what's your advice
to companies that are considering it
and how do they get involved in TFS?
Jennifer Jewson: So I, so we
do have a process to join.
And you know, and honestly it
is a, it's a, it's a pretty
thorough screening process, right?
Because.
It, it's important for us to make
sure that people that want to
join, you know, want to lean in.
And Danielle's a perfect example, right?
They joined in 23, she's
already the regional lead.
She's doing great things from her side.
That that is, we want that
energy and enthusiasm.
And why is that the case?
It's because it's a member led company.
So it's not about putting
the TFS logo on your website.
We really want people,
we wanna understand.
mature are you in this process?
What is your ambition?
And really are, are you ready to
lean in and really work with us?
Right?
Because that is how we, we make a
difference in this, in this organization.
And so, you know, those are
the things we ask people.
And so, you know, if you're interested,
we'd love to have you and talk to
you about it, but realize like.
You, you have to put the sweat
equity into this organization.
You know, because
we're only here today because
of the strength of the, of the member
base.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: I love that.
Speaker: it really is member led and
you know, we all have our day jobs
and we all have to react, right?
And we understand what the
current environment is with
this, the sustainability word.
But when you come to the, TFS meetings,
uh, you know, we do have in-person
annual workshops the energy because.
the the members that.
are part of this organization
are so passionate about the topic
and so, they wanna drive change.
And it is a, a safe space with all
of the antitrust that's in place to
really have positive conversations and
interactions and networking to be able
to come to, to solutions that, you
know, might make sense in today's state
to, to be able to make a difference.
And so, you.
know, we actually, we
have that event coming up.
And I'm really looking forward to seeing
my peers and my colleagues and to be
able to, to have that energy again.
So if there's companies out there that,
you know, you have those people in your
organizations that are really passionate
about this topic, it is a great outlet
to get involved and make things happen.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Love it.
Love it.
And I think this is actually
a great place to wrap.
So thank you.
Um, thank you ladies for joining
me today on The Chemical Show.
I've really enjoyed talking with both of
you, learning about you, and
learning more about TFS together for
sustainability.
Speaker: Thank you.
so much.
victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Yeah,
and thanks everyone for joining.
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