Violent People Radio #120: 15 Cans Of Soda or High Skeleton Content

The core four are back at full strength, and they’re joined by a surprise guest. Let’s just say he’s a friend of the show, and his name ALMOST rhymes with Pants Warmer.

What is Violent People Radio?

The founders of the very good professional wrestling website, Violent People, have made the radical move to start a podcast! Expect to hear their Hot Takes on the world's greatest sport, what they are watching, and what is going on with VP that week.

Dan Rice (00:00)
So no no more slurs from here on out.

Orchid (00:03)
Damn it.

Not even gay ones. I can't use gay stars.

Dan Rice (00:10)
I mean I listen.

I think it's fine. I think they're all fine though. So you got a problem there, you know? Yeah.

Orchid (00:17)
That's a good point. That's a good point. If there's one thing you've been clear about on this podcast is that you're okay with slurs.

chris (00:19)
Ooh, noonloot trim.

Dan Rice (00:22)
I think they're encouraged. No, it's the guy that ed edits it, my slur's never come out.

Orchid (00:28)
That's a good point.

That is a good fucking point.

chris (00:31)
New lucha memes with ⁓ Karma Dose Freeze is Judas L trade or

Dan Rice (00:31)
that shit locked down.

chris (00:39)
And we'll be on the lookout for that one.

Dan Rice (00:48)
What I need is someone that periodically, maybe month by month, sort of group together all the lucha worth watching.

chris (01:00)
That sounds like an insane thing, but I don't think I don't think anyone has the

Dan Rice (01:04)
You don't think anyone would be willing to do that?

Orchid (01:06)
Unrealistic ask. Unrealistic ask. Very unrealistic ask.

Dan Rice (01:09)
⁓ It's like yeah, it maybe it's better for your mental health not to do it, but it's worse for my lucha watching. So you kinda kinda you know, weigh against each other.

Orchid (01:20)
That's a good point. I I do weigh that decision every day myself.

chris (01:21)
Yeah, my my extremely right now stable mental health.

Dan Rice (01:27)
yeah, like you're the picture perfect. So I figure you can you can you can let it relax a little. ⁓

Orchid (01:34)
Don't worry, we're gonna clear we're gonna clear up your mental health right in this very session.

Dan Rice (01:38)
we were talking about your wizards. and I already told Chris the story about my my my nephew got an AJ Devanta jersey. It was just letting everyone sign it. Because AJ was like with like a dick and like wouldn't like like he walked by him was like not having it. So he was just like, every every two-way player on the court, anyone, like if you worked for the team, I think he'd let you sign it. If you were the beer guy, like he was just holding that out. So like he's got like

Orchid (02:03)
Awesome.

Dan Rice (02:05)
Five signatures. He doesn't really even know any of them. Maybe he knows Trey Man. That's like the one guy he knows. And it was just it was a blast.

chris (02:11)
Mintrip.

Orchid (02:11)
That's awesome.

chris (02:13)
Let's trade man averaging this year. Let's let's pull up the basketball reference page.

Orchid (02:17)
It c it it can't can't be more than two point three and I'm I'm not sure if he's played five games.

Dan Rice (02:22)
If you told me that it's below one, I'd believe it.

Orchid (02:26)
I don't even remember seeing that man on a basketball court. I haven't watched every game yet, but I I

Dan Rice (02:30)
Everyone that signed his jersey did not play in the game. I know that much. Like if you if your if your Sharpie touched his jersey, you weren't getting off that bench.

Orchid (02:35)
Yeah.

chris (02:39)
⁓ Trey Man in five games has averaged four point eight minutes.

Orchid (02:48)
Way more than I would have expected.

Dan Rice (02:49)
How how many points in those minutes though? I bet a lot. I bet he like makes it count.

chris (02:56)
⁓ zero point eight.

Dan Rice (02:59)
Okay, all right. Hey, that rounds up. And then ⁓ the next best story is we're sitting next to the team doctor and my sister is pointing out who Patrick Ewing is to him.

Orchid (03:11)
yeah. That's

Dan Rice (03:13)
It's so good. She's like, he was in space jam.

And I was like, I gotta I gotta imagine he he knows who he is. They work for the same company.

Orchid (03:18)
I was a

I was ⁓ I was listen I was listening to ⁓ some of the Bill Simmons podcasts earlier ⁓ today and I ⁓ Joe House also ⁓ gave a shout out to to your good friend Ted Leonis ⁓ for hooking him up. So you're in you're in good company. You, Joe House.

Dan Rice (03:27)
yeah.

Listen, they didn't I didn't get like I didn't get to go into like where you get the free food and drinks, but the the executive assistant found us and brought us food and drinks.

Orchid (03:52)
That's even better.

Dan Rice (03:52)
So it's like yeah, I'm like I would have liked to had free reign, but like, you know, beggars can't be choosers. So I'll take, you know. She's bringing me all the white wine I could drink.

Orchid (04:03)
That's that's great to hear. Now did you end up making it to waxhuls?

Dan Rice (04:08)
⁓ I didn't even post about that because I didn't have my my phone was dead like the whole day home. Delicious. We did not go, yeah, delicious. ⁓ we did not go to the cathedral because I was like, hey, it's weird I've never been. It costs like a billion dollars.

Orchid (04:13)
Right.

Yeah, it's it's not worth it. It's just a cathedral. It's not that big of a deal.

Dan Rice (04:25)
Yeah, I'm like, we've seen cathedrals. We get it. It was like twenty five bucks a person, plus you have to pay for parking. I was like, hey guys, this is like the most expensive thing we'll have done this weekend. Let's just go eat a giant lunch. And ⁓ we had the brisket, we had the Reuben. I think what my sister got. it was good. It was good.

Orchid (04:27)
Yeah. That's

Yeah.

How about that Rubin? How about that Rubin? That's the when when I when I mention Rubens, that's the Ruben I'm thinking of. Mm-hmm.

Dan Rice (04:46)
What's your picture? I've never even heard of that place. And it's like I'm going there every time I go to DC now.

Orchid (04:52)
It is like the like the hidden gem of like you had to be rich or Jewish to know about that place. neither of those things. I just happened to one got built on my walk to work. ⁓ and that that was that was my go to lunch spot for for many years. Holy fucking shit. I'm glad I I remember when Lane got off the plane to visit me in DC, I brought her a a French sandwich with just you know, just cheese and fucking and ham on a baguette.

Dan Rice (04:59)
Us

Orchid (05:19)
And she got in my car, I was just like, Holy fuck And I like, Girl, you haven't we're going back we're going back tomorrow. Get your real sandwich from this fucking place. They don't miss. They don't miss.

Dan Rice (05:27)
Yeah. I mean that was I don't know, that was I we didn't eat like any great food while we were in town, but that was the best food we ate by far. ⁓

Orchid (05:34)
I believe it. I believe it. Well they do ⁓ which one call it? What is that? You know that food delivery place where could like ⁓ like order food from like r like regional locales? What the fuck's the name of that place?

No? Okay, great. Never mind.

Dan Rice (05:48)
I d I've I've never heard of this. Like they like do they like freeze it and ship it or are they just

Orchid (05:53)
Yeah, yeah. Like you could like get like a Grace Papai if you want it shipped to you. Yeah, let me see if I can find the name of that place. ⁓ name of that.

Dan Rice (05:57)
I didn't know that was a thing.

Orchid (06:05)
Shipping. The fuck's the name of this place? Goldbelly. Goldbelly. They're on Goldbelly. So you could like you could order like a hundred dollars, $115, you get a Ruben sandwich pack. They send you all the ingredients to make your own Rubin. So I just say

Dan Rice (06:16)
Hell yeah. Can I get can get? Terry Blacks from there?

Orchid (06:23)
Probably. I mean I have I've have not looked to see what you could get in Austin because I could just go. yeah. ⁓ but I often look at the waxhuls and being like, is it reasonable for me and Lane to order ⁓ a hundred and five dollars worth of postrami, knowing that I'm the only one who would eat it. Smoked turkey.

Dan Rice (06:27)
You live in Austin, that makes sense.

my God. ⁓ my God. It's so much money to get Terry Black shipped to you. That would be so stupid. I'm thinking about it. I might do it for Thanksgiving. That's really stupid. We love it. I know it's like the touristy places. Like everyone's, everyone, everyone that lives there tells you there's like a better one. We go to the other ones and then we always go back to Terry Blacks.

Orchid (06:48)
I believe it. I believe it. It would be.

It's good. No.

The the one I would recommend that like going over Terry Black's is like not gonna be like hold on one second, let me get the fucking name of this place. There's one place I'd maybe recommend going over Terry's 'cause it's like slightly better, but reality of it is you're gonna get good like barbecue if you're in Austin. Like that's that's like not. ⁓

chris (07:14)
What

Dan Rice (07:19)
And yeah, I mean I've haven't had any band yet.

Orchid (07:32)
Ooh, law barbecue. I might heard that in a minute. Shh. Yeah. Yeah.

Dan Rice (07:35)
⁓ that was good. And honest that was really good. Honestly, not much more than ⁓ Terry Black's either in price.

Orchid (07:43)
No, no, not really.

Dan Rice (07:45)
I thought the way it was like described to me, I thought we were gonna like really break the bank and it wasn't it wasn't too bad at all.

Orchid (07:51)
Let me let me go ask Lyn, she might know. Shut down, shut down. We're recording? Did it start yet?

Dan Rice (07:57)
It's hard to tell. I was kinda hoping Pat would be here, but I don't know.

How long he needs?

Crystal, you you're like in Milwaukee.

chris (08:12)
Yeah.

Dan Rice (08:14)
Okay. I just like like Milwaukee proper. How far is that from Marshfield? That'd be crazy if you knew.

Three hours. I might be visiting you, man.

Whether you want me to or not.

chris (08:36)
Yeah.

Dan Rice (08:38)
And I usually let that slow me down.

chris (08:39)
No idea.

Have never been to Marshfield.

Dan Rice (08:46)
It is ⁓ two hours and fifty six minutes northwest of you.

I was talking to Chris.

Orchid (09:01)
Okay, cool.

Dan Rice (09:05)
See how much that adds in my

Orchid (09:11)
Yeah, I'm gonna shoot you the the barbecue recommendation that I have for here. It's like equally as good. I feel like slightly better, but than than Terry's.

Dan Rice (09:15)
I'll show you

Were you shooting it?

Orchid (09:24)
I'm gonna sh I'm gonna I'll shoot a U in Discord.

Dan Rice (09:26)
okay.

So what Pat's allowed to join late, but this big top tonight feels like very pat coded. So I don't think we can just be I've never been in this place.

Orchid (09:53)
Pretty good. Pretty good. I I I I think like go to like if I want barbecue, that's that's where I'm gonna go.

Dan Rice (10:03)
Where in Austin is this?

Orchid (10:04)
Down think there's one there there are a couple. There are a couple. ⁓ there's one that's like

Dan Rice (10:07)
Okay.

Orchid (10:11)
There's one w when you go to Terry's, you go to one of your like the the thrift stores, like near campus.

Dan Rice (10:18)
⁓ we go to the one near like shit. Yeah, it's near the Swift Stories, yeah, near campus, yeah. It's it's near that ⁓ the springs too, right? Yeah, yeah. That's the one we go to.

Orchid (10:31)
Yeah. Yeah. There's one a little north, the the style switch is is a little north of that.

Dan Rice (10:36)
Okay. All right.

Orchid (10:41)
by Springs you mean Barton Springs.

Dan Rice (10:42)
Yeah, I think it's by Barton Springs. I feel like the Terry Blacks we go to. Is there a Terry Blacks by there?

Orchid (10:47)
There is.

Dan Rice (10:48)
Yeah, that's the one we go to. But we go all over, so I mean it's not

Orchid (10:51)
You you might r you might run into Dave Chappelle and or Elon Musk at that one. That's when Elon Musk likes to frequent.

Dan Rice (10:57)
Like the Terry Brack Blacks.

Orchid (10:59)
Terry Black's near near the springs. Yeah.

Dan Rice (11:01)
⁓ I've never I one time I just I should not tell the story. There's like the table that's like roped off and I go, What the fuck is this? You can just rope off a table, you could just call ahead and get a table. I thought it was gonna be someone like Dave Chappelle or lam. So like this is some goddamn bullshit. It was for a table of blind people.

Orchid (11:21)
Yeah.

Dan Rice (11:25)
I'm like, this, this is this this cannot stand.

Orchid (11:26)
Man.

Damn, in it's just ableism on one trip, ⁓ d stolen valor on another. I mean, the things you're doing to the blind community just just absurd.

Dan Rice (11:39)
I didn't even buy those ⁓ blind tickets and it listen, I joined the Facebook group in case I wasn't gonna buy those buy those tickets for the blind people. And it was a big hubba because they didn't get ⁓ go down and watch the practice like they were told they were gonna get to. Wait, was it blind or no deaf, right? They were deaf, yeah, because watching the practice wouldn't be as exciting.

Orchid (11:56)
They were deaf, they were deaf, yeah, they were deaf, yeah. I thought this sounds a confusing sentence for me for a second. But that's my own ableism, coming out the play. Yeah.

Dan Rice (12:06)
Yeah. That was that was like plan that was plan B if plan A of just asking for free tickets didn't work, but it worked.

Orchid (12:14)
Mm. Yeah. Yeah.

Dan Rice (12:15)
⁓ and the Ravens game the next day, my nephew, I was really proud of him. We were spoken to me and he's like, Hey, I know we got those tickets for free, and I know that we have a hundred and fifty dollar stub hub credit from the from our credit card. He's right. And he's like, So I found tickets for the Ravens game that would be free. It's like, and then I could help pay for parking. And I was like, This is a lot of like momentum and like, you know, forethought. And I like you planning it. I'm like, let's not.

Orchid (12:31)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Dan Rice (12:46)
Let's first let's first beg for tickets and see if we get it for free. And then we got it for free.

Orchid (12:53)
Life lessons with Uncle Dan.

Dan Rice (12:54)
Like lesson. Yeah. Just ask for stuff and you'll just get it. And then I was like, and then we still have one hundred fifty dollars for subco credit, though we'll use like a blue jacket scam or something for them the year.

Orchid (13:07)
There you go.

Did we decide we're starting now, Pat? What did did we

Dan Rice (13:12)
Think I think we kind of are. I think we are at this point. I think we've started at some point during the barbecue or the ableism or

Orchid (13:18)
Yeah, that's a good point.

chris (13:19)
I mean, that's what we're known for.

Dan Rice (13:21)
Yeah. That's the two things.

Orchid (13:22)
That's yeah, that's fair.

Dan Rice (13:25)
my god. we really need Pat if we're gonna be able to like shit talk people with autism. Is that what he does? What does he do? Okay. I didn't do it. I'm the good guy here.

Orchid (13:43)
Sure if Pat explicitly calls out their autism. I think that might be me. I not to say he doesn't allude to ⁓

The Miriad of mental health struggles are audience house.

chris (13:52)
He well ⁓ well Pat just calls people annoying and then everyone goes he's autistic, you f motherfucker.

Dan Rice (14:04)
Listen, as listen, I just my nephew just spoke about autistic and he's annoying as hell. They're not mutually exclusive at all.

Orchid (14:13)
Coming in hot. Coming in hot.

Dan Rice (14:15)
⁓

So here's part of my problem with this having a pro wrestling podcast every week. I don't watch pro wrestling, number one. And then when I do, it usually has to do with my favorite wrestling podcast, Painter St. Six and the Pictures. So like I'm like, what if I I'm trying to see what I've watched this week? And like, ⁓ a lot of Sasha Banks. You guys, you don't even need the you don't need to listen to this. Listen to the better podcast about that.

Orchid (14:24)
Mm-hmm.

Mm. Mm.

Yeah, tell me about it.

Better. I don't know about that. That's true. We do see more slurs on that one.

Dan Rice (14:50)
Well, you know, different.

What were you guys talking about at the beginning of this? I remember. Yeah. Yeah.

Orchid (15:02)
Medifist. Meaty fist. Yeah. I introduced ⁓ Collective Meedifist. ⁓ quote un unconsensually, which I'm I'm I'm very I'm very concerned about that ⁓ I did not ask for consent to share my screen. I'm looking forward to asking for consent to share my screen in this call though, I'll tell you that much. It's gonna be gonna be gonna be a real X-rayed time.

Dan Rice (15:07)
⁓ it's

I think, you know, as we talked about as we talked about off air, consent's really difficult.

Orchid (15:28)
We did not talk about that affair. We did not. That is Dan. That is Dan on his own.

Dan Rice (15:30)
We all.

It might have been before you two got here, I was just kinda doing like a monologue.

Orchid (15:43)
The vagina monologues with Tanner.

Dan Rice (15:44)
I was like, what even is what does even enthusiastic mean? Like how enthusiastic?

Orchid (15:56)
I'm not touching that one.

Dan Rice (15:56)
It's like Pat got on, heard what we were talking about and just dipped back out.

Orchid (16:04)
⁓ fuck. Yeah, it's it's yeah.

chris (16:04)
That's good. That's smart.

Dan Rice (16:11)
But I could talk about other wrestling. I did watch other wrestling this week if you guys want to hear about it. I watched

Orchid (16:16)
know if did you do you introduce did you introduce the episode yet you're breaking up too by the way

Dan Rice (16:18)
Holy shit. Holy shit. Welcome to Violent People Radio. Feels rude to introduce this without Pat, but I'm here. Dan Rice, as always. Pat will be here, I promise. I'm also joined by Chris. How's it going, Chris? We missed ya.

chris (16:19)
He did not.

I missed you two.

Dan Rice (16:40)
And Orchid. Orchid. We didn't miss you.

Orchid (16:44)
Yeah. Love you too.

Dan Rice (16:45)
I mean, you were here and then I listened to the patrons saying so it's like I you know, I was always around you.

Orchid (16:50)
How hell can I?

chris (16:51)
Orchid's always with us.

Dan Rice (16:53)
Yeah. I just play the old ep podcast on loop as I fall asleep, so it's like I'm falling asleep with you in the

Orchid (16:53)
Can't stop orcharding, you know.

Which is weird 'cause I'm also in the room with you.

Dan Rice (17:05)
You're also in the room and you're always like turn that down.

Orchid (17:08)
I am

Dan Rice (17:11)
we're joined by another guest, Casey Jane Hall. How's it going? Good. She says it's going good. All right.

Orchid (17:18)
All right. now I really don't want to do this, but I'd like it it feels weird to do this later in the episode.

Dan Rice (17:19)
⁓

you want to get you wanna open with it.

Orchid (17:31)
I mean, I just I don't wanna do it without Pat, but like what if Pat doesn't show up? You know? I mean we're really we're really

Dan Rice (17:35)
That which is a I think is a real possibility. The man works hard.

Orchid (17:39)
Which is a real possibility. He is. He's a hard working man. ⁓

chris (17:42)
He works hard for the money.

Orchid (17:45)
And and and and the municipality of of Boston, Massachusetts. I don't know, Dan, I'm gonna put it in your hands. What do you think? You think we should wait for Pat or you think we should

Dan Rice (17:54)
I say I say let's let it rip. I'm excited. You now I I want to see it.

Orchid (17:58)
Right, you wanna let it rip well Chris, ⁓ you know, I I you we know you've been having a really normal time the last couple of weeks. ⁓ just a really normal time. And ⁓ you know, we figured if you're having a really normal time, you know, you might need, you know, somebody to help you feel a little ⁓ more normal. ⁓ so I elicited ⁓ one of a long standing friend of the podcast. ⁓

chris (18:04)
Yeah.

Orchid (18:27)
He's got something to say to you.

chris (18:29)
my god.

Orchid (18:31)
No, just I'm gonna pick play, let me know if y'all could hear it.

Dan Rice (18:36)
I cannot hear it.

chris (18:37)
I cannot.

Orchid (18:37)
You cannot alright, I'm off to a great start already. Here we go. Real tight ship we got going on here. ⁓ We will fix it in post.

Dan Rice (18:40)
This is a we'll fix it in post.

People loved last week's episode, the audio engineering I did.

Orchid (18:51)
No it's sure.

Dan Rice (18:54)
Here we go. I can hear it.

Orchid (19:02)
Yeah.

Dan Rice (19:50)
Yeah.

⁓ this is good advice.

Orchid (22:10)
Good job, baby.

chris (22:17)
I will

All right, ⁓ I'm gonna like

Gonna leave the call. I've gotta walk to the store and buy fifteen Diet Cokes.

Dan Rice (22:41)
A little scared for man's.

Orchid (22:44)
well.

Dan Rice (22:46)
I actually think two C fours is way better for you than fifteen sodas a day.

Not a health expert, but

Orchid (22:58)
My favorite part of it was like he picks up the nicotine pouches and go, all Manson's on these things. Now don't do But if you're on these, he's pretty good.

Dan Rice (23:10)
We're gonna have to put like a warning label on this episode.

Orchid (23:14)
A Surgeon General warning.

Dan Rice (23:15)
Yeah. None of this is medical advice, folks.

Orchid (23:20)
Mm.

Dan Rice (23:21)
Did you learn stuff though, Chris? Did it cheer you up and then it was you learn? Okay.

chris (23:24)
I learned a lot. I it definitely cheered me out. Thank you. Thank you so much. It it has been it has been a very hard week and a half. ⁓ but thank thank you guys for for putting that together for me.

Dan Rice (23:28)
⁓

Mm.

Orchid (23:42)
Of course. Of course. Yeah, it d we we we s we slaved over figuring out what question to ask and ⁓ I I I I

Dan Rice (23:51)
That I couldn't have imagined it going better.

Orchid (23:54)
I cannot either. The only way it could have went better is if we had somehow mentioned like amusement parks like that. And I d you know what? That's that's that's my mistake. I should have

Dan Rice (24:07)
He just learned about Starbucks, it seems like.

Orchid (24:07)
Yeah.

I also I was dying laughing too. It just like, you know, 'cause obviously he didn't know you were barista, but I just love the idea of like of just a barista being like, Man, how do you get your caffeine? Like, well have you heard of Starbucks?

chris (24:29)
I didn't I didn't I wasn't a lawyer.

Dan Rice (24:31)
Yeah. You might want to check out.

Orchid (24:34)
⁓ man. I'm gonna thank Mance. You can you Google it. I'm gonna thank Mance by linking him to your review of Seth Rollins Coffee.

Dan Rice (24:36)
You can Google it.

Now, someone could fact check me on this one. Mance has now been on more episodes than Tanner.

Orchid (24:50)
This year.

Dan Rice (24:51)
Okay.

Orchid (24:54)
No. Is that true? How many times have we had Manson? I don't know how many times we've had Manson. I think we might have had him three times.

Dan Rice (24:56)
I don't know how many times T's been on this year. We've only had Manson twice. Well, if actually if you count, I think I've played Dan Rice more than just the I think he's been on a couple of times in that way.

Orchid (25:06)
That's true.

Yeah, that's true. That's true.

Dan Rice (25:12)
That was beautiful.

Orchid (25:13)
I I I yes last week's episode was l like so fucking painful. I didn't even realize what I was in for. and like I I I I did not realize like obviously Chris, I missed you, but like I did not realize having Pat to kind of like calm all of you down is like so important, but there was no one to do that. You the three of you were just off the rails having gay sex like on on a podcast for for ninety minutes. It was ⁓ it was one of the most stressful periods of my life.

Dan Rice (25:43)
Browned out.

chris (25:43)
Yeah, I'm sorry you had to go through that.

Orchid (25:46)
Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. You did warn me. ⁓ I don't I don't know why I didn't heed it. I was like, no, this is gonna be fun. I had th throw in the penisless castle freak and that really that really sent me over the edge.

Dan Rice (26:04)
I didn't like the way you were talking about last week's episode, so I dipped out for a second.

Orchid (26:09)
No, it was a great episode and just it was one of the ones where like I enjoyed being a fan more than a host.

Dan Rice (26:16)
I don't even remember what we talked about. I'm sure it was all really good stuff. ⁓

Orchid (26:21)
I blacked out the minute Tanner did the the Monday night football team. That was when I was gone.

Dan Rice (26:27)
The ri th you're talking all this shit. You played that movie louder than anything's ever been played in my ears.

Orchid (26:33)
That's the lowest volume I could set it at.

Dan Rice (26:35)
That was crazy. I if you would have put it the highest volume, I would have died.

Orchid (26:42)
⁓ yeah, we still haven't figured we still haven't perfected that. I and if you are listening, I just wanna promise we are not gonna do a Malcolm X episode. We're not gonna sit down to get You you wanna watch Malcolm X together?

Dan Rice (26:51)
I can't I can't promise that.

I just watched Malcolm X not the movie per se, but two clips back to back on TikTok from the movie.

Orchid (27:01)
⁓ all right. Yeah, that's just as good.

chris (27:03)
That's the same as sitting down for three hours.

Dan Rice (27:05)
It got me in the mood to watch it though. I like, All right.

Orchid (27:09)
you and Tanner could have a lovely time.

Dan Rice (27:12)
When people think about race relations, they think Dan Rice and Tanner. I don't know if his la last name's out there.

But mine is right now. Yep.

Orchid (27:23)
Yours is.

chris (27:24)
Rass.

Dan Rice (27:28)
I don't know how I talk about wrestling after all that.

I already said I'm not talking. I will say I was just saying, I'm not going to talk about Mercedes-Monet, Sasha Banks, but I will quickly, you called her the either your favorite or the best American women's wrestler ever. Is this correct? Or wait, no, no, no. American, ⁓ living American wrestler. So so that that yeah, that made me think, who is your favorite that's dead?

Orchid (27:36)
I was about to say ⁓

Colts are my favorite Amer living American wrestler, yeah.

My favorite that's dead? Sabo.

Dan Rice (28:05)
⁓ okay. So you didn't qualify it with the I sorry. I thought you qualified it with female. I was like, I think she is I don't think I realized this. I was listening to you guys talk about her and I started thinking I think she is the greatest American women's wrestler of all time. I don't think it's super close.

Orchid (28:19)
It's you know, it's interesting because we really leaned in heavy that Sarah Del Rey was on our episode. ⁓ I think the day after we finished the Sarah Del Rey episode, I don't even remember what it was. Mercedes did something incredible. I can't I I fucking can't remember. ⁓ if it it wasn't the Willow match. I think it was a little bit No, it was. It was the Willow match. ⁓ yeah, a few days the day after we recorded the Sarah Del Rey episode was Mercedes versus Willow, and you came on VPR or like Orchid, I think both of you were out to lunch on that.

Dan Rice (28:49)
⁓ so apparently I've already thought that, but I thought it again, listening again.

Orchid (28:49)
⁓

Yeah, and you know, it's one of those things like ⁓ I mean I don't I mean, yeah, what a woman. It's just so it's so hard to it's so hard to contextualize, ⁓ to me, just like how like she's just light years better than like anyone, like ⁓ i i in in her generation at least, who's also a woman. yeah, it feels like fuck it feels completely fucking unfair. ⁓

Dan Rice (29:16)
And then I think this happens a lot too where I think nostalgia does this to me where like some of my favorites from the past, I feel like they were around longer than they were. When you start talking about dates of the Sasha matches, I'm like, that's that's twelve years ago. That's eleven years ago.

Orchid (29:31)
Right. Yeah, it's fucking wild. It's wild that those like yeah, we're so far removed from those NXT matches, like that they'd be like they'd be like close to entering high school. Like at this point. It's ⁓ it's fucking bananas. Fucking bananas. and yeah, that's that was all with just the NXT stuff Collette hasn't even seen a lot of the AEW work, which is ⁓ yeah, which should be fun. Yeah. Yeah.

Dan Rice (29:52)
that's yeah, that's gonna be exciting. ⁓ But yeah, I s I prefaced that well, I'm not gonna talk about her, and then I'd like I'm actually gonna talk about her, but she's awesome. yeah, actually I can segue that what I watched this week. I watched the last ⁓ two matches from Dynamite last night. ⁓ Chompa and Bailey and

The main event of ⁓ Death Riders, Moxley and Marina versus Jay White and Mercedes Monet. ⁓ it's funny because there's similar lengths, but like Ciampa and Bailey felt like it went on forever. ⁓ it was fine. Like I'm not like I'm not hating on it. I kinda like Bailey's shit.

I think it's a little I think it's I think I like him much better in tag teams, but I thought this was fine. ⁓ but the main event was awesome. ⁓ even with Jay White, he couldn't he couldn't bring it down. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. I yeah, we need we need the Mercedes ⁓ Marina Shafir singles match, like ASAP.

Orchid (30:51)
Love to hear that.

chris (30:52)
I mean, you've got three of the best in the world.

Orchid (30:55)
Yeah.

Well yeah, well you got what, two days to wait?

Dan Rice (31:05)
Yeah. is that happening? I see I don't I'm I wasn't even paying attention. I had it on mute, so I didn't realize that was going on at the show. That makes sense.

Orchid (31:12)
Yeah, I'm I I did not realize it until multiple people told me that we have to watch it ahead of ⁓ ahead of recording. ⁓ as if we don't do enough for everybody. Yeah.

Dan Rice (31:17)
Hell yeah.

I'm pulling a full gear right now. Yeah. All right. You're not, you're right. I don't want to see any of this. I don't want to. Hey.

Pto (31:28)
Hey, all right, what's up? What's happening? What'd I miss?

Orchid (31:30)
Yeah

Dan Rice (31:34)
We're just previewing AEW Full Gear 2026.

Pto (31:38)
Okay, well I can leave then.

Orchid (31:40)
Wait, should we should we play it for him again? Should we should we play it again? Yeah, okay. Give me no I can't do it in.

Dan Rice (31:42)
A hundred percent immediately start it.

okay. Pat, you're about to see the the gift that Orchid got for Chris.

I don't want to see any of the rest of this full gear. By the way, just that just a one mismatch. I guess the Young Bucks and Davis and Doyle will probably be fun. Here we go.

Orchid (31:58)
Yeah, well, you know.

Pto (34:09)
How long is this?

Dan Rice (34:13)
You're getting your bang for your buck.

chris (35:07)
Everything.

Pto (35:38)
He doesn't know what T is.

Orchid (35:44)
So

Pto (35:44)
I mean it's there's not a lot of caffeine and tea, but still.

chris (35:48)
I mean if you're drinking if you're drinking fifteen diet cokes, like the the conversion

Pto (35:52)
Yeah, that was that was the thing that made me be like, okay, ⁓ within five years he's going to be in a diabetic coma.

chris (36:00)
Like that's at least thirty green teas.

Dan Rice (36:06)
If you can't

Pto (36:06)
That's also like that's also just like a recipe for stomach cancer.

Orchid (36:11)
Yeah.

chris (36:11)
Yeah, the acidity is crazy.

Orchid (36:16)
My favorite thing about this was

Pto (36:17)
I didn't know you don't like coffee, Chris.

chris (36:18)
yeah, I hate it, famously.

Dan Rice (36:21)
He he says he's gonna try Starbucks.

Pto (36:25)
All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna put the kibosh on that one. No, Starbucks, ⁓ biggest union busters in the country.

chris (36:31)
That is true. That is true.

Dan Rice (36:32)
And Chris also hates unions.

Orchid (36:32)
Yeah.

chris (36:34)
yeah.

Pto (36:35)
That's mm, okay.

Orchid (36:36)
That's a good that's a point. it's also ⁓ you know, it's also part of the ⁓ the the ⁓ anti Zionist ⁓ protest, which as we know, Chris, ⁓ is not for a free Palestine.

chris (36:37)
But you

Dan Rice (36:51)
That's all they would talk about before we were recording.

Pto (36:52)
I didn't know that.

chris (36:56)
Yeah, the three the three things I hate, coffee, unions, and Batlstein.

Dan Rice (37:06)
Right.

Orchid (37:07)
To get us back on track the

chris (37:09)
there's a fourth thing. I also hate er I also hate beer.

Orchid (37:14)
Up here.

Dan Rice (37:14)
⁓ jaki.

chris (37:15)
I'm sorry.

Orchid (37:17)
I'm perturbed at him thinking that Rockstar i was better than C four. I just looked to check to make sure the the caffeine content ⁓ on a C four is ten milligrams less than it is on a Rockstar. So I don't I don't know.

Pto (37:29)
I mean I I don't know if it's the caffeine that's necessarily the the difference maker in one of those being worse for you than the others. I mean one of them is like they sell like Skittle Flavor C four and I'm just like there's nothing good for your body in that.

Orchid (37:33)
Point.

Mm-hmm.

chris (37:44)
Yeah, those are evil. The candy energy drinks are crazy.

Orchid (37:48)
Yeah, they're delicious.

Pto (37:48)
Plus he can't he can't do C four 'cause they're they've got the WWE ads. He's gotta stay true to Tony. He's gotta be loyal to his capo.

Dan Rice (37:58)
If someone came to me and they're like, I've started I've started taking drinking two C fours a day and I keep an on on nicotine pouch under my lip at all times, I'll stop, but only if I can drink fifteen diet sodas a day. I'd be like, I guess keep drinking I guess you're good.

Orchid (37:59)
The

Pto (38:15)
I mean that just that just tells me that like, okay, so you are someone who's been like who got prescribed Adderall during COVID and is just running out every other week.

Orchid (38:27)
And you know, it's so hard to get Adderall. That's a good point, yeah.

Pto (38:28)
Which is probably true of most wrestlers, to be honest.

Orchid (38:37)
I would love to be the room once

Pto (38:37)
So anyway, full gear, ⁓ the worst show of the year.

Orchid (38:41)
Yep. By a landslide.

Pto (38:42)
Okay.

chris (38:46)
Mercedes versus Marina will thankfully carry.

Dan Rice (38:53)
doesn't I at Cage Match doesn't have like it doesn't feel like it has enough matches for an AEW pay-per-view.

chris (38:59)
I'm sure they'll add a couple.

Dan Rice (39:01)
Yeah.

Orchid (39:02)
Yeah, it's safe safe to safe assumption.

Pto (39:05)
Yeah, Dan, you say that like ninety percent of these pay per views don't have half the card announced day of. Where it's just like

Dan Rice (39:10)
⁓ and I guess there's more now that I Googled it, there's more that's not on the ⁓ cage match page.

Pto (39:17)
Yeah, Tony is like i on Friday he just puts out on Twitter like, by the way, you know, Nick Wayne is facing fucking Chris Jericho or something.

Dan Rice (39:29)
Yeah.

I mean I got I gotta see the cut in Anarchy and the Arena Map.

Pto (39:39)
I don't know. I mean

Orchid (39:39)
Cut, I forgot about the cut. Yeah.

Pto (39:42)
The bang bang gang element of the cut, they give me a bit of hope for an anarchy in the arena match. Do you ever see their HeyEW where they are just destroy actively destroying the stage around them, trying to ruin the interview while Jay White completely no sells all the jokes? So I'm like, if they can make an anarchy in the arena match like a HeyEW, it'll probably be pretty good.

Dan Rice (39:50)
Yes, yeah.

Orchid (39:50)
yeah.

Dan Rice (40:12)
And that is our match by match preview of AEW Fool Gear.

Pto (40:17)
Yeah, another one of our trademark deep dives.

Dan Rice (40:24)
⁓ so how are you doing, Pat? I didn't introduce you. I said you were gonna be here. I didn't really believe it, but here you are. Long day.

Pto (40:30)
No, I'm here. Sorry, no, I've d long day and also I had something that was supposed to wrap up around seven thirty and it did not wrap up until around eight thirty. And then I did not get home until

Dan Rice (40:42)
Sometimes sex goes an hour longer than you think it will.

Pto (40:45)
It's true, it's true. I really didn't like that.

I looking at my watch the entire time.

Dan Rice (40:56)
Damn that's hot.

Pto (41:01)
What did Castle Freak do to you, Dan?

Dan Rice (41:03)
my god, that that movie.

Pto (41:07)
You see one prostitute's boob get ripped off in a fucking Stuart Gordon movie and

Dan Rice (41:12)
No, I just I forgot about Bush.

Orchid (41:17)
⁓

Dan Rice (41:17)
Movie reintroduced to me.

Pto (41:20)
What are you talking about? We just watched that fucking head of the family movie. There was Bush all over the place in that.

Orchid (41:25)
There was Bush in that movie, yeah. There was Bush in that movie. Unforgettable Bush, if you ask me.

Dan Rice (41:26)
You're no, yeah, ⁓ you're right, you're right.

chris (41:32)
I

Dan Rice (41:32)
But I

Pto (41:33)
Well not apparently not to Dan.

Orchid (41:34)
Yeah, I guess not.

chris (41:40)
I'm also having sexual thoughts right now. I'm watching Cade Cunningham in the fourth quarter.

Dan Rice (41:40)
Yeah.

What's the score?

chris (41:49)
⁓ it is one sixteen, one fifteen, Pistons. ⁓ Pistons will have the ball out of timeout.

Dan Rice (41:56)
How how you guys letting that happen?

chris (42:02)
Duncan Robinson has missed seven threes.

⁓ it it's like Kate is single handedly keeping the pistons afloat right now.

Orchid (42:17)
Damn, we could've been watching this together. I didn't even I didn't even think about I was too worried about work. Shame on me.

chris (42:22)
LXR ten for t ten for ten on the night. That's fucking crazy.

Orchid (42:28)
Alexar. Whoa.

All well, me and Chris are a little disposed at the moment.

Pto (42:38)
Dan, did you see that fucking Josh Barnett shot back at Matt Riddle?

Dan Rice (42:42)
of course. That felt like part of our big top though. That feels though, you would not a s I've only discussed I think I've discussed the idea of ⁓ wrestling.

Pto (42:46)
okay. I I figured we were already there. I don't you know, if we were all if you were stretching for time by talking about full gear.

Dan Rice (42:58)
We've we've so far we've we've talked about we think Mercedes Monet is good at wrestling. That's pretty much where we've landed. Okay, yeah.

Pto (42:59)
Well, I didn't watch any, so

Yeah, she's all right.

Orchid (43:06)
You want me to talk you want me to talk about wrestling? I could talk about wrestling.

Pto (43:09)
The thing the thing with Mercedes Monet is she's not t she doesn't have the size. She needs to be more like a Kevin Nash size wrestler.

Dan Rice (43:17)
I was like, I thought you were gonna talk about I was like, you sound Sam right now.

Pto (43:21)
No, no, no. Very different ⁓ attitude, sir.

I also hate the family stone.

Dan Rice (43:26)
Yep. If you do you really hate that movie? You gotta watch it.

Orchid (43:29)
Mm.

Pto (43:30)
I've never seen it.

i now it's an obligation and it's like now if I if I had found it on cable one day and put it on and just been like, Yeah, let me watch this. That's one thing. Now being told I have to watch it Ugh the holidays are hard enough for everyone.

Dan Rice (43:34)
It's fucking it's fucking nuts.

Now you have to watch it on Christmas Day.

Pto (43:56)
But that's when the Avengers are coming out.

You can't watch Doomsday and Family Stone in the same day. That's schizophrenic.

Dan Rice (44:03)
Organ, you over there s you you have first off, you have time. You have time.

Orchid (44:09)
Me?

Dan Rice (44:10)
No, well say, Orchid, you seem like you wanted to talk about some wrestling. I mean, you can go ahead.

Orchid (44:13)
yeah, yeah. ⁓ you know, I mean it is a wrestling podcast. ⁓ I watched a lot of Mercedes Monet That's a good point. I watched a lot of Mercedes Monet, or a lot of Sasha Banks ⁓ and a little bit of Mercedes Monet, more Mercedes Monet on the way. ⁓ I also watched very little Terry Funk. ⁓ I watched De Funks versus the Road Warriors, ⁓ in Puerto Rico in nineteen eighty seven. something I wrote.

chris (44:18)
Allegedly.

Orchid (44:42)
I don't know what it was. ⁓ Mike might be on the website relatively soon. much superior match, nineteen eighty-six, old Japan. ⁓ the Funks versus the Road Warriors. ⁓ if you are really itching to watch those four men w wrestle, which you probably should, ⁓ opt for the old Japan match. It's a little bit better. ⁓ I finally got around to watching the ⁓ what the fuck? Who is in that match? ⁓

Aja Kong, Shihiro, Hashimoto, versus Mayumi Uzaki and Sari, ⁓ from September thirtieth. Finally finally got around to watching that. Very fun time. much more enjoyable match than I expected it to be. ⁓ fuck yeah. ⁓ Os sorry, Chris. ⁓ Ozaki just really adds an element of just unpredictability to the match. That's ⁓ doing a lot of like fucking around with the chain that's really enjoyable.

⁓ I watched

Two G CW matches. ⁓ I did Sicko the Clown versus Neil Diamond Cutter, which Dan, right up your alley, if you haven't seen it yet. ⁓ probably like six minutes too long, but ⁓ absolute hoot. I think it was Neil Diamond Cutter's retirement match. I'm pretty sure they said that yeah, they said it like

Pto (46:02)
Yes. It was it was supposed to be in No Holds Barred, but he went on Facebook and was like, By the way, if any of you have a problem with Matt Tremont, then go fuck yourself or something like that. And

Dan Rice (46:15)
That's that's basically exactly it.

Pto (46:18)
Yeah, and Danny D'AMOTO got really hot about that because Tremont or his wife or someone had said shit about Jeff Cannonball. And D'Monto's doing the Jeff Cannonball tribute show in like a week. So ⁓ he, you know, apparently gave Neil a chance to walk it back. Neil said, Fuck you. And they like it was supposed to be D'Monto versus Neil Diamondcutter, or maybe it was Murdoch versus Neil Diamond Cutter. Either way it was supposed

Orchid (46:29)
Mm. Mm.

Dan Rice (46:46)
I think it was Murdoch.

Pto (46:48)
Yeah, Murdoch for his last ever match, and they just said, like, by the way, this isn't happening anymore. ⁓ good luck on your retirement, bitch. And he went to GCW and faced Sicko the Clowns. So I didn't watch the match, but I heard that one on the fin like someone described it as Sicko did a moonsault, got Neil Diamond Cutter square in the face, and they immediately went to the end after that, and then the broadcast just kind of ended.

Dan Rice (47:09)
Mm-hmm.

Orchid (47:18)
I think I turned it off as soon as the match was over, but yeah, that was my that was my impression. shit. Holy fuck.

⁓ yeah, that that that seemed to to be my my impression of the match too. ⁓

Pto (47:31)
A real real Goldberg style end to his career.

Orchid (47:35)
Yeah. There there are a few ⁓ there were a few really rough looking shots specifically on like dives and moonsaults. ⁓ to the point where like if that was like if that if he actually got shoot hurt, I I I barely even picked up on it. ⁓ yeah, enjoyable. ⁓ had fun with that. And then I did ⁓ from the next night, I did from G CW The Crossroads.

Anakin Murphy, Scotty Vortex and Vipers versus Mr. Danger, Nino, Extremo, and Sickle the Clown. I I wanted to like this more than I did. I ⁓

Pto (48:12)
I'm so glad that you didn't say the main event. You said the G CW the Crossroads. I'm like, if you fucking watch that Joe Gacy match, like I know he's friends with Dan, but

Orchid (48:16)
no.

No. I mostly saw the ⁓ the Sicko the Clown ⁓ dive off the balcony on Twitter and wanted to to check it out. And yeah, I mean, you know, the dive was pretty cool. Match was fine. the funniest part of it was ⁓ at the end Vipress and Nino Extremo are kinda like going one one on one for a bit. ⁓ and then like made up and hugged. And I was like, Well, that's that's kind of boring. ⁓ but but yeah. Yeah.

Pto (48:49)
That's how you make money. You don't make fight, you make hug.

Orchid (48:55)
Exactly. yeah, that bet that about sums up what I've watched. ⁓ I will probably be diving into more the the ⁓ the main event from last night's dynamite, once we're done.

Here.

Pto (49:10)
So I I haven't I've only kind of been barely paying attention for the last like two weeks of wrestling content. Are they doing a John Moxley versus Mercedes Monet feud or is that just something they're like screwing around with?

Orchid (49:23)
They're running Marina and Mercedes at the pay per view. So I think that's yeah, I think I think that was like where

Pto (49:28)
Okay.

'Cause people keep talking about like John Moxley versus Mercedes Monet and I can't tell when these when people talk about this shit, I can't tell if this is like something that's actually happening or if they've just gotten ahead of their skis like they always do.

Orchid (49:43)
Yeah. Definitely the latter. I wouldn't imagine I wouldn't imagine we're gonna get a singles match between the two of ⁓ And I don't imagine Mercedes is losing on Saturday night. So I'm assuming I'll I'm assuming they'll just ride out to the next next challenger.

Pto (49:47)
Okay.

Orchid (50:02)
I guess the continental classic is starting soon.

Pto (50:02)
yeah, 'cause ⁓ Lei Ying Li from T N A, she's a free agent now.

Orchid (50:06)
thank God.

Get her the cut.

Pto (50:12)
Yeah, yeah, that would be awesome actually. Just bring her in like she's in the cut now.

Orchid (50:19)
Why not?

Yeah, that's all I watched.

Dan Rice (50:27)
Yeah. I I'll finish up what I watched. I watched a I like to keep my finger on the pulse. I like to watch stuff right after it happens. So I'm watching the ⁓ Taki ⁓ Takiyama Mania Empire Five from September. People won't stop talking about this, so I had to get into it. I watched I watched the whole show because it's like two hours. ⁓ the main the first match was ⁓

Orchid (50:34)
Uh-huh.

All right.

Dan Rice (50:53)
I guess this is like ⁓ the New Japan young boy, Tatsuya Matsumoto versus Ryuma Sekumo, who's like a big big Japan guy, but the Tatsua Matsumoto guy from New Japan fucking ruled. Yeah. Yeah, I love him. I love him. I'm not gonna watch New Japan, but fucking awesome. ⁓ then the next match was Chihiro Hashimoto and Ryo. What's funny about that?

Orchid (51:07)
He looks sick. Yeah, that guy's fucking awesome.

No, I'm laughing at the fucking wizards. You're doing great.

Dan Rice (51:25)
⁓ shou, I was like, I'm already I'm saying so many Japanese games. Mizunami versus ⁓ Matsumoto and Miyu Yamashida and this fucking ruled and I wanna see the Yamashida Hashimoto singles match. I don't know if that's really happening. This match made it seem as if we're building to that. ⁓

was probably the best. I mean, almost certain actually definitely the best match in the show. ⁓ Cage Match gets really mad about this Denshokudino versus Hadeki Suzuki match, which is really funny. I just pulled up the cage match as a one point nine four.

Orchid (52:03)
That's I I gotta watch that.

Pto (52:03)
my god.

Dan Rice (52:05)
I gotta tell you, it's kinda like whatever you're expecting, it's six minutes of exactly that. Like I I don't I it's it's ex I mean the it's a no contest and I thought the finish was funny.

I'm not like, I'm not like the biggest Dino guy or anything, but man, 1.94 is crazy. I like that.

Pto (52:25)
What I love is when people like say are like Dino's like a total mockery of pro wrestling and then he gets in the ring with guys like Hideki Suzuki or fucking Shinyayoki or whatever and they're like, Yeah, let's do all this stupid bullshit. I love it.

Dan Rice (52:37)
⁓ yeah. Hideki was so on board, which is so funny. It's like he won't lose to anyone under the age of fucking forty. But ⁓ he'll he'll he'll let yeah, but he'll let Dino like pull his tights up into a thong and you know, drag him around the ring by it. ⁓ that that rating made me like this more. It was it was fine. ⁓ the next match was like a r was the was like a six-man.

Pto (52:47)
Well, Dino qualifies.

Dan Rice (53:04)
Tag from DDT Strange Love Connection versus Pale Youth. This was I don't know. I'm sure Porcs watched like this same matchup or a similar matchup like a thousand times. It felt like really like a standard DDT six-man tag. It was fine. ⁓ 12 minutes. Can't really go wrong with that. And then this is the reason I watched the show. Shabata and Kenta versus ⁓ Kal Uno and Katsumi in Ahada, who I guess is like Noah, young boy. And I just like Kao Uno.

Getting the pro wrestling ring. He did it earlier this year at that ⁓ Shinya Ayoki show. so he's had two matches and he fucking rules at it and he's gonna make my VP one hundred. this having said that, this did go on a little long. This is like 17 minutes. ⁓ it's weird, but I don't watch Ring of Honor, so I'm like, Man, it's cool to get to watch Shibata wrestle. And I'm like, he's wrestled a lot this year. Like I have a lot of opportunities to watch him wrestle if I wanted to. I'm just not gonna watch Ring of Honor.

Orchid (54:02)
What

Dan Rice (54:02)
Then the and then the main event was awful. I do not know why I kept it on the whole time. It's like it it is exactly like I should not have been shocked by it, but I just I had this I had the show on, I had watched every match up till then. That for some reason I'm watching Hiroshima and Mara Fuji versus Despie and Minoru Suzuki match, and it's this cage math says 23 minutes. This went on four hours. I I think I fucking hate Minoru Suzuki.

Orchid (54:07)
Say

Dan Rice (54:31)
I think he's so bad now that I hate everything he's ever done. And I thought Mirafuji looked better in this match.

Orchid (54:39)
Well, I mean he's one of the greatest of all time.

Pto (54:41)
I I ca still I can't get o whenever I think about Minora Suzuki, I think of Dave Meltzer hating on him for years and then going to see him at some, you know, show in Japan. And the person he was with, you know, because Dave was complaining, like, Suzuki, he never works with the other wrestler. He's always so uncooperative. And the guy with him said, Dave, that's his style. And then suddenly Dave Meltzer loved Minora Suzuki.

Once he had it explained to him.

Dan Rice (55:13)
Fucking love Dave Melton.

Pto (55:15)
So I'm waiting for someone to explain twenty twenty six Minor Suzuki to me so I can be like, All right, this guy fucking rules.

Dan Rice (55:21)
That's what I was just thinking. Like I'd love if someone could hold my hand and walk me through it.

Orchid (55:25)
I'm sure Dave could. That'd be enjoyable.

Dan Rice (55:29)
No way that they fucking watched this show. ⁓ but you

Orchid (55:33)
One of my favorite I w I t I touched on this a couple of weeks ago, but when when Dave and Jim Cornette were going at each other, one of the things that like I d like that killed me from that was like at one point someone was like, Cornet has taught me more than you ever will. And then Dave was like, Did he tell you AEW was gonna be a success? Did he tell you that Kenny Omega was gonna be a star before anyone else? And I just I I die laughing. Like the way he invents like being a a

Dan Rice (55:53)
shit.

Orchid (56:02)
Kenny Omega super fan for his entire life. Like I didn't realize like Kenny Omega was alive until like he joined Bola Club. I I I always die laughing at that.

Dan Rice (56:12)
Yeah, I saw that response and then someone was like, So you like it's I mean it's like he's done that response like a bunch of times. And it's like like so because Cornette's wrong about this, you're right about everything. Like it it doesn't doesn't fit what he's saying. It's just so stupid. And it just I wish they both could just never talk again. ⁓

Orchid (56:20)
A hundred times, yeah.

⁓

I ⁓ appreciate him dying as soon as Jim Cornett roasted him on YouTube. I got a big kick out of that. Jim Heard's ⁓ death date unannounced, but ⁓ seemed to have happened in October. ⁓ so it very well could have been because of Jim Cornett's Cornette side of the ring. None of y'all watching that, I'm assuming.

Dan Rice (56:55)
You gotta.

Orchid (56:56)
Yeah.

Pto (56:58)
I it's so bullshit that there's a thing called Cornet side of the ring. They couldn't come up with any better name than Cornette Side of the Ring.

Dan Rice (57:07)
Nothing but Cornette. I'm I'm still working on it. I'm so sorry. That's like his basketball thing. I'm starting. ⁓ okay. I hate to say I did actually watch that. ⁓ not not that shit. What was it? The invasion. I watched the invasion clip from Cornette's side of the ring. And it has to be like this has to be like one of his demands is that he starts by being like, I'm Jim Cornette. I've been a fucking manager for a thousand years and I'm a booker and I'm a genius. And I host ⁓ whatever his podcast is called. What is it?

Orchid (57:11)
That's good. That's good. No, that's good. That's I would love to hear Jim Crennett's take on the NBA.

Dan Rice (57:37)
the Cornette, the Dim Cornette experience. ⁓ the ⁓ the number one pro wrestling podcast in the world. I'm like, that is such an introduction. It's crazy to give it to yourself.

Pto (57:38)
The drive thru or something? ⁓ yeah.

Orchid (57:49)
It is true though, he is number one.

Dan Rice (57:51)
I mean, yeah. With those kind of takes, how could you not be?

Orchid (57:58)
I do

Dan Rice (57:58)
But yeah, that's all the wrestling I watched was Sasha matches and then that show.

Orchid (58:07)
Sick.

Lot of wrestling watching for somebody who ⁓ said that didn't watch didn't watch wrestling.

Dan Rice (58:16)
Yeah. Well most of that came in like one sitting.

Orchid (58:18)
As per usual.

Dan Rice (58:25)
⁓ Pat, did you literally watch No Wrestling?

Pto (58:28)
I haven't no, I just have not had the time or the energy or the desire.

Dan Rice (58:34)
Now, Chris, you famously have had nothing going on ⁓ for the last few weeks. How much wrestling have you watched?

chris (58:39)
I've actually watched a fair bit of it. I am not gonna talk about it.

Dan Rice (58:42)
hell yeah.

What'd you say?

chris (58:47)
I said I'm not going to talk about it's like old it's like like I've been I've been in a bad mental spot. I've watched a lot of months old AEW.

Dan Rice (58:51)
I love that. Great.

Pto (58:51)
The secret

Finally got the Ace Austin debut and

chris (59:02)
boy. No, he he debuted a while ago.

Orchid (59:07)
⁓ all right.

Dan Rice (59:08)
been there for it.

Orchid (59:12)
You were in you you were in there in his heart at minimum.

Dan Rice (59:15)
No, I I think he was that I think it was at that Cincinnati show because I think or may maybe not. But I just know I remember being like, I don't like Ace Austin and I opened up the Discord and people were like, I hope Ace Austin gets stabbed in the eyeball. I hope he fucking dies. And I was like, All right, man, I think he's fine. He just does like some stupid flips sometimes.

Orchid (59:34)
Gotta love our Discord.

Pto (59:34)
Where is this energy from these people for the ones who actually deserve that?

Dan Rice (59:35)
Yeah,

Orchid (59:40)
Like who? Sami Zayn?

Pto (59:43)
⁓ no, no Sammy Zayn's okay. I'm just trying to think who in AEW deserves that kind of vitriol because ⁓ now that I'm thinking about I'm like, ⁓ everyone kinda gets that except for whoever is the new shiny thing of the month and John Moxley.

Orchid (1:00:05)
John Boxley gets a fair share of it too though.

Pto (1:00:07)
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, man. ⁓ wrestling fans don't like anything.

Orchid (1:00:14)
Including wrestling.

Dan Rice (1:00:14)
Did you guys see did you guys see Josh?

Pto (1:00:15)
I think it's more just I think it's more that they don't like themselves, but

Dan Rice (1:00:20)
Do you see Josh Bishop getting dragged because he didn't watch ⁓ any Sid Bishop's matches?

Orchid (1:00:27)
Yes, I got a kick out of that. How old is he? Fourteen?

Pto (1:00:28)
I don't

Dan Rice (1:00:31)
Josh Bishop was like not a like he's was born in the late nineties. Like what what Sid Bishop should he have watched?

And the best thing about Sid Vicious is the best thing about Josh Bishop, they're both fucking idiots. That's part of the charm.

I did try to watch more wrestling. Josh Bishop, new MLW champion. I'm like, okay, let me watch this fucking newest MLW show. Let me watch my boy get strapped up. And ⁓ yeah.

Orchid (1:01:00)
Mm.

Pto (1:01:01)
And then he immediately posted free agent.

Dan Rice (1:01:04)
I download I download the Veeps app to my phone because I'm like, apparently I gotta watch it on Veeps. ⁓ it costs money. And I was like, okay, well, it costs twenty dollars, but then I don't look again and it goes up thirty the day of the show, and then it stays at thirty. If I wanna watch, I gotta pay thirty dollars. I didn't see anyone upload the ship because who the fuck's uploading MLW?

Pto (1:01:08)
no, Dan.

Dan Rice (1:01:26)
So I couldn't watch it. I gave up. I can't pay thirty dollars. I had to look in the mirror.

Pto (1:01:30)
I just realized I was in the building for a John Moxley versus Roosh match that I forgot I was there for.

Orchid (1:01:40)
It's a great company.

Dan Rice (1:01:42)
There's there's too much good wrestling, even though wrestling sucks.

Pto (1:01:46)
Yeah, I I apparently went to an AEW show in Worcester and I'm looking at this like I remember the main event. I don't remember any of the rest of this show.

Orchid (1:01:57)
I saw Rancid playing Worcester.

Pto (1:02:00)
I'm sorry.

Orchid (1:02:01)
Yeah. Yeah, me too.

Pto (1:02:07)
But yeah, Josh Bishop, ⁓ Josh Bishop.

Orchid (1:02:07)
Let's let's let's try something out here. Is that working? Can you all see can you all see the NBA game?

chris (1:02:13)
I don't want to.

Pto (1:02:13)
Yes.

Orchid (1:02:14)
that's fucking sick. Alright. You don't wanna, Chris? I just realized we could watch League Pass now while we record.

Dan Rice (1:02:18)
So

When when you saw Rancid, was it like would you hang out with Lars and Punk after or man.

Orchid (1:02:26)
I did not. I I w I wish. I wish I I wish I did. I wish I did.

Dan Rice (1:02:29)
Hey, this this this Dynamite you went to, what is this? Yeah, Dynamite you went to pretty fucking good show.

Pto (1:02:35)
Yeah, yeah. No, Sammy Guevara, Danhausen, Hook?

Dan Rice (1:02:39)
Okay. All right. All right. I just meant I just meant you started with Moxley and Roosh and you ended with Garcia and Danielson. That's a pretty good night.

Orchid (1:02:43)
Did they wrestle each other?

Pto (1:02:49)
Yeah, I mean I remember being there for Garcia versus Danielson. Like the rest of it I'm just kinda like what the hell? I saw si No, no, it was ⁓ fucking ⁓ the ref stopped it.

Orchid (1:02:55)
Was that the two out of three Falls match?

Dan Rice (1:03:03)
You know, it's funny, I was I was there for the two out of three Falls match. That was in Charleston, West Virginia.

Orchid (1:03:04)
⁓

That was the one where that was the one where Garcia wins, right? He didn't win the two at three calls? That's alright. Garcia won.

Dan Rice (1:03:12)
No. Garcia got the first fall and then Danielson got the next two, I think.

Pto (1:03:16)
I w I was at the one where Garcia won by the ref stoppage.

Orchid (1:03:22)
Good match. That was almost ⁓ what could have been?

Pto (1:03:28)
Man, I wish Josh Bishop was like in the cut or in the Death Riders or imagine like the dumb guy energy he would bring to an AEW sage. Just getting up there, being a lunatic.

Dan Rice (1:03:42)
He's so good at like that bullshit. Like though I I used to think I like Wes Barkley matches, but I really like Josh Bishop wandering around the ringside just being a fucking idiot. Holy shit. I just now looked at the screen. I are you got Pistons losing, Chris? This is not gonna help. This is not gonna help your mental health.

chris (1:04:00)
Yeah. No.

Orchid (1:04:03)
But it's like it's me. You want me to put money on it? 'Cause then then then then I'll then they'll win.

Pto (1:04:07)
Did you tell the Pistons that you needed this?

chris (1:04:10)
They should know they should know.

Dan Rice (1:04:11)
it could be your fault.

chris (1:04:16)
I Cade Cunningham clearly knows. Everyone else didn't get the memo.

Orchid (1:04:23)
Yeah, that's fair based on the box score. ⁓ it's still a game. It still might still might work out in Chris's favor.

chris (1:04:29)
This is like easily his best game this season. He is going crazy.

Orchid (1:04:33)
I sh I for for full clarity now, like now that I know that like streaming leak pass works, like this is this we're gonna do this every every episode, right? We gotta, right? We gotta

Dan Rice (1:04:41)
We have to. It's Chris is way more locked into the podcast than he was before.

chris (1:04:41)
Absolutely.

Yeah, heads up defensive play by Duncan Robinson.

Pto (1:04:48)
Ha ⁓

Orchid (1:04:51)
Look Chris, there's there's still a chance here. Look. Yeah.

chris (1:04:53)
beautiful beautiful possession. Beautiful possession.

Orchid (1:04:59)
This is the worst podcast in America. I'm so happy to be a part of it.

chris (1:05:04)
We played the same cameo that's five minutes long twice.

Orchid (1:05:07)
Ha

Dan Rice (1:05:08)
And it's like we did it like five minutes apart.

Orchid (1:05:12)
⁓ man. And people are gonna listen to this whole episode. There there are like seven people.

Dan Rice (1:05:15)
Yes, someone people and they're gonna comment on like how we answer the bullshit questions at the end of this show. ⁓

Pto (1:05:18)
Yeah. Well I mean

Orchid (1:05:22)
Yeah.

Pto (1:05:23)
In Tanner's defense, he's gonna listen to it at like six X speed.

Dan Rice (1:05:28)
my god. Listen, as a as a new Wizards fan, I gotta say, watching Trey Young just do anything with the basketball is really stressful.

Orchid (1:05:36)
It's not good. It's not I I was looking forward to it. It's not it's very stressful. It's not it's horrible.

chris (1:05:37)
He is

Dan Rice (1:05:40)
It's not a fun experience. My my

chris (1:05:41)
It's yeah. Yeah, even when he's going o off, he's not fun to watch.

Dan Rice (1:05:47)
My ⁓ my my nephew's friend was with us, Ethan, and he turns and he goes, So Trae Young's not very good anymore, huh? And we're just surrounded by employees the wizards that go, you we all have off nights.

Orchid (1:06:02)
He can still facilitate. That's the that's the one thing he's got going for him.

Dan Rice (1:06:05)
even that I say, even that game we were at, I think he had ten assists. I mean

He did that but

Orchid (1:06:11)
Yeah, you should have saw the you should have saw how he almost blew this game. It it's an experience because he he almost lost this game with one of the fuck like he almost lost the he lost his handle three times and stepped out of bounds and then hit a three pointer with one point eight seconds left to send us in the fucking overtime. This is torture watching this fucking this guy play. It's horrible. I can't wait. Another five years of this.

Dan Rice (1:06:35)
At least he's you got him on a good contract though.

Orchid (1:06:38)
Yeah, great contract. Great contract.

chris (1:06:38)
Yeah. Very tradable.

Dan Rice (1:06:47)
We're talking we're talking basketball. We'll talk about my fucking calves. We don't have a single tradable player and are just at five hundred and we'll just stay at five hundred apparently. We if we can't even be a good regular season team, what are we gonna do?

Orchid (1:06:47)
Can't even

No.

What do you What do you think of the second apron? You know? Are we gonna questions about the second apron?

Dan Rice (1:07:06)
Listen, it's ruining the league.

chris (1:07:07)
You have been listening to Bill.

Dan Rice (1:07:11)
I think that ⁓ w you're usually ableist, but I'm pretty sure that just listening to Bill Simmons is both sexist and homophobic.

Orchid (1:07:19)
yeah, absolutely. Yeah, of course. Racist as well.

Dan Rice (1:07:23)
I mean almost certainly.

Orchid (1:07:26)
What a guy.

Dan Rice (1:07:27)
My favorite podcast.

Orchid (1:07:29)
Let's throw it a pearl jam. A good friend's pearl jam.

Pto (1:07:34)
Speaking of Worcester, should I go to C Z W on New Year's Day?

chris (1:07:38)
Yes.

Orchid (1:07:38)
absolutely. If from watching last year's C CW New Year show, ⁓ this is cr that's ⁓ he's very good at playing basketball. I I I don't I I don't know what to tell you, this gets amazing.

Dan Rice (1:07:39)
Fuck yes, you should.

chris (1:07:44)
Holy shit, Cade.

If if my shirt if my shirt wasn't already off.

Orchid (1:07:57)
I've I've watched him play exactly two games. I'm like, you is Kate Cunningham really good basketball?

Dan Rice (1:07:57)
⁓

You get all the like all the hot takes from our podcast. Mercedes Money, good at wrestling. Kate Cunningham, good at basketball.

Orchid (1:08:09)
Tri Trey Young not good at basketball. Get the fuck out of here!

What a waste of eight minutes of our lives.

chris (1:08:18)
I'm I'm having a good time.

Dan Rice (1:08:19)
⁓ my god.

Orchid (1:08:21)
All for you, Chris. All for you. All for you.

Dan Rice (1:08:24)
John Collins looks so happy.

Orchid (1:08:26)
We we could build a parlay after this. I I'd I'd love to I'd love to build a parlay with you boys.

Dan Rice (1:08:33)
realize is how many minutes John Collins was getting.

Pto (1:08:33)
Wait wait until Sam can get us the gambling ads and then we can guaranteed make money off of building the parlay and calling it an ad read.

Orchid (1:08:44)
I really do I really I do wanna read ads. I think I think we'd be good at

Dan Rice (1:08:47)
I want you guys to know I would fucking play guest aligns with all of you.

Orchid (1:08:53)
Hell yeah. Let's do it. Let's get slide.

Dan Rice (1:08:53)
Do it. It's such everyone, everyone that listens to Bill Simmons podcast hates it. So I think we should start it up.

⁓ no, but you're play you're downplaying this, Pat. This is the this is the Restival. This isn't just C ZW, right?

Pto (1:09:10)
Yeah, I I'm finding that out now, and now I'm less into it. ⁓ Wrestling Revolver, CZW, ⁓ Pro Wrestling Junkie, whatever that is, BST Wrestling, also don't know what that is, Wrestling Open, Beyond Wrestling, WWR Plus, which those are th those three are the same company. Bio Pro Wrestling, which is also Beyond, and WWE I D.

Dan Rice (1:09:13)
really? So you don't want to see wrestling opened beyond

Debatable.

Orchid (1:09:36)
Shit.

Dan Rice (1:09:37)
Which as far as I know, no one's still signed to, so that's one that one's impressive.

Pto (1:09:41)
And it's also not in the Hall of Fame, so I don't care about it.

Dan Rice (1:09:45)
True. He only cares about Shinya Hashimoto.

chris (1:09:47)
People spoke.

Pto (1:09:49)
It's I mean, Ricky Shane Page is the closest we have. So

Dan Rice (1:09:55)
There's a thousand Terry Fungs and one Hashimoto. Okay, I'm looking at some PJ PWJ shows and they do seem to use KJ Orso.

If that's kind of

Pto (1:10:08)
Can you imagine naming naming your company Pro Wrestling Junkie?

Dan Rice (1:10:14)
Gilbert Rodriguez can. ⁓ KJ Orso is their champion. ⁓ you know who their wiz the Izzy Marino is their women's champion. Here we go.

Orchid (1:10:24)
Ooh, Izzy Marino.

Dan Rice (1:10:26)
No, we're talking.

Orchid (1:10:27)
When we were recording when we were recording Patron Saints, Colette forgot Izzy's last name. And like I had to like I felt really weird knowing it, you know. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I I I tried to pretend like I was looking it up.

Dan Rice (1:10:36)
That's yeah, that puts you on a list.

Pto (1:10:40)
I only I only know it because she gets booked a lot for the new non beyond local indie and I'm just kinda like, All right Focus Pro, baby.

Dan Rice (1:10:49)
Foc focus pro or something different? Yeah, I'm a focus pro guy.

Pto (1:10:54)
And I'm just kinda like, All right, you know, cool, Steph DeLander versus Izzy Moreno. You can do that, I guess. It's a free country.

Dan Rice (1:11:03)
What I like about Focus Pro is that I again I don't watch the shows per se, but they book a lot of like really terrible matches of just like for no reason. They're like, hey, you gotta bring in Danny D'AMAT, put him in the main event.

Pto (1:11:19)
is ⁓ they're doing like a partnership thing with No Holds Bard now where it used to be Beyond and No Holds Bard would do double headers and now it's Focus and No Holds Bard doing the double headers around here.

Dan Rice (1:11:24)
okay.

Okay, as I was like, I don't understand why you would bring him in, but they do have Steph DeLander as ⁓ their women's champion. Yeah.

Pto (1:11:38)
Yeah, it's not all bad.

But like on the other hand, they you have a J B Anderson match every show and I'm like life is too short for that.

chris (1:11:42)
Trend of the show.

Dan Rice (1:11:46)
Every single show it appears. Yeah, that's something.

Pto (1:11:50)
It's because he'll work for ten bucks. Yeah. I'm not gonna say who this is about, but there's someone who has gone from being a scramble match guy to semi pushed, possibly legitimately pushed in GCW lately. And a friend of mine who books an indie in Pennsylvania said, like, this guy, yeah, let's give it up for the indies. This guy

went from being a twenty dollar payday to now that he's getting some push in G C W now he wants a two hundred and fifty dollar payday. And it's just like Where's that money gonna come? You you're not gonna put a few dozen extra fans in the seats just for booking you. So

I don't know, man. The the Indies

Dan Rice (1:12:39)
this kind of segues pretty perfectly into the big top. ⁓ which I wish I really never

Pto (1:12:44)
Yeah, we gotta decide which wrestler we wanna sponsor for Wrestling Open.

Dan Rice (1:12:49)
This was your idea, I believe, the what did you call it? The the indie wrestling war?

Pto (1:12:55)
⁓ yeah, no, the the Great Blood Sport War of twenty twenty six. I don't know what to call it.

Dan Rice (1:12:59)
Yeah. ⁓ but no, it made me think that some of the issues was between I guess

Pto (1:13:02)
Actually no, ⁓ who who was it? ⁓

Twitter called it a a mid off, I think.

Dan Rice (1:13:12)
So what did Josh Barnett start at all when he said he wasn't consulted about GCW bringing bloodsport back? Is that like what set it all off? Okay. So I I actually don't care as much about the Josh Barnett versus Matt Riddle portion because it somehow segues into Drew Cordero. He's like, I gotta get involved. I gotta make sure people hear from me about this. ⁓ and the

Pto (1:13:19)
Yeah, pretty much.

Orchid (1:13:29)
⁓ yeah, whiteboard.

Pto (1:13:34)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean

And his his tweet was about how poorly organized the first one was, and then called it a total money grab.

Which is just like, Yeah, that's why he promotes something to get money.

Dan Rice (1:13:55)
And then it's just led to Drew, who again had nothing to do with it, just embarrassing himself over and over and over again. ⁓ I saw this recent this I like because he actually put all of it out there. Like he was seemed like he was pretty honest about the financials of wrestling open and beyond, which was really depressing. ⁓ But he he was talking about I guess wrestling open is if you're if if they can't get a mark to sponsor you.

Everyone who's not sponsored by some fan is a given a like a same percentage of whatever the profit is, whatever the gate is, I guess.

Pto (1:14:30)
Yeah, like they'll they'll they'll take the the door of the show and they'll cut it up like twenty ways.

Dan Rice (1:14:36)
And then Brother Greatness, who I think is trying to defend Drew, is mentioned that he has worked it for less than $10 some weeks.

Pto (1:14:46)
Yep. Sounds about right.

Dan Rice (1:14:47)
Like, why are you saying why are you admitting that? He also claims they've made over $200 some weeks. I'm like, there's no way that's that's like one time that happened.

Pto (1:14:53)
This is this is also on the heels of him saying that wrestling open I think the wrestling open Rhode Island one needs to get its attendance up to like a hund yeah, to the building wants more money. So they have to get their attendance up from like a hundred to like a hundred twenty. Or some some number like that. And it's just like this is

Dan Rice (1:15:03)
but the building's gonna kick him out, right?

Pto (1:15:22)
This feels like when someone is like you know, posting on you know, just goes on Twitter and is like, you know, I'm really looking at the gun on my kitchen table, just saying.

And it's like, What are you doing, dude?

Dan Rice (1:15:39)
⁓ now I need to know like do you think is Thatcher sponsored by someone? Do you think they're like telling Timothy Thatcher like, okay, well we we made four hundred dollars and we're dividing it twenty seven ways?

Pto (1:15:43)
Well

That's good question. I don't know.

I honestly I w I part of me wonders if Timothy Thatcher is just like milking the WWE ID thing, like, Yeah, you know, I'm getting paid by WWE to be here and, you know, scout the talent to find out if Love Doug is any good.

Dan Rice (1:16:16)
⁓ and then like

Pto (1:16:17)
And you know, it just kinda makes me wonder like, did Timothy Thatcher like fall behind a filing cabinet in ⁓ TKO and it's like Milton and office space where they're just like, we forgot we were paying this guy.

Dan Rice (1:16:32)
I mean, God bless it. If you can get it, good job, you can get it. ⁓ I forgot and then like Drew, after Drew made fun of it, Brett came back and was like, Well, we drew like a thousand people. you know, and I got to run Matt Riddle versus Minor Suzuki or whatever. And then he's he's like, Beyond wrestling drew a hundred people, and then Drew was like, No, we drew four hundred people. The week of WrestleMania.

Orchid (1:16:55)
⁓ wow.

Pto (1:17:00)
This is also Brett Brett randomly threw out some shots at MLW too.

Dan Rice (1:17:00)
Yeah.

yeah, he was coming for L W talking about like it's terrible to sign a contract with MLW and it'll ruin your career.

And listen.

Pto (1:17:14)
Which is it that's when Josh Bishop like posted like free agent Josh or whatever his thing was and then the next day had to like I retract what I said because I had no idea anyone was talking.

Dan Rice (1:17:20)
Well, hopologized.

Like I he's a fucking idiot. I like him. Nice guy. Fucking idiot. ⁓ yeah, the MLW thing's so funny because it's like, it'll ruin your career. But it's like, well, I don't know. Who are the who are the GCW success stories?

Pto (1:17:29)
Yeah.

Orchid (1:17:42)
there is so many. Mac Cardona.

Dan Rice (1:17:43)
And let's hear him.

Okay. All right. And I'm not lacking I'm not and listen, I know this is an MLW podcast where, you know, basically sponsored, but I feel like MJF and Jagafa Two's gotta count for something.

Orchid (1:17:47)
There you go. There you go.

Pto (1:18:02)
I mean

Orchid (1:18:02)
Yeah. and yeah, and also Nick Wayne and Billy Starks.

Dan Rice (1:18:07)
I mean, I guess you give him Billy. I don't know if I'm gonna give him Nick Wayne.

Pto (1:18:09)
I would g I would give them Bear Bronson. I'd give Bear Bronson to G C W.

Dan Rice (1:18:12)
Yeah, yeah.

Pto (1:18:18)
But yeah, no, I mean the whole thing is just it's like a circular firing squad of the Indies right now.

Dan Rice (1:18:25)
Which AIW did speak up and I was a happy, but I always bring this up where they said AI AIW Bloodsport getting no respect in this argument. Because that's the big thing is they ran they ran a they they stole that name first. They ran that show in 2016. They made Matt Riddle lay down and do the J-O-B, the My Boy Lewis Linden, and Matt Riddle threw a giant fit.

Pto (1:18:49)
Awesome.

Dan Rice (1:18:50)
He because that was when Lewis Linden was doing a pirate gimmick and Matt Riddle was really mad he had to lose to a guy in a pirate's outfit. ⁓ Yeah. I think Riddle worked like a couple more shows like right after that something he was already booked for and then never came back to AW.

Orchid (1:18:58)
I mean, it can't really fault them for that, right?

Pto (1:19:11)
⁓ the one of my favorite things with the Riddle versus Barnett thing is Riddle was like, I invented Bloodsport and Josh Barnett's like, ⁓ no, you took the logo from a movie and the music from a movie. I'm like, Barnett, you didn't fucking change the name. Like it's still just fucking Jean Claude Van Day Kumit Jean Claude Van Damme Kumite.

Dan Rice (1:19:34)
and I mean

Pto (1:19:34)
It's it's like he's he's going out like, you know, my like red delicious apple is so different from your other red delicious apple, it's insane.

Orchid (1:19:39)
What a team. Wow.

Dan Rice (1:19:45)
And Josh will not drop this. Like he's digging in deeper.

Pto (1:19:47)
Yeah, no, I it's that's gonna be awesome. He's gonna be going after the like it's gonna be June twenty twenty seven. He's still gonna be having this argument, Dave Meltzer style.

Dan Rice (1:19:58)
⁓ not the qu not to quote my own tweet, but like Josh also literally booked every single wrestler from that first bloodspettle blood sport show that he was capable of booking. The only people he didn't book were signed by WE before he could before he ran a blood sport. I I except Masada, which I mean who's gonna fucking book Masada? Yeah. But it's it's not like you had like like like I'm gonna bring in totally different people. Like, no, you brought in the same motherfuckers that Matt brought in.

Pto (1:20:18)
Yeah, yeah. I mean, come on.

It's also it's also so awesome that Masada was booked in the first place. They're like we're doing no ropes like s knockouts and submissions only. Let's get Masada in here.

Dan Rice (1:20:31)
It's really stupid.

Orchid (1:20:31)
Yeah.

Dan Rice (1:20:42)
maybe it was as like haphazard as like Drew's saying. So maybe it was like he just snuck in there. He's like, I could work it.

Pto (1:20:49)
Do I have to take my beanie off?

Dan Rice (1:20:52)
He went over on that show. He knocked out Martin Stone.

Orchid (1:20:52)
Now?

Pto (1:20:56)
Well, that's that's a real whoever wins we lose kinda.

Dan Rice (1:21:02)
But yeah, it makes all the indies look really real good and I'm happy this has all gone down and I hope they all just tweet through it.

chris (1:21:08)
Yeah, good proof.

Pto (1:21:08)
I mean, yeah, no, they they all need to start getting like hard details about their financials, just putting it up there.

chris (1:21:17)
Ooh.

Pto (1:21:21)
Especially if ⁓ it turns into accusations of like, Well, you were supposed to pay me twenty dollars for this show and I'm still waiting.

Dan Rice (1:21:31)
⁓ AIW, I'm bringing it back to AIW, the sh the company people always talk about. ⁓ they're going on like hiatus after the Black Friday show. But they kind of do every year. Like they usually do a December show and then go on hiatus. And people were like, I and this is Thorne not tweeting through it. People were talking about how that means they're dying. And then Thorne in the Discord privately was just like, I'm just tired of like the winter shows.

Pto (1:21:36)
Please do. Please.

Dan Rice (1:22:00)
getting fucked by Cleveland weather. He's like, we don't run that many shows during that time of the year. And when we do half the time there's a blizzard and half the talent doesn't show up and fans don't d you don't make any, you know, no one decides last minute, let me drive out when there's eight, you know, inches of snow. And like that's totally reasonable, but let's just say that all Indies are dying.

Pto (1:22:03)
Yeah.

So actually I d speaking of AIW, I and ⁓ and another promotion that is going to be going away for the winter, did you see that Produce is doing Tracy Williams versus Matt Mako, which seems like spiritually a very AIW match?

Dan Rice (1:22:22)
I want to, yes.

I did not see that. I thought produce wasn't running shows anymore.

Pto (1:22:37)
They're doing two they're doing two shows this weekend and then they're on break until February.

Orchid (1:22:37)
Well that was

Yeah, and then he's coming back to speak more truth to power with wrestling matches. Yeah.

Dan Rice (1:22:47)
Someone's gotta do it. Thank you. It's gotta be him.

Pto (1:22:52)
We've also got on this same show Warhorse versus Bruss Hamilton.

Dan Rice (1:22:56)
Okay, you made that. ⁓ we got ⁓ our African American superstar Nikki SS.

Orchid (1:22:57)
Rough. Let's go.

Pto (1:23:04)
You you said her name perfectly.

Dan Rice (1:23:08)
know who that is, but I know she's not black, so I'm ahead of some people.

Pto (1:23:16)
You know, she doesn't it's not she does her makeup to look like Mad Moxie from Borderlands is what I'm figuring out.

Orchid (1:23:16)
Who are black?

One cool thing about her is that, do we all know Brian Alvarez is divorced? Do we all know that?

Dan Rice (1:23:32)
We are.

Pto (1:23:32)
I mean I think even people who didn't know it for a fact still took it as a spiritual truth.

Orchid (1:23:37)
I don't know if it's a fact, but apparently like he did like allude to it. but like it's you know, it's it's

Pto (1:23:42)
I mean people have been saying it for years, so

Dan Rice (1:23:44)
Now, let me I'm not as I I haven't been a subscriber in so long. He was married to the dolphin lady, right? Whales. Okay. Okay, I apologize. I actually think whales is way better as like a as like a job than dolphins, so I get it. when I hear people work with dolphins, I think they're fucking them.

Orchid (1:23:51)
Wales. Thank you very much.

Pto (1:23:51)
whale whales. Yeah, I mean a fucking idiot. You fucking stupid ass.

chris (1:23:55)
Yeah.

Orchid (1:23:59)
Hey fuck.

Well why's that?

Well, yeah, that's that that's probably pretty fair. And you don't you think people aren't fucking the whales?

Dan Rice (1:24:10)
I don't think you wanna fuck a whale.

Orchid (1:24:13)
Right, I'd fuck a whale.

Don't even think twice about it. They're very empathetic.

Dan Rice (1:24:19)
That's what I look for in a lover.

Orchid (1:24:22)
I'm aware. ⁓ but ⁓ the rumor ⁓ I think at ⁓ heart and Brian were in a I think a j ⁓ what the fuck is the name of that fucking shit? The the the fuck fest ⁓ at WrestleMania? What's the name of that thing? Clusterfuck. The clusterfuck. Both of them were in the clo

Dan Rice (1:24:41)
The clusterfuck?

chris (1:24:43)
The second pocket.

Dan Rice (1:24:46)
His wife his wife was in the clusterfuck?

Orchid (1:24:48)
No, no. No, Alvarez and Nikki XS were in the were in the clusterfuck together. And ⁓ and she like kinda like flirted at him in a tweet. And then he was like, I don't know, brother. ⁓ and then had her on the show like three months later.

Dan Rice (1:24:54)
⁓ okay.

Pto (1:25:04)
I'm sorry your Brian voice was so good.

Orchid (1:25:07)
Thank you. My Brian's pretty good. ⁓ but yeah, he had her on Brian and Vinny like three months later and was like talking about how sexy she was. And so that just like spawned like a whole set of rumors that he was having sex with her.

Dan Rice (1:25:17)
⁓ I mean

Pto (1:25:17)
He wants my god, he wants to be Howard Stern so much. It's like I can imagine Brian being like, How quickly can we get a Sybian in here? We can't let Granny know.

Orchid (1:25:30)
How quickly can we get a Sybian in here is my question. Who's on Promise?

Dan Rice (1:25:34)
Guys, I don't wanna be I don't I don't wanna be the weirdo that I am, but like she's very clearly divorced on her Instagram. She's got another dude with with Brian's kids. As as far back as the end of last year.

Orchid (1:25:46)
⁓ yeah. Yeah, no, it was the end of last year when it was official. Yeah, end of last year it was official.

Pto (1:25:47)
All right. Well, good for Whitney.

Dan Rice (1:25:51)
Okay. okay. Well

Pto (1:25:53)
But yeah, no, even even before I like left the obserververse for good a couple of years ago, people were just like had putting the clues together of like, yeah, Dave and Brian are both completely divorced.

Orchid (1:26:09)
Well, he has a girl brought Dave has a girlfriend. ⁓ that he talks about with a lot of frequency. He he brought her to a read in Mexico, which I can't for the life of me. Like I have so many questions about that. Like, can you imagine like being Dave Metzler's girlfriend when he's talking to like Salvatore? ⁓ like just being stuck in the fucking corner.

Pto (1:26:27)
I I imagine it's just I imagine it's like no different from just being Dave Meltzer's girlfriend in any other situation where you just just gotta hang on for that sweet observer money.

Dan Rice (1:26:27)
I'll be imagining it later tonight.

Orchid (1:26:40)
You're just like on the couch and like you like you f like you hear him go, God because someone died and then he's just rambling for fifty seven minutes about Jim Hurd's like entire life story. ⁓

What a guy.

Pto (1:26:55)
We love

Dan Rice (1:26:57)
So Alvarez single single though. I can get in there, is what you guys are saying.

Orchid (1:27:01)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could put the good word in for you.

Dan Rice (1:27:03)
I would really love that.

Orchid (1:27:05)
I did call him princess last week on the ⁓ the board.

Dan Rice (1:27:07)
Yeah, I don't know why you're gonna put a good he hates you. He hates you so much. Like it radiates off the page.

Orchid (1:27:10)
Yeah, we hate each other.

Yeah. We fucking loathe each other. I love it.

Dan Rice (1:27:19)
Yeah, you gotta go back to twenty twenty two to see Alvarez on this girl's ⁓ Instagram.

Orchid (1:27:25)
That makes sense. There were still

Dan Rice (1:27:27)
⁓ wait, twenty twenty three, here he is. Sorry, I lied, I went too far back, but still that's a while.

Orchid (1:27:36)
I'm so glad that this is what this podcast is, just discussing Brian.

Dan Rice (1:27:38)
my god, well Protus is also running Dr. Wagner Junior versus Effie. What's what are we doing?

Pto (1:27:38)
So

Orchid (1:27:43)
Yep. Yep.

Pto (1:27:44)
Yeah. But I w I was just gonna say another spiritually AIW match they're doing Isaiah Broner versus Ox Adams.

Dan Rice (1:27:52)
I don't know who Ox Adams is.

Pto (1:27:54)
⁓ he looks like Mad Dog Connolly's like you know, cousin who kinda knows what wrestling is.

Dan Rice (1:28:04)
my God. I I leave

Pto (1:28:05)
Th I'm go I'm judging entirely based on a picture of his head. I don't know what the rest of him looks, sounds, or anything is like.

Dan Rice (1:28:10)
It says he's seven feet tall. I'm kinda into that now. That match now.

Pto (1:28:18)
Well then I was correct in calling it spiritually AIW.

Dan Rice (1:28:21)
⁓ okay. You know what? If we would if I would've been watching Wrestling Open Rhode Island, I would have seen him. He's all over that.

Teaming with BRG. ⁓ my God, of course I should know who this guy is.

I think we can say that that co covers everything in the ⁓ independent wrestling war though, right?

Pto (1:28:43)
Yeah. Yeah, I can't wait to see who wins.

chris (1:28:48)
The fans.

Dan Rice (1:28:49)
They're yeah. Beautiful.

Pto (1:28:50)
No, we've been losing pretty hard for a while, brother.

They've been taking their shit out on us like a fucking drunk stepdad.

Orchid (1:29:02)
What would it take for you guys to care about blood sport again?

Dan Rice (1:29:07)
Loki or Karamalenko. Yeah.

Orchid (1:29:09)
Carl. Yeah.

Pto (1:29:10)
⁓ at least one good match per show that isn't just like I think I've complained about this before, but pro wrestlers who start doing BJJ and then they're just like, Yeah, I gotta show off my fucking yellow belt skills. It's like, no, just do even if you have to do another stupid thing like ⁓ was it the Mike Bailey and Dolph Ziggler match where they ended a shoot fight with a zigzag? Like

Orchid (1:29:38)
Good God. I do remember that.

chris (1:29:38)
That was awesome.

Pto (1:29:39)
You know, do dumb shit like that. Don't just roll with at like an intermediate level.

Also but yeah, also put on matches that I actually want to see instead of, you know, fucking like war horse comes to blood sport.

Dan Rice (1:29:59)
More natty.

Orchid (1:30:02)
More natty, yeah. Killing in the name of.

Dan Rice (1:30:03)
Yeah, yeah. She's natty and she's natty in blood sport.

chris (1:30:03)
Yeah, absolutely. More cutting.

Pto (1:30:04)
No, I think I think they should be no, I think they should be juiced to the gills, man. Put all on gear.

Dan Rice (1:30:09)
Well, you know I d you know I think that's true.

I think it should be mandatory.

Pto (1:30:14)
Who would who would be a good Josh Bishop bloodsport opponent?

Dan Rice (1:30:19)
John Thorne.

Orchid (1:30:22)
Foot.

Dan Rice (1:30:26)
Gash.

Orchid (1:30:28)
Has Hoodfoot done Botsport? I'd watch that.

Dan Rice (1:30:30)
You can't you're asking the wrong

Pto (1:30:31)
I I feel like Josh Barnett would not let him into the building.

Dan Rice (1:30:36)
For yeah, we all know why.

Orchid (1:30:37)
For a few reasons.

Dan Rice (1:30:40)
⁓ I'll I'll let you know. I thought I thought this happened, but I didn't want to make it up. Josh Buck Bishop faced Hoodfoot in at a Columbus G C W show that I didn't go to.

Orchid (1:30:50)
Man. All right.

Dan Rice (1:30:54)
my god. I really I this I fucked up, man. You had Bendito versus Jack Courtwheel. Violences Forever versus Bangin Matthews versus the rejects.

Orchid (1:31:00)
⁓

Pto (1:31:06)
When was this?

Dan Rice (1:31:07)
This was in twenty twenty four.

Pto (1:31:09)
Okay, so I definitely watched it. I don't remember it.

Dan Rice (1:31:11)
Myron Reed versus Leo Rush. Joey Janela versus Microman. Josh Bishop versus Hoodfoot and Gresham versus Cole Raderick. I bet this was mid as fuck. I should have drove two hours for this.

Pto (1:31:20)
Yeah.

Dan Rice (1:31:25)
Messed

Sorry, we're all pretty locked into this game, yes. We're gonna see if he makes these.

Orchid (1:31:35)
How we do.

chris (1:31:35)
Go velvet.

Dan Rice (1:31:37)
Ooh.

Orchid (1:31:44)
Can't wait to start gambling. Like mid podcast. This is gonna fucking rip.

This is the best. We're never watching Malcolm X.

Dan Rice (1:31:56)
Can you do a split screen of Malcolm X and ⁓ NBA game?

Orchid (1:31:59)
No, I might be able to.

Dan Rice (1:32:00)
Okay. That's really what that's really what I'm after. ⁓ that feels like game to me. All right. You guys want to answer some questions?

Orchid (1:32:04)
might be able to make that happen.

chris (1:32:09)
Let's do

Orchid (1:32:09)
More than anything.

Dan Rice (1:32:10)
All right, let's get to the wacky line. Question for the podcast. This is from Eamon. What is life advice you wish you could tell your younger self?

Orchid (1:32:19)
When that trans woman who's about to have a mental health crisis on Twitter ⁓ tweets a link to this Discord, just think long and hard about it.

Dan Rice (1:32:30)
my god, is Nadine while you're here? That fucking rules. How did I not know that?

Orchid (1:32:32)
Absolutely.

chris (1:32:37)
That is.

Orchid (1:32:37)
I I think I only pieced it together a few weeks ago.

chris (1:32:40)
I love that so much.

Dan Rice (1:32:43)
So good.

Orchid (1:32:43)
Justice for Nadine. I always love you, Nadine. I get it, girl.

Dan Rice (1:32:47)
Yeah, that was a great album.

That hit really that joke hits really hard for the three people. ⁓ and they all listen to this.

⁓ what life advice would you tell your younger self? ⁓ my god, I don't know.

Pto (1:33:09)
Have more hobbies that involve other people.

Dan Rice (1:33:14)
Did you say watch more wrestling?

Pto (1:33:17)
No, I mean I'm saying do stuff that like involves other people instead of things you can do by yourself. That would be my advice to myself as a young person.

Orchid (1:33:27)
It's never it's never too late to pick up pickleball pat.

Pto (1:33:31)
It is. I mean, if you if you saw the state I'm in, it's far too late for that. Yeah. No, I go I play with my nephew and he's like, We have to run and I'm just like, That's not happening, kid.

chris (1:33:32)
Pickleball pat.

Dan Rice (1:33:36)
It's like that ship that ship is sailed.

chris (1:33:37)
Others knees.

Dan Rice (1:33:49)
It's like I already am running. This is full speed.

Pto (1:33:52)
Yeah, I'm I'm like, no, you're getting a power walk out of me, you fucking five year old

Dan Rice (1:34:02)
Yeah, I don't know. I'm just gonna tell myself, you know, keep on keeping on. ⁓ You're doing all right. You keep on keeping on, I don't know. Yeah, you're doing you did everything perfectly.

Orchid (1:34:06)
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you're doing all right. Don't change a thing.

Dan Rice (1:34:15)
Can't think of a single thing I would take back.

Pto (1:34:16)
What what w what would you give your younger self any tattoo advice?

Dan Rice (1:34:23)
get the violent people logo bigger.

Orchid (1:34:27)
Yeah. Hell yeah.

Pto (1:34:27)
Yeah.

Dan Rice (1:34:30)
Yeah. I don't know. Stay away from that girl named Hope. That one's that one's just mean. No one gets that. ⁓ yeah, what about you, Chris? You got any advice for yourself? Keep believing in the pistons?

Orchid (1:34:41)
we get it.

chris (1:34:47)
I no, I never stopped believing.

⁓

Stay away from that Tanner guy, he's bad news, he'll ruin your life.

Dan Rice (1:35:04)
Orchid. you already gave your advice. All right. ⁓ this is Q for the dance. That's me. Did you enjoy your fucking vacation? You mean DC? I had a amazing time.

Orchid (1:35:06)
Yeah, right.

That was me being grumpy because I promised myself that I was gonna take care of the wacky line. And then I realized neither of us took care of the wacky line. ⁓ so but it was a light week for questions.

Pto (1:35:25)
That's fine. ⁓ no, trust me, that's fine.

Dan Rice (1:35:28)
I think they're all in here. I think they're all in here. ⁓ you know, I'm not I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that the the results of Tuesday didn't put a bummer on the whole city, but we still have tried to have a time. Q for the P. Which nonviolent person would you mistakenly put on the VP five hundred? ⁓ this is callback to Nikki.

Orchid (1:35:30)
They are. They are they are, yeah.

Pto (1:35:55)
Well, my my thing ⁓ is still open for anyone who leaves a five star review, let me know and you can fucking put someone on my VP one hundred ballot. so my ballot has Brian Alvarez and the ultimate warrior on it. For twenty twenty six.

Dan Rice (1:36:09)
Okay. Chris is Chris, you're gonna wanna go over this one with a real fine tooth comb when you get it.

Pto (1:36:15)
Ultimate Warriors at number eleven.

Dan Rice (1:36:18)
Yeah.

Orchid (1:36:23)
So apparently you you can't watch Sun's games on the League Pass, you have to spend another fucking hundred and ten dollars.

Dan Rice (1:36:29)
It's I think it's based on where you're at.

Orchid (1:36:32)
Really? Let's check.

Dan Rice (1:36:33)
Yeah. Maybe I'm wrong.

Pto (1:36:36)
Yeah, set your VPN to New Zealand.

Orchid (1:36:40)
They lock you out with your V PN. yeah, wait, hold on. I do got my VPN on. Hold I I might I might drop. I'll be right back.

I think I'm still here.

Dan Rice (1:36:51)
We lost orchid. I'll miss her. I miss yeah, you're still here. You're still here.

Orchid (1:36:53)
Am I still here? I'm still here. Okay, okay, okay. No, yeah, it doesn't change anything. How about that? That's fucking weird.

Interesting. I don't like that at all. That doesn't make me feel good. That doesn't make me feel good in the slightest.

Dan Rice (1:37:07)
You you desperately wanted to watch Son's games.

Orchid (1:37:12)
I I'm I'm I I love basketball and I love my friends. So I was excited about that. But well. All right. I'll keep we'll keep that in mind for next week. So yeah, gang, next week ⁓ g don' don't get excited for any sons games. Hopefully we'll see if they're playing. Okay. next week we're not gonna be podcasting anyway, yeah.

Pto (1:37:28)
Ne Yeah, next I was gonna say next week you'll be hearing me playing Grand Theft Auto Six for two hours.

Orchid (1:37:35)
Yeah, same.

Are we podcasting next week? This is a gr this is a great audio.

Pto (1:37:49)
My policy has always been just tell me where to be and I'll be there possibly up to an hour late.

Orchid (1:37:56)
Love that.

Got more questions then? wait, you did ask a question. My bad. What was your question again?

Pto (1:38:14)
Stand still here.

Orchid (1:38:14)
Is Dan here?

chris (1:38:17)
Good night. Good night, sweet prince.

Orchid (1:38:24)
Wait a minute, VP five hundred? When do we do a VP five hundred? What's that about?

Dan Rice (1:38:27)
Yeah. I I think it's a joke about that girl not being black.

Orchid (1:38:32)
Ew okay, cool. Yeah, great. That was a good one.

Dan Rice (1:38:41)
Question for the pod, if you got carted buying alcohol, would you be flattered or annoyed?

Pto (1:38:42)
What's awesome is people ask us questions that are jokes that are only relevant to like the five minute span in which they typed it. And then we get to it like a week later and we're like, What the fuck is this person talking about?

Orchid (1:38:49)
Right.

Dan Rice (1:38:54)
Or it's a joke based on if you paid attention on a certain day in a certain channel in the Discord.

Pto (1:38:58)
It's a it's a joke based on my Twitter timeline specifically.

Orchid (1:38:59)
Mm-hmm.

Dan Rice (1:39:09)
Would you guys be flattered or annoyed if you got carted buying alcohol?

Pto (1:39:15)
I would be confused. I'm forty one and I look forty one.

Dan Rice (1:39:19)
I bet Chris is carded every time.

chris (1:39:20)
yeah, definitely. it's only ever when I don't have my ID on me.

Dan Rice (1:39:30)
The last time that happened to me, I was trying to just buy DayQill and my face was just pouring and they just would not give it to me. I was like, Please, I feel so bad.

Like nothing I can do.

Orchid (1:39:44)
I get carded I get carded a lot. ⁓ more than I'd expect to at my age. ⁓ and I don't mind it ⁓ un there are a lot of old women in Texas who love flirting with me, that I mind. That that's that's not and so it's like Coogini, what kind of last name is that? Did I pronounce it right? Ooh, look at me. You know I know a few Italians and I'm just standing there, just like okay.

Dan Rice (1:39:44)
Right, as long as I know it.

yeah. No, I

The show is always so hot.

Orchid (1:40:15)
⁓

Dan Rice (1:40:17)
what happens to me a lot and annoys me and I know it's happening is that I I spent a lot of time with my sister and she's a little younger than me and looks way younger than me and she gets carded. And so they card me clearly out of like, okay, like like I might as card this guy too. But it's like, no, if I when I've been here by myself for some people, you know I'm old. I look old.

Orchid (1:40:28)
Like respect.

Maybe it's maybe they think you guys are dating and they wanna like make fun of the age gap.

Pto (1:40:42)
Or they're just they're making sure that she's just not buying booze for you.

Dan Rice (1:40:43)
that's great.

⁓ a lot of times I carry my sister's a lot of times I carry my sister's ID. And then she said that sometimes that's like a sign of someone being trafficked.

Orchid (1:40:47)
That's good point. 'Cause you are very tall.

Pto (1:40:54)
I don't trust you doing that for good reasons at all.

Dan Rice (1:40:57)
Well she she said people people might think that I'm trafficking her and that's like I'm like, man, that's awesome.

Orchid (1:41:07)
That is awesome.

Dan Rice (1:41:08)
Who are the best cat and dog theme wrestles? is that Pork? I don't want to be mean about her. ⁓ damn it.

Pto (1:41:18)
Alright, cat and dog themed wrestlers. That's such a how many are there to choose from?

chris (1:41:21)
⁓

Dan Rice (1:41:22)
He's my favorite.

chris (1:41:26)
Y C in

Pto (1:41:29)
Weissine's good, but is he the best? Hmm.

Orchid (1:41:31)
There's Road Dog Jesse James.

Dan Rice (1:41:34)
⁓ can I count all the Peros Del Malls? Anyone that's been in it? Okay. But I'm gonna I gotta go Tyra Valkyrie.

Orchid (1:41:35)
There's this big cat.

Pto (1:41:39)
He can. Yeah.

Orchid (1:41:40)
You can. You can.

chris (1:41:41)
And I'm looped.

Dan Rice (1:41:46)
Got it.

Pto (1:41:50)
Alright, I'm putting cat into cage maps. Let's see what comes up. Okay, Asian cat. Looking good.

Dan Rice (1:41:53)
The only one I can think of was like Felino. Are there others?

Ernest the Cat Miller? Yeah. yeah, all the tiger mask, I guess.

Orchid (1:41:59)
Well it was the cat with the the the cat, right? Wasn't it the cat that was a guy in W C W Yeah Ern yeah, yeah.

Pto (1:42:03)
Ernest Ernest Miller, yeah.

There's a guy named Catweasel who no shock of shocks, England.

chris (1:42:10)
Blue Panther.

Dan Rice (1:42:13)
⁓ what about like big cat Scott Henson?

Yeah. Guys just sell me VHS tapes.

Pto (1:42:22)
I'm gonna I'm gonna go with this guy named Cool Cat Jackson from Barbados.

Dan Rice (1:42:27)
That guy sounds cool as hell.

Okay.

Pto (1:42:32)
His career ended in nineteen ninety four.

Dan Rice (1:42:35)
Someone dressed their cat up as Charlotte Flair. This might be AI.

I'm an old man. This is definitely AI. I apologize.

Pto (1:42:47)
And then the cat picked up a boulder and backflipped into this glass bridge.

Orchid (1:42:47)
I vaguely remember ⁓

Have you guys have you guys watched any of those videos the a the AI videos where it's like like fruit cheating on each other? Have you watched any of those? I can't yeah, I can't get enough of those.

Pto (1:42:58)
Yeah, I've I've s I've seen like forty-five seconds of one and I'm just like this is making me stupider. Okay, so speaking the the challenge that I've encountered now was this weekend I was babysitting my nephew. He's five and he's obsessed with fucking skeletons. And he's he asked me like, Can you put a skeleton cartoon on? So I'm like, all right, let's watch ⁓ silly symphonies, let's watch, you know

Dan Rice (1:42:59)
my god. Yeah, I've watched that.

Orchid (1:43:06)
I can't get enough of them.

Pto (1:43:26)
Old Looney Tunes stuff that has lots of skeletons dancing around. But the YouTube recommendations afterwards are all just the worst looking AI slop where it's just like, here's a 20 minute video of multicolored skeletons riding a school bus. And he's immediately like, That looks awesome. Let's watch that. And I'm sitting there having to be like, I don't know if that I I don't think that link works. I don't think my computer gets that one.

Dan Rice (1:43:52)
What about have you ever you thrown them out the grim adventures of ⁓

Pto (1:43:55)
But it's like I just know I just know if I put that video on, it's like it's just gonna melt this kid's brain and my brother's gonna be mad at me.

Dan Rice (1:44:02)
What about the grim adventures of Bill and Mandy? That's good shit.

Pto (1:44:06)
That's true. I I mean he was specifically he was very picky about like it has to have a high skeleton.

Anything that wasn't like literally like skeletons doing stuff. He was just like th there's not enough skeletons for me.

Dan Rice (1:44:19)
⁓ shit. I fucking rule. I like kids. I fucking love kids. That's amazing. Not enough skeleton, I'm out.

Pto (1:44:21)
I was in a I was in a real tough spot.

We put on a so the dude who did the first Mickey Mouse cartoons, Ubi Verks, he like left Disney because Disney didn't want to pay him enough. And instead of Mickey Mouse, he had his own character, Flip the Frog. And there's a Flip the Frog cartoon that has a lot of skeletons, but it was called Spooks. And I'm like I'm hovering the mouth the the fucking cursor over this, being like, this is a cartoon.

called spooks from nineteen thirty. I I don't know. ⁓ I don't know if I should do this. It turned out okay though.

Dan Rice (1:45:09)
What was that man's name?

Pto (1:45:11)
Ub Iverks, I think is how you pronounce it. U B space I W E R K S

Dan Rice (1:45:13)
That reminds me

That reminds me of at ai.cinema two one. That's the guy behind Love Island. Fruit Island, sorry.

Pto (1:45:27)
It's it's a long tradition of animation from steamboat Willie to the fucking strawberry cheating on the banana with an apricot.

Dan Rice (1:45:29)
Yeah, it's all good stuff.

Chris, do you have any dog you said wisen. Do you say any cat d cats you like? What kind of pussy do you like?

Chris. Okay, fine, fine.

chris (1:45:45)
Not answering that question now.

Pto (1:45:47)
Is does does La Catalina count as a cat wrestler or is

Orchid (1:45:51)
Yeah, why not?

chris (1:45:52)
I will say no one has mentioned Alley Cat.

Pto (1:45:56)
Yeah, with good fucking reason.

Dan Rice (1:45:58)
I because I always think of her as Ali catch.

chris (1:45:59)
Weird. ⁓ true, 'cause she's a serious wrestler.

Dan Rice (1:46:03)
She's serious wrestler now. Do you guys remember when she left GCW to just let me check in? What did she do?

Pto (1:46:12)
work produce, I guess.

Dan Rice (1:46:14)
Work for yours okay.

Pto (1:46:16)
We're beyond wrestling for the WWE ID women's championship.

Dan Rice (1:46:23)
how pumped are you from Manson Fing back in G C Dub? Are you getting back in? Did Brett bring you back?

Pto (1:46:27)
No ca no, 'cause it's them versus Vandal forty eight and it's just like I don't wanna watch more Atticus Coger.

Dan Rice (1:46:36)
I did watch the Vandal forty eight documentary.

Pto (1:46:40)
Okay, speaking of AI melting your brain, how was it?

Dan Rice (1:46:41)
Because

It's so it's so stupid. I don't know. It's just like them and their uncle talking about how tough they all were growing up.

Pto (1:46:53)
Yeah, I I remember there was a hype vi I don't even remember what the match was, but it was some hype video for an Atticus Coger match, and he filmed it like it was a crime movie where it's like cops are breaking into the silence of the lambs house. it was for ⁓ him versus Janella. And in the promo thing, Atticus Coger blows up a building full of cops. I'm like, Well, that's cool, but also how does this promote a wrestling?

And that has stuck with me ever since. It's like that's how the Atticus Coger brain works. It's like, all right, I have to make a promo for my match. It's gonna be like Silence of the Lambs, but what if Buffalo Bill blew up all the cops?

And somehow this plays into me versus Joey Janella.

Dan Rice (1:47:41)
It's really funny though to hear like ⁓ Otis or ⁓ fucking Christian or like their family members talking about it because it's like Atticus is truly the brains of that operation. And it cracks me up. It's like Atticus is this kind of guy, man. You talk to Atticus for five minutes and he just he blows your mind the way he thinks about the universe.

Pto (1:47:53)
I believe it a hundred percent.

Orchid (1:48:03)
That's can't that that can't be good.

Pto (1:48:07)
I j I just imagine that like what they mean is like, you know, one time I even saw reading a book. Like a paper one.

Dan Rice (1:48:13)
Yeah, that is the vibe.

And this the school this wasn't for school. This just for fun.

⁓ this one I think is real.

Pto (1:48:26)
You know, he knows the plot of every single goosebumps.

Dan Rice (1:48:35)
R L Stein from Ohio, so that all checks out.

Pto (1:48:38)
Yeah, no. Honorary member of Vandal forty eight, R L Stein.

Dan Rice (1:48:44)
They gotta bring him out for one of these G C W shows. He's he's gotta be he's gotta be he's gotta be under a hundred, I swear.

Pto (1:48:46)
Like ninety nine years old.

Orchid (1:48:51)
I think he died recently, didn't he? that's Angela Lansbury. That's Angela Lansbury, my apologies.

Dan Rice (1:48:53)
No. Those are wildly different humans.

⁓ Arnoldstein's younger than I thought. He's only eighty three. Yeah, he look to be fair though, he's looked like shit for thirty years.

Orchid (1:49:05)
He looks like shit.

Pto (1:49:10)
I'm gonna be honest, he looks like he should have a job.

Orchid (1:49:16)
He does. He does. He looks like somebody Metzler has gonna gonna read a really long obituary about.

Dan Rice (1:49:16)
Yeah, you know.

Pto (1:49:22)
Yeah, yeah no, he definitely looks like someone who never misses a cauliflower alley club ⁓ fucking buffet dinner.

chris (1:49:30)
He looks like a Greg Turkington character.

Dan Rice (1:49:35)
Guys, I'm just really proud of us. I think we've made like five he looks like, and not a single one was anti-Semitic. So let's just move on. ⁓ on a scale from on a scale from one to seventeen, how would you judge your own performance on this episode on the hit podcast Violent People Radio? Who's that one from? That's a good question.

Orchid (1:49:54)
That's from Podric. Podrick. Podric. Podric Pedric.

Dan Rice (1:49:55)
That's that's a are you okay?

chris (1:50:03)
From

Orchid (1:50:04)
⁓ no, I had a little wheat.

Hold on, I have to get my curry, I'll be right back.

Dan Rice (1:50:10)
Okay. I I'm glad that sh or they should be glad glad I'm not rating her performance right now. I had to rate my own. I I'm at a seventeen, yeah. One the seventeen.

Orchid (1:50:11)
It's not current. It's ramen, I'm sorry.

chris (1:50:16)
No, we're all at seventeen. We're all at seventeen.

Pto (1:50:18)
what what what's the scale?

And which one's the best?

Dan Rice (1:50:24)
I'm assuming 17, but this is this guy's from over in Europe, so who knows? Metric system and all. Okay. Yeah. You've been you you came in late, but you've been bringing it. You came in hot and you never got less hot. You only got more hot.

Pto (1:50:28)
All right, I'm giving myself a twenty.

chris (1:50:31)
That's fair. That's very fair.

Pto (1:50:38)
I gotta make up for it somehow. And I was the reason that everyone had to sit through a full twelve minutes of Mance Warner talking about what soda is okay to drink.

Dan Rice (1:50:40)
Okay, this is one of those one

Talk about caffeine.

Pto (1:50:51)
Talking about how you can drink fifteen sodas a day. What the fuck is going on?

Dan Rice (1:50:55)
I'm ⁓ I'm I'm looking forward to twenty twenty-seven when more of the podcast is Mansur Cameos.

You know it's coming. This next question from Tim is one of those ones where it's like, I don't get what's happening. ⁓ are you mad at Tony Khan or modern distribution?

Pto (1:51:17)
⁓ I don't have hate in my heart for

Dan Rice (1:51:22)
Can anyone explain to me what that means? Okay.

Pto (1:51:24)
I don't know, man. I don't know. You know, Tim did alert me though that there is a new episode of Wrestle Voice Radio out, which is the podcast of the guy who used to get into fights with Trevor Dame about TNA. And the new episode of the podcast is two minutes long and is

Him ranting about how he knows more about wrestling than AI does.

Dan Rice (1:51:57)
Mm.

Pto (1:51:58)
I'm just like, this is what we should be doing. Our podcast should be two minutes long and it should be us getting into fights with Groc.

Dan Rice (1:52:04)
It were there people going around saying that he knew less than AI?

Pto (1:52:09)
I don't know. ⁓ this is also his first episode in like eight months.

And I don't keep up on what Jason three sixteen or whatever his name is is up to, other than Tim and I passing his podcasts back and forth like it's a Playboy we found in the woods.

Dan Rice (1:52:16)
Okay, sure.

You know there's no more Playboys in the woods. We're not even a country anymore.

Pto (1:52:33)
Well, there's no more woods. It all got turned into condos.

Orchid (1:52:33)
There's still Playboys in the woods. Aww, and data centers. Because of Dan.

Pto (1:52:38)
Yeah.

Dan Rice (1:52:39)
You say that, but I grew up, you know, where the woods were behind a bunch of condos and that's where the Playboys

Orchid (1:52:49)
I d I to answer the last question, I've never mailed anything in so much of my life, besides this episode and I I I did once eat ⁓ boiled chicken for two hours on it.

Dan Rice (1:53:00)
my God, you were just chomping on that rubbery chicken.

Orchid (1:53:03)
I was. I was. Now dr now drinking ramen right into the fucking microphone. Nah, you gotta put the volume up, you mean, right?

Dan Rice (1:53:08)
I'll fix it in post.

Who who's this question for I gotta start clicking on these first. Eman. Whenever they're serious, like whenever they're actually about wrestling, I should know it's A from Eamon. Question for the podcast. Who's your favorite opponent for your favorite wrestler?

Orchid (1:53:26)
Mm, what a good question.

Dan Rice (1:53:27)
Okay, okay. What I like, what I think we need to do, name the answer the question, but don't say who your favorite wrestler is, so we can all kinda guess.

Orchid (1:53:35)
Well, I like that. I'm not gonna get any of

chris (1:53:40)
Okay, I will say

Dan Rice (1:53:40)
I'm having a think here.

chris (1:53:45)
I will say Shinsuke Nakamura.

Orchid (1:53:49)
Tanahashi?

chris (1:53:50)
No.

Dan Rice (1:53:54)
No, Jay Uso.

chris (1:53:57)
You got it. You got it, dude.

Dan Rice (1:53:59)
First try. I know my man, as I was saying. You're saying your favorite wrestler's opponent.

Pto (1:54:00)
So we so we're d are we we're naming we're saying the opponent of the fit the best opponent for our favor all right, I guess I'm ⁓ Vince McMahon.

Dan Rice (1:54:09)
And then the others want to guess that.

Stone Cold? Yeah. ⁓

chris (1:54:15)
Steve Austin.

Pto (1:54:17)
No, it it's fucking Zach going.

chris (1:54:21)
Damn it.

Dan Rice (1:54:21)
I had I had no memory. Someone posted on Twitter. Someone posted on Twitter the clip. I had no memory of this of where like, you know, Brock had just killed Zach Gowan Gowan. So they interview his mom and ringside and he's like, I don't know why Brock would do that. And like as she's crying, they end the interview and it goes, I'm an ass man.

Orchid (1:54:22)
I thought Pat McAfee.

Mm-hmm.

Pto (1:54:38)
Ha ha

Dan Rice (1:54:42)
And I just love pro wrestling so much when things like that happen. It's like, ⁓ this this is a good sport. ⁓ Did you say yours, Orchid?

Did lose you guys again? I'll change that card. Okay, I'll do mine then. ⁓ it's probably it's probably low key.

chris (1:55:01)
She's eaten that curry.

Orchid (1:55:13)
Eddie Kingston?

Dan Rice (1:55:14)
No, I wish.

Pto (1:55:17)
You don't have to wish, you can just make Eddie Kingston your favorite wrestler.

Dan Rice (1:55:20)
I wish she was. I wish she was better.

Pto (1:55:22)
Ooh.

Dan Rice (1:55:24)
I'll actually say if I was chang if I were to change my answer, Loki might still be the answer. My one and two, the answer their favorite opponent might both be Loki. No, it's Danielson. But

chris (1:55:32)
Is it AJ Styles?

Okay, mine mine was A J Styles. I almost just said Samoa Joe for my answer instead of Nakamura, but Samoa Joe will have given it away.

Pto (1:55:37)
⁓ when did he face low key?

Dan Rice (1:55:43)
Ooh yeah. Yeah. I was over here thinking of Kata.

Orchid (1:55:45)
Mm.

Dan Rice (1:55:50)
but no, I think yeah, I think ⁓ AJ could work with Loki. I think Necro could work with Loki. So maybe Loki's my favorite, we're all finding out. All right, Orchid, we need your answer.

Orchid (1:56:00)
⁓ Shingo Takaga.

I it's not real, it's just a good joke.

Pto (1:56:08)
No, I was I'm trying to think. Like so I I don't remember Orchid being such a B B Hulk fan. ⁓ God.

Dan Rice (1:56:11)
So like a defense a defenseless monkey.

Orchid (1:56:15)
Yeah. Exactly.

Dan Rice (1:56:19)
Okay. No, what's the answer? Someone got it?

is it Will Osprey?

Orchid (1:56:26)
Yeah, that's it. Got it. Knocked it knocked it out of the woods. ⁓

Dan Rice (1:56:27)
Okay. No, you know who your favorite wrestler is for real? And I know it is because I it's the it's the wrestler you spent the most amount of time speaking of. It's Kenny Omega.

If you didn't love Kenny Omega this much, why else would you talk about him so much?

Orchid (1:56:38)
Well I look

Be because I love my wife. That was the large reason why that went so long. And I was so anxious about it. No, I mean it's Moxley. Moxley's like my favorite. So

Pto (1:56:51)
Also, ⁓ Dan, that's kind of misleading to say like why did your podcast go on so long when the other person on the podcast is Colette?

Orchid (1:57:02)
I'm so glad Clot doesn't know like how much you knock her for.

Pto (1:57:05)
It's not even a knock. I'm just like, Colette has a lot to say. Colette can carry a show.

Dan Rice (1:57:07)
It's a it's honestly a compliment. Yeah.

Orchid (1:57:15)
There was a period in the last episode where she asked me a question and then b ran answered her own question and then rambled on to the next match. And I had to just I just mid- mid episode I just go eggplant. And she's like, What the fuck are you talking about? I'm like, well, if I say eggplant, I could search to cut that because I had a lot to say. But you just moved on to the next match. I love Clut.

She's she's a bl she's a blessed. But yeah, no, she she can go. She can absolutely go. She can talk for a while.

I r I really thought the Merced the Sasha episode was only gonna be ninety minutes.

Pto (1:57:49)
What did it end up being? I haven't

Dan Rice (1:57:50)
It's good though, because like you could leave. You don't have like here you have to announce that you're leaving because we might need you. But on Patron Saints, you could just leave, get a sandwich, get some come back.

Orchid (1:57:57)
Yeah.

I I have a great ability of leaving the podcast with with a lot of frequency.

I once took a poop on air and y'all didn't even notice.

chris (1:58:10)
I've taken I've taken a lot of poops on air.

Dan Rice (1:58:10)
I edited it out.

You've taken a lot of poops on air?

chris (1:58:16)
Yeah. I disappear for like twenty minutes at a time.

Pto (1:58:18)
Don't let our fucking don't let the people who listen to this know that because that's all they're gonna talk about now.

The fucking stupid, stupid people who've subject themselves to this show.

Dan Rice (1:58:36)
We love you guys. With with with with three exceptions.

Pto (1:58:38)
Why do you do this to yourselves?

Orchid (1:58:38)
More than anything.

No, I love you all. I l and I lo if if if we if I think there are two of you, I love you even more.

Dan Rice (1:58:44)
I have

You okay? What is happening?

Orchid (1:58:55)
Well, I have my noodles in one bowl 'cause I reheated my ramen. And then in the other bowl I have the the you know, the soup, but ⁓ it's you know my hands hurt 'cause it's the the bowls are hot. So I keep burning it. I'm trying to di I'm trying to dip the toppings in, but I can't. Shut up, Chris.

Dan Rice (1:59:10)
r okay.

Over here, trying my best.

All right, next question. This one's from ⁓ Skating with Strategy, Sam Damasio. He ⁓ I think he doxed himself a completely last week. So address is out there if you want it.

Orchid (1:59:25)
That guy. Love that guy.

Dan Rice (1:59:36)
He never commented. I did a nice little real estate description as the description of the episode, and he never even took the bait. He never got mad. ⁓ but his question is, favorite funkin' fall piece, which I can tell you he might be asking because he hasn't read any of them, except I'm hoping he read 1980, which he wrote.

Orchid (1:59:43)
I loved it. I loved it. I thought it was beautiful.

Pto (2:00:00)
Well his name's on it. We let's run that through zero GPT really quick.

Dan Rice (2:00:00)
So

Do do ⁓ do any of you guys have favorites?

Orchid (2:00:09)
Right. I do is

Pto (2:00:09)
I really go for it.

Orchid (2:00:13)
I like Christmas Peace a lot. I really had a blast with it.

Pto (2:00:15)
I was gonna say Chris as well. I really did enjoy that, ⁓ especially for breaking the mold of what people often write about when tasked with writing about professional wrestling.

Dan Rice (2:00:27)
Yeah, I liked it a lot and then I mean I knew I was gonna like it. Like when you said you were gonna write that, I like waiting for nineteen eighty four to come along.

Orchid (2:00:32)
Me too. And it it exceeded my expectations too. Like I I like I did not expect to learn as much as I did. Like, for example, I didn't realize like I didn't I d I mean I didn't know anything about the musicians who played it, who, you know, played I just got fucking ramen all over me.

Dan Rice (2:00:48)
It's crazy that you you're choosing the talk right now.

Orchid (2:00:53)
But the brand new pants.

Dan Rice (2:00:56)
Like you could have taken a break from the talking or the ramen, but you're like, No, I need to do both right now.

Orchid (2:01:01)
But no, I I like I liked really learning about ⁓ the the saxophone player who also played on ⁓ the Mario soundtrack. That was fucking awesome.

chris (2:01:09)
Yeah, the Mario Jazz soundtrack?

Orchid (2:01:12)
Yeah, I'm always I'm I'm it's I I'm always I always remain shocked by like like Chris's depth of knowledge about pop culture things. It's like I d just when I think I know where it ends for I'm learning about Mario saxophones.

Dan Rice (2:01:33)
may be the only human alive who's read them all. And ⁓ so it's like picking my favorite kid. I mean obviously my favorites are seventy three, seventy eight and and ⁓ eighty five. But but ⁓ thank you. I like ⁓ I don't know it's my favorite I like that Tony Richards is just like I'm gonna write about every single fucking second of nineteen seventy six. I think that's real cute.

Orchid (2:01:42)
Yeah, of course.

chris (2:01:44)
I liked the poem.

Orchid (2:01:47)
I love the poem.

God damn he wrote a what was that like seventy eight hundred words or some shit?

Dan Rice (2:01:59)
So yeah, it was it was close to eight thousand words on one year of Terry Funk's life, which I think is fucking cool. ⁓

Orchid (2:02:02)
Yeah.

I got halfway into that and was like, This poop isn't gonna be long enough, brother. I gotta move on.

Dan Rice (2:02:10)
I mean my thing was I'm like, man, I really read a lot. And then it's like March and April, like, shit. We're not halfway through the year yet. I like the nineteen eighty because we to see Sam write. Anytime we get that, he's doing the work. ⁓

Orchid (2:02:15)
Right.

I like the pieces that were obviously ⁓ at least half written by AI. Really appreciate that.

Dan Rice (2:02:30)
Yeah. Yeah, those are good.

⁓ yeah. So

Pto (2:02:35)
Dan, did you know that AIW is doing Tommy Dreamer versus Matthew Justice versus Chuck Stone?

Orchid (2:02:41)
On my way. Let's go.

Dan Rice (2:02:44)
⁓ I did know that. I can't think of what else that was on that show, but I think it's like a I think it's something funny. What the fuck was the other map?

Pto (2:02:51)
⁓ special enforcer Ken Shamrock for Wes Barkley versus Sam Holloway.

Orchid (2:02:56)
Ooooo.

Dan Rice (2:02:56)
No, I I actually I non ironically liked that match.

Pto (2:03:02)
Okay, I'm I'm just going off of what Cage Match has, so they might have announced stuff that isn't on this.

Dan Rice (2:03:06)
well, they did- I know they have Shambashi, Myron Reed, ⁓ but that's not fun. it's because I forgot the tag champs are Swaggle and the Duke.

Pto (2:03:16)
⁓ okay.

Orchid (2:03:17)
Wow.

Dan Rice (2:03:19)
And so when they announced them for the show, I was like, ⁓ shit. Sometimes I feel bad that I don't watch the shows anymore. And then they do shit like that. And I go, yeah, okay. All right. This is fine.

chris (2:03:28)
We're talking squawgable.

Pto (2:03:29)
I don't know man. Matthew Justice and Tommy Dreamer, that's an inspired combination of ⁓ two people trying to work together.

Dan Rice (2:03:34)
They actually they might have had a singles match in AIW.

I just I

Pto (2:03:42)
How the thing is they have to find a way, like in one match, you have to find a way for Matthew Justice to do a front flip off of something. And at the same time, you have to get Tommy Dreamer hit in the nuts.

Dan Rice (2:03:50)
He loves the jump shop stuff.

Yep, they did have a ⁓ they teamed together and then no, no, wait, okay. So they had a match, then guys ran in and they teamed together. Okay. That was last year on the Black Friday show.

Orchid (2:03:58)
I gotta go to her right.

You'll know about the wrestling show I gotta go to next week? I gotta I'm I'm going to like my first life show in like three years.

Dan Rice (2:04:16)
The one of the pinball?

Orchid (2:04:18)
At the pinball. Yeah. Okay. I guess I don't have to talk about that. Great. I'm just excited. Gonna see Mio Mono Momono. Can't wait. Who's she wrestling? Some random person.

Dan Rice (2:04:19)
No, I know you can talk about it.

Pretty exciting. ⁓ what what company is that again?

Orchid (2:04:33)
Waterloo Wrestling Company. They run that pinballs every week.

Dan Rice (2:04:38)
That's crazy.

Orchid (2:04:39)
Yeah.

Dan Rice (2:04:42)
that's also crazy because it's like, they must have just started did they just start doing that or

Orchid (2:04:47)
for about like six months.

Dan Rice (2:04:48)
⁓ I guess they probably were doing it when I was and I didn't know. I would have went.

Orchid (2:04:52)
I I didn't. I was looking for sh I was looking for shows for us to go to and and ⁓

Dan Rice (2:04:55)
I was like, I actively when I'm in town, I actively look for shows. So it's like they're not doing great at this promoting thing.

Orchid (2:05:00)
I'll tell you this though, I'm not I really don't wanna go to a fucking cause you're here in July. I don't wanna go inside a fucking pinballs to for a wrestling show in July. That sounds like a fucking nightmare if it'd have to be outdoors.

Dan Rice (2:05:07)
Yeah. Well, I think I've talked about not that visit, but the time before that's when I w was gonna go see that No Ring show, but it was like it was like at a punk club, but like at like three PM. I was like, I don't I don't wanna do that.

Orchid (2:05:14)
Yeah.

Who would?

Dan Rice (2:05:25)
⁓ talking about diving off stuff at AIW. ⁓ my favorite like balcony dive that almost happened was ⁓ Matt Matt Cross was too loudly talking about where he was gonna jump off the balcony. And I like in real time I'm I'm in there early. So I watch him point at it and he's talking real loudly, which one really stupid because like the fans are in the we're in most there's fans inside. Like pretend this is fucking real for a second.

But then the woman like that like runs the place, I see her stop, stare at them, look at the balcony, look at them, and she runs. And then later they came back and like they didn't, there was no dive. And it's like because she tattled and was like, the people were like, You absolutely cannot fucking jump off the balcony, you idiots.

Pto (2:06:06)
Mm.

Man, I hope she was banned for life.

Dan Rice (2:06:16)
Well, I think they never went back to that ⁓ place because they couldn't fill it ever again, but

Pto (2:06:21)
Ten years ago, or maybe it was in twenty fifteen, I went to a Beyond show where they accidentally fucked up the like the mixing board for the venue so they had no PA halfway through the show.

Dan Rice (2:06:35)
⁓ I I've told this on the bottom sure. I went to a show in the parking lot of a Piggly Wiggly where ⁓ Tracy Smothers was on it. That was the draw for me. And the P the guy doing the announcing was like hooking up. He was doing something. Like he was hooking his his fucking board up to something in the entire fucking ⁓ strip mall, which isn't much, it's fucking piggly wiggly, a check caching place and like a Chinese food restaurant.

⁓ lose power for a second. He goes fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck and he's able to turn it back on. And I was like, this guy shouldn't have that much power. Like whatever he's doing, he shouldn't be able to just turn the switch at the road.

Pto (2:07:11)
Maybe s maybe ⁓ no, no, I th I think you should. I think it's a good lesson in responsibility.

Dan Rice (2:07:19)
⁓

Pto (2:07:21)
But yeah, no, talking about how little money Beyond makes just made me think of that thing where it's like, man, the cost if they had to like if the mixing board needed to be replaced, that would cost like the budget of half of Beyond's shows for the year.

So I always wonder what happened with that. ⁓ Drew Cordero, if you're listening, let us know.

Dan Rice (2:07:49)
He'll he'll post battle on sub stack sub stack.

this next question for the pod, hey, followed up with Q for the P, not a question, more of a comment.

Pto (2:08:04)
All right, cool.

Dan Rice (2:08:05)
⁓ this one I don't know if we have time to get into it, but I'm sure we're all pretty upset about this. ⁓ Tanner, I guess, would like to apologize for the comments I have made in the past. There is no way I could eat thirty hot dogs in ten minutes now. I just ate some macaroni and cheese, a modest amount, and I'm on the verge of puking. I hope you can all forgive me.

Orchid (2:08:22)
Great point.

chris (2:08:25)
Okay, but how many diet cokes can you drink?

Dan Rice (2:08:29)
Good question. Not loud enough.

Pto (2:08:29)
Yeah, that's a if if you could if you could

Orchid (2:08:32)
goes.

Pto (2:08:34)
Alright, if Tanner can pound fifteen Diet Cokes in any amount of time, I mean well, a reasonable amount of time. Can't like fifteen Diet Cokes over the course of a year. All is forgive.

Dan Rice (2:08:49)
I think that Tanner's trying to slip one by everyone here. Let me read this part, this sentence again. There is no way I could eat 30 hot dogs in 10 minutes now. This motherfucker is still trying to claim there was a point where he could.

Orchid (2:08:58)
Now

volume.

Dan Rice (2:09:07)
my god, organ. I don't. Okay. Thank you. That's all I need.

Orchid (2:09:10)
believe him. I never believed them.

I am glad you guys like the new logo though. I'll I'll finish it up tomorrow, I promise.

Dan Rice (2:09:18)
⁓ I can't wait to unveil that.

chris (2:09:22)
So good.

Dan Rice (2:09:23)
It's so good. I don't know where I want it.

Orchid (2:09:26)
I know where you want it.

Dan Rice (2:09:28)
⁓ this is another good question, but this is Amen. So we click on it. Dogomoy. Question for the pod. Which wrestler do you think your opinion diverges from your co host on the most?

chris (2:09:28)
No ho

Orchid (2:09:46)
Well we know Chris's answer, right?

chris (2:09:49)
Osprey.

Orchid (2:09:50)
Yeah. Every time I show up to this podcast I I convince myself this is the episode where Chris tells us why he loves Will Osprin. Never happens. The hair.

Dan Rice (2:09:51)
yeah.

Pto (2:09:59)
Is the hair?

Dan Rice (2:10:00)
Waiting he's waiting until after the full gear Kyle Fletcher match.

chris (2:10:06)
Because of how good of a person he is.

Orchid (2:10:11)
I think for it's probably like Da Moose.

Dan Rice (2:10:14)
You don't like Damers?

Orchid (2:10:15)
not as much as you guys do.

Dan Rice (2:10:21)
think of who you guys talk about that you guys like or hate that I disagree with. I don't know. I guess I'm just a sheep. ⁓

Pto (2:10:31)
I'm I feel pretty disconnected from most wrestling right now, but especially the stuff coming out of Japan is it's not even necessarily that it's coming out of Japan, it's just that I feel nothing for it right now. There's no one on that side of the aisle that has me being like, I gotta check out their matches. So when we start talking about ⁓ you know, Noah versus Monday Magic or whatever, I'm just like, I I'm not gonna watch this. Sorry guys.

Orchid (2:10:47)
Yeah, makes sense.

Dan Rice (2:11:07)
All right. I just agree with everything that anyone's ever been on the podcast says.

Orchid (2:11:12)
That's true. You do do that.

Dan Rice (2:11:13)
I back them all. If you've been on this podcast and you've said something, I back you.

Orchid (2:11:18)
Until you get off, then he no longer backs you. Or you'd leave the Discord.

Dan Rice (2:11:24)
People leave the Discord.

Orchid (2:11:26)
Yeah, you didn't like when that that one woman did it. Promoted book.

Dan Rice (2:11:29)
yeah, now I hate Kevin Steen and fucking Sami Zayn. I got no time for either of those assholes. I need to write a book about how you wanted to kiss.

Orchid (2:11:32)
No. No, who

Dan Rice (2:11:38)
Fucking pissing me off. You got me all worked up. It's it's almost like she only wanted to get interviewed and not to hang out with us forever.

Orchid (2:11:41)
Good. Good. I like it.

Which you do take very personally.

Dan Rice (2:11:50)
And I gotta be honest, about five minutes then seemed like she didn't even really wanna get interviewed. Seemed like she realized her mistake.

Orchid (2:11:54)
Ha.

Dan Rice (2:11:58)
⁓ shit. Okay. ⁓

Pto (2:11:59)
Well, I d I do think you d your opinion that differs from a lot of people I think can be found if you look at Dan's burner Twitter account, Ian Rotten Innocent. It really says a lot.

Orchid (2:12:12)
Mm-hmm.

Dan Rice (2:12:12)
Okay. No, I I did fucking I after this

Pto (2:12:15)
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I I misspoke I misspoke. It's at Ian Rodden Innocent.

Dan Rice (2:12:21)
I think all this fucking I think the fucking tribute show for Mark Wolf, I think it's probably great. Haven't watched it. I'm excited, especially for that main event. I think it's great that fucking Prophet of Ash and Jim Fannon are putting up old AIW shows, not AW shows, IWA missed out shows. ⁓ I think there's been far too much being like, just forget about Ian. Outside of Ian, it was such a beautiful, magical place. It's like outside Ian, people were fucking stealing drugs from each other, punching each other in the face. Like, what are we talking about?

Pto (2:12:49)
That's what they mean.

Dan Rice (2:12:51)
It was but like that's why I love that fucking company. I don't want to like them talk about how they are all buddies.

Pto (2:12:54)
No, no, that's what they that's what they're saying. It was a beautiful, magical place where we were fucking stealing drugs from each other and punching each other in the face.

Dan Rice (2:13:01)
Listen, if that's that's good, then I'm I'll have it. I'll have it. But it seemed like there was too much of like it was actually all great and rosy.

Pto (2:13:11)
Do you wonder if like there's like anyone who has that kind of WWE post firing mentality where they're like, Ian loved me, but his wife, she hated me.

Dan Rice (2:13:25)
⁓ well I think f I might have been punk or hero. One of them defended him for a while. Like, well, he mostly paid me back, something like that. Like that's cool. He only owes me a little bit of money.

what this one is what's your biggest top? This one's from Simon. I have ⁓ I have a couple two XLs.

Pto (2:13:50)
Yeah, I can't go big I I like two XL for like hoodies and stuff like that. Like but past that, no, I'm just swimming in it.

Orchid (2:14:04)
I don't think he wants me to say his name.

Dan Rice (2:14:07)
There we go.

Joshua Bishop.

Orchid (2:14:11)
So

Dan Rice (2:14:13)
Chris, your biggest top

chris (2:14:16)
I'd probably have some bay blades somewhere.

Dan Rice (2:14:22)
You guys ever get in the Pongs?

Orchid (2:14:25)
Pogs?

Dan Rice (2:14:26)
Yeah, what did I call? I threw an N in there for some reason. I'm sleepy, guys. No, I'm talking about Pongs. It was different than what you guys did.

Orchid (2:14:27)
BOUNDS

Dan Rice (2:14:36)
In Cleveland we had pongs. Everyone else had pogs. ⁓

Orchid (2:14:37)
It's crazy.

chris (2:14:41)
It's like how they call call it duck duck gray duck in Minnesota.

Dan Rice (2:14:46)
Is that for real?

chris (2:14:47)
That's real. That's one hundred percent real. You can look that up.

Dan Rice (2:14:49)
I hate that.

Pto (2:14:52)
I just remember like when the trading card companies tried to get into pogs so but they couldn't call them pogs. They had to come up with so it's like Skybox trading cards were like, check out NBA Skycaps and they're just POGs.

Orchid (2:15:00)
Mm-hmm.

Pto (2:15:11)
Man, the those that industry deserved to collapse. And now I see it coming back with people getting obsessed with finding like, you know, PSA ten Grail cards and stuff like that. And I'm like, You people learn nothing from the nineties and you deserve whatever financial ruin is heading your way.

Orchid (2:15:29)
You mean cards specifically?

Pto (2:15:31)
Cards, yeah, that level of collectibles. I'm surprised people didn't ha aren't trying to, you know, pull fucking grifts of PSA Pog ratings.

Dan Rice (2:15:41)
All right, so next week I was gonna rip a puck couple packs live on the air.

That kind of ruins that, but

Pto (2:15:48)
Do it. Do it. No, what what what series?

Dan Rice (2:15:52)
I don't actually know about that stuff. I think it's all stupid. ⁓ I would pay a lot of money f to get any of my Pokemon pogs back or my Lion King pogs.

Pto (2:15:57)
All right, what what would

Dan Rice (2:16:07)
So

We got final question here. It's a really good one. ⁓

It is from Isabel. I'm eating fish cakes and Penang curry right now. What's everyone's favorite Thai food?

Pto (2:16:31)
I'm drawing a blank off the top of my head. I cannot remember the last time I went to get Thai food.

Dan Rice (2:16:31)
You guys can

Orchid (2:16:34)
Can't eat Thai food,

I'm allergic to lemongrass, so I really can't fuck with Thai. So I'm gonna go with like sticky rice.

Dan Rice (2:16:47)
I like some some mango and sticky rice. ⁓ actually I don't have a good answer either. Like I usually order like pad thai, so I think it's like the most like basic answer you can.

Pto (2:16:54)
Yeah, I mean it's like I can't I can't remember other than bad thai, I can't remember qu like what the last thing I got. I'm not a big shrimp person, so that I think that rules out like seventy five percent of Thai food.

chris (2:16:55)
Yeah, I'm

Dan Rice (2:17:07)
Well, I it's funny, I was gonna say I also don't know the names of anything. Like it was it's funny you said shrimp, but I was like, I had something that was like shrimp and eggs that was really good. But I don't know what that was called.

Orchid (2:17:18)
No, I I do have an answer.

Don't give it

Dan Rice (2:17:25)
okay. Well we were giving you a minute. All right. Chris, do you like Thai food?

chris (2:17:28)
Yeah, ⁓ but I usually just get like a curry.

Dan Rice (2:17:36)
Orchid, are we still giving you time?

Orchid (2:17:39)
No, I'm not gonna get to it.

I shouldn't eat high anyway. I'll I'll die.

Dan Rice (2:17:46)
I don't want you to die either. All right. See you guys next week.

Pto (2:17:48)
Peace.