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The HeadRush Podcast with Paul Frase and Corey Berry takes you inside the reality of Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) through the lens of football and rodeo. With firsthand experience in two of the most punishing sports, Paul and Corey share their stories, the lasting effects of head trauma, and the fight for awareness and support.
This is the HeadRush Podcast with Paul Frase and Corey Berry.
Paul Frase:Welcome to the HeadRush Podcast. My name is Paul Frase, and I played the eleven years in the NFL. And our cohost, Berry, rode professionally in the rodeo circuit for nine years. And he rode one of the probably one of the toughest events in rodeo, the bear he was a bareback bronc. He was a bronc rider.
Paul Frase:And our friend, Nicholas Leduc, he had a he he rides broncs, he he has a saddle, doesn't he?
Corey Berry:Right. He it's called saddle bronc riding.
Paul Frase:That's saddle bronc riding. Is that easier?
Corey Berry:It's it's an etiquette, but I would say it's easier to ride with a saddle because, heck, when I roped and I rode horses with my saddle on, I stayed on real easy. So
Paul Frase:Alright. I don't I still don't understand how you did it, Corey, and any of you guys do do the rodeo. But so at the head Well,
Corey Berry:I don't understand how you hit a three hundred pound man sixteen weeks a year plus five weeks during pre five days a week during practice.
Paul Frase:Don't knock it, Corey.
Corey Berry:Are you gonna turn it the right way?
Paul Frase:Yeah. No? Oh, no. Are you serious? Stop cte.org.
Paul Frase:Don't knock it. Our friends at the Patrick Risha CTE Awareness Foundation. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why I would knock my head against a three hundred pound man over and over and over again, but I did.
Paul Frase:So
Corey Berry:You know, the funny thing is is you did it for $55,000
Paul Frase:Yeah. Yeah. My first year. My first year salary was $55,000. I was I was a six round draft pick when they had 12 rounds.
Paul Frase:So that that was just before just before the well, I had a an eleven year career, and I was they never I never received another call after my eleventh year, and the salary started slowly, going up and up and up, when I got out of the league. So but I'm not complaining. Not at all.
Corey Berry:So, when did you sign your first and we know that you never made a million dollars a season. When did you sign your first million dollar contract?
Paul Frase:I signed a three year deal in my sixth year in the NFL, which would have been 1994. So I had one year of a $1,450,000 contract over three years. I had one year of that and then I got drafted in the expansion draft to the Jacksonville Jaguars and we got made it all the way to the final cut hours before the final cut and I was pulled in by by the then acting general manager Mike Hug. And Michael said, hey, Paul. We've got a rookie here.
Paul Frase:He's raw. He's got talent, but he's not as good as you, but we're not only gonna pay him $80,000 a year. So, if you don't take a pay cut, we're we're gonna keep him. And so my the second year of my huge contract, I got torn up. Boom.
Paul Frase:In a matter of seconds because, you know, it I played eleven years and eight out of the 11 training camps, I was it was pins and needles and it was touch and go and I had to fight and earn a position on the team, one being one of the 240 defensive linemen in the world that got to play that year. So
Corey Berry:So I got a question.
Paul Frase:Yeah.
Corey Berry:Nowadays, me and you talked about it. Nowadays say, I'm just gonna throw out there a name brand. Patrick Mahomes.
Paul Frase:Yeah.
Corey Berry:Multi $100,000,000 contract. If he gets traded to the Jets, they have to honor that contract, or can they say, no. You need to take a pay cut or be cut. And if they do take a pay cut, does the chief still owe that money?
Paul Frase:Okay. There's there's a ton of different variables, but let's just keep it really simple. Let's say Patrick Mahomes was so supposed to make $50,000,000 this year, and Kansas City decided, no, done. We can't pay that. Oh, wait.
Paul Frase:We won't pay that for you, Patrick. If he's still under contract for that $50,000,000 usually it's structured that if Kansas City lets him go, somebody else has to pick him up and if they pick him up within a certain amount of time off of waivers, they have to pay him that $50,000,000 salary. If Patrick Mahomes goes home and nobody picks him up until the fifth week of the year, then that new team can actually reevaluate the structure of his contract and actually do a whole new contract with him. So maybe Patrick is only worth 30,000,000 a year. Who's worth 30,000,000 a year?
Paul Frase:It's a game. No. It's what the market allows. So anyway
Corey Berry:Okay, back to the podcast.
Paul Frase:Yeah, amen. Thank you. Okay, at the HeadRush Podcast, we talk about everything related to brain trauma and brain health and wellness. We talk about traumatic brain injury, TBI. We talk about chronic traumatic encephalopathy, CTE.
Paul Frase:TES, traumatic encephalopathy syndrome, which is the closest that you can be diagnosed to CTE while you are still alive. And Corey will probably share a little bit about his diagnosis of TES. So we also talked about repeated head impacts in a big way because repeated head impacts actually cause, are the causation of CTE. We talk about repeated blast exposures for our veterans, our men and women veterans. We talk about the important facts that all of these head traumas can and will cause health issues, mental health issues like depression, addiction, lack of executive function, memory loss, even suicide ideation.
Paul Frase:So these symptoms can be found on the Mayo Clinic and the Boston University Clinic websites. Our mantra is how to cope and find hope. Corey, what are we going to talk about today?
Corey Berry:Well, before we get to talking about it, I want to bring it up since you forgot to mention it, but I'll blame that on CTE. We are the official podcast for the HeadRush Foundation. Yes. So I wanna talk a little bit about the HeadRush Foundation. First, since I just had to bring that up, that we're the the official podcast for the HeadRush Foundation.
Corey Berry:Did I say that right?
Paul Frase:Yes. Absolutely.
Corey Berry:And so what's the HeadRush Foundation's mission, Paul?
Paul Frase:So, I will read the mission, the mission statement. The HeadRush Foundation is dedicated to improving the lives of individuals affected by neurological and brain related conditions by providing financial assistance for treatment access, delivering education and emotional support, and advancing awareness and research efforts that expand access to effective care. And I'm going to try to remember that. Corey, what are the odds that I can remember that someday?
Corey Berry:Never. I got money on the knot.
Paul Frase:Well, you taught, you know, foundation it's near and dear to both of our hearts. Corey, you've been just a a driving force. We actually got our IRS designation letter a few weeks ago and Are we approved? We are approved to actually take donations and give the donor five zero one(three) donation receipt so they can actually write off or they can use that receipt for their tax implications. But we are an actual registered IRS approved letter of termination is a yes, we are a five zero one(three) foundation.
Corey Berry:In the meantime, how can people get a hold of us to donate money to the foundation? I know we started the website landing page is at headrushfoundation.org or they could also go to the headrushpodcast.com or they can contact me or you private message me message us and we can give them the banking information needed to make a donation.
Paul Frase:And that is going to allow us to start bringing hope, awareness, and help too. Open awareness has been our mantra for the last fourteen months. And I have been doing this for fourteen or fifteen months and we've been happy to do it. Now we've always wanted to be able to help people that suffer from the effects of repeated head impacts and possible TES, probable possible CTE.
Corey Berry:We're all about Beat and repeated blast exposure.
Paul Frase:Yes. Yeah.
Corey Berry:So let's make sure a big part of us is going to be for our first responders, our veterans, and our non professional athletes that ain't millionaires but played through college and are feeling their things were going to help out. And we will help out a professional athlete if they're down and out and they need help, we can help them. Correct?
Paul Frase:Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. There's going to be an application process and it'll be a type of grant that you apply for if you're an athlete or a veteran or a first responder, police, firemen, so on and so forth, paramedics. So that's our goal to grow substantially and be able to get help to all of these people. We're going to be talking about, And today we're going be talking about some of the ways that we want to get help to these people.
Corey Berry:Millions live with depression, anxiety, fatigue, or emotional chaos believing it's permanent. It's not. The Millennium Protocol targets hidden inflammation and hormone disruption caused by trauma, stress, and time. Created by Doctor. Mark Gordon, featured multiple times on Joe Rogan and the HeadRush Podcast, plus the documentary movie Quiet Explosions, this approach has transformed lives once written off as hopeless.
Corey Berry:Visit tbihealthnow.org and take the 10 question brain health assessment. Healing is possible. Your story isn't over. Let's begin again with your brain. So we will actually help people with getting some of these modalities, doctor visits, and everything.
Corey Berry:Our main goal at HeadRush is eventually we want to do a Texas version brain rehabilitation facility. And that's bringing in y'all to come to the ranch, get a little equine therapy, but also get a chance to do all of these modalities there plus vestibular therapy, physical therapy,
Paul Frase:TMS hopefully and neurofeedback and all all sorts of things.
Corey Berry:Right. And I think this is the be the first national long term facility in the nation for repeated head impacts and repeated blast exposure. Long term nonprofit facility with these types of modalities as well as neurologists and everything else. So we're mixing everything into one. That's right.
Corey Berry:One, you can see your neurologist get maybe get hyperbaric. See your neurologist, maybe get TMS. See well, you can do that anywhere. But some of the red light therapy, maybe get the Brain Well program through Mizell involved, you know, and get blood work done for your hormones. There's a lot of options out there, but we are wanting to build a neuro rehab facility, Texas version.
Paul Frase:Yeah. It's gonna be big. Right, Corey? Everything's big in Texas. Is that is that the fact?
Paul Frase:Or I
Corey Berry:saw that spider the other day this big. Everything's big in Texas.
Paul Frase:No. Thank you. Thank you. So interestingly, obviously, we know this is going to take a lot of support from friends, from families, from corporate sponsorship, and for everybody who sees the vision and knows somebody who suffers from repeated head impacts. We know some people are going to push that donate button and give $15, $50, $100, but our goal is to go ahead and get this center set up so we can get consistent help to the people that need it.
Corey Berry:So let's talk about some of these treatments. And some of these treatments we're going to talk about, are we going to endorse some? Possibly. But right now, I want to talk and make it very clear. We are not giving medical advice.
Corey Berry:We are not doctors. Please go see your physician if you have any questions about any of these therapies that we are about to share with you. We are not doctors. We are two brain injured people that deal with repetitive head impacts. So, we deal on that.
Corey Berry:We're not doctors. We're not smart enough to be doctors. And I couldn't remember how to even become a doctor.
Paul Frase:Yeah. And remember, it's going be an application process. Obviously, we know that through the years, there's going to be some emergency situations that might need assistance like immediately, like yesterday, like tonight, but the HeadRush Foundation has dedicated and we're getting application processes similar to a grant process for people that need financial assistance for some of these things. Pretty cool that we are going to talk about two of the things we're going to talk about tonight. Corey, you have actually experienced through your therapist and through insurance Because a couple of these modalities are FDA approved for specific situations, for specific maladies, but they are reimbursed.
Paul Frase:Corey, TMS would be the first one I think we want to talk about. Do you want to introduce it?
Corey Berry:What's it stand for? Transactional?
Paul Frase:Transcranial Magnetic stimulation, TMS, and the FDA has cleared it. It is on the reimbursement schedule for insurance and Corey actually was qualified to do TMS, but basically what it does, and this is a very basic breakdown of what it does. Then we're gonna hear from Corey's mouth personally, how he felt and also what some people that are very close to Corey felt about that treatment. But okay, so TMS stimulates underactive brain nerve cells, primarily treatment resistant depression and OCD. So basically that is what the FDA has cleared TMS for and basically it simply put it helps to rewire neural connections similar to dendritic, the dendrites and helping the dendrites grow and recreate new connections in the brain.
Paul Frase:Corey, talk to us about TMS.
Corey Berry:It's weird. Well,
Paul Frase:do they do it? How does it get applied to you?
Corey Berry:It's first, you gotta go see a doctor and then they do a little test and they wait for your finger to twitch or something while they're setting it up and it's a big cone that fits over your head with a sock underneath.
Paul Frase:Kinda like the cone that's from Saturday Night Live or no? But that's this is that's real.
Corey Berry:Yeah but this has got a big hose connected to it. Okay. It and then it sounds like an MRI machine. And it's about twenty minutes, and I did 32 visits and 32 sessions. If I get a chance where there's a facility closure, I'm thinking about going and doing another 32.
Corey Berry:What did I notice? I can't tell you because my short term memory is, like, nonexistent.
Paul Frase:Mhmm.
Corey Berry:And so it was funny because everyone goes, well, how does it make you feel? I don't know. I don't remember.
Paul Frase:So what we have learned, Corey, you might recall Mark Ripian on Quiet Explosions actually did TMS and they showed him doing a session of it and the doctor that was approved, I believe he was approved by the, he might have been approved by the NFL, but anyway, he was one of the leading doctors in TMS and he explained it I love the simple explanation he gave. It's basically for that, did he like the repeated triggers, whatever that repeated repetitive trigger was, it actually stimulates the neurons that are less active to actually start talking to the neighboring neuron that is less active and then and so on and so on and so on. So that's how we explain it. You actually want to engage the neurons back into activity and there are studies that show that it has been able to increase the dendritic growth, the little dendrites that connect the neurons and talk to each other. So now Corey, you don't remember.
Paul Frase:You didn't really have there's no real sensation from it. Right?
Corey Berry:No. You don't. It's it's something that it takes time. It don't happen in one session. But talking with my therapist, Crystal Clark at MC Wellness, my wife, my vestibular coach, or vestibular therapist, and some of the others, they said no, they believe that it did a lot of good for me, that they could honestly see a difference.
Corey Berry:And I think that's the main point with a lot of these modalities that we're gonna talk about today is that we may not notice them right away, but the people around us may notice them. And because we're still damaged goods. You know? I'm a good man. I got a good heart, but I'm damaged.
Corey Berry:You're damaged. You know, and so our damages are shown. A matter of fact, speaking of damages, Paul, just popped in my head. Welcome to my brain. I was at the gym yesterday, and I was doing them face pulls.
Paul Frase:Oh, no.
Corey Berry:Well, my shoulders don't go back all the way. And I can't get full motion. So, I'm doing the best I can. And this young guy comes up to him and he goes, you know, you ain't doing it right. You gotta get your shoulders back and I'm using the wide handstands and like making muscle and he's like, you gotta get your shoulders back more and it this ain't really gonna help you unless you do proper technique and I looked at him.
Corey Berry:I said, well, I've had five shoulder surgeries, a neck fusion, and a low back fusion and I'm 57 years old. I really don't think my shoulders work like yours.
Paul Frase:Was he gracious or did he just walk away or what did he?
Corey Berry:He just kind of walked away.
Paul Frase:Oh gosh. Now, that's true. I mean, the mobility is everything in some of those exercises. I was was thinking you were gonna say something horrific like you let go of the bar or the bar let go to the weight and you hit yourself in the head or something like, oh.
Corey Berry:No. But back to the TMS. So I did 32 visits, and I, you gotta go every day. I think it's five weeks. So, it's five days a week for five weeks or something like that, I believe.
Corey Berry:And so, I went and done that and then afterwards, you know, everyone's telling me I seem like I'm doing a little bit better and whatnot. I do not understand it. I don't know what how it works. I don't know what it really did for me, but the people around me have noticed. But for me, I just I can't remember.
Corey Berry:But, what you had for dinner last night, Paul?
Paul Frase:It was, hummus and cabbage, and then I had some really healthy, cacao, purple sweet potato balls of goodness for dessert wrapped, dipped in cacao, which was a 100% cacao, not very sweet, but there was a little honey drizzled over it. But anyway.
Corey Berry:Your memory is better than mine. Don't ask me what I had for dinner last night. I can't tell you.
Paul Frase:Well, one of the things that was pretty cool about your TMS experience, you know, you've been with some of these therapists for a couple of years. Oh, yeah. They knew how screwed up you were. Right? Well, anyway, just kidding.
Corey Berry:I'm still screwed up. I was at vestibular therapy last week, and they got me balancing on a board. Yeah. And I'm sitting there, and for the first two minutes, you go back and forth and see if you can control it to barely hit the ground. The next two minutes, you gotta try to balance.
Paul Frase:Right. Oh.
Corey Berry:Well, I'm doing that and then all of a sudden, the lights on the wall lit up. Blew my brain out. The rage came on. I kicked the paddleboard against the wall and out the door I went.
Paul Frase:Can you can you overstimulate that fast? That type of light, the flashing light can over stimulate you that quickly, right?
Corey Berry:Yep.
Paul Frase:Wow. Yeah, and I'm messed up too Corey. I just didn't want to pick on you, but believe me, can work for a good two hours in the morning and stay pretty consistent. I can't multitask too good, but man, two or three hours into it, I always didn't get brain fatigue and things start looking cross crossways and sideways, and I have to sit sit down and I have to look back at my pad of paper that I had to write everything down. You've been teaching me that so I don't forget it and I still forget it unless I'm looking at it but, yeah, I mean it goes through phases and if I get a little bit of rest, I can pick it up in the afternoon and do some good things.
Paul Frase:Now the TMS, know a couple of your therapists actually were the ones that said, Hey, looks like you really benefited from the TMS. Obviously if the FDA has cleared it for the depression,
Corey Berry:The
Paul Frase:OCD and the treatment resistant, treating, they allow it to treat treatment resistant depression. So treatment resistant depression could be somebody who's already tried three or four SSRI drugs and they just don't work for them. So the FDA knows that TMS can have a positive effect on some people. So they actually, when the insurance company starts reimbursing for some of these things, that's what we want. That's what we need.
Paul Frase:That's what people deserve. Period. I mean
Corey Berry:Well, ask a question. How many people you know have tried one SSRI and it's worked?
Paul Frase:Not I don't know personally, annuity. I I know friends that do, take different SSRI drugs and and God bless them, benzodiazepines and this and that, and they still are kind of on a rollercoaster trying to find the best treatment. And we know what is the percentage of people that SSRI drugs actually work on?
Corey Berry:About fifteen percent.
Paul Frase:And this is clinical. This is not Corey Berry and Paul Frase saying, Hey, I think SSRI drugs don't work for many people.
Corey Berry:No, clinically, clinically it's a seventy five to eighty percent failure rate on your first SSRI.
Paul Frase:Yeah, well, is why we work with somebody like Maisel DeMayo through the Millennium Protocol because
Corey Berry:The Brain Well program? Brain Well program. Sponsored.
Paul Frase:Yes, They
Corey Berry:sponsored, so you need to say the Brain Well program.
Paul Frase:The Brain Well program. So, Paradise Behavioral Health doctor, she's our doctor of psychiatry, Doctor. Maisel DeMio. And one of the really cool things she does before she even suggests, first of all, she would like to get you better without some of those pharmaceutical drugs. But if you have to have a pharmaceutical drug and some people respond to them and better to them, but Myzel actually takes genetic testing so she can understand what your body might accept from one of the SSRI drugs.
Paul Frase:So if you are going to be receptive to it genetically. So that's a huge step in psychiatry because how many horror stories did you hear? I've heard of friends experiencing this. They go and they get on a drug for a month and they say, Doc, it's not working. It's actually making me feel worse.
Paul Frase:I didn't have suicide ideation, but now I'm, who knows? And the doctor says, Oh, well, let's try something else. And how many things do they have to try before they might get some relief or help. So I know my doctor back in early 2000s, I think. I can't even remember what year.
Corey Berry:He put me on an SSRI, and within about three months, I went back and he asked me how I'm doing. I said, I quit taking them. Why? Because I don't feel nothing. I have no emotions.
Corey Berry:I'm not happy. I'm not sad. I'm not mad. I'm not I'm just numb. And so I had to get off of them because it was like, dude, I wanna feel.
Corey Berry:If I'm pissed, I wanna feel pissed. If I'm happy, I wanna feel happy. That's human right, human emotion. And I so me, I couldn't like I said, I took it very little. You know, the next thing we're gonna try, Paul, is, I have been in contact with V Lite.
Corey Berry:Is it V Lite or Vi Lite?
Paul Frase:V I e Lite. So we'll call it V Lite.
Corey Berry:Okay. V Lite. And, I'm gonna get one of their Gamma Duos with the helmet and the nose spray. Not nose spray, nose light, right? A red light.
Corey Berry:And
Paul Frase:we're talking about photo biomodulation, I. E. The infamous red light therapy.
Corey Berry:And what is that? It's a non invasive, non thermal light therapy using red and near infrared light to stimulate cellular function used for pain relief, wound healing, and neurological conditions. And last week, we had Rico Petrini on the HeadRush. So if you want to know more about Red Light, go watch our episode from last week, because he's been on it for years, and he's been part of several studies. And they did a big study in Utah at the college, didn't they?
Paul Frase:Yeah. I think it was the entire football team. Think it was Not the entire team.
Corey Berry:No. It was half the team or the ones that had it and was doing treatment during the season at the end of the season, they had no damage shown and they did imaging before and after.
Paul Frase:Right.
Corey Berry:And then the players that did not have it had damage even without a concussion still showed inflammation. Correct?
Paul Frase:Yep. Exactly. You are exactly right. And that and that was from the repeated head impacts period. And I'm not sure if that study has been released yet, but it is a fantastic study.
Paul Frase:One of the things that red light therapy does and I'm just starting to learn the science of it. Now it's been around, red light therapy, red light treatment, some are better than others. Some penetrate more thoroughly the skull than others. Some bounce off the skull. So you have to have a certain frequency or a certain megahertz or whatever, and we're just learning about that.
Paul Frase:This episode of the HeadRush Podcast is brought to you by our personal doctor and team of doctors, Doctor. Maisel De Mayo, and she's with the Paradise Behavioral Health and we are in the
Corey Berry:Brain Well program, which is also part of the Millennium Health Center. Doctor. Mark Gordon, you've seen him on Joe Rogan and even on our show, the HeadRush Podcast and hormones. And Michelle is awesome. We love her.
Paul Frase:She's our doctor of psychiatry. She works at the Mark Gordon program with the hormones and she adds her twist of genetics. And it basically is melding two wonderful mediums together. And we're getting great help from Doctor. Maisel DeMayo.
Corey Berry:So please check out her website at paradisebehavioral.com. Look up the Brain Well program.
Paul Frase:Get involved. She's sponsoring us. They're sponsoring us for the next year. So we are excited to have them on board and shout the good news to everybody that is watching these broadcasts.
Corey Berry:Is she helping you Paul? Absolutely. She's helping me. So go check her out paradisebehavioralhealth.com.
Paul Frase:So what is great about so we've talked about the big study that came out with the one football player, football team from Utah, and we are actually getting a red light therapy helmet contraption and Corey already explained they actually have a nasal clips with the red light that goes up into the cranium. There's actually neurons that stretch up for not olfactory, but does smell. They actually pierce into the brain. They actually send the red light therapy up. What red light therapy does, one of the things it does, it actually, helps aid the mitochondria to produce ATP at a cellular level.
Paul Frase:So it actually wakes up and gives assistance to mitochondria and it actually also Rico has explained that it will take waste and inflammation out of the brain and there's a couple other things, yeah, and yeah, we know about getting inflammation out of the brain and how that can positively affect us. One of the things, I mean Rico has his own testimony, He was in a trial at 47 years old. He was one of the top salesman in his job and he was doing well and he's very gregarious and he's a good guy and he's a smart dude. And all of a sudden at 47 years old, it was very interesting. It's the same.
Paul Frase:And he played in college, right? He played college football.
Corey Berry:Oregon State University.
Paul Frase:There you go. He didn't get into the NFL, but he played since he was, like, seven years old, like, a young kid. Believe Well, he
Corey Berry:played at Sierra High School, which is where Tom Brady and all of them also played.
Paul Frase:That's right.
Corey Berry:So it was an elite football school, and then he went as wouldn't he a star player?
Paul Frase:Yeah. He was a star
Corey Berry:linebacker? Yeah. Was
Paul Frase:a blue chip five rated five star or something like that.
Corey Berry:Were you? Unknown.
Paul Frase:Was a blue He was a blue chip. I was a blue collar from New Hampshire.
Corey Berry:Weren't you an all American on the all American?
Paul Frase:No, no, no. Was an honorable mention all American big east. So we had teams like Penn State, West Virginia, Boston College, Syracuse, Rutgers, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and I was honorable mention all American at Syracuse. So I was not big time like he was. But I was unknown.
Paul Frase:I was the only kid out of the state of New Hampshire. Well, one of two kids out of the state of New Hampshire that made Division one over like a seven or eight year period. Then getting a chance in the NFL, there's probably 10 or 15 tops that have ever made it out of the state of New Hampshire. Yeah, I was not a blue chip five star whatever they rate these high school kids nowadays. But but Rico was excellent.
Corey Berry:And just think, Rico being an all star blue chip linebacker never made the NFL because of his repeated head impacts. Once again, here's another guy that never made it pro but was good enough to play at a high level that ended up with repeated head impacts and is suspected CTE. Well, he's probable. He's like me. He's actually got clinically diagnosed TES probable CTE.
Corey Berry:So once again, a guy that's never made pro, dealing with the effects of it.
Paul Frase:Yeah, we can absolutely repeat some of the study, one of the studies that's coming eventually. It'll be it's still being peer reviewed, I believe. But anyway, so Rico, 47 years old, his testimony and and get go back and listen to this because we just dropped it, last Monday and it's a great episode. So he started, he flatlined, he went apathetic. You all have heard me talk about, at 47 years old, I just flatlined and it felt like my neurotransmitters were non existent.
Paul Frase:The dopamine, the serotonin, I was supposed to feel good. I used to feel emotion. I used to feel good. And all of a sudden, boom, it was like flat line. And he had that same experience and he had his experience, which I had as well.
Paul Frase:Anxiety started to rise. And Rico actually had problems flying and getting to the airport and actually getting on a plane and flying. Whether it was a claustrophobic feel or it was great, great anxiety. Overstimulation. Overstimulation, okay.
Paul Frase:And personally, I started getting claustrophobia, getting in an MRI machine became impossible. And I learned through our time with Millennium and the Brain Well program with Doctor. Maisel De Mayo, that my body through her genetic testing doesn't assimilate dopamine. And if your body doesn't break down dopamine and your dopamine gets too high, you get anxious and worried. That was part of my problem.
Paul Frase:But anyway, Rico found a trial that was going on for red light therapy and he decided he needed to be in it. He begged, borrowed, and figured out how to get into that test and it did wonders for him. He's back on top of his sales force. I think he was the best salesman in the company last year, but he's definitely getting, he's been having great results and I think he gets on it twenty minutes every morning, fifteen or twenty minutes every morning and he's absolutely able to function at a very high level, almost back to what he was. And you can hear, in his family's response, his wife and he's got two kids, I believe.
Paul Frase:And they said he's just made a world of difference. Now, Rico has been around the red light therapy for quite a while with V Lite for a few years anyway. And so we are sold on it and that's why we're getting one of the headsets as well. We want to shout it from the rooftops as we get some positive results. That's what we're looking for.
Corey Berry:And if you do talk to Rico about it, like he stated in the podcast, this is not a treatment for six months and done. This is a lifelong treatment. He actually said that if he did not put on that helmet and quit putting it off, he would regress. Repeated head impacts in CTE is a neurological brain eating disease.
Paul Frase:So the more that you can have an effect on lowering the inflammation and getting the garbage out of the neural pathways and the synapses and whatever that red light therapy does- The slower the
Corey Berry:degeneration of Exactly. Your
Paul Frase:And turn on that mitochondria and give it a little boost, a little, cell energy. If our mitochondria are not working,
Corey Berry:we're dying slowly anyway. So now for people like me, Paul, you just used another $10,000 word. What is mitochondria? Well, mitochondria is kind
Paul Frase:of like a little capsule, like in every cell. It's like a vegetable capsule, but with ridges around it, little ridges around it. You can go on to a biology books now and look at a cell, from a cellular level and they will show you the components of the cell and mitochondria is inside that and mitochondria is like a battery. It's actually like a battery for the cell and for the body. So if it's not working correctly or it doesn't have the right components, the right nutrients, right everything, and it's gummed up from inflammation and, inflammatory cytokines and glial, what do they call them, microglios and all wonderful stuff that can bind up that cell and it's not getting the right nutrients that it actually cannot create the ATP or the cellular energy.
Paul Frase:So that red light therapy does a few things, lowers inflammation, takes garbage out of the brain and actually gives the mitochondria a boost to help it create ATP. So it's a battery that was dying but the red light therapy gives it a jolt and gives it a little bit, it's like recharging your battery. That's simply put, know, that, I mean, a neurologist was probably cringing or a biologist is probably cringing hearing me talk about it like that, it's like a battery dying and you're recharging the battery and you're giving the battery what it needs to recharge. So that's what we're hearing that red light therapy is doing for the, at a cellular level.
Corey Berry:I can't wait to get it and try it. Really
Paul Frase:can't. I can't wait for you to get it and try it. So I can't wait for you to be fixed though.
Corey Berry:You may never get fixed. You're the one that every time you see Crystal, I'm fixed.
Paul Frase:I'm fixed. I'm fixed. Yeah. Well, it's pretty cool. We're not just going to sit back and let this disease kick our tail, right?
Paul Frase:And we're doing it for a myriad of reasons. One, we still feel that we can have a positive influence on people around us. We want to live and we don't want to be a burden on our loved ones.
Corey Berry:Well, and that's the biggest issue for me is I've always wanted to be a product of society, not a burden on society. And after that car wreck, I have become a burden on society. And so I'm fighting for modalities and therapies that can keep me happier or make me go a little bit better for the day for my wife and my daughter and just be and probably for you. And, also, my new well, it's not new. It's sixteen months old now is my new path in life is to bring hope and awareness to this terrible disease and to help people who suffer and to just I'll give them a voice because I tell you what, these corporations, these big, big corporations, these four big, huge alphabet letter associations.
Corey Berry:They they don't want this out. You know, they don't want out that, you know, these sports are hurting people permanently. And we're gonna be bringing in someone to talk about that in the rodeo world that just had their brain examined or their father's brain examined and we're going to give the report out then. But it's just tremendous that, you know, with all the hell that's going out, that there's no one helping. I mean, if you look at the three big helpers of this disease, you got concussion and CTE Foundation, Chris Nowinski, and Doctor Robert Cantu.
Corey Berry:You got Mac Parkman Foundation with Bruce Parkman and Perry Parkman. You got the Patrick Risha CTE Awareness Foundation at stopcte.org with Karen and Doug Ziegel. And you got the HeadRush Podcast and the HeadRush Foundation.
Paul Frase:You got another factor in getting help would be Millennium Health Centers with Doctor. Mark Corden, of course, Maisel DeMio. You have your neurologist. I guess what you are saying is the help coming from a foundation sense and actually getting help and awareness to people that need it. Another one.
Corey Berry:And that's what I'm talking about. Not the doctors, not the medical directors, but for people that just help. Right. And I mean, you look at little bit, well, let's make it public. I think I already have.
Corey Berry:Let's make it public for you. You know, we had Trevor Millar on from Ambeo Life. Right. On our on our podcast. And he, I don't think it's downloaded yet.
Corey Berry:It, no, and it won't be. But it's coming out. But if you look at it, you know, me and Paul, we're going to Tiawanaman. I'm gonna go put on a sombrero and go do Ibogaine with Paul. We're gonna do Ibogaine together.
Corey Berry:Another modality that we're trying to help better our lives. But like I said, we are not doctors. We are not medical professionals. We are taking advice, doing our own research, doing our own thought process. I did not peer pressure Paul into going with me, and god knows anybody that knows cowboys knows no one peer pressures us into doing anything.
Corey Berry:Is Stop. Cte.org proudly sponsors the HeadRush Podcast.
Paul Frase:Karen and Doug Ziegel, they are founders. Karen founded the CTE Awareness Foundation, and they are one of the most comprehensive websites regarding repeated head impacts and chronic traumatic encephalopathy. They have they work with legislature. They are they've been doing this for about ten years.
Corey Berry:They're the grandparents of CTE in my book. So don't knock it. Stopcte.org.
Paul Frase:Corey, one of the things I was literally leading into that because you're going to be doing the photobiomodulation, the red light therapy, trying to feel if it is going to be helpful to you and we are also researching and talking to Trevor Miller at Ambeo. And yes, we have committed to do it, but only after you spoke, you've spoken to many people who have tested veterans, Green Berets, Special Forces people. NFL athletes. NFL athletes and
Corey Berry:Hockey athletes.
Paul Frase:Yeah. Yeah. We just we we just got to talk to and we're gonna have him on our podcast eventually, I think in May. A hockey, Dallas Star and he played College Henske, dude. Yeah.
Paul Frase:Yeah. Hemske. He played for thirteen or fourteen years in the NHL and he's got one heck of a story and and it and it includes a life altering journey through the process down at Ambeo in Tijuana. Is not just-
Corey Berry:January. I mean, there's a lot that have spoken out about this. Who Marcus Luttrell. I mean, there's a lot of people that have come out openly to speak about Ibogaine. Brett Favre
Paul Frase:Yeah.
Corey Berry:Who was on our podcast has done it. So, I mean, you need to do your research.
Paul Frase:Yeah, exactly. And we're not just taking everybody's word for it that they had a good journey and good results. We're actually doing the research and also we're following research like there was a recent study at Cornell, Cornell, we're talking Cornell, we're not talking a community college. And they actually did a study on psilocybin and Ibogaine is a plant medicine just like a psilocybin.
Corey Berry:Well, they actually did that study at Stanford with the military where they went in and did all the neurological exams, the
Paul Frase:brain exams,
Corey Berry:and everything at Stanford. Then they went down, did the Ibogaine treatment, then came back to Stanford and redid everything.
Paul Frase:They did brain scans there was legitimate science behind it. But the one thing that we're talking about the psilocybin with the mushrooms, the microdosing is actual growth, dendritic growth and brain matter growth in the brain real time. They can see it and the fascinating thing, listen to Chase Hughes, he's a up and coming mega star on social media and broadcasts and he's been on Sean Ryan and I don't know if he's been on Joe Rogan yet, but anyway, he followed that clinical trial at Cornell, he followed it very closely and they also found out that when you're micro dosing, if you are positive and upbeat and thinking positive about life, actually train that new dendritic growth, those dendrites and the brain growth in a positive manner. And conversely if you're negative, if you have a bad temper or you're raging and you're on psilocybin microdosing, you actually create negative, interaction with the new dendrite growth. You're still growing brain matter, but it actually, comes out in a negative, form or I would have to read obviously the actual study, but you get it.
Paul Frase:Positive under positive, said, Chase Hughes said, this is wonderful, but it's scary too, because you actually can manipulate. If somebody is microdosing, you can manipulate how their brains react into the growth of their brains. So, if you are ever microdosing, you better have somebody positive and not a negative Nelly around you. You better have a positive Pollyanna. I don't know if you ever saw the story.
Paul Frase:What was that? Pollyanna? What was the movie? She was always positive in the light of darkness.
Corey Berry:I have no clue.
Paul Frase:Anyway, but anyway, what we're trying to do is, what we're trying to say is, Corey, you're doing the red light therapy before you go down to Ambeo and Tijuana to check out Ibogaine, an Ibogaine journey. We are just searching for things that will have a positive effect on our repeated head impact residuals. And Corey is TES because he's gone through all, he has fifteen years of medical records stacked this high and takes it into the doctor that finally can actually diagnose him TES. He made it pretty easy for that doctor to do that. That's one of the top doctors in the nation, in America, and probably in the world when it comes to TES diagnosis and CTE research.
Corey Berry:Well, he works directly with Ann McKee and all of them guys. So Yeah. Well, he's part of the NFL study. His university is. Is it?
Corey Berry:Okay. Yeah. And so, I mean, going and seeing him, doctor Jeremy Tanner at UTL San Antonio, the Glenn Briggs Institute for Alzheimer's and neurodegenerative changes. A matter of fact, I'm going down there April, and I'm doing a research down there, and they're gonna do PET scans. The first day is gonna be the amyloid, and the second day is gonna be the tau.
Corey Berry:But the great thing about this one is I get the results. Tanner's actually gonna get the results of these scans, so we'll be able to tell more about what it is. And if they find tons of tau, who knows? Maybe with this research and being able to find all that tau, they'll look at me and go, well, you're diagnosed CTE. You know, that Hopefully this is a way they can find it in the living.
Paul Frase:Yeah, and it's definitely a study of biomarkers, trying to find the biomarkers and be able to diagnose it in the living. That's pretty cool that you're involved with that. All right, on to the next one that we are talking about more in-depth. We might mention one or two more, but another therapy that we are talking about and Corey has actually had two sessions is neurofeedback. And neurofeedback, I believe, who I want to say it's, I know it's FDA cleared and they use an EEG contraption to measure, but it's a non invasive therapeutic procedure that uses real time monitoring of brainwave activity using EEG to train the brain to improve self regulation, focus, and emotional control.
Paul Frase:Corey, again, you have had two sessions. Tell us what does it entail? What do they do? Do they put another helmet on you and a contraption? Tell us about that experience.
Corey Berry:Let me see if I can remember it because I haven't done it in a while because my therapist is moving and so did the neurofeedback machine. She's got another one. So Wednesday, I'll actually be going down and seeing her and doing the neurofeedback. Clips on your ears, little things, electrodes or not electrodes. Not electrocuting me.
Corey Berry:Little
Paul Frase:They're they're not pods, but they are they're sensors. They're sensors that actually attach to the skull, stick to Yeah. The
Corey Berry:And it's plugged into this computer and the screen has all these scribbly lines that go back and forth and you watch your screen and then scribbly lines are actually your brain talking.
Paul Frase:Yeah. Pretty fascinating.
Corey Berry:Yeah. And so you get to watch your neurofeedback, and so you're watching your own brain moving. And Rich Coates has a lot of good to say about neurofeedback. Our
Paul Frase:friend from across the pond who was a rugby player for thirty years
Corey Berry:Marshaling CTE.
Paul Frase:Marshaling CTE. Yes. He said some of his teammates and people he's worked with have actually had really good experiences quieting their brains down.
Corey Berry:Well, it's good enough that Crystal has bought a neurofeedback machine and using it. So you know that someone like Crystal, my therapist, is actually, doing the research and checking out the clinical trials because she's not gonna go spend $10,000 on something that ain't going to work.
Paul Frase:Yeah. And simply put, again, this is a 10,000 foot view. It actually acts as a gym exercise. So you're just exercising the brain and they know clinically, they know it can treat ADHD, it can treat anxiety, it can treat PTSD and insomnia among other things. So they have had some extensive research on it.
Paul Frase:I don't know how, if it isn't reimbursed yet or how much it's reimbursed or for what indications. Hopefully, when you do research and they talk about it treats ADHD, anxiety, PTSD, and insomnia, hopefully you would at least those four indications would be covered by insurance. I'm not sure, don't quote us on any of that. Do your research.
Corey Berry:That's with all these modalities. Do your own research, talk to your own professionals, and all these modalities we talk about, even hyperbaric chambers and cold water plunges. No. I mean, no matter what, do your own research on any of these modalities we talk about. We're just a two old people talking on our phones and in studio to you guys about the research and everything that we have learned as we're bringing this to you.
Corey Berry:And so please go talk to your own physical therapist and every because is a cold pledge good for you being AFib? Have you done research on that?
Paul Frase:I haven't, but some new research just came out, about cold plunge and cold plunge is excellent for a number of different things about, breathing. Was some really fascinating health benefits, physiological and biological health benefits from the, cold punch but you don't have to get in a tub of ice in 36 degree water or 32 degree water. You actually they said it's just as good running the water in your shower cold for three minutes.
Corey Berry:Well, see, and I wonder how that works because in Texas, when it's a 134 degrees out, don't even turn on the hot water for the first ten minutes.
Paul Frase:Yeah. Well, do your study and do your research. It's pretty cool that the things that cold plunge will do, again, physiologically and health wise for your body. But might not have to get in frozen ice pond in Minnesota in January.
Corey Berry:You know, I did a cold plunge years ago. We the Cowboys started a cold plunge deal and in the winter in Oregon. Where they're it's cold.
Paul Frase:Yeah.
Corey Berry:And I went and jumped in the Rogue River, which is kinda like the coldest water around. And I just remember, man, everything just hit me and just, oh my god. Me and Pickle did it together, and it took everything I could to get it back to the bank. Oh. Because it just kinda hypothermia and all that stuff just went, whoop.
Corey Berry:And I made it back to the bank, and it was funny. And I said, you know, most people in this cold, they go jump in their swimming pool. Real men go jump in the river. You know?
Paul Frase:Alright. You're right. Well, we've got so much more to talk about and so many other therapies to talk about. I mean, we didn't even touch on, ketamine has been a question mark. There's some good, the good, the bad, the ugly or the indifferent.
Paul Frase:People have benefited from it. Research says that you have to increase the dosage if you use it frequently and so on and so forth. But a stellate ganglion block, they actually put a big needle in between your fifth and sixth vertebrae of that.
Corey Berry:Well, right in the side of your neck. Yeah. And yeah. Oh, yeah. Literally Chris go Boyce actually did the video
Paul Frase:and Oh.
Corey Berry:And posted it of him getting the needles in his neck.
Paul Frase:No. Thanks. Exactly. And that's And they say that actually has a very positive effect on fight or flight or PTSD. People that are always in fight or flight.
Paul Frase:So the ketamine, you got the stellate, plagiar block. We have a lot more to talk about and we have a lot more to research. Do your own research. Make sure you don't just try anything haphazardly. Make sure you please consult for your physicians, your personal physicians and talk through it and research it and make sure that you are healthy enough to do some of these things.
Paul Frase:I have AFib and atrial fibrillation and, one of the things with the, Ibocaine treatment is they do extensive research on your heart. I'm going to be doing an EKG and an echocardiogram before, and they do it under doctor supervision as well.
Corey Berry:But they'll also do one before you even go down, and then they'll do another one before you go under.
Paul Frase:Right, exactly. Yeah. So we're not just going to Costa Rica or Peru and sitting
Corey Berry:Doing Ayahuasca.
Paul Frase:Well, we're not doing that. We're going yeah. Exactly. Say no more.
Corey Berry:No. But let us know if you like these every two weeks talks with just me and Paul, how things are going. If you have any comments, suggestions, questions, please put them in a comment down below give us ideas to talk about because we're bringing this to you and we're trying this out to see how it goes. And so far, I think I like it and I know other people have responded to it for us. But this way, we're coming to you every week.
Corey Berry:And this is all thanks to Redbird Media who is going to be producing these and editing it and all of that. And he had to take off on an emergency so he's not with us. But
Paul Frase:and we're gonna
Corey Berry:we're gonna get this big long video, and he's gonna edit it down, cut it, make it look good, and ship it out to you guys. So let us know what you think about these personal podcast episodes.
Paul Frase:We appreciate it. We're gonna we're we promise we're gonna dress it up a little bit. We're gonna have nice banners behind us with the HeadRush Foundation. I think we're I'm we're gonna get two banners. One of us will have the foundation behind us and one of us will have the HeadRush Podcast behind us.
Paul Frase:So we want both. Again, we're going to have those donate buttons up very quickly, if not already.
Corey Berry:They're not up already, so don't even They're go still working
Paul Frase:I don't on know, but by the time this airs, maybe it is, knows? I don't know. We
Corey Berry:We got do want to to get powers that be that do that.
Paul Frase:Well, and yes, the fact is we can legally solicit funds for donations and give donors a tax write off legally.
Corey Berry:So reach out to Paul Frase and tell him that you want to donate. Reach out to me and tell me you want to donate and I'll connect you with my wife. I am not on the bank account. I am not a signature, but I can give you the address to mail the check to. And then keep an eye out for headrushfoundation.org.
Corey Berry:And also go check out our website at headrushpodcast.org or.com.dotcom.
Paul Frase:Yes.
Corey Berry:And stay alert.
Paul Frase:And stay alive.
Corey Berry:And let's just really see what we can do and grow. And like I said, me and Paul, obviously, we're in this for the long run. If we are looking at possibly building a 50 acre ranch, horses, and several little houses for people to come and stay on the property for a length of time and go through some of these modalities and all of this. So we're not leaving. We're not going anywhere.
Corey Berry:We're in it for the long haul.
Paul Frase:Hey. We're gonna have to talk about food too. We didn't we didn't even touch on
Corey Berry:Chapter 20 of the Doctor. Amen, Change Your Brain,
Paul Frase:That's Change Your right. Yeah. There's a lot to cover.
Corey Berry:But you got his new book, Change Your Brain, Change Your Pain, is chapter 20 in that one?
Paul Frase:Yes. I don't know if there's a chapter 20 in that one, but I am reading it right now. Can we share the surprise? Sure, go for it. Well, we actually are getting Doctor.
Paul Frase:Amen on as a guest to the HeadRush Podcast and it will probably be aired in May, this coming May. So we're excited and we're getting ready to ask him some quite great questions about his new book, Change Your Brain, Change Your Pain. And, we're, really excited about, the opportunity.
Corey Berry:You know who's probably more excited, me and you? No. How about Nick Leduc? Our
Paul Frase:friend who has had the SPECT scan is specialized that Doctor. Amen has brought into neurological health and wellness practice in a great way. Nick will be very surprised and happy, think. He'll probably want to get in studio and start asking questions.
Corey Berry:No, we don't want Nick there for that one.
Paul Frase:Alright. Appreciate it, Corey. Thank you. You guys have a good night in Dallas or Stevenville.
Corey Berry:I plan on it. Go bees and go purple.
Paul Frase:That's right.
Corey Berry:Hey. What color is your your orange at Syracuse, but what's your favorite college team now?
Paul Frase:I mean I mean, Syracuse, still it's I I want them to win, but it's been few and far between. I did my last most recent college game was Tarleton State right there in Stephenville. I even have a jersey Clint Clint Clint Corey and his wife Beverly got me a nice a nice pullover Tarleton State Pearl pullover and they they win. They win their division or they they went undefeated or something like that? They want lost one game.
Corey Berry:They lost one game and they made it clear into the playoffs and lost in the semifinals.
Paul Frase:Yeah. Yeah. That was that was a pretty cool run. Good stuff.
Corey Berry:Yeah, it was. And so, well, you're talking about Texas. We got champions and everything around here. Mean, got over 200 gold buckles in this city.
Paul Frase:Yeah.
Corey Berry:And not mentioning our football teams, our high school team are even state champions.
Paul Frase:Yeah. It's pretty cool.
Corey Berry:Mean, got a lot of good stuff around here, but stay alert, stay alive. Thank you. Please like, share, follow, comment. Do a review. Let us know how we're doing.
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Paul Frase:in studio. Happy Easter, everybody.
Corey Berry:Happy Easter. Will this be showed before Easter?
Paul Frase:No. Well.
Corey Berry:Well, hope you all had a good Easter, Willie.
Paul Frase:No, it is. It will be
Corey Berry:showed before Easter. Two weeks from now?
Paul Frase:Easter's in Palm Sunday is today this today. This is going to be shown the Monday after Easter. Well, I I hope you enjoyed your Easter everybody.
Corey Berry:Happy Easter, everybody. Hope you enjoyed it. Have a good one. Talk to y'all later.
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