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Welcome to the Twist My Arm Podcast! We're here to twist your arm into something new!
Hello, everyone,
and welcome back to Quest Me,
the TMA podcast that takes
you on a quest through Star
Wars legends and canon.
New canon.
Yeah.
My name is Josh.
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And of course, like I said,
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Today, we are talking about the Acolyte,
episode six, Teach Me.
We're back to the slashes in the episodes.
The last two episodes did
not have a slash.
It was just one word.
And this time we're back to it, I guess.
So I wish the episodes were
longer and that there was
like a half hour of teach
and a half hour of corruption.
But I digress.
I cannot do this alone, obviously,
because look at me having a
hard time speaking alone.
So I have to bring in my
lovely co-host and friend.
His name is Justin.
How are you doing today?
I'm doing fantastic.
Thank you.
How are you?
Good.
I actually just got back in
town from your neck of the woods.
I was so busy.
I was so busy.
I just drove the whole time, I feel like.
There's just so much traffic
out there to begin with,
and then when you throw the
4th of July on top of it, it just... Man,
it was bad.
It was really bad.
So...
But it's good to have you on.
And next time I'm in town,
we will make sure to hit up
lunch or something.
I would love that.
Yeah.
So Phil is normally here too,
but he works the Ren Faire.
And like I was just saying,
I was in Colorado through
the week for the 4th of July.
And so our episode got delayed to today,
which, you know...
That's why we're here on
Sunday instead of Thursday or Friday.
So as we wait for Phil to get in here,
we're going to talk to our
good friend and guest.
He's a returning quester.
His name is Steve, also known as Sincera.
How are you doing?
What's up, guys?
I'm on a podcasting roll
today because I've recorded
two episodes for my own,
and now I'm with you guys.
So I'm just coasting on through.
Still got the background up from that one.
So I was like, why change it?
Just keep it.
Yeah, never change it.
Yeah, it is.
The Battlestar?
Is that the Galactica or something?
That's the old girl Galactica.
Okay.
I never saw that show.
I never watched it.
Well,
good thing there's a rewatch podcast
coming out shortly that you
can follow along.
Oh, interesting.
Wait, wait, wait.
The original or the reboot?
The 2004 one.
All right.
That's even better.
Yeah.
We're going to do a few
special episodes when we go
back to the original, but maybe two.
There's not much to find there.
I'm in that camp.
There's not an underlining
plot to the entire series.
Somewhat,
but you've got to watch the show
to find that out.
I'll save that for when you
tune in to Battle Stage
Theatrica coming soon.
Is that what it's called?
Yeah, so my friend and I,
not only do we review the episodes,
but we act out a scene,
two scenes from each episode.
We're both theater majors.
That's amazing.
We do one scene before he's
watched the episode, and then we watch it,
and then we do a second one.
The first one is like, you know,
spoiler-free part of it.
It's just a good dramatic
scene or a fun scene, whatever the hell.
And then the second one,
obviously we can't do
before he watches it
because it'll give everything away.
But then we'll get into the
thick of things after he watches it.
Now your buddy is a brand new viewer?
Brand new viewer.
That's cool.
He has his own history
podcast and he's such a
his brain is just full of
endless knowledge that even
though we're watching,
like I'm watching the show
for like the sixth time, maybe more,
even I, I lost count.
And then he,
he's watching it for the first
time and he's like, Hey, look at,
look at that on the wall.
Like that's, that's reminiscent of,
of Hinduism.
And that over there is like, I'm like,
dude, you're seeing so many things.
I have not noticed.
So he it's, I, I, every episode I say,
I'm having so much fun
watching this with you because you're,
you're illuminating new
things with the show.
pointing stuff out.
That's great.
And maybe I will actually
have to start watching
Battlestar Galactica so I
can listen to the pod and
know what's going on.
Yeah.
It's on Amazon Prime.
Yeah.
Well, keep us posted on that.
I want to say hello to the
people in the chat,
but it's only one person.
It's Jesse.
Hello, Jesse.
And hello to everyone else watching.
Thank you for tuning in.
We are on Facebook, YouTube, Twitch,
Twitter, and Instagram today.
I'm just throwing everything at the wall.
So thanks for stopping in.
Wait, who's hitting on me in the chat?
Is that you?
Who's Sudden But Inevitable?
That's Jesse.
That's Jesse.
I'm like, what the hell?
Who's that?
I thought that was you.
no no no no he go he he
still does spi all no no no
no he go he he still does
spi all no no no no he go
he he still does spi all
the time that's his
incognito thing the time
that's his incognito thing
the time that's his
incognito thing that's like
his burner account now
that's like his burner
account now that's like his
burner account now now I
know that that's this
trolling now I know that
that's this trolling now I
know that that's this
trolling account account
account yeah so like I said
we are waiting for yeah so
like I said we are waiting
for yeah so like I said we
are waiting for phil to get
here and we're talking phil
to get here and we're
talking phil to get here
and we're talking about
episode six of the acolyte
um about episode six of the
acolyte um about episode
six of the acolyte um
normally we do a bar far
away normally we do a bar
far away normally we do a
bar far away right at the beginning but
The way that I'm doing this
episode is a little different.
I'm not going to... We're
not going to talk about the
whole episode and then do
segments at the end.
We're actually going to...
I've broken this up into
three different parts
because this episode was
three different storylines.
And we're going to talk
about each different part as a whole.
And then as the segments pop
up when we're talking about each section,
I will play those segments.
So...
It's going to be a little
different this time.
We're not going to have
those fun little intros to
one chimers or anything like that.
But I think it might be a little more fun.
So that being said, spoiler,
we didn't have any segments
in part three of this story.
So we're going to start with
part three while we wait
for Phil to get here.
And hopefully he gets here on time.
I guess.
Because we're just going to keep going.
Stereotypically,
the third is always the worst.
Most of the time, I suppose.
First is the worst.
Second is the best.
Third is the one in the polka dot dress.
Anyway, Steve,
what have been your thoughts
on... I haven't started drinking yet?
I'm sorry.
I'm still cold sober.
What have been your thoughts
on the Acolytes so far up to episode six?
Okay.
Dangerous question.
I know.
Are you completely...
No, yes and no.
After the first episode,
I was on the internet like
you shouldn't do.
And I was like, man,
everyone's really hating on this.
And so I tried not to let it
affect my viewership.
And then I don't know if
it's a combination of that
and just being dog tired.
But for episodes two and three,
I fell asleep.
So I don't know if that's
anything to do with the poor writing,
the slow going,
or if it was just something
I wasn't enjoying.
But I woke up like, oh, what?
Something's on fire.
And then episode five hooked.
Tail end of episode four also hooked.
And then even this episode
was slower going.
We're like, okay,
we're getting into the meat
of the mystery.
Let's get it.
And of course,
when I was doing this
episode with you guys,
I went back and watched the
first three without falling asleep.
Because now I'm a little bit
more invested in the story.
So...
I really think it just goes
to show that when did I text you?
When episode one dropped,
I think I saw a review
within five minutes.
Like an IMDB one that had
all the grammatical errors.
Guys,
the show hasn't even had time to breathe.
Sure,
I didn't necessarily enjoy it because
I just watched it and I fell asleep, but
There has been a significant
amount of hate.
There's been a lot of hate
on this for seemingly no reason.
I mean,
it just seems like the people with
their headcanon that have
this idea of how the story
should have gone 100 to 150 years ago,
it seems like
Those guys are the ones
getting the most upset
because the story isn't
what they want it to be.
And I think a lot of people
are forgetting the
fundamentals of Star Wars,
which is cheesy, bad writing,
stupid characters,
and a ridiculously easy plot to uncover.
Now,
I guess you could say the Darth Vader
storyline back in the day...
from episode when it was
just releasing of course
that empire strikes back
twist was not seen like no
one saw that coming at all
but if you watch episode
one through six in that
order then it's then you're
always gonna know so now I
like watching four or five
one two three six yeah I
know I know I know there's
like I talked about it a bit
There's certain orders to
watch it or whatever.
But that's just kind of my
theory is that people just
hate on it because it's not
what they wanted.
I think the hate is also coming from
especially the our
generation like we grew up
with the jedi as our heroes
and now we're revisiting
yeah we're revisiting a
time when the jedi are
actually I don't know if
they're just start they're
just starting to get bad at
their jobs but they're
they're leading they're
leading into the generation
that we also grew up with
in the prequels that
allowed the sith to grow
like they're they're starting to become
complacent cops.
And that fits, I think,
with the general narrative
of this country in present day.
And I think people just
don't want to see it.
They want Star Wars to be their fantasy.
They want the Jedi to be their heroes.
They're rocking a hard place
and trying to see it any other way.
I'm like, well,
as much as I don't want to
see my Jedi not being the heroes,
maybe it's nice to see
Or it's interesting to see
this potential Sith be a
hero or at least not black and white.
The protagonist instead of the antagonist.
And that was the whole point of this show.
That was the whole point of the show.
Jesse, we talked about this recently.
Oh, sorry.
It says, Jesse says,
my biggest issue with the
true whiners is that it's a
mystery show labeled as a
mystery and they whine that
they don't have all the
plot answers yet and they
say the pacing is bad.
yes that's very true um and
and another thing it's just
people that that want it
their way and they're not
getting it their way and
they're just whining about
it and I've avoided the
internet as well like well
especially when these
things drop but the
arguments that I've seen
they're really easy to tear
apart I usually don't
engage I don't engage but
it's also like could you
have you not seen the rest
like especially the first
the first episode was what
there's a fire in space
Death Star.
Star Destroyer crashing into Death Star.
Exclusions.
Fire.
Other Death Star.
Ring of Fire in the special edition.
Anything that blows up.
Any other sci-fi that has space battles,
there's fire.
I'm sorry.
It's divisible for people.
It can't start in space just randomly,
but it happens.
Even just saying it can't start in space,
it doesn't matter what our
physics and things are.
It's Star Wars.
It's a totally different set of rules.
We've talked about that
numerous times on this show.
The rules don't apply.
It doesn't matter.
They have lightsabers that
deflect laser bullets and
now they have... I digress.
Justin, what were you going to say?
so steve I thought it was
funny you mentioned you
falling asleep I fell
asleep in the theaters
three separate times to han
solo the movie and I
watched it at home finally
awake the entire time and I
loved it I just watched
that movie last week yeah
it's great yeah I like I
like the solo movie it's yeah
show about space magic and
people are asking questions
about realism.
And that's not even the
biggest arguments that I
see throughout the internet.
What was the other one?
One episode ago,
Jackie was using a wooden sword,
and now she's using a
lightsaber and fighting a Sith.
I'm like, okay.
Last Samurai.
She was training.
That's a training sword.
The Last Samurai were using wooden swords.
The experienced guys were
using wooden swords to
combat each other and train.
Yeah, they're training.
Maybe she should be using
the training blade.
Maybe.
We could have an entire
episode just based on haters.
Like, for real.
I really wish I would have
brought back the toxic
tweet of the week for this season.
Because it would have been... Yeah, oh,
that's good.
Oh, that's good.
No, I didn't... I'm taking that from you.
Oh, okay.
We came up with that during Ahsoka.
Don't give me credit for that.
That's yours.
Or maybe Nick did that.
I mean,
Toxic Tweet of the Week was during Kenobi,
which was a perfect time to
break out that segment.
And that was the other most
hated show so far was Kenobi.
So Kenobi and the Acolyte
share similarities in that sense.
Jesse says he's never seen Solo.
You should do it.
It's actually pretty fun.
To answer your full question,
I am enjoying it and I'm
just avoiding outside
influence to help me,
to keep me from enjoying it
because that might push me
and I just don't care.
Now that I'm awake
throughout all the episodes,
I'm having a good time.
Yeah.
And I've had a really good
time watching it, too.
I haven't been disappointed.
The only thing I was
disappointed in was...
We'll talk about it today.
It's the only thing,
and it was in this episode.
My wife can sit and watch it with me,
and I love that.
So I'm really digging this show so far.
My wife doesn't do that,
but we do our own things, so that's fine.
You want to talk about it
because it's in this episode.
I'm just disappointed that
Kalnaka was killed off screen,
but apparently I've seen
trailer footage where he's not
done completely,
because there's going to be
some flashback stuff.
We're going to see him and
young Torben fighting, I think.
That's keeping me going,
but I really wanted to see
some Wookiee Jedi action,
and I better get it.
If I don't get Wookiee Jedi
action this season...
If I don't get my Wookiee action,
I'm going to scream.
I just want to see a Wookiee
yell and then him to go
charge in with the lightsaber.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
And that's not because I'm a
fan who's angry.
I was promised that.
And if I don't get it... I
saw a trailer and it was in it.
So let's get this thing started here.
I always have my own little synopses.
Yeah,
Phil's going to have some good words
here.
So my synopsis this week for episode six,
which is called Teach Slash Corruption,
which I also renamed Darth
Riz to the rescue.
Because on this week's episode,
we get an extensive look at
the stranger and all of his...
assets uh the twins seem to
be heading in the old
switcheroo direction and
soul is looking more and
more sus by the minute um
we are going to start with
the vernestra row storyline
though so like I said
before I broke this down
into three different parts
I'm going to talk about
each different part oh look
at that phil's popping in
so part three is the vernestra row and
Mog storyline.
And it starts off like the
first time you see Ro,
it's talking about an
external review of the Jedi.
I hear that the senator that
she's talking to is named Whatchawan.
His name is Senator Whatchawan.
And apparently that's based
off the Beastie Boys song, Whatcha Want.
Whatcha Want.
This is a very late thing
that I just recently heard.
What's your stance on that?
I could see it's similar,
but I don't know.
Someone's got to be a big fan.
I'm pretty sure that Leslie
Hedlund said that she's a
really big fan of Beastie Boys.
There's another thing I'll
just caveat on with that is
that I don't know who Roe is.
So some of these characters
are kind of... No,
Vanessa's the green Jedi.
Yes.
Who's Roe?
That's Vernestra Rowe.
Oh, God.
You made it seem like two people.
Sorry.
I'm sorry.
My bad.
It's okay.
I heard Vernestra Rowe and the Padawan.
That's on me.
There's a third person that
I didn't even notice.
Um, so like I said,
it starts off with Senator,
the Senator talking to Roe and he's like,
we're going to do a, an extensive,
what is it?
An extensive like review of the Jedi.
So they're going to, they're going to,
yeah,
they're going to get a little audit.
He's going to be coming
through with his checkboard, the IRS,
you know, his little,
his little sheet is going to be like,
he's going to be like
wiping his hand on the top
of like banisters looking
for dust and being like, ah,
it's unclean in here.
Please don't trigger my PTSD.
I'm not actually PTSD ridden
from being forced to clean my room.
I'm just saying like.
Oh yeah, that makes sense.
So what do you think that
means for the Jedi here?
Because it seems like the
Senate is half of them kind
of trust the Jedi and half of them don't.
And from what we know right now,
the Jedi are a separate
entity from the Republic.
It's like they're their own thing,
private company.
And the Republic hires them sometimes.
That's...
As far as I understand,
that's kind of how it is.
Well, Episode 1,
they started... They're
always a neutral party.
They've been the ambassadors
for the Republic and
certain planet systems.
And to me,
I've always seen them as the
neutral party,
and so that's why they use them.
I've gotten a police force kind of vibe,
like a private security
force vibe this series.
It seems like Finestra's
goal is to get them into
the Senate to be more like
ambassadors as opposed to
I think it's the opposite.
I think she's trying to stay
out of the Senate because
the Senate would then start
using them for their own
benefit and stuff.
Kind of like how Palpatine did later on.
In the first episode when
she was discovering this
might be a Sith and we need to keep quiet,
to me it was like learning
that we let a Sith grow
would ruin our chances of
being elevated to that position of
right neutral hand of the Chancellor.
I could be misinterpreting,
but that's what I'm getting.
I don't think anyone has
ever said the word Sith
besides Chimera in the last
episode when he said,
you might call me Sith.
I think everyone else is
calling him like a fallen Jedi.
Yeah, a fallen Jedi.
I could be adding it.
What about in that room when
they were all standing
around the table and
everyone was mad that that
other Jedi was there,
even though he's not
supposed to be there?
Ki-Adi-Mundi.
yeah didn't they say sith in
front of him no that's why
everyone got mad I thought
was that if he knew there
was a sith out there then
and I think that's why
that's why everyone was
stupid for getting mad
about that because they had
just talked about a jedi
like he needed a master or
something like that I'm
pretty sure there was no
mention of sith other than
when chimera said you might call me sith
And I will go back and watch that episode.
There you go.
Jesse says she implies Sith
but never says it.
I'll have to go back and
watch and we'll do a recap next week,
I guess.
This is a Star Wars show.
We can't trust what Jesse's saying.
All fallen Jedi.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it would be falling.
And what that would mean is
that the Senate would then
not trust the Jedi because
they are apt to falling.
Do they even know that the
dark side exists?
Do they even know what the dark side is?
Do they understand what
these deranged... Yeah,
but do they understand what
these deranged monks
actually control and how they can fall?
So has the Senate never
heard of a Jedi that's done bad things?
Because it's happened all the time.
I'm also getting vibes of
the company that doesn't
want to lose their 100% success rate,
and so they work really
hard to cover things up.
They're on day 1,020 of no incident,
basically.
More like if you see these
movies where the
prosecution cuts a deal
with the convict because we might lose,
and that'll...
I won't have my 100% case
closure success rate because if we lose,
then my reputation goes.
So Master Venostro is like,
we got to keep this wrapped up.
Can't tell the Senate.
Can't let the Senate in.
But I feel like she's also
trying to garner approval
from the Senate to elevate
the status of the Jedi.
I could be completely misinterpreting,
but that's what I'm getting.
It's possible.
What do you think about that, Justin?
About this whole them
getting an audit and
getting controlled by the Senate or...
things of that nature.
Now that Steve brings up Vanessa trying to
go that way with the Senate.
Your logic is sound.
Honestly,
I could see A to Z the way you
explained it.
I didn't realize it until
you did mention it.
I just thought she was
trying to politically even get involved.
I thought she was just
trying to cover shit up for her friends.
If it's not that,
it's my other theory that
Chimera is after her.
and she's trying to cover up
the whole thing.
Well,
that's something we'll talk about
later on in this episode.
Oh, I know where you're going.
Okay, okay.
I really, man, I like,
I like all those theories
to just kind of wrap that up.
I do personally, it's more of, I'm more,
it's more her.
And this is my own personal opinion that,
that she's trying to keep
away from the Senate and to
make sure that the high
council doesn't like also
figure out what's going on.
So, um, not a ton teen.
You want to start a spreadsheet?
Like we can place bets on,
we can on who's doing what.
Yeah.
We should have a bingo card.
I'll bet you a ship in a bottle.
Ooh, a ship in a bottle.
Oh, that's a cool ship in a bottle.
Those are super cool.
Steve here does some really
fun artwork and stuff and woodwork,
and he's doing these cool
ships in bottles now.
Find one on his website.
This is our ad.
Sponsored by...
sponsored by yeah nine and
three quarters um which
that's something we'll
obviously get into later
but I want to talk about
this new jedi because he is
he's a dork I hate to say
it but this jedi that is
like talking to bro and
like help communicator guy
I just don't see him as a real Jedi.
That was me in middle school.
Just a nerd.
Just a dork.
Did you have the rat tail too?
No, I never have a rat tail.
But he looks like he gets swirlies.
He looks like he gets shoved
in Jedi lockers and things like that.
so um he just he's my least
favorite part of this
season this series right
now and it's everything
about him in this whole
episode from when he's
talking to roe at the
beginning to when he's
trying to predict what
happened with all the jedi
getting killed just
everything everything about
him just screamed at the door though
He had the rat tail.
He's got a ponytail.
I don't think he has the braid,
but I think he is her Padawan.
Her Padawan?
Yeah, she yells at him.
It is a funny relationship
between those two.
But I wholeheartedly agree.
I couldn't stand him.
Did you hear that you
thought he looked like a
guy you wanted to put in a locker?
Me.
It looks like me.
I'm telling you, dude.
That was me.
Still is me.
That's what I'm saying.
I could never be a Jedi.
I don't know.
I just don't like it.
They're showing that he's
hiding something.
Do you think he's hiding something, Steve?
Go on.
What do you think he's hiding?
What?
Not really sure what, but he,
in more than one occasion,
this episode alone, he's like,
you want to go, Master?
You get sick when you space travel.
He's trying to keep her.
He's trying to keep her at home.
And then when they land on Kothor?
No, Khoroth.
Kofar.
Kofar.
Kofar.
Thank you.
Sorry.
Star Wars planets.
he seems to go off on his
own for a second and then
go oh there was a hatching
of this swarm that could be
why there was such a let's
go now he's trying to keep
Master Fernasta away and
it's either he's hiding
something or someone even
higher than her is pulling
a string saying like hey
you keep her out of this
because if she finds something out,
then it's all gone to shit.
I don't know.
Maybe Sol.
Is Mog her actual apprentice, though?
Because this would change my opinion.
You're right.
During that entire play out,
it seems like she's just
trying to teach him lessons
or get his opinion and whatnot.
What happened here?
What do you think happened?
And then she has him digress the scene.
Yeah, I feel like she's training him,
but someone elsewhere is
saying... I don't want to.
I can follow that.
I can totally follow that.
It's very misleading.
Boom.
He's Darth Plagueis.
Stop.
Stop.
Stop it.
Oh, my God.
He's the original body that
they cloned Snoke from.
He's just waiting around in
a tank or somewhere.
I will say,
so my first opinion of him when
he popped up before he
started speaking was that
his name was going to be
Sheev and that he would
have been Palpatine.
That was my first initial
thought because he does kind of look,
in a way, at first,
he kind of looks like a young,
skinny Ian McKellen.
Or not Ian McKellen.
Ian McDermid.
McDermid.
Dylan McDermott.
So at first,
I kind of thought he might
have... But then he started speaking.
And now I'm trying to figure
out if he is actually the apprentice.
Because if he is actually Ro's apprentice,
Venestra's apprentice,
then that would make sense
that he's hiding something
and trying to keep her from going there.
Because he's trying to keep Chimere,
who...
I think is more connected to
her than we all believe as well.
I think that would make
sense if he's trying to
keep her from discovering him.
If he's her apprentice, he said?
If Mog is Vernestra's apprentice.
No, I was trying to find that out.
If he's a full-fledged Jedi,
why is he trying to mislead
her kind of thing?
Because he's been bought and
paid for by someone else.
That's the only way.
But that's what I'm saying
is I don't think he would,
as just a normal Jedi,
just a normal dorky Jedi
that runs the books or whatever,
I don't think he would be
paid by an outside source.
I think the more logical
thing – I need Phil here.
Damn it, Phil,
get in here so you can figure this out.
Look, Sol is being suspicious,
and so is this Mog guy is
being just as suspicious.
Yeah.
If he just tried the one time to keep like,
hey, you get sick in hyperspace,
you should stay here.
I'll go look.
But he tried like two or
three times to keep her
away from the scene.
And to me, that was like,
that's three strikes, pal.
Like, what are you up to?
Yeah.
If someone told me three
times not to go somewhere, I'd be like,
all right, but why?
yeah but so here's let me
explain the first thing um
I did I did a little bit of
I did a little research on
her little sickness that
he's talking about and
that's been very well known
throughout the high
republic series comics that
she gets violently uh she
gets really bad force visit
force visions and it
disorients her like to the
point of being very very sick
And it's happened since the
very early days of when she
was introduced in the High Republic.
So it's very well known by
all the Jedi that she gets
sick and that she does not
like to travel and do any of that.
So he's probably just
looking out for her
well-being because she's
old as dirt as well.
So...
that that isn't that's
explained away pretty
easily um now if again if
if if he was her apprentice
which I don't see that at
all in wikipedia or
anything like that so I i
think he's just a red shirt
that's gonna get mauled and
and it's gonna be the end
of him and that's fine
that's great yeah yeah I love it
I was not a fan.
Yeah, when he brought up the Umbermoth,
he's like,
it was an Umbermoth colony and
that could have killed them.
And she's like, yeah,
sure they could have.
No, like she's very much,
she knows I think what's
going on and he's just
there to tag along.
You know what I mean?
That's kind of where I'm at.
Fill out the spreadsheet.
I place my bet.
You place yours.
We'll find out at the end.
I'm taking a long shot that he's Plagueis.
Oh my god.
Great odds.
I'll give you all the ships
that I've made in the bottle so far.
Justin says Plagueis.
Steve says Mog is evil.
I think he dies.
I don't know if he's evil.
Okay, hiding something, sure.
So there's a really fun
cutscene from Chimera's
place to the forest,
and it's just dead Jackie.
And I know we talked about... Last week,
we talked about them maybe coming back.
I was like, ooh, maybe someone will...
resurrect them or whatever
no no they're they're dead
af for sure um but I'm
really glad that they
decided to bury the bodies
that was kind of an issue
that I was having last week
is what were they going to
do with all the dead bodies
and they buried them justin
you look like you have
something to say yeah I was
surprised that the director
or whoever uh did the scene
knew that jackie was going
to be a fan favorite
Because I think everyone
likes Jackie that is a fan of this show.
Oh, yeah.
On her dead body, open, cold eyes.
You're like, oh, that hurts.
That hurts.
And now, also, we know she did dead.
Like, there's no... Oh, yeah.
Her and Yord.
I kind of liked Yord.
I felt nothing when Yord died.
I felt everything when Jackie died.
I felt nothing.
Heartless.
Sorry.
He was the most annoying.
Is it the second episode
where she kills Master Torben,
or is that still the first episode?
It was the second one, yeah.
When she's being accused,
or when Osha's being accused, and he just,
like, walks down the stairs, I'm like,
dude, what are you...
no like you should have if
you were if you were
following her you should
have been there with like
you should have been
helping her out a little
sooner and have her freak
out and get three
lightsabers shoved in her
face and almost cut in half
be a be a better jedi you idiot yes
What'd you feel about that
whispering stuff going on
when Venestra and Dorkman
were walking through?
The whispering?
Oh, you mean the echoes?
Yeah.
I'm not quite sold on if it's an echo.
Oh, it absolutely is.
Venestra could see the echoes,
and she was just testing
her little dork Padawan or
whatever and seeing what
his thoughts were.
It was just a test for him,
but she knew exactly what was going on.
I'm totally fine with force
echoes those are like when
things of great evil or
tragedy happen in an area
the area becomes yeah and
it's it's the first time is
this the first time we've
seen it in live action live
action for sure I think it
was in rebels for sure and
then it was in a survivor
and now you know and all that
Man,
you know who would know that question?
Jason was doing it.
Phil.
What's up, Phil?
Good evening.
Good evening.
He's just in the press from the run fair.
Phil is hot.
Thank you.
Thank you.
It's all good, Justin.
It's all good.
Yeah, no,
I had full on like Captain Hook kind of.
I love it.
Yeah, see, and that's perfect because,
you know,
the intro to the video says
you're the master of pirates.
So welcome in, Phil.
Thanks for joining us on
this random Sunday.
And thanks for rushing home
from work to be part of this podcast.
I have a question for you.
Is Mog Vernestra's
apprentice or just a dorky Janna?
Honestly, I think he's just a secretary.
It's even worse.
Just a secretary.
Give me my coffee.
I don't think he's her apprentice.
Okay.
So then, yeah,
I really think he's just cannon fodder.
We got all the bases covered on our bets.
Place your bets, Phil.
I'll bet you all your pirate gold.
Steve says Mog is hiding something.
Justin says he's Plagueis.
That Mog is Plagueis?
Oh, that's fun.
No, that's...
that's him and and I just
think he's gonna die in the
end so are you on board
with any of those or do you
have a different theory for him i
I honestly have no theories
about this man so far.
I think he is... I think my
vibe from him was that he
is just part of the Jedi bureaucracy.
That he's just... The fact
that he accused Sol just eats away at me.
And I get that, but at the same time,
I think he was making a
reasonable deduction based
on the information he had.
Yeah,
and he probably just wants to be back
at his secretary desk and
not in that forest anymore
surrounded by giant bugs
that could possibly... He
didn't want to go in in the first place.
Yeah, no, I mean,
he definitely didn't want
to be around giant bugs.
Let's stay out here.
Well, anyway,
let's... I've been playing Gold Divers,
too.
I'm desensitized to giant bugs.
Send me a list.
You should send me your info.
I'll add you and I'll get
back into that game.
I stopped playing it after
they tried to... I joined
the boycott for the PlayStation thing.
Oh, that didn't last.
I'm on PC.
No, that's what I'm saying.
They were going to try and
force all you guys to get PSN accounts,
but then they lost a lot of users.
Anyway, speaking of the bugs,
this is the scene where we
get to finally see the light whip.
Oh...
we didn't get a lot of it
but it was it was pretty
cool it was pretty
satisfying to see a
different style of saber in
uh in the acolyte and it
was you know it's it was
purple and and it cut that
thing right in half and it
was pretty badass justin
what did you think of the
light whip um I've I've
seen it back in comics and
prior to and then uh became
canon in the the high republic I believe
But I thought it was cool
that just the dynamics of the scene.
And I've always wondered how it works,
which we have Phil for, I'm sure.
But it was just and she didn't even look.
I don't think she was like
just behind her back or something.
Yeah, she was good.
She was good with it.
We've seen a couple of
different light whips in an old canon.
We had Lumia,
who was a Sith lady who fought with one.
OK.
And Luke actually developed
a dual wielding lightsaber
fighting style where he had
a short bladed shoto
lightsaber that was like the
katana wakizashi kind of
pair to help counter her um
and then uh king fisto
actually in one of the old uh
like attack of the clones
era uh not tie-in novels
had kit fisto going
undercover and pretending
to be um like a rogue agent
uh and he had a like
modified light whip that he
fought with in that book as
well that's cool
That's awesome.
Sorry, this isn't Hunters.
My bad.
I forgot the settings on Twitch.
That's on me.
This is the Acolyte Episode 6.
I'll be playing Hunters tomorrow night.
I've been doing that.
That's good to know, though.
I didn't realize there were
so many quips out there in
the Star Wars universe.
Well, and the thing with those old ones,
though, and yes, the green squid head man,
the those light whips
actually had like a
physical structure to them,
to the whip portion of them
that the blade focused around.
where Master Vernestra Rowe
seems to have one that is
just fully blade, like, just fully, like,
lightsaber blade without
any kind of structure to carry.
Like, there was a core that, like,
went out with it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The...
The ones that Kit Fisto and
Lumia used would actually be like a whip.
Like a full metallic kind of thread whip.
Interesting.
It also looks like Master
Vanessa's lightsaber whip
could just be a lightsaber
if she wanted it to.
Yeah.
She could just sword fight
if she wanted to.
But she chose to
long-range attack that yeah
yeah apparently when she
when she dies it'll
everyone will forget it
ever existed I'm really
excited to see it used in
like a battle though for
yeah no I i cannot wait to
see more of it in action
are we gonna get one though
oh I we're gonna flashback
scene is gonna be something
yeah there are things that
we're about to talk about here flashback
no but they'll we'll get
there hang on just just
give it a second um I don't
have anything else to say
about about vernestra's story with
Mog.
So I feel like we should... Oh, no,
I'm sorry.
I do have one more thing.
Mog does say, was it Master Sol?
And she goes, probably not.
And then he goes, well, who was it?
Blah, blah, blah.
And Vernestro responds with
something to tip the scales.
She knows something.
Which is also something that I believe...
kymere has said in the past
something to tip the scales
so there is some sort of
relation there between
those two and we're going
to get into it in part one
of this discussion actually
because we we just talked
about part three and now I
want to go back to part two
Which is the soul and May story in this.
Because it wasn't a lot.
We also had Pip and that otter.
Basil.
Basil was a little obnoxious in this one.
Yeah,
he just kind of irritated me in this one.
He knew it was May.
He tried to fight her.
He looked like a dog humping her leg,
but he tried to fight her.
That's what I'm saying.
He knew he couldn't do anything,
and he just ran into the tubes anyway,
like the shaft.
So he just seemed, I don't know,
a little pointless.
But I want to start off with
Saul was like the best in this.
He's by hands down the best
actor in this entire show, Lee Jung-jae.
Just this opening scene
where he's calling the Jedi
and saying there's been
a... And then he quivers.
The whole quiver in his
entire face was so powerful
when he says my entire team is dead.
You really believed him that
he was upset and sad.
Whereas you didn't really
believe Mog when he was
giving his description of
how all those Jedi died.
Because he was very unbelievable.
And...
Saul, on the other hand,
was perfect in this, I think.
And he's been my favorite actor.
He was a little intense with
May at the beginning.
Do you think that he knew it
was her right there?
Do you think he knew
immediately that that was May?
Or was he still going
through his... Which I
loved your explanation last week, Justin,
of the PTSD thing.
Do you think he was still
kind of going through that?
Or do you think he knew, Justin?
No.
For some reason,
I have a question about that.
Or actually not a question,
but I feel like Basil told.
well not directly like he
hinted at it like something
about basil's reaction to
her like clued him in yeah
well that was that was at
the end of this storyline
I'm talking about the very
beginning when soul
embraces may as hard as he
does and like grabs her
when she walks in and says
he's in distress he he just
lost an entire team of
jedis and his friends possibly like
His adrenaline is pumping and surging.
So he's in tunnel vision mode.
And he says that his past
apprentice survived.
So I think he's a little
delusioned at the time.
Okay.
I mean, she did have a knife.
She had pulled a knife and was like there.
And you would think that her
Jedi soul would feel intentions, right?
or am I wrong there steve
what do you think I think
later on he was asking her
or describing pip to her
and something about her
reaction to that tip the
scales and gave it gave her
gave her away yeah yeah I
think osha would have
actually like to talk about
him a little bit more like
or you know it when when uh it's my
one-timer, but I think he used that to
I don't think he intended to,
but he was talking about it,
and then she had her kind
of cold reaction to Pip.
Like, he's all right now.
And that clued him in to, like, no,
that's May.
May doesn't care.
I mean, my notes here,
before I introduce your
Sarlacc killer scene, Steve,
says this otter is kind of stupid,
going back to Basil and stuff,
because this scene... Leave Basil alone.
Like...
um this this is basically
the scene where he figures
out that it's may and then
he runs runs away to tell
soul and so in the time
that he's in the in the
tubes or the pipes or
whatever um anyway your
scene comes in at the 16
minute and six second mark
where she's getting sprayed
is that by the pip droid
that's what we're just talking about
And then Basil, like Justin said,
runs in and tries to hump
her leg and then stomps on
her foot and does a bunch of things.
Why did you pick this scene
in particular as your
Starlight Killer scene, Steve?
I was just really going off of... Well,
I chose the Pip line as my
one-chimer later on.
And just... Something about
this new age of Star Wars
that all the droids seem to
have more personality than the people...
And I wish we could have a
balance of that.
But Pip is just so funny to me.
And the fact that even he, a droid,
knows that's not Osha.
And then the best he could
do with his tiny little body was,
I got an oil slick.
And he just hit her in the eye.
And then her reaction is just, what?
That made me laugh.
I would also say you can
kind of see that she's not
the one who grew up working
as a mechanic.
Yeah.
Just based on her reaction.
Yeah, no doubt.
I'm so glad you picked that shot.
Boom!
Money shot!
Oh, jeez.
There was a lot of innuendo
in this episode in particular.
There really was.
It was kind of hilarious.
But it is a really funny shot.
And it was kind of comical
to see the otter try and do
anything to Mae because it
could have been like Austin
Powers where he just kicks
Mini-Me across the room and
Mae could have totally done
that to Basil and I think
that would have been
funnier to be honest with you.
I'm mildly disappointed in
the Basil scene just
because I thought he was
trying to pick her pocket.
There's no later on ending
where she tries to pull out
the knife and Basil has it.
Or he got pipped back for a few reasons.
Nope, he just ran at her and did nothing.
I was hoping it would be
something and it ended up being nothing.
Maybe it'll be something next episode,
but that's not how TV works.
If you're going to do
something like that in one episode,
you really need to wrap it
up by the end of the
episode that it's in.
The old hop and dump.
Unless you're doing a really long,
drawn-out thing.
Yeah.
Well,
I guess I just want these episodes to
be longer.
Because it feels like some
of these scenes are a little rushed, too.
I mean,
these episodes are only a half hour long.
Just make a movie, Disney.
It's not hard.
It should have been a movie.
It probably would have been cheaper.
I think it would have been
harder to get their ROI.
Yeah, I guess.
Just with reactions to
cinematic releases of things.
But I think the initial
crowd that would have
bought those pre-sale Thursday,
Friday tickets would have
probably gotten their return.
At least.
And then... I mean, it might...
Maybe it would have been
better as a movie so then
people could have seen the
whole story all at once
instead of it being broken up.
And everyone thinking that
Star Wars is being ruined
one way or the other
because the story isn't
finished yet and things
haven't been explained fully, you know?
But that's just me.
Yeah.
This is the second time.
Kenobi should have been a movie too.
I'm sorry.
I think Kenobi would have...
Kenobi would have fared
much better as a movie, I think.
Even if they broke up or
just put the six episodes together,
it would have still only
been two and a half hours
long or something like that.
There's plenty to cut out.
Yeah.
These last two episodes are
going to be 45 minutes,
so that's an hour and a half, which is...
you know so this episode
this if you cut out a bunch
of the nonsense this would
have been a two and a half
hour maybe two hour 45
minute long movie which
isn't too bad right that's
not too bad um I haven't
seen star wars in the
theaters again and that
would have been great yeah
yeah it's coming and we'll get there yeah
I do like this scene with Sol.
First, Jesse says it's nice that Basil,
Pip,
and Sol all had different ways of
knowing it wasn't Osha.
That is very true.
There wasn't
I think Basil might have maybe told him,
but I think Sol kind of
figured out on his own.
If nothing else, I mean, seeing her,
you know.
Right.
That's what I've been
screaming since last week.
The tattoo on her forehead.
It's there.
I forgot about that.
So but but before he like
figures all that stuff out,
he has kind of this coming
to Jesus moment where he's
doubting himself and his
Jedi abilities saying things like,
you know,
why couldn't I sense his and his
intentions?
Phil,
why do you think Sol couldn't see
that Chimera was, you know,
a Sith slash dark Jedi when
I first met him?
Honestly,
I like to think that he's just
running on pure force instinct.
I like to think that he
doesn't have any detectable
enough intention for Saul to pick up on.
That is lent some credence
by Kyler's later
description when he's
talking about his helmet.
Sure.
He kind of just wants to be left alone.
To turn off the dampeners or whatever.
Yeah.
Isolation helmet.
He's going full sensory deprivation,
basically.
That's what I was trying to say.
I don't know what those words were.
He's learned to sensory
deprive himself without the helmet.
yeah or he's because he was
preaching a little bit
about how he just wants to
be left alone and maybe he
just he has no ill will
maybe towards these people
it was all may that wanted
the revenge and so he's
he's like he's just kind of
a tool of that yeah he's
like I just need to he
wants the power of two yeah
Maybe because he doesn't
have as much of a stake in
the game as Mei does,
he was able to kind of
shield himself from Sol and
Yord and all those Jedi.
Yeah.
Also,
I think his goal is something to do
more with Master Rho and her presence.
He's able to keep that tucked in.
I'm sure if she was there,
he would have been a little
more emotional.
And of course,
she probably would have recognized him,
if my theory is correct.
Oh.
yep and we are getting there
I am trying yep and we are
getting there I am trying
yep and we are getting
there I am trying to move a
little bit quickly through
to move a little bit
quickly through to move a
little bit quickly through
part two because part two
and one part two because
part two and one part two
because part two and one
always they intertwine a
little bit always they
intertwine a little bit
always they intertwine a
little bit um um um but I i
do like the idea that but I
i do like the idea that but
I i do like the idea that
that he's just that he's
just that he's just been
under that helmet for so
long that been under that
helmet for so long that
been under that helmet for
so long that he's kind of
adapted to it and like he's
kind of adapted to it and
like he's kind of adapted
to it and like knows how to
shut everything else out
knows how to shut
everything else out knows
how to shut everything else
out nobody cared who I was
till I put on nobody cared
who I was till I put on
nobody cared who I was
The next time we see these two... Sorry.
He started the Bane train.
He did start the Bane train.
There needs to be a clip for that.
Just a little...
the bane train um the very
next scene though we we do
get to soul you know sees
that osha quote unquote
fixed her pip droid says
you found your pip droid um
and this is actually where
steve's one chimer comes in
so we're going to play that
real quick I noticed the
way you take care of him
talk to him love him even
though he's just a machine
Great set of dialogue on that, for sure.
Why did you pick that particular scene,
Steve?
What I talked about before already,
the droid characters seem to be,
to almost have the most soul,
and all the newer Disney-era characters,
as well as that has been
kind of the theme
throughout Star Wars to begin with.
Like, Luke has a connection with R2-D2.
I'd say even Han has a
connection with D3PO,
even though it's more like just
despising each other but the
droids always this very
rare when a droid is just a
droid I mean there's 85
there's chopper they all
have personality they all
have soul and the fact that
in this area it seems to be
in this uh area in this era
there there seems to be a
a lack of that like it so
almost seems surprised that
that someone is caring for
a droid like that and I
just thought it was
interesting you know
because it's it's before
the time that we know but I
yeah I've always enjoyed
that in any story I've
always enjoyed that
dichotomy where it's like
is the machine does the
machine have a soul or does
it not and I've always kind
of landed on does it matter
you know like the replicants
Do they have a soul?
Are they human?
But who cares?
They can love, they can feel.
Cylons, do they have a soul?
We've proven they can love
and they can feel.
It really doesn't matter.
And that goes into the
grander scheme of things of like,
is my God real or is your God real?
And I just don't think it matters.
Small line, big theory.
Well, I think that,
like I said in the synopsis of this,
I think there's a bit of a
switcheroo happening here.
And the fact that May, I mean,
she basically helped fix the PIP drawer.
She factory reset it,
but now she fixed it.
You know what I mean?
It's working again.
And that was kind of her
first look at the light, I think.
I don't see that he fixed it.
I think she killed him.
You think she killed him
because she reset him?
Yeah, I'm sure Osha can get him back.
But I think he had too much
personality to do anything that May said.
So she reset him and he
turned all red and evil.
But I think Osha will be
able to restore him.
But at the same time, I also did think...
that bitch killed him.
That makes more sense for sure.
With this conversation with
Sol and stuff too,
I think that she was kind
of... It seems like she's
getting pulled a little bit
to a different direction.
She's seeing a different side of things.
Exactly.
I think she also realized
that she killed him.
Yeah.
Okay.
She's like, Oh crap.
Like I killed my sister's
best friend instead of,
I didn't just reset his factory settings.
I killed him and I'm sad.
Yeah.
All right.
Dang.
And that also,
that also might be the tell.
That was the tell.
That's fair.
That's fair.
Well, yeah, it was a great, uh,
it's a good scene for the
one Chimer for sure.
I, uh, I also think, uh,
That he might have been
baiting her a little bit with that line.
Even though he's just a machine.
Because I think Osho
probably would have said
something more in defense
of Pip at that point.
I agree.
That he's not just a machine.
He's a partner or something like that.
That makes sense.
Or he's my friend.
Yeah.
That was definitely...
Definitely the tipping point
where he was like,
I'm not sure this is Mae or Osha,
but now I know.
Yeah.
Well, after that,
Sol finally figures out that it is Mae.
It's basically like, you know,
he starts to say that he's
going to explain everything
that happened on Brendock.
He keeps saying that he's
going to explain what
happened on Brendock,
and then it never happens.
So...
Hopefully,
we see that in the next episode.
But then he figures out that it's Mei.
He shoots her with a stun.
And then he ties her to this table.
And then he turns off his transponder.
And he's going to where?
Where is he flying off to now?
And is he going to torture Mei?
Because it seems like he's
about to torture.
No, I know he's not.
just the way that he was
like you know we're you and
I are gonna have a
discussion I was like oh
god that sounds like a
james bond torture scene
like hello mr bond we are
going to discuss the terms
they spit off to the dragon
ball z universe we're gonna
have another episode of
just talking and then after
another episode of just
talking and then and then nothing
And I'm sorry if I'm
insulting any Dragon Ball Z fans,
but that is all I know about the show.
It is talking and talking
and talking and then
bullshit and then nothing.
And I'm sorry.
Maybe there's more.
But I've never seen anything
cool from that show.
It's all good.
Feels like you're muted.
Bye, Steve.
No, I mean,
that sort of thing is
unfortunately common in
storylines where they are
adapting weekly production
of source material and just
get ahead of themselves.
That's fair.
They could have flipped it.
They adapted Super Sentai
every day and it was just
the same action scene over
and over again.
I never watched Dragon Ball Z,
so I have no opinion.
I'm pretty bad with that,
but I think soul is about
to tell me the story of
what happened and that this
next episode is going to be
a flashback and it's going
to be like him telling that
story and it's going to be the real story,
which is sad because may is
going to know the truth and
OSHA is still left in the dark.
Unless Kymer knows something
about Brinrock as well.
Kymer's pretty deceptive.
I know we're going to get to it, but wow.
That closing shot.
See, that's what I'm saying.
May's about to get open to
the light and Osha is now
closed into the darkness.
It seems like they've
flipped a little bit.
That was actually something
I wrote down mid-episode.
I was like,
are we going to get a full flip here?
Oh shit, are we going to see a full flip?
man who knows it's very
possible especially if
there's he put the helmet
on come on I love that he's
curious um but what he said
he says I had 16 years to
think about what I would
tell you so does that mean
that he knows she was alive
the whole time
And what would that do to
Osha if that was the case,
where he kept that hidden from her?
That, oh, she was alive,
but we just kind of left her there.
No, I think that was more metaphorical,
like what I would say to you,
and then he found her alive,
and he has the opportunity.
I think it was more...
I guess that was a line from the soul.
I'm revealing that I knew
you were alive the whole time.
Because if he did,
then he would have kept
track of her and she never
would have wound up with
Chimera unless that was his
plan and he's the evil Sith Lord.
That's Mog.
Y'all said so.
I mean, he went a little bit.
I hope that's one of the episode titles.
Souls.
Hire me, Disney.
No,
it just seems like he had to have done
something so shady.
That's funny.
The backslash, too.
I love it.
But just the more that you
hear what he's saying,
it just seems like
something really shady went down.
And it's, I mean,
it's possible that he knew
that she was alive,
but maybe he knows that
they're a dyad and they're
truly powerful and he kept
them apart because he didn't want them to,
whatever.
Could be something like that.
That could be why the other,
the other four have gone
off and done their own thing.
Like Torben went into his meditation.
Kalnaka went off and to just
be by himself and,
Carrie-Anne Moss is in all
the production stills and
is not in the show, and I'm confused.
She's got a couple episodes.
Sorry to tangent.
But as far as that storyline goes, too,
it was pretty cut and dry.
It was pretty quick.
The meat of this episode was
all about Chimera and Osha.
And this whole...
seduction I would say and
like and like seduction I
would say and like and like
seduction I would say and
like and like you know and
like and like you know and
like and like you know like
like like like real
seduction too like like
this real seduction too
like like this real
seduction too like like
this she's being she's
being she's being seduced
for sure you know I did
some seduced for sure you
know I did some seduced for
sure you know I did some
push-ups after the show I was seduced
I think everybody did, man.
So my first thought about
this opening scene,
they open up down on the
island or whatever.
I was like, oh, is that Ahch-To?
They have these cute little animals.
But it was confirmed by
Leslie Hedlund that it's not Ahch-To,
that it's an unknown planet.
So you guys have it.
Is it the version of Ahch-To?
Well, maybe.
Phil,
do you have any theories of what this
planet could be?
Um, as far as an actual location?
No.
Like, as far as, like, tying it to, like,
a canon,
a previously established canon location?
No.
I specifically, like,
wrote a timestamp and wrote, not porgs!
No.
So.
Yeah.
They're a little, like, rats, though.
Yeah, they are weird little, like,
elephants.
Elephants.
I thought they were cute.
They were fun.
Elephants.
Justin,
do you have any theories of what
this planet could be?
I do, and I think I might know what it is.
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
Are we talking about because
of all the cortosis he has access to?
Just let me have this one, Phil.
No, go ahead.
I got you.
It's just a backwater planet
where he has his isolation, I feel like.
I'm boring with this one.
Okay.
So I just recently drove out
to Colorado and I had an
eight hour trip to, you know,
listen to a lot of things.
And the Darth Plagueis novel
is free on Spotify if you
have the subscription.
So I started listening to it
and I started mentioning
this planet called Bal Demnik.
And Bal Demnik is an ocean
planet adorned with rocky
tropical islands.
And it is located in the
Outer Rim Territories.
And it is actually where
Plagueis killed his master, Tenebris.
Okay.
And it's also where Cortosis is mined.
I dig it.
Oh.
So I think that this planet
is actually a Baldemic,
and that Chimere might end
up being Darth Tenebrous.
And this also could be why
Sol knows where to go,
because he now knows that
this guy's got Kortos' armor.
And it's like, well,
where does Kortos' come from?
Or he read May's mind,
because May's been there, too.
May's been to this planet,
so he could have just read
her mind and knew where to go.
She was too powerful to do that.
Hear me out.
Maybe.
Hear me out.
Chimere is Tenebrous.
That's what I just said.
Yeah.
No,
I thought you said that Chimera was
Plagueis.
No, Chimera is Tenebrous.
Okay, no, no, no.
Then, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Plagueis will be who he
actually... No.
Oh, my God.
Stop it.
No.
Plagueis will be who
Tenebrous finds by the end
of this series or season or whatever.
And then...
If they decide to go that route.
Because technically none of
that stuff is canonized.
The Darth Plagueis novel isn't canonized.
But the planet kind of seems
pretty similar.
Pirates, we canonize stuff all the time.
But if they are pulling from
that novel and using that planet,
it would be very
interesting if he comes out and says,
well, my name's not really Chimera.
Or if Vernestra shows up and goes,
what are you doing here, Tenebris?
How cool is that?
He wouldn't still be doing
the Spike Spiegel thing.
I'm going to go by the same
name that I used when I was
killing for the mob.
I had theories when I saw
the island and I thought, you know,
there's Jedha and there's
Malachor and then there was Ahch-To.
Maybe this is the parallel to Ahch-To.
It's an island that has Sith
energy and that's just where he went to.
But at the same time,
why would you go somewhere?
he's rebuilding his helmet
for one and he's rebuilding
his helmet for one and he's
rebuilding his helmet for
one and they're in his
little layer his cave
they're in his little layer
his cave they're in his
little layer his cave or
whatever there are cortosis
veins or whatever there are
cortosis veins or whatever
there are cortosis veins on
the walls on the walls on
the walls like there are
little veins on the like
there are little veins on
the like there are little
veins on the walls of
cortosis walls of cortosis
walls of cortosis that and
so like he's mining that
that and so like he's
mining that that and so
like he's mining that stuff
and rebuilding his helmet
when stuff and rebuilding
his helmet when stuff and
rebuilding his helmet when
as needed you know what I
mean as needed you know what I mean
i got a question phil
probably has the answer is
is cortosis mined on one
planet or in very stone
very few planets yeah it's
there's not a whole lot
it's it's supposed to be uh
at least as uncommon if not
more stuff more uncommon than best car
And I believe in the
original... In that
original anime Clone Wars series,
I think it was that one,
they had a battle on a system.
Was it Baldemnic?
Well, that's not canonized either,
but it was for Cortosis, I believe.
The battle was there,
and they were trying to get
a Cortosis supply.
Because it's basically the primary...
like when you know you can
find stuff somewhere but
you could find it way more
readily in another place
where are you going to
focus yeah um but I i
really like that connection
and I find it ironic that
the dar's plague novel is
free this month on spot
could very be very interesting
I had one more answer to
your original question, Josh, about the,
like, what am I thinking of the series?
And just one thing that was missing for me,
I know that Tortosis has
been established in other canon,
and when I saw it initially
used on the show, I didn't think, like,
oh, they've never used that before,
what the hell is this new magic?
It was like, okay, something new and cool,
and then I looked it up.
It would have just been a
little bit more of a full circle,
if instead of
In the beginning,
when Jedi Master Carrie Ann
Moss is murdered, and they say, hey,
the killer is Osha,
Sol shouldn't have been at
the Jedi Academy teaching.
Sol should have been in the
middle of on the trail of
an investigation.
There's been a lot of
cortosis popping up around the galaxy.
People are using that to
combat our lightsabers.
It's been a weird influx of it,
more than I've ever seen in time.
And they go, oh, hey,
we need to pull you off of
this and come take care of
your old Padawan.
That would have just been a nice,
smooth little thing for me.
Then when Chimera shows up, it's like, oh,
well, you're the reason
Kortosis is kind of out and
about because you're
probably using it to trade
to gain resources and
knowledge and build a
little bit of power.
They didn't even know that
Kortosis was involved until
they all got killed.
That's what I'm saying.
The fact that it was brought
in so abruptly,
and if you're a diehard fan,
you guys are a little bit
more diehard with me on the outer canon.
or I had no idea what cortosis was.
I accepted it.
It was fine to see like, oh, hey,
what's going on with the lightsabers?
Like he's breaking them and
they're coming back on.
I had to go look it up afterwards.
Just a little thing at the beginning.
Like, hey,
this metal that shorts out lightsabers
is on the rise.
That would have been a
little... And then we don't
talk about it again until
Chimera shows up.
I think that would have
given away too much to the diehard fans.
I think if you would have
mentioned anything about
Cortosis at any point in
time before they actually fought Chimera,
people would have been like, oh, pfft.
They'd start putting that shit together.
You know what I mean?
Start being like, oh,
he's probably Tenegris,
he's probably Plagueis, blah, blah, blah.
But I think it was good to wait until now.
I don't know.
To me,
it seems like that would have... I
don't know.
It sounded like Steve wanted
that little tidbit to feed
into the mystery, right?
Yeah,
but Star Wars is not a police procedural,
so... Yeah, I don't know.
Oh, please!
It's totally a police procedural.
Everything that happened in
the beginning was a fucking
police procedural.
The only thing that was not
a police procedural about it was like,
hey, we're going to go arrest this girl.
Let's bring the witness
halfway across the galaxy
and bring them onto the
ship and they can encounter each other.
Yeah, that's how police procedural works.
Well,
this is the very beginning of this as
we're flying into this
unknown planet is where
Phil has his Sarlacc killer scene.
It's at the three minute and
seven second mark.
And it's basically the
introduction of this planet to OSHA.
Why did you pick this scene, Phil?
Well, again,
love establishing landscape shots,
but I really actually liked
the parallels with this and
the octo scenes that we
have in the sequel trilogy with Ray.
And it was just kind of that that parallel,
especially, you know,
later we see that Khmer has
this ship right there.
But he's like, nah,
you'll probably have to
swim to it kind of thing.
I knew someone else would pick it.
Oh, yeah.
But yeah, no, I like one.
We're seeing safety fencing,
which guess what?
Octo doesn't have.
Yeah, that's true.
So it's very clearly, you know,
a more permanently
established kind of location,
or at least was at one other point.
Maybe he's plunked her down
in the middle of a cortosis mine.
But I just really liked the
way this was lit,
the way that she was lit on the show,
the way that everything was framed.
It's just a good bit.
Sorry about that.
No, it's all right.
I kept getting these
notifications on Discord.
I had to shut that thing off.
All I saw was when she
walked out of that cabin,
I saw the dick rock from Helldiver 2.
They got to start paying me some respect.
I'm going to keep mentioning it.
It is an excellent pick, though,
for your Starlight Killer scene.
And you are a big fan of those shots.
Those little not porgs,
they look like they're baby
versions of the thing that
Luke is poking on Octoo.
Oh my god, I didn't even think about that.
So it could be just a
similar species in a similar climate,
or it's Ahch-To just a
thousand years earlier and
they've evolved.
That one, that little family,
the baby one of that family
is the one that Luke milks
later on in the series.
Sorry,
is this a hundred years before or a
thousand years before?
it's 100.
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jesse said that's actually
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Okay,
so we're going to basically go from
one Phil segment to the
other Phil segment because, boy,
do we have to talk about
Darth Riz over here.
And Phil's one-chimer comes
in pretty much right when
we get to see Darth Riz.
So here we go.
Stay where you are.
You're not going to join me
I'd like to put my clothes back on.
Seductive.
Seductive,
but also kind of layered meaning.
If you're not going to join me,
either here in the water or
as my apprentice,
then I'd rather not have to
do the rest of this naked.
I was actually trying to be
naked in between when the
screen went black to the
thing I was going to come back,
but I was like,
I don't think I can compete.
Suddenly shirtless Steve.
12 seconds.
I guess you could probably do it.
I don't think I could do it.
Yeah, he was something.
If you've got Manny Jacinto on your cast,
show him off.
Clearly.
He just doesn't give a shit right here.
He's like, what are you going to do?
Yeah, that's the thing.
He's just so...
He's so confident.
He's so blasé about the whole thing.
It's amazing.
Yeah,
and viewed him more like a human than
a Sith killer.
Yeah.
It definitely humanizes him a lot more.
Yeah.
One point of interest that
Osha has after he comes out
of the water is not only his bits,
but his scar on his back,
because she sees his giant scar.
And she...
asks well she kind of
notices that and asks about
it later but then the first
thing she asks him is did
you kill Sol and then did
you kill Mei and he brings
up it's interesting that
you ask about him first and
I think this is the area
right now where he's
starting to break down her
wall and starting to get
her interested in what he
has to say first of all
he's a sexy man so like
she's already interested in
what he has to offer and
Now,
now she's just listening to the pitch
and he kind of starts his
pitch off in a really,
really good way to kind of confuse her.
You know, it's like, oh, wait,
why did I ask about him first?
May's my sister.
so he's being a little naked
that's how I start every
pitch I ever do is it oh
I'm sorry when he was
talking sorry when he was
talking about the other
thing no I don't I don't do
that see I i thought it was
a beautiful dialogue for uh
a sith to be poking at her
fear and then to be
sparking that to you know
later on we see her him
provoking her anger and furthermore
But it was cool to see that
pathway of the dark side,
fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate,
all that.
Mm-hmm.
Well,
hopefully he doesn't have a lot of
suffering.
yeah yeah that's funny I
think he he started really
well here because like I
said he got her intrigued
and so now she's listening
to all of these different
things like you said um he
he asked him asked that
question about why'd you
ask saul and then justin
you mentioned that he talks
about anger and fear later
and um he's really just
chiseling her down and it
starts all right here with
uh with naked manny
Let me see.
You noticed she didn't
ignite the lightsaber when you walked up.
No, would you?
I thought she was going to
do it by accident.
Oh, jeez.
Just all sweaty, like, oh, shit.
Dropped it.
I see.
Your Schwartz is as big as mine.
See if you can handle it.
All of the dialogue between
these two is really, really awesome.
It's really interesting and
captivating in a way that I'm like,
oh man, I would like to know more.
Just his mention of he was a
Jedi a really long time ago.
No, like a really long time ago.
It kind of makes you think
about the fact that he
could be Darth Tenebrous,
where maybe he did find out how to...
get his life to extend a
little bit more because
that was what Tenebris and
Plagueis were working on in
those original books was
finding the key to eternal life,
basically.
So maybe he does have...
He's so good at the... He's
projecting an image all the time.
When he's not under the mask,
he's projecting an image of
youth when he's actually a little older.
I've heard that theory.
Yeah, what do you think...
There you go.
Justin, what do you think?
Do you think he's like way,
way older or do you think
he's just kind of leading her on?
He's just leading her on.
He's fucking with her.
But I think it's going to
tie into one of the
theories that Steve was
going to bring up.
And I think it's just a lead
way into him being someone's apprentice.
And I think that's Master Rho, for sure.
Because that scar on his back,
that is definitely a whip scar.
I thought the very same thing.
Yes.
A lightsaber whip.
Which we put together once
we actually see the whip in
action later in the episode.
And the reason why they
didn't show the whip for no reason.
Yeah,
if you put the whip side by side with
the scar, I should have done that meme.
But if you put it side by
side when she's hitting the
bug... The way she hits the loom,
the umbra moth, yeah.
Yeah, it makes the same shape as the scar.
You said earlier that she's older,
like really old, right?
Much, much older.
100 years.
And so if he was her
apprentice a long time ago,
maybe he ages different
because he's surrounded by
cortosis or whatever.
space magic you want to come
up with or his planet
doesn't revolve around the
sun many times however you
want to well doesn't he
doesn't he mention he got
kicked out of the jedi order
Or whipped out.
But I think he mentioned
that he didn't agree with
them or something,
and so maybe he was looking
into the dark side for
different longevity to make
his life longer.
And that could be why Vernestro was like,
no, this is dark magic.
You shouldn't be messing with this stuff.
Get out of here, you know?
um but I i am very I'm very
curious to see if chimera
because I i right now I
really think that either
chimera was vernestra's
apprentice at some point or
knew her at some point and
they got into some sort of
fight you know what I mean
yeah uh yeah some sort of
disagreement I'm calling
apprentice you're calling apprentice okay
I would probably say Apprentice.
Are we all on the Apprentice train there?
Yeah.
Or are we still on the Bane train?
We could be on the Bane train, I guess.
Time to go mobile!
So back to his seduction.
He does the best job with his seduction.
Offering the food,
giving the pieces of advice
on just the stance.
Humanizing himself.
yeah exactly um but he
starts talking about like
another he starts talking
about another way to wield
the force through emotions
and this is where justin's
one chimer pops in so let's
play that anger fear loss
desire that's the path to the dark side
He's good.
He's really good.
I know.
Why did you pick that scene?
Um...
As we all know,
I love Darth Vader everywhere,
and I'm a Sith.
I've always been attracted
to the bad guys right off the bat.
And this just seemed to
justify myself to the world.
Like, oh, why do you like the bad guys?
Because they're fucking sweet.
but like he he's like he's
just explaining that there
these details are minute it
doesn't matter as long as
you can access the force at
least that's my
interpretation of the scene
yeah um I think the way
that he says semantics he's also
This is why I think he got
kicked out of the Jedi Order,
because he started using
those emotions to be more
powerful in the Force.
And the Jedi started to
realize that he was turning
to the dark side,
and so they got rid of him.
Good connection.
Because he's like, yeah, whatever.
It could be the dark side,
but I'm just using the Force, dude.
Whatever.
Leave me alone.
I think he's the first.
We've seen the theory of Grey Jedi.
We're seeing our first Grey Sith.
Grey Jedi tend to lean light ways.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like now there's four
different versions of Jedi?
Yeah.
Like you got light side,
kind of light side, kind of dark side.
Dark side?
Is that what?
It's a spectrum, man.
Huh.
It is.
It is a spectrum.
I'm not going to make
another Fifty Shades of Grey joke.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
I mean, there is a whip involved.
Oh, man.
I said I wouldn't.
I didn't say Phil wouldn't.
Fifty Shades of Grey Jedi.
Kinky.
Like I said,
this guy is good at what he's doing.
And he continues this as
they're on the cliffside.
And he starts asking Osho
why she's not a Jedi anymore.
And she kind of loses it a
little bit and kind of
embraces and falls to what he's playing,
which...
which is my starlight killer
scene at the 20 minute and
one second mark when he's
holding she's holding him
up against the rock and
he's looking all sexy like
yeah just do it just do it
um but this is really where
she starts to turn and she
really starts thinking like
oh my god maybe I was doing
it wrong the whole time I
probably should probably
should listen more to this guy and
Just his composure here as
she's holding him up and
he's holding her arm and
just standing still but
continuing to spew his hateful words.
Now, they're not hateful,
but he's definitely
manipulating her in this
scene as much as he possibly can.
And I just love it.
I love the hold up, you know, the...
i will cut your effing head
off kind of thing so um I
thought it was even it had
more meaning because uh if
you think about it the
prentice of sith always
tries to kill the master
yeah and that's just
looking the bear getting
her warmed up and primed
Right, just like Palpatine did with Vader.
Vader tries to kill the
Emperor multiple times.
Yeah, Palpatine did.
According to the Darth Plagueis book,
Palpatine killed Plagueis.
There's a pattern there
where the apprentice kills the master,
takes over, gets a new apprentice,
and then expects that
apprentice to kill them.
That's kind of like how Sith have run.
Strike me down,
and the Dark Side will be complete.
Correct.
And that was kind of
where... I think he notices
that Osha's maybe a little
bit more powerful.
He's like, you don't want revenge.
You want to actually...
have this power and you want to learn it.
So again, this is just,
this is where she's starting to fall.
He like, and,
and he said even that he made
a mistake with me because
of that revenge aspect that
he should have, you know,
maybe not gone after her
and trained her because she
had too much revenge.
He, he wants the power of two.
Do you think he's connected
to the witches somehow
after he says that line, Phil?
We may just be seeing common phrases,
like similarities,
not necessarily a direct connection.
But I also think that right
now we're building too
strongly in the direction
of a connection between...
mother anisea and her order
and everything that chimera
is um okay I think there's
I think we're seeing enough
commonalities that they
need to build a actual like
connection between them in
the story um yeah that's
fair justin go on
I was wondering if this was
a reference to the rule of
two for the Sith,
like a master and apprentice, no more,
no less, or the power of two,
like the power of one, power of two,
or of many.
Power of many.
And again, I think there's some similar,
again, like some kind of...
single source maybe way back
that both of these paths
diverged from that we're
you know seeing kind of the
common ancestry to both of
those orders okay like the
witches are the real gray
gray force users like
they're they're the the one
in the very very middle
that real gray not just
kind of dark or kind of
light so we have red red
gray gray gray gray blue
gray or blue yeah
there's five sure yeah
there's 40 45 more shades
to go buddy I bet I bet we
can figure that out um gosh
we're getting kind of to
the end here after after
that little discussion um
we already talked about the
cortosis thing he did I
loved the explanation of
that um how we you know we
kind of got our official
explanation and people
could stop uh theorizing about it
um we talked about the scar
um I really think that was
for nestro's doing um but I
like I was saying earlier
this has been some of the
best dialogue in the entire
series and especially this
dialogue between osha and
chimer um justin's one
chimer was these two and my
one chimer is actually
these two so I am going to
play mine real quick it
blocks out all your senses
So it's just you and the
force and what you bring with you.
Try it on.
I don't trust you.
Nor should you,
but you should learn to trust yourself.
So that was a really long
scene that I kind of cut up
because it does really kind
of draw that out.
But I, again,
he's just seducing her even more.
Go ahead.
Try it on.
See what happens.
It's actually pretty cool, you know,
if you're a killer.
Yeah.
He's also going into one of
the classic civility for
the devil kind of
characters where it takes supernatural,
for instance.
I'm Lucifer.
Sam, I may be the devil,
but I never lied to you,
and I never will.
I don't trust you,
nor should I. I'm a Sith.
He's very...
He's honest, and to me,
that's always been a fun correlation.
I'm dishonest.
You're the joker.
You can trust me to be dishonest.
You're the joker.
It's the honest one.
Yeah.
You're the joker.
You kill people.
Yeah,
but I didn't take their kids' college
funds.
I'm crazy enough to do it as Batman,
but not the IRS.
There's a new Batman series
coming out that looks awesome,
by the way.
It's like an original
animated Batman series.
It's got a new voice.
It's not Kevin Conroy anymore,
but he sounds like he's
going to be pretty good.
I would be impressed if it
were still Kevin Conroy,
considering he's dead.
Please tell me how it will
be Kevin Conroy.
Yeah,
unless they did some sort of AI stuff.
No.
Yeah.
And so the final scene,
as we're talking about this
cortosis helmet, is actually Justin's.
I believe it was Justin's
Starlight Killer scene.
I didn't know exactly which one you wanted,
so I picked up two of them.
One of them was all dark
with the Iron Man slits,
or the other one was Smilo Ren.
So either way, Osha put on the helmet.
I think we can all agree
this was the coolest scene
and left it on a cliffhanger.
And what is going to happen?
But she looks so cool in the smiley mask.
It looks like they put in a
cheat code for big head mode.
Practically.
But the inner shot is the
one I actually wanted.
Oh, the inner one?
Okay, here, I'll go back there.
The small outlook,
and then everything is dark.
Signifying her,
like maybe she's going to the dark side,
which she is.
But I was so excited for that.
And it also has her
breathing kind of like Vader,
so I'm sure that also
tickled your fancy a little bit.
Of course.
Yeah,
that was a pretty cool little scene
for sure.
Very reminiscent of Iron Man
and stuff like that,
but it was really cool.
I have a story about that.
I'm going off what he said
about the helmet.
Oh, go ahead.
No, no, you first.
Go ahead, Phil.
Are we to believe that he...
really that he doesn't see
either like it dampens all
his senses it's just him in
the force he's seeing
through the force because
those I don't know how you
could fight that well with
those little lists you know
I'm sure that's exactly
what it is yeah okay it's
he's using I find that very
interesting I want I want
to see more of that imagine
what he does when he can
actually see too like I
mean he's I know he's pretty good
You saw him do that explosion,
or what the mock calls an explosion,
which wasn't.
That was just him using the Force.
Yeah, kicking up the dust everywhere.
Strong.
Yeah.
Storytime for you?
Yeah.
So the first time I watched this,
when I hit that scene,
I paused it at that shot
because I was trying to get
a timestamp for it.
No, no.
You claimed it first.
It's all good.
But when I saw that scene
and then I restarted it,
my audio had apparently
muted and I hadn't noticed it.
And so it went from that
into the credits completely silent.
Oh, and it was just this moment of,
I'm sitting here thinking they made some,
that it's completely bold,
intentional choice with the
credits there with like
going totally silent.
I was like, Oh,
This is the coolest thing
Star Wars has done.
And I was honestly a little
disappointed when I went
back and realized that the
audio had just gotten muted
and that there actually was music.
The score was still going.
All right, I guess.
Some fans are better at Star
Wars than Star Wars.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah.
It was an excellent shot, though,
and I did really like that pick.
See,
I always let you guys pick yours first
so then I can pick up the
scraps because I always
will pick something that
someone else picks.
Josh built this podcast in a
cave with a box of scraps!
Fuck the scraps!
So my last thing that I
have... My wife asked me
the other day who Jeff
Bridges was in Marvel.
She was like, Jeff Bridges was in Marvel?
And I went,
Tony Stark built this in a cave!
With a box of scraps!
With a box of scraps!
I waited like a solid 30
seconds before I finished the line.
What are you doing?
And then there was a dramatic... Pause.
I love it.
Tissue.
The last thing I had for
this show before we do the
ratings is the top
questions that we need answered.
Now,
correct me if I'm wrong or throw out
your top questions if I missed them.
But my number one question
is what the hell happened on Brandock?
The next question is,
where did the stranger come
from and is Chimera his real name?
Also,
is the stranger the master or the
apprentice?
Because wasn't Starkiller
kind of Vader's acolyte in a way?
And those are my two questions.
Or, sorry, three, yeah.
And then the one we asked before was,
is Chimere the former
apprentice of... Vernestra Rowe.
Vernestra, yeah.
Did I miss anything?
Do you guys have any other questions?
I consider that one's answered.
I don't think that's going
to be... With the whole whip discussion,
yeah.
Okay.
I mean, we'll get confirmation.
But, you know...
I'm 99% with that one.
I'm good.
Let's move on to the other questions.
That's fair.
All right.
Well, I...
Oh, my God.
No, he's... I'm telling you, dude.
I had to ring up one more time.
How dare you?
Well, let's move on to our last segment.
Thank you guys for
participating in the two
segments that we had.
I liked the way we did it
this time a little
sporadically and kind of
all talked about it.
I might continue to do that.
But we will always have the bumper for...
the Tuscan Raider,
the part of the show where
we rate each episode,
and this week we're going
to rate it out of 10 Riz.
How much Riz does this
episode have out of 10?
Let's start with Steve.
What would you rate this
episode out of 10?
Let's see.
I like especially the fact
that I think normally
people would call this a
filler episode because
there's no action and
That's usually what people go for.
It's like, oh, it's slow.
It's filler.
I don't think this is filler at all.
This definitely moves the story forward.
It's not a 10.
It's not even a 9.
I'm going to give it an 8.75.
8.75.
That's a good joke.
That's a good joke.
Phil, what would you rate this episode?
I'm going to give it a solid 8.5.
I think we get to see a lot.
We get a decent amount of reveal.
We get some back and forth
with the whole side story
there with Saul and May.
Yeah.
I still think there's room
for this series to pull off
a 10 out of 10.
I do not think it's done it yet.
I would agree.
Justin, what would you rate this episode?
I agree with Phil.
It answered a lot of questions.
It makes me ask more.
But the true fun thing was
to witness this seduction
to the dark side because I
was along for the ride.
I'm just as tempted as Osha was or is.
So I give it an 8.5 Riz.
All right.
And I'm actually going to be
on that same boat.
I'm giving it an eight for
all the same reasons that
you guys are giving it.
I kind of started with a seven at first,
but I don't know, man.
Just Darth Riz himself was pretty awesome.
And his whole personality just is great.
Yeah.
um so I think that gives us
an average his yes
absolutely but that
definitely gives us an
average of with your eight
and three quarters or
whatever that gives us an
average of eight and a half
or something so um pretty
pretty good on our end I
think I think we're all
enjoying this series so far
um and I think I think
we're all excited to see
what happens at the very
end so oh all my scores
from this day forward are
gonna be a three-quarter thing so
Oh, that's fair.
So let's get into that real quick.
Why don't you tell the
listeners why you are now
nine and three quarters and
then where they can find you?
I guess you just showed them
with your hand.
Steve lost his finger.
I lost a piece of my finger
a little while ago.
Doing what I love.
It wasn't as simple as I, you know,
I didn't just saw it off.
I got caught in a machine.
But I was making stuff.
But I make stuff like this.
It would have been cooler if
you saw it off.
Yeah.
I'm just committed to the cause.
Like you got stuck in a
really bad Chinese finger trap.
And you had to cut your
finger off because it was
stuck in the finger trap, you know?
That would have been way cooler.
Yeah.
I'm going to order that.
I hope you know.
Those are the things that
Steve makes over there.
I've got an X-Wing now, too.
Let's get some.
Four or five of them.
Oh, I love that junk.
That's my favorite chip.
yeah yeah um very nice
listening can go check out
the video and probably
follow me on tick tock to
see the clips of this
episode where steve is
showing the awesome artwork
that he makes and sells
where can we find your
artwork on the internets
It's my Etsy page,
etsy.com slash shop slash
Sincera Carpentry.
I probably won't change that
one to nine and three
quarters just because the
website's been on forever.
But going forward,
it's going to be nine and
three quarters blue working by Sincera.
And I think that rebrand is
just going to really steer
into overcoming the little
mini trauma that I went through.
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, that's a lot.
That's a lot.
And for those of you wondering,
if you want to know more about that story,
I actually have an episode with Steve.
You can go back in this catalog,
the Twist My Own catalog,
and you can find the
interview with Steve where
we talk about exactly what
happened to his finger.
It's a really good chat.
So definitely check that out.
The link will be in the show notes below,
and all the other links
that we just discussed will
be located in the show
notes of this episode.
So go click on those.
Go give Steve a follow.
If my audio is terrible,
please just read directly.
Sorry.
I think my other microphone is fried.
I'm sorry.
Oh, no, you're good.
I think it was just fine.
But that is going to be the
end for us this week.
We're going to call it a day.
I think we all have to work
tomorrow and go back to real life.
It is Sunday.
I want to thank you guys all
for coming and hanging out.
We are, of course,
going to do that amazing sign-off.
Before we do that, though, of course,
I have to say thank you to
Jesse and everyone else
that was watching in the
live stream this week.
It was great to hang out with all of you.
Make sure to give us a
follow on all the social medias.
Just search Twist My Arm
Podcast and we'll be the
first ones to pop up.
I worked hard on that.
let's do us a little sign
off and we'll go from there.
So let's see,
let's see how we're going to do this.
We're gonna start with Phil,
go to Steve and then go to Justin.
So for quest me, I have been your host.
I'm Philip K at flip writer.
I'm Steve from Sincero.
I'm Justin.
And of course, my name is Josh.
We're going to talk at you next week.
May the force be with you.
May the Riz be with you.
Thank you.