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Exposure provides a forum for student groups and area non-profits at Michigan State University and the Greater Lansing area. On the show, you'll hear discussions about the groups themselves as well as the relevant issues of today.
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Tessa:The show that lets you know about everything that goes on at the MSU campus that you otherwise might not know about. Tune in every Sunday at 9 AM. I'm your host, Tessa Creusch. Welcome to Exposure. Hello.
Tessa:Hello. And welcome back to Exposure. You are listening to season 14. I'm your host, Tessa Kresch. Today, I'm here with the Michigan State University Knitting Circle, a club for people of all skill levels who wanna join a community of knitters and crocheters.
Tessa:Their weekly meetings are dedicated to taking a break from studying and participating Spartans. Thank you guys so much for joining me today.
Natania:Thank you. Hello.
Tessa:Alright. Could you guys start off by introducing yourselves?
Natania:I can go first. My name is Natania Diminiani. I am a sophomore here at MSU, and I am a digital storytelling major.
WDBM:Hi. I'm Cordelia Rudder. I am a
Emma:junior MSU studying psychology. Hello, everyone. My name is Emma Wilson. I am a 3rd year student here in Michigan State majoring in biochemistry and molecular biology.
Natania:And what's your guys' involvement with the knitting circle? I am just a normal everyday member. I started actually just this year, so I'm a beginner as well. Oh.
Tessa:So yeah. Started in the club or started crocheting slash knitting?
Natania:Both, actually.
Tessa:Oh, that's exciting.
Natania:Yeah. So I just decided at the beginning of this year, so, like, September, October, around then, I was like, I need a new hobby. So I was just like, yeah. Alright. I'll just go to knitting club.
Natania:Sounds fun. Because I never done it before. So, yeah, I learned how to do it, and I joined the club. So yeah.
Tessa:So you joined the club before even learning. Oh, yeah. That's amazing.
WDBM:I started with MSU Knitting Circle around when the organization itself started. I was actually at the first meeting. We met in the, Field Botanical Gardens and chatted about the future of the club, and I've been to almost every meeting since.
Emma:I am actually the vice president of outreach for the MSU Knitting Circle. So I'm on the eboard. Nice to have a little bit of leadership in this club, something that I'm very passionate about. So that means every day, I'm checking up on our emails. I'm also posting on our Instagram, updating about our meetings, and also sending out our weekly reminders as well.
Emma:Awesome.
Tessa:And you just mentioned the beginning of the organization. Could you tell me a little bit about the history of it?
Emma:Yeah. It was actually my roommate, Chloe Pottinger. It was fall 2022, and she came up to me and said, you know what? There's no knitting circle, no, like, knitting club here on campus, and I think that'd be a really good thing to have. And I was like, of course, I'll support you.
Emma:I'll do whatever you want. That sounds like a really cool idea. She's been knitting and crocheting for a very long time and I thought this was also a great opportunity for me to learn as well. So we set out some flyers and we all met up at the Beale Botanical Garden with our first few members. And then from there, it just kinda took off.
Emma:We were meeting weekly inside the MSU library and one of their study rooms because our membership at the beginning was quite small. I would say maybe there was, like, 8 to 10 of us coming weekly. And then we finally became a registered student organization. I think it was January 2023, around there. Yeah.
Emma:That that rings a bell. Yeah. I agree to say that was probably it. And then from there, we were able to kind of branch out. We were able to find some new locations for our club to have weekly because our club, at that point, was getting a little bit bigger.
Emma:We were kind of outgrowing that little room in the library. And then we were also able to take our club to Sparticipation, which was amazing opportunity. We got so many new members
Natania:after that. How I heard about it. Yeah. I went to participation and was like, oh, yeah. That sounds good.
Natania:So, yeah, that's exactly how I heard about it.
Emma:Participation is so effective. It really is. It really is. I was very shocked about how many people who were, you know, interested in our little club that we made.
Tessa:And would you say the majority of people joining the club had prior experience knitting and crocheting or are a lot of people learning?
Emma:I don't know. We have a really good mix of both, which I know like learning something new can be kind of scary. So it was really nice to see, you know, people really wanting to learn something like this. Absolutely.
Tessa:Alright. So we already sort of got into it, but I really do wanna say my icebreaker question. So what is a project that you guys have always wanted to do, but haven't gotten around to quite yet?
Natania:I think I mean, as a beginner, there are millions of projects I haven't gotten around to yet. But I think one thing that I would eventually like to do would be to, like, make a sweater, you know? It's like really classic. My I have a friend who is also in, knitting club, and she is so talented. And she makes sweaters and clothes and all that stuff.
Natania:And, you know, I would just like to make something like that as well. So, yeah, I think a sweater is a pretty attainable and, like, pretty fun goal for myself. So
WDBM:I came into the knitting circle actually, like, never having knitted before. I was mainly a crochet person. And so a little bit earlier this year, I started my 1st knitting project. So that's one thing I really wanna finish that.
Emma:No. I definitely agree. I really wanna make a sweater. I haven't been knitting very much recently. I've kind of been on the crochet side for a little while, so I wanna, like, kind of get back into that.
Emma:So I'm really feeling that my next project should be a cable knit sweater vest. I know cables are really hard to do. That's what my roommate, the president says, but I think with her help, I can make it work.
Natania:Yeah.
Tessa:It sounds like she knows what she's doing. Have you guys ever heard of the sweater curse?
Natania:Yes. Yes. I have. No.
Tessa:Well, I don't know if I'm I'm gonna explain it correctly, but I heard that if you make someone a sweater, particularly in a relationship, the relationship is doomed. Oh my God. You know what?
Natania:I did hear that actually. Yes.
Tessa:And that's held me back personally. So what's something that you've made that you're really proud of? You know,
Natania:I being a knitter, I just a little side note, I tried to dabble in crochet because when I first joined, you know, I hadn't done either. So I was like, oh, I'll just try both. Why not? I was not very good at crochet. Mhmm.
Natania:So that's why I've gone in the knitting direction kinda opposite of you, Emma. And, yeah. So what I made, I mainly just focus on my little granny squares, you know, really simple, really easy, basic stitch, granny granny squares. But what I'm hoping to do with that is eventually make enough granny squares to make, like, a little blanket. Oh.
Natania:I think that may yeah. I think it would be like a cute way to showcase, like, my progress because, like, you know, I have my first granny square and it is awful. It's, you know, it's bad. It's it's rustic, but, you know, I have my most recent one and, like, I'm getting better and better. And so eventually, I hope to make, like, a little blanket out of all these granny squares to kinda showcase my progress.
WDBM:So this is kind of a story. My favorite musical musical is Hadestown. And so and one of the characters in it wears, like, a bright green dress. So I wanted to make myself a somewhat similar, like, springtime dress to wear to see the show. And Oh, that's so cool.
WDBM:Yeah. So I was able to wear it to see the show. I got a lot of compliments, and even some people asked me if I did it on purpose, which I did.
Tessa:You did.
Emma:The product I'm most proud of, it's kind of silly, but I made this balloon dog, this crochet balloon dog. That's so fun. You have to, like, make it in, like, a big long, like, rope, And then you get to the end, once it's all done, you get to like fold it up into like a balloon dog. And it's so cute.
Tessa:How do you think that being part of this organization has impacted your experience at MSU?
Natania:I think definitely it, you know, again, helped me find a new hobby. It gave me something else to do because, you know, it's nice to have a break from work and school and all that stuff, and it's nice to have something to look forward to every week. And so I think it really helped me just kinda relax, like, take time for myself that isn't, like, being on my phone. You know what I mean? And I've actually I've made friends through it.
Natania:Actually, the friends that I was talking about that, you know, makes all the clothes and stuff, I kind of met her through a friend through a friend, you know, but because we were both in knitting club is how we really met and now we're we're very close. I'm really glad I started to go and I hope to continue going like my whole time here at college.
WDBM:Yeah. My first year of college before the Knitting Circle was founded, I wasn't really involved in a lot on campus, but when I discovered the new MSU Knitting Circle and I was able to go every week, I felt so much more connected to the community and the people around me. And I just loved having that to look forward to every week.
Emma:Yeah. I definitely agree with everything everyone said so far. Being part of the knitting circle definitely opened me up to a community that I've never really been part of before. I don't know. I've been really crafty my whole life, but I haven't really been crafty, like, with people in a community.
Emma:So it is so amazing coming in every week and just having conversations with everyone, just talking about, like, what's going on in life, all over being crafty. So I'm so glad that I'm a part of this community, and I hope to remain with it as long as I'm here.
Tessa:What exactly does a meeting look like? I know you guys meet every Wednesday at 6, right? What does it look like?
Natania:I mean, I, from my experience as a new member, you know, I haven't been around for, you know, for very long. Like, I I was never there for, you know, the little libraries, library meetings because funnily enough the very first meeting I went to it was so crowded because we met in Wells Hall in just one of the smaller little classrooms, and it was so busy that they had to divide us into beginners and, like, the people who actually knew what they were doing. So I remember thinking, oh my goodness. This is such a like, I can't believe I hadn't heard of this before's participation because, like, it seems like such a big influential club. So popular.
Natania:Right. And so we stayed in Wells for a couple weeks. And then we moved to Olds, like, one of the lecture halls in Olds Hall. Really big room, really hot, like, all the time. And now we are in oh, goodness.
Natania:Bessie. Bessie. Yeah. So yeah. That's just.
Natania:Oh, and you asked what a meeting looks like. For me, I just go. I bring whatever little granny square project I'm working on for that week, and I just hang out and talk. And, like, it's just fun because, you know, everybody is, like, working in their own little groups or working alone, but we're all together doing it. And it's just a very welcoming environment.
Natania:And, you know, sometimes, like, for holidays and stuff, we'll do, like, special little things. Like, for Christmas, you know, the leaders brought in, like, hot chocolate and stuff, and we watched the Muppets Christmas Carol. And so, yeah, we do, like, fun little things like that. And so a meeting for me specifically, I guess, is I just go, sit with my friends, hang out, and, like, enjoy my time, and it's just it's really great.
Emma:Yeah. After well, we were I would say last year, last academic school year, we ended out, I would say, with a 20 to 25 regular members coming in. We went to participation just to kinda, like, reach out to the community, and we got a whole bunch of people who signed up. We were like, you know, no one's really gonna come to the meeting. You know, we're gonna get we're gonna be fine in our little room in Wells.
Emma:I show up to Wells, and there are people standing out in the hallway. And we're like, oh my gosh. There's so many people. What are we gonna do? So we were like, okay.
Emma:We need to take a deep breath here and just, like, figure this out. So we ended up splitting everyone, like we said before, into those 2 rooms with, like, the experience and those who are beginners. You know, after, like, you know, a few weeks, things things kind of, like, dwindled down. People, like, either are, like, okay. I wanted to attend this other club.
Emma:So, like, I'm not gonna really show up to this one anymore. So I think we got, like, a pretty good standing of people that kind of just, like, fell out and kind of moved on to things that better fit them. But we also retained quite a few new members, which was really nice. So we decided, okay, Wells. We've kind of outgrew Wells at that point, so we're gonna try to do a little something bigger.
Emma:So we're like, okay. Next best would probably be a lecture hall. So we spent last semester in Olds, but we just felt like the lecture style room wasn't really fitting our community. Like, we are really bunch of a circle. Yeah.
Emma:We basically I felt like we were very secluded and it's all about really interacting with each other. So we're like, okay. We gotta figure out something different. So right now, we're in, Bessie and, so for for the foreseeable future, we'll remain in Bessie. I think that's a good fit for us and everything.
Emma:And like mentioned earlier, we just are very chill. You know, you can come for the whole time. You don't have to come for the whole time. You know, you don't have to show up every week. Just like come in whenever you're feeling like it.
Emma:You bring your own project, but we also have like beginner kits and our own little our own little array of different things. If you need something like some yarn or a crochet hook or knitting needles or that you may need, we have a little selection of those that our members can choose from well. And we just come in and just, you know, talk about our weeks, talk about life, sharing what we're all working on. So it's pretty nice.
Tessa:It seems like a very community building activity.
Emma:It is. It really is. You know, working that with your hands and, like, you know, crafting and then also while, you know, talking with other people is like really good for your mental health.
Tessa:Absolutely. And like you said, it's a good relaxing activity that isn't just on your phone. And you're actually producing something which feels really good.
Natania:Right. Exactly. It's good for your it's good for your pride.
WDBM:Yeah.
Natania:It's like, oh, I made that. Like, every time I finished my little granny square, I'm like, yes. Yes. Yes. Another one.
Natania:I did another one. We're one step closer to
Tessa:my little blanket. Yes. The blanket. For someone who might not be familiar, how would you describe the differences between crocheting and knitting?
WDBM:Knitting is with 2 needles and it's a lot more difficult to, if you make a mistake, go back and fix it. Crochet is with one hook, and you're basically making loops within loops, if that makes sense. And if you make a mistake, you can very easily pull out, like, and redo your stitches.
Tessa:Can you achieve different things with the 2 different things?
WDBM:I would say crochet is probably faster than knitting. I mean, I'm not that experienced in knitting, but I've been working on this, the scarf that I've been making for a while, and I'm not very far, but I could probably make a similar project, like a scarf with crochet in a much faster amount of time, but that could also be due to my experience levels in each.
Natania:I mean, again, I'm not very experienced with crochet, but based on experience and this might be wrong, so you might need to edit this part out. But based on just what I've seen, I think it's easier to make little, like, little trinkets. Like, your little balloon dog, I've heard that's easier with crochet rather than knitting. Knitting is better for larger pieces of fabric like maybe sweaters or scarves or stuff like that. And then crochet is good for, you know, if you wanna make little stuffed animals or just other other crafts.
Natania:Again, I'm not super sure.
Emma:No. I agree with that a 100%. Typically, I would say knitting is more for, like, your garments and type. I mean, you can still use crochet for garments, but usually when you go to the store to buy something, it's gonna look knitted.
Natania:Yeah.
WDBM:No. I will say most of the clothes that I made have been crocheted, but that's just because that's what I'm used to.
Tessa:Right. So I know we mentioned that you guys do a lot of community building, but do you do any team bonding outside of crocheting and knitting? Do you do other things as well as the group?
Emma:Well, I we mentioned this a little bit earlier that we like to have some times or, like, at least once a month, some little party or something to, like, bring some people in to make it a little bit special. So we've done different things. Like, we've had, like, a little tea party for Valentine's Day. Aw. It was it was so cute.
Emma:You know, we brought in some tea bags and some little cakes for everyone to enjoy. We've also brought done, like, a hot chocolate type. I think we did did we do something for Halloween?
WDBM:Yeah. You brought in candy for Halloween.
Emma:Oh yeah, we did for HBO. And we watched Snyder.
Natania:Yes, Snyder. And we watched the Nightmare before Christmas. I do remember that.
Tessa:So fun. And for someone who might be interested in joining, but doesn't know how to crochet or knit, how would they learn in in it? I mean, you could speak to that
Natania:for sure. Yeah. I can represent that that demographic, but yeah. So you ask, like, how how would they learn?
Tessa:Yeah. Are people usually teaching each other?
Natania:Oh, yeah. People there are so helpful. Everybody's just so supportive. Like, I swear, like, the first couple times I went, obviously, had no idea what I was doing. I didn't even ask, and people were like, oh, like, do you need help?
Natania:And I was like, yeah. And people just give you little tips and tricks and, like, they're all so, like, kind about it. Like, everybody is so open to helping each other. And so, definitely, the way I learned is, like, you know, we did some demonstrations, like, the first couple weeks while we were in Wells. I I remember the leaders did some demonstrations that I that was were very helpful.
Natania:And then I think independently that inspired me, like, outside of the knitting circle. Like, I would go sit by the river on, like, my days off, and I would just sit there, like, repeating a step over and over and over again. And, you know, obviously, YouTube helps. But if you want that, like, community and, like, human to human interaction to learn something that's more hands on, you know, because, again, like I said, YouTube's great, but it just doesn't offer the same humanity. Absolutely.
Natania:Obviously, as, like, talking to somebody in a community that you belong to. And so, yeah, if you're interested in joining the club, I think that the people at knitting club are very helpful and will help you do whatever you wanna do.
Emma:On that note, we even if you don't have the supplies for it, like, don't worry about it. We have supplies for you. It does come with a little fee for them, but you get, a little ball of yarn and your choice of knitting needles or a crochet hook. And then we have you know, you can either reach out to those general members, or we even have our vice president of training whose job is that when new members come in wanting to learn how to narrow crochet, she's on top of it, showing everyone how to do it. She is absolutely amazing.
Emma:We all love her here.
Natania:And to kinda to kinda add on to that, that the materials they give you, you know, the yarn, the crochet hooks, the knitting needles, all of the materials that I have are from that little beginner kit. So Wow. Thank you. No. Of course.
Natania:It really helps me.
Tessa:How do you keep
Emma:so much yarn? I have heard that it takes up a lot of space. My roommate has just a big drawer that she just has full of all her yarn. She has just, like, scattered all around her knitting needles and crochet hooks, but I can't come I shouldn't say anything because I'm becoming more and more like that with every passing day.
Natania:My friend, she just has, like, boxes. I actually I don't have very many supplies, obviously. Once again, I'm kinda new to this all, but I do have my little tote bag that I have, like, designated knitting tote bag that I use.
Tessa:Knit the tote bag?
Natania:No. That'd be cool, but I did not.
Emma:Future project, maybe?
Natania:Yeah. Yeah. Maybe.
Tessa:Add it on the list after the blanket.
Emma:Oh my gosh. My list of products that I wanna do is so long.
Tessa:I can imagine.
WDBM:I I learned over the pandemic via YouTube, but I just needed a pandemic hobby, and that was the one that came to mind. And I knew that my mom had done crochet. She even crocheted my baby blanket when I was a baby. Oh. Yeah.
WDBM:So I started over the pandemic and then got way more into it after I joined the knitting circle.
Natania:I feel like that was the story for a lot of people. I swear, like, I talked to a couple other people. I was like, oh, I had to get into this pandemic, you know? But a lot of
Tessa:the times You needed something to do.
Natania:Yeah. I know. I shoulda shoulda gotten onto it sooner. I think I spent pandemic on my phone. Right.
Natania:But, yeah, a lot of people actually I've talked to a couple people who it's like a a generational thing almost. Like, it's a family tradition kind of thing. Like, you know, their parents taught them how to knit or crochet and, you know, it's just kinda carried on.
Tessa:So Yeah. I've seen that in a lot of people. Their grandma taught their mom who taught them. How do you learn new projects? Are you typically reading patterns?
Tessa:Do you watch videos?
WDBM:I personally like reading patterns. I'm not the kind of person who likes to, I guess, free ball it. I know there are some people who come to the club who are, like, making their own patterns, maybe even selling them. Like, I that's just not me, but I I like following directions, if that makes sense. So I like doing the patterns.
Emma:No. I 100% agree. I have to have some sort of pattern, some sort of YouTube video. TikTok is a great place to find new projects. Pinterest is a great place to find new projects.
Emma:Yeah. And then I just get the pattern and try to figure it out from there. If I have any questions, I will like bring it to the knitting circle and there will be someone there who like kind of knows what to do and can help me if I have like, something's not going right.
Tessa:Right.
Emma:So it's super helpful having that community behind me. Like, if I somewhere that I'm so lost, I know just wait till Wednesday, just wait till Lending Circle, and then I go get that figured out there.
Tessa:Totally. That's such a good resource because I'm sure it can get confusing trying to like put a pattern, apply a pattern to
Emma:your Definitely.
Tessa:Projects. So you need some assistance from someone who's been doing it because their grandmother taught them when they were a kid or something.
Natania:I guess for me, I haven't really tested the waters beyond my simple little knit stitch, but I hope to. And when I do, I have a friend, another friend, who comes every once in a while and she always has a new book. She just always finds books with patterns in them, and they're fun to look through. Definitely, they're a little intimidating sometimes. But, you know what?
Natania:Eventually, I will venture beyond my simple little granny square knit stitch, and I will definitely be looking at her books.
Tessa:What would you say are some benefits that members gain for being a part of the knitting circle?
Natania:I guess, like, I think we've kinda gone over a lot of the the emotional things, like emotional perks that you get. I mean, like I said, you know, you have a community to go to. You have a community that you belong to of people always willing to help. And, you know, you you can just go and just talk to people, you know. Everybody's here to listen, you know.
Natania:We're all doing our own thing, our own projects, but together. And so emotionally and mental health wise, I think it's just a really great place to go. And then, you know, like Emma was saying, we have little parties sometimes. So if you want fun little snacks and drinks and good stuff, you can definitely go there as well. And, yeah, also, like we mentioned earlier, I think just the pride of, like, making something is a big perk, especially for me, like, as a new member.
Natania:Because, you know, a year ago, I didn't know how to do any of this stuff. And so having that knowledge now is just something that I can think about and go like, oh, wow. Like, I did that. So
WDBM:Yeah. Another thing I'll say is that knitting or crochet can be very solitary hobbies. Right? You don't you can do them and you don't necessarily have to share it with anyone. But with this group, you can share your successes, get advice from other people.
WDBM:You can look at someone else's project and be like, oh, I wanna make that. It makes it into more of a group hobby than just doing it by yourself.
Emma:Totally. I agree with everything everyone has said. I think being part of community is really important, especially in being like a big school like Michigan State. You gotta kinda have to find your little niche, your little, little safe side of campus that you have with people who share, like, same passions as you do. And this fit me very well, and I, like, really hope that it fits a lot of other people too who are looking to join this type of community.
Emma:Everyone is so kind, so welcoming, so inclusive. Just from the get go, I just, like, knew that this was, like, a great place for me.
Tessa:What would you say your most memorable moment of being a part of the organization is?
Emma:I think for me personally, as someone who's part of the e board, part of our outreach, I really, really enjoy being kind of in the little higher up position because I get to help, like, keep advancing the club along and, like, being active in its evolution here at Michigan State. So everything I've got to do with that and all the experiences I've got to have through that type of leadership role has really been really great for me and I think is what has made my time as part of the knitting circle so memorable.
WDBM:I think mine is a little similar, except I haven't had that leadership opportunity. But just being there at that first meeting in the botanical gardens and then going to the library, all of us sitting in that little room together for months, and then finally becoming a a registered student organization and then everybody showing up after participation. Just seeing how far we've come this the past couple years has just been an incredible.
Natania:Yeah. Coming to that first meeting and seeing like, oh, wow. Like, this is a really, like, powerful club. Like, people want to come to this. And I'm like, yeah.
Natania:Like, I wanna be a part of this. And also, I think just, like, you know, making new friends, like, meeting new people, and actually, like, inviting some of my my other friends to come. Like, it's just a fun little place. Like, come do come do your little projects. Come do your thing.
Natania:And being able to network to different people, like, within the club, kind of, like, outside of the club, and then bringing them in. It's just yeah. Just a really, like, fun fun thing to do.
Tessa:So you touched on how much it has evolved since you started. What are your goals for the future of the organization? Okay. I could talk
Emma:a little bit about that. You know, the future is kind of unknown at this point. I'm really hoping that it will still continue even long after I'm gone, but I feel like, hopefully, in my leadership roles, I'm able to help give it a good enough foundation that it can continue. I think it'd be really cool, you know, just, you know, keeping it as it is, having that really commute building that community with new people, having new members come in as we continue it with every academic year. Still going to participation, spring participation.
Emma:Still having those fun little events that we do every month, but I feel like there is still so much room to grow. And something I'm really looking forward to, hopefully, we can still next year. I would love to do, like, little craft days where we kind of are able to introduce our club to new crafts, whether that'd be, like, sewing, embroidery, cross stitching. I think it'll be really fun just to kind of branch out and see what else is out there because a lot of people are new to knitting and crocheting and may not be familiar with other types of crafting or maybe there's people who have only done knitting and crocheting and wanna learn something else.
Natania:Speaking of speaking of those people, I think that would be that would be amazing. Yeah. Because my mom does cross stitch, and it's it's just fun, you know? And I would I would love to branch out. So Yeah.
Natania:As a member, yes.
Emma:Awesome. Awesome. I got one vote.
Tessa:Amazing. Alright. And for anybody who's interested in getting involved, where can they find more information on the knitting circle?
Emma:We do have an Instagram page. I would say that is a great place to, like, go start. We meet every Wednesday from 6 to 7:30 in Bessie, room 10 5 currently. If anything changes, it will be on the Instagram page, but I think that's a great place to start for someone who's looking to join.
Natania:Or if you're like me and you're you're literally starting from square 1, you can definitely go to Sparticipation.
Tessa:And what exactly is the Instagram? Atmsunittingcircle. Amazing. Easy enough. I'll remember that one.
Tessa:Alright. Do you guys have anything else you'd like to add?
Emma:No. Not really, but thank you for having us. This was a really great opportunity and I'm so glad we could, you know, put our club out there for everyone.
Natania:Yeah. Of course. Yes. This is fun.
Tessa:And that's it for our show. Thank you to our station manager, Delaney Rogers, general manager, Jeremy Whiting, and program director, McKenna Lowndes. And as always, thank you to you, our listeners. If you like what you've heard, come back next week. I'm Tessa Kresch.
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