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This podcast is all about the journey. The journey of self-discovery, the journey to reach our highest potential and the journey to understand the nature of reality.
Podcast host Garett Renon is currently studying shipibo style plant medicine and is an apprentice under world renown shipibo curandero and ayahuasquero Ricardo Amaringo. Garett brings a unique perspective and insight into the world of shipibo style plant medicine documenting his year long sama with the powerful master tree ayahuma.
Join Garett on his journey as he discusses: The power and potential of Plant medicine, Human potential, The power of the mind, The nature of consciousness, Supernatural phenomena and much more.
Welcome to the deeper you go, the weirder it gets. I'm your host, Garett Renon. So in this episode, I want to explore something that doesn't get talked about enough, and that is how certain ideologies sound great on the surface, but when you actually push on them, they start to crack. And this is the same idea behind the phrase the road to hell is often paved with good intentions. See, a couple of months ago, I was invited to host a talk about Shapebo style plant medicine, and everything was set until the last minute, and then my talk got canceled.
Garett:And the reason, I didn't fit a certain mold. Now here's where it gets interesting. This organization that canceled me openly preaches inclusion, inclusion at all cost. So this got me thinking, what does inclusion actually mean? And more importantly, who decides who gets included and who doesn't?
Garett:And I want to be clear, this isn't coming from a place of anger, and I'm definitely not playing the victim card. I'm just telling you my story and asking the question, at what point does protecting inclusion start restricting open dialogue? But before we jump into the episode, I want to take a moment to thank you all for being here. As you know, this show runs on your support. And if these conversations resonate with you, a few simple ways to support the show are share it with a friend, subscribe and leave a review.
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Garett:One of my favorite quotes is the road to hell is often paved with good intentions. The reason I like this quote and the reason it is so interesting is because on one hand intentions are extremely important right in order for you to make the world a better place in order for you to improve yourself in order for you to achieve your goals you need to have good intentions And in fact, it's impossible to have good results without good intentions. But this quote is saying that intentions alone are not good enough and that even though you may have the best of intention your actions can still produce negative results and while there are many examples of this I can give you two. One's kind of silly and one's a little more dark. So the silly example is I know a lot of people who love to cook and one of these things that all my friends have in common is they will usually say that they do not like help in the and when someone asks for help they are doing that with the best of intention right they want to be useful but the reason why my friends don't want help it's not because they don't necessarily need it it's because that help actually becomes a hindrance to their process because nine out of 10 times they are cooking in their kitchen and the person who asked for help doesn't know where anything's at and sometimes they don't even know how to cook.
Garett:So they say that when someone asks for help and they in the past when they've accepted this help, they spend more time telling this person what to do, showing them where the knives are, where the forks are, where the cutting boards are and it ends up taking twice as long and it completely breaks up their own rhythm. So while the intentions of someone asking to help are pure and good it actually causes a huge headache for the person running the show. And another example about good intentions paving the road to hell is the old AI thought experiments. See one of the fears of AI is how good intentions could get carried away. For example let's say you tasked AI to clean up the world's pollution, to clean up the oceans, to clean up the lakes, to remove all the plastic, to remove all the sludge, and to help restore nature back to a harmonic balance.
Garett:Beautiful intention right? Because in fact we can all agree that our world is polluted and our world is sick. Now a real scenario that could occur is if you had this all powerful AI and they had all the world's knowledge and all the resources at their disposal to help solve this problem to help clean up the world. What if AI realized well the source of the problem is the humans. They are the cause of all of the pollution and they are the cause of the destruction of the natural habitat.
Garett:So if we remove all the humans problem solved. The world will quickly go back into balance and quickly go back into harmony. Now there are a lot of other examples we could come up with but one other one I want to talk about is the concept of woke ideology. See on the surface the intentions are beautiful it's about diversity and inclusion and equality and fairness and while all those things are good there are certain aspects about this ideology it has become the very thing it swore to defeat. Let me give you an example So I recently got turned down for a talk about Shipibo style medicine by this, it's an online active group, and a few months back, one of my team members reached out to them to schedule an online talk and at first they were all about it and as we were getting closer to the day of the talk, my friend then reached out to him again and to get a little bit more details and they basically said that upon further review they were not interested in hearing about Shapebo style medicine from anybody who was not a Shapebo person.
Garett:Now on one level I can kind of see where they're coming from you want to make sure everybody has a seat at the table right but on the other hand that is a very narrow minded way of looking at the world Right? That's like saying the only people that are allowed to cook Italian food are Italians. The only people allowed to cook Mexican food are Mexicans. And so for a group to consider themselves open minded and accepting of all people purposely chooses to put people to label people and put them in very narrow boxes based on what they look like, where they're from, what language they speak, what their religion is, and what they're 23 and me DNA results say. And now look I want to be very clear I'm not playing the victim role here I do not care I'm only bringing this up as a as a teaching lesson as a way to help combat a mind virus that many people have become infected with not to mention I have two other reasons why the methodology and ideology of this online group are severely flawed is one you know who does not care that I am not Shapiro?
Garett:The Shapiro people themselves. Now obviously I don't know all of them and obviously the people that have told me about this are not represent are not representing an entire tribe but my teacher a Chappevo person Ricardo Amaringo who has trained many western people could not be happier that we are going home and spreading the message. In fact, he has said numerous times and I'm sure you could even find videos online of him saying this that but when you are down there and you're working with him and you're training with him as you get close to being done he will say now go home and spread the medicine and spread your medicine and he's not the only one. There are other Schapiro practitioners out there that now offer online courses to help you learn the language specifically to help you improve your singing ability in ceremony and this is because the Shipibo are one very connected to Ayahuasca and they are very connected to the plant spirits and they are very connected to mother nature and they truly believe that they are helping and that they've been tasked to help with the great awakening that we all feel and they believe that their role is to help spread the message and the medicine of Ayahuasca.
Garett:Because I've said this many times people often refer to Ayahuasca as either the mother or the grandmother. Based on my experience, it's not any mother, it's not any grandmother. Ayahuasca is a representation of Mother Earth. Ayahuasca is a direct connection into the intelligence of Gaia, into the intelligence of this realm that we are all inhabiting at this point in time. And it's no coincidence that the popularity of Ayahuasca is spreading and other plant medicines.
Garett:We as a human race seem to be walking a very fine line right now and we are on the brink of either complete and total destruction or the birth of a new world and I believe and I'm not the only one that the plants are here to help us and they are reaching out and saying if we do not wake these stupid monkeys up right now they are going to destroy this thing for everyone and so they are reaching out and they are trying to snap us out of our slumber they are trying to unplug us from the matrix they are trying to deprogram us from the societal programming we all received at birth. So the Shapebo do not care that I'm Shapebo and in fact they are happy they are happy to be a part of my journey and they are encouraging me to spread the message to spread the medicine and the second reason is that the plants do not care. See despite being about diversity, equity, inclusion, fairness, acceptance of all people. The one thing that people who have become infected with woke ideology fail to realize is that we are all human and we are all from this earth.
Garett:Right? And it doesn't matter what your skin color is. It doesn't matter your DNA results. It doesn't matter where you were born. We are all born on the same planet.
Garett:See, we are all the same. And this is not to negate that there are different cultures, but we are all the same. But yet people with good intentions want to put everybody in a box and they want to say that you are not allowed to do anything outside of this little box that we put you in which is absolutely insane because one of the most beautiful aspects about our world is when different cultures and different people from different parts of the world come together and they share their knowledge they share their experiences. Right? Could you imagine how boring and dull the world would be if you were not allowed to do anything outside of a 50 mile radius from the place you were born.
Garett:You are not allowed to learn other languages or eat other foods or cook other foods. But ironically, this is the world that they want. Now they will never admit this and they don't even know that this is happening. But this is why the road to hell is often paved with good intentions. They have good intentions, but they haven't thought it through all the way.
Garett:They don't understand how much they are limiting their own worldview. Right? Good luck getting a Shapebo person to come give a talk at your stupid online community very few Shapebo people speak English and according to their own rules you probably shouldn't be listening to Spanish if that was not your native tongue I mean not that this is secret knowledge or anything but there are people in your group that are gonna miss out on learning something new because of a very closed minded view of the people running this community and again I want to be clear I'm not screaming victim here because I know how these woke ideology defenders think and they're gonna say something like, oh poor white guy complaining that things didn't go his way. I'm using this as a learning opportunity because we as a society, as a culture, as a race, the human race, we need to do better, right? We need to share, we need to grow, we need to evolve.
Garett:And yes, we should make sure everyone has an opportunity to sit at the table and everyone has an opportunity to speak it's not a bad thing necessarily but we can't let it hinder progress and we can't let it hinder knowledge and you can't discount somebody based on the way they look right this should be obvious we've been talking about this for years it's 2026 but yet in some ironic twist of fate we are now living in a world where people will tell you what you can and cannot do what you can and cannot say and what you can and cannot study or teach strictly based on the way you look and based on the patch of ground in which you were born all in the name of progress. See on the other side.