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Join feminist coaches Taina Brown and Becky Mollenkamp for casual (and often deep) conversations about business, current events, politics, pop culture, and more. We’re not perfect activists or allies! These are our real-time, messy feminist perspectives on the world around us.
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Becky Mollenkamp (00:06)
Good morning.
Taina (00:07)
Good well, it's afternoon for me.
Becky Mollenkamp (00:09)
my god, well it's afternoon for me too. I genuinely thought it was still morning. It's dark here and I the anyway, hi.
Taina (00:15)
Hi. yeah,
Becky Mollenkamp (00:16)
How are you today?
Taina (00:19)
I'm a little a little out of it. I had to just tell you I had to get up earlier than I normally get up. So like way, way earlier than I normally get up.
Becky Mollenkamp (00:27)
Are you prepared to talk about a hot button topic? Okay, good.
Taina (00:29)
Yeah, yeah, I am. I've got my coffee,
I took a little nap after my doctor's appointment, so I'm good.
Becky Mollenkamp (00:36)
Well, I'm excited because we are trying to record these and put them out quicker than we have in the past. Like, I mean in
Taina (00:42)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (00:43)
the past it was like a four day, five day lag, and now it's gonna be like a one, two day lag. So we can be a little more like in the moment. And to that end, I thought we could talk about something that's very much going on right now in the moment, which is all of these dumb fuck men are my language.
Thinking that they want to join the WNBA to, ooh, they've really proved their point. So I I'll do some quick setting of the table for us, if that's okay, because I just did a bunch of research, but feel free to pop in at any point.
Taina (01:12)
Yeah, yeah, go for it.
Becky Mollenkamp (01:14)
But I'm just gonna tell us like what's led us to this moment we're in with these two former NBA players now declaring their eligibility for the WNBA draft next year.
So in the last month or so, kind of what really I think ignited a lot of this, this has obviously been an issue that's been going on across sports for a long time. The issue around trans athletes in sports and all of that. But in the last month, Sophie Cunningham, who's a pretty blonde girl who plays for the fever, along with notorious flopper Caitlin Clark, who also has been, who likes to be one of those, I don't talk politics basically kind of people. yeah. So anyway, Sophie Cunningham.
Said that she wants to quote protect young girls from competing against quote biological men in sports. So she's taking that tact that we've heard from so many others, while also wanting to say that she totally respects and loves and cares for and supports the LGBTQ community, right? But just not in sports. I will also mention that Sophie Cunningham is a very C average based basketball player, so there's that. Okay.
Not that it matters. She could be the world's greatest athlete, and I would still have
Taina (02:19)
Yeah, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (02:19)
the same feelings, but I'm just pointing out that in the same vein as Riley Gaines, who's the swimmer who was so upset to have lost to a trans athlete or some nonsense, where it's she just couldn't hack it and then has to blame it on trans athletes. And so it seems often like it's a lot of these folks who can't hack it. Okay, so she says that. She then posed for a picture with Riley Gaines, who is that swimmer.
And one of the people who's like leading this older lady who's very much leading this whole thing and runs an apparel company called XXXY apparel.
Taina (02:52)
Ha ha
Becky Mollenkamp (02:53)
Okay, so that so she poses No. None
Taina (02:54)
Does she even understand genetics? Does she even understand that? Like
Becky Mollenkamp (02:58)
of these people clearly they don't understand genetics because they actually believe there are literally only two biological sexes, right?
Taina (03:04)
Chromosome. Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (03:05)
So they don't under they don't understand, they don't want to learn, they don't care to learn, but we'll get to that. Okay, so she poses with Riley Gaines and this woman before a game. That same game, because she had already made these comments, the coach for the team they were playing that night
Was wearing a shirt that says protect trans children, and had a whole conversation with her beforehand, before the game, which we don't know what that conversation was, but okay. And the coach for The Fever has also said she supports inclusion. I don't know she's been explicit as this coach was a Minnesota Lynx coach, Cheryl Reeve, who wore the shirt that says protect trans children. Okay.
So that like all got quite a bit of media attention, just happened in the last month or less. So then they the media starts asking people about this question. People are having to deal with this question again, you know, as it pops up every interestingly election cycle. Hmm. and so then the Golden State Valkyrie's for Gabby Williams, who's an awesome black woman, who said that she would welcome trans athletes to play in the WNBA on hor her team, or she would play it, be happy to play against them.
And she said that she thinks all of the stuff that's coming up, quote, is just another way to kind to kind of attract attack trans people versus it being like a genuine concern, right?
Taina (04:20)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (04:20)
Ding ding ding. Okay, so that was the background. That's what's got all this buzz going. Sophie Cunningham, pretty white girl, starts all the conversation. Gabby says, you know, she shows up to support saying, hey, I support trans women.
There's t-shirts being worn on both sides. People are really angry with the fever anyway because of Caitlin Clark and a whole lot of things that seem to be fairly race-based in the ways the refing is going versus the you know, supporting white clo Caitlyn Clark versus a lot of the black women in similar scenarios. So there's all this anger brewing anyway. And then
What just happened this last few days is former NBA center, and I have to read this because I don't know this person, and I don't think most people probably do unless they're really big NBA fans. But Innis Cantor, who's 34 years old, has declared himself for the WNBA draft, which is next like April. he played 11 seasons. He played for the Jazz, the Celtics, the Oklahoma City Thunder. He is six years older and five inches taller, five inches taller than the average WNBA center. And he said, My team is
you know, management team and I have carefully examined the WNB NBA's eligibility criteria and governing framework surrounding self-identification and inclusion based on the current guidelines. I can and am officially declaring my eligibility for the upcoming draft in April twenty twenty seven. A few days later, seeing all this attention now that this NBA in his canter and I think he adopted the last name Freedom, which I think tells you a little bit about his politics.
Sadly. Although I will say I read a little about him and during his time in the NBA, one of the reasons he thinks he was pushed out of the NBA was because of his political activism on behalf of like the Uyghurs in China. And like I I I part of me is like, how do you get some stuff so right and then some stuff so wrong? But okay. So he has been a vocal political kind of activist in the past. He thinks that's why he was kicked out. Other people say, bro, your play just wasn't that great by the end of your career. Okay.
So, but seeing all this attention that this guy's getting, because he stirred up a whole bunch of attention like over the weekend, Royce White decided: hey, I'm also gonna do the same thing. Why not? I want some of this pr this yummy attention that you're getting. So he's a year older than the other guy, he's 35. He declared to you he was the 16th overall draft pick, which sounds pretty good until you learn that he played exactly three games two years later.
Because of a whole bunch of things. He had mental health issues and he was a mental health advocate. And I appreciate that, especially among with a black man.
Taina (06:49)
Mm.
Becky Mollenkamp (06:50)
If you're advocating for mental health, I think that's beautiful. And he was advocating for mental health. Again, how do you get something so right and something so wrong? But
Taina (06:56)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (06:56)
he ended up playing exactly three games. He played only three minutes across those three games and scored exactly
Taina (07:03)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (07:04)
zero points in the NBA. yeah, he's seven years older, five inches taller than the average WNBA Ford, which is what he plays, but any of them could clearly.
destroy him. But okay, fine. So he has but here's the fun twist about this guy and why he's suddenly doing it. He ran for congress Congress in Minnesota where he's at as a far right wing kind of guy in 22, lost. He ended up being the Republican nominee for Senate in 24, lost to Clovishar. And he is now trying to become the Senate nominee in for the Republicans in Minnesota again. However, there's other candidates including Michelle Tefoya whose name may be familiar because she used to be on like the radio and the news
She's running as a Republican. It's unlikely he's gonna get the nomination, but he I think is using this as some last gasps to maybe make a name for himself and
Taina (07:47)
Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (07:48)
get that. So he also has now taken to showing up, talking about how he's in touch with his feminine energy. And of course, some of these sports channels and the right wing channels love this and they're giving him quite a bit of attention. And he's talking about he's in touch with his feminine energy energy. He's shown photos now of him wearing like a long hair wig.
All of this to try and prove that he is now somehow a woman. Enus, on the other hand, the other guy has basically just said he will identify as a woman while he's playing basketball if he's allowed into the WNBA. That's his claim to being a woman. And that for its part, the WNBA, their agre their eligibility requirements are part of the collective bargaining agreement that the players and managers and all of them come to together.
And as it stands now, it says only players who are women are eligible to play in the WNBA. That's what it says. It doesn't say what that means. And up until now, and the NBA WNBA has been around for a while, y'all, has never been an issue. And now the commissioner of the WNBA, Kathy Engelbert, has now said that she she has issued a statement which I'll read in a second, but then has also said there's now gonna be like a commission of people who will be looking into this. And
Her statement was that our player eligibility rules, unlike the eligibility rules at other leagues, are collectively bargained, meaning that preserving the, and she said preserving the integrity of our game and ensuring fair competition will always remain among the league's highest priorities. She has not actually weighed in yet on anything around what does it mean to be a woman, blah, blah, blah. Right? So that brings us to where we are now.
And the last thing I just want to share as background before I'm like, Taina, the floor is yours, because I can't wait to hear you have to say, is all of this is obviously happening along the same backdrop that we've been in for a few years now, where anti-trans legislation has for several years now been at a fever pitch across US states and federally. And there
Taina (09:45)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (09:46)
is in this moment the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act.
Notice there's no concern about boys. Very interesting. Okay. We're not worried about trans men playing on boys' teams. That's I've never once heard anybody say that, but but protection of women and girls in Sports Act, which is House Resolution 28, which has passed. The House passed this resolution. It is now
Taina (10:08)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (10:08)
sitting at the Senate as Senate Bill Nine. We're it's gone into committee and the
It you know, a lot of it's gonna depend on what happens in November on whether this bill would move forward to be voted on and then move to the president's desk. And it seeks to define sex in school sports solely on quote unquote reproductive biology and genetics at birth. End quote. And again, these are people who don't understand biology or genetics, obviously. which, you know, peop the opponents obviously say could lead to investigation of genitalia because.
What else are we doing?
Taina (10:41)
Yeah, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (10:42)
And it seeks to define sex for Title IX compliance based solely again on these same things, meaning Title IX funding, which is what allows, which gives funding for girls. Because as we know, across education, from our earliest days through college and into professional, women's sports are not given the same amount of money or attention. Not because they're not good. It's not because they can't compete. It's not only because of historic legacy, right?
Taina (11:08)
They're not valued as much.
Becky Mollenkamp (11:09)
So to be able to get any of that, and it would then ban any federal funding for anything that is now not Title IX if they allow individuals assigned male at birth to play in quote unquote women's sports. Okay. So that is still sitting there as a possibility of something to happen. That's the backdrop of where we're at now with Mr. Royce and Mr. Enus or whatever his name is, penis deciding that they need to declare themselves for the draft.
All right, Tyna, I hit you with this this morning. So
Taina (11:36)
Freedom.
Becky Mollenkamp (11:37)
you're coming in yes, Mr. Freedom. You may be I mean, I'm sure you've probably heard some of this too, but you didn't know we were gonna talk about this until just very recently. So I'm curious after all of that, what are your thoughts?
Taina (11:46)
God they're dumb. God they're just dumb. Yeah,
Becky Mollenkamp (11:47)
That's a really good thought.
Taina (11:49)
like they're like I
Becky Mollenkamp (11:51)
I I I honestly am like, I just wanna leave room for all of the like and for anyone who's listening and not seeing, I also hope that you can hear the the disgust. Like there's the visible disgust, there's the frustration, there's the anger, the like what the fuck kinda
Taina (12:04)
Yeah, yeah.
Like it's it's people talking about things that they just don't understand. Like you just don't understand just basic biology science, like like just because every
Becky Mollenkamp (12:16)
Because because why, Taina? D I mean we
Taina (12:20)
fetus is starts out first of all as a female.
It's it's i you at the moment of conception, every fetus is female. Like biologically, chromosomically, right?
Becky Mollenkamp (12:28)
We're all XX, right? Exactly. Yes.
Taina (12:34)
Every chromosome points toward a female fetus at the moment of conception.
Becky Mollenkamp (12:38)
Which is why they can't
do blood testing until you are eight,
Taina (12:41)
Until your weeks later.
Becky Mollenkamp (12:42)
eight-ish weeks. I know because I had because I was a high-risk geriatric, whatever they call it now, advanced maternal age pregnancy. I I was somebody who was supposed to get genetic testing to make sure everything was okay. And that cannot happen until at least eight weeks is the earliest they do it. Sometimes they wait slightly longer,
Taina (12:57)
Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (12:59)
because until then, there will be no Y chromosome showing up in your blood, right? Because it hasn't developed.
Taina (13:03)
Yeah. Yeah. Testosterone doesn't
even happen until like nine to ten weeks later. Like it's all like so the the thing that's so frustrating about this is that
Most maybe not these male basketball players and maybe not like your transphobic neighbor, right? Who just doesn't understand gender and identity and all of that. But the people who have power who are pushing these laws, pushing these agendas, they know the fucking science. They just don't care. They just don't care. It's about
Becky Mollenkamp (13:35)
Because what is it really about? Because that's just it it is not about
Taina (13:41)
No, it's not about trans people. It's about upholding heterosexual family values. Because when you do that,
Becky Mollenkamp (13:47)
Don't even yeah,
yeah, I know why you're saying it, but ooh, it makes me makes my screen crawl scan
Taina (13:50)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (13:51)
crawl even hear family values.
Taina (13:53)
Yeah, yeah. Cause when you do that, it becomes easier to control women, which means it becomes easier to control the population. That that's
Becky Mollenkamp (13:58)
Ding ding ding ding ding. Yep. Because
Taina (14:03)
what this all boils down to. They don't they don't fucking care about trans people.
Becky Mollenkamp (14:05)
Awesome. Yeah.
Taina (14:07)
In the literal, metaphorical, philosophical, spiritual sense of it all, they do not give a shit. What they care about is controlling the population and holding on to their power and their privilege. And in order to do that, then they have to subdue.
other people. But if there are multiple categories of people to subdue, that becomes harder. It's easier when it's just man versus woman, male versus female. Then their job becomes so much easier. Then their agenda becomes so much easier.
Becky Mollenkamp (14:36)
Well, it becomes really easy when you create a boogeyman
that doesn't exist, right? So I
Taina (14:41)
Yes. Yes.
Becky Mollenkamp (14:42)
I I might want to like make you go to bed at eight because
Taina (14:47)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (14:47)
I was want my night. This is a really weird example, but and
Taina (14:50)
Ha ha ha.
Becky Mollenkamp (14:50)
you might be like, I don't want to go to bed, it's not even dark out yet. But if I then create a boogeyman that only
Taina (14:56)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (14:56)
shows up at night to and only eats the kids who are not asleep by 10 or by nine
Taina (15:02)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (15:02)
or whatever.
Taina (15:03)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (15:03)
Right.
Now suddenly you're afraid of something that isn't real, but it works to my ends. I now get to control you by creating
Taina (15:09)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (15:09)
something that isn't there, but that scares you a lot and in scares you into submission into what I want you to do. And that is exactly what it feels like to me. Like you said, it's like they're
Taina (15:18)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (15:19)
creating a boogeyman out of using trans folks because you just said we can't control trying to control 50% of the population, because women are 50%.
Taina (15:28)
At least. At least fifty
percent.
Becky Mollenkamp (15:30)
Plus
percent exactly because as you mentioned, we all start out as women. So like,
Taina (15:34)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (15:35)
and actually it's there are more of us than there are of them, which they know. So if we try to control that, that's all really that's big order. That's tall order to do that.
Taina (15:42)
Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (15:44)
But you know how many people are trans? Less than a percent of the population? Now that's a lot easier. If I start to say, mmm, I could control that. I could t I could probably handle the literally, and this is true.
10 athletes or 100 athletes. So two athletes per state on average. The 100
Taina (16:01)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (16:02)
athletes that are actually trans that are trying to play sports K through 12. There's 100. They estimate
Taina (16:07)
Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (16:08)
it this would affect these rules that we're spending all this time on, all this legislation would affect 100 kids. And in the in the NCAA, I had that stat too. Hold on, let me find it because it's also ridiculous. In the NCAA, it was 10. There are 10. That was the 10th.
There are 10 openly trans athletes in the ND NCAA out of 500,000 athletes. Ten.
So if I try to control them, but
Taina (16:29)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (16:30)
by doing that, I turn everyone else I make everyone else afraid of those
Taina (16:34)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (16:35)
ten, right? That becomes a lot easier. It becomes a lot easier. So I agree with you.
Taina (16:37)
Yeah. Yeah. Cause then the people start policing themselves, right? And policing
each other. And it it I mean it reminds Yeah. Yeah. It reminds me of of
Becky Mollenkamp (16:42)
Uh-huh. Because now I gotta position myself above those ten. I can't be a part of that ten.
Taina (16:47)
how they got like poor white people to align themselves
Becky Mollenkamp (16:50)
Exhum.
Taina (16:51)
with rich white people against all black people, right? And so Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (16:55)
Uh-huh, and against their own self-interests, which is what they're doing with women. Against my own self-interest. I'm saying
I might allow you to inspect my genitalia so that you don't lump me in with those ten people.
Taina (17:06)
With both
people, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (17:08)
When
Taina (17:09)
Yeah, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (17:10)
you think so, going okay, going back to so trans people make up 1% of the population. But when we talk about genetics, there are so many variations. People, these people who think there are two genders, quote unquote, even if you boil it down to sexes, okay, because gender is an expression, just for people
Taina (17:26)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (17:28)
to understand. That is not a biological term. Gender. Sex is a biological term.
Taina (17:33)
No, no it's not. Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (17:36)
However, there are not just two classes or two examples of sex.
Taina (17:40)
I'm hand. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (17:42)
Sex can be a spectrum because you can measure sex in many ways, right? Yeah, there's chromosomes. That's one marker of sex. There's also how sex is presented on the body. And there are people who are very well known to be intersex, meaning.
They may have both a penis and fully developed breasts. They may have a penis
Taina (18:03)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (18:03)
and ovaries. They may have a vagina and testes. Like there
Taina (18:08)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (18:09)
are so many variations on what can happen. And there are people who are born out without a cervix. There are people like there
Taina (18:15)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (18:16)
are so many genetic variations that can happen that there are not just two ways for sex to present. And there is no way to test, because I could have.
XX chromosomes, meaning I should be able to play on the women's team, because those are my chromosomes. I could have a penis and have XX chromosomes. Now that
Taina (18:35)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (18:35)
is something that people don't understand. I think, and
Taina (18:37)
Yeah, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (18:38)
it's easy to get to lump everyone into the hate bucket, but I think there are people who s who truly simply just like not the lawmakers like you're saying. There are people who are yeah.
Taina (18:44)
Who just don't understand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not the lawmakers, but maybe your next door neighbor, right?
Who just doesn't who doesn't get it. Like they're biologically humans are so diverse, right? Like there's so many different ways that we show up. And reducing a person to their genitalia, basically what we're doing is we're reducing people to the function of their bodies, to how their bodies function, right?
Becky Mollenkamp (19:09)
And what's the next step from that?
Taina (19:09)
We're objectifying them in that way, which is like a productivity
kind of mind fuck.
Becky Mollenkamp (19:15)
It leads very quickly down to the road of eugenics as well, right? Because when we start
Taina (19:18)
Yeah, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (19:19)
to reduce people to the utility of their body, it's not a hard leap then to go to exactly what we also start to see more and more happening, which is
Taina (19:25)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (19:26)
like, ooh, well then does my genetic markers for my child having X, Y, Z, whatever abnormality, does that now make them a less valuable human? Right? Like
Taina (19:36)
Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (19:37)
that is when we start to judge bodies based only on how do they function and does that functionality live up to
What we expect or what we have deemed in the norm, it's not a form. Mm-hmm.
Taina (19:49)
It sets a precedent. It sets a precedent because
then it becomes far too easy to say, this this fetus will be born with a disability and will not be able to function properly. So maybe we should just get rid of it, right? And so
Becky Mollenkamp (20:03)
Mm-hmm.
Taina (20:04)
and at the end of the day, right, like that that idea, that philosophy of of of thinking is that's eugenics, right?
Becky Mollenkamp (20:12)
Exactly.
Taina (20:13)
but also like contextually, like that is
The person who is carrying the child is that's like their decision to make, right? That's not something that's
Becky Mollenkamp (20:20)
For sure, but it's
Taina (20:21)
legalized and like systematize and like structured. That's when it becomes a fucking issue when it's like
Becky Mollenkamp (20:24)
Right. Right.
Taina (20:27)
this structure that supports, right? and that enables that kind of behavior and that kind of thinking.
Becky Mollenkamp (20:33)
Exactly.
Because when these kinds of laws exist, and you are now a parent in that position of having been told, per let's say, through genetic testing, your child might have X XY chromosomes, but have a vagina or the opposite. When you live in a world like this, you're gonna be far more likely to make a decision about that that baby's whether that child, whatever you see it as.
Whether or not that is going to be a child who's going to be allowed to live, right?
Taina (21:02)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (21:02)
And again, I I've had abortion care. I think abortion care is necessary and amazing. But it's when we live inside of a system that has started to deem which kinds of people are have value or don't have value. And then those things become part of making the decision versus is this the thing I need in my life for my health, for my mental health, for whatever reason.
Taina (21:18)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (21:21)
And when you start making those decisions, because you're like, well, should I live in a world where
I don't know, this child's gonna have a really hard life, or my gosh, I can't have that, you know, like whatever horrible
Taina (21:30)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (21:31)
words we might use for that, because we live in a system that has now said that that person has less value.
Taina (21:37)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (21:37)
That's that's scary. And then it's not a far leap to go from that to what does eugenics look like when people are already living? So like for
Taina (21:43)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (21:44)
we can take abortion out of the discussion and just say, what does that mean for the people who are already alive, who are dealing,
Taina (21:50)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (21:51)
who already like
What's happening in their pants is none of my goddamn business. And
Taina (21:55)
Right.
Becky Mollenkamp (21:55)
now they're having to worry about if I go to the bathroom, am I gonna have to
Taina (21:58)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (21:59)
drop trout to enter the restroom to go pee? And what if I look like a man? Because and and maybe my chromosomes are a man, but I am actually the my technology I
Taina (22:12)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (22:13)
have but I got a vagina and I need to sit down to pee, and that restroom's only got urinals. But now you're telling me because I look like a man, I gotta go in there. Like it's
It's just awful. And then what starts to happen to those folks, because when we start to dehumanize people, I mean we see it in Gaza. Once you have dehumanized people, where there are people there who are perfectly content to call people dogs and all
Taina (22:33)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (22:33)
kinds of horrific things, it's not a far leap to start to feel like, sure, I'm happy to mark march those people off to camps. Sure, those
Taina (22:39)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (22:40)
people should have to be somewhere else. Their lives don't have value. They should be destroyed.
Taina (22:46)
Yeah, they should be unalived, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (22:47)
And I know people think, no, that's not what this is about. This is about protecting the girls. Which brings me to the other thing I wanna say, which is fuck you protecting girls. Because if these men think what they're doing right now is protecting girls in any way, when what you're talking about is potentially having to have in sports already, what it could mean is that a girl has to go and have a pelvic exam.
Before being able to participate in sports. And there are states that are talking about that as a thing. You are subjecting girls to doctors who are we've seen what's happened. I mean, just look at what was his name, Larry Nasser and gymnastics.
Taina (23:22)
Yeah, yeah,
the gymnastics doctor.
Becky Mollenkamp (23:24)
That
you're telling me is protecting girls. For the
Taina (23:26)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (23:27)
10 NCAA athletes who might be trans, or the hundred out of all the American school kids who want to participate in sports, you're willing
Taina (23:35)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (23:35)
to subject your daughter to at 10, 8, to say she can play on a little league team? Even
Taina (23:41)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (23:42)
if she's in high school or even if she's in college. And
Taina (23:45)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (23:45)
she's now having to have someone inspect her genitalia. And as, you know, I think any
Traumatizing.
Taina (23:51)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (23:52)
I mean, I think
there can potentially be some real trauma in there because it's not about medical care.
Taina (23:56)
No, it's not. It's not.
Becky Mollenkamp (23:58)
And just think about, I mean, I think for many girls who have had trauma, sexual trauma, a visit
Taina (24:03)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (24:04)
to the gynecologist is already a traumatic
experience.
Taina (24:05)
Yeah,
yeah, yeah. There are a lot of women who and girls who
Becky Mollenkamp (24:09)
Mm-hmm.
Taina (24:10)
just won't go because of past sexual trauma because it's too
Becky Mollenkamp (24:13)
Absolutely.
Taina (24:14)
it's too rough. It's too too rough of an of an experience for them.
Becky Mollenkamp (24:18)
And now you're having them go for no medical need other than a visual
Taina (24:21)
Yeah,
Becky Mollenkamp (24:21)
inspection.
Taina (24:22)
yeah, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (24:23)
So I do want to shout out Megan Rapino, who continues to be one of the most outspoken elite level athletes who
Taina (24:32)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (24:33)
is saying this is all bullshit.
Taina (24:36)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (24:36)
It is not helping, it is dangerous, and that at the core of all of this is about saying we don't want Title IX to exist.
Taina (24:44)
Yeah,
yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (24:45)
The slippery
sloper down because we see girls getting smarter. Ath athletics, listen, I'm not an athlete, never was, but there is a really wonderful correlation, most especially with girls, because it's a different experience than it is for boys because of funding issues and everything else.
Taina (25:00)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (25:01)
That for girls, there is a really strong correlation between being a student athlete and having better student outcomes, academic outcomes, social
Taina (25:08)
Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (25:11)
outcomes, all kinds of things.
That's putting women in college. It's making women smarter. It's creating women who are like, don't fuck with me.
Taina (25:18)
It's scholarships
for for st for student athletes that are that are women, right? And so Title Nine is all about funding, right? It's it
Becky Mollenkamp (25:27)
Yes. It's funding
sort. Well it's not just it's at sponsors scholarships, yes, but it's also the funding that the schools get to ensure that those programs exist. Yeah. Uh-huh.
Taina (25:34)
Exists, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's it's it's it's mostly
funding and to reduce it to an athlete's genitalia is like it's a red herring. It's a red herring. Like that's not that's not the real issue here. The issue is the money, like where the money is going and and how they want to control the money. And if they were really interested in protecting girls, how about some gun control? How about like harder sentencing or
Better legislation against sexual assault for women and girls.
Becky Mollenkamp (26:03)
How about not assaulting women and girls? There's that too, right? Like, I mean, Royce, one of these men
Taina (26:07)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because if if
Becky Mollenkamp (26:10)
who's who's wanting to be in the WNBA because he wants to protect girls, is actively being charged with and investigated for assault of his ex-wife or his ex-partner.
Yes. He has a current restraining
Taina (26:20)
What my god
Becky Mollenkamp (26:23)
order against him and his child, his teenage child, teenage son, and his ex-partner, wife, whatever.
He has a restr she has a restraining order for fifty years. You don't get a fifty year.
Taina (26:33)
You yeah, they're usually
like a few years at a time and then you have to like renew it.
Becky Mollenkamp (26:37)
It's in a a 50 year trading word. That's how scary he is to women. And he thinks that he's doing this. I mean, obviously we know it's not. For him, it's completely a stunt.
Taina (26:47)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (26:48)
But like to frame any of this as protecting women and girls, while meanwhile, you guys aren't doing anything to stop rape, to stop assault,
Taina (26:55)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (26:56)
to you know, to feed children. To like
Taina (26:58)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (26:59)
these you're so worried about these girls. What about the girls who can't have food? And you you're like taking away school.
Taina (27:03)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (27:04)
lunch mint munt money, school breakfast money, you're not providing them with education. Because the truth is, and what
Taina (27:05)
Yeah. Yeah. After school child care. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (27:10)
yeah, what Megan Rapino said is a lot of this is funded by Heritage Foundation that want part of their project 2025, 2026 that it is now, is get rid of Title IX. Because they don't want girls to have opportunity.
Taina (27:24)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (27:24)
They want to control. They want to have girls that they control and girls who are in sports are harder to control.
Because they
Taina (27:30)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (27:31)
tend to be, first of all, physically fit. Mentally
Taina (27:34)
Yeah. More independent thinking, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (27:37)
it's better for your it's good for your mental health. It's good for your academics. It's good for your physical health. All sorts of things that they don't want to have.
They don't wanna see. Mm-hmm.
Taina (27:44)
They're harder to control. They're harder to control,
right? And if you if if you if your aim is to control the population or at least half the population, right, then your strategy is to tear down the things that make it harder to control that population. So and also like if your goal is to remain in control of the population for forever, then you want your barefoot and pregnant wives at home.
Not working, not voting, not able to get, you know, abortion care if they want it or or or the kind of health care or divorce.
Becky Mollenkamp (28:19)
Or a divorce. All right.
Taina (28:22)
just popping out kids that you can indoctrinate and continue to wield that control over the country. And that sounds sinister. That's gonna sound sinister to someone who might be listening to this who has never thought about it that way, but
That is what is fucking happening. Like if you are a strategic thinker and you know anything about history, if you've studied history, if you have been paying attention to what's going on, that is the fucking strategy. Like I can see like I can literally see the pieces of the puzzle. I can see the without reading Project 2025. I don't even have to read that shit to understand what's happening. Like.
Becky Mollenkamp (28:57)
Yeah, right. But for
anybody who's like, you're a conspiracy theorist, just read Project 2025. It's not conspi This is all. This is literally. Yeah.
Taina (29:03)
It's laid out. They told us what they were gonna do.
Becky Mollenkamp (29:08)
And they're doing it. And what's upsetting
Taina (29:09)
And they're doing it.
Becky Mollenkamp (29:10)
is they're using so for people who are like, but trans people scare me or they're not, you know, they're not right. It's an abomination. Whatever the kind of shit is that you've
Taina (29:19)
And that's your fucking problem.
Becky Mollenkamp (29:21)
correct. And I want you to know you are being manipulated.
You are being
Taina (29:25)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (29:26)
used. They are relying on your hatred and or fear. If you're Sophie Cunningham saying, I don't hate anybody, I love everybody. I'm just afraid of, you know, I want to protect girls. If that's where you're coming from, and I, you know, trying to find this place of like, or for people who know those people in their lives and are like, how do I share this information without it just being like you're an asshole? Cause I get that, like that's how I feel. But I all I just want to say.
Help people understand that they are being manipulated. They are being used. Their hate or and or let's say their ignorance and fear
Taina (29:59)
Just fear. Yeah, their ignorance and their fear. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (30:02)
is being used as a commodity to serve these people in power who know different and know better. They know that they can tap into that fear, use that fear to achieve the ends that they want.
Because it's not long before this happens. And the same people, it's so similar to what's, you know, these people who are like the farmers who are turning on Trump, who are like, well, but it wasn't supposed to affect me, right? Like, but I don't understand. Okay. But they relied
Taina (30:26)
What what the fuck did you think was gonna happen?
Becky Mollenkamp (30:30)
on ignorance and fear. This fear of people taking their jobs, even though they're all farmers who own their own land, whatever. But there's all this fear around immigrants. Right? Well, that's exactly it. So they were
Taina (30:37)
Or having like no employees to manage their operation.
Becky Mollenkamp (30:41)
like,
I've seen a farmer guy who, you know, or I saw a guy from Hay from Haiti Haiti who just lost all of his people. He's having to shut all his restaurants down because he has no employees now that they've been a TPS. And his whole thing was like, but Trump's a businessman, I don't understand. So here's what I'm saying: you allowed your fears around going broke, paying too much in taxes, or if your version of that fear is trans people like, I don't know, eating your kids, whatever your bizarre fear is that you have.
Due to ignorance because you've just never spent time with a trans person, right? You don't understand it. Well, exactly. But you s right. Yeah.
Taina (31:11)
I'm sure they have and just didn't know it. That's the thing too that's like really frustrating. It's like you've
at some point you've probably interacted with a trans person and just didn't fucking know it
Becky Mollenkamp (31:21)
Exactly.
Taina (31:22)
because you weren't worried about what was in their fucking pants.
Becky Mollenkamp (31:25)
Cause they don't have to announce it until you make them have to announce it. Now suddenly you're like,
Taina (31:29)
Now it's an issue.
Becky Mollenkamp (31:30)
But if that is you and you're or you're talking to that person and it's just like, okay, you're afraid. We all have our fears. Fine. But do you want someone else to capitalize on your fear for their ends? That's their way of they're controlling you, right? You are
Taina (31:44)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (31:44)
allowing yourself to be a pawn in their game. And then eventually what's gonna happen is you're gonna someday
When you have to take your sweet little girl who you love with all your might, you have to take her to some doctor, and it's the team's doctor who has to do an investigation to make sure she has a vagina and ovaries. So now he's putting his fingers inside of your sweet baby girl, and you also then find out later he was doing other things he shouldn't have been, because men are sexual predators, right? And we have seen this happen.
Taina (32:13)
Give her the
opportunity, most men will
Becky Mollenkamp (32:16)
Yep. And then you're gonna turn around and say, but that wasn't what I signed up for. It's exactly what you're signing up for. And what you're actually signing up for is at some point, that sweet little girl of yours who wants to play soccer like her brother does, being told, sorry, we don't have a girls' team because we don't have any money for girls' teams. They've taken away that funding and nobody likes girls sports. So
Taina (32:37)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (32:37)
sorry, it's not because we don't care, but it's just because nobody watches them and nobody likes them. So there's
Taina (32:41)
Yeah, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (32:42)
no money for that. So instead, why don't you take home that?
That's where you're headed. And if that, if you are like, yeah, I'm gung-ho on that, then okay, fine. But if you're saying, no, I'm just afraid because I've never met a trans person, it's weird to me because I don't understand it and I'm afraid, go meet a trans person. Go meet one. Have have lunch with a trans person and find out.
Taina (33:00)
Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (33:02)
Because what you're gonna and if you pay any attention, the people who are diddling kids and getting arrested are all those white male preachers. It is not the trans folks.
Taina (33:08)
are not trans people. They're not trans people.
Yeah. Yeah. That's that's the other thing too. It's like the people who get discovered as preying on children are not trans people. They're men in positions of power. They're
Becky Mollenkamp (33:22)
No, they're the family values people you mentioned. Yep.
Taina (33:26)
pastors, they're politicians, they're coaches, they're, you know, your neighbor who
has been grooming your family, you know? And and you know, I I get it. I get it. Sometimes we're afraid of what we don't understand, what we don't know. Like I there are a lot of things that that that has been the case for me for a lot of different things, including trans people at one time. Like, because I grew
Becky Mollenkamp (33:46)
Sure. For sure.
Taina (33:50)
up ev evangelical. There are a lot of things about the world that I just didn't understand that. Made me uncomfortable. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (33:53)
I remember vividly the first time I saw a trans person and I was
in my twenties that I knew. The first time I recognized was like
Taina (33:59)
Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (34:00)
this person appears to be trans. I didn't even have language for it that time. You know, in my
Taina (34:04)
Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (34:06)
mind it was cross-dressing, because that's where I was back in that time. And I remember being
I don't know what the right word would be. In my mind, I felt curious. But I
Taina (34:13)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (34:13)
can also see where someone might be like taken aback. I don't know.
Taina (34:16)
Yeah, yeah. But also like
you if that's if that's you, like then you do the work of figuring out why you're taken aback. Why are you afraid? Like you don't have to sit down with a trans person to like figure that shit out. Like you don't necessarily have to expose someone to your discomfort in order to deal with it. Like read something, watch something, ask yourself a question. What about this person? Why am I afraid of this person? Like ask yourself why.
Because I'm sure if you are completely honest with yourself, you will not have an a real answer, a legitimate answer for why you might be afraid of that person.
Becky Mollenkamp (34:49)
Or you may and you can then explore that. Like the only reason I say that
Taina (34:52)
Right, right.
Becky Mollenkamp (34:54)
is because I have I have had to sit with my own discomfort around men and being alone in public, you know. So like the whole
Taina (35:00)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (35:01)
like, would you cross the street if a black man was walking towards you? And my answer has always been yes. But the answer was the same if it's a white man walking towards me, right? And so
Taina (35:09)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (35:10)
I've had, but I've had to sit with that to explore is that really true for myself? Is it true if
Taina (35:14)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (35:14)
it was man or
White man or a black man. And if I do, is that a real fear? And in my case, it does feel like a real fear because I have real anecdotal evidence that I need to be more cautious around men than I do if it was a woman coming at me.
Taina (35:27)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (35:29)
That said, I'm also not here to legislate men out of existence.
Taina (35:34)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (35:34)
I've I would try, but it just won't work. So like
Taina (35:37)
Yeah, you're not we're not gonna
pass a law that says if a a man walking by himself on the sidewalk encounters a woman walking on the sidewalk by herself that he has to go to the other fucking side of the street, like
Becky Mollenkamp (35:47)
I mean, listen, if we were really about protecting women and girls, we would legislate men out of existence or into their own segregated
Taina (35:53)
Yeah. Yeah. There would be so many restrictions
on what men can and can't do if that were really the case.
Becky Mollenkamp (36:00)
So I just also think like if you are that person, get crit the critical thinking, right? To ask yourself like
Taina (36:04)
Uh-huh, huh.
Becky Mollenkamp (36:06)
his why, why? Because if you just look at stats, it's very clear, like you were saying, the people who are causing harm to girls are not trans people. It's not even it's not trans men, it's not trans women, it's it is not trans
people.
Taina (36:22)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (36:23)
So if that's the case and if we saw where the greatest harm is coming from, why isn't there any legislation, any concern, any separation that we're doing? Yes, men are supposed to use a different bathroom. Is that where most of the harm is happening to girls and women?
Taina (36:39)
No.
Becky Mollenkamp (36:39)
Good question to ask yourself. Like I just
Taina (36:39)
It's not happening in Hat Room.
Becky Mollenkamp (36:42)
certainly no harm that's come to me from men has ever been in the bathroom. Not to say that that doesn't mean that it can't. It could. But of course. Bis men
Taina (36:45)
Yeah. I'm sure it has happened, you know, here and there, but like it it's
it's it's happening in offices, right? It's happening in medical exam rooms, it's happening in people's homes.
Becky Mollenkamp (36:57)
It's happening in your own home.
Taina (36:59)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (37:00)
Because the greatest harm to men and to girls and women are their fathers and their partners. By far. If you need
Taina (37:07)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (37:09)
anybody needs to look up that stat, I can assure you it's true. The
Taina (37:12)
Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (37:13)
greatest harm is coming from inside the home. The call is coming from inside the home.
Taina (37:17)
The call coming from inside the house, people. From inside the house.
Becky Mollenkamp (37:21)
And yet, where's the legislation? Right?
Taina (37:24)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (37:24)
That father can take his daughter to the bathroom.
In her home or not, probably. And that's not
Taina (37:28)
Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (37:29)
we're not worried about that, but we're worried about the random trans person that you've never met, that you that is not causing harm. And I
Taina (37:32)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then when they do get discovered
and they do get, you know, sent to prison or whatever, it's like two years, three years. And I'm not listen, I'm not advocating for harsher prison sentences at all. I am advocating for rehabilitation. Right. And so whether like however long they get sent to prison is not
the issue, but like it's the message that it sends that is the issue. And the message
Becky Mollenkamp (37:59)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Taina (38:02)
is like, this is a minor offense. So it's it's okay for for us to just lock you away for two years or five years and then maybe let you out early for good behavior. And then you can go back out and still be the same kind of person that sent you there in the first place because there's no mental health.
There's no transformative justice opportunity, right? To like make things right. Like so
Becky Mollenkamp (38:26)
Yeah. And what's the message when abuse someone who has caused harm to women and girls gets a very minimal sentence, if any, right? Very minimal accountability, if any, and yet I have to go have my genitals inspected to play sports.
Taina (38:42)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (38:42)
Just tell me how that in your head in any way is sending the right message to
Taina (38:48)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (38:48)
anyone. What is that telling girls?
What is that gonna tell our guys?
Taina (38:50)
It's tell it's telling
us that our bodies are better police than men's predatory behavior.
Becky Mollenkamp (38:57)
Exactly. It's still the like, what are you wearing vibes? Like it's just
Taina (39:01)
Yep. Yep.
Becky Mollenkamp (39:04)
and so these two schmoes are really have
Taina (39:07)
Rifters.
Becky Mollenkamp (39:08)
really pissed me off because now they're forcing a whole discussion that they don't understand and don't care about, and putting all of these people into a position where they they they have caused a problem that didn't exist. There has not been a problem in the WNBA.
Of trans players, of trans people trying to play, or if there have been trans players, no one's had a problem with it. No
Taina (39:29)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (39:30)
one's called it out. It's not like there's just never been a thing. No one's had any issues with the eligibility requirements. The league's been trucking along, doing great, and in fact, over the last few years, doing better and better. And now they got to deal with this bullshit because of two guys who think they're cute. That's really what they think they're cute. They think they're being real funny. They think they're they're gotcha eing you.
Taina (39:48)
It's a joke to them.
Becky Mollenkamp (39:49)
A hundred percent.
Taina (39:50)
It's a joke.
Becky Mollenkamp (39:51)
Even though, you know, they're both saying, no, and no way. I mean, the guy's that Royce guy who's a real piece of shit is out there, you know, wearing his little wig, acting all talking about his feminine energy and yes, queen. Yeah. And they're causing real harm. They're
Taina (40:04)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (40:05)
causing harm to women and girls. They're causing harm to all the women in that league who have to deal with this now. And we know when it comes to these issues, they always fall heaviest on black women who don't.
Taina (40:14)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (40:14)
perform femininity in the way that they are expected because femininity is defined by white culture.
Taina (40:20)
White
wom yeah, by white womanhood, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (40:22)
And so they can't perform it. So they will be the ones who are going to be questioned and dragged through the mud and have to deal with the consequences because some pretty little blonde girl decided she needed to protect who.
Taina (40:33)
Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (40:34)
And I hope Sophie Cunningham is having the day she fucking deserves.
Taina (40:39)
Yeah, I hope they all are. I hope they all are. Kinda chicks to say
Becky Mollenkamp (40:42)
Yeah. Okay. That's
Taina (40:44)
fuck that bitch.
Becky Mollenkamp (40:45)
all I know is that so I also feel really badly for her team because she's got Caitlin Clark and her, who are Bud Buds, pretty clearly right-wing nut jobs. But they have the rest of their team that have to deal with this at such a level
Taina (40:57)
I have to deal with that bullshit, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (40:59)
that I feel for them hardcore. Because they want to win too. Like they're not there to deal with this shit. And yet they have to, and they have to be able to work with these women
Taina (41:07)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (41:07)
to be able to, you know, go get them.
job done that they want to get j done. And even if they want to leave the team, they can't do that if the team is before you know it their livelihoods depend on this shit. They
Taina (41:15)
Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (41:17)
gotta deal with these people. I feel for them. I do. And I feel for everyone else in the league. And if you think you need to be a Caitlyn Clark fan, stop. Burn the merch. Move on. Paige Beckers, if you're wanting a white woman to root for, you know, there's a lot of amazing black women in the WNBA that built the league was built by and
on the backs of black women. It has continues to be dominated by black women. They continue to be premier athletes. But if you're one of those people who's like, I love Cla Caitlin Clark or I love I love what's Sophie Cunningham because they're so pretty or whatever, then go love yourself page backers. Because she is a representative of what it looks like to actually be an ally to all women. She speaks up for black women, she amplifies their voices, she brings attention to these issues, and she is what
It should look like to be a athlete in the WNBA and
Taina (42:01)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what
I want to see more of like with this issue, right? I wanna see other WMBA players calling this shit out. I wanna see other MBA players calling this shit out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (42:12)
Well, that's the thing I would like to see. Could we see some men t putting these men in their place? Women
shouldn't have to be putting these two schhmos into their place. Where are the men doing it? Where are they showing up to say how fragile is your masculinity?
Taina (42:26)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (42:26)
Because that's ultimately what this is about. Their masculinity is that fragile. And I I don't know the one guy, freedom. He might still be able to compete. But I can tell you right now, Rice White would have his ass handed to him in the WNBA. He's played.
three minutes of NBA and had zero points and is frankly a bit overweight for his age and for a man and for his height and all of that. So to see him, sure he's got five inches on these women. They would run, I know they would run over him. So there's part of me
Taina (42:54)
We're in circles around him, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (42:55)
that's just like, yeah, let him in. Let's see how long he lasts. But and to end this, I just want to say too, you don't just you can declare your I I can declare myself today eligible for the WNBA draft. I can tell you right now, not one team's gonna want me.
So these men can declare whatever the fuck they want, right? But ultimately what it
Taina (43:11)
Yeah. It's arbitrary.
It doesn't mean anything.
Becky Mollenkamp (43:14)
So they're causing all this stink. And the truth is, no team's gonna take them anyway because they are seven years out of like they haven't played in the WNBA for a few years. They're old at this point. There one of them is was never a great player to begin with, like not since college, and he's well past his college days. And the other and they're clearly a cancer to any locker room. So no team would want them anyway. So all of this for something that doesn't even it's not even real.
It's not even real. They can't even nobody's gonna take them. So But it's got people talking about it, including us. Alright. Anything you wanna end on?
Taina (43:48)
No, I just wanna say God, just fucking go read a book, touch grass, cheese.
Becky Mollenkamp (43:54)
Yes. And as somebody who has trans friends, who loves trans people, I'm sure that's both of us, like do yourself, give yourself the gift of meeting a trans person. You would you should
Taina (44:04)
Like
Becky Mollenkamp (44:04)
be so lucky.
Taina (44:05)
it just I and I say this, I've said this before, and I feel like I will say this until I'm blue in the face, until there's no air left in my lungs. But like, how miserable must be your existence to have such a limited perspective of the world and of humanity? Like that sounds fucking boring.
Becky Mollenkamp (44:26)
And and it do it just sounds like it sounds sad. Like it does it just like a really sad life.
Taina (44:30)
Yes, yes.
Becky Mollenkamp (44:32)
I feel like both those men must be really, really
Taina (44:32)
Like I just I cannot wrap my head around.
Becky Mollenkamp (44:35)
sad. I know to have so much hate for like people who actually just want to exist.
Taina (44:40)
They just
wanna just live their life like
Becky Mollenkamp (44:42)
What a crime. What a cry crap, Taina. Anyway. All right, well, if you're trans and listening, we love you.
Taina (44:48)
We love you.
Becky Mollenkamp (44:49)
All right. See you next week.
Becky Mollenkamp (44:51)
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