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Unashamed Unafraid is a show dedicated to being unashamed about sexual addiction recovery and unafraid of coming unto Christ for healing. Pornography and sexual addiction are not something you are stuck with to manage your whole life. We share real stories of recovery, the best resources, information from experts, and answer anonymous questions with those who know. All to help you on the path of being 100% healed from pornography and sexual addiction.
Speaker 17: Tryna walk the walk.
Truth on the mic, no shame
here, just real talk.
Came from the outside, never fit in.
Now we tell the story
and the healing begins.
No front, no mask, just telling the truth.
Keep it real, keep it raw,
speaking straight from the booth.
If you feeling like an
outsider, this one's for you.
Uh.
Yeah
Speaker 4: Welcome to another episode
of Unashamed, a show unashamed
about sexual addiction recovery
and unafraid of coming unto Christ
for healing Austin, welcome back.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: We're glad
to have you back, dude.
It's so nice
Speaker 2: to be back.
It's been a while.
Speaker 4: It has been a while.
You've been gone all summer.
For those of you who don't know,
Austin runs a nonpro- well, Austin,
I'll just let you speak to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
I run a nonprofit and part
of that is a summer camp.
And so part of my responsibilities
is to go down there and direct
that summer camp all summer long.
And so we take these
kids, 12 to 15 year olds.
They're, quote-unquote, like, good kids.
Like, we don't take kids who have a record
or a troubled youth or anything like that.
But they come down and
they go and do service.
For 20 days, they live on our
ranch, and every morning we wake
them up, and they go do service
for the farmers in Sanpete County.
They're mucking horse stalls,
bucking hay- ⦠building fences.
Like- Which is so awesome.
You know, some of these are kids
where their parents are like,
"This is what he loves to do.
He loves to work, but he also
loves to play and be outside."
And then other people are like, "All
my son does is play video games,
and he doesn't know how to work."
So we're like, "Well,
we'll put him to work."
So we do that in the mornings just fromâ¦
for like- Mm ⦠four hours, 6 to 8.
Then the rest of the day, we're rock
climbing, mountain biking, doing arts
and crafts, Dungeons & Dragons, building
things in our wood shop, and then on
the weekends, we're going backpacking.
But it's all focused on becoming
community leaders, connecting with
nature and disconnecting from technology
'cause they're not allowed to bring
their phones or anything like that.
It's a really cool, um,
outfit, and it's beenâ¦
I've been working for them for
a while and and it's just been
a huge blessing in my life.
Speaker 4: That's super cool, man.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
It, it's awesome.
Like- It
Speaker 4: seems like a really fulfilling-
Speaker 2: It's super
fulfilling ⦠thing to do.
And being like, such a small
nonprofit, like, I'm just every dayâ¦
Like Sam, I'm sure you feel the same way.
Every day you're just like, "I
don't know what I'm doing, but
I'm gonna figure it out today."
"And we'll just see where this takes us."
Yeah.
That's it.
But yeah.
So I've been, for this whole
summer, I've been working
100-plus hour weeks and then- Dang
the session end, like
the last session ended.
I went home and it was boom, went to
remote work for the next nine months
of, very flexible work schedule.
Speaker 4: So
Speaker 2: we- And so
⦠Speaker 4: the episode we
just released last week, was
Brotherhood Is Not Optional.
By the time we release
this, it'll probably be like
eight to 10 weeks ago, but-
Speaker 2: Yeah
Speaker 4: We had talked a lot about
your current state of recovery.
We recorded that literally the week
before you went out for the summer.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4: So- Give us an
update real quick on how things
have been for you in recovery.
Uh, that's a, that's a p- pretty hard task
to, work that much and manage recovery,
so I'm curious how it's been for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
It's been, um, lots of ups and downs.
Like I did have several relapses.
And I think it's been this huge adventure
of trying to figure all this out, where
when I'm living away from home, you know,
I'm away from my kids, I'm away from my
wife, and I have zero time for myself.
Being the director and being in
charge, I have people at any given
time needing my attention, asking me
questions, coming to me for stuff.
Like, the only time I have time for
myself is, like, in the bathroom
for those, like, five, 10 minutes
that I hide away from there.
But I'm up at 6:00, I'm going to
bed at, like, 1:00 in the morning.
Mm.
And so, I realized while I
was there that, um, when I was
struggling with these relapses,
I was just needing something for myself.
Like, I had no time for me, and
so it became, like, those moments
where, where I'd, give in to, to my
addiction was more just trying to
find something that was just for me
and no one else, and just have it.
But then I'd go home, and I've
been home for a few weeks now.
No problems at all.
Mm-hmm.
Literally, like, I think I j- I
built such a solid foundation at my
house and in my home life that I know
how to operate and how to put God
first in my recovery when I'm there.
But when I'm working away, on site, I'm
still figuring out how to put God first
in my recovery there, because my job
is so demanding for those three months.
I'm still struggling to figure out
how to keep God very much involved
in my recovery, and I've noticed
that's been a huge effect in my life.
Well, so
Speaker: let me ask you.
Is it, is it about putting God first?
Or is it about when you're home, you
know how to create safety for yourself,
and when you're away, you don't know
how to create safety for yourself?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
I mean, yeah,
Speaker: could be- It could
be a combination of all
that, but I'm ju- Right.
No, that's a- I'm statingâ¦
Wanted to point that out, right?
Speaker 2: No, that's a, that's
a very good way of stating it
and putting it, 'cause it is.
For those three months it's
not nothing's about me.
Like, I'm putting, I'm fighting
for these kids' hearts, I'm
fighting for my staff's heart.
Mm.
I'm putting everything
out on the table for them.
I'm not concerned about my safety or what
I'm needing or anything like that, and
so then things start coming out sideways.
But when I'm home, I do have
that time and that space to
be like, "What is safe for me?
What, what do I need?
What needs to happen to make sure that
I'm in a good space, for my recovery?"
Um, so yeah, I need to kind of
figure out how do I create those
safe spaces, in the other aspects
of my job, which is a big question.
Yeah.
I'm still figuring it out.
Speaker: What I, I think- Yeah, sounds
like it ⦠I know we were gonna go
a different direction, but I wanna
even maybe go deeper into this too,
because I know there's a lot of people
out there that travel- Mm ⦠that
leave or li- maybe they're gone for
a while fro- away from their spouses
or, or whatever, and what do they do?
That's where a lot of times where
they, they may act out, but at
home- Totally ⦠they don't.
Speaker 4: Totally.
Right?
That was my dad- And so- ⦠to a T.
I mean, ev- my, my mom knew that the,
what she found on, on my dad's history
was him viewing pornography because it
was while he was on, a business trip.
I mean, that's-
Speaker: Yeah
Speaker 4: that was when he would act out.
And especially if, prostitution
or, uh, affairs- Yeah ⦠is
part of your acting out.
That's a, that's a easy time to
get access to, women and have no
accountability for it, so- Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 3: Definitely.
Sometimes that's the culture of the
business- Totally ⦠that you're
going on the trip with, where- Totally.
Yep ⦠that's kind of the s-
expected behavior of everyone
who goes, which is- Yeah.
Yeah ⦠crazy.
Speaker: I, I work with a lot
of like summer sales guys.
Right.
Yeah.
And so that, that is very much
a big culture for- a lot and drugs and
alcohol and, because they're making a lot
of money in such a short amount of time.
Speaker 4: Mm.
Speaker: And a lot of them
are younger dudes that are
just like- Mm ⦠early 20s.
They have no idea how to manage
money, and they're like, "I'm making
80 grand in three months or 100
grand in three months," and they're
like, "I'm like rolling, man.
Like, I can do whatever," and
then they, they blow it all and
they're like, "Now what do I do?"
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker: You know?
But they're blowing it on prostitutes.
Like I see a lot of that,
even, even married guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Mm.
Speaker: Um, and then even, uh,
obviously porn use, a lot of, like,
cocaine, will be in a lot of that too.
Um, not, not so much meth.
I don't, I don't hear much with meth, but,
prescription drugs, totally part of it.
So they'll go into a lot of that stuff
because they're just out and about.
It's a different lifestyle.
I'm doing a, a keynote for the Utah
Dental Association in their fa-
their conference this, November.
It's a mental health conference , and,
for out of professionals, the dentists
have the highest suicide rate.
Speaker 4: Mm.
Speaker: Yeah.
But they're having me come- I've heard
that ⦠and talk about relationships,
like addiction and relationships.
Speaker 4: Hmm.
Speaker: Because they don't
know how to have relationships.
They don't know how to do that,
and so when they go away for dental
conferences, a lot of times they're
looking for something to make them come
\ alive because they're so
wrapped up in their work.
And then when they, they go and
they have this week being out in
this conference, and they don't
know how to have a relationship
with their family life at home.
And so they're just like, "Well,
I need to find something to make
my feel, make me feel alive."
And so they step out
on the marriage and- Mm
have affairs and all sorts of stuff.
And so, going back to, to where,
where we started from, so Austin,
what would you do differently, like,
seeing this in hindsight and being
like, now that you recognize I had
sobriety before leaving, and then
didn't have it when I was out, and then
when you came back, you had sobriety.
So what would you do different
for you even though your
schedule was, like, crazy?
Speaker 2: Some of the things that
I've thought of, of like what, what
could work is creating some more
space there hasn't been a necessarily
been like a defined this is what
the director does during the summer.
It's kind of just been I'm gonna do my
thing, and then when I, I'm done with this
thing, I'm gonna hop into the next thing.
And so just literally writing it out and
just making it very, very clear of like,
"Okay, this is my role as the director,
and I'm going to have these times where I
cannot be bothered," where it's just like
from this time to this time, even if it's
like 30 minutes or 20 minutes, I'm just
gonna say, "Don't, don't reach out to me.
Don't talk to me.
Like I'm gonna be, um, in my space,"
'cause I have like a separate
living space on the property.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: "I'm gonna be in there.
Don't reach out for me for this time."
And if I can just take even that, even
10 to 15 minutes at a time and just
be like, "Okay, this is just for me.
This is my time," whatever it may be.
For me, I, you know, we've talked about
on the podcast before, like I write, and
I write these letters to God and stuff.
And it's so freaking hot out there.
I tried to write nine
or 10 different times.
Every time, my pen was dried out.
It was insane.
I neededâ¦
I think I just need to switch to pencils.
I don't know.
Just like to have that space where I can
write, where I can take care of myself
and keep this connection with God, like-
I need to show it to you guys 'cause
it's like my book, every entry for
the past like three months has started
with, "Dear God, I'm so sorry it's been
so long since I've written to you."
Mm.
"I'm sorry that I've ignored you.
I'm sorry that I haven't been
connecting with you, um, because
I haven't been putting it first."
And creating that space, I think
is, is what I need, is just a little
bit of time where it's this is
Austin's time during the workday of
just like, "Please leave me alone."
'Cause it is.
I can't walk across our
lodge, which is not very big.
I can't walk across the main floor
without being stopped eight times-
Right ⦠by somebody asking, you
know, "Can you get me a Band-Aid?
Can you answer this for me?
We're having this problem."
Which I love.
I love being that guy.
I absolutely love it, but- You
need to take care of yourself
it becomes very, very taxing.
Yeah.
And if I can't take care of
myself I've got no shot at
being successful in recovery.
At least that's, that's my opinion,
Speaker 4: What we're really
talking about is how do I build
a, a recovery lifestyle, right?
There's some permanent changes
every single person is gonna have
to make to their life if they're
not living in recovery in order
to, be recovered and get sober.
It can happen kind of at a structural
level, like my career, the systems in
my life and then lower level changes.
Like I have the time, I'm just not
deciding to use it to take care of myself.
That's kinda how I would see.
I don't know if you have better
language for that, Chris, I found
myself a lot of times in the same
boat that Austin is describing.
I think particularly for personalities
like we Austin and I both run nonprofits.
Like, there's a very specific
personality type that ends up
running a nonprofit, and so I, I
kinda resonate with that same thing.
I don't take time for myself.
It's almost a strategy to disassociate, to
give to other people so that I don't have
to deal with what's going on inside of me.
So making a structural change
there has been big for me.
Yeah.
I used to work 50 to 60-hour weeks a
lot of time, consistently for years,
and I finally crashed and burned.
And now I'm like, "Hey, I'm not
working more than 30 hours a week
if I'm in school at the same time."
Yeah.
You know?
And my school's only about 10
hours a week so we're doing okay.
But I've had to make some of those
structural shifts too, because you,
you, you cannot live in recovery.
You cannot become recovered if you don't
make some lifestyle shifts that make
it possible for you to meet your needs.
Speaker: Totally.
Speaker 4: You have to meet the needs.
Speaker: Well, and I, and I think
being aware of that is one of the
biggest things to note, right?
Because going into this, youâ¦
The last time you did this, you
didn't have sobriety going into it.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker: So, you learned something
from this, these relapses.
You're like, "Hey, I actually, now I, uh,
I went into it going sober, and I'm, Iâ¦
Everything's good.
I don't need to take care of myself."
But then you're like, "Oh, shit,
apparently, I apparently do."
So, so- Well, yeah ⦠I have to do stuff.
And so that's where the learningâ¦
We can always learn from relapses.
Almost acting out or slipping or whatever.
We can learn from those experiences
and be like, "God, what are you
trying to teach me right now?"
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker: Like, I've been at
this thing for years and years,
and , just acted out again.
So, like, what do I
need to learn from this?
And like you're just saying, I just need
to set up some boundaries to say, "Hey,
don't bother me for 15, 20 minutes."
I just need that time for me,
because you know how important it
is for you to show up for yourself.
Mm-hmm.
Because when youâ¦
It's like when you're flying, right?
They're like, "Put your own mask on
first so that you can then help others."
You gotta do the same thing when
you're doing that for all those kids.
You know going into it next year, "Hey,
I gotta be more vigilant in making sure
that I have boundaries in place, and I
gotta honor those boundaries for myself
so that I can show up for myself."
'Cause look how well you show up
for these, these youth right now.
The man that you can show up for
them even when you're taking care of
yourself instead of, like, goingâ¦
It, maybe there's, um, I guarantee
there was some shame there after acting
out and having seven, eight months of
sobriety, and then you're going into it,
and then you're acting out, and you're
like, "Something is still wrong with me."
No, you just acted out.
Doesn't mean anything's wrong with you.
Yeah.
And you can learn from it and
be like, "I know what I need
to do next time this comes up."
Speaker 2: It's been really cool to,
to have a mind shift of looking at
relapses as it's just information.
It's just information of,
okay, you know, I messed up.
What, what led to that?
What information can I gather from
this to do better the next time?
But also, I've found even, like,
when I went in to the summer
and everything, I was like, "Oh,
before I go to bed, I'm gonna, you
know, take the time to do this."
But every night I was so exhausted.
Like, literally, in my brain, I would
just think, "I could read my book.
I could write.
I could do this," every night.
It was just, I just wanna numb out.
Like, literally, that was the thought.
Like, I just- Yeah ⦠I wanna lay
in bed and watch YouTube videos
for, like- Mm ⦠three hours
or, you know, whatever because-
Speaker: Did you say, "I deserve this"?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all the time.
I'd be like, "I deserve this.
I worked so hard."
Yeah.
And I did.
I worked so hard.
Yeah.
But, nothing ever good
came from it, you know?
I would, I would either stay up till
3:00 in the morning and then be up
at 6:00 and crash and burn so hard.
But it was literally that
thought of I just wanna check
out for the next little bit.
Which I think, at times, in
a controlled way, is okay to
check out every now and then.
Not, not, not in the sense of relapsing,
but, like, you know, just to give
your brain a break and just let go.
But, like you, Chris, I know, like, with
TikTok and those things, like you've
got, screen timers and things where it's
like, "Okay, like, time to take a break."
Yep.
Like, that's, that's important to have,
where it's like, "Okay, I am gonna
check out," but I know I have this
safeguard that's gonna, like, bring
me back in and be like, "All right-
Totally ⦠it's been five minutes.
It's been 10 minutes.
Let's, let's hop back into this,"
'cause- Mm ⦠it sucks you in so fast.
And the next thing you know, it's like,
oh my gosh, it is 3:00 in the morning.
Like I, I need to go to bed.
Speaker: Well, I think when you said,
"I deserve it," or when I asked you,
you know, did you say, "I deserve
this," so- Yeah ⦠changing that,
those words and saying, "I deserve
to fight for my own heart right now."
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Looking at it that way, 'cause
then it also takes away the shame
to be like, "I don't wanna numb out.
I wanna fight for my own heart."
What does that look like?
And maybe it's gonna be different.
Maybe it's like, you know what?
I just need some downtime where I don't
have to think about everybody else, and
I can, I can do that by just checking
out on YouTube, if it's safe for you.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker: Right?
Right.
'Cause if you know it's not safe, then
you're like, "I know it's not safe for
me, so that's not where I'm gonna go."
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: But it's like Iâ¦
Looking at it as I deserve
to fight for my own heart.
Speaker 4: Some of the most
restorative stuff I've done in my
life actually requires a high level
of discipline, and that's what,
something that's been a shift for me.
It's not large amounts of dopamine
in very quick amounts of time, right?
Right.
It's not scrolling, it's not porn, it's
not, disassociating and fantasizing.
It's none of those things.
Uh, I think that- But rest is
Speaker: a need
Speaker 4: Yes, rest is a need.
Right?
Right.
So, so you have to find it in a way,
and sometimes that requires discipline.
Sometimes it's like, I know I actually
need to go to bed right now, and it feels
more restful, or I should say it feels
more easy to just scroll for two more
hours, but I'm gonna turn my phone off
and I'm gonna go to bed because that's
meeting- Yeah ⦠the need that I have.
I think that kinda lends itself to
a larger conversation about body.
Something that happens really, and
I've just literally the last two months
realized this, and I've spent so much
time editing the Unashamed Unafraid
guidebook, it's getting drilled into me.
You
Speaker: may have gone through it a couple
Sam: times.
Yeah.
But the first thing that happens when
you experience shame is you start to
become disassociated from your body.
The first thing that happens when
you numb is you start to become
disassociated from your body.
And If it wasn't safe
Speaker 4: to
Sam: acknowledge and honor your
needs growing up, you've probably
become pretty disassociated from the
things that your body is telling you.
Like, our body tells us amazing things.
I didn't realize until recently
that that feeling I get in my chest-
Speaker: Hmm
⦠Speaker 4: when I'm starting to get
stressed out, and it, it's always
the precursor to acting out, usually
means there's too much stimulus in my
environment and I have already ignored
a few signals that are telling me I
need to take a break and breathe or eat.
It's usually- Hmm ⦠a basic food, water-
Speaker: Yeah
⦠Speaker 4: right?
I had no idea that that was the case.
It like blew my mind.
I, I was just- ⦠sitting
there like editing a podcast
one day and it was like, bing.
Oh my gosh.
Dude, my body's telling me
it's time to take a break.
It's time to go meet a need.
And that, that, that whole conversation
about meeting needs and being
self-aware, I think has really,
started to hit home for me now.
It, before I understood it at a
logical level, but it was flying right
over- Right ⦠my head, you know?
In fact, I think, Chris, you and I did
some coaching and you were talking about
meeting needs, and I was not there yet.
I was like, "What?"
Yeah, I know.
That's awesome.
This isâ¦
I had some breakthroughs logically- Right?
And logically
Speaker: in your head
you're like, "Totally
Sam: get it" ⦠but you, you
kept saying like, "Hey, do this."
Like, you know, you were teaching me
some really powerful concepts, and
I wasn't doing them 'cause I, I just
genuinely was like, "I don't get it."
And I didn't see all the time my body was
sending me these signals all the time.
"Hey, dude, you're thirsty.
Just drink water.
You're tired.
It's time to go to bed.
Hey, you're exhausted.
It's not time to go ask
your wife what she needs."
There's another time for that.
I think every man who has ever struggled
with any addiction has experienced
something very similar to that.
I, I think it's impossible not to.
That's just the process of what happens.
Speaker 3: Well, I think
this specific addiction too-
Speaker 4: Yeah
⦠Speaker 3: is an unhealthy
relationship with your body.
Speaker 4: Ah, for sure.
Speaker 3: And for me, fitness was a
huge part of reestablishing- Mm ⦠a
healthy relationship with my body.
Totally.
And recognizing this kind
of stuff as well is likeâ¦
It's, it's beautiful
when you realize, like
All the different things that, that
has been put into our system, into
this temple to be able to Help.
Speaker 4: For anyone who's not
familiar with your story, Joshua,
just give them a quick rundown of,
like, where you were at your highest
weight and, what things were like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've
lost, like, 80 pounds.
I was really depressed.
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker: I didn't know you lost 80 pounds.
How
Speaker 4: did I not know that?
Yeah, Josh was,
Speaker 3: like, severely obese.
I'll have to show you a picture.
I was, I was, uh, Y-
Speaker 4: in your own
words, you said that.
Speaker 3: I was, I was not- Was he obese?
Speaker 4: Severely
Speaker 3: obese.
I was, yeah.
There was a time when I would
watch UFC fights- These whole
Speaker: things are such shit
because it says that I'm obese.
It does.
Right.
I'm
Speaker 3: like,
Speaker: "What are you talking about?"
Speaker 3: You're the most
jacked guy I've ever met.
I'm, like, pretty sure I'm
Speaker: not obese.
Speaker 3: Well, that wasâ¦
I would watch UFC fights and see that
the, the heavyweights, I weighed more
than them, and I did not look strong.
Yeah.
And I was like, "Ooh, something
needs to change here."
But yeah, I was just really
depressed, and, I hated myself.
I hated everything about myself.
And,, I ended up in a mental health
clinic for a little while, and when
I got out, I, I wanted to get off
of my,, SSRIs, and I, I knew that
fitness was Like, the most tried and
true way to, help your mental health
more than twice as effective as SSRIs.
And so I started working out, and I
was able to, like, see progress and see
myself get stronger and realize that,
there was one thing I had control over in
my life- Yeah ⦠and it was my health.
And then it helped me to learn
that it's possible to improve,
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3: And it was, it was a major
part of my recovery, I think it is,
I mean, often for lots of people.
Speaker 4: I think countless men have
seen the results in their own behavior
and recovery as they've started
developing a better relationship
with their body and meeting the
needs of their body physically.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
That's what you said, too, like, a,
a low effort, high reward, right?
Yeah.
You get that dopamine burst and you
fall below the baseline afterwards.
You come back down, you don't settle down.
125 milligrams per
deciliter is the baseline-
Speaker 5: Okay
Speaker 3: for dopamine.
But when you use drugs or you use
pornography, you get a huge spike and
you, your baseline is lower than that.
Mm.
And that keeps going down until you
can't produce it without some sort
of stimulant outside of your body.
And you have to do something
opposite of that, which is what
you were talking about earlier.
You have to do something that takes
some effort, that has lasting rewards.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's not a
low effort, high reward.
You need high effort, lasting reward.
Speaker 4: I'm just starting to
realize that, that discipline is
always gonna be a part of life.
Yeah.
You can't live life without discipline.
But life with discipline feels much more
restful than a life without discipline.
Speaker 3: That's so
Speaker 4: crazy.
That's also- But that's true
⦠which is such a crazy paradox.
Speaker: Well, 'cause I think, I think you
go into shame when you're not disciplined.
Totally.
You, like, totally start shaming yourself.
Totally.
And be like, "I shoulda done this, and
I shoulda done that, and I wish I did
this," and, you know, all the things,
and you're just going right into shame.
Yeah.
And that can be exhausting.
Yeah.
I'm sure all our listeners out
there, you get exhausted from all
the freaking shame that you feel.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
All right, guys, we wanna hear from you.
Let us know.
Send us an email, Sam, Chris
at UnashamedUnafraid@â¦
What do you need to do to
start taking care of yourself?
What are the needs in your
life that are not being met?
Where do you need to have
more discipline in your life?
Not from a shame standpoint, not to earn
it, but just to have more discipline
to meet the basic needs so that you
can take the next step in recovery.
We wanna hear from you.
Send us an email.
We'd love to get your feedback and
just connect with you as you guys are-
Speaker: I wa- I wanna add a question.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker: What have youâ¦
learned from the last time you acted out?
Yeah.
' Speaker 4: Cause there's
Speaker: always an unmet
Speaker 4: need.
Speaker: So, so what, what was it that you
learned from the last time you acted out?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker: Shoot us an email.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
I will end by telling you what I
learned from the last time I acted out.
I acted out, Friday actually.
I was at a family reunion, and what
I found is, this is my wife's family.
We are trying to figure out a lot of
things with my wife's family right now.
It can be difficult, , to be my
authentic self in those settings.
And, I didn't have a plan going
into that weekend to know how I was
gonna take breaks and honor my needs
as I went into the family reunion.
I know this is an issue.
I know I don't feel safe a lot of the
times when I'm around them, right?
Yeah.
And so I had no plan.
I just went in.
So there you go..
Time to make a plan.
. Speaker: We should do a podcast
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