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Ducktails - woohoo!!
The boys are talking about the random spawning of ducks in Steve's house, conference travel, new website url's they bought and Steve's changing jobs.
The whisky of the episode? The Ledaig Castaway - which turns out to be superb!
The boys are talking about the random spawning of ducks in Steve's house, conference travel, new website url's they bought and Steve's changing jobs.
The whisky of the episode? The Ledaig Castaway - which turns out to be superb!
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What is Office 365 Distilled?
This podcast is presented by Marijn and Steve; two experienced Microsoft 365 and SharePoint consultants. In each podcast you will get a smile or two with a chunk of interesting and practical help in Microsoft 365. Then you get introduced you to what we hope is a Whisky you have not tasted before.
Hey. Hey.
Speaker 2:Woody. It's ducks.
Speaker 1:Ducks. It's ducks everywhere. Ducks. Hello, my duck. Ducks everywhere.
Speaker 1:It's just me being weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I love it. I mean, I didn't I didn't spot any of these. So as as a dear listener, as a little background story for you, Steve's house has been infested by these little ducks that are just everywhere, and now I keep spotting them everywhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's funny. It started off because you've seen the shops around everywhere where they sell the ducks from different countries and the different types of ducks.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. These those little ducks that you put in the bath that...
Speaker 1:And I think... What was it? I went out at Christmas, December. That must have been December. In Brussels, been drinking
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Just a little.
Speaker 2:As usual.
Speaker 1:And I went past the store. It was still open because tourists love them, and I went and bought three ducks.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And I bought a computer duck. I bought a duck with large boobs, and I bought a duck for something else. I can't remember. So I just put them in the place. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then when I was browsing through Timu just playing around on the site, I found, I wonder if they got any ducks and they got hundreds of them. All different kinds of different ducks with different... There's a ski and duck up on there. There's a Blues Brothers duck hiding around the corner and yeah there's a few of them. So I kind of got into the habit of just sticking them around the house and people suddenly go, is that a duck up there?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah it is, it's funny. Is that a duck? Go, I usually get shocked. Fuck where did that come from?
Speaker 1:But the classic one is I have one of those fans and my daughters love it so when they come around and they see there's ducks waiting to be placed they try and hide them in the house. Yeah. So I can't see them and they threw one right up because I have three meter ceilings, four meter ceilings and they threw one up on the fan lock but it landed on its ear. Yeah. But nobody can get up there to turn it round and I haven't got around to doing it yet.
Speaker 1:So yes, duck off.
Speaker 2:Duck off, yes.
Speaker 1:Okay. And of course what spotted you was I have get your ducks in a row. Yeah. Which is maybe about a 100 tiny little ducks inside test tubes. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So we'll take some pictures and we'll include the ducks in the image of the... Upload the photograph.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So this is duck tales today.
Speaker 2:Duck tales.
Speaker 1:Woo hoo. Nice. Welcome everybody. We're back. It seems like a long time.
Speaker 1:We've been so freaking busy.
Speaker 2:Everyone's busy. Everyone's 10x ing their work with
Speaker 1:10x ing?
Speaker 2:Five coding and all this.
Speaker 1:10x ing 10 times in their work. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So do your agents already have agent managers?
Speaker 1:An agent manager. Can't you tell you went to a conference? Yes.
Speaker 2:I went, yeah. Well, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Have your agents got a manager? Well, that's interesting considering the Friday afternoon I had talking about a potential new project. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. So no, I was basically listening to a podcast and the guy was talking about coders that he works with. All went... They all look like vampires now.
Speaker 2:Because they all got AI. And you would think that with all the AI they would work less. But they're spinning up 10 to 20 agents to do the right code for them. To vibe code stuff. And they got so excited that they're not sleeping, not eating, not drinking anymore.
Speaker 2:But they're just giving more stuff to the AI to do. And and yeah, it's been running full stop. I don't wanna see their token build, but...
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Oh, interesting. I did register a new domain on Friday. Okay.
Speaker 1:Agent365.com. Asian?
Speaker 2:Agent360.com. Is that still available?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2:Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice.
Speaker 2:Okay. Okay. I think I've got... Which would send you a picture of one. What was that?
Speaker 2:Mycopilot365.ai. Yeah. That's the one. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The dot ai ones are incredibly expensive.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:So why didn't you do it?
Speaker 2:So I bought it last year and then it was, I don't know, €90 or something. And then I got an email from from my provider from GoDaddy like, oh, yeah. Do you want this to automatically renew?
Speaker 1:Of Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. So now I got the PayPal thing like, €300.
Speaker 2:Oh, crap. Okay.
Speaker 1:Oh, that was a domain name.
Speaker 2:That was the domain name.
Speaker 1:I thought that was one of your token bills.
Speaker 2:No. No. No. That was the domain name. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So this communications thing that you're so good at, you sent the screenshot but I had no idea what it was.
Speaker 2:Thought that was self explanatory. No. Okay.
Speaker 1:So what are you gonna use the domain for?
Speaker 2:I have no No idea.
Speaker 1:But now something.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah. Yeah. So a few weeks ago I was talking to Stalled Hanssen about some stuff. About... Well, basically about doing some work with them, like liaisoning with them.
Speaker 2:Liaison.
Speaker 1:A licent liaison?
Speaker 2:This is not gonna be dangerous liaisons with him.
Speaker 1:Liaisons.
Speaker 2:Because he's very on the safe side.
Speaker 1:He was... That says so much.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But you should apologize. Well, you'll have to apologize when you see him. There we go.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Anyway.
Speaker 1:You're too safe, brother.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And then the... He's... One of his shticks was like, oh, if you liaison with us, then you can give your customers also like the the Microsoft official training and the discounts and whatever. And but that's all around AI.
Speaker 2:And I was like, yeah, but I don't do AI. None of my customers want anything to do with AI. So I don't know. And I basically told him, you know what? Give me the summer so I can think about where I want to go with this.
Speaker 2:Because I kind of want to do more with AI because I haven't done check shit with AI. But I don't know what would be a good value proposition. Do I want to do like seminars? Do I want to do like full day whatever or implementations? I've got no idea.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I got a new session, presentation session on AI in departments, and it's really about an AI model. So we talked a bit about governance, but it's about a model because one AI model will not fit the whole company. So finance will do different things, the HR will do different things to
Speaker 2:IT Yeah, and the different business cases.
Speaker 1:So the idea of the presentation is to talk about how on their particular SharePoint sites AI is used in different kind of ways. Mhmm. So the idea is to use a very clear friend of mine of ours who knows this shit backwards, but how you can upload content and it will do different things for you based upon what AI reads from it. Got just like CV management for HR, like maybe checking contracts for legal. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it and it will use workflow to look and assess the document, and then it will do whatever it needs
Speaker 2:And then do on kick off some AI actions.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. So the the idea really is that... And it's the reason that you're struggling a bit to work out where AI is going is because we don't... I don't think we're close enough to customers to know where AI needs to sit.
Speaker 1:So there's a like a pre... Like, you know, one of the things that Copilot does really good, hey, prepare for this meeting. You know? Hey, prepare Yeah. For this that's the biggest issue.
Speaker 1:I spoke to a customer the other day and they... And I said, hey, you doing anything on AI? He went, yeah, we're playing around with it. We've got a few bits going on with, you know, Cursor or a few bits going on with Claude or but nobody has any real idea yet
Speaker 2:on That's where they're kind of the story that I'm hearing a lot. Like, I'm playing around with it, but I've got no real business case. And funny enough, last week, so there's a... How do you call that? Like a house sales guy.
Speaker 1:A realtor.
Speaker 2:A realtor, yes.
Speaker 1:Estate agent. You're an England estate agent. Yeah. If you're an America realtor. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So he... It's the guy that sells houses.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1:For Ireland. Oops. Or Poland. Oops. Behave yourself.
Speaker 1:We'll simplify it for you.
Speaker 2:Well, basically he's been setting up this structure where he's liaison with a 100.
Speaker 1:You like that word,
Speaker 2:don't Yeah, do. Now I do. Yeah. We're like 50 or a 100 different Liaisons. Organizations that are also selling houses to share like incoming deals and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:And he was saying like, oh, I played around with some AI to... So when you sell a house, you need to make a... In Dutch, we call it the Compromi.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So like the the master document for the sale. And that needs to contain a bunch of information from a number of other documents like the asbestos report. Yeah. And the... Well a bunch So of other he was like, yeah, but I kind of made it so that with one prompt I can now have it draft that document with the information based from the other documents.
Speaker 2:And that's a real business case. That's something that he is doing like every day, every week, whatever. And that will take a lot of time away from his hands.
Speaker 1:No. I I think I agree with that. I can I can see where that works, but he could also have done that with a thousand other things previously, but he never did? A thousand is a slightest No.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But
Speaker 1:mean... But but anyway, I don't want to diss that. Think you're right, it's a good business case. And I think it's one that can be improved. But I do worry a little bit and I hopefully will try and do something to change it.
Speaker 1:I do worry that people will do the same thing as workflow. So they go, hey, look, we've got workflow and apparently it's low code and I can do it. And then they start getting on it and find it was too difficult, so they're never bothered. Not that they went to try and find somebody to do it, it was such a strong driver to go do this, They never bothered. And I still think we we...
Speaker 1:That you have to start AI three steps up the stairs. Yeah. For the moment, you need to start there. And until we get to the point where you start from step one and you clearly do something and you get results from it, then you can go on step two and step three, then I think we might end up with the same thing. So I'm sitting there trying to work out how to...
Speaker 1:How we can help people do that. I'm trying to coin the phrase... Well, it's an old phrase, but I'm trying to recoin the phrase in a slightly different way, AI as a service. Mhmm. I like that.
Speaker 1:That I go in and do it for you, but actually you buy the service with with instant value. Yeah. And then basically, I'll screw you for every other cent after that, but it's about getting you in there on that first and second step. No. No.
Speaker 1:No. Seriously. It it has to help deliver value quickly. Yes. So so I'm I'm playing around with that, and that's might be something to do.
Speaker 1:Because as you say, finished... I I told you earlier that I finished at Lineaus. I'm now on a notice period as a part of their restructure and reorganizing, and I've had a really good time there. And I think that when the company gets itself sorted out, it'll be magic. But I...
Speaker 1:So I'm I'm changing back again. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do yet. So anybody wants a really good infrastructure manager, I really really enjoyed it. And I was so... The the thing that annoyed me more than anything else is the projects that we've got in the next eighteen months.
Speaker 1:I was so damn excited by them. Yeah. And now, I mean, I'm sure I'll stay in touch with with the team and everything to find out what's happening. But, you know, we were gonna move a data center into the cloud and I was just... It was gonna be so cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So cool. But not so cool now. No. Yes.
Speaker 1:Anyway,
Speaker 2:I'm hearing more and more people talking about maybe we should move back from the cloud back to on prem. So we can run a local L and M on our things and we have local AI so we don't have to pay all the tokens to the big providers.
Speaker 1:Having an LLM doesn't stop you having spending tokens with somebody that's going to do the processing for you.
Speaker 2:Well, no. Do the whole the whole processing on your own machine, in your own data center.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I don't know about that. I actually... How do I want to say this? I don't know about that.
Speaker 2:No, I know.
Speaker 1:I actually don't.
Speaker 2:I'm always hearing wild stories. I heard a wild story of somebody installing like a full running AI on a Texas Instrument calculator. Yes. I've
Speaker 1:seen those. But it still... It doesn't it doesn't... As far as I understand, you still have to send it to chat GPT and bring it back.
Speaker 2:Okay. Okay.
Speaker 1:As far as I understand, I really... Maybe next time we talk, we'll maybe we'll set ourselves a goal before the next podcast. To
Speaker 2:actually research some
Speaker 1:of
Speaker 2:the things that we're saying.
Speaker 1:We'll ask AI before it Yeah. Because I was talking to Sven on Friday about the same subject and I said, okay, look, want you to go back. If I'm gonna try and sell AI as a service or if we're gonna try and create it, they're gonna wanna go, what is it? So I says, just tell me. And he baffled me with a few drawings and I took pictures of the drawings and I asked Holly and Holly baffled me with a few things.
Speaker 1:And I kinda get it, but there's these gray spaces in between things, and you go, yeah, but what's what's actually happening in that space?
Speaker 2:That's where you come in.
Speaker 1:I hope so one day.
Speaker 2:That's where you deliver the extra bits, the mayonnaise between the sandwiches.
Speaker 1:Yep. Maybe. But I... Anyway, I think it's I think it's the black art. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:I understood SharePoint black art. I do understood for years. And I will absolutely get back on top of it. But Yeah. But I think that's part of the issue at the moment is people have to start from the step three and we need to get them so that they can step into AI on step one and work their way up step two and really start to get value at three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. And I think if we don't do that, there might be a lot of big data centers that don't get as much work through them as they thought they might.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's... That would be a pity because everyone's building data centers left, and center.
Speaker 1:No. I I agree with you. Yeah. And I think it it will still change the bigger programs
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:But it will be driven by the SAPs and by the big applications and the big mainframes of this world. So maybe I'll get the real value of it and and I think we might miss it on the front. Yeah. Because, you
Speaker 2:know... I do agree.
Speaker 1:So we... But that's fine. But maybe we're just so low at the bottom. We're still we talked a few podcasts ago about AI being driven from the bottom upwards to the top downwards. And maybe the bottom upwards is a bit limited.
Speaker 1:But I have not really had any thinking time in the last two to three weeks with Commsverse Television and Hamburg and...
Speaker 2:Yeah. Let's let's... Maybe we should talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 1:Did you hear any good AI stuff at PPC?
Speaker 2:To be honest, I haven't been in many sessions at EPPC.
Speaker 1:You were busy making videos about how cool it was in the exhibition space?
Speaker 2:Just one.
Speaker 1:No. I happened to catch it on YouTube.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:What's he up to? What's that little microphone he's got?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Apparently, I got I got that from someone else as well. That that she was saying like, every time I open up YouTube, you're you're... I see your face. Like, get away.
Speaker 2:Yes. That was funny. But so so basically, we went... Let's let's talk about our our road trip. Road trip.
Speaker 2:Road trip.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yes. So we did the very last at this point in time, the current last Commsverse Yeah. 2026 as that seems to have finished for now.
Speaker 2:Yeah. The hottest edition by far.
Speaker 1:Yes. So let's just say the jury is out whether there'll be a twenty twenty seven one. So we'll see. Not that I've heard anything. It's just that the last video was, you know, well, I wanna take the time off.
Speaker 1:Yeah. He said he had lots of people talking to him. And we got asked to do the Comms versus television again. We had a great time doing it.
Speaker 2:Yes. We had Shure as a podcast
Speaker 1:partner before Shure I brought their podcast desk and their podcast microphones, which I absolutely loved, Shure. Thank you very much indeed.
Speaker 2:Was a very cool desk.
Speaker 1:It was a very good. Yeah. That was good. You like the lights, didn't you?
Speaker 2:That as well, but also just like the desk with the with the metal frame on top where we can hang up a few things.
Speaker 1:Certainly, it was better than having a bunch of high tables in there.
Speaker 2:So that
Speaker 1:was great. Anyway, we've been recorded eight, nine videos. Be honest. And met some really cool people.
Speaker 2:Yeah. We always do.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's true. Maybe we'll come back to that. What did you learn from the people we interviewed? So I'll let you think about that for a minute or two.
Speaker 1:But we did the usual thing, one hour show talking to some suppliers and all that kind of thing at the great Mercedes center in Brooklyn, which was cool. Oh, very cool. We had a slapdash across Europe. Yes.
Speaker 2:We went all the way down from Weybridge near London, all the way down to Dover, Took the boat to Dunkirk. Yeah. Drove all the way up to Antwerp. Had a short but well needed rest. And then in the morning we drove from Antwerp all the way up to Hamburg.
Speaker 2:Yes. That was that was that was a fun trip.
Speaker 1:For the collab days. Yeah. Was good. Yeah. It was very enjoyable.
Speaker 1:Yeah. We got a chance to... We don't often get time to talk the three of us like about what we're doing and stuff So like that was good fun.
Speaker 2:True.
Speaker 1:And then we did three podcasts in Hamburg, and Marijn just prostituted himself around whenever there was no decision.
Speaker 2:Well, if you have the rapper bomb there, so there there has
Speaker 1:be I wasn't talking about
Speaker 2:There has to be. Yeah. No. No. No.
Speaker 2:But I mean Hamburg is known for all these things, so I have to prostitute myself a little bit. Yeah. So basically a few people dropped out of the event, and I happily filled out some space.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like a good Swiss army He had a blade for every
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah. No, that was really cool. And then Sunday, Marijn did some work and we cleared out and clear up, which was all good. So Martin and the crew, thank you very much indeed. I know I've still got to listen to all the tapes and create the Hamburg tapes.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But I will do that. And then we all went off for a rather special spectacular meal at a restaurant that's been there for nearly a hundred years or something. Yeah. Was so big and it was so bloody hot.
Speaker 2:Yes. That... Yes. Without a doubt, it was very hot.
Speaker 1:And you think you tasted a Lefreugue whiskey from the original batches of fifteen years ago when it was really, really smoky.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Because it was so good. Yeah. And last time I tasted a quarter cask, it was just... It was good.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But this one was just blowing me out of park. This just amazing.
Speaker 1:No. That was that was pretty cool. Mhmm. So so yes, Hamburg was good. The Reaper bomb was good.
Speaker 1:The people we went out with was pretty cool on the Yeah. On the night.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It made me laugh when when one or two of them realized we walked into a strip bar. Yeah. And then they tried to get their money back. That ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 1:New.
Speaker 2:New. New. New. Oops.
Speaker 1:So that was neat. Yeah. And then I found the largest sex store in the world, I think. It was bloody huge. Hamburg is a very, very strange city.
Speaker 1:It is. It's...
Speaker 2:But beautiful.
Speaker 1:Yes. Very much so. The river's nice. Yeah. And you didn't...
Speaker 1:You've still not seen the Euphonium Hall yet, have you?
Speaker 2:No. Because...
Speaker 1:Amazing building with a stage that's like scooped out the roof and it hangs on the top of the building. It's a solid concrete structure. It's like this round bowl, seats on the outside stage in the middle. It's part of the building, but it's just spectacular. Acoustics are amazing.
Speaker 2:Alright.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, just one strange building.
Speaker 2:Okay. Of many. Yeah. Well, I haven't seen much from Hamburg. It's been...
Speaker 2:It's the second time I've been to Hamburg, and I feel like I've seen as much as the first time.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Whereas places like Bremen and Gdansk and Gdynia, we've probably seen more of.
Speaker 2:Well, was I was talking to someone over lunch, and I was talking that all the time when I go to these different places, I never get the chance to visit the actual city.
Speaker 1:You have to make the effort, bro.
Speaker 2:I know. And with Gdansk, with the what's it called? The Baltic Summit. Baltic Summit. A few years ago, I was there and so after the event, getting ready to board my plane and my plane was cancelled until the next day.
Speaker 2:So I had a chance to go to Gdansk and visit the city and see what's what.
Speaker 1:Or by staying one extra day. Yeah. You should do that more often. I should do that more Did you see a Nooks post? I didn't realize how many places we've been to this year.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, with the little flags on the outside. Yeah, yeah, All over the
Speaker 1:place in the first six months of the year. Yeah. Jesus.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's been it's been busy six months. Yes.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:And I'm going back to Gdansk. Yes.
Speaker 1:Yes. You're in And I lot need
Speaker 2:to book some travel, so maybe I need to book like an extra day to see Yeah. What's
Speaker 1:Give us a shout. We'll let you know where that restaurant is on the Hundred And 30th Floor with the whiskey bar and the food is amazing.
Speaker 2:Yes. That's a good one.
Speaker 1:So that that's... That was was neat. Yeah. We did Warsaw, so we did Poland, so we were close. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that was pretty cool. Anyway, we could talk about the shit we've been to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know whether we've done a podcast since Poland, have we?
Speaker 2:Yes, we did in June. The... Our previous one, the
Speaker 1:last That's episode we've why. Yeah. Yeah. We have a couple in the in the vault. In the oven.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. But no. I... So after Hamburg, I went to European Power Platform Conference.
Speaker 2:Yep. And like the first thing, was amazed that I knew so many people there because it's power platform and for people that I've talked You got
Speaker 1:miss names then? Say hi to?
Speaker 2:No. It's way too many people.
Speaker 1:Forgot them already.
Speaker 2:I met a bunch of new people, mostly Finnish people. So that was a lot of fun. But no, I was amazed at how many people I know that were there. Because for people that have talked to me about Power Platform, they all know I very much hate the Power Platform. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I was very amazed to see so many familiar faces.
Speaker 1:Yep. Oh, well, good. That was fun. And the keynote and stuff was spectacular or...
Speaker 2:I only saw a little bit of the keynote because my session was right after the keynote. And I went to two or three sessions. A few were me and a few were very entertaining, but yeah, not really.
Speaker 1:A bit like this podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like high hopes, laughed a lot, but didn't learn a lot.
Speaker 1:Maybe a bronze nugget. Yeah. Yeah. Something Yeah. Like
Speaker 2:I was actually hoping to learn more because there was a full AI track and it was mainly around responsible AI, things like that. Yep. So yeah, I've seen a few things, but mainly I was working because I had a few customers that were going live that week. And so actually I went to the airport to catch my flight and at the airport while I was going through security my phone was ringing and I was like yeah, give me two minutes and then taking the hotspot on the laptop, doing some work while I was in the hall next to all the chocolates. But in the end it was worth it.
Speaker 1:To last year when you were saying you had no work to do, this is a nice change, isn't it?
Speaker 2:It is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I need to I need to invoice more.
Speaker 2:I've I realized that I've... Like yesterday, I started my day at 08:00 in the morning. I turned off my PC at eight in the evening. And I can only think of eight hours that I can do like think of billing. Like where did the other hours go?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Did you work or did you
Speaker 2:just Yes. Get was busy all day, but I just...
Speaker 1:No, no, sorry. Were you doing things you couldn't book time for or...
Speaker 2:I just can't remember. I can't remember where the extra time was.
Speaker 1:Do you
Speaker 2:know what? Probably into emails or whatever. Do you know
Speaker 1:what a solicitor does?
Speaker 2:Tell me.
Speaker 1:So they actually take a a standard a four sheet of paper and it's divided into fifteen minute slots throughout the day. Yeah. And they just mark it down and write down what they've done in that five slots. And I know it sounds like a shit idea, but you can then photograph and ask AI to work out where you spent your time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1:But it's a great business case. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's true.
Speaker 1:Or shout at AI. Hey, I've done this today. Make sure you remind me.
Speaker 2:Or like the robot people that we met in Hamburg. Two young You people that were
Speaker 1:need one of those robots.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, basically they build a robot that is looking at you and if you do anything else than work, it will shout at you.
Speaker 1:Basically, yes. It stops you procrastinating. Yes. Great use of that.
Speaker 2:Sounds like a horrible idea.
Speaker 1:Is that what? Procrastinating a horrible idea or?
Speaker 2:No, it sounds like a horrible idea to have this little robot watch you and say, Hey, Wonka. Get back to work. That email is not gonna write itself. Oh, nice.
Speaker 1:But you could make it say more positive things. You can make it say, hey, yes, you sleepy bastard. You're really smart. You're really clever, but get some fucking work done. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But they were a bit You
Speaker 2:young still look sleepy. Go grab a coffee. Yes. Exactly. On you go.
Speaker 2:I'll have one
Speaker 1:with you. Bring one for me. Let's have a chat for a few minutes, then you can go back to work.
Speaker 2:You look dehydrated. Grab some water.
Speaker 1:Oh, I've been doing that. I bought I bought a Hume two band. Okay? Yes. Loving this thing to pieces.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:It forever tells me I don't sleep enough because I just never have slept much. Yeah. But it started now telling me, oh, you're dehydrated. Don't forget to drink some water. It comes up on my phone.
Speaker 1:I mean, seriously, I now understand the argument with the conversation we had with the guy doing handing everything over to AI, but now it's in there telling me. I mean, what this thing knows about me, it's unbelievable. All it's doing is monitoring the blood going past my wrist.
Speaker 2:A Yeah. Strange mind. I was I was was listening to podcast and one of the things that came up was, so now you can get your DNA like unraveled
Speaker 1:or checked or how do you call that? Genome. Genome. Written down, whatever. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But you can also feed that into AI and then look at like, what's my risk of getting Alzheimer's? What's my risk of getting, I don't know, what kind of cancer you might get?
Speaker 1:If it was that easy, we'd all be a lot healthier.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that was mainly the thing. It is getting that easy because it used to be like millions of euros that analysis was costing you. But now you can get that for 2 or €300.
Speaker 1:Right. So that data that costs you millions or thousands to get access, that's suddenly now free in AI? Well, no. So you need to get
Speaker 2:that you need to get that blood work done.
Speaker 1:And so all that costs you a few 100. So you end up with a DNA string. Yeah. Alright. And then you feed that into AI.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And it then can use what data source to tell you the information you've just said you'll get. Because if that data source used to cost money before, it still costs money now. It's not like they suddenly went, oh we made a mistake and AI has now got hold of it.
Speaker 2:I don't
Speaker 1:know. I don't know either. No. That's part of
Speaker 2:AI's problem. But I mean that it's all literature that it can browse and that it's grounded on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe. I think so. It actually... I kinda wanna do this.
Speaker 2:I kind of want to do this. Have my... I'm gonna turn 44 pretty soon. You old git! And when I was 40, I went to the doctors and I said, want like a full exam.
Speaker 1:I did the same thing. I'm 40 now. What do I need
Speaker 2:to do? Put your thumb up my ass. Feel if I've got anything weird. I mean, do everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You just wanted that to smile.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And he was like, that's gonna cost you. This is not the Reaper bomb motherfucker.
Speaker 2:But basically, said like, I wanna do the full Monty. And the guy was like, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh no. So we're back to... Oh, that's not good.
Speaker 2:I know. I shouldn't... I wouldn't do that if I were you, you don't have any complaints, whatever, blah blah blah. So I didn't. But now I'm thinking like, what if I get that whole genome done and see what's coming along the way.
Speaker 2:And how I can prepare and how I can do... I don't know. Get more vitamin D or whatever. The guy... So the...
Speaker 2:Sorry. One more thing. The guy was saying what came out of it for him was that he is non responsive to a certain heart condition medication. So that if he now was to get into the hospital,
Speaker 1:he would
Speaker 2:say like, Oh, don't give me that one because I don't respond to that.
Speaker 1:Interesting. So I was sitting there playing, I've got my ankles all swollen up. Alright. And it's because I know I've got vein problems on one leg. My mother had horrible veins and I think I've inherited them.
Speaker 1:But so what I did was I just took some pictures and I threw that up to copilot and she suggested what might be wrong. She said, It's not ready enough to be a problem, but why don't you go and get yourself checked? So at least you've got a baseline, which I now have a paper downstairs, and I'll go and get that done. But I think that there's a lot more stuff that can be done. This apparently will tell me if I'm going to have a heart attack.
Speaker 1:The Hume bracelet. That's what they tell me. I don't know whether it will. But it has given me a lot of stuff around the energy I have. Apparently, most people have 85, a number 85, don't know what the profession is.
Speaker 1:Okay. 85 units of energy. I have 30. And the only reason I have 30 is because I don't sleep enough. So it's it's not that I don't have energy.
Speaker 2:Good god. If this is you at 30, I don't want to imagine what you at 85 would be.
Speaker 1:That's a fair point.
Speaker 2:Jesus.
Speaker 1:But how do you make yourself sleep more? I mean, I used to have four hours a day. Alright? As I get I have these
Speaker 2:excellent gummies from The US that I take when go on a plane. Yes.
Speaker 1:But your sleep's a habit, full stop, you know? So I have decided that, yes, if you hear this strange noise, we are upstairs again because it's so warm and the windows I are had a beautiful... Have I finished that subject? Yeah, I have. But, yeah, so we'll see how it pans out.
Speaker 1:But it is interesting what the tech can do nowadays. Yeah. And all this stuff is, all this energy, all the data from this is being fed into a central thing, so you end up being compared to everybody else. But I sleep enough to get rid of the 30 units of exercise To recharge. Every day.
Speaker 1:So I get this thing, and she actually says you're an unusual case because you're sleeping enough to discharge all your energy quite happily, all that you use. I thought they were saying you're a lazy bastard, you're not working hard enough.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:That might be the case. But it's interesting watching it happen. I think it is interesting watching your body but you know what it can and can't do. We'll see. So living in the city on Saturday, Morocco won.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And I knew I was here. I'd just taken a phone call from my daughter in The UK, Nikola, to tell me that Darren had got drunk, fell over and broke his nose and passed out. Was... Poor lad, Darren.
Speaker 1:Apparently, his company had their summer events and they do a free bar. Oh, Jackie's wife was just about to call a taxi for them to go home and she felt Darren hit her leg, but apparently he literally went, swanked on his nose, poor lad.
Speaker 2:Oh, no.
Speaker 1:And then he ended up in hospital because of they thought he might have curs shit. Was a score.
Speaker 2:Of course.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I just listened to that story, and then the world exploded. Cars, horns, And I just grabbed a whiskey. I opened the window. I just sat there watching the world, and all these Moroccans in their cars doing their circles up and down the streets, flags hanging out.
Speaker 1:Thought it was brilliant. And I was thinking Belgium and Morocco could end up playing each other in the next round if
Speaker 2:Oh. They both Oh.
Speaker 1:That will be a day to go and visit somewhere else, I think. Yeah. But I just love
Speaker 2:the So by fact the time this podcast comes out, people will have known if that happened or not.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's true.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's funny. Well, we could just issue this one first before the other one.
Speaker 2:We could, but... Yeah. Well, yeah.
Speaker 1:Then it's part of the fun. So anyway, what were we gonna talk about today? Because we're already thirty five minutes in. You said I wanted to talk about the podcast, and I've been waiting with excitement and beams about what this podcast is.
Speaker 2:So this this was a I I thought... Let's taste some whiskey. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Go on.
Speaker 2:Very interesting podcast with Marc Andreessen, who is one of the... I don't know. Like proper wealthy businessman. I don't really know what he does. But anyway, it was it was mostly about AI and and things that people are using AI for.
Speaker 2:And one of the things he said which I found very interesting, was he was talking about... Who was the guy that with the apple that fell on his head? Newton. Newton.
Speaker 1:Yes. Your memory really is screwed today, isn't it? Oh, it's it's too warm.
Speaker 2:Also, I've been working for six customers today. Wow. Anyway. So back in the day, middle ages, people were trying to perform alchemy. Turn lead into gold.
Speaker 2:And they were trying to do that with something called a philosopher's stone that would translate the lead into gold. And what Marc Andreessen said, which I found very cool, was that we have now we have a philosopher's stone because now we can turn sand into thought. And I thought that was a very profound statement.
Speaker 1:So you're very... Just to repeat the statement. Concerned sand?
Speaker 2:The sand into thought because we make these chips from sand basically, from
Speaker 1:silicon. Silicon.
Speaker 2:And that turn... We turn that with AI into Is the thing that is
Speaker 1:it thinking?
Speaker 2:Well, there's tons of debate on that. But yeah, I would say so. You also said that we passed the AGI mark a few months ago. So with the general intelligence. So it was interesting.
Speaker 2:It was an interesting conversation. Yeah. But I loved that, that philosopher's stone argument with turning sand into thought. I thought that was that was a very, a very cool statement.
Speaker 1:It was.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Good. You're gonna put a tattoo?
Speaker 2:No, but it might be an idea for next session at a conference somewhere in the world, or at least a slide. I think it's worth of at least a slide.
Speaker 1:It would be nice if it's in an hourglass. So it's Yeah. Taking time for the sun to run through, and then it's...
Speaker 2:That's a cool visual. Yeah. But then how do you display thoughts?
Speaker 1:AI will tell you. Tasks or thoughts? Thoughts. Thoughts. Ideas.
Speaker 1:Thought is like ideas.
Speaker 2:No. Well, yeah. Like... Thoughts. Thoughts in your mind.
Speaker 2:Your head. Thinking. Yeah. Yeah. No.
Speaker 2:Not tasks.
Speaker 1:No. Not tasks. No. No. Thinking.
Speaker 1:Yes. Now we're on the same page.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Got
Speaker 1:it. My sand ran clear.
Speaker 2:It's fine.
Speaker 1:It's alright. Fine. Great. What else did
Speaker 2:the podcast say? Was that it? Well, basically all the things that I said earlier were all gone from the podcast about the AI vampires, his his team or his friends or whatever. Vibe coding with 20 agents. That day can't manage all those 20 agents.
Speaker 2:So now they have agent managers managing their agents. Agents. So it's basically like growing a company that you put some hierarchy in to have it all managed. So we can say, I need this to be built and that thing can then prompt 20 other things to create a database, create a front end,
Speaker 1:create I spoke a to one of the largest AWS management companies the other day. Okay. And I asked them. I said, so... And they have a couple of 300 small...
Speaker 1:Large to small... To medium businesses. Gotcha. And I said, so so is anybody actually vibe coding? Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Do you know? And literally into production. Yeah. And their response was, there's one company we know of because obviously we don't know what everybody's doing. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:There's one company we know of that is experimenting and they've managed to generate a little bit of code that they feel strong enough to put into production. Okay. But...
Speaker 2:That's not what I heard, but maybe they're better informed than I'm just hearing the the marketing fluff.
Speaker 1:It depends what production means and how much Yeah. How much accountability that software has.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 2:So this... Because if I'm running 20 agents to build stuff for me.
Speaker 1:You expect it to be building stuff.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:But it depends what it's doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So would you trust that process to run your car production factory? Would you trust that stuff? Well, it's a funny
Speaker 2:thing because I was driving here on the last bit and every time I was turning left or right, my... So that my... The the the the clicker was So making a very weird I think I've got something wrong with my lights, but probably. Yeah. So basically, I've got two British cars and they all have their own issues.
Speaker 2:So maybe I want AI to build me a better car. Vibe coding. Vibe code. Vibe code me a better software.
Speaker 1:You would drive at 200 kilometers down the motorway for a car on software
Speaker 2:Yes. Driven by Self driving.
Speaker 1:I sat watching... I I'm gonna watch the final reckoning, the mission impossible movie. I don't think I've seen the last one yet.
Speaker 2:I did. Yes.
Speaker 1:I I I don't think I can remember it. So I thought, okay. I watched the first one again, which I haven't watched for ages. I really enjoyed it over the last couple of days because it's a long movie. And of course you end up with him in his BMW and he puts on automatic drive where he has to tell Cruise how to jump off the cliff and he looks at it, he looks at the car, then he turns around and puts his seatbelt on.
Speaker 1:Simon
Speaker 2:Pike. I forgot that bit. Yes.
Speaker 1:Those are the little things you catch the second time you watch a movie, you know, those small indies. It's really pretty I
Speaker 2:sat down yesterday evening and I watched the Project Hail Mary.
Speaker 1:Excellent film.
Speaker 2:Excellent.
Speaker 1:Super film.
Speaker 2:Yes. Someone's seen it. Was exactly what I hoped it would be. After reading the book? Of course Books better.
Speaker 2:You know I don't read books.
Speaker 1:Audio books, man. It's better than
Speaker 2:podcasts. Nah. Nah.
Speaker 1:Oh, no. So, mate, the book is really, really good. But the but the film is certainly is a very, very good
Speaker 2:Yeah. I enjoyed it very much.
Speaker 1:I love the end because you think, how is this gonna end? How are they gonna get out of this? It was amazing the way they put the end together. No spoilers for anybody, No. But No.
Speaker 1:If you haven't seen it and all you think is about a guy meeting an alien and fixing shit, then it's not. It's got a brilliant backstory that runs all the way through. It's really good. Yeah. Highly recommend it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Because I was thinking that's what it come up on Prime not being charged for.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly. That's why I watched it.
Speaker 1:I was thinking I might do that. Oh no, let me do this Reckoning one first because I think I must have seen the final Reckoning but I just can't remember it. I also sat watching... I was
Speaker 2:a little disappointed with that one
Speaker 1:because it's... A lot of people said the same....
Speaker 2:Try to be way too much.
Speaker 1:Maybe maybe my mind is saying you don't want to see this, but I don't know. We'll see. Yeah. I can soon turn it off. True.
Speaker 1:True. True. True. Soon turn it off. True.
Speaker 1:And I'm watching Clarksons Farm five again. Now I will... I've I've gone through it quickly. Yeah. Now I'm doing it slowly.
Speaker 1:Okay. Have you seen it yet?
Speaker 2:No. I've I've only seen a few episodes from the first season.
Speaker 1:It's not your thing.
Speaker 2:And... No. I I like it, but it's... There there's so much more things that I wanna see. So Now the the new House of Dragon
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:The new season started. Silos started again. Rick and Morty is happening again.
Speaker 1:Is there such thing as too much television? But
Speaker 2:yes. Definitely yes. But also, I try to be very specific to the things that I watch. And while I like Clarkson Farm because it's funny and I I like the guy because of his humor and his weird things to handle by manhandle things. It's it's funny, but it's not something that after days of work I wanna sit down and I wanna watch that.
Speaker 1:I wanna watch... Like
Speaker 2:each of
Speaker 1:that stuff.
Speaker 2:I wanna watch shit blow up, basically.
Speaker 1:Okay. Got it. Wanna
Speaker 2:have a dragon, like, annihilate a full army and lay waste to a castle, things What like
Speaker 1:I really liked about Sirius five is he's gone AI. Yeah. And what he did was he said, Look, I can't make farming pay for itself in traditional methods. Let's go and find out what technology can do. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And he gets to the point where he has a control room for his farm, and on the screens you can see where all his tractors are and what they're doing and where they're going then they're driverless. Yeah. Alright and he's actually doing the stuff. So he invested all this money in it and he still made a loss because there was no rain. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The summer was so hot he couldn't get the crops. Yeah. I mean that's the randomness of the game. But I really enjoyed it. He went over to Holland to find out how they do a billion tons of potato a year on one farm and all these electronic stuff.
Speaker 1:And they were doing better environments. So, example, this guy came over for him and did a scan. He did an echo scan of his fields and he can measure, you know, two feet under the soil to work out what the nutrients are like. So then it takes that map, feeds it into the fertilizer, the tractor just rolls along, but it stops dropping fertilizer where it doesn't need it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that a) they were using only 60% of the fertilizer which is very expensive. Yeah. And also meant that the fields were well looked after. Yeah. And then he basically stuck a machine on for doing things.
Speaker 1:A robot that planted 6,000 onions, alright, nonstop. Okay. Sorry, 600,000 onion seeds. Okay. And it just sits there, plugs along day and night.
Speaker 1:It doesn't move.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:It goes and charges itself when it needs charging.
Speaker 2:It's like a little like a robot lawn mower
Speaker 1:It's the size of this wall. Says it's two meters by about three or four meters. Nice. Most of it is is solar panel on the top. Okay.
Speaker 1:And then it just comes over and moves along. And then it also weeds. Okay. It was fascinating to watch. You've got a camera on the bottom, on the screen.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And it was just weeding the tape, pulling the weeds out as it were missing the... Because it knows where every single onion seed is. Yeah. It was just fascinating to us.
Speaker 1:It was good tech. Ah.
Speaker 2:Good tech. Yes. Because robots are coming, but I mean, in in that kind of culture, that is where we already have so many.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. But it meant that he could basically get on and do all the other stuff that he wants to do. There's a bunch of YouTube videos around about how much money he's making. So he knew he would never make money on the farm.
Speaker 1:So he set up a whole set of extra businesses around that do make the money and how he's broken the mold in things. The guy's just a journalist. Nah. He's actually a super smart journalist. He has a pub that doesn't actually make a profit, he has a farm that doesn't actually make a profit, but he's got a £55,000,000 business.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So work it out, you know? Even with the tourists coming buying his t shirts and all that kind of stuff. Interesting. Yeah, but it's done a lot of good stuff as well.
Speaker 1:So I do enjoy it. Alright, it's whiskey time.
Speaker 2:Whiskey time. Yes. And we have something that we've been looking forward for quite some time.
Speaker 1:We do. It's an island whiskey from the islands of Scotland.
Speaker 2:From Mull. We got the Lechique Castaway.
Speaker 1:Castaway. Castaway.
Speaker 2:Which is the Lechique we which we already covered a
Speaker 1:few Oh, look at that beautiful color.
Speaker 2:On the podcast. And this is the one that was matured in rum and tequila cask.
Speaker 1:Yes. And do you know the really... We'll get to that definition in a minute. I just want to point out that, Kevin, we had to buy our own freaking bottle because you did not bring it to Commsverse so that we could taste yours. Thank you.
Speaker 1:I love that color. It's so light. So it's a rum cask. It's a rum cask and a tequila cask. Mascara tequila.
Speaker 2:Sorry? Tequila. Tequila. Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You're not spilt some, have you? Am I gonna have to lick my bar?
Speaker 2:Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, we spilled some. Oh, well. So from the Tobermory Distillery up in Mull, we've got a very, very, very... Oh, are you gonna lick your bar? Okay.
Speaker 2:Interesting.
Speaker 1:Taste of curry. Oh, no. That's what I just learned
Speaker 2:last night.
Speaker 1:Oh, it is interesting.
Speaker 2:Yes. So if you if you wrap... If you do this thing with your hands, then you smell your hands. You smell the smokiness. Oh, you do?
Speaker 2:You smell the smokiness. But the interesting thing is if you drink it.
Speaker 1:You don't taste it. It's different. Okay. I'm looking forward to
Speaker 2:that.
Speaker 1:But let's just let's just do a bit of history about this lechi.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So we drank it first, I'm guessing, but it must have been three years ago. Three and a bit years ago.
Speaker 2:The default leche with
Speaker 1:cheese bourbon barrel. Something like that. You could turn around and look because there's always a bottle in my case. There's about four different bottles of Ladig as it happens. Anyway, but when we tasted it, we decided it was the best smoky whiskey we'd ever tasted.
Speaker 1:We drank it, it kind of filled your mouth with smoke. It was very good mouthfeel. It was pretty amazing in terms of where we were going. So that's Absolutely. The history with Yes.
Speaker 1:And I think I can count one, two, I think I can see six bottles of Leche, of one of Led... Of Ledegg.
Speaker 2:One, two, three, four. Four.
Speaker 1:They've left. I think those three behind are Could be. Yeah. It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2:Yes. It looks like that.
Speaker 1:Yes. So anyway, so it is a key drink that I Five, six, seven. Seven. That was the independent bottling one So, as and I hope that I can pick this one up as well. So anyway, Kevin told us about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's a limited edition of 6,000 bottles or something.
Speaker 2:Something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's a very brave move for what is a very traditional distillery, actually. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Absolutely. And, as you said, we enjoy it very much. It is very good. And this one, I already tasted it.
Speaker 2:It's very different. Also cask strength, 60%. It doesn't
Speaker 1:smell that, does it?
Speaker 2:It definitely could use a touch of water, but... Yeah. You can get the rum.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. Any warm water in there, you wouldn't see it. This thing is such a refined color. Yeah. Elegant.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yes. So you get the rum, but you also get the tequila heavy. On the nose? Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't disagree. That that floral sweetness. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'll I'll just... Sweetness. It is it is very Sweetness of the rum actually.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, but also that smoky hint coming coming true.
Speaker 1:Taste it yourself, guys. Work it out. But it is really, really nice nose.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Don't buy them all because I need a few more.
Speaker 1:I need another one for definite. Oh, I like that pint.
Speaker 2:It's definitely definitely different than the last time I tasted it.
Speaker 1:But it does have that smokiness in the in the palate.
Speaker 2:This time it does. The first time I tasted it, it didn't. It was almost like I was tasting a tequila, which also is smoky, but I mean in a very different way. But this time, now that I'm tasting this time, this is it's got that lechy smokiness. Yep.
Speaker 2:That oomph of the whiskey. But with those floral tones of that tequila, that sweetness of that rum, to be honest,
Speaker 1:I was afterwards is even better now. This is really a very, very nice drink.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That tequila definitely comes through a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 2:It's not a bad thing. Not at all. Because to be honest, I recently bought a bottle of Mezcal and I am kind of enjoying it.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:And because we are Office365 Distilled...
Speaker 1:Is Distilled? We
Speaker 2:could also travel in the world of the agave plant, possibly. But this is interesting. Yes.
Speaker 1:I mean, had the Deanston's tequila version there. It's a completely different drink. Oh, yeah. Actually, no. It's finished in a tequila cask, I'm guessing, or is it completely Yes.
Speaker 1:Been put into the tequila?
Speaker 2:Chured in rum and tequila. It's a good question. Has it just been finished in there?
Speaker 1:See what Holly says.
Speaker 2:That is a...
Speaker 1:I thought that was a motorbike. It's a Golf.
Speaker 2:That was a very weird sound for a car like that. There's definitely something wrong with that.
Speaker 1:Wrong? You think wrong? I think there's something very right with that car. No. No.
Speaker 1:No. No. No. Just because you got a Range Rover that goes...
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. Just trying to find
Speaker 1:my whiskey projects here and then we'll
Speaker 2:It it doesn't Whisky members.
Speaker 1:Here we go. Take a picture or two.
Speaker 2:Vivid contrast harmony, maritime Pete wrapped in grilled pineapple, ripe mango, and bright citrus.
Speaker 1:Pineapple, baby.
Speaker 2:Earthy agave lifted by salted vanilla, warm spice, and a long smokeland finish shaped by most briny air.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I can see that. That's their standard stuff there. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1:Camera. Just on the last picture here at the moment.
Speaker 2:And we should also enjoy this responsibly.
Speaker 1:Do we need to... What what do you mean responsibly?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Alright. Let's see what Holly says because that might give us some insight into
Speaker 2:Yeah. The casks. Maybe we should just...
Speaker 1:Does it not have to be in a bourbon cask by law to be a whiskey?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I don't think so.
Speaker 1:This is an interesting one. It's never afraid to get to adventures, castaways probably. So I'm just gonna read through it. I wanna read it. Sure.
Speaker 1:Sure. So matured in a combination of rum and tequila casks.
Speaker 2:Yes. That that we know. It's a good question.
Speaker 1:So 30 to 40 PPM?
Speaker 2:Could be. Taste more. Taste heavier, but...
Speaker 1:Yes. So on the nose, grilled pineapple, caramelized banana, lemon, brown sugar, slight medicinal note, wood smoke, sea breeze, and the palate is agave. Yes. Herbal agave, she calls it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And citrus oils.
Speaker 2:Put a drop of water in it.
Speaker 1:I'm going to do that in a minute here. Do wanna get the angel out or was it okay? Long and lingering with lingering bonfire smoke, sweet sweet molasses. Go. Excuse me a second.
Speaker 1:Oh. Oh. Pepper. Pepper definitely when you put a drop of of water in it. And dry oak.
Speaker 1:That's the other thing that's been bothering me. Compared with whiskies you've enjoyed, it says here, it's more adventurous than the Lagavulin twelve. It is. Definitely. And it's less medicinal than the Cairo.
Speaker 1:I actually tasted the Cairo on Sunday. And it... Oh, it shares the DNA with Cairo. Okay. Not in flavor, but in the way unusual casks are added to add an exotic twist without completely hiding the smell.
Speaker 2:Okay. So Yeah. Mozzarella. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Not mozzarella. Yeah. No. Not mozzarella.
Speaker 1:That's the cheese. The cask is...
Speaker 2:The Japanese oak. The Mizunara. Mizunara. Yes. Well done.
Speaker 1:Yes. No. That's good. Alright. So she's not far off wrong.
Speaker 1:You say put water in it. So what does it do?
Speaker 2:Yes. Bring out spice, the peppery notes, but also lots of that smoke. So on the nose, it gets more fruity?
Speaker 1:Yeah. It does. Yeah.
Speaker 2:More of that agave, that tequila is coming out way more. But then when you taste it, it's it's more You do
Speaker 1:get the agave a lot. Yeah. Tequila a lot. Yes. I'm loving this so much.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that finish gets just more peppery.
Speaker 1:Oh, refined peppery, better. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Oh, I'm grinning.
Speaker 2:I can feel myself. Of those two for one drinks. Yeah. Well, no. The
Speaker 1:palate is also there as well. I can feel it. That wasn't there before because I think the cast strength actually kills the tongue a bit. Once that water Yeah. Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 1:Alright. You have a heavy responsibility now.
Speaker 2:You say you get bucket. Will bring you one.
Speaker 1:Yes. Yeah. I might ask for two. It's the kind of thing I wanna hide in the back of that and just... Might wanna
Speaker 2:get like four or something. Four. Yes. Four. Let's get four.
Speaker 2:Some investment bottles before they're gone. I know.
Speaker 1:Don't bother me that that...
Speaker 2:No. I know. I know. Oh.
Speaker 1:I was screwed up here. I hope not.
Speaker 2:Well,
Speaker 1:we will see. Alright. There's an option on the mixing desk where you can recycle the same thing.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And at fifty seven minutes, it found the recycling. So it doesn't matter. We'll go. We'll work it all out.
Speaker 2:So we lost our DuckTales introduction.
Speaker 1:No. No. Not at all. It was only just for forty seconds at fifty seven minutes.
Speaker 2:Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, guys, thank you very much, Marijn. Guys, if you get chance to taste this, it's called Ladago Lechi Castaway, and it's, I mean, it's great to have to think about it, rum and tequila cask. What a great name. Castaway on an island, you know, rum and tequila. It's, amazing.
Speaker 1:What does it actually say at the bottom there? Crafted in partnership with the Mull and Iona Community Trust.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's probably the people that are giving them money to do
Speaker 1:all sorts. Yeah. The Island Of Mull and Iona. In Iona, so you got Tobermory Island. So you got the Island Of Mull, which actually looks like a beautiful place.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I've only ever been there on a bus. And you get the Tobermory Distilled. Harvey.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The beautiful colors. And then there's water, of course, over the other side. And then you've got Iona. And according to... Folklore?
Speaker 1:No. No. No. Airbnb. It's got one of those, a few of those really weird kind of shaped ball apartments overlooking Tobermory if looking backwards.
Speaker 2:Oh, nice. Okay.
Speaker 1:And they look really quite strange. Nice. Sort of just, you know, look like you're sleeping out in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2:Interesting.
Speaker 1:In Iota. Ah, it's beautiful. Interesting. Thank you, my friend. This was really, really good.
Speaker 1:Yeah. This is an odd podcast. We're gonna be struggling to find a title. Ducktales. Ducktales.
Speaker 2:Ducktales and the Lost Worldstone.
Speaker 1:Yeah. No. That's worth it. Yeah. So we have ducks.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And on that note, thank you very much, guys. I hope you enjoy it. Find this whiskey. Absolutely find this whiskey. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And find your way with AI. There is a way. It has a future. I think we've just got to keep looking and work out where we can get the most from it.
Speaker 2:I think this is a little bit like electricity. Like, oh, we got electricity do
Speaker 1:I need electricity? I have gas.
Speaker 2:So Yeah. What can I do with electricity? Oh, wow. That... It's that open world like, oh, we have this thing called electricity where we can put some power into something.
Speaker 2:What can we do now? Think of all the possibilities that we can do now.
Speaker 1:We can make cars.
Speaker 2:Yeah. We can have cell phones. We can have toasters. We can have grills. We can have whatever.
Speaker 1:We can... Hot water. We can warm up barley and water and sugar into a wash and then store it in rum and tequila casks just to see what it creates. Just to see what it does.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Just because we can.
Speaker 1:Just because we can. Because we have electricity.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:See you guys.
Speaker 2:Ciao.