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Two friends – Dave Gerhardt (@davegerhardt) and Casey Ford (@fordpr) – share their love of golf in podcast form as they talk shop & chat with those who have made golf their long game.
00:00.40
dave_gerhardt
All right case Long game is back baby. You see me dripped out. You see me dripping you see this. You see this son This is drip. This is drip.
00:07.35
Casey Ford
I thought you said you're going to Florida not hollywood at Mount Malbondrant this is this is a good ah case for people to subscribe on Youtube to us because every week when we when we start the pob we talk about something visual that nobody who can see but Dave is holding up right now.
00:17.43
dave_gerhardt
Trip.
00:25.24
Casey Ford
Ah, Malbon Golf Hat unbelievable.
00:25.40
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yes, sir I'm basically school boy q right now or mclemore or Jason day hey look man I'm um, you know like I said to my tweet I wrote a tweet today.
00:33.80
Casey Ford
Um, do you want to announce a ah sponsorship here a personal sponsorship or no.
00:41.84
dave_gerhardt
Had to update some stuff on Twitter and um, this guy longtime listener tech sales guy I don't know his name real name on Twitter was like whoa. No no shout out to Longga Pod and I said you got to follow the money. This is not the money channel yet and um so I'm trying to make things happen. So I I I spent you know $96 on this yeah malbon.
01:01.39
Casey Ford
Right? I get it So this is see you make money through your other podcast then you get to spend that money on exorbitant mal Bond gear and then show it off on this podcast here I like it I like that.
01:01.72
dave_gerhardt
Snap back and um.
01:09.92
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, as my mother in law would say it's a write off. It's a write off just just write it off just right off how you doing my friend. What's what's up.
01:20.93
Casey Ford
I'm good. How are you? you're you're a fresh off vacation. So I feel like I should just give you the floor here because as we both know family vacations can be ah interesting. So let us know how your last week went
01:25.40
dave_gerhardt
Not on. Um well, it's first of all as any professional knows this. It's not a vacation. There's a difference between a family is a family trip and a vacation so we went to disney.
01:38.70
Casey Ford
Yep, you taught me that.
01:43.30
dave_gerhardt
And um I tweeted this out last night and Disney is amazing. The kids kids had a blast. You know there's a lot of Disney some people loved this. There's just crazy Disney people. There's people who would never go there in their life. Ah, like you for sure. Yeah, um.
01:57.42
Casey Ford
That's me that's me I was like 8 my parents were like you know to Disney and like now I'm good. Go ahead. It seems like a lot.
02:00.21
dave_gerhardt
Kids had a blat. No good. Can I go to could we go to Coachella though. But the the kids the kids had a blast. It is is definitely a lot. Ah really It's a whole the whole thing is just a science experiment and um, if. You've ever seen the movie. Wally it's like the real life version of that at Disney where 50% of the people are walking around 50% of people are on scooters. Um, if you came from another country if like if you lived in another country and they just threw you in the middle of epcot or somewhere in Disney you'd be like. Who are these people like and what the hell is going on What do they? How do they poison them. How do they feed them It's the most insane place and I I said that my biggest takeaway from disney was that we have a public health crisis in America it's it's insane
02:53.75
Casey Ford
Who.
02:55.82
dave_gerhardt
Um, but the kids had an amazing time. We had an amazing time here's one nobody's going to believe this but this is this is true. We went there 2 years in a row. My wife and I got food poisoning last year I got food poisoning again this year not kidding.
03:05.68
Casey Ford
For no way.
03:13.20
dave_gerhardt
Not kidding Thursday night we were supposed to leave Friday morning. We'd go out to a dinner Thursday night not like Disney food off property supposed to be a nice restaurant I ordered some fish or something I'm going to get sick talking about it I'm laying in bed and it was like it was the food I wanted my life to end type of.
03:23.75
Casey Ford
Are.
03:32.68
dave_gerhardt
Situation and we were supposed to fly out that morning we had to cancel we had to cancel our flight every hour Leah would say like I'm going to move our flight and I was like no, don't do it I'm going to be okay, but it was like I couldn't even I couldn't even be out and there's just no way. So I basically we we killed another day I sat in the hotel room I watched.
03:34.76
Casey Ford
Oh my gary.
03:51.64
dave_gerhardt
Cognizant classic which I got ah I got a lot to tell you about on that on that situation. First of all and we had to it took us an extra day to fly home and so and and so she so she called a hotel to tell them and try to get us like a comped room for the last night the place is expensive by the.
03:52.54
Casey Ford
That make you sick.
03:59.32
Casey Ford
Ah.
04:10.15
dave_gerhardt
And she initially called and she said yeah look this is a second year in a row we had food poisoning and I said don't say that there's they're never going to believe that so there's no more we're done. It's over.
04:21.60
Casey Ford
Ah, who hold on don't only be hanging like that. What was their reaction to when she said this is the second year in a row.
04:24.30
dave_gerhardt
Oh The guy just like gaslit her and he like was like went through every restaurant like made her go through every restaurant that we'd been through couldn't have been this one. It couldn't have been this one. Well you know, no of noroviruses. It was not nobody else. Got Sick. It was just me I was the only one who ordered this particular item. It was horrific who.
04:44.31
Casey Ford
That that's an all time shoot your shot moment. The my husband got food poisoning off property. We want you to give us a cop night here I Love oh was there I get oh I'm saying here's you the place was off property from Disney I got you.
04:52.48
dave_gerhardt
No, no, no, no, no, no, it was at the restaurant at the hotel. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, but like you know you've you've you know whether you've been sick to your kids if you had like the stomach bug or food poisoning like it's.
05:02.14
Casey Ford
Wow.
05:08.58
dave_gerhardt
It's been like 3 or four days and today's the first real day that I'm like yeah I'm I'm down to eat food today. But until now it was like I couldn't even couldn't even look at it. Yeah, it's.
05:16.70
Casey Ford
You can. Ah you can hear it you can hear in your voice you're you're you sound like a a limping puppy here.
05:21.78
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, and you know for our for our runners for our runner our ah running fans out there. Um I ran I ran for the first time yesterday and it was honestly it was honestly like the first the first run ever and leading up to that leading up to that I had the.
05:29.00
Casey Ford
Um, do you puke with headphones in or no rent to the bathroom.
05:41.45
dave_gerhardt
Fucking flu So it's it's just been tude.
05:43.00
Casey Ford
What the fuck our last two family trips. We both got delayed a total of 4 days coming home me 3 you won but something bubble was waiting for me when I got home. You got it there I was going I was coming into this like I know last year your story of you you and your wife both got food poisoning.
05:54.89
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, not happen again now I'm a mess I'm a mess I feel like a zombie um, last night was the first good night of sleep that I've had in like 2 in two weeks but it's okay, I'm happy I'm so happy to be home I'm happy to be back I'm happy to be.
06:02.21
Casey Ford
Like oh did that happen again I was ah just about to ask that unbelievable.
06:18.35
dave_gerhardt
Talking about golf on this podcast I'm happy to be here Casey I.
06:19.82
Casey Ford
Real quick. This is this is a really bad transition. But do you want to do the right? The the live read now for Walt Disney world resorts now bad Tommy but authorship.
06:30.36
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, yeah, ah yeah, but by the way that that place like legitimately covers up murders and so there's no chance that they were gonna like be like oh your your husband had food poisoning on no problems take the whole take the night have the night for the hotel.
06:45.94
Casey Ford
Like a 4 year old got dragged into the water by an alligator like three years ago here at the family pool really that was athletes crazy. Anyway, that's a good nice pick me up for a Monday morning so you had a good you to get? ah.
06:48.62
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, dude at the hotel that we were at at the hotel that we stayed at. Yes yes, yeah, but look at me today man I'm about here I'm dripping I'm chipping.
07:01.57
Casey Ford
Well the no bond hat must be at least 50% of your energy right now.
07:06.73
dave_gerhardt
Here's the issue here's the issue with this hat like I don't have the right clothing like if I put on a golf shirt and shorts this hat like it would stand out so so much and so if I'm going to make this hat.
07:19.82
Casey Ford
You don't have the right? You don't have the right state. You're the wrong state to be wearing them um a malbon. No yeah I got you but when they get a little closer. They say what does that say.
07:22.59
dave_gerhardt
No, that's not true. No no, no, no, no, no, there is a very Vermont look you could pull off with this type of hat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, mal one says it's poggy. The man that's what it says Poggy the man.
07:34.40
Casey Ford
That's a maple syrup company and then they look closer. They say Melbo they go Oh shit I shut up so you you were you were on the couch.
07:41.35
dave_gerhardt
So I Keep the hat is so flat. The hat is so flat I keep trying to like just put like I don't like like the super the super bend but I don't like the super flat I Like you know, like kind of like a middle ground. This hat is literally like there's instructions on it that basically say like you cannot Shape. You cannot be Bent. It's meant to be worn as a snapback I can't not but I can't.
08:02.20
Casey Ford
Really I was surprised there should be ah like a a service where there's a bunch of like 16 17 year old cool kids out in west hollywood that you can send your hat to and they'll curve it for you to the right to the right amount like this is this should be good for you.
08:14.85
dave_gerhardt
What do you mean? they just like put an eye just iron it out. They just make it flat. Yeah so I'm anyway I'm home I'm home now I got I'm two weeks at home and then um, we're going to pine pinehurst and in two weeks and so I can't.
08:18.10
Casey Ford
I Guess so at least you don't have the sticker on which is I feel good about.
08:30.49
dave_gerhardt
Can't wait for that.
08:31.33
Casey Ford
Well I've got a quick vacation. Update for you as well. Um, so we get two weeks off my daughter does from school in March instead of doing the February April thing. So for I don't know four months my wife and I have just been saying where should we go where should we go. We can't just stay home for two weeks with the kids like we're going to go crazy. So we always leave it to the last second. So generally what happens is we we spit out like 10 different ideas and nothing happens. So I'll just go and get frustrated one day and book everything like hey here's where we're going so we went to this place in Amelia island for a wedding maybe a decade ago down Florida right outside Jacksonville.
09:04.16
dave_gerhardt
By the way is she is she cool with that like is that is like is it like Ah, thanks.
09:07.16
Casey Ford
Totally she can't she can't make decisions. Um, and I'm really good at making decisions. Maybe not the right one but I'm but doesn't doesn't trouble me to just pull the trigger on ah on a decision I'll regret it later but um, so I just I just did that so I was like this place we went in Florida ten years ago for a wedding. We loved it.
09:15.68
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah.
09:26.48
Casey Ford
Remember a lot of kids there family friendly. So I book it really hard to find the flight and hotel combination that work for us. We're only going for a few days I'm like why is it so hard to get down to this place. So I book everything and then I realize it's about a half hour away same weekend as the players championship. So. Now I have to go to my wife and be like hey this trip I just booked guess what there happens to be a golf tournament down this street and she's like you you 100 % knew that when you booked I was like I swear to god I didn't know the relationship between Amelia Island and ponavvira and you know I know like 4 places in Florida and where they relate I'm not sure. But.
09:49.57
dave_gerhardt
So you got to go? yeah.
10:00.24
dave_gerhardt
Is that this weekend. Okay.
10:03.42
Casey Ford
Now it's the week after next. So um, we're flying down on Saturday but maybe there's a chance might have some some long game boots on the ground there for Sunday at at the players.
10:12.53
dave_gerhardt
Um, love that and and can you can You can just go get tickets to that You can just go get tickets to the get out of here.
10:16.91
Casey Ford
I already have tickets before I even told her about it I was like I'm just I said I'm just getting it to. Oh yeah, there's still tickets available but I just got one because my thinking is tiger is going to play that since it doesn't look like he's going to play Bay Hill this week coming up so when they announced that i. And like those tickets are going to go times 3 so worst case I can always sell it but I booked it. We'll have to get a a little read of the family when we get down there. It's the day after we land. Um, and it's a tough time to just say like I'll see you guys for 6 hours but my wife did said like you want to golf when you're down there I guess I could take that time and just.
10:49.20
dave_gerhardt
Well.
10:55.15
dave_gerhardt
I think you should I just immediately like yo I'm just gonna go I'm gonna go play golf and I do think your chances are higher I think doing this at the beginning of the trip is much better than like if you had just been with everyone for like you know you're on day 12 of this trip and you're about to be like yeah I'm going to be out for a little bit I think you should do it.
10:55.43
Casey Ford
Head over to the tpc right? so.
11:15.20
dave_gerhardt
Why can't you bring bring bring bring Yeah, that'd be amazing.
11:18.72
Casey Ford
I I broached this I broached this um behavior's been an issue recently. Yeah you you just on 17 Yeah, like someone's about to hit a shot and you just hear poppy scream like bluey then na.
11:22.41
dave_gerhardt
You imagine had she's just running wild inside the ropes.
11:32.70
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
11:35.27
Casey Ford
So we'll see I mentioned that and even my wife was like I don't think that's a good idea. She's like I'd rather ah rather you go by yourself than bring poppy. But I I wanted to bring my daughter. We'll see. We'll see but you know what? That's a fun thing for the listeners on Sunday watch the seventeenth and if you see some kid like. Some kind of backflip into the pond there. That's me probably me so you did get to watch some of the tournament this week we're we're recording on Monday morning. Ah Austin ecrat just just won the ah the cosic and the what is it caused cognizant classic. It used to this is called the Honda. So he's your winner of the Honda classic just just finished about a half hour
12:12.13
dave_gerhardt
It's yeah, it's the hundredlas you know what's funny they when I was watching on Tv they were like you know they they did like a replay and it's interesting because the the sponsors of these tournaments like change over the years but they're like this is the. They still say it as the like you know they've been playing this tournament here. It's changed courses. It's changed sponsors but they still call it that initial. Whatever the hell it is case I didn't think it would get to this point with me because I really don't care that much about professional golf shocker as anybody who's listening this podcast knows I like watching them play golf like.
12:31.56
Casey Ford
Right.
12:44.10
dave_gerhardt
Like you know watching them hit balls because I love golf I like watching them play I'm sitting there sick as a dog laying in bed and the leaderboard is 12 guys I've never heard of and I'm like man this is this is getting pretty shitty. This is.
12:55.28
Casey Ford
Not great.
13:02.98
dave_gerhardt
I what like what the fact that there's not 1 tour where everybody plays on is like man is this is this what this is going to be like this is brutal.
13:08.55
Casey Ford
So I spent a lot of time thinking about this exact thing this week and watching because I watched a lot of it too I'm in a place I can't tell like how many of the guys on live would be playing in this event if there was no live this weekend like thirty five forty maybe 30 I don't know the numbers and world rankings. But so that's my question like were these guys that are up that we've never heard of were those guys would they be bumped off are these just a new players for this year new q school crop like the beginning months of the tour every year you're going to learn new people that are just either qualified or there's probably 50 new people on tour. Or some you know some extent every year. So it's hard for me to tell like is this just a like all these guys that are gone on live would they be filling these kind of no name holes or.
13:55.80
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, definitely definitely listen to these names. Okay, all these people would would be in the field joquien neeman Louis Louis ha in Bryson Dechamau John rom Phil Michelson taylor guoch brooks kepput keka jason kokcra abraham answerer carlos ortiz sergio garcia tielhatton kevin naugh pat prez brandon grace dustin johnson danny lee brendan steele like I think the issue is it's not It's not all the they don't have like the the top 10 players in the world. They have more of them now. But like. It feels to me like this crop of like those kind of like the 20 to 30 the the 30 to 50 guys just like all got swapped out and now the like I'm sorry but like the jake knapp story is not interesting to me. He's this tiny little guy with a mullet and and.
14:46.92
Casey Ford
You always call Bouncers tiny.
14:48.78
dave_gerhardt
This is their store. He's not he can't be that big like okay he they had they made this whole story like he works out and everything anyway. So just I yeah I'm just like I my bolt my head I just lost £15 through through thin a toilet.
14:57.18
Casey Ford
I Could say you just pissed on your couch like looking at his biceps but like what the fuck this guy. Ah, all your muscle masses in in a toilea.
15:08.24
dave_gerhardt
I like look at look at me I'm such a little bitch now I yeah I just I don't know I feel like a lot of those guys are missing. You know like I never thought I'd be at a point where I'm like man I wish Abe Banser was on the pj tour but like.
15:20.13
Casey Ford
Well, that's my question. Do you do you? Miss Abe answer if he was there instead of nap or um, like I guess this is like a perfect tournament that Hatton would probably be like top 10 and I don't know if like all the top guys would be in this and we just had really had Rory just because he lives I guess down the street from this place. Um.
15:34.41
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
15:37.72
Casey Ford
So it's not like 1 of the marke. There's no shufflers. No zander no can't lay. Um.
15:40.99
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I guess it's more like I guess it's more like there. There's too many leagues. That's it right? like you know there's there's just too many leagues and these tournaments are suffering. Yeah, ah.
15:49.51
Casey Ford
It's true. And there's only 2 it shows you How little golf can afford to fracture.
15:58.40
dave_gerhardt
There's only 2 right? exactly like honestly I I looked at that I I was watching that leaderboard excuse me I got a you know food poisoning in my throat. Um, there is um I was like is this like a opposite is this one of those like opposite field events like who who's playing in this. So.
16:06.15
Casey Ford
Um, no words.
16:14.99
Casey Ford
That's like what's coming up this week yeah Yeah I don't know it's um I mean then again like I didn't watch I didn't watch live this weekend because it was on the middle of the night but I don't think I would have like even the 8 k thing like I was interested I think I said here a few weeks ago like the only way I'd watch live is if. Aka signed on and played it happened happened to be at like 3 in the morning so I didn't see it. But um, yeah I don't know like it's it needs to be this needs to be fixed soon. We'll put it that way what if like live but would have lived takes like 3 more guys.
16:45.12
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, do you know who finished do you know who finished last sorry what.
16:51.59
Casey Ford
To say what if livev takes 3 more guys over the next three or four months like top guys then you're I feel like you're almost at a tipping point now like where the balance of this could really, you could have the minor leagues here in six months be the pj tour. What were we saying.
17:01.93
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, it is funny though I'll be on Twitter and like you'll see a clip from a guy on live like lately It's been Niman because he won and he got in the masters. But there's all this argument. Everybody. You know these guys are like it's just There's been more narrative about not getting to the masters and not this and that's like do you guys? All knew this like what are we talking about.
17:22.30
Casey Ford
I Can't believe that's how the narrative is shifted now. It's like they're they're just looking for sympathy for not getting in like this was number one of of why people didn't want to leave is they they didn't want to give up ranking points or their tour card. They couldn't come back.
17:26.71
dave_gerhardt
It.
17:38.20
Casey Ford
Everyone knew the implications of all this stuff.
17:39.14
dave_gerhardt
Where where are we at in the timeline of this thing like has anything progressed. Is there going to be a solution. What's your latest prediction on when. Is this just is this what things are going to be I haven't been following I haven't been you know deep deep in this I'm sure you have some more knowledge but what's your kind of latest perspective.
17:57.56
Casey Ford
Actually a um, we're going to get to a later but ah, a listener question today came in saying you know what? if you had to predict how this live in Pga tour thing plays out what would your guess be and great question for us since we're we're the experts on this topic.
18:11.14
dave_gerhardt
18:15.90
Casey Ford
Um, but what I've read I'm sure you've read and heard similar things is that this might be more like a government issue than a Pga to thing like they had to get the ssg deal done to get some money and that for whatever reason needed to be the first shoot to drop. But this I think people are underestimating how hard it is to. Have ah an american kind of iconic establishment merge with a saudi run company I think it's there's more hurdles, especially um, just where we are politically I think I think it's not as easy as just here's the deal. Let's flip the switch and go. So. I don't know I don't know if it's even viable to survive the year but I bet obviously it's too late this year. So if anything maybe they're just working towards next year with maybe some kind of understanding of like don't poach our guys don't poach you know don't that's not mess up anything but I guess they sounded like before the year they were pretty close and then rom they took Rom. So. I have no idea but the pj tours got to be shooting their pans waiting for the next shoe to drop.
19:14.74
dave_gerhardt
Did you see um, just see our guy Kyle Porter had a tweet that was like Taylor Guoch now owns the 3 it was like 2 or 3 of the worst golf takes of the last decade
19:23.38
Casey Ford
Yes, that's a guy I know nothing about like I don't care. He's not on the tour. He doesn't move any needle for me. Um, except for these moments where he runs his mouth and I think he I've never seen someone get like the live people are the live.
19:32.43
dave_gerhardt
Well then.
19:38.97
Casey Ford
Live ah defenders are very loud but I've never seen a live guy have a take so about that everyone in in like Unison was like this is one of the dumbest things we've ever heard.
19:45.82
dave_gerhardt
Well I hadn't seen the clip I hadn't seen the clip but there's a clip of him I don't know if it was like the first live event but it's he's standing on. He's standing somewhere with Patrick Reed and Dustin Johnson and the reporter asks him like what about the environment and he's like you know I've never I've never played in a. i' never played in a rider cup or president's company but like being here today. Yeah I think it rivals one of those moments and deejay kind of like couldn't control himself and just looked and he's he basically.
20:09.60
Casey Ford
Um, so.
20:12.83
Casey Ford
How can you be that stupid like to say something not just like that. Everyone's going to dunk on but the people next to you are going to are going to dunk on.
20:18.13
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, dude, that's why that's why like I don't care I love actually I love john rom I think he's handled himself look. He's he's like quite literally held hostage by this like Saudi golf like I would be terrified based on reading what I what I read in this Alan Chipknuck book about live golf. I would be fucking terrified to say or do anything out of the bounds of whatever this live contract and is and so I think John I love him I love his personality I love the way he handles himself. He has at least just been like yeah man it was about the money like the worst people to me are like this the Taylor guch who like.
20:53.59
Casey Ford
Um, yeah.
20:57.27
dave_gerhardt
Like they have a chip on their shoulder and some to prove and they're you know and whatever the grow the game people. Yeah.
20:59.53
Casey Ford
But grow the game people like they're trying to grow the game like I think Carol Varner was the first one was like this is straight up money. Let's make no mistake this is yeah I like that I I don't care I like it. That's my whole thing I don't mind make your own decision people people you know.
21:08.80
dave_gerhardt
Great. Do it.
21:18.99
Casey Ford
It's their own providing for their family like it's very hard for people to criticize that stuff I don't like the league I I would rather everyone play on one tour that's for selfish reasonsions. But yeah, that is ah they get to get a deal done soon I don't they nobody's cares about live but people care about you know how the.
21:26.43
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
21:38.87
Casey Ford
Product on the tour has been diminished a little bit so hopefully these these majors have got to come through though with some some people that matter I mean especially this year though with like who's been the winner. The people that have won embed the headline celeste two three months on tour pa on.
21:43.19
dave_gerhardt
They did last year they did you know, just.
21:54.36
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, just wait until like Taylor wait wait wait until like pavalt paval your boy I don't know he's got that tat that tattoo on his hand that would be sick. This is a good idea for malbon. They should make a shirt with that on it or something. Um.
21:57.83
Casey Ford
Nap you know guys You think you can take on.
22:10.50
Casey Ford
Or temporary tattoos.
22:12.90
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, just wait until like Taylor Taylor Moore or you know Andrew Putnam wins wins the players
22:18.72
Casey Ford
So the other thing I was thinking about with this too is like is there any chance that golf is just in a really good place where there's just a ton of talent right now and like these young guys on tour are actually I mean a guy in college won a few weeks ago against.
22:36.26
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, right.
22:37.50
Casey Ford
Some of the best players in the world is it could it. We always talked about how tiger like Tiger inspired this generation of golfers that you know he played so long that he then had to compete against which is one of the the more insane thing that's ever happened on any tour right? like no one or on any league. Um, but.
22:52.10
dave_gerhardt
Right? So like is like is is Austin is is Austin echo or is it like the Mba discussion like um like is Austin ecro like way better than Raymond Floyd ever was at golf.
22:55.77
Casey Ford
Is this the second wave of that.
23:04.29
Casey Ford
Right? That's a thing it's like is this is golf so widespread now and everything's on delay like someone who's getting inspired to play the game. Maybe when they're 7 you're not going to see him for obviously a decade plus but is this that second wave like is this the generation that was inspired by the deejay.
23:09.31
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
23:15.11
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, well, what's.
23:23.37
Casey Ford
Ah, spath fowler like those guys and now now this is that second wave because a lot of guys are going to golf that never play golf before and I'm sure that started a decade ago.
23:31.39
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I think I think there's a couple I think there's a bunch of factors in there I think that golf as a sport separating like Pga tour and professional golf I think I don't know if this is like the post- covidvid golf boom. But I think there's like post covidvid golf boom. Technology you know between trackman and all of that type of stuff fitness golf being like a fit person sport. You know there's there's jacked golfers now there's golf specific fitness. It's much cooler like we talked about I'm in college in 2005 and going to go play golf and. You know, carrying around my clubs at 6 a m on campus looking like the biggest dork there is that was not the move today. Golf is golf is cool and so I think there's just more factors into like people at an earlier age committing to golf I don't know if you saw that I posted this There's this great ah somebody. It was like this great meme of like this guy and he's looking at the future. He's looking at the old version of himself in his house and he's like why didn't I you know me not making golf my sport when I was in high school and it's like this guy in a basketball uniform and he's doing these moves and.
24:38.34
Casey Ford
Yeah.
24:43.56
dave_gerhardt
He's puts the ball like in between his you know in his shirt and does it I'm like man that was me like I should just gone all in I think it's much cooler as a sport I think the technology is there but I was going to say this too earlier. There's also like we got to separate these things out I think like professional golf right now as a. Business sucks like it's as a product that's not great, but like Youtube golf like Youtube Golf has that whole culture of Youtube golf and fashion and apparel and just like golf culture and people playing golf that has exploded so there's like there's a weird juxtaposition of that like. I think that the average you know 16 whether you're 16 or 24 that person is much more likely to watch like good good or Grant Horvad or Brian Brothers on on Youtube and go watch one of those like we played John Rom in a 9 ine-hold challenge with 1 club. You'll never guess what happened next.
25:27.33
Casey Ford
To him.
25:35.40
dave_gerhardt
They're much more likely to watch that than they are going to be to watch this pj tor event. You know on Tv.
25:38.33
Casey Ford
Um, yeah, totally and I think a big thing there is something that I've had trouble grasping is just generally like a generational thing. Kids just watch Youtube now they don't want like the way they consume media is like Youtube is number 1 their whole lot like from as early as they're on the internet. That's their number 1 thing so it makes sense why that would be a natural progression. Also there's a big disconnect between like I grew up and you grew up watching golf and and appreciating and loving watching golf and playing but people who got like the covid boom.
25:57.16
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, so.
26:13.23
Casey Ford
Doesn't necessarily mean they got addicted to the watching people play golf right? So just because the sport is growing doesn't necessarily mean the traditional you know industry around it grows as well and to your point people find new ways. So it's Youtube or whatever. So um, but ah.
26:15.44
dave_gerhardt
Right.
26:33.18
Casey Ford
If people aren't watching the tour. They're definitely not watching the Cw and live. So.
26:34.26
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, well I think that that era the era that we grew up on in our nostalgic about which is like it's Sunday afternoon your dad just mowed the lawn. The windows are open in the house. He's taking a nap on the couch you're sitting there watching the final round of the John Deere like that era is over. They nobody's that's not happening for anybody anymore home man shout shout out to you Jake Knp come on the pod.
26:55.62
Casey Ford
Yeah, it's sad, but good for Jake nap. Um, oh boy I bet he would and I bet he'd fight you too for charity we can set that up to hear it ah speaking of golf real quick. This was the cognizant classic. We. We were a few weeks behind on this.
27:11.66
dave_gerhardt
There's no more fighting.
27:21.50
dave_gerhardt
Um, oh I haven't looked it up if you want to ask me what they do I'm.
27:21.52
Casey Ford
Um, Tighter sponsor title sponsor challenge. Do you know what? cognizant does go for it.
27:26.50
dave_gerhardt
Um I don't cognizant I'm gonna say.
27:35.65
Casey Ford
They're an online online travel agency who helps you rebook flights if you have food poisoning in the Florida area now.
27:43.16
dave_gerhardt
Oh that means I got to check I Got to go check my credit card for how many? yeah anyway, um, cognizant I Want to say that there I don't want to say this but I'm going to say it I feel like there's some type of insurance company. It always is.
27:58.85
Casey Ford
It's usually insurance or consultants right? So it's an American multinational information technology services and consulting company. We help clients modernize technology reimagine processes and transform transform experiences so they can stay ahead in our fast changinging world I Assume this is.
28:02.80
dave_gerhardt
Cognizant.
28:08.00
dave_gerhardt
Oh my.
28:15.79
Casey Ford
Maybe a competitor of Grant Thornton you tell me.
28:19.14
dave_gerhardt
Um, is this is this cognizant dot Com Are you looking at this where where where are they based. Where's cognizant cognizant. Ah.
28:21.99
Casey Ford
Um I haven't done that research so far.
28:28.95
Casey Ford
Um, they share an office park in ah West Hollywood with melbon I think.
28:34.31
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, they got an office right here and in in Vermont that's that's what I'm seeing you know they got my local. Yeah oh boy cognizant.com cognizant flow sources gen Ai powered engineering apply the modern of.
28:38.84
Casey Ford
Um, really.
28:48.71
dave_gerhardt
Ah, apply the power of modern engineering connect the full software development Lifecycle What I yeah I Still don't understand what they do, but.
28:55.41
Casey Ford
We should tell people we we moved 1 significant hurdle forward this week were one step closer to Dave having his logo on a golfer next year the pj tour we've got pricing information or iting it.
29:10.23
dave_gerhardt
We got pricing. Yeah, oh listen if you're a Pga tour if you're like um, a grinder if you're like in the outside the one fifty and you're looking for 50 but I'd say but between 50 it depends on who you are and and where the logo is going to do i. I could carve out the I could car I'd say fifty to a hundred grand to sponsor a pga to player.
29:28.96
Casey Ford
Um, you might you may want to go like corn ferry tour like get in early invest early like a 3 year deal
29:31.72
dave_gerhardt
Um I was it what what does live do the guys on live have sponsors or is like once you go to live. There's no sponsors.
29:38.50
Casey Ford
I Don't think so that's why all their stuff is like clean, right? There's not like advertisements on the on the course right? and they' their hats or you know the aces or just the aces is not except for like Dj gets away with is wearing a tailor-made hat all the time.
29:49.65
dave_gerhardt
Have you ever have your flu.
29:55.17
Casey Ford
I Don't understand that he doesn't even wear his like teams hat.
29:57.80
dave_gerhardt
Dj have you ever just flipped over like Youtube Tv and flipped on a live event still catches me off guard every time I think like I have like another browser tab open that's like playing music but like on every green.
30:01.15
Casey Ford
Yeah, the few weeks ago when they're not on it or in the morning. Yeah.
30:11.96
Casey Ford
Um, yeah.
30:13.89
dave_gerhardt
And this this week it was kind of like um sometimes it's like house music this this time it was almost like like some like kind of smooth like lo-fi like low-fi trap.
30:23.49
Casey Ford
What's going to be like it's going to be like writes free music right? because they know it's going to be on the on the broadcast. It's like royalty free music. Yeah, the hundred percent right because it's not. There's never like I'm never like that's ah I don't know whatever I don't know.
30:26.18
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, they're like they're like I'm like audio jungle. Yeah yeah.
30:35.57
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, no so thanks for that cognizant. We get the Puerto Rico open this week I will not be watching.
30:40.29
Casey Ford
Out of the chain smokers on repeat I'm sure something like that. So so here's the thing we get to this week we get the the Arnold Palmer which is one of the biggest non-major events of the year that's a designated event and we've got the Puerto Rico open if we're doing picks. There's like 2 guys outside the one fifty and.
30:51.40
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
30:58.46
Casey Ford
Arnold Palmer so I think we got to do the Puerto Rico open okay we can pick group. Yeah, we can pick real callers for the grinders tour. Um, but yeah, everyone's basically playing this week do you know anything about this. Ah this event Arnie's Arnie's dreamment
30:58.77
dave_gerhardt
Now Can we pick real golfers. Can we pick? Yeah right? yeah.
31:11.14
dave_gerhardt
Now I'm just looking at I'm looking at the field and you know.
31:15.98
Casey Ford
That tournament tiger had that great flop shot chip in on like what's 15 or 16 No no, no the Arnold Palmer
31:21.00
dave_gerhardt
At the Puerto Rico Open tiger played the Puerto Rico oh the honor palmer. Yeah, it's one of those. It's one of those events where they spend an ungodly amount of time during the tv coverage talking about Mr Palmer and all of the history and all that nonsense and it's you know.
31:40.20
Casey Ford
Um, yeah, what I like is a challenging course like it's we're done I hopefully we're done with these minus seventeen Minus Twenty two minus Twenty seven and hopefully we get something a little closer to par here.
31:40.83
dave_gerhardt
I like the logo the umbrella that's cool. You know I read written. Yeah yeah, you want to talk about something that I don't like though Florida golf like ah but.
31:57.87
Casey Ford
Um, playing or just watching. Um, yeah yeah.
32:00.71
dave_gerhardt
Playing like where where there's just water left water right? You can't I like when you can spray it a million miles to the right and like go find your ball and go punch out I do not play well the grain.
32:11.14
Casey Ford
The grain thing also just throws me so far off like we yeah like we don't really deal with that as much up in the northeast right? like it's not growing up. You weren't like looking at the hole for the grain right? So that's.
32:19.16
dave_gerhardt
No I got to Havejao call you gotta Havejao call. He's like we'll be on the course and he's talking about this type of grass and this kind of grass and it does this and at Shinnecock they got the grass that goes this way I'm like I don't understand any of this.
32:33.82
Casey Ford
I Can't tell you how far away I am from having to identify ah types of grass and like have that affect my next shot like lies of course but knowing specific like this is oja. So I've got to make sure I hit ball first like I am I am.
32:44.13
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
32:49.84
dave_gerhardt
Or is somebody somebody a couple weeks ago I was watching the golf and they were talking about like how you have to hit this shot this particular way because it's overseated berme overseated Bermuda or something like that and I'm like imagine the variables that these guys know like there's just there's so there's levels to this game.
32:52.67
Casey Ford
Galaxies away from that.
33:09.52
Casey Ford
Well, there was a great I was watching just the ah the finish today the Monday finish um around the greens you see this and it always throws me off. But I think Min Minmu had a chip. He was just it was a probably like a thirty yard chip but he was just off the front of the green but he was into the greenin I'm I'm saying.
33:09.60
dave_gerhardt
Case. So.
33:26.82
Casey Ford
But when they when they practice it I've seen guys do this all the time it almost looks like they chunk it like the practice stroke goes right into the grass like they don't fall through and then like it makes a huge divot like their 2 or 3 practice chips will make gigantic divots. Um, just interesting. You can. You can definitely tell when they're in Florida.
33:32.21
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah.
33:45.30
Casey Ford
But you're right? It's been. They've been in Florida too long I think.
33:46.86
dave_gerhardt
By the way you mentioned you mentioned min mo lee love can't get enough. He's one of my favorite pj tor players. Okay, right, all right? So so why don't you guide us here. What do you want to? do we. We got the we got the Puerto Rico open we got the armed palmer. Okay.
33:51.43
Casey Ford
This is one of my inner obs. We'll get to later about him I've got I get something about him.
34:02.12
Casey Ford
No, we're just ignoring the Puerto Rico open you've you've vetoed that you don't you've turned your back on the grinders. Um, and you want to just do arnold so I'm good with that I'll give you first pick too I I believe you won last week and we both had only 1 guy make the cut I heard Carl ah Carson young make the cut.
34:06.81
dave_gerhardt
Alright.
34:13.74
dave_gerhardt
Um.
34:19.97
Casey Ford
And you had Chris Goder up I want to say and he finished a little bit ahead of us. So ah, we'll give you first a pick here again, you can pick anyone here.
34:20.50
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, baby.
34:28.12
dave_gerhardt
Um, by the way I I did see there is there are some ah you know, ah your your boy Daniel Berger is playing the Puerto rico open this yeah and your boy Joel um, all right I get yeah because he's got the bucket hat.
34:35.70
Casey Ford
He's like the 1 guy outside the top one fifty so your boy you picked him last last week and speaking of Joel we should mention full swing comes out probably the day you're listening to this on wednesday.
34:44.85
dave_gerhardt
You think I could pull. Oh yeah, this is what I was going to say to you I wish that well I don't wish my life is good. Love my life. Love my kids love my family like in an ideal world like you and me could just like take two days and just like. Binge all of these and just go go hard on a podcast episode about full swing but we should.
35:02.99
Casey Ford
Well, you know I don't sleep so I was going to ask you you want to do like next Monday you want to do review like the first three can you can you commit to 3 or you can do 3 episodes.
35:13.16
dave_gerhardt
I could probably do three? Yeah, if they come out I could definitely do one so but yeah, that would be the only way I was literally watching watching Youtube golf John Rom with Wesley and George and and grant.
35:20.70
Casey Ford
Um, maybe get a stomach bug again or something you know? yeah.
35:30.64
dave_gerhardt
Ah, horvette on Youtube at 3 in the morning. So this no joke when I was watching all right? So we got a good field this week big purse Twenty Twenty Million bones um obviously with the first pick I'm going to take my boy project Pat. Thank you very much.
35:46.52
Casey Ford
Yeah, do we when we we don't do grinder events. Do we even need to draft. We just know where we're going to fall here.
35:48.59
dave_gerhardt
I'd like.
35:52.51
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, we yeah, that's kind of what that's kind of what I mean it's just like who you know who are who are our guys that we're gonna that we're gonna take so you'll bite.
36:00.33
Casey Ford
All right I'll ah I'll be quick here I'm going to take I'm going to take scottie because he's ah he's ah I think he won last year here and he's probably spent the last two weeks just on a putting green sleeping eating everything puttingdding. So.
36:12.21
dave_gerhardt
Do you think that's the right approach though like like shouldn't he not put shouldn't he just like put the putter away for two weeks and just show up like.
36:21.15
Casey Ford
I mean if you're asking me for putting advice I don't know but ah yeah I think I don't know well it sounds like from what you read like maybe he doesn't take the advice like he doesn't he he defaults in under pressure back to whatever he's been doing so maybe. I don't know maybe practice doesn't matter. Maybe your writing needs to walk away from it. But um I get scotty this week and why not give me Rory again I can't I can't have you take Rory and have him win. So.
36:47.64
dave_gerhardt
Let me ask you a question was there a moment like Friday afternoon we were like oh could this be a Rory could this be a little Rory weekend.
36:55.81
Casey Ford
Um, under percent I tuned in was a Friday Saturday good I tuned in he was I think he was at 10 under the leaders were at 12 and he hit a second shot I had been watching for maybe 30 seconds he hit his second shot. Did you see this about ah the ball was like halfway submerged in water.
37:10.17
dave_gerhardt
No I didn't know.
37:12.26
Casey Ford
Takes the shoes off gets in in the water gets the capris rolls them up hits a flot shot that goes about thirty feet high and then lands two feet in front of him goes back into the water then he drops he had like a 7 it was over so I got to experience that for 30 seconds I think um, but yeah, like looking at the field. Do you think like.
37:17.33
dave_gerhardt
Wow. Um.
37:24.30
dave_gerhardt
Damn.
37:31.41
Casey Ford
Just shows you how like just because you're the best player doesn't mean you're gonna like anything could happen on a golf course when you win like you have to not only play your best but you have to dodge like someone having a career day or a career round or a career week. So it's hard to win right.
37:43.48
dave_gerhardt
Right? Like we've we've had that in like the the most like just tame amateur scenarios like you know playing a match against some guy who has no business beating you at golf and this guy just blacks out if yeah I will say.
37:56.16
Casey Ford
Yeah, just takes 1 guy right? Just takes 1 guy like Nick Nick Miller at the at the at the phoenix he shot like a whatever fifty and good.
38:01.85
dave_gerhardt
I did see.
38:07.88
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I will say I saw Rory on Friday Rory played with Jake Knapp is that name Taylor k nap Jake Knapp um and sorry Jake I'm just jealous of his hair because I don't have any malbon hat backwards if you're watching it's now backwards.
38:12.60
Casey Ford
Take Wow that the nap disrespect on this hip episode and it melbon hat helps. They could tell by the voice by the Swag but going.
38:25.26
dave_gerhardt
um yeah yeah um I have way more swag um, but I what was I did in all seriousness this was cool I did see Rory played with nap and like they were talking. They're walking up the fairway together like every every shot and talking and I was like man that must be pretty fucking cool to like. This guy just got his first win now he's playing with Rory Rory kind of seems like the type of guy to like have real conversation with you on the course like that's pretty damn cool I get to spend two days in a row 5 hours with you know, 1 of the greatest players ever and to like get some of that knowledge coming off ah a win. It's pretty.
39:00.46
Casey Ford
Yeah I I was just watching the end of the telecast where we started. They interviewed him and they were just saying like what a world when we could spend for him because he wins and then he has to do all this media commitment and then he gets here and he's playing with with Rory so he's like ah I've had like an incredible like.
39:01.53
dave_gerhardt
Pretty cool.
39:19.97
Casey Ford
Autobody experience the last two weeks but he he did finish that I swear by saying I'm just really looking forward to getting back into the gym tonight.
39:27.39
dave_gerhardt
I'm gonna give you my next two picks I don't I don't know if this is how it works. But so I got Pat I'm gonna pick my guy I'm gonna pick my guy max homema which I love that. Um, my favorite nickname in golf ah is the homosexuals.
39:29.54
Casey Ford
Um, he you get to know.
39:39.46
Casey Ford
Not pat not project that I like it Homosexuals is good.
39:43.93
dave_gerhardt
I made that one up project Pat that nobody else that yeah project Pat Max shout out to Max Max is I know max has long been a fan favorite of many he's he's growing on me, especially um, especially huh.
39:56.48
Casey Ford
Um, needs a major though needs a major this year
40:00.22
dave_gerhardt
He needs a major he needs a major you know what though case Matt you mentioned max needs a major the next guy on my list that I'm picking needs just needs a dub needs a win. He had a good finish this week my favorite player. On tour that I don't talk about enough on this podcast. Mr. Cam Young I Love Cam I want to see him win.
40:17.64
Casey Ford
Wow I feel like I feel like he's the new zander where it's like oh yeah, look he's he's like 4 or five shots back and then you just know that means he's not going to come close like he'll be there Saturday but.
40:30.62
dave_gerhardt
Um, that's what I mean he's that's why that's why I need to seem do it so I got Pat Max homema and cam young.
40:39.60
Casey Ford
Um I like it so I've got Rory Scott in I got 1 more to round up this who should I go with let's go with ah let's quote Victor Mr. Hoveland and yeah, totally.
40:47.96
dave_gerhardt
Love him smoking bowls ah real quick. The the highest ranked player in the field this week number two thirty five in the world here on a sponsors exemption.
40:54.73
Casey Ford
Well, it's going to be oh yeah, good this week good.
41:03.75
Casey Ford
Not again. So all these policy board guys get the exemption every week. Oh my God is there like a history here.
41:05.59
dave_gerhardt
Um.
41:11.31
dave_gerhardt
Ah, Web simpson.
41:14.73
dave_gerhardt
I Don't know sponsors sponsors exemption The doctor web Simpson he's he's he's in the mix here. Yeah so.
41:23.40
Casey Ford
Um, unbelievable, Unbelievable. How do you get into that like he he got into Pe I think he's got into every designated event right? sitting at the cool cool table.
41:30.50
dave_gerhardt
I Don't know seems to be seems to be working firm cool kids table. What do we got? We got listener questions all right. Let's let's wrap it up. Let's wrap it up with some mail bag.
41:39.28
Casey Ford
Um, yeah, we got a bunch ah backed up a little bit here. Um yeah, someone ah ah, John Gilman Senten in our ob b idea is actually from a Zyre golf post. This is a great idea. It was Zyrod posted I think it was a different submission from someone. Clubhouse idea. All clubhouses should have to have a live feed of the first t box with top tracer technology in the restaurant bar area of every every course so you're like free or post-rom just in the bar you're watching that first t box you can bet on it. I think the thing it said on the zre thing was like I but you twenty bucks the guy in the blue goes goes in the shit. Unbelievable i. Love this idea.
42:16.10
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, it's a great idea John it's a great idea with all due respect to the golf courses around the world. Many of them can't function figuring out the most simple logistical pieces involving technology I just.
42:31.59
Casey Ford
That's a great point.
42:33.80
dave_gerhardt
I Just can't see a world where they would They could pull this off. However, hey have you ever been to? Ah, you don't play enough golf I don't not know why mass but have you been to one of those ranges that has the top tracer technology.
42:35.42
Casey Ford
Um, yeah I'm with you.
42:47.30
Casey Ford
Besides of like a a top golf time type of thing now. But I've seen those like it's kind of like the it's a regular driving range that they've just outfitted with the new technology right.
42:53.70
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, it's amazing. there's there's there's one there's one outside down the street from us here in Vermont and they have internet here in case, you didn't know but basically it's like it's like it's not track man but it's similar technology where like you just you hit balls outside and it measures and tracks every shot and it's it's unbelievable.
43:03.25
Casey Ford
Um, starlight.
43:12.62
dave_gerhardt
And it's added a really fun element to the game so that would be fun. Love the idea of any any more gambling I'm into the first t is one of those things it doesn't matter if you're playing casually if you're just hopping out of your car and going to play like the first t is usually a nightmare for everyone and I think that's a great idea John thank you for that.
43:29.31
Casey Ford
This kind of remind me of an idea I had years ago. Um, it started as like a sports betting thing a little bit where I had this idea of just first bird or or what did I call it ah or early bird early bird and it's just this is ah it start as a Pga tour thing but like. You should just be able to bet on who has the first birdie of the tournament. So. It's like whoever is out First. You look at the groups Eagle doesn't count. It's got to be a birdie I kind of like this at a golf course too every day someone wins the early but early bird award first person time wise gets a birdie every day you ensure there I idiots that like we'll just book the 7 10 teae time to get la free.
44:00.73
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah I like that this is.
44:07.79
Casey Ford
Early Bird t-shirt or whatever. But.
44:09.50
dave_gerhardt
This is this is unrelated but I'll I'll give you something that we do at our course that's awesome and um, this the guy this guy who he's actually my accountant now become a good friend regular golf buddy of mine. He manages he he started this I don't I don't know if he started but he manages it over here. But every wednesday. The whole day. They do a skins game and anybody that plays the course that day can get in and you venmo him twenty bucks and so it's not just your group like every tea time that day people can get in. You can get in for 9 or 18 and it's awesome because there's like summer Wednesdays where there might be you know.
44:37.29
Casey Ford
Um, yeah.
44:43.94
dave_gerhardt
Thirty Forty guys in skins and it's just makes fit super fun like you make an unexpected birdie on number 6 and then all day you're looking and be like oh did my skin hold up and you won a couple hundred bucks and you'll get a random text message from somebody I love little games like that where it's like a competition beyond outside of.
44:46.71
Casey Ford
Um, yeah, yeah.
45:03.12
dave_gerhardt
Bubble of the guys that you play with so we usually play a little game within our group but it just you know you you have something else besides that and um, somebody that I I don't know who told me this but it's just one of those like kind of evergreen golf wisdoms. They're like if you're playing golf and there is a skins game. You always get in always get in.
45:20.98
Casey Ford
Um, yeah, yep.
45:21.94
dave_gerhardt
And I'll play golf with some guys I'll be like are you in skinsay and he's like man I don't in in.
45:26.52
Casey Ford
Yeah, you you can't you can't time it. You'd be like well I'm I'm in today because then you're an eagle like 6 when you're not, you got to be in you got to play the the numbers you got to be in every single time I'm with you. We got another one someone wanted our thoughts Mike what.
45:32.97
dave_gerhardt
Right? Yeah, that's great, all right? What else.
45:43.82
Casey Ford
What are you guys thoughts on the latest match. Did you end up watching that when you were ah in Florida the home of Rory Lexixi Rose I don't blame me now I watched like maybe a hour of it. The ratings were there. What.
45:52.70
dave_gerhardt
No, absolutely, not absolutely not. Um and what's what's your react. What did what tell me about it. What did you watch.
46:02.25
Casey Ford
Heard the ratings were bad but I'm always like I feel like everything I watched the ratings are bad because I just liked stuff that like I'm not watching american idol so I don't assume there's a billion people watching this very niche golf thing like golf is pretty niche. So I understand that.
46:10.81
dave_gerhardt
Right.
46:20.36
Casey Ford
It's not tiger or fils and it's not on during covid in the middle of the of a Sunday so it's not going to get the craziest numbers. But my thing is like I think they need to get a little more creative with the people like why does it have to be like I would I would really go personality over. Um.
46:22.68
dave_gerhardt
Right.
46:39.40
Casey Ford
Accomplishments or or just stature in the game like why? Why does it have to be like a current like I'd watch anyone play I watch like a couple of 60 year olds from like the ah from the senior tour go at it like David Deval versus like Rocco media on like a Tuesday night
46:42.56
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
46:56.98
Casey Ford
Like a so like a 6 hole match live wouldn't you be more excited to watch that than like Rory and homa like try not to be uncool.
46:57.10
dave_gerhardt
Right? Well because they want to sell. Yeah I think it just it just comes back to it comes back to the marketing and the business side of it which is like what's who's the audience for that. What are they trying to do I think you have who is a Rory.
47:11.73
Casey Ford
Um, it just um, ah Rose Z.
47:14.97
dave_gerhardt
Rory Max lexi and who else rosean so you got 2 of the top women female golfers in the world. 2 of the top male golfers in the world. Somehow Dj Cali was in like it's clearly a made for Tv now.
47:22.80
Casey Ford
Um, yeah.
47:29.58
dave_gerhardt
Ah hear what you're saying though like basically like if the ratings aren't going to be but like blockbuster. Anyway, why not mix it up and make it a regular thing well case you got you know 2025 you're going to have the the tgl and that'll scratch that itch for you.
47:44.10
Casey Ford
Will it will you this in rumors that might not even make it to the to day one I mean already got blown over by a storm by like a windstorm. Um I hope that happened.
47:50.64
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, look so so and how did how did Rory how did Rory like hold that like did he look like he was like this was annoying. Did he have fun like what what was the vi was there no vibes going on. So.
48:00.90
Casey Ford
You look like he looked like if you were playing with me and like 2 other people who were like in the 11 to like 18 handicap like and we were playing for money with like not any strokes like you would just have this like this sheepest sheepish grin like. I amm winning. But I don't feel great about this like he kind of dominated but he wasn't like talking shit like Homema was like 3 puttingtting from ten feet and then he would just they kept interviewing him. They met. They must have this rule where they're are of this deal where they were going to.
48:21.68
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:34.55
Casey Ford
Interview the winner of every hole as they were walking off but Rory just kept like winning or like pushes and they just ask them the same question every time like the production of this It's so overproduced I don't understand like I don't think it needs to be live to your point Youtube golf like there's a. A lot of advantages to being able to edit a video versus just you know people hitting a drive and then you're waiting 15 minutes for the next shot. It just doesn't its golf is is a good sport for me to watch on Tv when it's pacee and they're going from 14 to 3 in this drama building watching 4 people.
48:56.60
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
49:11.64
Casey Ford
Play 9 holes over the course of 4 hours is not I don't think it's how you're going to grow the game. There's a very specific amount of people that are going to be interested in that.
49:15.62
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, it also just seems to be like they're stuck to this format. It's a different era right? Like what? what was the first. What was the first thing was it tiger and honor was it that was it that. So.
49:28.70
Casey Ford
The first one ever I think was tiger just versus Phil I think that was like pre covered that was like a Thanksgiving weekend thing then it ah went. It's like the oh yeah I don't know if they called it the match. But I know you're talking about when they had like a doral or whatever. Um.
49:35.79
dave_gerhardt
Um, no, but more like went more like when we were younger wasn't it like.
49:42.40
dave_gerhardt
So that like that I remember that being a big yeah that um that I remember being a big deal that was also pre the era of Youtube and streaming and so like you know, live sports it.
49:45.77
Casey Ford
Like duval in Woods and onus Kartan. Yeah.
49:53.63
Casey Ford
Um, yeah.
49:58.72
dave_gerhardt
Was and still is if it's the Nfl or something or and Nba. The only thing that you're going to actually watch live. But I think you're right? This is like it just seems to be a weird weird mismatch like just make this a Youtube series. Yeah exactly they don't know who it's for no.
50:02.68
Casey Ford
Um, right.
50:09.21
Casey Ford
Um I I don't think they know who it's for it's not free. It's not for you and me right? like we will. We're going to watch ah ah the Puerto Rico open right? like for for an hour on Saturday where we'll watch any golf and it's not for the I don't think it's for the casual fan they did.
50:24.10
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
50:27.60
Casey Ford
I haven't completely been watching all of the the last few like I missed the Peyton Manning 1 or I think there was one I missed the Jt brewery um, spath homo one maybe I afraid her. The fourth guy was there but this one was the first one that I noticed they did. Were trying like different things like they had one hole where it was and very very Youtube Influence you could tell it was like the 1 club challenge. So there was one hole that I saw where they all had to pick one club. It couldn't be a club that the other one picked so we had like a 5 wood this whole long parfour which is. Like that was interesting to see because you see people do stuff they don't normally do um and he had to like hit I don't know ah a 5 would like one hundred and seventy yards something impossible for him to do and it was cool to see but just like if it's not you don't have the personality I I don't get who it's for I don't get what it's for I'd rather hit a rather watch a.
51:16.87
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
51:21.97
Casey Ford
Edited Hour long video of Homema and Rory on like the range with them talking about like how they hit certain shots. Yeah yeah.
51:27.16
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, like those like tailor-made sessions with like Scotty and tiger chipping and that that type of stuff is fantastic. Yeah, um I don't know if you you probably hate him but Bryson Bryson is the best is fantastic on Youtube and he has an unbelievable Youtube channel where he like teaches golf.
51:44.83
Casey Ford
Um, yeah.
51:45.10
dave_gerhardt
And he'll play matches or try to help people out and stuff that type of content is I think there's a very interesting.. There's a very unique niche for that. But again. That's like a circle within a circle within a circle of people who that's there doesn't seem to be golf is seems to be struggling to find that like mass media product right now.
51:56.37
Casey Ford
Um, yeah, um.
52:03.69
Casey Ford
And what just going off of that like what's you're saying he's doing kind of like ah giving lessons basically on Youtube what's going on with your boy Nicholson who's giving lessons out to just like people offline have you noticed this like. I don't know if you follow that Monday morning or the Monday qualifier qualifying guy on Twitter but he's like he's been like I just spent two days with Phil gave me chipping less like Phil seemed to be like seeking out online personalities that are like not pro but and but not but not recorded. No no, no, that's.
52:22.61
dave_gerhardt
Um I do but I haven't I don't know if I've seen what you're talking about.
52:29.30
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, you know why because he's a fucking pr genius he's a Pr genius.
52:35.99
Casey Ford
That's that well yes, you're I know what you're getting to here. But it's not the they're not recording this. There's not even like a video at the end of the round this guy put up like a video of Phil like a hundred yards away in a bunker like c I am playing with him today but he what it wasn't for like any public. Yeah I've seen him well I saw he.
52:48.60
dave_gerhardt
Um, interesting and and you've seen this in Mul This is a thing right now.
52:54.40
Casey Ford
This this Monday q guy he he had been like talking about how Philip been doing it with someone else who's I think like a corn ferry tour player but again not on like not for publicity. Not for there's no like Youtube video maybe down the road I don't know um and then like last week I saw
53:03.72
dave_gerhardt
Right. Yeah.
53:13.23
Casey Ford
He was playing with this guy. Um, and he's like just talking about how he gave him like a hour long chipping lesson or something so I don't know what maybe Phil this has time got a lot of time but um, he's not playing in programs anymore.
53:24.90
dave_gerhardt
Seems like with Phil there's ah, there's always a ah yeah, that is. There's something fishy about that. The guy who hated playing in proams just out there giving free lessons. Okay well hold on.
53:31.49
Casey Ford
Well he may he may have stopped gambling so he's got some free time.
53:38.79
dave_gerhardt
I'm looking at now this guy Monday qe info like wrote an article about it. So it's yeah he tweeted did Phil Mckison cure my chipping yck yips I spent two days with the 6 time major winner and he gave me lessons I wrote about how he helped me and what it's like to skulll chip cross screen. So I think it's.
53:43.60
Casey Ford
Um, oh did he.
53:50.94
Casey Ford
Like but I'll put it this way like he fill's not whatever he's getting out of that is not like Phil's not doing it for that I can guarantee you so this guy writes an article about it. It's not like a there's no big Youtube channel it's going to XYZ so I don't know.
53:59.86
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:10.77
Casey Ford
Who knows, but ah, well really what I'm trying to say is you should throw your head in the ring send him a message be like look I defended you when my co-host said he would play a August national without you.
54:16.70
dave_gerhardt
This is what I'm saying like what I yeah augusta national alone or green hill golf course with Phil I'm taking that I'm taking that Phil hit me up.
54:25.93
Casey Ford
Okay, let's see do we have anything else. We had I mentioned someone asked about um how the live in pj tor thing plays out. We kind of talked about that we had someone a few weeks ago send in um, not a question but just sent us his own version of um, he keeps every ball. Like yeah, all same ball. All day thing. So it's funny. It's not like I feel like I've been doing this for a whiles every time I finish around and I keep ball every same ball all day and I I save it I don't feel like I've like influenced people to start doing this I'm just realizing there's so many of us out there that have been doing very similar things. So. It's nice than now there's a community of us.
54:51.76
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
55:02.33
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, like I I got 1 thing. Um I want to hear I think we need to do a future pod where I want to hear about I need to hold you more accountable I want to hear about your golf goals for the year um you know beyond the pod I want to hear about what you're what you're doing what you're working on because ultimately.
55:03.94
Casey Ford
Um.
55:18.72
dave_gerhardt
We we all want to get better That's what this game is about but check this out. Um friend of friend of the program. This guy John short. He's a friend of mine. He runs a marketing agency called compound growth marketing. We've done a bunch of business together and he sent me as a gift. He sent me these um. Arcos I don't know if you' ever seen. This is arcoss sensors that you you put them in the butt ends of your club and they track they track all your stats. These are the type of people you need to do business with by the way that sends you these types of gifts last year he got me a subscription in the golfer journal this year he's like he's a big data nerd.
55:37.00
Casey Ford
Um, well I have seen this? yeah.
55:51.85
dave_gerhardt
I'm not. He's like you got to do this. You got to do this I think you'd love it and so I'm excited to like to put these on and and start getting some some data. Yeah, it comes with an app but like you you wear this thing like you wear this thing on your belt while you play and it basically measures all of your distances all of your numbers and so I'm hoping that a couple months in the year
55:56.53
Casey Ford
Comes with like an app right? and an app right? yeah.
56:11.52
dave_gerhardt
Maybe maybe we can share some of this some of this data and it would be interesting to dive into that. But I I'm going to get these babies set up for for Pinehurst when I'm there and in a couple weeks and and we'll we'll be ready to go? Yes, yeah, we're playing playing with djako. Um, which is great.
56:15.20
Casey Ford
The Michael.
56:21.53
Casey Ford
Well, they'll be fun. Are you playing with djako down there.
56:30.40
dave_gerhardt
Couldn't ask for better I mean you want to talk about what a fun experience is first of all to have a great coach to a to have a great coach. We spent a lot of time together now but like I feel so like I get to go play 5 rounds a golf with my with the guy who's my swing instructor and coach at pineurst It's so much fun. He's like. You know you just have this built-in like robot on the course, you'd be like you know why did you hit that out of that you just got to hit this. No I think the wind is doing this it's it's amazing it's so much fun and you could get all the lessons in the world. It's the like oncore stuff that that not swing mechanics that just like talking through the game and everything.
56:51.81
Casey Ford
Um, yeah.
57:01.16
Casey Ford
Um, yeah.
57:07.60
dave_gerhardt
And it's nice because finally I'm at the point where him we're him now we're just him being in my sphere while I'm playing Golf doesn't doesn't change anything anymore doesn't doesn't make me nervous I don't care if he sees the result of what I'm doing So I'm I'm really excited for that.
57:20.83
Casey Ford
Very cool I think um I'm going to I'm going to finally start doing some lessons when the weather gets a little nicer because I've taken a few playing lessons like yours like you said and I've taken some normal lesson before the playing lessons are far and away. But obviously you need the range session to like.
57:27.68
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
57:33.48
dave_gerhardt
Now we're gonna yeah.
57:37.72
Casey Ford
Build on that stuff but getting out there and just having someone observe what you're doing is way more valuable I find then.
57:40.52
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, no, we need to get you and specifically we need to get you a Djano lesson. We've already been talking. We're going to find a way to come down to the Boston area. We'll have to find some extra time. Maybe maybe you know get get a lesson in with him would be fantastic. So we'll make that happen.
57:57.12
Casey Ford
Yeah, maybe I'll get foop poisoning and then have a few days off. Ah you want to do you want to wrap with a few quick inner obes I've got a couple stacked here from a few weeks here. Well here we can debate a few of these so this one I noticed um I think around Pub Pubble beach.
58:03.00
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, sure I don't have any but I'll run off a your list. Let's go alright.
58:15.45
Casey Ford
And I just been seeing a lot more recently when I say see this I see it on tour what he intero be are you in out on not using a t on a par three just throwing the ball down I see like Wyndham does this be I think I've seen do it recently.
58:33.16
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, um I actually.
58:34.93
Casey Ford
This is like a nightmare for me I cannot pick a ball like that off like I would rather hit hit my approach shots from like the first cut just so I have a little bit of a cushion underneath it. So really I think it's like the hardest thing to do.
58:43.00
dave_gerhardt
Um, I'm good with that I I do it a lot actually um yes, ah, but I I think so I think sometimes with the t I think the reason that I don't is I think sometimes with a t on a part 3 and hitting like an 8 iron having that thing teed up. Makes me feel like I'm playing a different shot where if I just treat it like a smooth 8 from the middle of the fairway and just clip it or something I can't exactly explain why but um, a couple maybe last some last year I played almost every part 3 without it I do think that the longer once I get past like a 7 iron like you know. If I'm hitting ah a 4 iron in a par three like I'm I'm teeing that that baby up but I get it I can't articulate why but I'm I'm good with it.
59:27.23
Casey Ford
Well I feel like I can almost articulate it and maybe I'm wrong and maybe someone smarter can tell us if this is right? but like I do not compress the ball that's a goal of mine I like want to learn how to really start compressing my irons I don't do it. You do it I've played with you a lot of times you have that ball flight. It's like ah like a plane taking off right.
59:40.55
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
59:44.71
Casey Ford
Mine goes straight up and then come down yours kind of is like a takeoff. Um I'm a picker. So I think it has to do with that like me being able to to just get under it whether if it's a 9 iron or even a for iron like that helps me get the ball up in the air. Um, contact is my is my issue and I I can get chunky on kind of fairway approach shots. So. I'm sure it's something to do with that. But do you notice you've seen that a lot more.
01:00:06.33
dave_gerhardt
Ah, well if you're listening if you're listening and you know the if you're listening. You know the answer um please please tell us.
01:00:12.78
Casey Ford
Yeah, and if you're wham Clark just don't don't write in. We're still walking off that ah us open last year. Um, last one you brought up earlier I've been thinking about this one for a while I like you am a big fan of minmu.
01:00:29.96
Casey Ford
I love him driver off the deck. He's an electric player but every time someone says let him cook a shriek goes through my body ah especially like Dan Hicks like 67 being like 1 cook ah all day. It's.
01:00:39.79
dave_gerhardt
Um, the Chef the Chef Why no did he say that? no.
01:00:48.53
Casey Ford
It's like when people call something a movie I have the same reaction like oh.
01:00:51.62
dave_gerhardt
ah ah yeah that Florida trip was a movie wait. Let him cook. Yeah why? Why do they call him the chef why I'm a ask chat gbt right? that why do they call? all.
01:00:55.93
Casey Ford
I love the guy I love everything what was it two weeks ago they had all the people in like chef's hat like I don't I just like.
01:01:09.12
dave_gerhardt
Minwu Li the chef please hold.
01:01:12.88
Casey Ford
It's just this let him cook thing I don't even if there's an origin story. We have to stop. Okay, this guy doesn't need this his whole career. Let's let him play him when we don't need like guys in their sixty s being like there's the Chef let him cook like that's how you're going to get people to turn off.
01:01:23.23
dave_gerhardt
Ah.
01:01:27.70
dave_gerhardt
Um, I know but this is like this is the world that we live in now where like social media has bled into. There's not like social media and mainstream media. It's like all one now and so all of the isms have like have bled in to to this.
01:01:30.63
Casey Ford
Projects.
01:01:42.54
Casey Ford
But this one almost feels like or what's the other one who's the guy. Um, like is it Sonja I but he calls himself like sonja him like guys everyone doesn't need. Yeah, everyone doesn't need a brand right? That's it's got a few ws under our belt before we.
01:01:49.55
dave_gerhardt
So Sun J him like he is him. That's great. Let him cook Dan Hicks really said let him cook.
01:01:59.92
Casey Ford
We yeah the the nicknames are going to take care of themselves when we start winning majors and stuff not just him every single person on that broadcast that was over 50 said it 3 times at least this week how a hundred percent a hundred percent but they need.
01:02:06.48
dave_gerhardt
For Minwu Lee that's amazing
01:02:11.37
dave_gerhardt
Maybe they have some like research assistant or something that like you know they're trying to connect with the fans I think.
01:02:19.27
Casey Ford
They need a research assistant to that assistant to come in and be like everyone stop. We're we're we're dumb with the let him cook stuff because like now I I like don't want to watch him because I don't want this like I don't get it. Just let the guy play. Don't let him cook let him play.
01:02:32.89
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, all right Chad Cbd doesn't really know the the the origin but um, for minwuli the chef isn't widely documented as an official moniker. However, nicknames like this can stem from a player's ability to cook up something special on the golf course think whipping up birdies and Eagles serving up impressive shots or simply having a flair. That's as creative and precise as a chef in the kitchen. Let him cook love that.
01:02:53.91
Casey Ford
I don't know why do why does min woley say let him cook well he doesn't say people say the phrase let him cook popular meanbo blah meaning let him do his thing after he finished for time for 6 and last year's players. Lee others saw an opportunity. He frequently shows personality. It's still it doesn't it doesn't let's just stop doing it. Can we agree all right? cool.
01:03:17.81
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, let's just stop trying too hard. It's like wearing a malbon hat.
01:03:26.50
Casey Ford
It works though. Plays.
01:03:28.85
dave_gerhardt
Ah I don't mean any disrespect I my I'm and happy to be dripped out in Malbo he's just gonna have to pay for it. So although who's the sucker I spent I spent $74 on this hat. So.
01:03:34.91
Casey Ford
That's right, everyone has the price I think I sent you that hat and if you don't think I almost checked out that day of like some ridiculous golf shoes on there. It's almost like a Halloween costume.
01:03:44.91
dave_gerhardt
I.
01:03:48.17
Casey Ford
Ah, store online when I when I browse to I'm like I'd never wear that but it'd be fucking hilarious if I did.
01:03:55.15
dave_gerhardt
All right this this podcast has run its course case good to see you good good to catch up. Um I'm going to be watching the Arnold Palmer invitational presented by Mastercard this week I'm excited to dig in and um, you know like I'll let I'll let you I'll let you do our sign off and. And we can get out of here.
01:04:13.26
Casey Ford
Rory Win the cognizant please but also come on the pod I should I'm set just just you get a win though if we're if we're giving him things to do one win a tournament like that please and 2 come on the pod.
01:04:15.70
dave_gerhardt
The cognizant that's over he. The cogn is over the Arl Palmer you got a win here. We go here's a here's a storyline for the pod I want I want Casey at the players and I want a Rory. Victory at the players. Also here's just given that it's you I feel like if you do go to the players which I feel like you're going to I guarantee you something ridiculous is going to happen or you'll have some type of run-in or encounter so we need to get you there and the rest is going to take care of itself.
01:04:49.59
Casey Ford
Well, if ah, ah this is exactly how it's going to play out I guarantee it if I do go I'm definitely not staying towards the end because I'm going to have to be like in and out I can't wait in like a 2 hour parking lot. They at home to my family who's you know, stabbing knives into my voodoo doll. Um. But I'll probably go it like I'll get there like I don't know I'll try to go it when the gates open and I'll be out of there by like one but I'll probably be there just to watch 17 when you can get there so early that it's just like the first four groups and ror will probably be like plus 2 in coming through you know sometimes they have the 1 guy play by himself because they don't have ah even numbers.
01:05:11.56
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah.
01:05:23.39
dave_gerhardt
Yes, yeah.
01:05:25.84
Casey Ford
So I'll be there on 17 by myself with Rory as he finishes his early early round. Ah no go for.
01:05:28.70
dave_gerhardt
Oh is it too late to ask you an inner o b I got one more no horse still okay Billy Horsha Inner Ob b
01:05:37.48
Casey Ford
This is like maybe the number 1 guy not just in golf but in life that if it was just based on me observing him I'd say out but I've heard him talk before I'm like I'm in on Billy like when you hear him talk like this is an everyman this is in every guy but you watch his demeanor. It's like this is a fucking asshole out there.
01:05:45.85
dave_gerhardt
Um, like I know I told this is why I asked it that like the way he steps in the the way he steps into a putt the way he dresses his whole thing.
01:05:58.73
Casey Ford
Like he he is like um Hatton has that anger but it's in a funny way. You know I mean like tyro Hatton will like talk shit to himself or like be sarcastic and the the Michael will pick it up I feel like Billy Horshel's has that same anger issue on the course but not in like a productive or funny way just like steam coming out of his ear.
01:06:05.22
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:18.72
Casey Ford
I Remember him specifically at Chambers Bay that um, whatever year that was the Us open and remember how like the greens were so squiggly and he would like Miss a putt and then do like this like squiggly line with his hand like show up a greenskeeper.
01:06:29.94
dave_gerhardt
Can you think of them. Can you think of another can you think of another professional athlete if you had to compare bill. You have a deep deep knowledge of other sports if you had to compare somebody in another sport to Billy Horshill on the spot.
01:06:47.88
Casey Ford
Um, ah it had to be someone. That's like all you always think is like in a bad mood. Um I don't know. Do you have one at the top your head I want to say like ah Adrian Betra just always seems like he's pissed off.
01:07:03.68
Casey Ford
But he's a hall of famer I don't know Billy Hos a hall of famer after he wins the ah after he wins the the palmer this weekend who come in the pod.
01:07:06.77
dave_gerhardt
It's a good one. He might be he might be all right? Billy Ho come on the pod rory come on the pod. We'll talk. We'll talk to you next week after the after project Pat gets his dub at the Api. All right case see you.
01:07:17.55
Casey Ford
Sounds good. Have a good week and Rory come on the pod.