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By any measure, Le Massif de Charlevoix is a big mountain! Standing 2,500 vertical feet above the St. Lawrence River, its trails run through forested glades and give skiers and riders an unparalleled view down to the river. We connected with one of Canada's great Olympic snowboard stars, Dominique Maltais, for a tour of her home mountain and the hospitality in her home of Charlevoix. Combine a trip to Le Massif's new Club Med with a few nights in nearby Quebec City for a spectacular winter holiday.
The lure of the mountains. Dropping your skis into a powder chute. Soaking in a panoramic alpine view. Relaxing by the fire at the end of a day. Inside the Mountain Collective takes you inside the world's most alluring mountains, helping you plot a Collective Trek vacation to multiple resorts.
Ep10 - Le Massif
Tom Kelly: [00:00:01] And today we're heading up to Le Massif in Quebec, an amazing resort overlooking the Saint Lawrence River. And we have a real star with us today, two time Olympic medalist, snowboard cross athlete, a native of the area who grew up in Le Massif, Dominique Maltais and Dominique, thank you so much for joining us here today on Inside the Mountain Collective.
Dominique Maltais: [00:00:23] The pleasure is for me. Thank you.
Tom Kelly: [00:00:26] Well, it's great to have you. And we're going to talk a little bit about your career. And I was excited to follow that. In the sport of snowboardcross, one of the first medalists back in 2006. And we'll come to that in just a little bit. But I wanted to first get a little bit of your background as a young girl growing up in Quebec. You started skiing and later snowboarding on Le Massif. Go back to your childhood and talk, if you could, about growing up around Le Massif and what it meant for you to be a young girl up on skis, up on that big mountain.
Dominique Maltais: [00:01:00] It's a long story, too, to be honest. I definitely started on skis. So I wasn't snowboarding when I was very young. I started skiing around seven or eight years old. And then I was this kind of little girl, always looking for adrenaline. So I was doing a lot of biking during summertime, eating jumps on my bike or even on my skis. And then I was a little bit curious about snowboarding. Snowboarding was quite a new sport and I was like very curious about that and I really wanted to start snowboarding. So when Le Massive was there, for the first time … their first chairlift. So I asked my parents to buy me a brand new snowboard. And the first time I snowboard, it didn't it didn't go well. Like I was crashing on my back, on my wrist, Like I couldn't I couldn't, ride, like even two meters without crashing. So I took off my snowboard off of my feet and I started crying and I was like, there's no way I'm going to go back on the snowboard in my life. Like, I hate that sport. And I was not able to snowboard, but I spent a summer thinking about snowboarding and why I couldn't snowboard because I was like, I was saying, I was a good girl, was good in sport.
Dominique Maltais: [00:02:30] Like I never had difficulty to do any sport. And it was so frustrating because I was not able to snowboard the first time. So I think about that the whole summer and the winter. After my first try, I asked my parents to go back on the snowboard and I don't know why for some reason, because I was so willing to learn and snowboard. It was actually not that bad. Instead, doing two meters without crashing, I was making four meters. And then it started like this. I was doing it wrong. And then I was improving myself winter after winter. And I was always looking to reach some personal goals. Like, for example, I was a kid, I'm good on a snowboard. So next year I'm going to do one. And the year after I was able to do 180. So next time I'm going to do a 360. And I was hitting jumps on the side and looking always for speed and riding through the woods. So I was kind of a little girl and I really wanted to be one of the best snowboarder. At that time, snowboardcross was pretty new as a discipline, and when I was looking snowboardcross, I was like, oh, it definitely looked like me. Like I'm … I love speed, I love hitting jumps.
Dominique Maltais: [00:03:59] I love the competition between people. So one winter I decided to try snowboard cross and I won and it started like this pretty quick. And the first year I was competing I won the national championship just before the whole national team. So that's where the national team actually saw me, saw me for the first time and the year after I was competing on the World Cup circuit and I had the second place on my second World Cup ever. So it's quite a start pretty quick on my side. But like I said, I was so passionate and it was such a big goal for me, like to be one of the best snowboarder. And I put like even at that time, like every single day where the school was closed, I was at the massive and writing on my snowboard every weekend. My parents dropped me like. At the ski resort. And I was snowboarding. And even sometimes when we were skiing, we were like a couple kids who just like their every weekend and hanging out there and having fun. So it's all started like this for me at Massive. And when I look back, because I'm a mom right now and I have two kids and I'm like, it's actually the perfect child. Child not like …
Tom Kelly: [00:05:32] Childcare.
Dominique Maltais: [00:05:33] Yeah, child care, child environment because it was like healthy. We play outside, we improve ourselves, we play with kids. It was like perfect, just perfect. Always outside and having fun.
Tom Kelly: [00:05:49] It was a big mountain, though. And I just thought, as a little girl, what did it feel like to be standing up on that big mountain, looking down on the river?
Dominique Maltais: [00:05:57] It was for us, like I born there for the center and the river. It's like something you see every day. So as a child, you're not like, waking up in the morning and you're like, looking at the Lawrence River and you're saying, Oh, it's so good. This is looking so good. I'm so lucky to live in a place like this. Like I … as a kid. You're like a kid. We have the St. Lawrence River, the ski resort just by my house. And we go there every weekend and that's it. Like, we were just like, very lucky to have this environment around us and a very safe environment for sure. Like it was a sport. We could hurt ourselves, but we were kids. Like it's not that busy too at that time. So our parents can just drop us there for the day. And they came back at 4:00 and that day was over. We snowboarded all day and every single storm like we were there and just enjoying ourselves with the view and the big ski resort we had the opportunity to to be on.
Tom Kelly: [00:07:15] I think some of us who live by mountains, whether that's in the east or out in the West and the Rocky Mountains, that sometimes we take it for granted. We live in these amazing places and you had this great opportunity to grow up by this mountain. And now people come from all over to ski Le Massif.
Dominique Maltais: [00:07:32] Yeah, exactly. It's yeah, like I said, as a child, you don't see this opportunity, but when you grow up and you see different things, different places, you're like, Oh, I'm very lucky. And I have the yeah, the, the, my parents give me this opportunity to, to enjoy the ski resort, the mountain life. And I was able to, to live from this passion and this opportunity for a couple years was like you said on the national team and on the World Cup circuit for so many years. So it's all because of that. Like and I'm very, very grateful for this.
Tom Kelly: [00:08:17] Before we talk about the mountain, let's talk a little bit more about your competitive career. You were fortunate to be a pioneer of snowboard cross. You were involved in the sport in its early days. You were there for its Olympic debut in 2006 in Torino, and it ended up being a successful medal day for you. Can you go back and talk about the early days of snowboardcross and what it meant for your sport to come into the Olympics in 2006?
Dominique Maltais: [00:08:46] Yeah, in 2006 it was definitely different. Can I say that the different set up and different vision of what snowboardcross was in 2014 or 15 when I quit the sport. But the good thing and that's why I always said like I was able to surf that wave because I mean, when we started in 2006, we didn't have video, We didn't look on our runs to improve ourselves or to try to get faster. In the course, we were like everything was new. So even the snowboard … I had like to snowboard for 2006 compared to 2014 at the Olympics, we had like six snowboard, like race, race preparation. And we every single snowboard was for one kind of condition, snow condition. So it was like totally different game. But like I said, I was able during like a lot of years during three Olympics and during three Olympics, I was able to keep the beat and keep follow the the progression of the sport and the discipline. So I've been very, very yeah, it was like very interesting for me because I, I push the discipline, I push myself. But on the other side, I push the disciplines, like even on the technical side, the snowboard, the base preparation, all the equipment, the binding.
Dominique Maltais: [00:10:24] I was like always looking to have better bindings like to, to be to be faster and to be more stable in the course. Physical preparation, the same, same thing. Like in 2006, we kind of had a physical preparation, but nothing compared to when I showed up in Sochi in 2014 and I was like very, very prepared for that day. And physically everything I was doing, it was like to be faster on a snowboard. So it was very interesting for me because I was one of those girls who always fixed some goals in my life. And from 2006 to 2010, I have some goals that I really want to reach to perform well in 2010, and the same from 2010 to 2014. I have personal goals and I really want to reach and to be one of the best snowboarder. And in 2014 and 15, I think I was like at my very, very top on every aspect in my sport because I knew this, the discipline really well. And I set those goals and I was like, just, yeah, so well prepared. And that's the thing. I think all the results showed that the good preparation at the end.
Tom Kelly: [00:11:58] Let's go back to 2006. That was a crazy metal final with a number of crashes that kind of changed the outcome. But your perseverance helped you to win that bronze medal. Can you just give us a quick recap of that 2006 gold medal event in Torino?
Dominique Maltais: [00:12:18] It was like I said, it was it was very special Olympic for me, like when I showed up there. I remember I talked with an Olympic medal medalist and he told me, Dom, I think the most important thing is to go there and have fun. And if you're doing another Olympics, you will have some experience. So don't don't have don't set any goals. Just go there and have fun. But for sure, I was going to have fun. But like in my mind, I set some goals and I really want to step on the podium that day. And for the final, I was going to pass mail on the very first section of the course mile crash. I kept going and in one one turn I was going to pass the Swiss girls and our boards. They touched each other. And I was the one who lost balance. And I flew right in through the nets. So at that time, I was like, okay, it's over. She’s going to come back and finish third, and I'm going to finish fourth for sure. But I just, okay, there's nothing else that I can do. So just walk back in the course and finish the race and that's it. There's nothing else to do. So that's what I did. And when I passed the finish line, I went off my couple like one one of my friends ran to me and she said, Hey, Dom, you finished her bronze medal? I'm like, What? No.
Dominique Maltais: [00:14:05] And she said, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like your third, you won the bronze. And I was like, Really? Okay. So the race was a little bit special for sure. When you're doing snowboard cross, you don't want to race like that for sure. Like you. You like you like it when you have a proper run, a proper race, like nobody is touching each other. You do your run. You finish first, second or third because you're riding is strong and you did your fastest line and nothing happened. But when there's a lot of crashes like that, and especially when Lindsey Jacobellis was first and she crashed like a couple meters before the finish line, we were like, no way. What? That's discipline. But it's definitely put me on the spotlight for the very … very beginning of my career as a snowboarder. So it helped me to discover all the Olympic environment and what the middle can bring you after. I mean, like sponsorship, visibility. My name was like I was. I was not like an unknown Quebecers doing snowboardcross. I was like Dominique who won the bronze medal at the Olympic in Torino. So for sure, it helped me, like for the rest of my season and end of my career too.
Tom Kelly: [00:15:41] Well, it was a spectacular race, crazy as it was. But you had the perseverance to get down the course and not give up. Well, let's shift back to Le Massif and talk about the ski area itself. And this is where I urge listeners to take a minute right now, put the podcast on hold and bring a trail map up on your screen so you can follow along. And just first of all, you just looking at the trail map, you see the majesty of this place with all of the runs leading down to the Saint Lawrence River. I want to talk first. You can approach the resort either from the bottom or the top. Can you talk about that a little bit?
Dominique Maltais: [00:16:21] Yeah. Like at the very beginning, like the massive was just like reaching from the bottom. So from the village down there and a couple of years after they built like a really nice chalet, like a big chalet at the top. And so now people can reach Le Massif from the top. So I think it's one of the only or the only ski resort where you can reach the ski resort actually from the top and the bottom. So that's mean like the people coming from the city because you have like a highway kind of at the top of the massive so they can step right from the top or if they're deciding to stay in the village, in the village or around, they can just keep driving and drive all the way down to the village down there. And they can actually reach Le Massif from the bottom too. So for me for sure it was so easy because I'm still living in the village. I still live there. So for me, I just go in my car and drive two minutes and I'm right there. And from the people who not, not live in the area, they're coming from Quebec City or even farther so they can just stop at the top. And I think they save like a big 20 minutes because from the top and the bottom, you have to drive a big 20 minutes. So they save a lot of time. And especially when there's a big storm, you save a lot of time, which means like a really nice powder run.
Tom Kelly: [00:18:08] So for those who are coming to your area for the first time using their Mountain Collective pass, can you give the listeners an idea of how far it is from Montreal and then also from Quebec City, from Quebec?
Dominique Maltais: [00:18:20] It's not that far. It's around 50 minutes. Like when you drive there, we, you know, you know where you're going and the drive is really, really nice. It's all by their sentence. River and not a lot of traffic. Very nice drive. Montreal It's about like 3 hours I would say depending where you start from Montreal But let's say four hours even there like the drive is really nice and once you pass Quebec City, it's a bit more quiet. So the drive is by the entrance river. And then you try, you, you start to drive up in the mountain and you reach the massive couple minutes after.
Tom Kelly: [00:19:10] Quebec City is quite a remarkable place, isn't it?
Dominique Maltais: [00:19:14] Oh, yeah. Quebec City is a big city, but it's not it's not that busy. I mean, it's just by the St. Lawrence River, it looks like it's like st where but a little bit more people and it's a big city it's you have everything around there. A very nice restaurant, a lot of things to do. And if you decided to go more in the forest or would like good experience, you just keep going. 45 minutes, 50 minutes and you hit our very nice area which is called Charlevoix and you have a lot of outdoor activities to do.
Tom Kelly: [00:20:01] Yeah, I do encourage folks, if you are flying into Montreal, definitely spend some time in Quebec City during your trip to Le Massif. Let's talk about the mountain itself. 54 runs, eight lifts, 645 centimeters of average annual snowfall. And for those of you in the US, that's around 250 inches. Give us a little mountain tour. Dominique, if you could, if you're escorting an intermediate skier or snowboarder and you're going to take them up to introduce them to your mountain Le Massif, for the first time, what are some of the runs you're going to take them on on that first morning?
Dominique Maltais: [00:20:39] The first morning. I would say there's always different mornings, like if it's snow or big storm or no big storm. Like if you're looking to ride very nice grooming. I would say you're going with the popular run La Petite-Rivière. So it's one trail where you pretty much ski down with the St. Lawrence river view all the way down. So it feels like you're going to jump into the St. Lawrence River. You have the beautiful view. If it's sunny and it's not too cloudy, you would see like a lot of folks going there. So it's definitely one of the runs I would recommend to warm up yourself and get ready for the rest of the day if it's a snowy day or a big storm the last couple of hours, I would say I would go. Yeah, like Le Charlevoix. It's been building to host the Olympics in Quebec was supposed to come a couple years ago and never happened. But that trail was to host the women’s downhill. And it's one of those trails, very, very wild. A lot of inclination. So if you have a lot of snow, it's … you can get a lot of speed there with a really nice view. And even the whole area there around that trail is very good. Like you can even ride in through the forest. The snow is always good there. Even if there's a lot of people on the hill, you can always find a good spot with fresh snow, even Camp-Boule It's one of my favorite places. Even when I was young, I was always going there. Sometimes people don't think to ride there early in the morning because they want to go more on the classic trail. But if they had a big storm and a lot of good snow, fresh good snow, I would definitely go there to.
Tom Kelly: [00:23:13] Now, I also understand that there is some off piste skiing and riding available as well. Can you tell us about that?
Dominique Maltais: [00:23:21] Yeah, it's a new area that did develop a couple of years ago, so you can actually have a little hike. But every one, three rounds you're going to do there, it's fresh snow. So it's a little bit wrong. So sometimes people, they're like, oh, no, I don't feel like it today. I don't feel like walk a little bit. But it's not that complicated to get there. And if you even know this … the trails was going to reach that area, like you don't have to walk that much. And you can start with the main area in the morning and as the day goes you can just go there, have a little walk and then just enjoy the fresh snow in this area.
Tom Kelly: [00:24:19] It's a really interesting new feature. I want to go, though, to one run that stood out to me and that's the run that is named after you. Can you give us a little background on how that came to be and what it's like to ride or ski that run?
Dominique Maltais: [00:24:35] Yeah, it's funny because that trail has a name before they name it Le Dominique Maltais and the people that I know, they always. Oh, I rode your trail today. Did you ask my permission? Because you're not allowed to ride my trail today because there's a lot of snow. But like it is not easy today and I. No, I'm not easy … that kind of joke but yeah when I won my first medal they wanted to name a trail, Le Dominque Maltais, And there's only one trail who then didn't have an official name. They call it the cygne, which is a swan in English is the trail you go through through the forest like they still have trees. And it's not the it's not a trail that can be groomed. So they name that trail, Le Dominique Maltais, and it was actually really funny because when I was young I was saying that we were like, a lot of kids always spend every weekend at Le Massif and we used to go there to write very nice powder because in that that trail they have big trees or big rocks and these rock with a lot of snow over. It was a very nice jam packed tree. And the pitch was very good too. So you can have very, very good speed and very good challenge and jumps and that trail and then they actually … that trail on my name. So that was very funny. And yeah, if I was at that time, if I had to choose one trail as my favorite one, this one was my favorite. So it was pretty funny.
Tom Kelly: [00:26:33] I know you have children now. Are they skiers or snowboarders?
Dominique Maltais: [00:26:37] Yeah, but.
Tom Kelly: [00:26:39] Have you taken them on your trail? They try to. Have you taken them on your trail yet?
Dominique Maltais: [00:26:44] No, not yet. Not yet. But we're building last winter because I have a chalet in the forest. So we go. We go there very often in the winter. They're not old enough. Yes, but my little boy is not old enough to do the whole ski resort. Probably this winter, but then not last winter. So we built, we built a big jump outside out of my chalet and through the forest, and I was like, okay, go. And so we start like this. My little girl ski down Le Massif like she's able to ski, but my little boy is too young. But this winter is one of the goals for sure.
Tom Kelly: [00:27:34] They'll grow into it for sure. When? When you need to take a break up on the mountain, what are some of the favorite spots? You have to have a coffee or tea or have lunch.
Dominique Maltais: [00:27:46] And like I said, I'm I born in the village down there. But obviously, Francois and for sure, I as a kid, the chalet down there is my chalet, like it's a part of my cell. So when I go snowboarding or skiing, we go up there, like in the chalet at the top of the mountain pretty often. But I would say if I have the choice to go for a coffee, I go to the Chalet down there at the bottom because it's my chalet. Like I have so many nice, nice memories in this chalet. And I know a lot of people, like, I feel like at home I go there for a coffee in the morning and it's like I feel like I'm in my house and I'm just drinking a coffee. Like, even going there with my kids, they just put off like, their ski boots or snowboard boots and they're running everywhere and we're having a coffee. And they kind of like me when I was young. They feel like at home, too, when they are at the chalet down there.
Tom Kelly: [00:29:02] Let's talk about the chalets that are up on the top of the mountain … Chalet du Sommet and Camp-Boule. Can you give us a little background on them and what are the views like from up there?
Dominique Maltais: [00:29:12] The view is awesome. Like that's for the reason they build a chalet up there. Like The View is so wonderful when it's two when it's not cloudy. You can see the whole St Lawrence River, you can see the boats coming like farther back where it is a little cooler than those areas. So the view, the view is just like there's no word to describe this, like it's one of the best view, the chalet, the atmosphere there, everything is very nice. The food to the food is not you're not eating, put in or thing like this. It's always fancy food with the local special product too. Like in Shalev, where we do a lot of cheese, wine, beer, gin, and me too. So they did all the meals and they all like based on all local products. So it's a very nice experience, like the chalet, the view, the food. The people are very nice too. And once you go there to warm up yourself, it's nice because you don't have to go back in the trip to go up. You're ready to do your run and it's you're ready to go.
Tom Kelly: [00:30:41] Beautiful. It just sounds like a magical place. Yeah, I know that. Club Med has also opened a hotel that's literally right at the bottom of the mountain now.
Dominique Maltais: [00:30:50] Yes, The Club Med is at the bottom. Too close to the whole chalet. The chalet was starting a little bit before the chalet where it feels like home, like a Club Med is just beside this. And the Club Med, for sure. It's. It's an experience itself, like it's a very big hotel, like it's all inclusive. So I never had the experience to go there as a customer. But I have the chance to visit the Met and it's a very fancy hotel and like I said, the same thing as Le Chalet at the top of the mountain. Like they use a lot of local products, local food. So it's all you, it's all experience. It's about Charlevoix, all the outdoor activities and the meals you eat. It's from Charlevoix. It tastes like Charlevoix and you have, like the ski resort, just the backyard. So the same thing, like you go there, you warm up yourself, you eat. And then when you're ready to hit the hill, you just go outside and the mountain is there. Same thing for the summer, like summer. It's biking. Winter is skiing, but it's exactly the same thing for summertime.
Tom Kelly: [00:32:21] Well, it just sounds like such an amazing place. And I hope that all of our Mountain Collective pass holders listeners are going to head out there this winter. I thank you for your time and going through a mountain tour with us. We're going to wrap it up with our Collective Dreams section. I have just a few short questions to close out our talk. First of all, let's go back to your time as an athlete who was your toughest rival on the snowboard cross tour in your over a decade of competing? Who was your toughest rival?
Dominique Maltais: [00:32:59] I think at the end it was Eva Adamczykova. But she was not constant like she is … sometimes she can be very fast and sometimes she was not. Not fast at all. But she was one of the hardest rebel. But I'm happy because she's still competing and she's still one of the best. So that's mean. I was not the only one with trouble with her, but she was a good competitor and she was like a bit younger than me. She came up with a very precise preparation, like, compared tome, like she started competing snowboardcross. She was like physically prepared for snowboardcross. So she starts snowboardcross. She was like very young compared to me when I started … I was like 18, 19 years old. So she was that new generation. It was snowboardcross, very young. But like I said before, like I was still able to compete against her. I won a couple races with her competing with me. So, yeah, she was one of the tough girl for sure.
Tom Kelly: [00:34:22] Cool. Do you have a favorite run at Le Massif? A favorite run. And maybe it's your own run.
Dominique Maltais: [00:34:30] I think it's my own run.
Tom Kelly: [00:34:32] All right, that's perfect. Because you control that one.
Dominique Maltais: [00:34:35] Yeah. Like when there's a lot of snow. Like I said, there's. There's a lot of big rocks, and it's naturally make very big jumps. So. And when you know, when you know this, the mountains, like, you just go from top to bottom and there's jumps there. You have like kind of a course like when you know the mountain, you go from top to bottom and you like, can you do your run? And there's a little pass with the big wall. So you hit that wall. So it's yeah, definitely. I think it's my favorite run.
Tom Kelly: [00:35:16] Cool. Your favorite spot in the morning to have a coffee or tea before you go out. Up, up on the mountain. Your favorite morning spot.
Dominique Maltais: [00:35:26] I would say for sure the very first runner. I don't stop for coffee. I go for a run. I want to have the first run, first track. But after that, I'm going to go definitely at the bottom. Like I said, the chalet at the bottom is like home. So I go there, I just sit down and start to talk with people. There's a lot of locals, and locals are very social and always happy when there's a lot of snow. Everybody's happy. So it's my favorite spot to go for a coffee.
Tom Kelly: [00:36:05] Sounds good. Do you have a favorite local craft beer? A favorite beer, or are there too many?
Dominique Maltais: [00:36:14] I think there's too many. I don't want to put myself in trouble because like I said, we have a lot of local products and I know there's a lot of places where they made their own beers. So yeah, I don't want to put myself in trouble, but there is a lot of places in Charlevoix where we made our own beer, jam, cheese, meat. We have everything here. It's easy like that if you feel like eating a Swiss fondue, you have a place for if you're looking for kind of a European experience like you have a couple hotel and restaurant for that too. So yeah we're we have we're pretty lucky for lucky for this.
Tom Kelly: [00:37:10] I'll take that as a good answer. And then finally, last question. And this is always a tough one. If you could give me one word that speaks to what Le Massif means to you, and I'll take that word in English or French.
Dominique Maltais: [00:37:27] One word.
Tom Kelly: [00:37:28] One word.
Dominique Maltais: [00:37:38] Uh, roots.
Tom Kelly: [00:37:42] Roots. That's a good one. I love it.
Dominique Maltais: [00:37:44] Yeah.
Tom Kelly: [00:37:45] How do you say that in French?
Dominique Maltais: [00:37:47] Racines, but. Yeah, like racines because it's a part of myself. Like I was saying at the beginning, it's my story as a snowboarder and yeah, it started from there. But if I say one word for people who never visit our place, never visit the massive, it's an experience.
Tom Kelly: [00:38:20] Well, it has been a wonderful experience to speak with you today. You are charming. And I want to also let our listeners know Dominique is doing this podcast from a fire station where she is a firefighter. And I know that was a life. Yet there you go. That was a life dream of yours, wasn't it?
Dominique Maltais: [00:38:40] Oh, yeah. That was a kids dream for sure. I always wanted to do two things in my life. It was to be one of the best snowboarder and be a firefighter. So.
Tom Kelly: [00:38:54] Well, you have. Yeah, you have it done. We look forward to visiting you out at Le Massif to see you sometime. Thank you so much for talking to us. Talking to us on Inside the Mountain Collective.
Dominique Maltais: [00:39:06] You're very welcome, Tom, and a pleasure to welcome you at Le Massif. Any time.
Tom Kelly: [00:39:12] Dominique Maltais, two time Olympic medallist, world championship medallist, great snowboarder and representative of Le Massif.