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on today's episode We have
Eli Mack and you're like what?
I've heard that name before Eli was
on the podcast for episode 5 and then
episode 111 so just last Wednesday
he was on and we're doing something a
little bit different for today's Friday
episode Rather than just me, I asked
Eli to come on and share about what he
uses, the fencing equipment he uses on
his farm, and to expand into KiwiTek.
Eli has his farm, Mack Farms.
He also works for Ken Cove Farm Fence,
which is a supporter of the Grazing
Grass podcast, and grazers everywhere.
So I've asked him to come on, share what
he's using, and then we get into KiwiTek.
I think it's a really informative episode.
I really gained some stuff from KiwiTek
because I was curious about it and I'm may
order me some to try and see how it goes.
Anyway, I think it's a nice episode.
Talk about someone else and really
taking a deep dive into their,
his fencing program and what
Kencove offers along that line.
I told you a couple of weeks
ago, we were going to get into
livestock coat color genetics.
And we still are.
I've just pushed that
back just a little bit.
I did tell you it would
be the next episode.
I apologize.
I changed my schedule up.
It is coming up though.
Enough of that.
Let's talk to Eli.
cal_1_05-08-2024_132358: Eli, we want
to welcome you back to the podcast.
For today's episode, we're doing
something a little bit different.
We asked you to come back on, talk
about fencing that you're using on your
farm, as well as what Kencove offers.
So let's just jump right into it.
And for everyone, If you didn't
catch Wednesday's episode where we
talked with Eli about what's happened
on his farm since the original
episode 5, that aired in November
of 2020, go back and listen to those
episodes and then come catch us here.
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359: Yes, sir.
Always a pleasure to be on with you
any chance I get to sit down and
chat with you I'm gonna take it so
cal_1_05-08-2024_132358: Let's
jump into your fencing, Eli.
What equipment do you use on Mack farms?
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359:
sure Over the past couple years.
I've put up a few high tensile
perimeters but not even the whole
farm has a hard exterior perimeter
some of it is still just twine around
the outskirts, and then everything
interior is twine, soft fence, temporary
interior fencing, paddock divisions.
What I started doing, because I've
been planting a lot of trees along
my long paddock divisions that I
know are staying in place for good.
So to protect them, I've used our
braided twine, like four strands
to keep the cows and the sheep both
out of them while they're growing.
And usually a one inch or an inch and
a quarter fiberglass rod or sucker rod,
as we call it at the ends is strong
enough to anchor four strands of twine.
No big deal.
So those I used To mark the
edges of my paddock stretches.
And then if I do any divisions of
those paddocks probably for the
last year or two, my weapon of
choice has been the KiwiTek spool.
KiwiTek stuff is all pretty modular.
You can piece it together and use it
how you want it a couple different ways.
I choose to use it in simple form, which
is just that spool with a click in handle.
It just snaps in and you give it like
a hula hoop motion and it winds up.
For me, it's just, that's lightweight.
It's super easy to carry and
move from one site to the other.
The other thing for me, my paddocks
are usually pretty, pretty tight
and small cause we're going for
heavy impact and then move on.
So I'm usually not
stretching out more than.
100 or 150 feet at one time.
So it's not like I need a
whole quarter mile reel like we
normally do, for the geared reels.
So not having it geared is not
an issue for those orbital reels
and not having a whole lot of
twine isn't a big deal either.
And we can share some links
if we need to give people an
idea of what that looks like.
Or I can put some videos up on,
on my Instagram or whatever.
But those are just arm powered.
The Kiwi tech stuff does have
a gearbox as a central hub that
you can get if you want to build
something that's more like a reel.
And that gearbox is actually
four to one, not just three to
one, like the typical reels.
So that's what I use for twine
and for my, quote, reels.
I do like our Kencove braided twine.
The braid gives it the
additional strength.
I don't really have any snapping or
breakage and the mixed metal, it's
got six strands of stainless steel and
three tin copper, and that actually
gives it a significant conductivity
advantage over just stainless steel.
So I'm a big fan of that.
I always tie off with a Xamarin handle or
our item code is GPZ is what we call them.
A little plastic handle,
and I love them because they
conduct the whole way through.
There's a conductive hook, but then right
inside that there's an insulated hook.
If you need to go adjust something,
you can just dead end it so that
you're not shocking yourself while
you're fixing your line or whatever.
They're also lightweight, so they make
a great companion with those really
small, minimalistic KiwiTek spools.
And then my other favorites, I know
everybody in our business really
likes the O'Brien step in posts.
I'm a fan of those.
I've also used a lot of the gray
SunGuard posts with the built in clips.
I think those
are they're, there's
different versions of them.
I think there's only one U.
S.
manufacturer of them.
And I think they're to be
discontinued, unfortunately.
So I think we, we have our
last shipment at Ken Cove.
As we're making this
podcast episode, I believe.
But then after that, I think
they're going to be hard to find.
Your tractor supplies and stuff will
probably sell similar step in posts,
but they're not from the same source
and not necessarily the same strength
as far as the clips are concerned.
But I do those cause you can use
that top clip to clip into another
post and make a really quick
makeshift brace post for your twine.
That is usually what my
daily setup looks like.
Braided twine, paddock divisions,
braided twine on KiwiTex spools.
And then O'Brien step in post
for line posts, fiberglass sun
guard posts for the braces.
Yeah.
cal_1_05-08-2024_132358: Oh, yeah.
Very good.
I there's a couple things I want
to dive in there But before we dive
into it, what kind of energizer
do you have that's powering all
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359:
That's a good question.
cal_1_05-08-2024_132358: and
we'll start there and work
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359: Yeah.
I have a couple of different
scenarios right now.
I have a six jewel remote energizer
in the barn that powers what would
be that hard perimeter fence that
I've built with high tensile.
It would be now what today is
considered a Power Wizard brand.
Back when I bought it,
it was a Kenco brand.
But now we've transitioned all
those models to just be Power
Wizard with the manufacturer.
They're good units,
especially the remote ones.
I'm a big fan of that.
So typically your six joule
and your 13 joule, you can
get with remote capabilities.
I have sheep on a remote property
that are in electric netting.
And for them, I use the SpeedRite
one joule solar all in one.
With that, you can pretty comfortably
charge up to four nets at one time.
Because that's usually our recommendation
is an output joule per mile of
fence or at least a quarter joule
for every electric net that you're
looking to add on to your system.
And then right now the sheep at the
home farm, I'm still trying to get
their cooperation with electric fencing.
So they're in netting and I have a
SpeedRite dual purpose three jewel
on them, and it's running off of
a 12 volt battery just because I
want to make sure that three jewel
was pushing through all four nets.
Nice and strong.
I'll swap out batteries and
recharge them as I need to.
But that definitely keeps
those nets hot for the sheep.
So between the three, depending on
where I'm at it's one of the three.
cal_1_05-08-2024_132358: on
the on your energizer at the
main place with the remote.
I love the remote I had Stafix with
the remote Wonderful, of course,
that's SpeedRite now except I've moved
away from the SpeedRite energizers,
so I no longer have that remote
control capability and I miss it.
I love the Zammer handles,
except I go over, I had a heifer
get on neighbor's pasture.
I'm still shocked why she did, but
I go over and I'd never met him.
He'd bought this land last fall and
they'd been working, he's got a few cows.
So I met him and we took We,
we got her back over there and
then I said, Hey, come over.
We'll go look at my
cattle and what I'm doing.
And we went over and I said, so this
fence is going to be really hot.
And I put my remote on
there to see the voltage.
And I was running 0.
0.
I was like, I got a problem.
When I checked, I forgot to move that
Zammer hook from the non hot to the
hot.
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359:
I've done that before.
I'll
walk out and there's a calf somewhere.
It's not supposed to be like,
nah, how did that happen?
And I get out there and
I just forgot to hook up
the handle.
cal_1_05-08-2024_132358: right,
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359: yeah,
cal_1_05-08-2024_132358: and even
though they had to get out, got out
because the fence wasn't hot, they
will not go back across it, yeah,
on, so I love the Zammer hooks.
I missed the remote and that was one day.
I was like it was another day
I was moving a couple reels.
I was moving them hot and I've got
little jumpers I use once in a while
and I put them on and it's shocking
me through that jumper Which means
my animals are not getting out,
but it also means I don't want to
touch it And I really
missed my remote that day
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359:
I bet, but they just save so
much time back and forth too.
You can diagnose and fix
right in the same spot.
No, no trips back to the Energizer.
I think if you have a paddock of
any size, I think it's a must have.
cal_1_05-08-2024_132358: on your other two
energizers you've got a little portable
one joule one running and you mentioned
it'll run up to four of the nets.
What kind of voltage are you
getting out of your two chargers?
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359: Yeah.
For the sheep for cattle, I
would say if you're above 3.
0, you're probably going to be
effective at keeping the cattle in.
Sheep, I like to be higher than that.
I like to be at 5.
0 or higher.
So with the netting, because there's so
much of the conductors wrapped around that
monofilament, you're going to naturally
have more resistance on a net than
you would maybe the braided twine, and
especially on smooth high tensile wire.
So typically if I'm seeing 6 or 7.
5, Up to eight.
I know that I'm pushing maximum
for what multiple nets are going to
conduct.
Very rarely do I see nines and
tens, especially if you have, a
little bit of vegetation up on
the line with our electric nets.
And I think most of this way,
that very bottom strand is dead.
So there's no electricity going
through it just so that you're not
grounding out in the growing season.
It's pretty common to get some
vegetation up on that next line or two.
So for me if I'm at seven and
eight on those electric nets
I'm pretty happy about that.
Six, I'm still effective.
Five, I say, okay, I can either do some
weed whacking work before I set up the
next one, or I need to adjust something
to get better voltage out of it.
But with the solar one,
I typically will see.
a little bit lower of a reading
than the dual purpose run one
running off of the battery.
And that dual purpose is
a three joule compared to a one joule.
So it is, it's pushing a lot
compared to the other one.
So typically my reading there
is a little bit bigger than
just the solar all in one unit.
cal_2_05-08-2024_133621: I have a
couple of little solar units, just
Gallagher, that I purchased at the
local feed store, and they don't have
near the output I want, but they work.
And if I need to throw up a fence
real quick, and I don't have
anything close by, I can do it.
I like the idea of a one jewel,
that'd be much better than these
little, I want to say 16 jewel ones.
But it works reasonably well enough.
As long as the sheep's got enough
grass, they don't pressure my
poly braid, if I'm using poly
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359: Yeah.
And they're super handy
just to have around.
Every now and then you get in a bind,
you don't have time to go address the
real issue on the fence and you're
like, man, I know if I hook this
handle up, we're going to be at like 2.
8 and that's not going to be good enough.
But if I just leave this line insulated
and I hook the solar energizer on
it, or the little energizer, whatever
you have on hand, I can at least get
up to five or six and call it good
until I get through my fence fix.
Sometimes It's the ticket you need to
just get by for the day until you have
more time to deal with the actual issue.
cal_2_05-08-2024_133621: right.
And that's really true.
Some days I just need it
fixed so I can move on.
I'll take care of it later.
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cal_2_05-08-2024_133621: Going on
past that, going to your KiwiTek.
I had seen KiwiTek on the Kencove
website, I want to say a few years ago.
Probably about the time
they added it to their line.
And I looked on the website and I
was just confused by what to get.
I watched a couple videos.
And I just wasn't sure where to start.
And you've already talked about
KiwiTek just a little bit.
Tell us just a touch more about that,
and what, if someone wanted to try
KiwiTek, and why would they want to
try it, what would they need to get to
try that?
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359:
Those are all good questions.
The KiwiTek line it's resurfacing as
new, but it's been around for a while.
It was a thing back in the seventies
or eighties and Kenco was supplying it.
Even then it was all
like millimeters cause it's coming
from New Zealand and Australia.
We didn't really have good
translation of sizes here at the time.
So it was hot on the scene and then it
fizzled out and recently Kenco has picked
it back up again and it's gaining more
and more attention You might've seen it
under the name like spider fence back
then, it was part of that whole series.
So now it's, some people still call
it that, but it's more so referred
to at least by us as Kiwi tech.
The beauty of Kiwi tech is that it's
very modular and I don't know if
you've ever broken parts on your three
to one reel, some parts are pretty
easy to get, others are a little bit
more difficult but the Kiwi tech, you
can buy parts, replace it, you can.
Buy this kit and decide you want
something else and use the parts
you have to build the bigger thing
it's like Legos for an adult grazer.
It's just it's a beautiful
cal_2_05-08-2024_133621: Oh, yeah.
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359: So
it can be a little confusing there.
There's some older videos out there
from Kiwi tech you know very You know
Kiwi style videos and there's some
others and other languages that are
just hard to understand You And they
all have their own names for things.
This is the beef pack or the sheep
pack or the carry pack for this.
cal_2_05-08-2024_133621: Oh,
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359: it's
really easy to get confused and all that.
So the way we've done it at Kencove
is we call them a carry pack, which
is a four to one geared winder with a
carry rack for step in post and Kiwi
tech has their own line of Kit pieces
to make your own step in posts if
you want customizable step in posts.
And then there's the geared winder
Which is basically just your reel, a
four to one reel with no post rack.
And then there's the spools, which
go on a carry pack, a winder, or
like I mentioned at the beginning,
just using them as a handheld
orbital motion to wind up your twine.
From there, there are parts and pieces.
Like your standard three to
one reel has the guard on the
front to keep it from jumping
and getting all tangled.
Kiwi tech kind of uses the pigtail style
guard to contain any wires coming in.
And I guess the point I'm getting to with
that is Kiwi tech gives you the ability.
To wind up multiple strands at
one time with a four to one ratio.
So you can do a one strand, two strand
or three strand with a Kiwi tech pack.
If you're doing multi species grazing,
or if you're doing sheep grazing
and you need multiple strands.
But you don't want to deal
with four separate reels.
KiwiTek is a legitimate option.
It's still pretty lightweight because
those spools are nice and compact.
You would just buy a different
guide that accommodates the multiple
strands.
And then the other key feature that I
really like about the geared KiwiTek
stuff is what we call the chuck.
It's like the big slug that you
slide on your four to one hub.
And that's what these spools.
Get seated on, you slide them on.
They're like a cassette
disc looking thing.
And the end is adjustable.
You can tighten or loosen how
much drag those spools have,
which is crucial when you're winding up
multiple, because if you've ever tried to
make your own little contraption before,
you'll know that one of them goes tight
before the other one, and then that one's
throwing slack because it's not tight.
And now you have a
big mess.
So the adjustable chuck takes out that
whole headache because it allows whatever
one goes tight first to just free spin.
While the other ones are
still gathering up twine.
So you could have, three strands all
coming in and out of tension at different
times, and it's just rolling with it.
cal_2_05-08-2024_133621: Oh,
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359: then
the guys who are very efficient
with the whole set, you'll see them
using the winder with the post rack.
So we would call that a carry pack
and they can be paying out wire.
Grabbing a step in post off the rack,
clipping it in and stepping it in
the ground all in the same motion.
So if you really want to maximize
the Kiwi tech system, you can do set
up and tear down in one pass instead
of I'm going to pay out the wire.
And then I'm going to come back
and put the step in posts in.
And then when I tear down, I'm going to.
Pull all the stepping posts and come
back and wind them up one at a time,
just so they don't get tangled.
It really alleviates all that.
If you practice it, you
can save a lot of time.
You can be very effective.
I do think there is a
learning curve to it.
Even just getting the motion
down for using the orbital
reel took me about a week.
You just have to get
that muscle memory in.
But once you practice with it
and you get the hang of it, you
can pick it up and you'll be very
effective at your paddock move.
cal_2_05-08-2024_133621: So if
you're going to just do the orbit
spool, so you need a spool and then
you need like a snap in handle to
hold it so you can spin, do your
spinning.
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359: Yeah.
The spool and we sell the spool.
You can get it three ways.
You can get it as a bare spool,
it's empty, and you can load it with
whatever kind of twine you like.
That's what I choose
to do most of the time.
I'll put our braided twine
on it cause I'm a big fan.
Kiwi Tech does sell it as a half
size and a full size, which would be
the equivalent of 660 feet or 1, 320
feet like our standard reels are.
But they use a very thin twine.
They call it a tight twist.
It's six strands of stainless steel.
It's a lot smaller, so they can fit a
lot more on those really narrow spools.
I've used it successfully for probably
three seasons now, and I'm getting to the
point now where if a sheep goes through
it, I'm getting some breaking and I'm I'm
just quick tying it together, I know some
guys aren't a fan of that but the ones
that I have the braided twine on, I don't
have any issues with it breaking, but I
can only fit about, 500 to 600 feet of
braided twine on those spools just because
it's thicker and it takes up more space.
That
pretty much maxes out the spool.
The KiwiTek twisted tight twist 600 feet.
There's still a lot of room left on
that spool, but with braided twine, it
pretty much takes up the whole thing.
And yes the spool, the snap in handle
allows you to do the whole orbital thing.
The snap in handle contains an extra peg.
If you snap the one off that pops into the
spool, you can just pull it out, replace
it, and you have another one ready to go.
cal_2_05-08-2024_133621: Oh, okay.
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359: and then the
spools all have holes around the rim and
they sell what's called a a release hook.
And it's something that you can
slide down over a three eights.
post, a fiberglass post, lock it in
place with one of their little wedges.
And then it's got two fingers that
pop through the outside of those
holes to hold the spool in place.
And as long as you have
that 3 8ths post braced.
It shouldn't move.
I've actually cheated on this
and I'll give the listeners
an inside scoop on that.
All of those holes on the spool
are three eights diameter.
And at Kencove, we sell three
eights fiberglass posts.
We also sell little chunks of three
eights for people that want to drill a
hole and do an offset and a wooden post.
So instead of, I probably shouldn't
tell you this, but it's a good tip.
Instead of spending extra money.
On the very specific item and having
to replace it each time with the
snap in handle or the release hook.
You can always just slide a three
eights up in there, do the whole wind.
And what I end up doing is if you
can picture the spool has, flanges,
I'll shove the flange into a post, a
fiberglass post, a sucker rod post.
And then I'll slide that pin
through the outer holes instead
of using the release clip.
That might be hard to explain, but
you'd have to hop on my Instagram and
I'll show you what that looks like.
But those little chunks of fiberglass
are super cheap, and it won't
break nearly as easily
as the release hooks do.
So you'll save money and
you'll have it forever.
So that would be my recommendation
for people that want to
do the orbital rail style.
cal_2_05-08-2024_133621: One thing on
those spools, I purchased, I think I
have two spools and I got it with the I
forget what you called it the poly braid
is more visible to the animals, so I
don't like the idea of the really thin.
To me it's good to know you
can get it without, so you can
put that poly braid onto it.
Now, The other thing you can do the
orbital winding of it, or you can get
those carry cases, and I see, or carry
packs, and I see those, and you said those
also, they can carry the posts with them?
Is that part of that
carry pack, how it puts
it on
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359: if you get
just a winder It'll have a handle like
a normal three to one reel is and you're
just holding it and winding it The carry
pack, in place of that holding handle,
you put the pedestal for the post rack.
And then your arm kind of rests
under the post rack.
You can still have this hand
free to wind, but the posts are
laying up in the rack above you.
You can carry them with you.
You can probably fit, I don't know, you
can definitely fit 20 3/8's posts on
that rack pretty easily, probably more.
It's been a minute since I
counted, I don't remember
cal_2_05-08-2024_133621: Oh yeah.
Interesting I just, with the KiwiTek,
it's something I've wanted to try, but
I haven't been really for sure what
I needed to get for sure to try it.
So you've helped me out, and hopefully
you've helped the listeners out that if
they want to try the KiwiTek, then go to
Ken Cove and see what they need there.
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359: Yeah,
and a lot of those components from
either just the handheld winder or the
carry pack are pretty much the same.
It just comes down to how many strands
are you trying to use at one time.
And then do you want the carry
handle or do you want the post rack?
Everything else is pretty much the same.
You have that
four to one geared hub and everything
with the KiwiTek system is pretty
much a friction fit into that hub.
I just use a dead blow hammer and
tap it in place until it's snug.
Yeah, handle, gear, winder, chuck, guide.
That's pretty much the most of it.
cal_2_05-08-2024_133621: Very good, Eli.
Is there anything else you use on
your farm or anything else about
KiwiTek you'd like to add today?
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359: They
do have some of the water troughs as
well here at Ken Cove, the KiwiTek
water troughs.
One of them is the micro.
It's about that big and they say it
can water up to 50 head of cattle,
works on your normal pressurized
water systems, doesn't require
a whole lot of PSI to operate.
And basically it works off
of a flapper diaphragm.
The cow comes in looking for water,
pushes it down with their nose and that
cup fills up and basically they have
to hold it down as they're drinking.
So it's just automatically refilled
cal_2_05-08-2024_133621: Oh,
yeah.
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359:
it comes with a ground stake.
So you just shove it in the
ground, like a step in post.
And when you move paddocks, you can just.
yank that thing out and move it with you.
Doesn't really work for sheep because
sheep's face is too small and they're not
putting enough contact pressure on that to
activate the valve.
And then we do have the bigger
python trough and I believe both
of those operate off of a one inch
poly pipe fitting kind of system.
So we do have those as well
with the KiwiTek system.
KiwiTek down at the home headquarters.
Down in New Zealand,
they can do other things.
They can do customized ATV
or four wheeler setups.
We don't really stock those parts
at Kencove, but if that's something
that somebody is interested
in, we can get that for them.
We can get it over here to the U S
if they want to order something, or
if there are other kits that they see
when they're searching Kiwi tech stuff.
Like they also have the arrow posts and
things like that, that we just don't Stock
a lot of, we don't sell a lot of them, so
we don't dabble in it quite as much, but
we can get our hands on those things if
people are interested in other products.
Yeah.
cal_2_05-08-2024_133621: Very good.
Eli, thank you.
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359: Yep.
And Cal, I would encourage anybody
that if there's any confusion about
Kiwitech stuff or they want to see
more, we do have several videos
up on the Kencove YouTube channel.
Showing how to assemble those
kits, showing how to use
them, how to be effective and
efficient, all that good stuff.
So they can check some out there
and even throw some questions up.
If they still have questions
after watching those videos,
cal_2_05-08-2024_133621: Oh, wonderful.
Wonderful.
Eli, I appreciate you coming on, sharing
about what you're using on your farm, as
well as expanding upon the Kiwi tech stuff
eli-mack_1_05-08-2024_142359: my pleasure.
Thanks for having me, Cal.
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