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Business owners, leaders, and entrepeneurs, turning trials into triumphs, seeking and embracing success. Balancing business, family, faith, health/fitness, and, aligning with values, purpose, and vision. To promote healthy leaders leading healthy organizations.
Todd Halls 0:00
Hello, welcome to Why not me? In life, we faced many trials and obstacles, many challenges in the thick of it, we can be tempted to think, Why me, but every obstacle presents an opportunity and every trial can bring trial. So I want to encourage you to adapt a mindset of why not me? When we're in the middle of it when things are tough look around and think, why not me? It's, it's happening for a purpose. And then when success is at your doorstep, and all you have to do is open it. Let me find yourself hesitating questioning, is this for me? Do I deserve this? And I want to encourage you to adopt a mindset of why not me? Throw the door open wide shout to the world. Why not me? Embrace your success. I'm your coach Todd halls. I'm grateful to have you on this journey. Welcome to why not? Hello, hello. Welcome to why not be turning trials into triumph seeking and embracing success. Coach Todd halls here, your host today. Absolutely. Super excited to be here with you. Thank you so much for tuning in. I value your time and I greatly appreciate you listening. I'm excited to learn from and get to know our guests. today. I just met my new friend Tom Bailey. And from what little we've talked, he's got a phenomenal story that he's going to share with us. What I know about Tom, Tom is a he's a husband, he's a new dad. So he's got a six week old baby boy. So congratulations on that. Tom. He's also he's the founder and head coach at succeed through speaking. And it's that business, that connection is what brought us together today. Can't wait to hear more about that. And about just about your journey, Tom. So with that, that there's probably there's a ton of more information you may want to share. So fill in any gaps you'd like our listeners to know about you.
Tom Bailey 1:55
Absolutely. So first of all, Todd, thank you so much for the warm welcome. And for mentioning the newborn, it's completely changed our lives, but for the better, of course. So, so my journey, I'll talk about that, to begin with the thing that set the scene for today. And then we can obviously take that into the conversation a little bit further. So I spent the first 30 years of my life becoming an expert at avoiding public speaking. And by that, I mean, I had social anxiety, I had a fear of public speaking. And I really did avoid it speaking in front of small groups presenting, and public speaking, on going on camera, it was just the big fear for me. And it really did hold me back from society. And I think we'll talk a little bit more about the journey shortly. But I guess that's the positioning. And that's what led to me launching the business succeed through speaking eventually, as a coaching and training business.
Todd Halls 2:54
So what was there something that happened that that that that caused cause you to withdraw and stir and begin avoiding? Or was that just an internal, something that always been there?
Tom Bailey 3:07
It's been an internal, something that's always been there. So I remember used to hide behind my mom's leg when I was a child, you know, and just a bit of anxiety about meeting new people and conversations, relationships. I got away with it for the first probably 20 years of my life because at school I could hide in amongst the class, I could not put my hand up. When the teacher asked a question, you know, I could I was great at hiding. And then when I became in the real world, I needed to get a job I needed to make some money. And I needed to build relationships. You know, that's ultimately when it hit me and thought, there's something I need to change. There's something I need to do about this because I can't carry on like this.
Todd Halls 3:49
So how, how long has it been since you made that decision and actually began? Speaking, I like coming out of that shell, I'll call it as my word I hear but halls and benches. You have that realization and started to work on it.
Tom Bailey 4:06
Yes. So let's talk about the realization first, because like most of these stories, there's a turning point, a trigger a breaking point, you could call it and there are two things that happened for me one, I didn't have a great job, but I had a job. And I've made redundant from it. So that was for me a trigger to say, I need to go and interview again. I'm really scared of interviews. And the other trigger was around the same time I was actually asked to speak at a funeral. It was a close family members funeral. But again, I said no, because I was too scared of speaking and I might embarrass myself and you know, I might have to stand up in front of real people. So those two things that happened redundancy and saying no to that, and eulogy at funeral, they said to me, I need to change this and that was probably about 10 years ago now.
Todd Halls 4:52
Okay. So 10 years ago, you you started to work on it in Mexico, so Today, if, if this afternoon you are going to get up in front of say, 150 people and give a 20 minute or two minute talk to you doesn't matter. What's the emotional state you're in going up to that stage?
Tom Bailey 5:14
Absolutely confidence, self esteem, self belief. And I've now got the belief that if I make a mistake, it's okay. I'm not going to die, you know, I'm not going to get hurt. So absolutely, I can absolutely stand up now in 10 minutes, 15 minutes from now and do an hour's presentation with confidence. And that's just such a transformation for me in every element of my life.
Todd Halls 5:39
Yeah, cool. Cool. Cool. Do so that being said, confidence and all that other to still still get butterflies, though. And any, any kind of pretty. Presentation jitters, or butterflies or, or call me?
Tom Bailey 5:55
Absolutely, I think, you know, that most presenters, most speakers, actors, sports people, there's that apprehension is that, you know, adrenaline, we could call it building up. But I used to feel that adrenaline in my body and think, Oh, I better go and hide, you know, I better run away. It was the fight or flight response before to adrenaline. But when I feel that adrenaline now you could call it butterflies. But I now channeled it into energy into motivation into positive adrenaline. And that's ultimately, a big lesson is that, let's say somebody is going to go on a roller coaster, there's two people in the queue. And one's excited, one's nervous. They're both got the same chemical surging through their body. You know, they're both got the same adrenaline. It's just how we react to it is what have changed.
Todd Halls 6:49
Yeah, that's a good point. So I was I was not the shy kid, I was the kid in in middle school in early high school that would grab the milk carton and stand up on a chair and just read the whatever was on it to lunch room. Yeah. But that being said, though, as I've, you know, in business had the opportunity to present whether it's in a small group at BNI, or mayor's prayer breakfast in front of 300 people, there's still that there's still that tension, right. And some people, some people shrink from it, and think, oh, it's fear. And what you just described, you know, it's just, it's, it's natural, doesn't matter how accomplished you are, it's still there. And whether it's getting going on stage for speaking or an athletic performance or whatever. It's what you do with that energy and how you channel channeling. But that's all for it. Yeah, for a listener that may that may be in that position, right now. And still, like, gets really freaked out by the butterflies. What? What could you give them to help them start to turn that into energy that they can use?
Tom Bailey 7:53
Yeah, of course. So this, I talk about fear. First, I talk about the reason why we avoid speaking those people who were like I was, and two things. One is fear has been mentioned. The other one is limiting beliefs. So when you think of fear, I always talk about the what if questions, so we thinking, what if I make a mistake? What if I embarrass myself? What if people have an opinion? What if I get asked a question, I can't answer it? They're all the wife questions that come up. And ultimately, because we're not sure of the outcome, that's what scares us about actually going and doing the presentation. And then the second one is limiting beliefs. And these are the stories we tell ourselves, you know, who am I to stand up and speak on this topic? I'm not a guru. And, you know, I don't look like speak or don't sound like a speaker. It's all the stories that we tell ourselves. So to combat those with the fear that I will say to my clients, rather than what if I make a mistake? Think about what if I don't speak and present? What money am I leaving on the table? And what am I avoiding? What am I not getting out of speaking, and you really need to outweigh the benefits of speaking against the possible repercussions of maybe saying the wrong thing. And, and then finally, just on the limiting beliefs, we need to change the stories that we tell ourselves, there's no point me telling myself I'm not good enough. I don't look like a speaker. I'm not a guru, you know, they're the wrong things to be tell ourselves, we need to be saying, I've got a voice. I've got a message to share. I can add some value to this audience. You know, there that we need to be saying to ourselves.
Todd Halls 9:27
Yeah, and you. piece of art, adding value to the audience. Yes. Somebody out there that needs it probably needs that need your message. Yeah, hopefully, there's somebody listening today that absolutely needs the value that you're bringing to this conversation, Tom.
Tom Bailey 9:45
Yeah, that's another that's another Last point I'll just add on actually. So I used to think about speaking I used to think I need 100% of the people in the audience to like me, and that's why I built up this pressure when it came to speaking in front sent in was the, I'm not, I need to be loved by everyone, otherwise, I'm not going to be good enough. But the mentality are going now is I only need to reach 10% of that audience, only 10% of their audience to listen to me and think I get him or I believe in or I'm getting some value. And that's good enough for me because, you know, Thompson, the audience will be uninterested 10% The audience will love you. And the other 80% will be somewhere in the middle. And you know, it doesn't really matter either way.
Todd Halls 10:32
Yeah, that's a good thing to keep in mind that we always we always want, it seems like we want everybody to like us. And it's just not there's some reality. I don't know that I've ever heard of broken down to the 10, the 10. And that, and then in the middle, though, that's, that's good stuff. So limiting beliefs. Have you? Do you work with a coach? Or have you worked with a coach how to overcome your limiting beliefs? Do you still have any? And and then how do you deal with your limiting beliefs if they're there?
Tom Bailey 11:04
Yes. So I did work with a coach. And I mean, on my 10 year journey, I made lots of mistakes when it came to limiting beliefs and fears. And one of my limiting beliefs was, so here in the UK, there's lots of different accents. You've got the Liverpool accent, the Birmingham accent, the London accent. So I had a Birmingham accent. And I always thought to myself, I can't become a public speaker. Because I sound like this, you know, my accent is x, therefore I can't become a public speaker. And that was another limiting belief. It wasn't true. It wasn't realistic. But I started working with a voice coach to try and change my accent. By the way, bad idea, wrong piece of advice, because it's not authentic if you're trying to be somebody else, and you will never live up to that expectation. So rather than working with a coach on external factors, like how do I sound, I had to work with a different coach on internal factors like, what's my self image? What are my values? What's authentic about me? What value can I bring? It's all that internal mindset stuff that I had to change, which is what changed the game for me.
Todd Halls 12:15
Thanks for sharing that. Do you? So is it an ongoing processors? Is it like a hey, I won that battle? It's all behind me.
Tom Bailey 12:23
Yeah, on an ongoing process, because, um, you know, my first talk was in front of, let's say, three people, you know, the mental attitude got me that far. But then when I needed to speak in front of 10, people, I needed to jump to that next level of mental attitude. I did that, that speak in front of 100, people needed to jump to that next level. So I'm always jumping through the next level. And I always have imposter syndrome before I've done that next level. But then the reality is, after you've done it, you'll look back and think, why did I ever have that imposter syndrome? Because that wasn't so bad, actually. So I guess the lesson there is, you've just got to just go for it. And you know, punch above your weight, I think is one of the signs. And then your comfort zone will expand every time you do that.
Todd Halls 13:16
Yeah, so a couple of couple things you set off in my head. One is, you didn't go from three people to 100. It was three to 10 defeat, to whatever. So. So it's not this, it's not this leap to greatness. And I shouldn't say that. Be careful, because maybe, maybe from three to 10 was a leap to greatness, but it's not the it's not the whole journey once so there's a little bit of expense and takes place. And every time that you expand that much. You're like, Oh, I've reached my potential now, but in doing so you've created more potential.
Tom Bailey 13:52
Is that? Yes, exactly. And I'll just add to that, as well. So I always say that speaking and confidence is like learning any other skill in life. So let's say for example, that you wanted to learn if you wanted to learn to swim, your first swimming lesson won't be in the Pacific Ocean. He just wouldn't you know, it'd be in the shallow end of the swimming pool with your inflatable armbands on. And that's the same with speaking you want to start small, you want to just gradually build up to that deep ocean swim that you want to do in a year's time from now.
Todd Halls 14:28
Good advice. Good words. So what now that you've had this 10 years practicing speaking, what's the biggest audience you've presented to you?
Tom Bailey 14:40
Yeah, so I'm in purse this TOS this two things. I was COVID, obviously, but the global audience haven't yet and you've got the I'm sorry, the virtual audience and then you've got the physical audience. So physical audience, it's not huge. It's not the 10s of 1000s. But it was 450 people at the XL conference center in London. And that was a nice big ordeal. For me, and I really felt I could achieve something when I've done that. And but then now with COVID, I'm speaking on virtual summits. I'm speaking on podcasts. And one podcast I spoke on had a following the 20,000 people in the audience. So effectively, I spoke in front of 20,000 people on the podcast, even though it hasn't got that same level of, I guess, adrenaline the live audience might give you.
Todd Halls 15:26
Yeah, yeah. That's awesome. You mentioned earlier, the journey. And and that there's there's progress there. But setbacks, ups and downs. Would you mind? Just kind of opening that up? And walk us through all of that? Yeah.
Tom Bailey 15:49
Yeah, of course, of course. And what we can do is we can talk about my journey, which was the wrong journey, and the one that I went through, but then also the journey that I now teach others, which is the right journey, and it's reduced it from 10 years, down to 10 weeks. And that's through my own learnings, I guess. So let's start with my journey. And the first thing that I did when I realized that I needed to overcome my fear of speaking was that I bought every single book on public speaking, presenting, how to do a TED talk, eye contact, body language, facial expressions, confidence, everything, like we're talking hundreds of books I've bought over the years. But the problem with books was I used them again as another avoidance technique, because I thought, you know, once I've read all of these books, then I'll start speaking, you know, that was the wrong way to go. Because ultimately, I was reading about how the Great's did it, and I was comparing myself to them. And I still wasn't up to it, I still didn't feel like I was able to do so. Yeah, books are great. But if you're trying to learn a skill, you actually need to go out there and practice the skill sets that one big lesson I learned. And the next thing I thought I'll try and do is go to conferences. So I'll go to seminars, workshops, exhibitions, conferences, and I'll watch other speakers. And then I'll write down notes and learn how to be like them. Didn't work because guess what, I was comparing myself to amazing speakers again. And I felt like I was too far away from them. So I thought I can't ever do this because I'm not as good as them. And next mistake was the vocal coach, try and change my accent try and become someone I'm not all sound like somebody else. Bad idea didn't work. And then the last one, I think I'll talk about there's been lots of this, but that's what I'm talking about is Toastmasters. Now, Toastmasters is great, because it gets you to stand up and speak in front of a real audience of 2030 people safe environment. The problem with me with Toastmasters was the time it took. I did like a four minute talk every two weeks. So it took about eight minutes of speaking per month. It probably took me about three years to actually get any good at speaking through Toastmasters. And I wish there was a way to do it a lot quicker at the time.
Todd Halls 18:12
Yeah, we thought about that the process becomes a long a long process. Yeah, yeah. So I'm thinking if you want to get in shape, and you went for a walk once a week, we could argue about whether or not that would really be effective or not. But that'd be a whole lot different than if you if you went for a walk for 20 minutes a day, and just reusing those muscles with more regularity.
Tom Bailey 18:39
It's a great analogy. Yeah, that's what it felt like, Let's go for a walk twice a month, rather than, you know, walking every day, day in day out, building those skills a lot quicker. And that's the big difference.
Todd Halls 18:50
Yeah, yeah. So I just want to touch on one thing, you described the what I have heard of as the learning loop. Like, if I just read another book, then I get started. If I look, if I just go to another seminar, if I just take another course, instead of just doing the thing, and that's not to say that books and seminars or courses are great, in addition to but some point, to go back to the other analogy, you got to take the walk,
Tom Bailey 19:18
you got to take the walk, and you know, implementation, not just information that that's probably the takeaway there. Learn, implement, learn, implement, learn implement, rather than just constantly learning. Yeah.
Todd Halls 19:33
So you mentioned books will come back so I want to hear about the the 10 week journey that you would like if I were to say, Tom, I need help speaking the temperature, but um, you mentioned books do you still read or Yeah,
Tom Bailey 19:46
I do. I do still read Yeah, it's it's it's a lot wider now. It's not just public speaking and presenting. But yeah, I do still read a lot.
Todd Halls 19:53
So what are you reading right now and what's your favorite the past year
Tom Bailey 19:59
so Favorite in the past year, I would say is the chimps paradox by Dr. Steve Peters. And the reason why I think this is great specifically on this topic is because it helps us understand what's going on in our brain. Have you heard of the chimps paradox?
Todd Halls 20:21
I am not familiar with it. I just heard but I have heard of it. Like, of course, my brain sick. Okay. And I've got a question. Where did you just hear that? Like, within the last week, somebody mentioned that.
Tom Bailey 20:32
Yeah, but I mean, oh, I'll talk about the theory. So, you know, there's different parts of our brain this, this two main ones I'll talk about is the human and the chimp. And so the human brain wants to speak, knows that speaking is important, knows that, for me to grow my business, I need to grow my profile through public speaking. But the problem is, it's not just that part of our brain, the logical thinker, it's the emotive chimp as well. Now the chimp saying, No, don't go and speak, it's too scary, you might embarrass yourself. And, you know, it's saying, Stay here, stay in the comfort zone, stay small, because you can't get hurt when you're nice and small. You know, it wants you to be safe. And that's a good thing. You know, it's trying to protect you. But ultimately, the chimp is immature, it's emotive, it doesn't have that logical thinking that we do. But it's very powerful. And it will prevent you from hit written in reaching your goals, because it just wants you to stay comfortable. And it was useful when we were cavemen because it said, you know, don't go near that saber toothed Tiger is going to eat you. But But now, it's kind of telling us, you know, don't go in front of the audience, you're gonna die. That's what it's kind of telling you. And, but that prehistoric thinking isn't now as useful as it was back then.
Todd Halls 21:56
Thank goodness. Yeah. Right. So, so I will check out the chimps paradox. Sounds like a good read, or sleep tonight. Nicely. The next question. So let's say that I've read chips paradoxien. I wish I haven't. But say, I haven't really seen what I'm gonna do this thing. I'm gonna reach out to Tom, what does that journey look like that you get can? In the 10 weeks?
Tom Bailey 22:21
Yeah, of course. So I'll talk about the chip a little bit in this journey, because it's relevant. So we effectively need to train that Chimp, we need to teach it that we're okay. We don't need its help. We don't need to be protected. Confidence comes from competence in any field. What I mean by that is you need to prove to yourself that you can do it, realize it's okay. And then do it again, but at a higher level. So what that looks like when it comes to speaking, take someone who's the best kept secret in their industry. They're afraid of camera, they're not going on podcasts. They're not speaking, they're not on YouTube. They're avoiding camera. Yeah. These people to people who are on podcasts, they're speaking on stages, they're on YouTube, they're creating social videos. That's the journey. Now, the steps are as follows. So five P's, there's five Ps. The first P is profile. And this is before speaking, by the way, the first two Ps are actually before speaking, because there's no point speaking unless you know what you're speaking about. That's the reality. So the first P is profile. And I want you to get really clear on who you are, what you do. What are your messages, your bio, you know, it's all that figure out who you are. And that's what we work on to the first stage. And again, I work with business owners, entrepreneurs, so it's relevant. The second P is product. So once you know who you are and what your magic is, you then want to get really clear on how you talk about your products and services. How do you talk about what you do for your customers, because when you speak as a business owner, you're going to be speaking about what you do. And you're gonna be speaking about your products, your services, your offerings. So get clear on your profile, click on your product. And then you can start speaking, the third P is it's partnering through podcasts. Now, the reason why we do this is because I think that the first step to learning to become a better speaker is to do podcasts. The reason is, is because you in the comfort of your own home. It can be audio only like this one. You haven't got an audience staring at you. And effectively just having a conversation which normally people can do one to one, even if it's got a fear of public speaking. See, you do a lot of podcasting. And by the way that also helps you raise your profile because every time you speak on a podcast, you get an exposure to somebody else's audience. Okay. And then after you've been partnering through podcasts you then want to do presenting. Now, again, we don't jump straight into public speaking on stages, we're going to do some presenting on virtual tools and virtual stages first. So I help people learn how to run webinars, and how to speak on virtual summits, which is effectively a podcast conversation. But there's a live audience, they just don't you just can't see them. Sure, sure. And then once you've done the virtual webinars and virtual summits, then you can start looking for stage real stages to speak on in person. And then we've got four piece so far profile product, and promotion, presenting. And the last P is profit. Because again, I work with entrepreneurs, experts, coaches, business owners, there's no point speaking as a business owner unless you can actually profit from it in one way or another. And that's normally through getting access to an audience, speaking in a way that transforms and changes mindset and shapes people's thinking, and then offer them something at the end of that, whether it's a call to action or your product or service.
Todd Halls 26:19
Very cool. What, how did? How did you learn the steps?
Tom Bailey 26:28
Yeah. So for me, I was my first client, as I've mentioned, I realized I went the wrong way. And then, by the way, I accidentally became a coach, because people started asking me, you know, you were shy? How have you learned to speak? Have you learned to present? I said, no worries, I'll give you some advice. And when I started coaching, it took me a year to transform somebody into a speaker or presenter, but, you know, people needed results quicker, I had to get quicker at coaching, I had to build a process. And ultimately, this process came about from me coaching people, and realizing what business owners and entrepreneurs need to go from not speaking to making money from speaking in their business.
Todd Halls 27:18
In your estimation, who of all of all the business owners and entrepreneurs who is this most applicable for who needs this?
Tom Bailey 27:28
I think, coaches, consultants, service providers, because they are the face of the business, they're also the product, a coach or a consultant is the product, you know, they are the service in the business. So people buy from people when it comes to coaching, consulting. And if you're not visible, you're not seeing you're not sharing your story. You're not putting yourself out there on camera podcasts stages, you're preventing your chance of of people connecting and resonating with you on a personal emotional relationship level. So for me, coaches, consultants, service providers, anyone who is the face of the business and needs to be speaking more to help them raise their profile.
Todd Halls 28:19
Got it? Got it, got it. Why? So I understand your, your journey and then your shine, you overcame that and if turned, basically developed yourself into a speaker and now are helping other people. What makes him portant to you? Why, what? Why this?
Tom Bailey 28:39
Yeah, exactly what why this, you know, this, this is my life purpose. Now, this is my message to share with the world. And, you know, sometimes we can't go out there looking for a message to share with the world or trying to come up with what we think we should be sharing this message with the world, sometimes our journey becomes the message. And, you know, if I didn't talk about this, I didn't talk about my journey, I didn't share my process, then there's going to be 1000s of people out there who remain in the shadows remain low confidence, remain destroyed struggle in their business, and my wider purpose outside of helping business owners is actually helping children, students, people in school who were where I was, because if I can help them earlier, it will have a much bigger transformation on their life, I believe.
Todd Halls 29:33
Absolutely. Yeah. And, and, and in doing so, allow them to, to add value to bring what they have their gifts to the world in a more flexible way. Yeah. Essentially, you create almost an infinite ripple. Yes. But by doing that,
Tom Bailey 29:55
and speaking is the quickest way to get your message to your market because, you know, if you try and pick up the Phone to everyone wants to one and you're trying to share your message one person at a time, it will take you hundreds of years to speak to, you know, a few 1000 people, whereas public speaking on a stage in an arena 80,000 people, for example, you know, you can share that message so much quicker through the power of public speaking.
Todd Halls 30:19
Yeah, so you mentioned 80,000 people, what's your dream stage?
Tom Bailey 30:24
Yeah. So I see myself, you know, international, maybe flying out to Dubai. You know, first class, of course, being asked to speak at a big Expo. Yeah. 10s of 1000s. Would be nice. 10s of 1000s. Yeah.
Todd Halls 30:44
That'd be awesome. Yeah, so we're. So that's the biggest stage? Where do you want to see? Succeed? Just speaking, where are you taking the business.
Tom Bailey 30:57
So I've been doing one to one coaching for quite a long time now, probably about three or four years. And, again, limiting my impact I can have because I've only got so much capacity to have clients. And I've recently launched my first group coaching program whereby I take cohorts of business owners now through this 10 week journey. And that's great, because it's taking me to that next level. In terms of vision, I do see me expanding, you can train other people to share my message with the world. But the coaches or the trainers, because ultimately is just me sharing my message at the minute. If I can get others to share that too. I can definitely expand the business and my message.
Todd Halls 31:40
Yeah. Cool. Cool. Cool. Can I Can I ask a couple Cagle personal?
Tom Bailey 31:47
Yeah, of course. Let's do that.
Todd Halls 31:49
You got a new baby is six weeks. How's your sleep? How's it how's the household going?
Tom Bailey 31:56
Who needs sleep anymore? Anyway? He's doing okay, we get that 4am Wake up normally, for a feed and a nappy change, you know, but yeah, we've pretty much got three or four hours through and then you know, he wakes us up in the middle of the night. But it's great. I wouldn't have it any other way.
Todd Halls 32:17
Right, right. And, yeah, three or four hours at a crack. That's a that's actually a pretty good run asleep for from what some people experience?
Tom Bailey 32:25
Yeah, totally.
Todd Halls 32:26
Cool, cool. As we, as we come towards the end of our time together, I'm
wondering if you if you had, like a question, or maybe a bit of wisdom, one thing that you would share and ask our audience, our listeners to be thinking about, as they go away from this podcast, what would that be?
Tom Bailey 32:47
Yep. So the question, something to think about is, what happens if you don't do this? That's the question. If you don't speak, you don't present you don't share your message wider. What's going to happen to you in the business? And the piece of advice is to do what Michael Jordan said. And that is to, or he says, If you? What did he say again? Now, he says, If you don't take a shot, you won't score the points. I can't think what it is. Now that's saying, Actually, you That's it, I've got it. Sorry, ignore that last bit. Michael Jordan famously said, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. So I want you to go out there, start taking some shots, even if you're going to miss a few of them. Every shot you miss, you're going to learn something new.
Todd Halls 33:32
Fantastic words, to leave our listeners with one more thing, because undoubtedly, probably all of us listening to you visit with you today. Could use your services. How do we go about getting in touch with you? How do we get more time Bailey?
Tom Bailey 33:51
Yes. So there's, there's just two things I quickly mentioned then. So if you just go on to Google and type in succeed through speaking or succeed through speaking.com, you'll find me. And the second thing is I've got something just to quickly offer for your audience today. So for me, there's 15 things that you can be doing when it comes to succeeding through speaking there's 15 steps you need to take. If you go to succeed through speaking.com forward slash checklist. You'll get that checklist and that's effectively my cheat sheet to start succeeding through speaking in your business,
Todd Halls 34:25
succeed through speaking.com forward slash checklist.
Tom Bailey 34:30
That's the one checklist.
Todd Halls 34:33
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