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Conversations from the Hype Network; Business innovation, technology, and current events from a faith-filled perspective.
Arun: Well, what's up Hype Network?
This is episode 30 of the Hype Pod.
Hype Pod.
Episode 30.
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Ps Vance: It never ceases to amaze me.
This morning, actually, at Vive
Group, this morning with some men,
somebody just commented again.
They listened to the last episode.
Kim listened to the last episode.
Wow, you guys were really Funny.
No way.
You guys were really funny.
I was like, well, thank you so much.
That, that's a lot.
We got Mrs.
Ralph, this is my love, love language
that you listen to the podcast.
That's amazing.
But I do wanna
Ps Adam: know, like, does the, Hey
the, the classic like subscribe?
Does it actually work?
I don't.
If it does, I wanna know, are
you guys out there really just
stopping listening to this, going
and hitting the subscribe button?
People still do it.
I hear it on video, YouTube
video, but I don't works.
I mean, everyone does it.
It's almost like we have to do that.
That's true.
Anyway, let's go beyond that.
Let's get talking.
What are we talking about today?
I actually
Arun: want to know, does Pazza Curia,
has she gone past half of the episode?
I think
Ps Adam: she listened to her session back.
She's like, this one's really good.
Arun: All right.
Well, I wanted to just catch up
because it's been a couple of weeks.
Um, since we had our last pod,
um, and you guys have been doing
some pretty cool stuff, at least
following you guys on Instagram.
Oh yeah.
Um, I just want to start with
you, Pastor Vance, you were at
Soma Church recently, right?
I just wanted to hear about
what you've been getting up to.
Oh
Ps Vance: man, uh, yeah, we've
been at a couple churches actually
recently, overflow customers.
Sometimes they'll have me come out and
also speak on the topic of generosity.
Really, it's just sharing.
what God is doing at Vive Church,
um, sharing what we've been seeing
in the Silicon Valley at large
and also in the kingdom of God.
So it's been really, really cool.
I mean, Hickory, North Carolina, I
mean, is really, uh, you know, you're
on your way through it typically to
get to where you really want to go.
Um, but there's this beautiful
church called Soma Church, a modern
expression of church there, um,
which was really, really great.
And what's really cool is that
they just recently purchased the
largest building in their city.
Wow.
Wow.
Which is really awesome.
It's 120,000 square feet.
Ps Adam: I was gonna say,
is it 15,000 square feet?
.
Ps Vance: A hundred and 120,000
square feet for $500,000?
No.
Oh my god.
Um, but actually it used to be
occupied by a Fortune 100 company.
Oh, cool.
Uh, yeah, long story short, the company
had to move, um, not doing the best.
And now it used to be fortune 100
and now it's a place of faith and
worship, which is really, really cool.
And so they're doing that.
And then we were recently at the
great awaken church, uh, pastor
Juergen and Leanne, they are building
a phenomenal church in San Diego,
all that to say, God is moving.
Yeah.
All of it.
Yeah, definitely.
Arun: And then Pastor Adam, I know we've
chatted about, um, by Frankfort when
you went previously, but this time you
had the worship night, we did a worship
Ps Adam: night in Frankfort.
That was outstanding.
Yeah, it was awesome.
Because the last time we did an
interest night and it was just
like, Hey, let's give you some
information about the church.
This one felt like, let's just do church.
Let's, uh, let's, let's really seek God.
Uh, it was packed.
Out, we had 410 people in a room
that legally I think seats 390.
So we had a balcony that felt good.
A balcony always feels good
when a balcony is full and, um.
Um, we had some of the five worship
members from here go over, uh,
Deb, who recently got engaged to
one of our team members there.
Okay.
So they're getting married.
Uh, she's saying a whole
bridge in German that went off.
That went off.
I flexed my two words in German.
That went off.
What are the two words?
I can't remember, but I asked somebody
before I went up, what should I say?
Well, I'll say this.
I mean, I watched
Ps Vance: it online.
And I've got to be with you in person,
uh, in Italy, preaching all over Italy.
This was probably, and I just saw online,
but this was probably the most you've
been in flow preaching Oh my gosh.
With a translation.
Ps Adam: So, so you know Vance.
Yeah.
I hate translation preaching.
Of course
Ps Vance: you do
,
Ps Adam: like I, I've expressed Vance
so many times, like I hate translate.
I'm like, ask, can we just get people
in the headphones and I'll just
speak and someone do the translating.
But every time we're in Italy or
in Frankfurt, they love the live.
Oh, so is it like line,
translate, line, translate?
It's kind of like that, but
you can get into a rhythm.
Historically, I haven't, but
this trip, both in Frankfurt and
Modena with Pastor Henoch and
Pastor Fabio, man, we were locked.
And it was just, it was fun.
We just hitting it together
and, um, picking it up.
And I just even threw some stuff
in there that we hadn't planned.
Just, just go for it.
What was
Ps Vance: the difference maker?
Ps Adam: Yeah.
I think it's spirit.
I think it was definitely the
spirit of what they were carrying.
Um, we didn't do any notes in Frankfurt.
I just kind of went with what I
felt the Holy Spirit was speaking.
So it wasn't really a planned message.
I was just speaking, you know, out of the
heart of what worship is and that kind of
stuff, and he was just flowing with me.
And then.
In, in, uh, Modena, we launched
Modena too, by the way, uh, on, on
Sunday, which was absolutely epic.
Do not sleep on Modena.
It is a, for a small town
of 180, 000 people, it has
produced some incredible talent.
You got Ferrari.
You got Pagani, you have a Lamborghini
just down the road in, in Bologna.
You have, I don't know if you remember
the opera singer Pavarotti comes from,
from Modena and, uh, this, this different
food you got, uh, you got noco frito.
Now, if you've never had noco
frito, it'll change your life.
It's like these puff pastries with
some crudo and fromage, you know,
it's like, it's just amazing.
Uh, but we ate well and
the people are awesome.
I love the people of Modena.
So the fact that we've got a church there,
you And, uh, Fabio was flown with me.
So it just was, it was
a great ministry week.
That's amazing.
You know,
Ps Vance: on the topic of translation,
I, I think this is so interesting.
I sent you a video actually, I think
today, earlier today, where that
might be the next wave of innovation.
Oh yeah.
That AI, uh, engine, AI audio engines.
Um, I don't know which
LLM it was based on.
Um, you can imagine that.
Uh, this is probably a whole area that
was going to be a lot of development
in, but there was this recent, um,
presentation on Ted, uh, where this, uh,
AI audio based system, you basically have
these headphones in your ears and you
know how, like at a restaurant, uh, Um,
it's really difficult to maybe connect
with your friends across the table.
Cause you can't really hear
them, all the ambient noise.
Well, it does a few things.
It can lock in to specific
voices across the table.
You can actually talk to it
and say, Hey, can you turn down
the baby crying in the back?
It turns that down.
Yeah, from the headphone.
So it turns that down.
And then, you know, his
friends are talking in Spanish.
He's like, Hey, can you translate
the Spanish into English?
And in his voice and cadence, it
translates to English almost in real time.
It looks like a dubbed movie,
but it's, In the atmosphere.
It's in kind of the cadence and
the likeness of that person.
Right.
Which is so interesting
because I think this opens up
a whole new wave of ministry.
Oh my gosh.
Right.
It allows you, I mean, spirit talks
to spirit and having somebody like
a Hanock obviously, um, probably
lent to the best experience, but
if it could be even more real time.
Yeah.
Cause I think what I've
Ps Adam: hated about translation
is you lose so much of the humor.
The delivery, the, the, uh, the
climactic moments of a message.
We're not just doing a, like
a, you know, a conversation.
We're not just doing a presentation.
This ain't sweet speed.
Uh, we're actually preaching the gospel.
And so we've got, sorry, man, uh, I've
never watched it back, but, uh, the, the
fact is when you, when you're waiting,
you have to literally have the content.
So, cause you, you're
doubling up the communication.
So you have to do half the content.
You end up having to cut out the fat
and sometimes the fat is the fun.
Sometimes it's the, the way you
deliver something that actually
makes it revelational as well.
So that'd be fun.
I'm very interested.
So this is
Ps Vance: Hype Pod, which
means it's faith pod.
Just random theological
question is, is this.
Tower of Babel, modern day.
Oh, I see where you're going.
Is this Tower of Babel?
One language?
Yeah.
Are we, or is it just different?
Ps Adam: I think if, if AI
convinces us to build a tower to
reach God, then I think we're in.
Sure, sure, sure.
It's like, we're definitely,
well, maybe a fictitious tower.
Are we going to take over God?
Has that become the language?
Are we, if, if it starts soon
about smarter than God, then
I'll, I'll start getting worried.
Okay.
Ps Vance: Cause this is the thing, right?
Okay.
Um, I don't know if you guys listened
to the most recent all in podcast
with, uh, Sam Altman, the founder, uh,
and CEO of open AI, by the way, he's
getting just torn apart on X right now
because they're like, he said nothing.
Like he just has all these
philosophical platitudes that were
not insightful at all in a podcast.
In a podcast.
And he's just like a really slow talker.
You know, like, you know, when you
have slow talkers, you're like, you're,
you're on two X and this is still slow.
Like what's happening right now.
And so, um, long pauses.
Yeah.
Oh, that's what he does.
Ps Adam: Okay.
I don't.
Like when they, yeah, that's
really annoying to me.
It's
Ps Vance: not, it's not automatic
intelligence when you do that.
It's just like, Oh, this guy's pondering.
That's a ponder pause.
He's so smart.
He doesn't know how to articulate.
Which is awkward on a
Ps Adam: podcast.
Ps Vance: Imagine in real life.
Ps Adam: Like, do I talk now?
Uh, have you finished talking?
Ps Vance: That's hard.
Um, but, uh, yeah, so he, uh,
Was actually saying something
really interesting though.
Uh, and it was kind of like a one-off
comment, but a lot of people have
picked up on it in the religious world.
'cause he was like, yeah, it's just,
you know, with AI and the emergence of
it, it's almost as if, um, intelligence
is just another function of matter.
Arun: Hmm.
Ps Vance: Right.
And it was kind of like this.
He didn't go in depth into it.
Yeah.
But I think a lot of people, um, were
kind of taking that soundbite and I
don't exactly know what he meant by it.
Yeah.
But I think they were taking
that soundbite and like,
oh, this is interesting.
You can see people that are working
in AI in real time or trying
to form their theology about
Arun: Right.
Ps Vance: ai.
Mm-Hmm.
, they're trying to form their
theology about even where
intelligence come from comes from.
Right, right, right.
Which is really interesting.
The people who are the.
In the engine of AI.
Yeah.
Who are creating these models, right?
Cause they're,
Ps Adam: I would assume they would be
the people on the forefront of realizing,
Hey, this is just something we've made,
like we've fed it information and it's
just regurgitating what we've fed it
rather than the people who don't know
how it's made, you know, like, wow,
is this a God because it knows so
much, but the people who make it are
actually the ones going, Oh, actually
we just fed it a whole bunch of content.
Ps Vance: See, that's an interesting
idea because I think there's
another, uh, perspective where.
And I don't know what Sam Altman
meant, but it's the way he said it.
If you guys watch the podcast, the way
you said it was almost, cause they're
all in the pursuit of creating AGI.
Right.
Right.
And the way he said it was almost
as if like, Oh, we're gonna.
Was that we're going
to create intelligence?
And I, that's the speculation, right?
The speculation is that he has
dangerous thoughts about AGI.
Ps Adam: Cause that's what I thought.
One of the theories was he got fired by
the board because they were too worried.
They got close to AGI.
Yeah.
Arun: And this, uh, I think recently
one of their top researchers,
Ilya, What's up is officially just
got let go and he just got to go.
Yeah.
We're like, wasn't he
the CTO or something?
Basically, he's probably one of the
best minds in like, he knows too much.
He knows something that's,
and he's not happy with.
Well, that's a rumor about
the direction it's going.
It relates probably to AGI and Sam
Altman and all of his interviews has
been talking like this, very like high
level, like deep stuff about like.
Like elusive, very elusive.
I feel like, yeah, like he knows there's
something that he wants to say, but
he can't say, and it's just there.
Like it's like superpower.
So that's interesting.
So we'll see,
Ps Vance: watch this space.
Yeah.
So I don't
Arun: know.
It's, it's very interesting.
And actually on that, I was going to
talk about, uh, Google versus OpenAI.
Um, so opening, I maybe two, three
days ago, a day before Google
IO, basically they had a huge
presentation about chat, GBT are 4.
0.
Um, and so this is like
their multimodal model.
So vision, audio, all of that.
They had a demo on translation as well.
So it was like lifetime translation,
but it was with a phone.
So this, it seems much cooler to have it
on your headphones and not have to have.
That distraction of your
phone kind of being there.
I think it depends on the setting, right?
Yeah, sure.
So if we're trying
Ps Adam: to have a conversation, this
is so easy to have your phones on and
we're interacting, but, um, I don't, I
think the phone is such a cool device.
I actually find it's going to be very
difficult to get beyond the phone.
Yes.
Yes.
Like, you know, we're talking
about the rabbit pin and wearables
and they're looking at glasses
and all these different things.
Like I think.
The more I think about it, I don't
know what's better than just a device.
The phone is pretty good.
I can put away, I can bring it out.
It's a hand, it's the culture and society.
We're so used to this, um,
to, I think vision pro is
having a hard time right now.
Yeah.
When they,
Ps Vance: uh, start production, right.
Ps Adam: And, and is it price point or
is it the fact that it's a wearable that
you're not going to wear in everyday use?
Yeah, there's no way, there's
no way, you know what I mean?
It's just massive.
It would have
Ps Vance: to be glasses.
It would have, it has to be.
And eventually contact.
But we tried that.
Arun: Yeah, we, but I think Google
Glass was ahead of its time.
But that kind of form factor
where it's this small.
And it's just augmented reality.
I think it's what we're looking for.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
You know, I'm not a glass wearer.
Arun: So yeah.
Then why would you work?
Why would I wear gloves?
I'd have to be context of it.
Wow.
Okay.
But that would be, I mean, that would
Ps Vance: have to be context
connected to like Neuralink, right?
Ps Adam: So maybe it's just Neuralink and
maybe it's just Neuralink thought maybe,
maybe you don't even need to see anything.
You just think it.
Well, I think
Ps Vance: there, there's a lot of
the learning comes from the vision.
Right.
Um, so I do think that's the input.
Yeah.
You have to have a vision input and
maybe neural link is connected to like.
I don't know how it might be brain works.
I'll tell you how it works.
It's got to get, it's got to
connect to the optical nerve.
You know what I mean?
And then you've got to go through the
Ps Adam: iris.
All right.
And if your pupil dilates at all,
that's a, that's a selection.
Okay.
You
Ps Vance: can only get this
out of the high pie guys.
Arun: Um, but the, the step that was,
was interesting about it is that.
Um, we've talked about who's
going to win the AI war.
Like really it's like an
arms race at this point.
We've got OpenAI, Microsoft, now there's
a rumor Apple is going to partner with
OpenAI to get their AI on their phones.
Cause I think Apple is
probably the furthest behind.
with their AI technology.
Facebook has theirs with Llama,
so they have an open source
LLM that they're working on.
Um, and so now it's Google, right?
It's Google which should have
been the leader in all of this.
Based on its
Ps Vance: data, yeah.
Based on
Arun: its data, right?
And so they had their I.
O.
cut out two days ago.
They announced basically the same
suite of tools that, um, OpenAI did.
But they had it on your phone.
So now you have it all connected
to all data that you have your
Gmail, your Google suite of tools.
And I think that's what
makes it really different.
Ps Vance: It's, it was compelling.
The recent demo that I
saw, it was pretty cool.
Here's, here's my take on the AI wars.
Um, and I, I could be wrong
based on our last episode.
I could be wrong, but I will say this.
I saw a recent interview, Sundar, right?
CEO of Google.
Um, I don't know man.
I don't know if he has the dog in him.
Ah, you know, like when I, when I listen
to Zuckerberg, well, he's controlled by
Ps Adam: the ccia.
A
Ps Vance: probably.
But here's the thing, like
when I, when I listen to
Zuckerberg, why are you laughing?
?
Arun: I didn't take a turn.
So, alright, so lemme,
sorry to interrupt you,
Ps Adam: Vance.
Sorry to interrupt you, but
you turn has to be taken.
Okay.
If you're going to place a bet on
who's going to be the winning horse,
you have to know the background,
you have to know the motivation.
Okay.
Now open AI is definitely an
engine, a brain trust of people
who are, I think, purists.
They're trying to really
explore what AI engineering is.
Uh, Google, as you said, have
been on this for a long time.
They, they should be the leader.
They have been pioneering
this for a long time.
Probably since maybe early
two thousands, late nineties.
Okay.
So they've actually had this all the
way from the infrastructure, from the,
the emergence of the worldwide web.
If we talk about Meta, this is
probably Zuckerberg wanting to catch
up, not wanting to miss the game.
So let's throw some resources at this.
Let's bail on some other things we
had, you know, so on and so forth.
Microsoft.
I think they're kind of, you know,
very much in the formation as well
because they've had, um, major
investments, but their play is let's
just keep investing into the leader.
Um, now, now why I say the connected
CIA, because you've got to go
all the way back to Jared Cohen.
You've got to go back to, um, you know,
the CIA who's, who invented the internet.
The military, the military had the
internet since mid eighties probably.
And we got it in 1990.
Uh, but the reason the military released
the worldwide web is so that they
could actually hold the infrastructure,
partner with platforms like Google
to actually create a system that they
could actually infiltrate, hold, have
backend channels to see a manipulation.
And so how would AI not still
be an extension of that?
Yeah, I don't know.
I know,
Ps Vance: but if I, if
they're going to have.
Major, major resources.
Sure.
So you're, but you're saying that OpenAI
is not, uh, controlled by the CIA.
Ps Adam: I don't think yet.
Maybe not yet.
I think, I think that's the plan, right.
Of the, of I think intelligence
agencies is to somehow infiltrate,
hold and take over this, maybe what
you're receiving from someone like a
Sam Altman in his elusive tone, maybe
he's more nervous about what he gives
away that like, I can only imagine it's
not all peachy cream, you know, like,
let's just talk about the advancements.
It's kind of like.
Man, there's so much
pressure from this area.
They want us to do this.
We're going to give up
our, our, our Intel.
They're taking people out.
I got fired and you know, like that's
real people getting, losing their jobs.
I've just got to hold this really loosely.
I can imagine there's so much in the
world that we can be naive about that.
And I don't say this to scare us,
but to kind of just take a sober
look at, uh, what we invest in,
what is actually under the control.
And I think sometimes you've got to dig a
little layer deep to kind of understand.
Who's pushing the agenda here?
And what is the end agenda of AI?
Is the agenda of AI to just help
our lives, to enhance our lives?
Or is it, you know, someone who's got
a real idea as you suggested to have,
uh, another level of intelligence?
Ps Vance: Yeah.
And whatever that level of control or
influence and you know, how embedded
those relationships are, um, my take,
and this could be a very superficial
take is when I saw the interview recently
on Bloomberg with Sundar, uh, He just
didn't have that dog in him to me.
Like, I was like, when I listen to
Zuckerberg, when I listen to Elon, um,
and maybe they are also influenced to
a measure, obviously everybody is to an
extent, but I just get this sense that
people like Zuck and people like Elon
are just kind of have this, like, I'm
gonna do it like, you know what I mean?
Like I'm gonna do it and nobody's
stopping me and the way in which I see
the world is going to happen, you know?
And I just didn't get that sense
from Sundar, even Satya of, um, of
Microsoft, he was trash talking.
He's like, and in a recent interview,
he's like, I make Google dance.
I was like, Oh, I think, I think
Microsoft actually might win.
I was like, you know what I mean?
Cause, cause it all comes
back to high school.
It all comes back to high school in
that man, whoever has that He probably
getting the girl, you know what I mean?
Like that just proves my point.
I think Sindar is controlled, right?
Like I said, he's, he's
Ps Adam: like, Oh man,
I've got to do this.
I'm stuck, you know, I'm
controlled by the military.
Um, but you know, you have got what
I would say, and maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe Sam's not a purist, but I think he.
He's always presented to me like,
I'm really into this technology.
Yeah, for sure.
Um, you know, he, he could
have done so many other things.
I think he's been working on this
for 15 years, something like that.
Over a decade for sure.
That's a lot of anonymity
working behind the scenes.
And it's really what in the last
year and a half, two years, that
people know he's a household name.
Arun: But I wonder if the
moment they took that deal with
Microsoft, it changed everything.
Probably.
So, like, once you take that kind
of big money from an enterprise,
right, that's probably being
controlled by entities, you know?
Well, I mean, what
Ps Adam: did they take?
Uh, 50%.
Oh, 50 for a hundred billion or something.
It's like,
Ps Vance: I think it's like 49%.
It's like a half
Ps Adam: a company.
Yeah.
Right, right, right.
But he's trying to raise,
what, 3 trillion now?
Arun: Yeah.
For his next, yeah.
Something like that.
For for a GI or whatever it is, but crazy.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think the thing is is, and the
be, I have to make, maybe it's not
Sundar 'cause like a lot of people
are calling for his head right now,
but, um, and it's mostly because of
the speed at which Google, but their
Ps Vance: stock is doing well.
Arun: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The dividends really helped.
I mean, they're, they have so much in
product, like, are we ever going to stop?
It's not going to let them fail.
And then also that, I want
to touch on something.
Actually, we've talked about AI I
want to touch on this recent crazy,
have you guys been following?
Um, and it's related to all of
this, but it's investing in general.
But the meme stuff that's
been happening at meme stocks,
Oh, Ryan Kitty's back back.
Okay.
So you guys, I'm going to give
a little bit of context to our
Ps Vance: funny meme though.
The other day it was like, uh, Ryan Kitty
gives great investment advice, but when
he's not doing that, he's a youth pastor.
I saw that.
I was like, he doesn't look like a
youth pastor at Elevation Church.
I saw
Ps Adam: that with the headband.
I don't know.
Cause I saw it somewhere.
I thought it was, I think Michael
Whittle posted it or something like that.
Yeah.
Arun: So his name is Keith Gill.
So if you're looking for an image of what
he looks like roaring kidding on Twitter.
So back in 2021, um, he made a post
on Reddit on wall street bets about
GameStop and how it's really valued.
So it's a high short interest and
that, um, like retail investors
should get in and make a play.
Eventually that led to a short
squeeze of GameStop, the stock pumped.
Um, and then there was this whole run
out of was that stock manipulation, you
know, and in traditional stock markets,
the stock market can freeze a stock
if there's a lot of volatility where
in crypto, you can kind of just run
up and down, you know, at free will.
So, um, during that initial frenzy
GameStop was halted a number of times.
Robinhood took a big
hit, um, on all of this.
This time around and then since
2021, I think he's been kind
of off the map since then.
Well, yeah Yeah, and then
about maybe a week ago.
He came back his twitter account
reactivated And maybe every hour and
hour he's just been posting memes
about Um, really about who knows what
you know, really and then there's
a lot of like well There's a lot of
people that were mad with him Oh, yes.
Government people,
Ps Adam: government people.
Well, I mean, this is what hedge funds do.
So what he did is what hedge funds do.
Hedge funds just get insider
trading and he did the opposite.
So he pushed the market by compelling
people to, to come with him.
And then all the insider trading that was
done, you know, whether the hedge funds
know a government, you know, loophole or
what's going to happen in foreign affairs
is George Soros, how he made his money.
Uh, they know what, It's going
to happen a year from now,
two years from now, whatever.
Then they short the stock or if
they know they're going to bolster a
government, then they actually invest.
So they have a huge windfall.
That's how hedge funds make their money.
But when a little person does it because
they rally a community, well, then
they're like, Oh, we don't like that.
Of course they don't know.
Cause then they lose all their money.
And that's what Roaring Kitty has done.
Arun: Yeah.
And now he's back.
The stock is back.
Pumping again, but again, it's almost
like a year in the cycle and it's
crazy that it's happening again.
But I just
Ps Adam: thought it was going
to be a one off because a lot
of people still lost money.
Arun: Yeah.
Oh yeah.
But he started this movement of diamond
hands or just holding for the, for the
right to be a part of this community.
And people have just been holding all the
way through and they're still holding.
And they're.
Now riding this wave again, and
now it's giving them what is this
inspiration that he was able to give
these people like the little people?
Well, you tell us
because you're in crypto.
Ps Vance: So yeah, that's
where crypto started really
was this idea that we need to
Arun: get away from the government
and like letting Anybody else
have control other than ourselves?
Exactly.
Um, but now, you know, you, okay.
So, so this,
Ps Vance: this is, this
is my question, right?
Because in my opinion, it's the
same exact thing with Bitcoin.
At the end of the day, Bitcoin
is just based on belief.
Yeah.
At the end of the day.
There's nothing like really, I mean, you
can make a lot of different arguments.
Oh, decentralized
systems, blah, blah, blah.
But at the day, I think mainly
why it's priced the way it
is, is mainly based on belief.
Right.
And so I was actually talking to somebody.
Um, about this reason, actually,
some of your colleagues and friends
that I won't name names, uh, but
they're so deep into this, right?
Like they've dedicated
their lives to this.
They're building companies around crypto.
They're investing in crypto
and things like that.
And I asked a question, I said, okay, hey.
We serve 600 churches right now
and I'm hearing all these things
about crypto and, uh, you know,
even Bitcoin if we simplified it.
Um, should I be encouraging, uh,
churches, um, to put 2%, 5 percent
of their reserve strategy, whatever
they have in savings into Bitcoin?
Is that, is that a prudent strategy?
You're so convicted in this.
You're so convicted.
No, no, no, you can't, you can't,
so I'm like, wait, wait, no, no, no.
For personal, for personal use, I would
tell anybody to, but not with God's money.
And I just found that interesting.
I'm not saying that their
take is right or wrong.
I just found it interesting.
You know what I mean?
Um, where it couldn't be
substantiated even on that level.
Yeah.
Arun: Yeah.
Ps Vance: Right.
Um, so you
Arun: guys about that, about
specifically towards like church money.
Cause that's, that is a very different
kind of topic about the stewardship
of that and then putting that towards
investments where, what is your take
on that in terms of like, What are
you allowed to invest in as a church?
I guess because growing money for the
church seems like a great thing, right?
Like you would want to grow the money
and then it advances the kingdom of God.
But where does that happen?
I
Ps Adam: mean, this is quite a big debate.
I think sometimes between churches, church
boards, you know, that are, um, I remember
when we first started receiving stock.
Um, it was definitely a robust
discussion amongst our board.
Um, and we reached out at the time.
Uh, there was probably, we're
pretty split in the board.
People are like, Oh no, no.
If someone gives stock, we
liquidate it straight away.
You know, that's, we
just, we just do that.
Um, I was definitely
leaning on, on, Hey guys.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Like, you know, if we're ever gonna,
uh, you know, afford buildings in the
Silicon Valley, we, we might want to
kind of really Optimize and maximize
what this stock growth could look like.
Um, so we, we collectively
decided let's talk to some big
churches around the nation.
Finally enough, every one of them said
to us, Oh no, we liquidate straight away.
Um, we went back to as a board and we
really discussed, Hey, what if we do this?
And we made a really cool rule.
If it's T1 stock, we can hold
it, but anything other than that,
we'll just liquidate it and we'll
just, you know, make sure that
that's a gift straight away.
Well, What it proved out for us
was I think we gained a couple of
hundred thousand dollars, if I'm
correct, uh, that was actually pivotal
in us getting our first building.
Yeah, for
Ps Vance: sure.
Ps Adam: It had, we had not had that
stock growth cause I mean, it was in
a, in a very, uh, bullish kind of a
season of, of stock market growth.
Uh, it was, it was arguably easy to
argue that that was the best plan.
So I think you need wisdom.
I think you need to, and it
talks to the market at large.
Like I think during the pandemic, I think
stock trading went through the roof.
All of a sudden you had
new traders come in.
You have the emergence
of Robin, Robin hood.
You had, you had tools.
And I think that that's even
what speaks to roaring kitty.
Now it's not just an
old man's wealthy club.
You've got people who
on their first paycheck.
Thinking about putting a portion into
buying, um, you know, micro shares
and different things like that.
The, the way that shares are broken
up now you can actually be an
investor without buying a whole stock.
Um, and things like that.
And now there is actually people
clueing into how the rich get richer
because it was like a private club of
trading that they had no access to.
Now it's being infiltrated by punks
in, you know, in quotes, um, who,
who are able to actually disrupt it
because they understand that there is
some corruption behind these things.
There are insider trading.
I mean, the fact that people like
Nancy Pelosi can be so brilliant
at stock trading, you know, I think
people literally, and they're making
money off watching her share trades.
So I think.
What this is kind of like a, With
Roaring Kitty, I think it's definitely
a movement of rebellion against just
being a by product of, you know, insider
trading and let's disrupt the market,
let's pull the rug out from underneath
them and cause they're, They're, uh,
they're making money off shorting
stock and they're making money off,
uh, puts and, and all these things.
And we've got to, we've
got to take that back.
Arun: Yeah.
But it's, it's tough because even with
the information we have now, I can't even
imagine what it was like back in the day
when you couldn't get access to this.
There's still so much
information we don't have.
And like you said, the rich get richer
because they're now connected with
the inner circle of people that aren't
doing insider trading, but are at the
same time giving you that kind of pre
information that allows you to make
that right call at the right time.
And so it makes it hard to be.
Really a good investor and it kind of
feels like you're still gambling because
you don't have all the information.
A hundred percent.
You're just making like an educated
guess but it's like you do have
to take that shot and I think.
I do think it's gambling.
Yeah.
Ps Adam: I think there's a way to
approach the stock market that is
gambling in a way that isn't gambling.
I think if you've got a, um, a product
that you believe in and that you
actually think is a great investment,
if you look at it as I'm an investor
in a company, then actually that's a
great way to enter the stock market.
Cause I'm going to watch this
company build and I'm going to
watch my investment go to work.
Long term view.
Yeah.
If you're looking to get in
and trade and make a quick,
well, you're actually gambling.
So you'd.
You don't even know what
the company's about.
You just see the way that it's building.
You see the high and you, you,
you're actually foolish because
you're gambling with money.
Um, so I think that is
the wrong way to approach.
Now getting on board with, uh,
roaring kitty and, and their plan.
I mean, if you need to have diamond hands
and hold, and you want to be part of a
movement, I'm sure that that's going to,
Ps Vance: yeah, I think what he's
solving for people is community.
Exactly.
Right.
I don't think he's going
to find a belonging.
He's not really solving
financial problems for people.
He's just solving, Oh, I get to
belong to this, uh, Reddit group.
I get to belong to this community.
And it's a, it's a water cooler
conversation on a Monday.
That's really exhilarating
and exciting for me.
Um, because to Pastor Adam's point,
I think, and that's part of my issue
with crypto is I think a lot of
people that are in it are misinformed.
Um, they are just trying to flip, they
are just trying to make a quick buck.
And it's.
Always, almost always the case that
when you're having that mentality,
you will lose your shirt, um, and
you'll get in at the wrong time
cause you don't understand it.
Right.
Um, and I don't fully
understand most of crypto.
Um, what problem is it solving?
If I did, I'd probably
have more conviction.
I'd probably be more bullish on trying to
educate, you know, our customers about it.
And things like that.
What I do know is that there are
people that do understand it, that
do want to be generous with it.
So we're going to be the infrastructure
that allows people to give those assets.
Um, but if we don't personally
understand it fully, I do agree with
the advice of, Hey, liquidate it.
Unless it is a tier one, like Apple,
Facebook, Google, that's not going
around anywhere, anytime soon.
Um, Um, and so that's
kind of the approach.
But, um, what's so funny and ironic to me
is that especially people that are Bitcoin
maximalists that are really pushing
Bitcoin under the narrative that high
sovereignty to the people decentralized,
you know, because the rich are getting
richer and you know, all that type of
stuff and they just get to print money.
I'm like, well, VCs own crypto banks
now own crypto fortune 500 on crypto.
You pumping Bitcoin.
Makes the rich richer.
It's just another, it's just another
asset class that makes the rich richer.
Exactly.
The funniest part
Arun: about crypto, at least like,
obviously I've been in it, but this is
the thing, obviously I've been in it,
but the funniest part where I kind of
disagree with like maybe like the maxis
of like certain groups about like, And
we're going to overthrow the government.
We're never going to
overthrow the government.
There's never a situation, I don't
care who you are, that the government
says, yes, you take over money.
Money is your responsibility now,
we're just going to operate out of
goodwill and you guys all just deal
with money in a decentralized way.
That's never going to happen.
Well, because
Ps Vance: people's
argument is this, oh, well.
What is what is usd?
What is right?
Because it's not even
tied to gold anymore.
It's not backed by anything.
No, no, no, it's backed
by the military, dude.
Like it's backed by the defense budget
That's that's how they enforce, right?
Arun: It's like what you said about
flipping right people are looking to
flip a quick buck If we, if they really
were crypto maxis, they wouldn't care
what the price of Bitcoin, you just
need Bitcoin to transact, it could
be 1 fiat doesn't matter to you, but
everybody that you talk to is like.
Oh, Bitcoin is worth USD, so you really
care about, you really care about SD,
so that's the part that doesn't matter.
And then the use case.
Yeah, we will, we're still
working on that part.
. Yeah,
. The tech is here, but stay tuned.
Yeah, the use case I
think is definitely there.
Um, but I think on the, the topic of
just investments in general, think.
Finding out that information is, I think,
the key thing that I was like looking
into when I was looking into all of this.
With Keith and Warren Kitty, he did that.
Look, there's no quick, rich scheme.
That's the biggest thing.
Get rich quick.
There's none.
There is none.
And if it sounds like it, get
out because it's not that.
Run to the hills.
There's none.
I
Ps Adam: think you, you have to,
uh, really just, Almost sometimes
be a traditionalist in ways and
go, okay, what's the traditional
ways that I can actually build 100
percent because I do think it's
God's plan for you to build wealth.
Okay.
So I've got to have some securities.
I've got to have some investments.
I've got to have some property.
I'm going to have some products.
I've got to have all the areas and I've
got to actually move the faders over time.
Okay.
I'm not going to just all of
a sudden make big on here and
then, you know, get out now.
I know that that does happen randomly.
Okay.
Maybe there is a unicorn company and
maybe there's an IPO or there's all
these different things, but they're like,
they're like a, a Steph Curry or a LeBron
amongst the NBA, you know, to stand out in
that crowd is very, very, very difficult.
So you're actually smart to actually.
Keep moving on a strategy
that is traditional.
Let me find companies I believe in.
I only invest in stock that I actually
feel like I'm going to, it's a Warren
Buffett method, invest in Coke.
If you're going to drink Coke, if you
don't drink Coke, don't invest in Coke.
If you don't eat McDonald's
don't, don't invest in McDonald's.
You gotta, you gotta actually eat
the burger that you're investing in.
And you've got to believe in that product.
So good.
Arun: Yeah.
And then I think this always comes back
to what you guys have talked about a lot.
It's people, right?
You're investing in the
people, the team, right?
And so like you guys have talked
about that all the time, the deeper
connection that you guys have.
Um, and with the products itself.
And so I think when you're looking
into the product itself, look
who's behind it, and then you'll
kind of know your answer as well.
Look who's behind it.
Exactly.
That's for sure.
All right.
And then what else we want to talk about?
Actually, I wanted to talk
about this in the beginning.
Um, but, um, I recently just got
my nose fixed, like my DBS septum.
Fixed.
And so just have a splint out.
So if I'm bleeding on
camera, just let me know.
You got it out today?
Uh, I got out yesterday, so Whoa.
Um, so and I, what happened?
Uh, so like, when I was younger, uh, I was
playing football, got clocked in the face.
Yep.
Like, broke my nose.
It just popped it back into place and
then it never got checked out, but I
was like, not breathing out of like one
side of my nose for like 15 years now.
What's it like now?
He's about to join Vibe Warship.
You're about to go for a run, look at you.
I'm so excited to start, like, just fully,
like, what if I become LeBron James?
Who knows?
What happens?
I'm just saying, we don't really
know what I'll be like, so.
I'm just going to get out there.
You're on super mode right now.
But I just got an Aura Ring.
I ordered it yesterday and I
want to start tracking my sleep.
Hello.
Um, and so I was curious what
other products you guys are using.
Today, oh my goodness.
That you find really useful.
And I, because I've heard or ring, you
know, very expensive monthly subscription.
How long are people gonna,
how expensive is it?
So it's about, it depends on the mall.
You got 3 99 to like $500.
Whoa.
Just for the ring.
Whoa.
Um, and then it's 7 99 a
month to actually use it.
It is, gosh, H-S-A-F-S-A
eligible, which is $7
Ps Vance: and 99 cents.
Yeah.
$7 and 99 cents a month.
Yeah, exactly.
Arun: Um, but because it's HSA
eligible, it's like a medical expense.
So that's great.
Um, but, um, but yeah, I'm
curious what you guys are using.
What any Brax?
Okay.
Okay.
Ps Vance: So, um, I highly recommend
this product it's called eight sleep.
Oh, I sleep is a, uh, mattress cover,
um, tech enabled mattress cover that goes
over whatever mattress you have right now,
um, it's connected to a pod that you put
Uh, water and it's really easy to set up.
And basically it is a tech enabled
temperature controlled mattress
cover essentially, and it learns
your REM sleeping patterns to be able
to modulate the temperature based.
On the optimum temperature
when you're in REM.
Um, so it keeps you in REM, uh, for
the maximum amount of time, which is
actually where all the regenerative
properties of sleeping, uh, come in.
And, um, it's been a game changer, uh, you
know, and then it has all the analytics,
like an aura ring or Apple watch in
terms of, or a Garmin in terms of your
sweet sleep quality and things like that.
Uh, but it's been a game changer because.
It splits the bed.
Um, Kim and I just have
different preferences, right?
She always wants it a little bit hotter.
I want it way cooler.
And so we can split the
bed and, um, do that.
And so, uh, probably one of
the best investments that I've
made in the past 12 months.
Yeah.
It's really, really good.
Arun: That's what I've been looking into.
So I'm definitely like, cause I'm, I'm
so focused on getting better sleep.
Uh, and so I want to get
the analytics around.
I've never tracked my sleep
or done anything like that.
Um, doing this procedure was the
first time I've had a sleep study
done and like gone down that route.
So eight sleep.
What about you?
Pastor Adam?
I
Ps Adam: mean, I sleep fine.
Uh, I'll be honest with you, uh, I
sleep like you should invest in whiskey.
It's a great, great remedy.
No, I, I honestly, uh, I love sleeping.
So I mean, sleeping superpower,
uh, I'm just trying to stay up.
Like past 9 p.
m.
at the moment, Kira and I, Kira and I,
like, we get into bed at nine and going,
are we allowed to go to sleep now?
Like we literally, uh, have been,
have been loving that, um, and
getting, getting a lot of sleep.
How do you wind down to
Ps Vance: where nine is
Ps Adam: you're ready to sleep?
I don't know, but I don't, I also don't
want to jinx it because I can, I can
literally just get to bed and sleep.
Really?
I can do it.
Uh, I get, I think it's
because You don't have like
Ps Vance: a wind down routine,
like No, I think it's just, I
Ps Adam: get up so early.
Right.
So you're just done.
So my day starting at like 4.
30, 5 AM.
And so, and so I'm like, I'm done.
I'm done.
My daughter's always trying to have
like a deep conversation late at night.
So my, my Zara will come in specifically.
And, uh, I'm going to fire off a podcast
with her, actually, where we're going to
do a dad, daughter, theology, theology
conversation, beautiful, where she's just
going to ask me all the hard questions.
She asks me.
Late at night, I'm going to
channel it to a podcast where
my brain's actually functioning.
Uh, but we have these deep questions.
I'll be able to go to sleep.
You should be like, so don't
tell me about the Nephilim.
Oh my gosh.
So we'll, um, we'll, we'll do that.
But I'm back to the Garmin
watch, believe it or not.
I was on the, uh, the,
the new Apple watch.
Uh, I got gifted an Apple watch and
so it was, it's, it's pretty big.
I tried to persevere with it.
Is it the ultra?
The Ultra, yeah.
Um, and you know, I just,
you like the Garmin better.
I really love the
simplicity of the Garmin.
It's just button on.
Like, 'cause you have to swipe the screen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And when you get a little
sweaty and it's just, and you
are trying to, it's annoying.
Stop it and it's not responding and
it's like, ah, this thing's annoying.
And the battery life, if you don't charge
it, oh, the garment is really good.
You go to use it and you're like.
Now I have to wait like
10 minutes for it to try.
The Garmin
Ps Vance: will go three, four
Ps Adam: days, nine days.
Oh, nine days.
Wow.
The days the one I had was
three, four days, nine days.
I got this like sapphire one I think.
Yeah.
Um, and it's amazing.
It lasts nine days.
Arun: Wow.
It's best for running.
Does it do other activity tracking
like weightlifting and, but it's best.
Yeah, it does.
All of it.
It is all of days.
I think it does all, I think I've heard
the Garmin is more accurate than Apple.
Oh, it's way more accurate than Apple.
Okay.
That's why it's way, I heard some
runner say it's the most accurate.
It's most accurate.
It's definitely the
Ps Adam: most accurate And, uh.
But, uh, as far as tech, not much, man.
I'm, I'm, I'm shooting the
guns out on the property.
That's my thing.
That's fair.
Arun: I think like most of it, I think
now people are like productivity apps on
their phones and maybe on their laptops
and stuff, but I'm just curious what other
like physical products people are using.
This is probably going to be my first.
Yeah.
I'd like to know how it goes.
I would love to know.
I used to have the Aura.
What did you think
Ps Vance: of it?
It's kind of that charging issue.
Okay, yeah, that was my concern as well.
I stopped kind of using it
because I was really bad at like,
remembering to charge it and stuff.
You just don't remember
to like, take off a ring.
And then when it doesn't work, you're
like, ah, that was a waste of a day.
Yeah, yeah.
For this.
The missing data, it's
all based on data, right?
It's all based on data.
If you
Arun: miss one whole, like, It just
starts, you know, you get less analytics.
Right.
Exactly.
You
Ps Adam: might as well throw
Arun: it away.
Where are you going to
Ps Vance: have the ring?
Which,
Ps Adam: uh, index finger.
So, oh, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, so it's a supplement
to your wedding ring.
Arun: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So how about both?
Eventually that was kind of the, another,
Ps Vance: that was the other annoying
thing for me is like multiple rings.
This was like super, like a jewelry item.
Yeah.
And then you kind of take it off.
If you're bench pressing,
are you a jewelry guy?
Ps Adam: No, you're not a jewelry guy.
I don't have any
Ps Vance: accessories.
I have like zero.
Yeah.
You like, I'm not opposed to it.
Like at one point I do want
a watch, like a nice watch.
I actually told Kim, I was like, Oh
man, I'm going to get a nice watch.
Once we raise a series B and
then we raised a series B.
I was like, I just, I'm just
not, I'm just not going to do it.
Arun: I feel like there's like
a whole, I'm on the camp of,
Like not having a nice watch.
I mean eventually maybe at some
point but like there's such a
movement for people that do want a
nice watch, but it's such a hard.
Task to get money.
I thought of it just
wearing it on my wrist.
Yeah, it's very difficult to think of
Ps Adam: It is a statement piece,
yes, it's like it's a level of manhood
Yeah, I think that you arrive at right
when you get your nice nice watch.
But um, yeah, I'm a definitely a
jewelry guy Yeah, I do like accessories.
Yeah, I feel like it's either
Arun: or I feel like
there's no in the middle.
It's like no Either that
or you can't be half in.
Yeah, you can't half be half in.
Because like you said, it's not like
you don't want a half statement on
your . You don't half a statement,
Ps Adam: you know?
That's funny.
Yeah.
Um, and then a calculator.
Watch.
Remember?
Remember those?
A functional, I knew you
would get one of those.
a
Arun: functional watch.
It's, if it's not doing anything,
what's, why is it on my body?
Know?
It's gotta be.
I
Ps Adam: just pictured you
back in the nineties with the
calculator Watch in class.
Cargo.
Cargo shorts.
Yep.
Arun: Yep.
Can do math.
Yep.
Did cargo, short cargo.
Short cargo shorts are my thing.
Like people.
Used to make fun of me,
but now it's not good.
I mean, the utility, you
Ps Adam: have all the pockets.
I never had anything, but if I
needed to, I had the pockets.
I mean, you didn't have
girlfriends, but you had pockets.
Arun: Um, what else?
Anything else you guys want to chat about?
The last thing I wanted to chat about was.
The thing we dropped last week,
which was Biden's tax plan.
Yeah.
Let's
Ps Adam: talk about that.
I mean, I think the people have
been waiting with bated breath.
I feel like you were ready to jump on it.
I'm always ready to
Arun: tell us your thoughts
on Biden's tax plan.
Ps Adam: Look, I think there is
a very clear right at this point.
I mean, if we're going to
just take a little political.
Uh, perspective on what's happening
because we probably need to ramp
up the political narrative as we
head towards November this year.
And quite honestly, you've
got to look at the two camps.
You've got one camp pushing
everything to try and, uh, make a
presidential candidate illegitimate.
Okay.
And so, you know, going through all
kinds of trials and things like that,
even the fact that the, the judge, I
think it came out yesterday that he is,
you know, Brother or son is a supporter
of the DNC or something like that.
Uh, it's crazy.
Cause he's like definitely hushed,
uh, uh, muted, uh, Donald Trump.
I don't know what the word is
for that, but, uh, he, he gets
fined if he says anything.
And it's like, hang on, you can't,
how do you not have freedom of speech?
Uh, that's like one of
our inalienable rights.
Uh, okay.
So that's, that's where the RNC are
coming out in force and support.
And then you've got, I think it's
such a clear and obvious, uh,
Play every policy from, uh, Biden
right now is let's buy votes.
Whether it's, you know,
let's pay off college debts.
Let's try and get college votes.
That's not working.
Uh, let's, uh, try and bring illegal
immigrants in to give them voting status.
And then the new tax policy, where
I think it's anybody who earns
over 400, 000 is now considered,
um, a super high income earner.
Is that correct?
Arun: Yeah, there, there's two things.
So it's.
Um, first off, it's a tax
the rich plan for sure.
Um, there's this idea of being able
to tax unrealized gains as well.
That one's crazy.
That is beyond me.
I don't think any of this
is in the past, by the way.
I think there's no way it's just something
that's put out there, but that is beyond.
How could that even be suggested?
It's well, it's a socialist plan,
Ps Adam: right?
Let's, let's try and present something
like a Robin Hood vibe where all
the, the, the lower Maybe income
earners in America, students, people
with a lot of loans and debts.
Let's try and present to them.
We want to, we want to tax the rich
and we want to go after that money.
It doesn't impact you vote for us.
It's going to impact them because
I mean, in theory, the 1 percent
are at the top and the mass of
people probably are at the bottom.
So if I can buy cheap votes by making
these promises, even though it would
not ever get passed, at least he
can hold his head and say, I tried.
Right.
Okay.
I tried, but they stopped me, you
know, not that I don't think him
or his party wanted to go through,
it's just a play in my opinion.
Arun: Yeah.
Ps Vance: I think in general, there's,
there's so many, um, rabbit holes.
You can go down politically, uh,
personality wise, you know, there's
this VC that tweeted the other day,
you know, the way I based my politics
Who do I want my kids to be more like?
And you know, it's just
like, it's just crazy.
So, so how do you answer that one?
Well, I just, I don't think we can
because it's so charged with the motion.
Right.
And so I think what I try to come down
to is, all right, what's the first
principle that I'm most aligned to?
And I think politically, what I
think I'm most aligned to is I
just don't want a big government.
I want the smallest government possible.
Um, cause I just think that left to its
own device, bigger and bigger governments,
I think it's proven in history, um,
doesn't lead to more and more freedom.
It leads to more and more restriction.
It leads to more and more dictatorship
like power in action eventually.
Right.
And so when I hear things like, um, Hey,
we're going to, Tax unrealized gains.
It's just one of many things that I
hear that's like, wow, you want more
and more government power, right?
That's basically what you're saying.
Um, and anything that is doing that,
I think I'm just, I'm, I'm not for.
Yeah,
Ps Adam: well, I mean, that definitely
is a move towards a communistic era
where there is no motivation to advance
because if I'm going to get taxed on
unrealized gains, then even the idea
of actually advancing is penalized.
Ps Vance: And let me take the, the,
um, steel man to that or the straw
man, whatever you want to call it.
Basically, uh, the argument is, well,
don't you want to compassionate?
Government.
My thing is like, oh, so we
want to outsource our compassion
to the government, right?
We don't trust ourselves and maybe we
shouldn't, but that's why I also believe
in the local church to teach people
principles like compassion and generosity.
And I'm not just saying it.
I'm, I'm trying to build stuff that.
Uh, that, uh, propagate that.
And so, um, my, my thing is like,
I don't want to outsource, um,
you know, the way that wealth is
distributed to the government.
And I also don't want to
outsource the way that people
are cared for to the government.
Do I think that the government.
In whatever resources that they
get should care for people.
Yeah, but I don't want to increase the
amount of outsourcing to them on that.
You know,
Ps Adam: I think it's going to be very
interesting what happens politically
because what's happening, I think,
even with Donald Trump right now.
It's, it's, um, it's really amazing
to me that, uh, you've got a candidate
who's going through these, uh,
very politically charged trials.
Uh, there's no doubt about it, but then
what happens beyond that, you know,
I, I think where everything's sitting
right now, it doesn't look as good.
Even remotely likely that
Biden will get reelected.
I think just in the polls, the
positioning, and the more they
keep pushing Trump, it actually
pushes people out of that.
Because I think most people
probably do want a, at least if
they don't want a small government,
they want a fair government.
I think people long for a fair judicial
system and this looks so corrupt and
it seems like this could be Ukraine.
This could be Russia.
This could be an election.
Well, how come, you know,
uh, Putin is president again?
Well, okay.
Because they control the elections.
They kill any adversary or they,
we might not be killing them.
But we're definitely persecuting them.
And, uh, I don't know what the backlash
would be from that when Trump gets into
office and, you know, it goes after
obvious legal activity from Hunter Biden.
I mean, we've got all the evidence,
all these kinds of kinds of things.
Um, And I mean, look, what's even coming
out now are people being prosecuted for
election fraud during the 2020 election.
Okay.
So, so, and even with, um, I'm
going to put my CIA hat back on.
I've forgotten to put
the tinfoil hat on guys.
I'm sorry.
Uh, today, but, but you know, uh,
we know from fact that CIA rigged
the Italian election that, uh, got,
uh, uh, Mussolini out of government.
We know that they filled ballot boxes.
We know that that is a
pattern of American history.
Why was it over the last several
years, it was such a, an alarmist
thing to say that the election would
have been rigged, but it's evident
that we've done that in the past.
And so right now, and I mean, I don't
know if you saw that rally, uh, that
Trump just had in, uh, I forget where
it was, maybe somewhere in Florida.
You got to look this up.
It's massive.
It is one of the biggest political
rallies in the history of America.
Really?
Trump came in like a.
An absolute superstar Bieber out here.
He did a fly over in the Trump plane.
Uh, where was this Michigan?
That's right.
So I said Florida.
I don't know why I said that,
but Michigan, but they, they do
these reports on the crowd, right?
So this is
Arun: live, sorry, this
is happening right now.
He's doing one in Michigan.
So maybe you've
Ps Adam: got to look at
the large one last week.
I don't know what it was.
Check this out.
So, so there's a, it's a camera
foot and this is a reporter going.
This is one of the biggest crowds I've
seen looking this way from where the
media station was set up at what was
meant to be the back of the crowd.
Okay.
Wow.
But then they pan around and
the crowd behind them was even
bigger than the crowd in front.
So they put the, you know, they put the
film cameras all the way to the back
of the crowd where they think that,
you know, that'll be the back, but so
many people came out that they were
in the middle of where the crowd was.
It was gigantic.
Yeah.
And so you've got like this huge
groundswell and the argument is,
Hey, Biden can hardly get 200 people.
To an event, you've got, you know, near a
hundred thousand people coming out to an
event that where Donald Trump is speaking.
And yet how does that
not show up in the polls?
Ps Vance: Right.
Well, maybe it will this time
around, you know, maybe it will.
I mean, I do think that, um, these
past three, four years, uh, I have
seen a huge swing back towards,
uh, popular conservative voices
that are being received, um, by
large, uh, proportion of people.
Right.
Um, and it's even getting
popular on YouTube.
It's not, they're not getting canceled.
Um, at least anymore.
And, um, I'm, I'm hearing these
kinds of conservative principles.
Come back with a vengeance.
Uh, and do I agree with all of them?
Um, and do I agree with
all of these personalities?
No, but what I do find refreshing
is that I feel like there is
room again for multiple different
voices and perspectives.
And I think that's very important.
Arun: Very important.
I think it kind of ties to what
we talked about last podcast
where about sharing your opinions.
And I think what happened.
Maybe over the recent years, like
definitely around when the vaccine
was coming out, even just asking
questions about the other side of a
point just got you canceled immediately.
But now it feels like people are more
willing to have a conversation and
people that, you know, now have come out
to be wrong about certain situations.
It feels like they're primed to be
attacked, but I think the, the right way
to do it is to have some compassion as you
go about this, or it's just going to be.
The other way.
And it's just going to be, let
me ask you a question about it.
Yeah.
Ps Adam: Is, is the contention in
the presidential race, not just
a values or a policy situation?
Do we, as people want a leader?
Do we, do we need leadership
and do we look for leadership?
And so that's where the personality
play comes so much important because
we're looking for a particular leader.
Definitely need that dog in you.
Right, right, right, right.
But, and, and, uh, is as a nation, uh,
we literally going, we want a leader.
We don't want, we want someone
who's going to protect us.
We don't want someone who's just
going to let the border open
because it's personally gained.
Do we want a leader?
Maybe I'm wondering if a lot of.
I don't know if there's a whole group
of all of a sudden like Trump, but
maybe do they go, Hey, this guy's
actually got our best interests.
If I could put my own agenda aside and
my own, like maybe, uh, proclivities,
but is this the best thing for my family?
Um, you know, because we've got even
all the reports of these illegal
immigrants now killing people.
Stealing stuff.
I don't know if you saw the other day,
uh, just yesterday, there's a news Tesla
charges are all getting, um, the charging
cords are getting cut off for the copper.
And, and, uh, so like, that's just
crazy, but you can't even charge your,
your car now because the charging
stations are getting, uh, stolen.
So it's, it's like, okay, well,
we, we don't want illegals
cause illegals come in.
They have no.
Heart for society or the community,
there is a way to come in legally.
Uh, but ultimately I don't feel protected.
So is there a big part in this maybe
election cycle where people are looking
for leadership and here's my question
to you, how important is leadership?
Arun: Oh, I would, I would
say it's huge, right?
How do you have change without leadership?
Right.
And so, I mean, you guys are
both leaders in your space.
Like there's no way you could
have your company just run.
You know, and by committee, by committee,
I mean, like you hope the ideas, but
you really do need somebody to shift
the forces one way or the other.
Right.
Okay.
So how does that work with the blockchain?
And, and the, so the
idea is that you have.
So the idea is that you
have enough stake of people.
So you have different levels.
So now we don't all have stake to
make decisions, the same stake.
So you might have more stake than I do.
So I'm a leader by
Ps Adam: default.
Then if I have
Arun: more, yeah, but you,
plus pastor Vance gives you the
same kind of decentralization.
So two thirds of us are still making
the decision, but you guys have more
stake than I do, if that makes sense.
Oh, got you.
So that's kind of how it works
in like the stake based system.
When it was proof of work before you'd
achieve consensus, By actually doing
hard work, but now it's just a matter of.
Who has, is there enough forces
out there that have enough stake
to make a decision to get it?
Ps Adam: see, it's interesting to
me because I feel like there was a
definite push away, like a, like a, a
rejection of leadership, you know, uh,
definitely through, um, what we would
call the, the, the crisis of COVID era.
I feel like there was a, a really
weird rejection of leadership.
And then that's where
we've got the Biden era.
And now it's like, it feels like, Oh
no, actually we want some leadership.
Mm.
And uh, you know, it's kind of
like even through the defund, the
police, we don't want, we don't
want authority, we don't want this.
It was like, this totally, this movement
societally against, let's reject
that and then realizing, oh, actually
no, no, that's actually good for us.
Arun: Right.
Ps Adam: So I'm just, I'm interested.
I'm always looking socially about, uh,
how, how just people trust leadership.
And, and I think there's,
it goes through facets.
It goes through ebbs and flows of
do people actually want leadership
or do they want to reject it?
Arun: Yeah.
I mean, I'd be curious for you here,
but it just makes a huge proponent
Ps Vance: of leadership.
Um, you know, I, I don't really see
a lot of, like you said earlier,
um, massive movements of change,
uh, without a strong leader.
I just, I don't know, I haven't seen it.
Um, and so, uh, I'm a huge
proponent of leadership.
I do think that, um, my hope and my
prayer is that whoever becomes president
and even just the president after
that, that there's a movement back to
also, um, you know, I mean, this is
our prayer as a church, um, God fearing
leadership at the end of the day.
Um, I, I really believe
that's going to bring.
The protection that's
going to bring the renewal.
That's going to bring the redemption
that I think people deep down
inside are actually crying out for.
And so we're praying for generations
down the line that places like vibe
church companies like overflow, uh,
would produce the leaders that are God
fearing leaders that revere God to the
extent that not only are they, uh, do
they got that dog in them, but, but,
but they, you know, honor the, the, the
The one in true God, they honor Jesus.
They honor his principles.
They honor his ways.
Cause that's at the end of the
day, the only thing that's really
going to be blessed in saying that,
um, I do think that we do have
a responsibility as Christians.
Um, and I don't like the
language of, Oh, you know, pick.
And I think, uh, the, uh, the best
of, you know, two necessary evils,
you know, all that type of stuff.
I think, I think we need to
be convicted in our policies.
I think we need to be convicted
in, in whatever we can do in the
interim, um, to move things in
at least the right direction.
Um, Let me
Ps Adam: ask, what do
you want in a leader?
Ps Vance: What are you looking for?
Ps Adam: Is it that dog?
Ps Vance: I mean, I, I joke, I
think I, part of it is that, I think
what I want, um, is clarity, right?
I want clarity.
I want, um, and that's hard
because politics is very murky.
I feel like, especially
in this day and age.
Um, but there are certain things,
uh, from the past administration.
Um, that totally line up, like actually
executed, lined up with our worldview,
um, of policies that were in place,
things that, uh, promote pro life, um,
things that protect this country, right.
And things like that.
And I think that you have
to look at all the evidence.
Um, and I think people that are
intellectually honest are looking at
all the evidence and they're putting
personalities for a side for a second.
And they're going to the
direction of what they're doing.
Really the the policies are leading
them towards right, you know
Arun: I think the thing I'm looking for
and it's never gonna happen But like
you want something that blurs the party
lines and that unifies the country.
I think right now we See a country divided
and then you kind of have Almost, you
know, the U S imploding from within.
And then while there's that internal
turmoil, you have these other
countries that are kind of like
taking steps ahead innovationally
in the way that they're moving.
Whereas us was like the leader in most
categories at one time, but now we're
kind of falling behind in certain areas.
So it'd be good to have a leader that can.
Even if you are on one side of the
line, find some way to unify, you
know, the nation instead of divide.
So I don't know how you do that.
It seems, you know, obviously much
easier said than done, but yeah, that
would be a, cause I think as a person,
I think the nation is more unified than
Ps Adam: we think.
And that's also true.
Yeah.
Could Yeah.
It's what you focused on, right?
Yeah.
I think it's more unified than we think.
I think the majority, I
honestly think the majority, uh,
actually want a good America.
Yeah.
They wanna prospering America.
Yeah.
They want wealth, they fundamentals,
they wanna protected America.
Yeah, for sure.
And they wanna provide it for America.
They want safety.
Yeah.
And um, there's a clip, you'll probably
see it on, on YouTube where in his
speech at this mammoth rally, uh.
Uh, Donald Trump, he, he shares
his negotiating tactics and the way
he negotiated with Emmanuel Macron
when he was the president, uh,
president of France, Prime Minister,
president of France, one of the two.
And, uh, uh, Emmanuel Macron was
pretty much, he was dialoguing
this, this thing saying, ah, sorry,
we just passed some tax laws.
It's too late.
We've already passed them.
You know, I know it doesn't benefit
America, but you just, you're too late.
And, uh, Donald Trump said, that's fine.
Okay, cool.
So every champagne.
Everything that comes from France, we're
going to triple the tax pretty much.
We're going to, and then
he's, Oh no, don't do that.
And he does his accent.
It was amazing.
It was hilarious.
Uh, but he just, what he, what he
revealed, I thought was very smart.
He said, we're bigger and
we ain't going to be pushed.
So.
Whatever you're prepared to do
to us, we're going to do trip.
And, and he, she revealed Emmanuel Macron
just crumbled and, Oh no, we'll change
it, we'll change it, we'll change it.
Right.
So I think it's like knowing who we are.
I want a leader that knows who
we are and defends America first.
It's got to be America first.
And, um, I think that that's just
what most people are looking for.
Most reasonable, rational
people are looking for.
Ps Vance: And it's interesting, right?
Um, when you say that.
I also, uh, really honor America's
history and being the most
generous country in world history.
Right.
Um, even until today, uh, when you
look at the amount of philanthropy
that comes from this nation and our
ability in the Silicon Valley to plant
churches all over the world, right?
Because it's that whole, um, adage.
This is a leadership adage that
we talk about at vibe, right?
Is Hey, put the oxygen
mask on yourself first.
Arun: If
Ps Vance: you're going to be.
Any good to anybody around you, right?
And so there's all these smoke
and mirrors sometimes about,
Oh, but what about compassion?
What about, you know, it's like, no,
no, you can't even be compassionate.
If you yourself are not good,
like you have to be good.
You have to be solid so that
you can also help others.
That's
Arun: good.
That makes sense.
It was a, it was a great podcast.
And then we're at time.
I just wanted to remind everybody.
You know, these are all our opinions.
We talk about it.
No, I think we're right.
I think this is the title.
We're probably right.
This one.
We were wrong.
Probably right.
One of the podcasts we were wrong.
That was it.
Ps Adam: No, we had a bit.
I love how you feel
like you had to qualify.
Yeah I know.
People already know.
that's true.
Fair enough.
It's not just we could, we're probably.
But uh,
Arun: No, but it's cool.
It's cool to be able to talk
about this kind of stuff.
You know, and just have
these conversations.
Yes.
And learn.
I learned a bunch when I'm just
chatting with you guys, so.
Um, hopefully everybody out there
is listening and learning as well.
And,
Ps Adam: and come to
Amen, Amen, experience.
We are about weeks away from Amen
and it is going to be so much fun
at this point in the, the lead up.
I'm just so excited to get in the
family together and get people
from all over the globe together.
And, uh, it is just going to
be a wild time from everything.
This is the biggest one yet.
Oh, for sure.
We've got 30 different sessions.
It's crazy.
Oh, it's going to be incredible.
Yeah.
I'm excited.
What's the, I think you're
speaking at a session, by the way.
Huh?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Three speed?
No.
I'll talk about it again.
I don't know.
You're a product.
You're a product.
A product of your own success.
Ps Vance: AmenExperience.
com.
Yes.
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Alright.
Cheers guys.