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Send us Fan Mail What if persistent pain is your body remembering what your mind forgot? We sit down with physical therapist and intuitive practitioner Jason Marvin to trace his journey from the high-volume “mill” model to a grounded, whole-person practice where structure, energy, emotion, and spirit work together. Jason shares the health crash that forced him to rethink everything—mysterious weight loss, headaches, and exhaustion that standard tests couldn’t explain—and the simple question t...
What if persistent pain is your body remembering what your mind forgot? We sit down with physical therapist and intuitive practitioner Jason Marvin to trace his journey from the high-volume “mill” model to a grounded, whole-person practice where structure, energy, emotion, and spirit work together. Jason shares the health crash that forced him to rethink everything—mysterious weight loss, headaches, and exhaustion that standard tests couldn’t explain—and the simple question that changed his path: are you carrying other people’s stuff?
We dive into energetic responsibility for both clients and clinicians: how to sense your boundaries, avoid merging, and keep sessions from draining your life force. Jason breaks down somatoemotional release and multi-hand work, explaining why the body often lets go of physical layers before emotion because safety comes first. He walks through a clear way to find the true primary driver of pain—testing structure, energy, mental patterns, and emotion—so treatment finally sticks instead of looping back.
If you’re a practitioner, you’ll learn to let healing flow through you rather than from you, protecting your health and amplifying results. If you’re a patient, you’ll gain tools to ground, clear, and call your energy back so your body can finally heal. Listen, share with a friend who needs a reframe, and subscribe for more conversations that reconnect you to your own center.
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SPEAKER_04: Hello and welcome.
I'm very excited on today's
session of the Soma Flow
podcast.
I have a very special guest with
me.
His name is Jason Marvin, a
physical therapist for 25 years
who believes true healing
happens when we care for the
whole person: body, mind,
emotions, and soul.
His passion is helping people
rise into their full potential
and experience a vibrant health
from the inside out.
Thank you, Jason, for joining me
today.
I'm so happy to have you here.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
Thank you for inviting me.
And you know, it's been a while.
We actually were, I think back
the last time we actually met.
We're like, we should do a
podcast.
Like, okay.
SPEAKER_04: That was like two
years ago.
SPEAKER_01: I know.
So Jason and I made this
coaching program.
SPEAKER_04: And it was, I think
we met on the last night of the
five-day.
That must have been in 2022.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think the
first time.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
And we were in this five-day
consciousness training for the
coaching program that we both
got certified in.
And um he's a body-based
practitioner.
I'm a body-based practitioner.
And it's a unique thing to be a
body-based practitioner in the
world of coaching and
consciousness because they'll
usually say, like, oh, we don't
need that.
And everything inside of me is
like, you're wrong.
Like, actually, don't tell me
I'm less than you.
Like, I'm just not like the
fighter in me is always like,
no, you just don't understand
the benefits.
So you say it's not necessary.
But um, so that's how Jason and
I met was the last day.
I think we were the only two
body-based practitioners there,
if I recall.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's
quite an interesting interesting
um dynamic, to be in a place of
coaching and then realize that
everybody else needs this stuff,
like not just coaching, but
bodywork too, at the same time
and the meshing of it all
together.
SPEAKER_04: So oh, right.
Yeah.
It was so inner that was an
interesting journey for me.
We could talk about it on
another episode.
Yeah.
But it was when it was coaching,
and I was like, wait a minute,
I've been doing this for 25
years.
I just don't charge as much as
you.
Like it was like, I've been
giving people wellness
strategies since I started this
career.
So it was just a funny
realization.
But our second encounter was at
an intuition training for five
days, and we had a group
together, and I'm just gonna
tell this story because it was
really funny.
And we were doing intuitive
readings for people, and this
one man had a question about his
love life.
And Jason and I had the same
vision, and we saw the same
woman in this man's field.
And what was that like for you?
Because that was kind of a fun
reading.
SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh Yeah, no,
it was pretty it was pretty
wild, you know, just the ping
ponging off of one another.
Like, you see this?
Yeah, I see that too.
Yeah, this is what's gonna
happen.
This is what she looks like,
this is what she's like.
SPEAKER_04: And you know what?
Okay, so Jason doesn't know
this, but he emailed me not that
long after, I think it was like
a year later, and he goes, You
guys were 100% accurate.
I met that exact woman and it
unfolded exactly as you thought
it would.
And it's not because we set the
you know thing in there, the
lesson we told him he needed to
learn was exactly what he
learned.
And he goes, That was exactly
what I needed to learn.
And it was amazing the accuracy,
especially when you get too
intuitive during a reading from
someone, anyways.
SPEAKER_01: Very powerful.
That's that's so amazing.
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
So it was kind of it was very
cool because you don't always
get feedback from people to go,
oh yeah, that reading was like
so accurate.
And um, thank you.
So I don't know that you know,
we don't always get that as
practitioners.
So no, we don't.
Yeah.
Um yeah, and so um this
conversation that we're gonna
have today is a little bit about
Jason's journey because he's
fascinating and I'm so grateful
to consider him a friend.
And he helped me um through some
coaching last year that was
probably the best coaching I've
ever had.
And I mean that from the bottom
of my heart.
And um, he helped me get to some
parts of myself that just were
trapped in in pain and in a
victim consciousness that aren't
there anymore.
So I'm so grateful for Jason and
the work that he does in the
world.
SPEAKER_01: So um I appreciate
that.
Very sweet of you to say.
SPEAKER_04: So I love that
you're kind of uh um that you're
not kind of, but you went from
super science to to woo, and now
you do both.
And I I would love to hear a
little bit about your journey.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: How it happened?
unknown: Wow.
SPEAKER_01: Well, it it was
quite it's quite fascinating,
actually.
You know, thinking about my
journey back then, coming out of
school, you know, I'm gung ho.
I'm like, I want to help people.
This is awesome.
And I'm very sports-related and
all that kind of stuff.
And I started working at a
clinic originally that was
sports medicine.
No, it was just a mill.
Here, give some exercises, give
some exercises.
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, can we
talk about that for just a
minute?
Like the mill mentality drives
me insane.
Okay, we have to do another
podcast on that.
I'm not gonna impress it, but
yeah, okay, sorry.
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, all right,
um, helping no, that's that's
that's not part of it.
We just we just wanted to get a
bunch of people in here to make
money.
SPEAKER_03: Drive me nuts.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I I really
kind of realized that I was not
helping people that way.
So I ended up getting in contact
with one of my colleagues that I
went to school with, and he was
working for an individual.
And basically, they were
teaching osteopathy um
principles.
Okay.
We were a physical therapist,
but we can still learn all those
types of techniques and all that
kind of stuff.
So so yeah, I started really
delving into that and just
really understanding how to
treat the body as itself, but
from a physical level.
SPEAKER_04: And hands-on
approaches.
SPEAKER_01: Oh, what's that?
SPEAKER_04: So more hands-on.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it was
all hands-on, and you know,
there were exercises in there,
but only it's very, very
specific to what you were trying
to accomplish within the body,
right?
Not just this random, hey,
here's these 10 exercises that
they we give you, give
everybody, right?
SPEAKER_03: Right.
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
It's very, very specific, you
know, because you're treating
this one person.
I went from the mill to treating
two people an hour.
At least I had person, some one
person for a half hour say,
okay, which was really
beneficial, you know, when
you're first starting to learn
and all that kind of stuff.
But I think the biggest thing
that I began to realize
throughout this whole thing
while I was doing it, um, is the
more you're in contact with
people, you start to unknown to
us sometimes and to me at the
time, was this big energetic
exchange going on?
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
SPEAKER_03: It's huge.
SPEAKER_01: And it's huge.
And you know, I had a lot of
really, really, really good
experiences with with
individuals just for just in
that half an hour.
It was it was amazing.
I really started to understand
that hey, I can really help
people when we start to really
focus on the whole person in
general.
Yes, I was still doing it from a
structural standpoint at that
point in my life, um, which was
amazing, but at the same time,
because you're delving into
fascia and all that kind of
stuff, sometimes people have a
somat emotional release.
I'm like, oh what the hell's all
this?
This is really weird.
Like, what's going on?
SPEAKER_04: Didn't you train you
in physical therapy school about
that?
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_01: Nothing about that.
No, seriously, at least at the
at that time.
See, that was 25 years ago, you
know.
So things have obviously changed
at this point, and I hope to god
that they're bringing that kind
of stuff in at this point.
SPEAKER_04: I hope so, because
that's one of the foundations in
Massage School.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but well, the
thing is, we we weren't just in
PT school, they're not just
training you about fashion,
they're training, they're doing
everything.
So it's like, hey, how can we
like give the biggest bang for
the buck?
And that's more of a post-grad
thing.
The emotional stuff.
I think that's what they really,
you know, they really kind of
think about, you know.
So, and that that's fine, that's
just how it is.
But trying to get you through a
state board exam, that's like if
they're mean focus.
But okay, I think you know,
starting to treat about two
hours or um two years, I should
say, into doing PT with people,
um, I started having my own like
issues, like run, really run
down, headaches, you know, gut
stuff, digestive stuff, losing
weight unexpectedly, and going,
what is going on with me?
Here I am, an athlete,
competitive athlete doing stuff,
you know, really, really pushing
my body all the time, eating you
know, thousands of calories a
day, and I'm just losing weight,
like not just a couple pounds.
We're talking like five, ten, it
just kept going, 15 pounds.
SPEAKER_04: Just there's a lot
of people listening right now
wanting to know the secret to
losing weight like that.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the opposite.
This is not the way to do it.
SPEAKER_04: Mine just kept going
up and up and up.
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, this is not
the way to do it.
But and you know, here I am
going, oh my god, I didn't have
freaking cancer or something,
you know.
It's like that's one of the
hallmark signs, is like you're
losing weight unexpectedly,
you're having like night pain or
just weird stuff, right?
It's hallmark sign of cancer
type stuff.
So it's like, of course, the
brain's like going through like,
oh my god, oh my god, oh my god.
You know, so I go to the doctor,
run a bunch of tests.
Of course, there's nothing wrong
with you, nothing wrong with
you.
They can't find anything, which
is like okay.
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I really
have an experience to have.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like and
I knew there was something,
there was something else going
on, you know.
Yeah, I had I knew I wasn't
under a bunch of stress, um,
just with work stuff, getting
out in the career, all that
stuff.
I was, you know, dating an
individual at the time.
It was kind of crazy and all
that stuff.
SPEAKER_04: Anyhow, but oh,
that's actually important.
We are gonna talk about that
later.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
It's it's it it is, it is, it is
important, but the number one
cause of disease crazy
relationship partners.
Yeah, totally so, but yeah, I I
really started to feel that it
wasn't just these other things
that I had been doing, you know,
I've been dealing with all that
stuff just fine.
It's like my resiliency was
doing good.
I was able to come back and deal
with stuff and bounce back, no
problem.
And then as soon as I got into
the the career of doing this
within a couple years, it was
like I crashed.
Like something, it was like what
tipped me over the edge.
You know, the cup is still full,
but now it's the body can't
adapt anymore.
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
SPEAKER_01: And and then I
started to realize like, like I
said, obviously, there's
something wrong.
So I um I actually had a nurse
practitioner ask me about that.
Like, what do you do for a
living?
I'm like, oh physical therapist.
She's like, hmm.
So I I wonder if you ever
thought about your taking on
emotion.
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
A nurse practitioner asked you
that.
Was she in the traditional scope
of of work or was she more she
was in traditional medicine, but
I think she was just intuitive.
SPEAKER_01: I think she at the
time she was able to pick up on
my energy and notice what was
going on.
So I think she, you know, just
brought it to my attention that
way.
And it's like I had never even
thought about that kind of stuff
because we hadn't had any
training in that kind of stuff.
So I just kind of delve into it
from there.
But, you know, stepping back a
little bit and kind of thinking
about this as a whole, um,
knowing what I started to learn
and understand, okay, well,
maybe there's some kind of
energetic change going on.
Obviously, we're we're all
energetic beings and we, you
know, we're working with our
hands, very cohesive with water
molecules and everything.
We're we're taking on this
stuff, right?
We can if we don't protect
ourselves.
But when I started to look back
though, just hindsight as a
child, super, super like
emotional.
Like, and when I started to to
realize where I was at now
versus way back then, how things
played out kind of in my life,
and I began to realize that and
had thought processes around it.
I wonder if I've been carrying
things for other people my
entire life, not just this
lifetime, but many lifetimes and
and the genetic component from
my own you know genealogy and
all that kind of stuff coming
through epigenetics and what
well answered nine, right?
Well I'm not on the Enneagram,
right?
SPEAKER_04: Are you a nine?
SPEAKER_01: I thought it was
more of a nine, but I'm actually
You're oh, that makes so much
sense.
SPEAKER_04: I was picking up a
five yesterday, and I was like,
are we sure you're a nine?
Because yeah, everything that
you said, I was like, I think
you're a a five, like, or you're
a nine with like living in their
five, but okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I originally I think I was a
nine where I was very people
pleasing and just the nobody,
the the day, all that kind of
stuff, right?
And um, but but yeah, when I
really get deep down into I'm a
definitely number five.
Um go away.
I don't want to be with you.
I want to retreat back here.
I just do my own thing.
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, I love
fives.
I'm a five when I'm in my good
space.
I'm a five.
Well, I'm a seven, but like when
I'm in my like high side, I'm a
five, so I get them, and I'm
like, people come in and they'll
say they're autistic.
I'm like, are you sure you're
not just a five?
Like that's nice thing.
That's they get called weird
things.
Like that's like yeah, totally
but um oh, that makes so much
sense.
Okay, I love it.
SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, so when
I when I start to think about
that kind of stuff, it's like,
oh my god, you know, I've been
really holding things all my
life, but so let's speed up to
where you know going into peak
ticketing and all that kind of
stuff and start to realize this,
and it's like the aspects of my
body were really shutting down
because it's like how how much
can we put into the glass?
It's going to get full at some
point, and because the body is
so adaptive, it's made to adapt
and it's it needs to be that
way, right?
Um, you know, it's all about
trying to keep homeostasis, keep
a center line the best that we
can.
Okay.
But if we start to look at it
from an energetic perspective,
and if we go down that road,
it's like when you get things
that are blocked in your system
and you don't have energetic
flow through your body for
whatever reason, right?
Whether it's yours, whether it's
somebody else's, it doesn't
matter.
Um, things just start to shut
down.
Like my body was literally
shutting down.
And it was it was a scary thing,
you know.
I was like, oh my god, I'm like,
here I am just getting into my
career, and I have effing
cancer.
It's like, what are you talking
about?
SPEAKER_00: Or something else.
SPEAKER_01: I didn't know what
it was, but yeah, it was really
scary.
And so, but the fact that they
couldn't find anything, which is
okay, good, I don't have that,
perfect.
Now what?
Yeah, but but this realization
of really delving delving into
it and diving into myself as a
quote unquote empath.
SPEAKER_04: The curse of the
empath, yes.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the curse of
the empath, but it's I had to
begin to learn about being
energetically responsible, is
what I like to say and how I
call it.
It's this responsibility to
self, number one, okay, and
responsibility to to others too,
as well, at the same time.
So you're I'm working on people,
I don't want to sit there and be
like giving them all anything
that I'm dealing with, right?
Energetically, yeah.
I don't want to be like, here, I
take all that.
No, that's not their job.
You're coming here to actually
help help for me to help you.
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
SPEAKER_01: So, and at the same
time, I don't want to take on
their stuff.
No, right, and and that's where
the energetic, the responsible
comes into play.
So um, but this this energetic
exchange is really important to
understand.
SPEAKER_04: Uh I think it's more
important in a conversation we
should be having now more than
ever, because I think that a lot
of skilled healthcare
practitioners get sick because
of this very reason that there's
a very large lack of
understanding about the exchange
of energy, taking on other
people's ick is kind of what I
call it.
Like I I work with people in
trauma all the time, and the
only reason I can hold space for
them on their journey is because
I cleanse it from my system and
I don't take it home with me
anymore.
But at the point, I was over a
hundred pounds over 130 pounds
overweight when I was doing this
work because uh you look
amazing, by the way.
Oh, thank you.
Thank you for helping me last
year because you definitely got
me through the the first three
to six months of on my journey.
I'm super close to the end goal
now.
So um, that's a thank you to
you.
unknown: Yeah, so you're very
welcome.
SPEAKER_01: Um let me say
something on that just real
quick that you were saying, but
taking on and then you know,
take it home, whatever.
But so in my experience, what I
would notice is that because I
was ambitious to me taking on
energy, is that the fatigue
thing?
So I could there'd be days that
I'd be like, oh yeah, I can see,
you know, three, four, five, six
people, whatever, no problem.
And other days I'm seeing two
and I'm exhausted.
Like, what okay, what happened?
Like, what's the difference
between that this other day and
this day?
So, this I think is a really big
like telltale sign of when
people are having energetic
exchange problems in a sense of
they're not being responsible
and they're taking it on and
it's beginning to build up.
So I hear this a lot from
colleagues of mine, especially
new practitioners that come in.
Um, that I've been, you know, I
have colleagues that are in
osteopathic school that I went
through to as well.
And and they're starting to
treat more.
And all of a sudden they're
like, oh my gosh, I only saw a
couple of people today.
I'm totally wiped out.
I'm like, oh, okay.
And I start talking about it.
And lo and behold, this is
what's happening for them.
They're taking on energy because
they're not, they're not
understanding their own
energetic first number one, and
what that really means, and how
to ground, how to clear, all
that kind of stuff, and and be
this just independent.
I like to say independent of
that and that other person.
It's like you are you, I am me,
and we are separate.
So we have this energetic
exchange, but we don't need to
mesh together, right?
That was yeah, dance around
bubbles, that's fine, but we
don't need to mesh and like take
your stuff, you take my no no,
that's not what we're gonna I'm
gonna play that game.
SPEAKER_04: Do you remember that
exercise we did at the five day?
And it was where we were playing
with energy and what it felt
like.
And I used to be a raging
codependent.
I'll just say I didn't even know
my energy field was like just
codependent.
And I think when you have
codependent strategies, like you
don't necessarily know how to do
that because it's you just
foreign to you.
And when we when we were in that
five day, we we have this
exercise where we put the
functional bubbles next to each
other, and it's like to train
you how to hold healthy energy
next to another human being
without taking theirs, but then
you practice and you play and
you have like one's the big
spoon and the other one's the
little spoon.
And um, it's such a great way of
learning that skill.
And um, I think we should do a
workshop on it, but um also like
I can you talk about that more
for people who don't understand
what that means?
Because I think that when you
and I talk about two functional
bubbles sitting next to each
other where I can like bump up
next to your energy, I can read
it, but I'm not getting it into
my field.
How does that feel for for you?
Like if you had to describe it,
I know this is a really hard
question because I don't know
that I know how to describe it,
but um, I do this exercise with
my clients so they understand
the difference.
Because I can always feel
someone who has an open energy
field.
And I'm always like, whoop, let
me put your functional bubble on
you first because I don't want
your field leaking out all over
the room.
And then I all like kind of give
them a functional bubble.
Um, so and then they'll be like,
Well, that's strange.
I feel really good.
What did you just do?
And I'm like, Oh, I just
contained your energy around
you.
And um I don't think that I
thought about it until you just
mentioned I forgot that I did
that.
But how do you do explain that
to someone?
And when is our workshop?
Because that's coming.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I think it's
really an amazing thing to
understand.
Okay, so um, for me, you know, I
I don't think I'm I'm quite
doing what you're doing there.
I think I probably should be a
good thing.
Um, I always protect myself, but
that's a good idea.
I never really thought about
just you know setting them up
for themselves.
But um, for me, what I really
feel, and everybody's different,
you know, everyone's had you
know, it depends on where their
energy is at, you know.
If it's all over the place, it's
like I feel them when they're in
the parking lot before they even
come like, oh boy, this is gonna
be a big one.
Um, so yeah, and it's it's just
this place, you know.
So if I think about my own
energetic field, my energetic
bubble, what do you want to call
it?
Okay.
So when I'm the client's in my
room, I really tap into that.
I'm just feeling I'm like up
against this, is kind of how I
do it.
I'm up against my own and I'm
sending out my own little
feelers into the into the room.
And I'm feeling it's kind of
there, where their space is,
okay, and what's going on with
it in general.
And for me, because I'm I tend
to be more um clairsentient as a
primary, so I think it's because
of the bodywork and all that
kind of stuff too, but um, so
and then not just clairsentient
empathic, but clairsentient like
feeling, like sensation-wise.
So I I'll pick up on both of
those pretty kind of primarily
first with people.
And it's like, okay, what what
is their view?
SPEAKER_04: Oh um, let's let's
yeah, go ahead.
Let's talk about our six
friends, the Claire's.
Um, clairsentient is that like
knowing, knowing like a feel a
felt sense um in your body.
A lot of body workers are
clairsentient because we feel
the other person's pain in our
body, and so we don't always
know that it's not ours.
It's really the way that our
body is communicating through an
intuitive channel what we're
picking up from the other
person.
Is that is that how you would
describe it?
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah,
definitely.
And there's there's aspects of
it like feeling pain in the body
is one thing, but then feeling
emotion.
Yeah, there's two different
aspects of it, you know.
So that's why I kind of teeter
in that whole realm, you know,
really quickly as a primary.
Um, yeah.
And the other clear is
cognizance, like you have a
knowing, you have it hearing,
you have a visual uh for
clairvoyance, um, those those
types.
So it's all the part of the
intuitive intuition, you know,
how the the information comes
into us.
Everybody has this ability.
Um, it's just got to figure out
what works the best for you and
all that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_04: So all of them
because they're all great tools.
SPEAKER_01: They're all great
tools and they bounce all
around.
So, but I think as a primary,
that's where I tend to resonate
from.
And then it goes, it kind of
goes from a a um sensing uh
sensing to a feeling to a
knowing is that that's the kind
of the blip for me, you know.
So um, but anyhow, but yeah,
it's so that's really what I
practice with with um with my
clients in general, is to
knowing and understanding that
it's like if I am here's my
bubble, and then I just kind of
merge up against them a little
bit, or just what does the room
feel like with them in it?
And then I get a little closer
to them, and so they're here's
their bubble, here's their
bubble, and I kind of come in a
little closer.
What does it feel like to be
next to them?
Okay, and then I'm still me, but
we can merge into them just
slightly, okay.
So we overlap the two circles,
okay, and then we start to still
be me and feel what it feels
like to be in their field, and
then you start picking up all
these different uh types of
information that that comes from
people, so but this is just a
way of knowing what's going on
for the individual.
But the thing is, is that when
we go into their field
completely, and then we I would
say lose ourselves completely,
and we stay there, yeah, and we
stay there, and then all of a
sudden we we pull all their
stuff with us, and it's like
that's not that's not what we
want to do.
And this is when it becomes a
problem when we're doing this
over and over and over and over
and over again, and we're not
clearing ourselves out, um, and
understanding that we that our
energy is getting blocked, so
it's like the tank is getting
fuller and fuller and fuller and
fuller and fuller, and the next
thing we know, there's we're
having crazy symptoms.
So body pain has been a huge
thing for myself um ever since I
was a kid.
SPEAKER_04: Because you need a
good massage therapist, Jason.
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
Everybody needs a good massage
therapist, exactly.
And you know, it was yes, I was
a very, you know, rambunctious
child, a very um high-end um,
you know, sports, sports, and
just you know, rough and tough
and tumble, always that kind of
stuff, you know.
SPEAKER_04: Oh, I thought you
were gonna say a high-end
terror.
SPEAKER_01: I was like, No, no,
you know, it's I loved, I love
BMX biking, I love snow skiing,
always sports, right?
But honestly, for me, I really
think it was a place of my
system was really trying to
feel.
So I may back up.
I, you know, not to get into
family dynamics too much, but I
think it is.
Yeah, it's a part of it, right?
So it's like my family, my mom
specifically, grew up in a
family was like you probably
heard the saying, it's like stop
crying, or I'll give you
something to cry about.
SPEAKER_04: So what year were
you born in, though?
SPEAKER_01: 71.
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's the Gen
X.
That's how we were raised.
SPEAKER_00: Totally, totally.
It's like, shut up and just
don't bother me.
Get back outside.
Exactly.
Go outside.
SPEAKER_04: I know, watch
general hospital, like so, yeah.
SPEAKER_01: You know, as a very
sensitive little boy, that was
that was tough.
It's like at times it was
accepted and other times it
wasn't.
So, what did I do with the times
that it wasn't accepted?
You stuff it, and it's like you
keep bottling it up, pushing it
down, pushing it down.
And then all of a sudden it's
like, why is my body hurting all
the time?
So, yes, I'm doing physical
things, but it's like the
physical tweaks and turns in my
body that may happen if I fall
down doing things, but then you
put the emotion and that
energetic walking on top of it,
and then all of a sudden, things
can't adapt anymore.
Yeah, and then you start having
pain.
Your nervous system starts
talking to you when you're so
far from your midline that it's
stressing it, so then it starts
firing off, and then you have
sort of all kinds of pain all
the time.
So I remember my stepdad always
giving me a hard time because I
had back pain all the time.
But as a kid, and he was like,
and I he's like, Oh, I can't run
that weed eater, you know,
because it's back pain.
And it's like, it's like, yeah,
it hurts.
It's like my back is jacked up,
you know.
SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01: It was all lumbar
support.
I'm gonna start thinking about
lumbar support, either support,
family support, emotional
support was not being happened,
happening for me.
You know, I had a uh a pops, my
dad, that was not around very
much, and as a father figure,
you know, they're there to you
know show you how much um worth
you have, so to speak.
Acknowledge you.
And so he wasn't really around.
Well, I had that aspect too.
All these different things,
right?
Going on.
So that is the journey, but
that's in its story, but you
know, it's making me who I am.
My my sensitivity is because of
all that, which I love now, but
I just know how to work with it
now.
So it's it's really what's
taking me into you know what I
do, and you know, coming back to
you know, going into PT and all
that kind of stuff and realizing
this is this is an issue, not
just for me, but for all
practitioners, and you know, it
needs to be addressed.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04: And I don't think we
talked about it.
I mean, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't get
talked about as much.
It's I think it's really
starting to be talked about
more.
Um, as I have talked to other
people in this industry that
have gone through after me, um,
you know, like maybe like five
to ten years after I graduated
from PD school.
And it seems that they were
starting to bring in more
things, absolutely, which which
was good.
So it's it's moving, but it's
slow, you know, it's just part
of the process and how it has to
happen and and what's considered
acceptable and as far as are we,
you know, doing therapy, like
talk therapy, whatever, you
know, and they didn't really
think that was it needed to be
like separate for whatever
reason, you know, and you know
it's so I love that you brought
that up because I got certified
in coaching because I knew it
shouldn't be separate anymore.
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I just
knew that because when I was
working on people, I might be
the only person they came to see
for help.
And I thought I can either get
really responsible and get
trained in trauma and coaching
and the things that will be able
to help me help them because I'm
not gonna stop someone in their
moment if I'm the only person
they're gonna see.
And they might have a a memory
about, you know, an assault or
something that's actually the
block of the pain.
I didn't want that to be like,
oh, here, maybe you should go
get some help.
I I was like, I want to have the
skills to be able to help them
in an ethical and integrous way.
Um so that, you know, if I was
the only person that they ever
came to for help, that that I
would be able to and equipped
with the right skill set to do
that.
Not from opinion, like I've
heard a lot of therapists give
their opinions about what they
should do, but from that like
high level of training and
trauma and understanding uh
intuition and the higher self
path and things, you know,
things such as that.
So that was I think that I I
don't know.
I think in anytime you're
working with a human body, you
should one kind of get that
extra training so that you
understand you know if you are
the only person that they see
that you have at least some
frame of helping them further.
Because we can do better in that
I think as a as a as a
healthcare culture.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah absolutely um
yeah it and it's you know where
it kind of took me into
obviously was doing my own work
um yeah and what we call SCR or
somatemotional release traumas.
Did you do Peter Levine's
training or no you didn't barely
I just did just went through
Baral Institute um and did some
of their classes at it's it's
what they kind of call it SER
but it's like cranial something
they call it cranial work.
But so there's a lot of it's not
like traditional osteopathic
cranial um work where you're you
know moving there is some bone
work you know that they do but
it's a lot of emotional so is
that like the bars not like
drinking bars but like is it
like bars where you're like
scanning the cranium for
energetic imprints of trauma on
the cranium okay I just saw a
class online it's gonna look at
but yeah no they're doing a lot
of they do a lot of mouthwork um
around this and they do I think
the first class they kind of
start off with just doing this
um it's like a 10-step protocol
is kind of where they do um
where they're just like moving
through the body and they
they're just basically working
like um transitional zones and
diaphragms and all that kind of
stuff just balancing the system
out um but then they start they
go into really work of
dialoguing with the body um
which was really amazing you
know to um when you're starting
to get certain things you're
getting intuitive hits maybe or
um you know whatever's going on
for the person where you're
working with them you start just
having a dialogue with the
individual a little bit so they
they really bring that in so
it's just this aspect of
starting to work in the
emotional realm with for people.
So the biggest thing though is
when I went through this is that
because it's class there's a lot
of people there they start doing
multi-hand work meaning multiple
practitioners on one person.
And it's so powerful because
your body can't escape it's like
it's like it's like it can't it
can it but it's really what
makes people pop if if that
makes sense and in the way of
like they they can't get around
you know because typically when
you're just one person on
another person that if you're
not a skilled really skilled
practitioner to to feel what's
happening in the body and it's
trying to get away from the
thing you're working on because
it doesn't feel safe or whatever
reason.
So it's um when you have
multiple hands on somebody like
literally if there's four four
people that's eight hands on one
body all at one time it's like
it can't escape.
So what happens is it brings up
the emotion of whatever is going
on to process it out.
So I was able to go through that
and really what actually came
out was fascinating for me
because it it was emotional but
it was primarily um physical
trauma at first that's what came
out at first was my physical
trauma because I had had so many
um physical accidents because I
was I was a water skier at you
know 10 11 12 but learning how
to barefoot water ski stepping
off a seat and flipping across
the water like multi-vehicle car
accidents how I liken that to
and at at 12 and it's like just
torque my body in so many
different directions right yeah
so and then falling on my head
many times just you know outride
my bike or whatever it's like so
many concussions are probably
undiagnosed all these different
things but what was coming out
was like my body was going
literally back through these
motions and like arching and
twisting and just all kinds of
stuff and it's like to the point
of where I felt like my body
can't go there but it wants to
go there but it's like feels
like it's gonna snap because
it's like so much motion but it
was just trying to go back
through these things so that it
could actually let it go and
release it.
And then after the process of
doing some of the physical stuff
then like more of the emotion
could come out it had to like
you know the body's different
it's very interesting that way
it's doesn't how we think one
thing is going to come out first
no that's not always the case
like oh wait that's the thing
that was there maybe first or
primary it should come out for
no it's gonna choose whatever
whatever feels safe enough to
let let go of that's what it's
gonna come out.
So for me being emotional in
front of other people was at
that time was not safe.
So it chose the physical thing.
Yeah this is how I view it.
Yeah yeah and so that what came
out but as I started to go
through this and really
understand like oh my gosh this
is this is what I've been
holding for like all my life you
know this this different aspect
of the trauma emotion okay the
energetic stuff and as soon as I
kind of went through that series
of classes my my body felt so
different my my mind was
different my just overall how I
look at things was different it
everything about myself my
mental aspect my energetic
aspect my my emotional aspect my
physical aspect everything
started changing and it that was
like okay I I'm a believer now
you know it's like once I had I
had to kind of go through it
myself you know to really feel
it but yeah then then that was
that's what kind of started it
all off you know it's like once
I I kind of was feeling it from
the beginning like there was a
problem doctors did their stuff
no problems they couldn't find
anything okay that's not that
but it's something else and then
I had this I'm like oh my gosh
now that's really actually
getting me to shift in different
ways that I've never been able
to shift before so what's going
on for now all my clients it's
like okay so how do I protect
myself not taking on uh the
energy so it just began to be um
a learning you know a learning
curve obviously you got to go
through you got to educate
yourself on it and understand
what it's all about but like you
I went through the coaching to
stuff too as well because I
realized that you know I need to
build to be coaching people and
it and they can't be separate
because if we're exchanging
energies while you're working on
somebody you're gonna you know
if if you're in tune with your
intuition you're gonna be
getting things they're coming
through that it's like that's
being housed whether it's in a
nerve an artery the vein an
organ tissue cranial whatever
it's gonna it's there because as
we know there's a lovely book
called Body Keeps a score.
You know it's just it has the
memory right so and it's been a
huge um revelation I would say
now there's a lot of in the
Baral Institute background they
have the um this is what they
would call cranial work okay
which is they do hands-on but
it's process work while they're
working in the tissue and stuff
like that yeah so that that is
one aspect but um you know I
didn't at first I didn't really
care for that as much you know
at the time and and that was
fine you know so because I think
it was more on the physical so
yeah I had to go my own route
through it and I think it's very
similar what I do now but on
another level even so yeah I'm
gonna bring in uh something else
here that in osteopathic care we
look at levels so when I say
levels I'm talking about stuff
I'm on a structure is it pure
pure structure that's the issue
is it fluid is it energetic or
is it there is an emotional on
that one piece.
SPEAKER_04: So you what level is
it the primary you know that we
have to deal with I think that's
important if we really want to
be exceptional practitioners
like to be able to connect in
and and get the information like
is this a spiritual thing is
this mental is it emotional like
and then if it's in the body
what's the root cause and what's
the one thing I can tell them
that they need to start
incorporating into their daily
lives so that they can start
making a a profound shift.
SPEAKER_01: So yeah absolutely
if we don't tackle it from that
point what we see you mean else
as practitioners you will see if
you pay attention that people
keep coming back with the same
complaint.
Yeah and it doesn't matter if
you do not address the primary
root cause of what's going on
they will keep coming back.
It may not be right away but
it'll come back and it'll be the
same loop system coming back
coming back coming back because
you haven't gotten to the point.
So if I've got a liver in my
hand and I'm like okay yeah
structurally it's a met it like
this position is all out of
crazy whack because they were in
a car accident.
Okay great that's fine.
However this thing doesn't have
any vitality because their
energetic system is clear over
there.
Because when they got hit from
this side they pushed everything
out.
So we got to address that piece
back in because it's it's one of
the things you got to get the
primary first.
So say like so how I how I
really work with people to
understand this is is going into
when I start to feel on
something like I'm testing all
these different levels.
Okay I'm going down just doing
structural assessment okay good
you have this this this other
complaints good okay um then
within that that primary area
that I find is structurally then
I say okay looking at that
that's great now let's let's
look at the energetic system
what's going on there and then I
say okay this is kind of the
prime area how does that
energetic system affect this
structural thing yeah is it you
know is this energetic thing
being dominant to the structure
or is the structure being
dominant to that so I use just a
simple inhibition testing you
know um basically it's like a
way of giving support to that
area of the body or that's level
to see what happens in the other
ones if I give support to the
energetic does the does the
structure shift does it allow it
to also start to change and come
and come back to neutrality or
or vice versa.
So I'm testing primary that way
and so there's that system then
there's the mental aspects of
what's going on for them and
there's an emotional fact and
emotional I'm testing all these
things to find like what's
really the dominating thing you
know that I can do the biggest
bang for the buck right now for
this individual okay what do
they need to know so this is
really where I come to educating
people on this they may not have
any idea about this kind of
stuff which is pretty much how
it is for most people that's why
they're coming they they think
they have this problem but they
but they really have this
problem.
They really have an ancestor
who's draining their energy like
yeah yeah exactly exactly and
you know it's it's it's very
common it's just how it is so
especially when it's an
energetic thing.
So I'm gonna give you just a
couple examples of some of my
clients if that's okay.
Yes yeah no this is great just
things I've experienced you know
and so so say like I've had many
people that all of a sudden
they've got their inner their
energetic bubble around them is
like say it's symmetrical it's
kind of like just normal about
three foot around no problem
right that's ideal.
Then all of a sudden and I'm
feeling it's like they've got
this piece that's like shifted
way out over to one side right
left back what doesn't matter
what it is and then you can
explain what that means to
someone who doesn't understand
energy because um I think that
that's an important thing to
know when your energy is shifted
outside of you.
SPEAKER_04: And um kind of like
why what that means like because
you can like you can use me as
an example because you helped
call all my energy back when we
worked so you could always use
me as a reference point from the
work that we did.
But like when you think about
when your energy is like I think
of the movie like Doctor Strange
when she pushes on him and is
like consciousness separates
from his body like and like you
can still blow out it's kind of
like that if you had to like
explain it to someone who has no
clue what we're talking about.
Because not everyone sees energy
the way that we do just because
they're not like trained in it
yet.
So what does that mean almost
like when their energy is
outside of them or like what
would that cause what would
cause that?
SPEAKER_01: Well let's step back
for a second just think about
heart being the battery of the
of the body right it's like the
energizing piece.
So it gives off the
electromagnetic field already
around us right that's science
that's a straight up fact.
So um just think about this
though that everything around
you has an energy if you think
about that standpoint.
So it's no different than your
heart is different than this.
It's the same same thing.
Okay.
So that thing's that phone's got
an energy that's why they tell
you don't put this thing more
than 30 inches next to you
because shit's gonna give you
cancer that's in the small print
yeah they don't put that on the
warning label no no no no no
that's in the small print right
at the bottom so but we have
this this energetic aspect of us
okay it's like the that that
battery that's running and and
keeps us cohesive so to speak
okay we have different what we
call chakra systems in the body
that are just areas of of energy
that gets housed in it.
Okay and those areas have
different roles so to speak as
far as intuition or using our
power or sexuality all that kind
of stuff.
But anyhow that's just our our
aspect of energy so when it
comes to being outside of the
way I see things a couple couple
of fold if somebody has been in
trauma like a physical trauma in
osteopathy be called a force in
print literally the force of
that thing that happens whether
you fall on the ground whether
you're in a car and you get hit
from the car and so that force
goes through you okay and it
will literally shift things your
body itself organs within your
body and that energetic field
that is ours okay can get
shifted that's just from a
physical trauma but it's say if
you have an emotional trauma an
aspect that you for whatever
reason or didn't feel safe and
it feels scary to be there it
will also move outside of your
body okay which you've
experienced that for yourself
I've experienced that for myself
um we have our personalities
okay we all have them when they
don't feel safe they just
literally disintegrate from our
the whole the they're not
copacetic and and getting along
with each other.
All the kids aren't playing nice
on the playground I call them
the itty bitty shitty committee
I love it I love it so they get
disintegrated so that energetic
part of you is outside of you
now and it feels safe out there
because inside it does not feel
safe anymore.
So it it's just an aspect of of
ourself that has like I was
coming back doesn't feel safe it
just moves outside.
So it's either safe is usually
why though yeah so it's outside
and and that could be for like I
said many different reasons.
It could be because A maybe
you're scared about moving
forward with something so maybe
that's showing up as it's over
here to the right okay maybe my
masculine drive I gotta go well
do something but I don't feel
comfortable doing it.
So and it's part that I really
need to move forward in for
multiple patients of mine for a
reason suddenly I become a a a
uh relationship coach lately.
SPEAKER_04: Oh my God because
that is the root of pain don't
let don't get me started on it
I'm gonna we're gonna do a
separate episode on it.
SPEAKER_00: They come in for all
this but it goes right down to
that point.
SPEAKER_04: It's always down to
like loneliness, biting
narcissistic abuse recovery I
mean it's always like the root
cause of most pain is
relationship trauma.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah yeah because we
want to be loved and seen by
everybody you know that's how it
is and somehow it doesn't come
in that way.
SPEAKER_04: It's our it's our
it's our natural human nature to
want to be loved and to love
someone in return and to find
partnership and build a life
with someone like that that's
that is our human nature.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah totally so yeah
it's been it's been interesting
to see people going through this
type of thing right now and
where their energy is getting
shifted.
You know to see it actually go
to an aspect that is feminine
posterior and behind which is it
tends to be more past related
stuff we start to tap into
things and they're like yeah I
I've got this issue and I I'm
not allowed to you know I feel
like I'm not allowed to speak my
truth around certain things
especially around men that I
have to kind of be subservient
like oh that's interesting
because I'm seeing this back to
like literally like 10
generations back this is what
happened for your generations.
So you've been carrying this all
this time through this you know
these lifetimes and and
generations but but it's also
happening to you now.
So but that's where it shows up
so then all of a sudden maybe
it's you know it's something on
the the masculine side of that
wanting to move forward.
So it's like all these different
things but but what happens is
that when I hone in on that and
then I feel the structural I
could have them standing and say
hey you you feel your body
having a hard time moving with
this you're like yeah yeah no
problem I totally feel that well
I say you know well I'm gonna
support this little piece over
here and I want you to tell me
what your body does.
And so I support it and all of a
sudden their body shifts and
allows them to start moving
again.
And they're like well what did
you just do?
I said I supported that piece of
you that you're not willing to
look at right now and that's
okay.
And it's this piece and they're
like how did you know that I'm
like because that's just you
know the energy so hard to
answer that question isn't it
sometimes it is you're like I
don't know you've got your
grandma's here and she told me
like it's just like Yeah I know
they're like what like I don't
and then I'm like oh how do I
explain this in science like
okay wait a minute like yeah
yeah absolutely and you know so
I had a client just the other
day and I met her in a spiritual
workshop and I was she's an
amazing gal but um she was just
having a lot of a lot of blocks
she had some physical things you
know she had a total knee
replacement and just the little
things you know in her body but
she's had having some
difficulties moving around this
stuff but I also knew and
understand that she's her son
passed away she's got a lot of
heaviness but as we went through
the thing her whole body it's
like she she really was
congested down like the whole
system was like if you could
take it and just like like
nothing was happening right in
the vitality wise just not
expressing itself like it needs
to express itself like a whole
what we call whole body you know
vitality just is like down gone.
Yeah and one of her complaints
was long time depression anxiety
um headaches like feels like
just compressed in her head all
the time and I started to really
like the physical was there but
then I was like what's going on
with the energetic stuff like
her whole upper chakra was
outside of her body seemed to be
like trying to shut down and I
started to work with her a
little bit this way and to
connect with that and then her
son showed up and then we
started talking he was talking
to me and I was just kind of
going talking to her about it
and how do you handle that when
someone's loved one they're
there for body work and
someone's loved one shows up
because that happens all the
time it's a touchy subject for
people that don't necessarily
get it andor might be afraid of
it.
So this individual was not so it
was perfect.
Yeah so just holding some space
on her crown like on her
forehead and then on her heart
she went through this whole
unwinding okay around this piece
around her son and and it was so
beautiful to watch her do that
and and for me I was just doing
my thing and just allowing
people you know my intuition to
you know lead the whole show and
as soon as it cleared we went
back and started checking
different things in the body and
it's like oh that's interesting
now it's like now you're showing
me some true structural things
that are actually stuck here.
I'm like okay cool released a
couple different things no
problem it came back in and
started balancing it with the
energetic system.
So she goes she calls me the
next day and she felt great
after it was it was good you
know she did really really well
yeah and and uh next day she
goes to Pilates and she told me
in the history taking that the
Pilates she's has trouble with
it like certain things your body
just doesn't do it won't do.
And she's trying to but it just
won't let her do it.
She goes to Pilates the next day
and doesn't say anything and the
instructor's like what happened
you're like this is the bot this
is the body I was waiting to
show up and I've been trying to
work with what and all of a
sudden she's able to do all
these different things and she
was so amazed because it's like
it was just so trapped down
inside that it couldn't allow
any kind of like how I call it
is like the body can't like let
go and stretch and do what it
needs to do because it's like
this.
It's like two weeks inside it's
like you know so yeah it's like
you have to get it to like relax
and you know a central nervous
system brain spinal cord have to
be able to just come out of
fight and flight they have to go
into the parent sympathetic
tone.
SPEAKER_04: She was just very
very high sympathetic tone you
know around this trauma you know
so I can't imagine because I
know losing the the thought of
even losing one of my children
is like I don't know how you
come back from it.
And also as a reluctant medium
not someone who ever thought I
would be considered a medium not
happy about it when it came in I
was pretty pissed um that it was
even something I had to deal
with I was like nobody's I
didn't sign up for this garbage.
I don't want to be talking to
dead people like I was like
whoopy Goldberg right when she
anyways that was my experience
mostly because the first time it
happened I was with a plane and
her husband came in but he like
came in and I was like no I
don't want to like what's
happening and I didn't know how
to put boundaries up with the
spirit plane.
Anyways um now when they come in
I'll be like you can sit in the
corner if I if I invite you to
give me information you can but
um only if uh invited otherwise
I'll kick you out uh so behave
anyways I think that um that it
can also be the root cause of
pain though if it's agreed um or
if it's also I mean I don't like
to say the word but kind of like
um like a like an energy that's
following you that doesn't
belong to you.
Unresolved trauma can follow you
like that energetically and
that's like where I do a lot of
clearing work with entities and
energy and things like that.
But that that can impact your
body's ability to heal and
transform.
So it's awesome.
SPEAKER_01: Yep yeah absolutely
it's uh it can be good energies
and and bad energies you know
it's they're out there so they
don't just they don't
discriminate from you.
SPEAKER_04: They do not so it's
just an aspect yeah we have to
weed through those things clear
them out best that we can and
begin to become energy
responsible again and know when
we might be holding something
and yeah I think because of a
lot of empaths they I hear them
online saying like oh I don't
have any control I'm an impact
I'm like you absolutely need to
learn to control that because
it's also going to be filtered
through your own experience of
life.
So what you might be picking up
might be wrong actually.
So you need to make sure that if
you are or identify as an empath
that you take responsibility for
that gift and that you learn how
to manage energy um otherwise
you will get sick and that's
that's on you.
It's your responsibility to make
sure that you take care of your
energy and um that's your
responsibility as as an empath
whether or not you want to or
not like you just have to
otherwise you you won't survive
you'll get sick.
Yeah being in control of your
own empath yeah yeah yeah
absolutely this was like the
best conversation I'm like I
already have 18 other um podcast
ideas generated in my head while
we were chatting I was like I'm
like a manifesting generator and
a seven so I would my like my
seven was like oh my god we need
to have a workshop on like how
to connect with the love of your
life like yeah there you go and
do intuitive readings for people
because we're so good at it.
Yeah it'll be fun it'll be fun
so oh it would be fun and it's a
good way to get out of the um
the the more like oh the
academia of what we do it's it's
uh it is actually kind of fun
when you get to spend time just
living in that like um energy of
you know calling people
soulmates and stuff anyways I
will talk to you about that
another time because but I
appreciate too that you are that
you are somebody so committed to
excellence in everything that
you do because I think that the
world needs more physical
therapists, coaches and and
practitioners of all sorts
because I just kind of all put
us in the the world of healing
and coaching.
And that that you are so
committed to that path of
knowledge and excellence.
And I've just seen it over the
years since I've known you too
um always expanding your
knowledge and and in the kind of
like I'll always say in the army
of light like and that's how I
kind of call practitioners is
the army of light.
At least that's how my guides
always say it.
It's like oh there's this army
of light that is like here to
help elevate people um in their
lives and you know to bring them
and return them back to love.
And I know that you're part of
that like warrior that warrior
uh energy of returning people to
to love basically because when
you're in flow with your higher
self that's love and not fear.
So um I just appreciate your
friendship and also your
commitment to helping people
because it feels nice when I
send the client down to you like
down in the Sacramento area and
I'll be like oh no he's down
he's down there he's but he does
what I do but like probably
better and like go see him down
there.
And um when that same client
like came up and saw me she was
like you guys work so similar
it's so nice to have that
congruency and care um between
college and home anyway.
So um did she come back?
Yeah yeah no I've been treating
her since she got home yeah
awesome so and it was so nice
she was like oh you talk just
like him like you guys say the
same things I'm like oh yeah
that's good yeah because that's
good saying the right thing so
like but um so it was like also
very nice to have that like uh
yeah that consistency between
messaging and and knowing that
that's coming from that higher
plane not ego not what we think
it should be but having to
translate it from source and
then how do you say it to this
person and get them where they
need to go and I think that's
the the biggest challenge being
in this work.
SPEAKER_01: But um you know I
just I just want to end with one
thing and I think does it it
doesn't matter what kind of
practitioner you are when you
really come from a hard space
and you really decide that
you're doing work for the
greatest good of this
individual.
And when you come from that
place and you understand that
you need to find the the real
core of what's going on at the
root of the issue um and that
the person that's sitting in
front of you is
multidimensional.
Once we can tap into that and
start to understand that then
people are going to shift beyond
it doesn't matter what you're
doing.
Okay.
When it's a pureness of love and
light and you have the the
individual um doing things for
the greatest good of for that
person think it doesn't matter
you you could not literally not
know anything what you're doing
and just let things flow through
you and it's going to happen.
You know um I think it's really
important to come from that
place.
And just try our best to because
we you know as human nature we
can be egoic but step out of the
way and let your higher self
work through through you know is
the biggest thing and let it
just fly because it's the the
more I do that the more I just
step out of the way and just let
whatever has got to come in come
in for this person.
SPEAKER_04: It has nothing to do
with me not about me bothering
right yeah so that's the nicest
part of it though isn't it it's
not about you.
You're and I hear that all of
the time it's like it's it's not
about you you are the conduit
with which healing flows and
it's not coming from you it's
just passing through you and
you're just the you're the
vessel the person who did the
knowledge the education or
whatever and you're the one
who's holding space for like I
call it kind of Christ conscious
healing to come through me not
from me and I and I think that
was how I learned not to get
sick from healing people was
because I no longer thought the
energy had to come from me.
I simply let it pass through me.
And that to me was the first
step in not getting
energetically drained and not
getting sick doing the type of
work that we do.
And I've seen a lot of
practitioners where their energy
it's coming from them and it's
draining them and making them
sick.
And it's like if you could just
connect into the light above
your head there's like a light
300 feet above your head like
your superconscious light and
you just let that light flow
through you and not from you.
And uh I have a lot of stuff on
like YouTube and stuff that I
that I share with people to
teach them how to do that.
But I think that that would be
number one is just don't make it
your energy let it just let it
flow.
Yeah let it go and let it flow.
I love that oh I'm so grateful
for you.
I'm gonna post some contact
information for Jason um and I
am going to help him build a new
website so people can find him
online.
And um thank you so much for
being you yeah look forward to
our next little shindig where we
oh I have like 18 like I said I
already wrote them all out in
the field they're gonna be
coming in later so I'll probably
telepathically you already got
the download or evil in your
sleep tonight you'll you'll see
my face and I'll be like so I
have a clipboard and I've got
all of our episodes outlined at
least gosh yeah let that number
seven wear off of me a little
bit you have a direct line to
it.
I know I do totally all right
I'm super grateful for you and
thank you.
SPEAKER_01: And do you have any
parting words of wisdom or
anything for our I would say
well I would say that if from
listening to this if people
don't still kind of understand
they want to know more about
energy words go go do it because
it's an aspect of who we are go
learn some stuff and begin to
understand um what it's about
and being able to shift things
because we easily can shift
stuff you know um do the own
work on ourselves and don't
necessarily have to go to
somebody else but you can get
some training in it and all that
kind of stuff.
But um but yeah we we are able
and capable to do it ourselves.
SPEAKER_04: So absolutely just
do it thank you and um I'm gonna
uh um thanks Jason again and I
like I said I'll post some of
his contact information if
you're interested in working
with him.
Take care.
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