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In this powerful conversation, Sasha Stone and a guest speaker break down the concept of spiritual warfare in modern times—revealing why the real fight is happening within. From self-sovereignty and inner work to the illusion of external conflict, this episode challenges everything you think you know about reality.

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Chapters
  • (00:12) - - Spiritual warfare and self-safeguarding
  • (03:20) - - Stillness through truth and action
  • (06:48) - - Christ consciousness and inner power
  • (09:53) - - Epstein, off-world agendas, Khazarian mafia
  • (13:50) - - Deep state, satanic rituals, and remedy
  • (15:11) - - Truth seekers targeted by deep state
  • (16:09) - - Ownership of existence and divine spirit
  • (16:40) - - Humanity awakening to galactic intelligences
  • (20:06) - - Return to self in pure truth
  • (26:18) - - Escaping entropy through crystal spiral dynamics

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Michael Scalar
Host of the Everything's Energy Show by Energy Enhancement System
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Sacha Stone
Former rock musician and artist Sacha Stone grew up in Rhodesia-Zimbabwe throughout the war for independence. He established Humanitad in 1999 and has worked across both the NGO and IGO sectors as an outspoken advocate of human rights and natural justice. He has instigated peace initiatives and education programs, lobbied against human-rights abuses in different parts of the globe and continues to prosecute for the protection of vanguard innovators, scientists and doctors.

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Connecting ancient wisdom with cutting-edge technology. Conversations with industry experts where we explore how scalar energy fields and consciousness expansion can unlock human potential through practical applications and real-world insights.

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The Energy Enhancement System™ (EESystem™) and the content provided on EE.Show (audio, transcripts, guest comments) are not medical advice. EESystem is not designed to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any illness or medical condition. The information presented is for educational and wellness purposes only. If you have or suspect any medical condition, please consult a qualified healthcare professional.

Sacha:

How do we define the true art of war in the middle of that chaos? It comes down to pure truth and right action in the living moment, activates the armor of God, and you can walk as Daniel through the lion's den. But you must conduct right action, and if that means not filling out forms and battling with technocracy and taking on the devil through judicial commissions and inquiry and all the other goodly work that we've done, your mom's been very much involved in that. That's where the armor of God actually really matters.

Michael Scalar:

You're tuned in to the Everything's Energy Show. I'm Michael Scalar, and today I am live from the Conscious Life Expo twenty twenty six with an absolute legend. So stay seated, lock everything in, turn the volume up. I have Sacha Stone Sacha. So I wanted to have a conversation with you about navigating modern time spiritual warfare.

Michael Scalar:

Tools that we can use to both identify when you're at effect and tools you can do to safeguard yourself, whether that's simply walking away. In martial arts, they say the best, attack is the seven minute mile. One way or another though, I feel like we get dragged into a spiritual warfare whether we we can run or we can't. What are your thoughts on that topic?

Sacha:

I would agree it is a spiritual war or battle, but the thing that I've come to learn in my middling age is that it is not so much a war with anything outside there. It's always, in a sense, a war with the unresolved aspects of self. And I know enough about the quantum realm and about the hyperdimensional physics, so to speak, to know that this is can be proven out forensically. We manufacture the gods that devour us. We manufacture the wars, the systemic poisoning of the planet or the planet that that we're on, the existence that we're on.

Sacha:

We are the ones who are invoking and conjuring into the field all there is. So if we are serious about the business of of battle and of war and of remedy and of seeking resolution, then we really have to find that resolution within ourselves and know that we are the progenitors of whatever manifests out there. So that's what what I've arrived at, and I know because I've been, as you know, Michael, I've been on that front line

Michael Scalar:

for I know. A long time. You brought my mom into the IT and J, which I think was brilliant. Yeah. Literally addressing some of the the cabal actions that they try to hide, but never make it into mainstream news.

Michael Scalar:

So you actually brought it to forefront. That's right. So I applaud you for that.

Sacha:

Thank you.

Michael Scalar:

It's a huge action. But you're you're right. A lot of the times, we have to start within on everything that we do. Whether we wanna be in love with someone, we have to start within love ourself to love another. So you're you're saying really that we we should we remove ourselves from these wars?

Sacha:

So that's a great question. It's not so much about it's rather like the question of, you know, should we escape the matrix? There is no escape from the matrix other than a perfect collapsing into the nesting, into the fractal geometry of the living moment. So finding the still point in the living moment is the only exit strategy from the matrix. You can't find the escape out there.

Sacha:

That's part of the great dialectic, the illusion of the paradox. It can't be out there. In the same way that one cannot attain a state of bodhisattva, of enlightenment after death, if

Michael Scalar:

you follow the light at the end of

Sacha:

the tunnel back into another reincarnation cycle. You have to allow yourself to collapse into the void, so to speak, into the still point, and then only have a question, a perennial question, which is how do I want to play in this universe? How do I want to dance? How do I want to enact, embody, and manifest patterns of perfection in this realm or in any realm for that matter? That becomes the alchemy of the living witness, the testament of the I am.

Michael Scalar:

I agree. Those are really profound statements. You know, find the stillness within you. It's it's I don't wanna say you ignore the war around you, but it's really from we have a short life on this planet, and the more stillness, the more love, the more harmony we can find in ourself. That does hundredth monkey out and spread to the people around you.

Michael Scalar:

Yes. Back to the topic though, we're all out of fact from everything around us, and I agree. I try to find my stillness every day, and that's part of the reason why I don't really leave my house

Sacha:

because the moment that you

Michael Scalar:

go out into the public, someone's trying to propagate something at you. What are some of the tools that you use to find stillness? Let's start there.

Sacha:

Pure truth and right action in the living moment, whatever that moment may be. Mhmm. And you could be in the middle of a chaos storm. Mhmm. You could be in the middle of a a war zone.

Sacha:

I grew up

Michael Scalar:

in a war zone, in a

Sacha:

war in Africa. You know, it doesn't really matter what explicitly or externally the conditions are. Pure truth and right action. The pure truth bit is really important. That's purely objective, universal truth that exists outside of the egoic idea of truth.

Sacha:

A Buddhist believes that their way is the way. A fundamentalist Muslim could be a very good human believe that that's the way and that's the path. And that's the problem. When we subscribe to any third party intervention outside of ourselves, we abnegate our divine conscience, and we ab abdicate our throne of sovereign expression, and we we then take the knee and render coin unto Caesar. And then we begin to believe in the out there, and call it Yahweh, or call it whatever, start to worship it idolatry, false light adulation, false light worship.

Sacha:

And the most of humanity have been, to be sure, possibly 99.999%, have been in endless cycles of rebirth and reincarnation, connected to that same phenomenon of of looking at something outside of actualized self as being the path. No, the path can only ultimately be an immanent one. And the immanent path requires a return to innocence, which is to wake up uncontaminated and see the world through the eyes of a child, which is to say, to bear witness in this world but not to judge. That's difficult, but that is also art of war in the highest expression, is to to see absolutely what self exists, self reveals, and self fulfills without judging it, and without trying to manipulate or engineer it. The I am is a state of grace, which is the the ultimate state of war with false light, with the matrix, is to be in that state of imminent grace.

Sacha:

Because only in that state can your ideas be made manifest, and you can anchor patterns of perfection into this world, including, up to and including ending war and come back like that, and conflict like that. But haven't we all seen that? How in relationships we can go for years, even decades, believing in a grievance against someone, and then you meet them, and you can break that grievance in a quantum instant, be completely rekindled and reconnected. So that moment of absolution of forgiveness is the moment of transcendence and transmutation. And if we all and but that's where the of pure truth exists, because pure truth insists on remedy.

Sacha:

It insists it insists on the path of least resistance to the highest outcome in which there is never any battle outside of self. But I understand that that's a kind of philosophical perspective, but it's actually the mechanics of reality as well. And that's the bit that we're going to have to get to grips with as a civilization right now, is that each of us have the power. Once we relinquish the notion that government or religiosity or any force outside the self is here for for to redeem us or to or for salvation. No.

Sacha:

Categorically not. The second coming is about the return of the imminent christic and sophic wisdom within each of us in the living moment. And then we can go forth and prosper. I'm certainly doing that.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. No. Absolutely. I mean, the 10 commandments, beware false idols, it seems we're surrounded more by false idols every single day with Correct. People trying to propagate any narrative and every narrative and paying for that narrative.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. And and Christ actually said anything I can do, you can do better. Yes. So we we actually really do need to embody that Christ consciousness where we are the second coming of Christ, not a guru or a false prophet, but each individual person.

Sacha:

Exactly right. And it it is so it couldn't be simpler. But again, we talk about, you know, externalizing ideas and totems, crucifixes and mandalas and mantras and Money. And all of that. Well, it is all, essentially.

Sacha:

It's the same thing as a totem outside of self. But true living cross, the one that each of us should bear as the living cross, again, is the flame of pure truth and right action in the living moment. And that convenes everything into here and now. And I'm able to absolve and remedy any situation, psycho emotionally, psycho spiritually, psycho intellectually. I can literally absolve any gargantuan, labyrinthine, Gordian knot.

Sacha:

I can let it let it go. And that's power. True power. So let's give listeners takeaway because I'd

Michael Scalar:

love to give them the the some of the tools. What you just said is so profound. How do we actually how does an average person get to that point where they can take absolute garbage and churn it into poof as you, to speak? I mean,

Sacha:

if you're if you're if you're a Christian, then be a good Christian.

Michael Scalar:

Mhmm.

Sacha:

And and and understand that, again, see the world through the eyes of a child as a return to innocence. And a return to innocence is a return to immanence, which is the activation of that inner flame. You know, at practical level, one has to also understand that the business of rendering coin to Caesar is about how you register your babies at birth, and how you register your tractor and your farm animals to the state or to the crown. So that's a sacrifice of innocence. That's Canaanite ritualism totemistically, and we do it all the time.

Sacha:

So billions of times a day, the the false light transactions that humans are caught up in are literally abdicating the the divine kingdom and and rendering it unto Cronus, the crown, the the titan that devours its own young. Surprise, surprise that that cascades down into Epstein files in 2026, where endemic ritual satanic abuse and pedophilia have been the cornerstone of our psycho civilizational wheel. That's why it's all coming to pass right now. That's called revelation. That's the grace of God.

Sacha:

That is emanence, the return of emanence.

Michael Scalar:

Do you think we'll bring it home to the kind of current topic of Epstein. What do you think is gonna happen with that?

Sacha:

Well, I think that the the I'd be more interested to know about the redacted files. Absolutely. Two and a half million files that are not being released. And one imagines that in that, we've got a direct line to, you know, we go back to Enkin and Lil, Cain and Abel, we go back to off world agendas and the most malevolent non terrestrial intelligences that have hitherto been driving the temporal, certainly temporal political and financial narrative has been orchestrated. Essentially, a creature from Jekyll Island, you know, my beloved friend, G.

Sacha:

Edward Griffin, who's making a surprise appearance on the screen in an hour or so, I mean, in my talk, He outed that a long time ago. But the Khazarian mafia that are controlling the entirety of planetary wealth and transactions through global banking, And global banking is global government. So every government or should I say privately owned corporation masquerading as a government out there are the the asset base and the collateral behind the globalist agenda. So the Central Bank of Rwanda, the Central Bank of Botswana, the Central Bank of Ecuador, Central Bank of, you know, US Treasury, they are all the asset base. And what is the collateral that those central banks are holding?

Sacha:

The very papers that offer up when you register your tractor or your baby, those become the registrations of land and the titling. All of that stuff is securitized. The securitization and collateralization of human will, human time and motion, our life force, good humans, that's called sacrificial harvest of humanity. So at a monetary level, every time we pay taxes or fill out a form with block black capital letters, we are paying into the kingdom of the devil. We are performing Saturnian ritualistic magic, and it's dressed up as normalcy.

Sacha:

That's what's terrifying about it. But that's why we have a war economy, a blood economy. That's what allows a Khazarian mafiosi to emerge and a Sabbatean Babylonian priesthood to emerge in recent centuries, and to take complete thrall over humanity and control not just the transactions and the monetary flow, but the hyperdimensional surveillance that comes from extraterrestrials keyed into the Sabbatian basement, the Vatican, the Pentagon, and and the NSA, and then the MOSAD, and the CIA, and and so on and so forth, m I five, m I six. All of these, all of this satanic apparatus is directly connected through Vaticanus into the hyperdimensional realms. So when you have and that's what put it this way.

Sacha:

2018, I was financing and conducting the judicial commission of inquiry in Westminster, London into pedophilia and ritual, sacrificial, you know, abuse and all the rest of it. We'd outed that stuff. Robert David Steele and and and my crew, we outed all of that stuff, including Pizzagate and the Epstein files at that time. That was eight years ago. Almost nine

Michael Scalar:

years ago. Doesn't seem like that long ago,

Sacha:

but it was was a long time ago. But now, I'm saying, my function has always been to see around the corner, at least seven years. And I'm saying now, that with the release this week of The X Files, that is Trump's latest

Michael Scalar:

Trump's latest distraction.

Sacha:

Throw the dog a bone, which is great, terrific, But that that, in tandem with what is redacted and hidden in the sequestered Epstein files, is connected, I guarantee you, to off world intelligences, and majestic 12, and so on and so forth. And how, since the inception of this particular evil, which was connected to Oppenheimer and Einstein, triggering the splitting of the atom, atomic bombs going off

Michael Scalar:

Signal into space.

Sacha:

Well, it it has a hyperdimensional flare that was set out. And that was a permission being granted to very, very low frequency neighbors in the galactic plane to now come into the temporal realm and seriously fuck with us, which they did. Yeah. And so the modern deep state and satanic Canaanite ritualistic civilizational basement that's being earth unearthed through the Epstein files is a testament to that travesty and that calamity. So we have to remedy that.

Sacha:

We have to heal that time loop civilizationally. So how do we do it in a in a world which is an orchestra of chaos? Cause right now, it's moving from chaos, exponential chaos, to exponential chaos. And the yeah. Question And I think the question you're asking very nobly is, how do we define the true art of war in the middle of that chaos?

Sacha:

And again, I will say it comes down to pure truth and right action in the living moment, activates the armor of God, and you can walk as Daniel through the lion's den with the armor of God. But you must conduct right action. And if that means, you know, not filling out forms and battling with technocracy and taking on the devil through judicial commissions of inquiry and all the other goodly work that we've done, your mom's been very much involved in that, that's that's where the armor of God actually really matters. But I'll tell you this much. You drop that armor of God for one instant, you'll catch a bullet.

Michael Scalar:

It seems like that these days. They're just kind of gunning for anyone that, like you or my mother, The the truth seekers out there, they're trying to way find ways to infiltrate the the communities. They'll talk ill of you. They'll spread lies. Yeah.

Michael Scalar:

This deep stake of all tactics of don't look at them. They're bad people kind of thing. It's it's constantly like that. Unfortunately. We we've all gone through it and that's really the thing too is is not cowering to the propaganda.

Michael Scalar:

Just stand in your truth as you say. Yes. Because at the at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what lies someone says about you. No. It matters what people believe.

Sacha:

Well, it matters to them what they believe, it certainly doesn't matter to me. I mean, I would also argue, and I get into kind of some psycho intellectual gymnastics here, and I appreciate that not everyone agrees with this. But I do believe we're also moving into an age that needs to evolve beyond belief, beyond hope, and beyond faith, and beyond trust. So that

Michael Scalar:

What does that look like?

Sacha:

It looks like pure ownership of one's own existence. It looks like it looks like fully infusing oneself with the spirit of the divine and and no longer seeking counsel or permission outside of self. And if we all did that all at the same time, that would, by definition, be the morphogenetic shift point that would take humanity in a quantum flash into the spiral of ascension. And we're on that precipice in any event. All the work that we're variously doing in biomedical, you know, vanguard research and disclosure and truthing and, you know, all of this stuff, we're all peering through the veil, the Hermes veil.

Sacha:

We're all seeking to breach that veil that has sequestered us from divinity, you know, all connected to the fall from grace and and and the trial of separation, which describes the human condition. But the fact of the matter is that that's not going, that alchemy will not be brought to bear through a priesthood outside of self. It must be a reckoning with the relationship that you have with self. Each of us have to so what it looks like is a return to true relationship with self, which is the I am, which is I chose to steer myself, my aspect of soul into this temporal realm at this time. And I chose to do so for a very good reason.

Sacha:

So I have a fated line, but I don't need to conform to the fated line. The fated line is always it's kind of set for you. The car crash at the age of 72, you know, or whatever is going to, you know, kill you. That is a fated line. But we have divine will and the capacity in this temporal realm to elevate that so called timeline out of the fated line into a destined one that we of our choosing.

Sacha:

This is the new elixir. This is what humanity will be waking up to in the next few short years, once we rekindle convention with the galactic intelligences. And I'm talking about the benevolent aspects of our cosmogenesis, because that's visiting us now. And the files that have been redacted and sequestered in the Epstein files connected to the MOSAT and to CIA Pentagon going back to Majestic 12 and all of that stuff, all of that stuff is going to be released also to the light. Again, by through the grace of God and revelation.

Sacha:

This is the time, because it's the end of time. Time being TikTok, scarcity economics, scarcity ecology, believing that we're running out of life force, running out of food, running out of oil, running out of oxygen. That was a program interposed by Cronus, the titan that devours its own young. Again, Yahweh, false gods, that we manufactured through abnegating our sovereignty over millions and millions of years in cycles. That's ending now.

Sacha:

So we're now on the precipice of an upshift, a monumental epochal upshift that will see us not only return to innocence and imminence, but also into I would loosely refer to the immortal existence, because foundationally the human biology, as your mother will attest, is designed to live for a thousand years and beyond. And ultimately, if we want to move beyond this plane of existence, we should be activating Merkaba, which is a well known hyperdimensional technological capability that we have encoded into the mRNA and the DNA of the human being, the actualized human being, the Christed human being, the Sophic human being is the one that awakens within the dream and remembers the imminent divine template that self exists, self reveals, and self fulfills behind every action, every word that that that we undertake. So it is all ultimately not a return to self in the Luciferian sense of, you know, my my way or the highway. A return to self is an explicit and implicit understanding that thy will be done is my will be done if I'm standing in pure truth. And write out.

Michael Scalar:

You're an absolute freaking wordsmith, my friend. I absolutely love the way you talk.

Sacha:

I hope some of it makes sense.

Michael Scalar:

No. I mean, I follow it completely. I agree. I hope everyone in the chats leave a comment for how eloquent this gentleman is and how well spoken, how educated. I've never really met many people that have such a way of saying things, but conveying such a strong message.

Michael Scalar:

So I really, really applaud you with that. I think we're running up on time here. We got about four minutes. So I want you you said something really really intriguing and I think this is fun to dive into. You kind of said we're on a we're born with a trajectory of dying at 72, which I found fascinating.

Michael Scalar:

But then you shifted it and said, but if you choose to, you can change your destiny. Yes. Can you elaborate?

Sacha:

Yes. Well, again, this is the anchoring of the hyperdimensional physics to the temporal plane. As we move now into the end of time, an era that was contained by the matrix of time, we're literally breaking that up. Whether you know it or not, billions of souls on earth in their woken state and sleep state are actually dismantling and breaking up the fiction of time of Cronus. And so we will find that between the year I'm talking about the calendric year, February and 2046, really that passage in the next seven years, it'll really key off in a way that every human being on earth will understand their imminent nature, that we are the galactic hybrid.

Sacha:

Number one, understanding that the Alpha Centaurus and the Andromedon and Acturian and Pleiadian and Sirion and Orion and all these different elements that make up the human genome, we are the galactic genome. We are incredibly special. We have been told, and to a great extent, mind fucked into believing that we are a filthy, dirty, little scavenger race that defiles the planet and that deserves to be sequestered into inner city complexes and smart cities and controlled by a technology called government. But that's a modern phenomenon. Actually, we come from a great golden age.

Sacha:

Go back to the Mahabharata, go back to the mystical traditions of any of the monotheistic faiths, have become completely defiled in the modern context. And you will see that where we come from, absolute greatness. But apparently, we chose at the collective level to fall into a great sleep. Certainly, that was a thirteen thousand year cycle from the great deluge of the Noetic era of Noah, thirteen thousand years ago. That was a semi arc underpass of the grand procession of the equinox.

Sacha:

That's all it was. It was a galactic sleep semi ark. And now we've broken through the ecliptic of that circle into the galactic day now. We've broken through to the age of Aquarius from the Piscean age, and with it comes the remembrance of what we left behind when we took took the descent. So to those of us who are operating on frequency x and above, heart and psionic frequency above, we will be now remembering our immanence because it's encoded in the photonic band of light that we're literally traversing at the galactic level.

Sacha:

Our solar system, our planet is swinging through the the this photon band at this time. That's what the dawn of Aquarius is all about. But it's a hyperdimensional physics reality. So that new physics is anchoring into this plane. If you and I are in a state of imminent knowing and being, when our knowing and our being become the same quanta, we are literally in a state of grace or serendipity.

Sacha:

And that means that we will become increasingly exponentially infused with this new so called light coding, and I don't like that language. But that's actually exactly what it is. It's a new light coding.

Michael Scalar:

It's it's hard to describe things that are multi dimensional. Yeah. So sometimes we have to use small words like God instead of the

Sacha:

coming? How how about the second coming?

Michael Scalar:

The second coming of humanity. Yes. Yes.

Sacha:

Yeah. Which is the emergence of the Christ, the opening of the Christ Christ at heart in all of us.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah.

Sacha:

Well, I say all of us. Those who have chosen to take a left fork in the road and have been led purely by addictions and appetites into entropy, well, they'll end up as space dust and inhabit some other plane of existence on a lower frequency bandwidth, and that's fine. There's no judgment there. But the point is that Tara, Earth, this plane of existence, has declared absolutely time out, literally time out. Time is gone.

Sacha:

It doesn't exist any longer. It we're only living in the echo of the shadow of time. Now, it ceased to be on the 12/20/2020, which corresponded with the year of lockdown, incidentally. If anyone understands anything about the long count Sultan, the 2012 phenomenon, about time wave zero, Ted Terrence McKenna, all and of ancient prophecy, it all cascaded down to 12/20/2020. And that was a shift point.

Sacha:

Time technically ended then, as we understand it. But again, we're still living at the at the level of the gestalt. We're still living in this in the in the in the of it's kind of like a shock wave, an inverse shock wave. So time still exists for some people, but as you and you and you and I start to awaken to the fact that wishing each other happy birthday, happy anniversary is a ritual satanic rite. We're literally repeating the idea of entropy in our in our blood.

Sacha:

So every time we calculate years on a Gregorian satanic calendar, and look at the clock and see it ticking, and oh my god, we're running out of time. I'm one year old, I'm one closer to the grave. If we believe that sufficiently at the collective level, that becomes the manifest reality. That is quantum science, and we understand enough about quantum mathematics apparently to realize that we should move beyond programming death into our DNA by celebrating fucking birthdays.

Michael Scalar:

That's fascinating what you just said because there's a scarcity event that occurs. Money Yes. Air as you were saying. And you just circled right into something that I've never heard of Annoying Brain, but it's fascinating. When we're on TikTok, we're running out of time.

Sacha:

You almost are programming death into a DNA. Time. Correct. It's fascinating. Yes.

Sacha:

Yeah. And when enough of us recognize that foundational flaw in the gestalt and we surrender ourselves in going to zero point time, again, still point.

Michael Scalar:

Time is now.

Sacha:

Yes. Time must be an imminent now. And when enough of us are doing that at the same time, that same time of timelessness, then we activate the recursion of the wheel. It'll move in the other direction, which is a return to imminence and to immortality. Because that's codified into Nature, as we understand nature today, is caught up in Fibonacci ratios and golden mean principles.

Sacha:

Mathematically, entropy is designed, is programmed into that. There is an escape from that, crystal spiral dynamics. There's a new mathematics that's emerging beyond golden ratio and phi and Planck constant and all the rest of it.

Michael Scalar:

Okay. It'll be enlighten enlighten me and the crowd on that. I know we we're running out of time. Let's you got two minutes.

Sacha:

To move beyond time is to move beyond mathematics and collapse all Mathematics is an empirical language which issues out of the cry into the void to try to self reflect and make sense of the reflection of self. That's how mathematics emerged Mhmm. In in in in the void, so to speak. So this plane of existence is predicated on mathematics, but it's got entropy built into it. Trust me, I've just come I spent most of last year in Africa, and I I traveled across the continent three times in the last year on road and in the bush.

Sacha:

If you see a wild animal eating another wild animal's face off whilst it's alive, It's terrifying. What nature does to nature is absolutely horrifying. Horrifying. Cycle of life. It's well, that's what we say, so we just put a moniker on it and we walk away.

Sacha:

No. It's an abomination. Any sufferance is an abomination. Any death that occurs without will, divine will choosing to die is an abomination. Well, politely argue, say that the lion starving Mhmm.

Michael Scalar:

Running through the Sahara will die in the next day if it doesn't eat the rabbit that finds or the deer it finds, the gazelle, I guess

Sacha:

lies down with the lamb. Go back to that. Mhmm. Go ahead. That's the age that we're moving into.

Sacha:

Okay.

Michael Scalar:

Oh, amazing. Well, Sacha, I love you, man.