Ex-Music Industry Insider On the Mutilation of Our Children — Landon Starbuck Interview

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Seth Holehouse: 00:02

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So today, I'll be speaking with Landon Starbuck, who's the founder of Freedom Forever, a nonprofit that is fighting back against the war on our children. Before we get started, make sure you're following me on social media at man in America. And also, every show that I do is also a podcast.

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Seth Holehouse: 00:39

It's an honor to have you here, and I've been following your work. And I especially loved the speech you gave with The Daily Wire and Matt Walsh about the mutilation of children. And just thank you, obviously, for being here, but thank you more importantly for everything you're doing to fight for children in America.

Speaker 2: 00:57

Thank you so much for having me, Seth. I appreciate your kind words so much and your support.

Seth Holehouse: 01:02

Absolutely. So let's just I want to start with just playing a video. I've been tracking the gender reassignment or gender affirming. I keep changing the name of this, which we can talk about that. But there was recently a hearing down in Florida where they actually had these, you know, young people who have been through the transitioning process or detransition, etcetera, that are actually presenting in Florida.

Seth Holehouse: 01:26

And I want to start with that because this really helps to frame the discussion of what a person actually goes through and the effects of this on somebody. So go ahead. Let go ahead pull that up, and we'll start with this.

Speaker 3: 01:38

My name is Zoe Haws. I'm a 23 year old wife and expectant mother who at the age of 16 believed I was a boy and that transitioning would bring me peace. Growing up, I experienced a lot of trauma. I was molested when I was six. My parents divorced when I was eight.

Speaker 3: 01:53

My mom attempted suicide when I

Mel K: 01:55

was

Speaker 3: 01:55

13. I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety in middle school and I couldn't accept my body in puberty. I just wanted to escape. By the age of 16, I was very unstable and suicidal. I came to believe I was male in a female body after reading a memoir about someone who had transitioned.

Speaker 3: 02:14

I came out to my mom who was scared I was going to kill myself if she didn't affirm me. I was immediately taken to a gender therapist who diagnosed me with gender dysphoria and wrote a letter recommending I start testosterone after only three months of therapy. I started T seven months after coming out at the age of 16 and I really thought transitioning was going to fix everything. My period stopped, facial hair grew. Pretty soon, I was passing as male At first, I was elated but my mental health did not improve I became more suicidal, more unstable, and the anxiety became debilitating The was never questioned as a contributing factor to my increasing instability I was in and out of mental hospital six times while being affirmed as a male and supported in my decision to transition by my doctor, psychiatrist immediate family, and even church.

Speaker 3: 03:07

I was also diagnosed with complex PTSD and OCD during this time. I desperately wanted top surgery and hysterectomy but couldn't afford them. After a serious suicide attempt in February of twenty eighteen, I realized that just changing my appearance was not going to take away the pain. So I started working really hard in therapy but I still believed I was male. A year later in 2019, I had a life changing encounter with Jesus and begin to find deep healing and peace within myself.

Speaker 3: 03:37

After nearly four years of being on testosterone, I decided to detransition and accept my womanhood. My mental health improved exponentially. I'm no longer in therapy nor even on mental health medication. I have not been suicidal or hospitalized since stopping testosterone. Three years later, my menstrual cycle has still been irregular.

Speaker 3: 03:57

I still have to shave my face daily and I struggle with hormonal acne. I'm truly grateful I never got surgery because now I'm happily married and 28 pregnant. But if I had gotten surgeries that I so desperately wanted as a teenager, that would have stolen this future from me. So I'm asking the board to create a rule that makes it unethical for doctors to prescribe these hormone treatments for people under the age of 18 and surgeries under the age of 21. Thank you.

Speaker 3: 04:23

My name is Zoe Haws.

Seth Holehouse: 04:27

So Landon, five years ago, if you would have told me that children all across America are going through this process of trying to change their biological gender. I would have thought that's insane. Yet, it seems like this is more prominent now, and much more prominent. I mean, how much is this happening? What's what are the I guess actually before I get into that, like, how does that video make you feel?

Seth Holehouse: 04:59

How often are you hearing stories like this?

Speaker 2: 05:03

I hear it every single day. And my organization, which set out originally to just combat the sexual exploitation of children, is now responding to the assault on children, this war on children, which is coming at them from every direction. But this medical exploitation, this ideological motivated exploitation of children is something that we couldn't turn our backs to. And the more I learned and studied, you know, this phenomenon, the more I realized how interconnected it is with the sexual exploitation, because you can't separate, you know, the gender part from the sexuality, especially when we're talking about life altering forever changes in children's bodies before they've had the chance to sexually mature and decide, you know, what kind of a person that they want to be when they grow up, you can't separate those two. So we hear stories like this every single day and families in crisis, you know, coming to our organization, looking for what we call this underground network of therapists that aren't going to affirm this distortion, this dysphoria, but instead treat it, which is in a normal, healthy world, what every therapist should be doing.

Speaker 2: 06:11

And as this incredibly brave young woman is talking about, she had unresolved trauma that was never dealt with. She was fast tracked on this exploitive train and they never dealt with the sexual abuse. They never dealt with the trauma that was underlying all of those other behavioral symptoms. And unfortunately, as prevalent as sexual abuse is in childhood, that should be the very first thing that gets addressed. And under the affirmative care model, it's just not getting addressed.

Speaker 2: 06:41

And there is a profit motive and an incentive, and that is what we're seeing every single day. And it's just it's horrific.

Seth Holehouse: 06:48

I mean, I'm a father, you're a mother. What does it make you feel when you hear someone who's lost that opportunity because of some terrible misguided choice that they made as a child that was affirmed by the adults around them?

Speaker 2: 07:02

I mean, it makes me sad, you know, first and foremost, empathizing with these victims, because that is what they are. They are being victimized by a system of exploitation, which stands to profit from their vulnerabilities in the same way that we see sex trafficking victims, pimps and profiteers profit off of their vulnerabilities. So there's a lot of parallels here, but it also makes me very angry that the people in power are not being held accountable, that everyday people want to keep pushing this on activists, right? Saying, Oh, you do great work. Let us You take the lead, you do this, and then you tell them what to do and say, Hey, this is what you have to do in a community.

Speaker 2: 07:44

And then people are a little bit apathetic and they fail to take the actions necessary to safeguard their communities, their schools, their places of worship, all of those things to protect our children. So those things, I kind of vacillate back and forth of feeling sad and feeling a little bit angry that, the people that have the power to change this are not recognizing that power and failing to act to protect children.

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Seth Holehouse: 10:47

Is there a specific story that comes to mind that you can tell us about of someone who's come to your organization?

Speaker 2: 10:54

Yeah, so one of the first families that reached out before we broke the Vanderbilt's pediatric transgender clinic story in July. We were investigating what was happening there. And we knew that children were being treated. We knew that they were keeping it under the radar and not being transparent with what they were doing at that clinic. And a family reached out, a mom in tears in a place of crisis.

Speaker 2: 11:20

And she has a child who actually has one of those extremely rare genetic abnormalities, chromosomal abnormalities, conditions that make it a life altering necessity to have that care, right? So there is a need for endocrinology, that type of care. But what they're doing is that they fuse that together into a umbrella of gender clinic. So you have these kids that are essentially being used to legitimize or substantiate everything that's going on under that umbrella. And these kids are being asked questions, Do you want your parent to have access to your medical records?

Speaker 2: 12:01

So this mom is basically saying, I'm scared that my child is going to lose this life saving healthcare she needs. She actually has to be on hormones for these things. I'm afraid because it's the only doctor who treats this condition, but I'm also afraid I'm going lose my daughter because they keep basically superseding her role as a parent and introducing something called a mature minor doctrine. That's what these parents consistently have come forward telling me is happening. And there's a form, paperwork that they have to sign essentially giving the child, giving a parent a permission slip to have access to their health records.

Speaker 2: 12:37

And at the most vulnerable time when teenagers are hormonal and struggling with their identity as a normal phase of teenagehood, they're being asked to, you know, this power grab between the parents and the doctor and parents are being pushed out of the equation. And at every other appointment, they're saying, We have medical chaperones in lieu of parents. If the child doesn't feel comfortable, they're asking in front of the parent, Do you feel comfortable with your parent being here? And so parents are being put in this adversarial, unhealthy power dynamic with their own children. What I'm seeing is it's destroying so many families.

Speaker 2: 13:14

And it's putting these kids at risk because then they are seeking to flee these states where they feel like they their, gender affirmative care is being threatened or challenged or they won't be able to get the surgeries. And one of the biggest risk factors in child sex trafficking is runaways. And with these sanctuary city policies, I mean, you're looking at kids that are running away more, you're looking at kids that are going online more, it is destroying families. And parents are in this position where they literally feel like they're not only gonna lose medical healthcare their kids need in this case, but that their their child is gonna run away, that the CPS is gonna come for their child if they refuse to affirm them. So it is just it's an atrocity what's happening.

Speaker 2: 13:56

And and I I mean, I empathize so much with these families that they're struggling and there's so little resources. So we do everything we can. But it's just not enough because there's so many families right now struggling.

Seth Holehouse: 14:09

Have you worked with any family specifically that have gone through that process of either losing their child to CPS or losing control of their children because they're not affirming their gender? And can you share some of that with us?

Speaker 2: 14:20

Well, specific, we deal with families all the time who've been victimized by the, you know, Child Protective Services or the child welfare system. Unfortunately, there's so much exploitation, there's so much trafficking that goes on, sexual abuse. It is a very harmful system that we seek to reform, that we advocate for that reform. But there's been a couple situations where a parent has felt like if they didn't, that would happen, that next step would happen. And they made the choice to affirm.

Speaker 2: 14:52

And so, you know, our job is not to tell the parents what to do, but provide the information and the resources so that they actually have a choice. Because when you're being coerced or forced into one outcome, that's not a choice. And that's what we try to avoid. Sadly, that is where we're at, is that those two cases that I've dealt with personally, they chose to affirm in those situations so that their kid wouldn't run away, wouldn't commit suicide, right? Which is another form of coercion that they tell parents and children to create that, you know, divisiveness or wedge.

Speaker 2: 15:26

And it's really a lose lose situation because when they are being forced to affirm a lie, then they have to follow their kid down another harmful path. And if they refuse to affirm the lie, then their kid is down another harmful path. So this is what is so devastating to watch. And it's just so upsetting because there's very little resources and ability to help them, which is why I spend so much time focusing on that underlying issue, what is gender ideology and why is it being legitimized? Because the fact that we are legitimizing it in schools and normalizing the pronouns, all of these things contribute to this lie, to the legitimacy of it and the proliferation of it policy wise in our families.

Speaker 2: 16:06

And until that is uprooted and dealt with, we're just gonna see more and more families harmed.

Seth Holehouse: 16:11

And so, you know, getting into schools education, how does it tie into the schools and what they're being taught on the front end? And then is there any connection between that and then child trafficking on the other side of that? Because with some of the guests I've interviewed, they've talked about that the even a lot of the school systems have been very complicit, especially when you get into the orphanage, you know, with your children that are with foster parents, etcetera, they end up being highly susceptible to, you know, child trafficking, especially in certain school systems. So is there a link between the pushing of this, you know, ideology in the schools, and then runaways and child trafficking on the others on the back end of that?

Speaker 2: 16:52

I believe so. And I know many other advocates that are in this fight do as well. Unfortunately, you're not going to have that empirical data to support that. They would never do those studies. They would never fund those studies.

Speaker 2: 17:03

But we know that that is happening and we know that, you know, objectively wherever there's an increase in vulnerabilities, there's an increase in likelihood of exploitation because that is the nature of what these crimes are, is these predators, finding the most vulnerable people. And what's more vulnerable? Children. Children with that, know, one parent households, addiction in the home, unrest in the home, poverty, struggling with their identity. Those children are the ones who are more vulnerable.

Speaker 2: 17:31

And so what we do see, and falsely marketed, is this increase in LGBTQ kids being exploited. And it's mostly connected to online behaviors because what do they do with these kids that they're trying to set on this path is they tell them to go online. They tell them to go to on Q Chat space. They recommend adult interactions with strangers, with these unhealthy sexual websites promoting all sorts of really lascivious sexual acts to children. So, there is a correlation here of promoting high risk sexual behaviors, high risk behaviors associated with adult strangers, keeping secrets, that's grooming, grooming behavior in schools from parents.

Speaker 2: 18:14

And, but really, it's really about weakening the identity of a child. So when you have a child that comes from a home and there are certain values in the home that are being replaced at school, being uprooted, being dismantled, that they love that word, this Marxist ideology of dismantling everything that we stand for as parents primarily. They dismantle that, they keep secrets and they render children more vulnerable to exploitation, and they encourage them to seek out resources that increase that ex that chances of exploitation. So, yes, there are those connections.

Seth Holehouse: 18:49

I think there's never been more of a need for us to strengthen our families, strengthen the bonds with our children, with our grandchildren. Can you explain to parents what their kids are potentially experiencing online? Like, lay out what they might be watching and learning from TikTok or Instagram or anything else they're being exposed to.

Speaker 2: 19:10

Right. Well, this is something that I'm very passionate about being blatantly honest about, because I think it's important. I think there's a lot of false information, a false sense of security parents have when they hear about parental controls and safety controls that Instagram is offering your child, right? That trust has already been broken. We already know that on all of these social media platforms, child exploitation, sex torsion, child trafficking rings, The demand is so high for CSAM, child sexual abuse material, also known as child pornography.

Speaker 2: 19:43

It's ramping on all these platforms. They can't get ahold of it, or they won't, I'd rather say, get ahold of it, this problem and deal with it. So why are we sending our children into an environment with porn, predators, sexual content? I mean, just on the on the Jonathan Haidt level of, you know, harms, right? We're talking about increase in mental health, problems, depression, anxiety, skyrocketing rates since social media was introduced to prepubescent kids and, pubescent kids.

Speaker 2: 20:16

And then we're dealing with, you know, skyrocketing eating disorders. So just on those reasons alone, you know, if parents weren't given that false information, that false sense of security that, yeah, as long as I have parental controls on, it'll be better. You know, we really have to unpack that. Parental controls don't work. They might give you a false sense of security, five percent one day, 10% the other day.

Speaker 2: 20:39

And then, you know, if your child sees porn, it's all gone. You can't un program your child from the micro trauma that early porn exposure has. It tattoos their brain permanently. It opens up a world to them that they are not ready or equipped to deal with and navigate. And it stores in the body and in the brain, in their spiritual development, their sexual development, all those things as a microtrauma.

Speaker 2: 21:03

And it goes and impacts their other behaviors and health and interactions socially. So we know that it's harmful and we would never drop off our kids at pedophile meetup night at the bowling alley. But that's exactly what we're doing when we give our kids smartphones. And so I'm very passionate about being very honest about that with parents, whether they like it or not, that is the truth. And so when we know the truth, we are responsible then for making those decisions for our kids.

Speaker 2: 21:29

And they say, Well, what age, Landon? What age is the right age? And I'm reticent to say a specific age because parents know their kids better than I do. And I have one child that is a lot more mature, and then I have one child who's not, and who won't be ready for social media until they're probably 17 or older. But what I would say is until your child is able to navigate and have the digital self defense skills necessary to navigate porn, predators, exploitive algorithms, all of the body dysmorphic propaganda that's piled onto them, until they have the sense of identity that is firmly rooted, then they should never be exposed to that.

Speaker 2: 22:09

And it's our jobs as parents to make sure that they're not exposed to that. And so that's really what it comes down to.

Seth Holehouse: 22:15

Yeah. My daughter's too. And I've already had this discussion with her and told her she can't have a cell phone until she's 21. And she was okay with that. I did bribe her with some gummy bears, but she was actually okay with that.

Seth Holehouse: 22:24

So we're gonna we're gonna stick to that. I'll get her to sign something once she can write her name. We'll hold her to that. So you mentioned the Vanderbilt Medical Center, and I had heard about that through you know, I follow Matt Walsh. I follow you as well on Twitter.

Seth Holehouse: 22:36

And Matt Walsh is, you know, I I tend to like bearded conservative guys that just speak kinda dryly about how it really is. Can you explain to us what was happening with Vanderbilt? And you raised a lot of awareness about what was happening there and actually changed a lot of how they're operating. So can you share a little more of that story with us?

Speaker 2: 22:56

Yeah, I mean, I like to say that our work sparked the fire that then Matt Walsh picked up that big torch and drew so much awareness to, and they did a great job exposing the surgeries that were taking place. So it's awesome when we can work together to create change. And I'm very hopeful that after the rally, after all of this work that we put in, that there will be legislative change when that session comes back in Tennessee. But there's a lot to unpack there. I mean, one of the doctors there admitted, in a document that we uncovered that they were treating children as young as six years old.

Seth Holehouse: 23:33

Six.

Speaker 2: 23:34

So, yeah. So, and we had a bill in Tennessee too that unfortunately didn't have any teeth because it was limiting these chemical castrations for children that were prepubescent before Tanner stage two. And there's no doctors giving those children anything. There's no reason for it to suppress a puberty that isn't happening at eight, nine years old, six years old. So that really didn't do anything.

Speaker 2: 23:56

And so this is why it's so important is that we get these false senses of security of like, Oh, well, we have this bill that's protecting kids, then it's not. And it requires us to be very informed and very involved in that process and putting pressure on our legislators. We're paying attention. We're watching you. We understand this issue, and we're going to hold you accountable.

Speaker 2: 24:15

So that's why I love Matt. We're just very direct about here's the problem, and here's what needs to be done to stop it.

Seth Holehouse: 24:23

So you've mentioned a handful of times the profits behind this. You know, one thing that I've worked to really expose has been organ harvesting in China, which is it's an atrocious thing. It's still being practiced to this day at a state run level where they're taking, you know, healthy human beings, basically chopping them up and selling them for hundreds of thousands of dollars. When I interviewed Becky Rasmussen a couple weeks ago talking about human trafficking, she was saying, it's just a massive profit center, because you have this person that she was saying that you can have this person going on, you know, 12 or 15 tricks or gigs a day that you're selling, yet where's your cost of product? There's nothing there.

Seth Holehouse: 25:02

So it's it's, you know, big comp big corporations, governments, criminal networks, profiting off of the mutilation, the destruction, the sale of the human body is something that I'm exposed to. But when it comes to the gender mutilation, where's the profit in this for them? How does that work?

Speaker 2: 25:22

Right. Well, I mean, once they get a kid on the gender path, there's million dollar mark over their head. I mean, it's it never ends. Once you are on the hook on these drugs, it's not natural. You're going to be on them forever, and you're going to be on the blood pressure medication, all the other things that are part of that journey that they don't give informed consent on.

Speaker 2: 25:44

They do not say that puberty blockers cause sexual dysfunction and impair your fertility and shrink a male's genitalia to the point where they can't procreate or perform. So they are not giving informed consent. This is a very important point, especially when we're talking about the intersection with the sexual nature of things and then the gender and why they're connected is, you know, a kid cannot consent to sex at, you know, nine, 10, 11, 12, as a minor. They can't consent to sex. So if they can't consent to sex, they can't consent to what their adult sexuality is.

Speaker 2: 26:17

They cannot consent to a procedure which would hinder, inhibit, destroy their future sexuality forever. And neither can their parents on behalf of them. So this is really It's very dark when you think about it, these life altering procedures that they're profiting off of. So once they get them on hormones, and in some cases, especially with the new WPATH guidelines, they're recommending you don't even necessarily need to be on T or you don't have to be on hormones to get these surgeries. They're also marketing it and giving this big child rights push that it's a human right to have access to gender affirmative care.

Speaker 2: 26:55

For some that might not look like being on hormones, for some that just might be directed to surgery. My organization, Freedom Forever, we are actually uncovering evidence showing that they are doing these surgeries on children as young as 13, even without the hormones. I mean, with or without, terrible, right? But they're fast tracking the surgeries. And we would never mean, can you imagine if just a girl was 13 years old and the mom wanted to have bigger breasts, just cosmetic surgery?

Speaker 2: 27:21

It's a cosmetic surgery that we're performing on minors. I mean, it's unbelievable honestly that we're at this point. And these hospitals that are supposed to be helping people with medical conditions are profiting, and they admitted so. In the Matt Walsh expose, the Daily Wire put out, they admitted that this is a huge moneymaker for the hospital, that this is a profit we're talking about here. And another really good point that I wanted to put out is that I think it was ten years ago, I can't remember the exact mark, but if you did a Google search in data analytics for gender affirmative care or top surgery or anything, you'd find nothing.

Speaker 2: 27:59

But where are all those dead bodies of children who didn't have access to the gender affirmative care? They didn't exist because that was not a problem. This is a manufactured manmade problem that was created, and now we're dealing with that. So it's unbelievable that we're at this point.

Seth Holehouse: 28:15

And so the pushing of this, which is happening a lot through the schools, through social media, and if you're saying that once someone goes down this path, they have a million dollar mark on their head, that it's lifelong a lifelong customer, basically, of all kinds of drugs and everything. Is there if you if you follow the money, do you see are there any big pharma companies or big hospital companies that are actually funding to push forward this agenda? Because if you look at what happened with COVID, for instance, it's like, oh, why is, you know, Fox News so aggressive with, you know, promoting the vaccine? It's like, oh, look who sponsored their entire program, Pfizer. Right?

Seth Holehouse: 28:53

You make these connections. So do we see that same thing happening within this realm?

Speaker 2: 28:59

Absolutely. And I mean, that's a really good point to make, because there were certain drugs, right, that some doctors wanted to prescribe that were off label, but deemed safe. Well, these gender hormones, the puberty blockers are off label, but are suddenly deemed safe. So there's just a complete hypocrisy about how medicine is applied and practiced, especially where somebody stands to profit. And I'm sure someone could do a deep dive into who's serving on the board here and who's a professor of gender medicine that is actually working at these hospitals.

Speaker 2: 29:31

But a lot of these hospitals are operating as research hospitals, and they're doing all of this and getting a lot of profits from under the guise of research. And so that's an important thing. When you look at the Pritzker's and their influence across our nation with these child hospitals, introducing so many pediatric transgender clinics, you see that there's correlations there, there's connections with profit incentives and this push to normalize this at a rapid pace across America. And many people are profiting and they're using scientific advancement or research as a guise to get this done.

Seth Holehouse: 30:08

And so something I'm also seeing consistently in the stories I'm looking into is that it was actually some sort of online personality that they followed that had encouraged us initially, yet the online groomers that lure these kids and immutalize themselves turn on them viciously if they don't want to be trans anymore. I know that was part of Chloe's story, how the online community completely turned on her once she decided to come back and to detransition. So can you talk about what what kids are going through with this?

Speaker 2: 30:36

Well, absolutely. And this is how you know, you know, the difference between propaganda, the difference between, you know, force, fraud, and coercion being deployed on you is if you can question it, if you can say no. You know, freedom is the ability to say no. And what happened to Chloe and so many others, you know, who are afraid to speak out. And so she's just such a beacon of bravery for those voices resembling all of those who can't or who are afraid, is that you can't speak out.

Speaker 2: 31:04

You can't say no to this transgender. You can't say no to these, you know, these drugs, all of these things, because then you are deemed less than, you are isolated, you are marginalized. You know, you're accused of being an impostor or using the trans community, all of these things that she was called. I mean, there's still blue check mark media people accusing Chloe of not actually have undergoing the double mastectomy that she went, just completely gaslighting her entire experience. But you know what?

Speaker 2: 31:35

In a way, was a good thing. It was a good thing when I was there at the rally watching these people scream, F you fascist, to this young, incredible girl speaking truth, because it showed very clearly what side of history that I wanted to be on. But more importantly, everyone who was there, the thousands of people that were there, the thousands who were watching, and everyone impacted by Chloe's story and so many other of the brave transitioners, detransitioners that come out and share their experience because it's all the same.

Seth Holehouse: 32:05

It's insane. If you take a step back at this and say, you know, we're in the nineteen fifties looking forward, and you described to me a rally where a girl was on stage talking about the mistake she made to chop off her breasts and chemically castrate herself, and that you have people in protesting calling her a fascist. It's it's like, it's mind boggling. This is where our society is at. But can you tell me more about the this detrans movement?

Seth Holehouse: 32:36

Because I'm seeing that it's gaining a lot of momentum.

Speaker 2: 32:39

Right. Well, I think it's a great thing because this is the reality is that there's going to be so many children who realize, who wake up one day and say, I made a mistake. I mean, the video you played, Chloe, Scott, I mean, there's countless people that have said, I made a mistake, or this was, you know, they used coercion to get me to accept this idea, or the family is saying, they told me my kid was going to commit suicide if I didn't do it. These coercive tactics are, the more that they are exposed, the more truth comes out, the more people realize that they were exploited by this system. And so we're going to be dealing with an epidemic level of young people who've already been exploited by the system, who've been injured, and who are mentally recovering from the trauma of that experience.

Speaker 2: 33:26

And so, this movement is growing. And I think it's really important to recognize, especially when we're navigating this uncharted territory of like, you're dealing with somebody that in some cases has already gone through the surgeries, they're on the other end of it. And it's very difficult to go back. And so, I think it's important to have empathy of, call them by their name, right? I'm a big proponent of not using the whole pronouns, not subscribing to that whole ideology that legitimizes the harms of gender ideology, but showing respect and empathizing with these people as the victims that they are.

Speaker 2: 34:01

Because as a child who does not have the ability to consent, the fact that they were coerced into these procedures, and they're left to pick up the pieces, and they're left with a body that is not a woman's body anymore, even though they are a woman. And so we have to be prepared as a society, as Christians, as people that are empathetic towards others and welcoming them and helping be that soft place to land, because this other side is not going to be that for them. And so I think it's really important to prepare and create support systems and empathy for how we deal with this epidemic of people that are going to inevitably surface.

Seth Holehouse: 34:40

Yeah. What do you think the long term effect of this forcing of the acceptance and normalizing basically insane ideas upon our society is in terms of our own mental state's insanity as a society as a whole?

Speaker 2: 34:57

I mean, the further we drift from the truth, the further we drift away from morality, because morality is rooted in truth. And the lack of standard across the board, whether it's in parenting or as individuals or what truth is, or censorship and all of these things is really what is going to help, you know, implode quicker. So people being you know, refusing to stand for something to to defend morality is the most dangerous thing that's occurring right now in my opinion. It's not all the bad things that are happening. It's the unwillingness and inability for good people to not stand for something and say, I don't care if you think this is morally objective.

Speaker 2: 35:39

You're not gonna dismantle this morality because this is essential to preserving truth, to preserving freedom, to preserving our human rights. And it's really a religious conversation or a spiritual conversation when it all comes down to it, because where does our morality come from? You know, if it's not rooted in anything, it can be dismantled.

Seth Holehouse: 36:00

I couldn't agree more. That's a big part of what I talk about on the show as well is it really it comes back on us. I mean, this is fundamentally, it's we've allowed our country and our nation to get to this place through, I think, sitting idly and being distracted with the bread and circuses, being distracted with, you know, money or whatever it was that took us off the core responsibilities of protecting innocence and our society. Now and what an interesting point is if you you back the video I played at the very beginning of this young woman, you know, she said, I think it was around 19 when she finally found God and she had or, you know, found Jesus, she had this awakening moment. That's when everything made sense for her.

Seth Holehouse: 36:39

And I think historically, if you had a young child or a teenager that was really going off track, you know, finding their roots in a religion or or their belief in God or their spirituality, that's the thing I can say for me when I was probably 17, 18 years old. That's what really helped correct the course that my life was on. And so it's even more nefarious if you look at it that these are children that probably need some sort of spiritual grounding as they're trying to understand who they are in this world. Yet instead of that, they're being fed something that I view view as purely satanic. They're being fed a TikTok video or a, you know, a a documentary or a website that is, you know, some person who's already transitioned telling them that's gonna fix their problems.

Seth Holehouse: 37:23

So what do you make about it from that perspective of this whole the contrast of good and evil?

Speaker 2: 37:29

Well, the the absence of morality is creating a vacuum for all this evil to come fill the void. And so it's here here's the thing. If our house was locked up and fortified, none of this stuff would get in. And we've left our door open. We've we've been willingly subjecting our own children to grooming environments, to even exploitive environments, indoctrination environments, by choice, not by force.

Speaker 2: 37:57

And we've abdicated our role as parents. And it really, I think to unpack that further back, started with this whole, you know, don't judge anyone, inclusivity, tolerance, all of this thing, because we were convinced to stop standing for anything, to stop talking about our moralities, to stop having standards because those standards are offensive to other people's reality and existence. And that was the line where all of this, the cracks in our foundation the doors were left open and the windows, And then we just got completely eviscerated by this evil, and it seeped into every aspect of our lives. And now we're trying to board up the windows and to call our children back home and do everything we can to fix it. But that is such a fundamental thing, and I'm so grateful for people like you speaking that truth and telling people that difficult truth is that this is why we're here, is when we seated that ground and allowed people to take away our morality so that we dimmed our light, we stopped telling the truth, we stopped standing for anything, and we allowed anything and everything to exist.

Speaker 2: 39:05

And so now we're living that consequence of that. But the good news is, is that it's not too late. With God, all things are possible, and it's not too late to recover our families, to restore our families, build up our families again in the truth of Christ. And that is something that you will just continue to do.

Seth Holehouse: 39:23

It's interesting that you brought the point up about how we're allowing these things. And, you know, I think a lot of folks have heard the saying that the road to hell is paved in good intentions. And I was just talking to our nanny, I think it was last night about this, and how nowadays, it's the road to hell is paved in tolerance. And, you know, I've interviewed Trevor Loudon, you know, recently in talking about the enemies within the church and the communist infiltration of the church and how they've worked to change even the the theology schools and bring in this satanic you know, because communism is not just it's not atheist. It's satanic.

Seth Holehouse: 39:58

If you go back to the origins of it, that's a whole different discussion to get into. But they've brought the satanic agenda into the mainstream church. And I was listening to a podcast recently, and they're playing this prayer that this young girl who was studying at the theology school, and she was guiding this whole her whole class in a prayer where she was literally calling God a transgender and saying that God is everything, and we have to love everything. And it to me, it's like, well, why had the 10 commandments sinned? Why even have any guidance?

Seth Holehouse: 40:29

Why have the Bible? Just say that let's just love everything in any form, And we'll just go back to Sodom and Gomorrah times.

Speaker 2: 40:37

Exactly. I mean, that that is perfect summation of everything that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And we see that with so many policies that the way that they're pitched to us as being more inclusive or helping our children or saving lives, and then they end up devastating our lives, you know, people dying, people being hurt and maimed. So I think enough people are starting to wake up to that lie, to that sales pitch. And it comes from the enemy.

Speaker 2: 41:04

I mean, that is how he parades around as a figure of light, right? Of using this language that appeals to Christians in particular. And that is how they, you know, do their sorcery of flipping things and distorting, you know, scripture, distorting our tenants of our religion, to serve that agenda. And so the only way to really mitigate that is being so firmly rooted in your convictions to truly know and have relationship with God that you can discern the difference. You know, it goes way beyond just going to church on Sunday or just, Oh, I'm a Christian or, Oh, I'm a good person.

Speaker 2: 41:42

It's do you really live the principles that you say you want in your life? The principles that you profess that you ascribe to? I mean, what's the point of having morals that are afraid to fight for them? What's the point of having freedom if we're afraid to stand up and defend it?

Seth Holehouse: 41:57

I I couldn't agree more. And now I know that you've done a lot of work in the music industry. And it's really clear, especially now that Hollywood and the music industry are promoting all of these things. Why do you think that is? And what do you think about their role in our culture and their role in our children's lives, Hollywood and the music industry?

Speaker 2: 42:18

I think it's one of the most sadly influential, you know, harmful aspects of our society. I've always referred to them as the exploitation marketing arm. They market every exploitive policy or idea or, you know, body image, anything like that, especially to young girls. You know, and we there's a lot of talk. You know, they are the epitome of false idols.

Speaker 2: 42:47

When you have somebody that waits at 5AM in cold or snow and cries when they see these people, I mean, that is the epitome of making somebody your idol. And I think that there's a disconnect even with me, with my children, where there was a time where we watched Disney, right? And before all of this stuff started coming out. And, you started to see little signs here and there, and we just kind of ignored them because they weren't so far over the line. We're like, Yeah, I'm not sure my kid's going pick up on this.

Speaker 2: 43:18

We make concessions and we negotiate with the enemy on a daily basis. And it's really, that is where we get into trouble, because we are exposing our children to this, the false idolry, the marketing arm of exploitation, like every single day. And so parents think that, Oh, well, my kid listens to Billie Eilish, or have a smartphone or they watch some Disney shows, but it's okay because I'm teaching them the right things at home. It's just, it's sending the complete opposite message to allow that is to tell our children it's okay because we're responsible for what they're exposed to. It's not on them to filter and censor their lives.

Speaker 2: 44:04

So when we expose that and say, it's okay to watch this, or it's okay to listen to this, we are facilitating the very intention of what Hollywood wants to do. We're doing that for them. So they don't even have to market our kids because we are willingly handing it over to our children. And that's really when I had a moment in my life where I was like, Oh wow, this is not in alignment with what kind of parent I want to be, of how I want my children to Who it is I want them to be or to be able to become. And they'll never be able to become what I'm trying to teach them, the values, if I'm allowing this to contradict everything that I'm trying to teach them.

Speaker 2: 44:42

And so we had to make that decision to pull the plug. And so I think that's the hard part is really taking an inventory of our lives as parents and seeing where those incongruities and consistencies are with our morality.

Seth Holehouse: 44:55

I mean, the music especially, I mean, it's it's everywhere. It's in the malls. It's even in school buses. And, I mean, I've watched recently, unfortunately, you know, Lil Nas and his his music video where he's doing a pole dance on Satan in hell. I mean, it's it's it's insane.

Seth Holehouse: 45:13

And I saw another thing. There's a very prominent rapper that had a huge following on Twitter, and they're targeting the young kids with these rappers. And on Twitter, this rapper said something like, if you go to this website, x hamster, they're giving away free hamsters. Well, x hamster is a pornography site. So how many 13 year old kids do you think went and searched for that?

Seth Holehouse: 45:33

I mean, it's it's so it's so evil. So Right. Like, what's your advice to the parents? Like, how can the parents or the grandparents act to avoid this for their children?

Speaker 2: 45:46

Right. Well, I mean, if if if parents wouldn't invite Nicki Minaj into their home to give their kids life advice, then their kids shouldn't be exposed to that. I mean, that's really the bottom line here is these people are influencing our children the same way as if we opened our front door and invited them to dinner. In fact, in some ways, more so because when kids are consuming this media, they're in a trance state, which is rendering the brain a lot more vulnerable and receptive and sponge like to receiving that programming. And that's what it is.

Speaker 2: 46:18

It's programming.

Seth Holehouse: 46:20

So their jaws hang open. Like that's an indicator that someone is literally in a hypnotic state when their when their jaw drops open. And think of all the kids you see watching Nickelodeon with their their eyes glued in their mouth hanging open.

Speaker 2: 46:30

Absolutely. So they don't even know what they're being programmed with. And that is exactly what it is, it's programming. And I say this as somebody who was a part of that system and not knowing it even myself. I left my home in Texas when I was 18.

Speaker 2: 46:46

I packed my car up, went for that Hollywood dream, got a record deal. And that whole world is such a lie. It's such a lie. Even if they weren't outwardly encouraging kids to sign up on OnlyFans and go to porn, which they are doing. But even if they weren't doing that, the lie that they're selling young girls is destroying young girls.

Speaker 2: 47:07

It's promoting, you know, promiscuity, sexuality, and aversion of identity that is rooted in how many likes you can get on social media, which for a girl, you pick up on that really fast. It's a sexual quid pro quo. And so it's sexualizing our children to expose them to figures like this, to these media companies that promote this. And it's pretty much all of them. And so it's hard to Again, it's like such a chore for parents to be like, Oh, did you check this show out?

Speaker 2: 47:33

This is like, Well, is it under Nickelodeon? Is it under Disney? Is it under all of these big Netflix that promoted cuties? I mean, it's a no then. I mean, it's an automatic no.

Speaker 2: 47:43

So I think we just When we get past this point where we're done with all the, quite frankly, BS of negotiating with these exploitive systems that are so toxic for not just our children, but our whole families, that these people actually hate us and wanna destroy everything we stand for. When we get past this point, we are going to be unstoppable in reclaiming our families and reclaiming our identity and our young women thriving with who they are and their sense of identity and place in this world not being in their sexuality. I mean, imagine the possibilities of really living our full potential as God intended. I can't wait for that that point in life.

Seth Holehouse: 48:24

Me too. And actually, that are you seeing a positive movement towards that? I think that for so many people, they look around, it feels like there's just so much evil everywhere. But I find that the folks like you that I talked to, it's like they're like, no, you're not seeing it necessarily, but there is such a positive movement. So is that something you're seeing that parents are really starting to wake up to this and there there's just there's momentum to bring the good back into this world?

Speaker 2: 48:49

I see it in mothers. I don't see it in as many men yet.

Seth Holehouse: 48:53

I have really watching, you need to listen to that. It's really we should be the should be the tip of the spear protecting our our women and children.

Speaker 2: 49:02

Absolutely. You know, and I was just watching my friend Savannah Hernandez, she's an incredible independent journalist, get physically assaulted multiple times on camera trying to cover the journalism. And I'm going, Where are the men? Where are the men putting themselves in harm's way? Where are the men recognizing the need to cover this?

Speaker 2: 49:21

So people like her don't even have to be subject She's my height, she's a petite woman. And this is what's happening. If we wanna reclaim our The masculinity and femininity, it the men have to step up because what's happening is a lot of women don't even wanna be doing this. You know? They wanna be with their children.

Speaker 2: 49:42

They wanna be, you know, working and all these things. But instead we've had to take on this war because the men have not stepped up. And it's not like shaming, blaming men. It's a call to men to stand up, that we need you. We need strong men in our society to stand up and reclaim their masculinity so that we can support them in this fight because we need them.

Speaker 2: 50:03

And so many women, my entire organization is mothers. My entire daily interaction with other mothers standing up for their children, fighting for their children, women, and the men are taking this passive role. In a lot of cases, has to do with money. Right? You know, they're putting food on the table, which I understand, but there's some way men can fight.

Speaker 2: 50:26

And we need we need them to stand up.

Seth Holehouse: 50:29

And it's good if you say that too, because I think that for a lot of men, the same indoctrination that's happening with the children, we've been told, you know, don't, you know, give into toxic masculinity, and women want these soft emotional men. But I guess coming from you, tell the men that are watching, what do women want in a man? What do real women want in a real man?

Speaker 2: 50:50

Whew. I mean, I can speak for a lot of women. So I feel comfortable saying this, not just as an individual, but for a lot of women, because I hear from them a lot. We want men to stand in strength. Strength is a huge part of it.

Speaker 2: 51:08

Moral strength, spiritual strength, and yes, physical strength. Because something happens with that mind body connection. When a man is eating soy and is small and he doesn't have the power to stand up to protect us. And as a woman, that is very important to us, is that we are protected, that we know that a man will stand up to protect us. And you know, that has been really broken and challenged in our society, like the whole, you know, the Titanic sinking, and they say women and children first, and then these men just jump on the boats.

Speaker 2: 51:43

I was watching a Titanic thing with my son the other day, and I had never known this part. I thought I knew everything about the Titanic. But there was one man, a Japanese man, who jumped on when they said women and children, and he took the spot of a woman and a child. And he was later rejected. His whole country, his family disowned him.

Speaker 2: 52:04

His whole country disowned him because he did that. And I was watching going, Oh my gosh, that's it right there. I mean, he rejected his masculinity. He rejected his role as a man. And he took the spot of a woman and child.

Speaker 2: 52:19

That divine order is missing from our society. And I often look around and I've been in a lot of contentious situations by speaking out as loud as I do and putting myself in the situations of activism where I've been threatened and accosted and all of these things. And I look around at the men and some of the men even have big biceps and the shirts that are the coffee company, Black Rifle Coffee Company, or maybe have served in our military, right? There's some signaling going on where I'm like, Hey, you got all these tattoos. You're a big tough guy.

Speaker 2: 52:52

And you just saw somebody yell at me for not wearing a mask. And I'm looking at the men going like, I'm five'two. Anybody gonna step in here to have my back? Nope. Okay.

Speaker 2: 53:01

You know? And as a woman, that's just Number one, it's a little scary. It's scary to know that if my life is in danger, how many men around me would actually be willing to step up in front of me to help protect? And I think that is the collective, to answer your question. Sorry, get off on these tangents of long answers, Because I think very deeply about things, but women collectively don't feel safe.

Speaker 2: 53:26

And when we don't feel safe, we turn into, we fight. That testosterone literally gets pumping in us, which isn't good and it's not healthy. But when we feel that our safety in our children, primarily their safety and their future is being threatened, that's when we turn into the mama bears. And that's when we assert ourselves and start taking on the role of a dominant man in society. And I don't think a lot of us want that.

Speaker 2: 53:50

I think it stresses us out. I think it's against our nature. I think it affects family dynamics in an unhealthy way. And it's a lot of work to not let it harm your family and to know when to put down the sword. But luckily I'm married to a very strong alpha male.

Speaker 2: 54:08

So it works because you have to be, because that's the role that I've been called to step into. So I need a very strong man to help also disarm me when I need that, to to be able to step into my femininity and relax and go, oh, my my husband's taking care of me. I'm protected. I don't have to wear my gun everywhere. I'm with my husband.

Speaker 2: 54:26

You know, like, that's a really great feeling. It's the best gift you can give a woman.

Seth Holehouse: 54:30

I think it's about really returning back the truth, like you mentioned earlier. You know, there's a way that we were designed by God. And the further we get away from that, the more chaos, depression, suicide, everything. But when we get back to that, and men become whim sorry, men become men, women become women. And that's just that's getting back to that truth.

Seth Holehouse: 54:47

So before we we finish, I wanna show your website, and I wanna let people know where they can find you, where they can follow you, where they can support you. So this is your organization, Freedom Forever, which is freedomforever.us. And so tell us a little bit about what your organization does and how we can support you.

Speaker 2: 55:08

Yeah. So we are a volunteer run organization combating child exploitation in all forms, all forms of the grooming, the abuse, and child trafficking that's happening. We address everything from the unaccompanied minor crisis at our border to children that are being castrated, chemically castrated, the gender mutilation happening. We respond to these crises, we assist families, but more importantly, we're focused on prevention based activism, and that is effective education, grassroots outreach, national speaking, and activist campaigns to inform the public and activate the public. And we've been able to do a lot of really great things this year to respond to what's happening at these gender clinics, to also respond to the all ages drag shows and get a lot of them shut down.

Speaker 2: 55:56

And we're able to restore ICAC funding, which is internet crimes against children in California. We were able to participate in so much of this because of the generous donors and the volunteers who step up to help our organization be the impactful organization that it is. So we're we're growing, and we're just so grateful for everyone's support.

Seth Holehouse: 56:14

Great. Well, thank you so very much for what you're doing. You're you're an inspiration to me. You should hopefully be an inspiration for the men that are watching. They need to, you know, strengthen to get their backbones straight, stand up, protect our women children.

Seth Holehouse: 56:26

You know, now is the time. Now, you know, and we don't wanna look back five years from now and say, gosh, we missed the window to save our country and save our children. So we really have to speak up for America. And also support you and your work. Follow you on, you know, again, the website freedomforever.us.

Seth Holehouse: 56:43

People can donate if that's how they will support you. Also, just sharing this message, getting this video out to people, because we have to get more people fired up about this. We need to have not just the mama bears. We need to have the the father lions roaring

Speaker 2: 56:55

Yes.

Seth Holehouse: 56:55

And saving our kids and our nation.

Speaker 2: 56:58

100%. Well, thanks so much for this amazing convo. Hope to have many more with you.

Seth Holehouse: 57:03

I'd love it. Thank you so much. Take care.

Speaker 2: 57:05

Thanks, Seth.