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Unbound is a weekly podcast, created to help you achieve more as a leader. Join Chris DuBois as he shares his growth journey and interviews others on their path to becoming unbound. Delivered weekly on Thursdays.
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Not all people are created the same. And today we dive into personalized medicine and how understanding your body can make you a better leader. Are you a leader trying to get more from your business in life? Me too. So join me as I document conversations, stories and advice to help you achieve what matters in your life. Welcome to unbound with me, Chris DuBois. When May is the CEO and co founder of endo Canna health incorporated when brings more than 25 years of cannabis and genomics experience to advocate of health. And he is the current chair of the CBD is a science board. And as a stakeholder in some of the industry's most iconic brands. One holds a Master's of medical cannabis and a certificate of endocannabinoid formulation from the Institute for the Advancement of integrative medicine. He is also a published author of the book Making cannabis personal and the host of the popular everything is personal podcast when welcome, Ron Ben.
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Thanks, Chris. I appreciate it. You know, just learned something. I think I need to, like shrink my bio, because then like cuts into the conversation. Law. Yeah,
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some of it's a mouthful the advancement of integrative medicine.
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Yeah, I can't I can't do any. I can I aim? That's it from IHS. Save time. Yep.
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Well, welcome to the show. Let's kick off with your origin story.
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Yeah, um, so I have to preface that I had a weekend full of Metallica conference concerts this weekend. So I still like recovering from, from that two shows, which were incredible. And so fi in LA. But my origin story is, you know, when I was a kid, and maybe some people can relate to that, I would go to class. And I would try to focus in on all these thoughts that pop in my head, and they float. And, you know, I was diagnosed with ADHD. And I was putting off prescription medication. And, you know, somebody to work I can't say didn't but actually took out for me any feelings that I had. So I would feel like a robot basically. And so I was hanging out with some older kids one day before school, and they asked me if I wanted to smoke cigarette. I was like, Yeah, you know, hanging out the cool kids smoke a cigarette was a cool thing to do. Never question why they only have one cigarette, but okay. So they pass a cigarette around, it gets to me. I take a dragon Hale. I dabbled in cigarettes at that time and tasted weird. Took another one to kind of cough a little bit. And they're laughing at me. Like what said, oh, you know, it's a feel anything. Kind of, and it was cannabis, they put cannabis in the in the cigarette. But when I went back to class, all the windows in my head sort of shrunk, and I could focus. So I never mentioned it to anybody. But you know, I would try to get cannabis as often as I can. Yes, it was fun hanging out with friends. But also, it worked for me in that way. And what happened was, you know, my parents kept catching me. And eventually they ended up kicking me out of the house actually calling the cops on me haven't tried to have me arrested. The irony of this is my parents both consume formulations that we manufacture now. But in doing so through my journey, just to kind of make it a little shorter. I discovered that other people are using cannabis for their medicinal challenge that had a rally at Independence Hall in Philadelphia with this keynote speaker who was using it under a government program for glaucoma. So I started really seeing that there is a way for people to use cannabis in a more personalized way for their own symptomatic conditions. I moved to Los Angeles about 15 years ago, or so and got into the dispensary business. And one of the things I started seeing is two people will consume the same chemical variety and have a complete different experience. So my EDI kicked in to hyperfocus mode. And I was like, Alright, I need to figure out what this is. And a lot of it has to do with the genetics of the plant. So we're naming things, different strains, whatever, that really didn't have a lot of meaning to that. And then when we actually started looking at genetics of the plant, there are cannabinoids and terpenes that are specific to that plant. So understanding that first and the genetics of the plant. And then I started focusing on human genetics. So working with a company that was doing pharmacogenomics, which is how different drugs affect your body and how drug in or drugs interact together. So like the light bulb moment was, well we have plant DNA here we have human DNA here. Let's bring those two together to create a personalized experience and launched the endocrine of health in 2017. The first six months, all we did was research, we looked at every single genetic biomarker, that direct or indirect Association, association with the endocannabinoid system. And once we did that, we have our kit. It's called endo DNA test, which swab your register. And you should probably go to our lab, and we can get into that in more detail. But basically, that's the origin story in a nutshell.
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So I mean, we're gonna go into a lot of both the science and everything through this episode. But I want to start on just how does your company actually like analyze someone's DNA so that you can create a personalized health plan for them?
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Yeah, so I'm glad you said analyze the DNA because now it's it's looking at your genetics and looking at your whole genome. But first, we started looking at the genetics that have an association with your endocannabinoid system. And there's two ways that we do that. Number one is first, we partner with a company called aluminum. So aluminum build a custom chip for us. So when we talk about a chip, it actually is a physical chip. And the way that it works is it picks up different combinations of nucleotides in your in your genotype on what's called a single nucleotide polymorphism. And I'll get into what that really means. But it's a genetic biomarker from your gene. And then it picks those up. And it shows you what your specific new nucleotide combination is, which is your genetic predisposition. And genes communicate in four letters like computer talks in a binary code once zeros, and we have an genes do that in four letters, A, C, A, T, and a and a G, those combination those letters are your genetic encoding. That's your genetic predisposition. So first, we have that chip, then we have our kid. And the way it works is we're HIPAA GDPR compliant, you would take the kid, you would swab into your cheek, you register, if you do not register, we'll never know that that information lawsuits de identified, and then you ship that over to our lab, it will take two to four weeks to get your results. And I can go into you know what the results look like. Another way to do it is a is to use the raw data from any other DNA test you may have. So if you've taken 23, me, or an ancestry.com, right, or Family Tree DNA, any one of those, you can download your raw data uploaded to our portal will translate in about 30 seconds, and provide your report as well.
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Right, which is what we did for for my so for all listeners, I actually got to see what the end result is and what kind of the plan I guess for my health what I could be doing with this data. So we'll get into some of that as well. But actually, let's talk about what are some of the insights that someone can can pull out once you once you've analyzed everything? Yeah,
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well, I think people think that this is a test to tell them which weed to smoke to get some most high or whatever. It's nothing to do with that. So first of all, we have a patent. We have several but the one on our technology is for the use of DNA to make recommendations associated with the endocannabinoid system. And we can establish what we mean by the endocannabinoid system, because I don't think it'll help people to understand what the recommendations are. When we met with the FDA, they asked us what is the purpose of your test, and we said to help people either mitigate or avoid a possible adverse event. So that is the basis of what we do, it's to be able to think about as your personalized GPS. So you can sort of avoid those potholes in the road. And what people can learn is, what genetic predispositions they have the certain symptomatic conditions that may be associated with why people use, you know, phyto cannabinoids in the first place. So things like stress and anxiety, mood, sleep challenges, inflammatory conditions, even things like vitamin nutrient deficiencies, etc. The other thing that we look at is metabolic function, which we think is is extremely important to dosing of any kinds. It's, you know, why do people tell what a doctor say, you know, take two of these for everybody? Well, maybe I need four of these, maybe I need one of these. So there's a difference between how people consume and those based on how they metabolize. And the other thing is interaction between substances. So if you're consuming a substance, like when I COVID, the first I would take 14 different supplements, well, how they interact together is one inducer of another is one inhibitor of another. So I understand your own personal experience with how you consume different types of products, different medications, different drugs, that is really what we focus on. So it's, it's actually you know, What to take, how much to take, and then which products more aligned with you, including those supplements, etc, based on the test results, and nobody should buy any product without a test result first, but based on test results, you look to see what it's called certificate of analysis. And you run that through an algorithm to show you what the percent match that specific product is based on your genetic predispositions.
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And so when we did my test, like one of the results came back, which so I've never smoked, before, I've never had any form of cannabis, just because my service in the military and stuff. But the I think it was surprising to see that my stress and anxiety could actually be increased by by trying, which would be the reason I would try to have it's actually decrease those. And so knowing that I could have that reaction means I need to go about it, I don't know, much more like deliberate, you know, kind of planned out sequence, which I thought was interesting that you can get from the test, I think the other insightful piece was was looking at the metabolites and how fast I can actually metabolize, because for the longest time, I've known that when a doctor prescribes me, you know, ibuprofen, or something like it's not going to do anything for me, like it took three doses of morphine after a hiking accident before I felt anything. And I didn't realize this, because Oh, my DNA is actually, you know, at play here, causing this. And so like the idea that doctors are prescribing just that one blanket, yeah, no, everybody thinks to, like, well, they're 100 pounds, and I'm to 20, right? Like, just that on its own should be different. But the fact that your your DNA does actually have a safe shows the value of of knowing that, have you guys had, I guess, getting doctors to listen to that advice. Have you had any success there? Do you have to go to like private doctors to make this happen?
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Yeah, I mean, doctors definitely subscribe to notion I would say P healthcare professionals are more, I would say functional medical professionals, they subscribe more to a protocol that is focused on the root cause. And when you look at root cause, versus, you know, my elbow hurts, let me inject your elbow, well, wait a second, what is the root cause of why my elbow hurts, maybe it's an inflammation of something that consumed that my immune system is overreacting to. And it just so happens that my inflammation is coming out, and my elbow joint, you know, so these are the things that have to be focused. And you talked about, you know, weight, etc. So, I can tell you that the original, I'm going back to phyto cannabinoids, the original recommendation from the Israeli GreenBook, which Israel basically started the MediCal program of citizens in the end, you know, tracking the results of how medicinal cannabis works, and with their recommendation was milligram per kilogram of weight. Well, that doesn't really work, because I'll give you an example. So my business partner is a larger, heavier man than me. And he's a poor metabolizer. I'm a rapid metabolizer, let's say of CBD, which is non intoxicating. Well, if I'm using that as my supplement, and I'm getting a milligram, which is what's recommended for me, well, I'll metabolize it really quickly create really expensive urine, pee it out, and it will work for me the same way. Same thing with THC, which has a really narrow therapeutic window. And that's the euphoric part. Well, if somebody if my business partner would take the same amount, let's say it's an edible, right, and so he would take the same amount as me, he would have a much slower onset, and much longer onset, a much more powerful onset. Now if he has the stress markers for stress reactivity or PTSD, etc. Now we can have a very intense experience. And I know many people say you know cannabis, not for me, because it makes me stressed it makes me paranoid and makes me creates anxiety. Well, if you know your genetic predisposition, you can mitigate the epigenetic expression. So think about genetic says, and I already mentioned that it's your GPS. But think about it this way. When we're born we have our Halford DNA from mother or father. That is the encoding. So think of it as a whole bunch of on off switches. And as we and some of them are turned on for us of birth, like or hair color, skin color, eye color, things of that nature. Other ones are turned on by lifestyle. So if you know your genetic predispositions when you do certain things, the food that you take in your body is supplementation, heavy metals, all these different things can affect the epigenetic expression of that. So that means that there's a there's a information that goes from your gene to a cell that tells it to create proteins to turn things on or off? Well, some things you may not want to turn on as some things you do. So understanding your personalized genetic predisposition to everything is key to be able to navigate through your own, you know, a personalized health and wellness journey. And that's really, you know, why we do what we do.
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So essentially, we're a giant circuit breaker, and you guys are providing that little sheet that's taped to the side of the panel to make sure we know what to turn on. I
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love that analogy, man that I'm going to use that.
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Awesome. There we go. You don't even have to reference me slightly. But so I know, a lot of lot of people listening business owners, business leaders, right. They're under a lot of stress. Commonly they're fighting, burnout, cognitive decline, just chronic stress issues, things like that. How can personalize medicine, I guess help them actually work through some of those things that I can show up better for their teams? Yeah,
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I mean, first of all, you separate personalized medicine and personalized therapeutics, you have to understand what you're genetically predisposed to and what actually triggers stress. My mom always told me that, you know, stress is the root cause of disease. Well, I agree for the most part, but the the question is, how, how does the stress show up? Well, let's go through an example I use the endocannabinoid system is an example of this. Let's say that you're walking down the street, and a car flies out almost hits you. So you're going to have a response to that, you know, flight or fight or flight. And this would happen in in business as well. And we're just not noticing as we travel throughout the day. So what happens is we have a neurochemical expression. So we have some dopamine, we have some adrenaline, we have some norepinephrine, we have some cortisol, all that is pumped into our bloodstream. Now, when our brain realizes no lion chases in the jungle, now it has to two things happen. There's a reuptake of those neuro chemicals, and our brain releases other neuro chemicals to be able to get us to balance which is called homeostasis, which is the role of the endocannabinoid system to maintain homeostasis within our bodies. And it gets signals from all the other systems our bodies, takes that information up the central nervous system like salmon swimming upstream and makes and helps the brain make decisions on which neuro chemicals to fire off. So one of them if it happens to be anandamide, so anandamide, the word a nod in, in Sanskrit means bliss. So this are bliss molecule, and that is also secreted when we consume Delta nine THC. So what happens in some people and just as an example, there is a gene called fall fatty acid amide hydrolase. Well, that gene produces an enzyme that actually metabolizes anandamide. So for some people that don't know that they have a predisposition, they may be actually producing less anandamide, the average person. So that happens that cortisol can stay longer in your bloodstream. And actually, over time, do several things, reduce your pH or make you more acidic. What happens with that your immune system can overreact to that, or overreact to that you can create inflammation, we just talked about elbow, usually in your joints, ankles, knees, hips, neck, back, etc. Now, if you have a predisposition to gut health issues, it can start moving to gut health. How many executives you know are pop and Rowleys or you know, one of those acids all the time? Well, it your body's out of balance, and stress is a huge indicator of that. So first of all, you have to listen your body, you have to understand that something is going on. It's not normal to have headaches all the time. It's not normal for your neck to hurt all the time. It's not normal for us to wake up and have those aches and pains. So having a routine that includes personalized supplementation. What am I missing in my body? What's What am I deficient in? Well, magnesium, well, I can see the genetic predisposition to have a less magnesium. Well, I'm epigenetic, the, I'm not getting it from my food source. So I have to supplement. So per se supplementation is key. phyto cannabinoids, perhaps is another supplementation. Maybe cannabidiol, which is anti inflammatory can actually help reduce some of those inflammatory markers. What else? Well, how about hormones? Men, especially over 40 women to perimenopause, pre menopause, etc. We have to look at our hormone levels and it's not just a blanket Hey, you know guys should start taking some testosterone or so it's about understanding what you how much you're deficient in. And that makes a huge difference. Supplements vitamins, you know, things like we talked about vitamin D while you know the bees etc. You have to be able to To understand what you're personally deficient in, and if you're able to actually supplement your own deficiencies, that's probably 75%. The other part of it is having a mindfulness practice. I mean, you have to be able to understand that you are under a great amount of pressure and stress all day. I had a mentor years ago, I'm not sure if the audience know Stephen Covey is but I'll give you an example. There was a Franklin, back in the day before we had, you know, our, our computers. Not before we had computers, but before we had like our phones, I meant like our date, we use a day timer. That's what I'm trying to say we had notes that we we took so there was a Franklin Covey day timer and Stephen Covey talked about this method of how we manage things as quadrum method, which there's four different quadrants, the first quadrant is urgent, important. The second one is important, not urgent, the other one is urgent and important. Fourth one is not urgent, not important. What happens a lot of times too, high level executives, are people who are running businesses, etc. They spend a lot of time in quadrant number one, everything is urgent, important. So you're putting out fires and everything. And then what happens is your brain can engage that level all the time. So it actually disengages in a quadrant number four, which could be I'm on Instagram or somebody that. So be able being able to be strategic throughout your day, and be able to, you know, have a mindfulness practice, be able to supplement personally. And then also, you have to do something, move your body. So whatever it is, that is your specific flow states, some people like to surf, some people like to hike, some people like to go the gym, whatever that is to balance all those three things together, and then come back and measure those things. That's the key. When I say measure, we focus on longevity a lot. We talk about living longer, but also living healthier, because in the in the US looking the mortality rate, the last 15 to 20 years of people's lives are spent being sick, we're trying to fix that. So if you can actually expand your health span, first, the lifespan, look, your biological age, and work on those factors are specific to you. I think you'll have a much better time with your day to day,
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I think I want to want to quote Peter Thiel for this one. But the marginal decade, just looking at that last 10 years of your life, what do you want to be able to do? Like, okay, now let's, you know, you're not gonna know when that last 10 year starts. But let's start planning for what that could look like, you know, so you're actually enjoying life. Follow up question, though, because I thought of this when you were when you brought up magnesium. So like, I'm deficient, or I guess my I have that predisposition to be deficient. So I already supplement with it. I had a friend who recommended a spray. And this spray, you put it on your bottoms of your feet. The bottle says you need like 50 sprays to do this. I was like, There's no way I'm doing that every night. Right? So I just take like magnesium glycinate, I think, but this friend says he only does like three or four sprays and finds tremendous value in it every night sleeps better everything. Now, is there. Is there some sort of predisposition to how you intake certain supplements for like transdermal first needing to ingest it? This? Yeah, does that impact anything?
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Well, so I don't know about, you know, a product that is a thermal product that's supposed to be interacting into your bloodstream, I'm not sure how that can actually work. placebo, placebo does account for 25% At least, I would say. Who knows? I don't know, Volterra had a quote about, you know, doctors are busy trying to cure you while they're trying to heal you by the body's you know, actually curing you itself. So who knows, but I think that Method of Consumption is important based in metabolic function. So if somebody is a poor metabolizer, maybe having sublingual delivery, will bypass liver first pass, and you can get it quicker into your bloodstream, or buckled delivery or some of that something was on your tongue buckle is like, where the jaw bone is. Some people who are poor metabolizers, you know, consume, consumed orally and under deliver takes a long time to metabolize. So those things I can see, but you know, spraying stuff on your feed, unless you have some porous absorption. I'm not sure how that will work.
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Okay. I felt like I should ask but that was actually a very insightful answer for just knowing that the mode of ingestion does Cana kind of change things? I want to talk some of the limitations of of doing a DNA test and pulling stuff out, like where are we at right now with with what we can actually see and what we're still not able to?
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Yeah. So there's a couple of things, diagnostic tests using DNA are still not rarely adopted in the United States. So you can have for informational purposes, but not specific diagnostic. Now, there are some we've used Brock of genes for 50 years, which is a breast cancer predisposition gene for women. So there are some that are diagnostic tests, very few. So more validated assays needs to be published nors a lot, but the FDA has to get much more on board. Now in other parts of world, they're much more readily used. The other thing is, just because you have a genetic predisposition, something to something doesn't mean you're epigenetically expressing that. So my thought was always you have to bookend the experience, and so about measuring. So you have a predisposition, like you were saying magnesium, right? Well, once you supplement once you have a protocol, you have to go back and measure now, are you getting enough magnesium, and how do you measure? Well, there's different ways epigenetic tests, they measure, you know, methylation, methyl groups, etc. There's RNA tests, there's blood tests, plasma, the challenge with blood is your capturing a moment in time. So I went to get my physical, and I get really stressed out when it comes to, you know, give my blood. I don't know why I have tattoos. I'm not afraid of needles, but this whole thing, so I told the doctor know about it, and I went to get my blood test and the woman's like, Do you drink anything? I'm sick. Now. I thought you're not supposed to eat or drink, because now you're supposed to drink water. So she gave me like a little tiny bottle of water. I drank that. And I go in and give my blood test. And then all of a sudden, I hear Hey, hey, you, okay? And then they come in, and they're giving me juice? I'm like, Yeah, I think I'm okay. There's Yeah, so you're passing out? I'm like, Oh, okay. Well, I didn't realize that I was fine. Because now we have to continue to do it again, because I'd pull out the needle. Again, anyway, long story short, as I got my guide with my results, and my doctor is going over there she goes. You have it seems like you have high blood sugar on this test. Everything else is great. I blood sugar. I'm not sure where it is. I'm not really worried about it. Because all your other markers are in place. It's because if you're concerned about I'll prescribe a glucose monitor said Yeah, I'm definitely gonna check it out. So we're a glucose monitor, you put it like on your arm or whatever it is, and you measure glucose levels. Glucose was great spiked a couple of times when I drank some weird coffee or so. But what I'm saying this is when they capture moment time, the stress level that I had from the actual given the blood tests of doing the blood test, and spiked my blood glucose level. So if I were just capturing a moment in time and haven't had another blood test, and everything was out of whack, they could have prescribed something to mill for me to reduce my blood sugar level, which was normal just a moment time. So the way to do it is you measure intervals, you have a predisposition, you have a protocol, you measure and you measure over time, and now you have sort of a timeline. And you can see over next six months to a year, and now you can actually see what's working for you or not.
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Yeah, that. I mean, that makes a lot of sense where I had a blood clot came up from some unknown reason just happen. But they did a blood test. Well, I mean, we do blood tests to try figuring out why I was having a blood clot. But like a month later, I was still like in the healing phase, and like your cholesterol is really high. But it's like but cholesterol should be repairing your veins and arteries and stuff. Right? So like it makes sense that I would have high cholesterol but like the those two weren't pieced together, and they wanted to prescribe me something and I had to say like, I'm not going to take it like because I think this is what's up. And finally we do but yeah, it is interesting, the looking at a moment in time versus the whole like holistic picture of that definitely matters. And
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I think in functional medical professionals that that is really the key, integrative functional, it's really the key to see, well, if I'm doing something here, something else will show up. And if you really take a step back, you think about balance, right? So if you're going to load something on a seesaw, and you're going to put a lot of weight while the other side is going to go up. You have to do something on the other side to balance it out. And if you're just getting if you're just getting one intervention for one focus, something else is going to come To be affected, so all that balance is key. And I forgot to mention in my diatribe on, on, you know, stress and all that stuff, how important recovery is, it is, like, I'm not a good poster child for, for asleep, I don't sleep, you know, five, six hours max, but I measure my quality sleep, quality of sleep more than quantity. If I'm getting my really good, you know, delta theta, really good quality of sleep, I feel better, refreshed in the morning, I can go throughout the day, if you're waking up, and you feel groggy, measure your sleep quality, because that's the quality is hugely important to be able to recover during the day. And you're talking about stress, and anxiety and all those other things. Well, if you're not getting good quality sleep, you can be agitated during the day. And as you sort of on this hamster wheel, and if you have predispositions to things like bruxism, just grind your teeth, which we measure for Well, if you're doing that, well guess what? You're not getting your good quality asleep. And you're still on that hamster wheel. So being able to, you know, work hard, play hard, recover, and, you know, do things that make you happy. Right,
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out of curiosity, what are you using to measure sleep quality? So,
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we have our own device, I use an aura ring, too. But we have our own device called the endo link device. So I use that as well. Fossil
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Yeah, might be something to check out for me. I'm using a microphone on my phone that's next to the bed. So just get like movement and stuff monitoring to track and I think it gives me a pretty good idea. But it can't know my actual like state of sleep, right? The brain proper brainwaves and stuff. So yeah, there's
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a company, that QRadar it's called Bio strap they do they have a sleep lab, they do a pretty good job on that as well. But anything you can do, you can use your Apple Watch, anything you can do to measure but you also have to be honest with yourself and feel you know, your body, your feeling when you wake up, you feel about off? Most likely you didn't Good, good. You didn't get good quality sleep. Did you consume alcohol before? Well, all those factors in effect your quality of sleep. So if you're doing that, once again, the seesaw if you consumed now you have to do something else to be able to recover. So maybe in a couple of days, you know, take some supplements, go on a hike, you know, going by the ocean, read some ocean air, all those things help.
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Awesome. All right, well, it's been a great conversation. I feel like you have a wealth of knowledge that we rarely run into. So let's first I'm going to ask where people can find you. But before we get into that, actually in separate from your book, what do you recommend everybody give a read to?
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Hmm, that's a it's a really, man. I've read so many different books, actually. I'm gonna go back and say, I do not read so many books. I use Audible for so many books. So right now I am finishing Jason Robbins book called overcome. He's a veteran who talks about how to overcome adversity, he got injured. And I think it's fantastic book that I just finished reading. Mel Robbins, take control of your life. I really think the way the audio book was delivered, like therapy sessions, basically, she gives you an insight into speaking to people in what they say. So you sort of you're sitting into a therapy session, and then you see what the results of those are. I really thought that was great. And the latest David Goggins book, I think it's called never finished. Fantastic book, I thought. So those are three that come to mind.
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I haven't listened to any of those. So I just said three books Millis. Thank you. I've said it before. It's a very personal or like, selfish question. I just want more recommendations. I'll give you my list. So what is next for you professionally?
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One of the frustrating things that I've had over the years is this. When you give somebody a protocol recommendation, how do you know that they're going to implement that protocol? So what I want to do is focus on clinics have actual clinics that people go into or through telehealth, depending where they are, get the protocol come back in and we can measure for them. So really, really get good specific information about efficacy of these protocols. So that's sort of the next step. Whole genome sequencing we just validated. Right now we genotype about 675,000 genetic biomarkers snips We're going to 64 million so that's coming soon. And, and then tests that we're already having to can. They're done. It's going to be part of whole genome so your endocannabinoid system, your process nutrient, your supplement. We have a women's health test, where the men's health test, we have a mental health test and a skin report. So all those are coming out as well.
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That's awesome. Like it's finally where can people find you?
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Well, my our websites endo DNA, e n d o dna.com. I'm on all social platforms. Lun Mei, l e n ma y but instagram and twitter I think I'm Len may DNA. So you can find me anywhere there. My book is available on Amazon making cannabis personal. Everything is personal podcast is wherever you get podcasts. And there's also videos in on YouTube. I speak all over the place. So if you if you see if you follow me, you'll know where I'm more talking. If you happen to be in a city, then come see me say hello.
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Yeah, and you can probably find yet some Metallica concerts. You'll
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find me live music venues around LA all the time.
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Awesome. Thanks for joining me and it's been great. Thanks, Chris. Appreciate it. If you enjoyed today's episode, I would love a rating and review on your favorite podcast player. And for more information on how to build effective and efficient teams through your leadership. Visit leading four.com As always deserve it
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