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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. As we see our country become more and more divided, the things that we can do to fix this country seem more and more out of touch. You know, a couple years ago, it was elections or trying to wake people up, but what we're seeing is that while there's been a lot of positive progress, it just seems like almost every day, there's new just absolute chaos. I guess that's the only way to put it all across this nation and that we've become more and more divided.
Seth Holehouse:Even the people that were on the same team a couple of years ago are becoming incredibly divided. And this has me thinking a lot and asking these questions of, well, what can we do? And is it something we can fix externally, or is it something we have to fix internally? And so joining me today is my good friend Mel Kay, who I'm sure you've seen her show. She's a great, fantastic show.
Seth Holehouse:And we're just gonna have a really honest conversation about where the country's at and what we can do to fix the country, because what we're doing right now doesn't doesn't appear to be working. Alright? If you look at where where things are right now. So, folks, please enjoy this interview with Mel Kay. Mel, it is always a pleasure to have you on the show.
Seth Holehouse:Thank you so much for giving us your time today.
Mel K:Well, thank you for having me. I feel like I've been on this journey personally with a couple people, and you're one of them. So it's always a pleasure to be here, and thank you for having me.
Seth Holehouse:Of course. Amber, back to the days. I think it was seeing you on SGT report with your ball cap, but you're out of your New York apartment. It's like, is this okay, girl? And that's where that's where it started.
Seth Holehouse:So at least for my wife and I when we found you. So there's about a million things happening in the world right now. As we approach the election, we've got nuclear war potentially, we've got bird flu, we've got any number of things. But it's interesting how I find that oftentimes when you and I sync up, that you're in a very similar place to me in terms of where your thinking is at. And something that I've been reflecting on a lot lately is how to heal the country.
Seth Holehouse:Like, how to, like, go down this path of bringing we, the people, back together, and it's it's all of us. This is the tricky part is as much as we wanna say that it's it's the liberals or it's the LGBTQ or it's this or it's the whatever it is, that they're they're just more ways of dividing us. And I I I think that a lot of people that are, say, on the conservative side of things or they consider talk show hosts, they add fuel to the flame. Right? And they just they can they have their their sayings, oh, the demon rats and this and the Libtards, and all it does is divide us further.
Seth Holehouse:I'm not saying that we should just adopt be, hey, I'm I'm pro abortion now, and take away the guns. It's not about that, but it's about healing this divide and realizing who's actually trying to destroy us. So I I just I have a feeling that you're in a similar place because we're oftentimes in this you know, when we talk, we're both there. So what are what are your thoughts on that? What do you think about it?
Mel K:Well, that's why I have a book coming out called Americans Anonymous, and the subtitle is restoring power of the people one citizen at a time. And that's why I wrote this book because it's it's heartbreaking to think that politics is dividing people, and making people hate the other side, so called other side, the illusion, in my opinion, of an other side. And what I really did, with my own experience twenty years ago, with recovery itself is I looked at this country, and I thought, god, we have hit rock bottom. We have, and and a saying in in, recovery is we're as sick as our secrets. And this is how I feel about what's happening to this country.
Mel K:And Americans Anonymous is very honestly, what you're talking about is drop the r and d and be the human being that you are. Go inside. My my thesis is that there is a problem, and the problem is us. The problem is the individual American citizen, not actually going inside and analyzing and thinking and deeply, you know, coming to terms with where we are in this country and our individual part in it. Because what is being stolen from all of us equally is individual liberty, individual sovereignty, auto determination, freedom, and, things that, are inalienable rights are all on the table.
Mel K:This is what they want is total, total control. And you and I spend a lot of our time defining for people who they are. And, again, I believe that the DNA of Americans is about people that stand up to bullies, who, don't like to be told that, we need to be controlled or manipulated or behavior modification, all of that, that's the opposite of what America's supposed to be and stand for. And frankly, I am of the belief that the majority of Americans share the same values. Diversity is not our strength.
Mel K:Diversity is our flavor, but our strength is our core values, what we want for our family, our country, our future, our children. And frankly, the way I look at it is when I was younger and you walk into a room of recovery, me when I was in Hollywood, you walk in a room, all of a sudden, the whole anonymous thing is, you know, there's a movie producer that's a billionaire over there and a crack addict from Hollywood Boulevard and another guy that gets up and tells their story, and you think, god, I thought mine was bad and all of that. But everyone in that room is there, a, because they know that there's a problem and the problem is them, and b, they know that there's a higher power that we all share, and c, fellowship. Fellowship, in person fellowship and the exchange of support and love and and understanding and rooting for the other guy. Like, there's just so much to that.
Mel K:And I thought, god, if we can just drop the illusion of left, right, republican, democrat and realize, you know, we are all brothers and sisters in the eyes of god and get back to that, then we can start to solve the things. Because as you know, I do not right now that the government is running this country at all. I honestly believe that we have a public private partnership above the government of globalist aligned billionaires that are running The United States like a parent company, and they are rushing to liquidate this this company that is The United States Of America because their vision is a global vision that benefits them, you know, the global future. A lot of what's going on right now, I feel like, is not what they're telling us. It's actually that they're isolating America and the NATO and Five Eyes nations to be isolated from the rest of the world rather than have these lunatics.
Mel K:Oh, America First is an isolationist thing. No. No. No. What they are doing is isolating the people, all of us.
Mel K:And what is happening for the first time, which I hope the American people can see regardless of where they identify, is that the rest of the world is being told that it is we, the people of The United States, that are the problem. And it because we are not standing up. We are not exercising our rights. We are not standing up against this warmonger machine that is actually talking about nuclear war as if it's an option. We are not standing up against a wide open border united, that that's not enough.
Mel K:And and frankly, I feel like the parent company running America, the intel works for them. The law fair works for them, and we are down here acting as if we are helpless. And what I believe and what my I try to prove in the book is not only are we not helpless, but we are so powerful and so gifted by God and by what we share as common human beings. Forget politics. If we start there, we can actually not only change this country for the better, but quite frankly, we need to rebuild this country from within, and it can be done.
Mel K:There's many, many options to do that. But it's gotta be first and foremost realizing that it's the individual citizen that has allowed this to happen.
Seth Holehouse:Gosh. There's a lot to unpack there, but and I I certainly agree. I mean, I I wholeheartedly agree. And I I'm I did an interview with John Rich recently. I mean, and and it's it's not releasing yet because it's coinciding with a psalm that he's releasing.
Seth Holehouse:But afterwards, we were chatting and and he was going over some scripture with me and, you know, he he kinda asked me this question. It's like, you know, do you basically, in essence, was, do you think it's our fault? Right? Do you think what's happening in this country is our fault? And I say actually, I said, yeah.
Seth Holehouse:I do. Like, I really believe that the the good people, the God fearing people in this country that it's our fault. Because we have, like, I think, you know, by and large, we've found the truth. We we know right from left. We know male from female.
Seth Holehouse:And but we I think that a lot times, though, we've taken that, and we've given ourselves as higher moral ground. We have the truth. And and I'm sure you see it a lot with people you meet in the truth community. Look at these comments, and it's like, they're they're convinced that they know exactly how the world works, and it's like, how dare you not mention this without mentioning the Zionists and this, and and and it it's like there's such just, like, venom in in in this this arrogance and thinking that we know it all because we've been red pilled. But I think that it's actually it's our responsibility.
Seth Holehouse:It's our responsibility, I think, to have compassion for people that haven't found the truth. I mean, which one of us, right, you know, it's like, you know, don't don't, you know, throw stones, live in a glass house. Like, which one of us, you know, has been awakened to the truth of the entire world our entire life. Right? I mean, I I had no idea what was going on in the world when I was younger.
Seth Holehouse:Right? I just I looked at things, and I was very confused, and you believed a lot of the mainstream lies, and so it's like, there's a point in my life when I woke up to it, so wouldn't I myself wanna have compassion for my formal self? That former self that hadn't woken up to it, and try to kinda kindly guide that person into understanding what's happening. But instead, I think that a lot of us are like, look how great I am. I've I've I've enlightened to the all the red pill truths I know about, you know, the the the the 13 bloodlines and all this kind of stuff, and it's created this extra divide, actually.
Seth Holehouse:But what do you what do you think about that?
Mel K:Well, like, my whole theory about that America needs an intervention and to do a lot of the things that actually help people recover from other things. I think, when I identify the addiction, it's the conflict and chaos. And, and I identify who are the dealers, who are the suppliers, who are all of that. And I I think that we've been under a massive psychological operation all the way back to the murder of JFK, if not before. And, you know, this is decades in the making what we're dealing with now.
Mel K:We're at the that end goal game, that eleventh hour, I believe, for our country. And, like, with all of that, we need to take a a inventory of how we got here. They call it in in recovery moral and fearless inventory, but that needs to happen because we do have to make an amends for a lot of things that we were deceived on and and admitted. I think a lot of people are afraid to admit, the truth about what has been going on in our country for many, many years. And, you know, my belief is that both Bush's Clinton, Obama, and Biden are all involved in the globalist plans and have been the entire time, that this has been a slow burn from when, HW stepped on the floor of the United Nations, announced that there would be a new world order led by the United Nations, and everyone clapped and thought, kumbaya, and that is not what he meant.
Mel K:What he meant is actually what we're dealing with now. I think it's that realization. But the other thing that is really important and if we wanna heal this country is humility. Humility is, you know, this whole thing about pride. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins, and and, you know, arrogance walks with pride, and both of them are to the downfall of whoever is is living that way.
Mel K:For me myself, my early years in LA, I had to go through a lot, and and I I ended up at a place of rock bottom and and really having to deal with humility and admit that, you know, there was a problem, and, of course, the problem was me. And and I think that every American citizen really has to understand that that what is also happening, and and I'm glad you brought this up because it's important, is, the vitriol, the toxic, energy, the toxic hatred, the the arrogance, the abuse, all of that is designed to make us sick, make us unable to act, to make us, unwilling. You know? They say people fear public humiliation more than they fear death, you know, a lot of people. And and that is where a lot of this lies.
Mel K:And I agree with you, and it's hard to watch, some of the biggest names that are most promoted and have the biggest voices and the hugest Twitter feeds or whatever, not really understand that there this isn't about us versus them. This is about, you know, all of us coming together and accepting that our country has been usurped and taken over, that we, the people of The United States, have allowed it to happen. A lot of it by design. You know, there's a lot of things, including reality TV in my in my estimation. I worked in it in the very beginning, for multiple years, but, in California.
Mel K:But there's other things. There's been a, they've turned, basically, politics into gladiator blood sport in front of our eyes. We've watched it. The the money that is involved in elections and in is out of control. We have all watched as, legalized bribery known as lobbying has been allowed, which should be completely illegal and is the biggest thing that usurps our rights.
Mel K:We've watched this, bureaucratic unelected, unconstitutional growth of agencies that are taking our liberties left and right. And, basically, everyone has been in a state of learned helplessness of, well, there's nothing I can do, so why would I bother? I mean, more often than not, I hear people say, well, I'm just one person. What can I do? Well, if every one person thought that and thought, well, what can I do and actually did something, we'd be in a lot different place?
Mel K:And there's a lot of, you know, keyboard warriors out there. Well, I shared and I liked and I commented and all that. Well, that's not gonna move the needle. What's gonna move the needle is actually getting together with people in real life. And my suggestion in my book is kind of, Americans Anonymous type meetings in every, community out there, freedom watch movements that are more about, you know, there's no leave leave your, alliance or your tribal nonsense outside.
Mel K:Come in as a single human being. You know? Mel Kay here. I'm an American. And, what's going on, and how do we fix it, as people?
Mel K:And and I think we really need to also redefine our relationship with the government itself. It has been manipulated that, these people that are senators or congressmen or governors, and this is through TV and media as well, but they're just people. They're just people that chose a different path. And and quite honestly, I would never, in a million years, ever wanted to choose choose that path. They did, but that doesn't make them any different superior or more entitled or more than us.
Mel K:It's just that they chose that path. And we gotta redefine what government is, which is they are administrators of the business of the country or the state. And it should be a job, not an elevated status. And we really have to redefine it, but I believe that that happens first within every single individual. And then from that point on spreading that into their sphere of influence wherever that is and and really going at it with instead of with the toxic hatred.
Mel K:Because I look at the view in MSNBC and CNN as they are abusing their audience, not only by not telling them the truth or, or wanting them to be prepared for actual real things that are happening, but also because they spew at them toxic hatred. And toxic hatred goes into your soul, and it it ruins everything that you are. It causes so much pain and ugliness, whether you know it or not subconsciously. And they're in an abusive relationship with with their media. And, again, I just really believe that it's turning the other way.
Mel K:Like you're saying, going back to love and compassion, empathy. But with that, you need humility. And humility saying, you know what? I'm just a single individual. I'm open.
Mel K:I want to figure things out. I wanna be part of the solution. And if you start thinking that way and start actively changing your mind, using mindfulness, really actually stopping yourself in your tracks and saying, Do I really believe that? What what what what what evidence do I have that that's true? And and, again, the people out there that are still like them, them, it's them, it's them, it's them.
Mel K:I don't think that's moving the needle. I think we we need to start saying more what we're saying, which is no. It's actually us that is allowing this to happen.
Seth Holehouse:I also think that so many of their actions are just to elicit a response within, say, the the right. Right? So you look at the recent you know, there's a the viral video, I think, that Dylan Mulvoney's or, you know, the one dude that's, you know, kind of the famous, you know, woman that Bud Light was with and everything. So it was his hairdresser, this bearded lady looking person Yep. Was at the White House with Camilla, and and you look at okay.
Seth Holehouse:You look at, okay, we got Kim Jong Un, you know, throwing a huge parade for Putin. Right? Two, like, massive, you know, potential enemies of The United States that have nuclear capabilities and the ability to, you know, wipe us off the face of the earth. And that's what's happening in these countries, yet you have this happening in the White House. And so, obviously, I think there's they're sending a message globally.
Seth Holehouse:And I think a part of that is that it's, you know, the the the controllers, the social engineers, they're doing that to to communicate the weakness of America and the weakness of our government to the enemies around the world. So it's like it's almost like the wolves now see that the the tiger has a giant cut on its leg, and they're they're seeing it, you know, whimpering. It's like, okay, they can they can start to move in. But the other thing is that I think that so much of this is also a social engineering to create this anger and hatred within the right in this country. And this this desire for justice that I think actually as much as the right is seemingly very anti communist or anti totalitarian government, actually, their hatred for, you know, Bill Gates, Fauci, the left, the all this stuff happening.
Seth Holehouse:Right? And a lot of it is, you could say, is rightfully so. But that hatred, that desire for justice that is beyond, I think, what what you would call a, you know, kind of stable place is being pushed into a very extreme place. If that reaction happens, and all of a sudden we have violence or, you know, let's just say, hypothetically, someone, you know, publicly, you know, you have an assassination of a key hated, you know, person that represents the the deep state in America, hypothetically, right? It could unwind, and that right there could be what brings in totalitarian systems into America.
Seth Holehouse:As much as we think it's like, oh, it's the left, they're gonna do it, they're trying to bring in communism. Well, the unhinged, you know, like that, you know, foaming at the mouth need for re revenge of of rightfully seeing our country fall to where it is right now, I think is is potentially an even greater weakness that could lead to totalitarianism in this country.
Mel K:I agree with you on multiple levels. And I I think that also it is the because, you know, for me, I I believe that the country is is captured totally. I don't think there's left and right Republican and Democrat. What I actually believe is going on here is that there's a public private partnership, of aligned globalist billionaire oligarch types that are above the government right now and are running America like it's they're like they're the parent company of The United States, and they're liquidating the country as fast as possible because their future, financially and in every other way lies beyond America. And if the people could understand on both sides that that is what's happening here, that the controlled demolition of America is actually a plan and that it is playing out while we are fighting each other, while we are pointing fingers, while we are sharing, you know, that video of Kamala and the straight guy, whatever that those guys were or or while we're in outrage because of this or that or the other thing, these people are are moving straight ahead with agenda 2030.
Mel K:I mean, they are they are going full steam ahead to collapse America. I frankly believe a lot of what's going on, and when they yell and scream about America First or this, it's isolationist. I actually believe that the parent company running The United States, I think led by Larry Fink and his friends at his equal important to BlackRock because I see very little daylight between BlackRock and the World Economic Forum and his position in both. But what I do see is I believe they're isolating us. And and if they do isolate us and I'm talking about with the sanctions against Russia.
Mel K:Now they're threatening sanctions against Saudi I mean, China, and they have sanctions against all these other countries. And what people don't know is the state department has been trying export the LGBTQ plus to all of these countries, 50 of them that don't want it there. USAID, billions of dollars into sovereign nations to manipulate their elections and their and their populace, billions and billions of dollars. And what they're actually doing, in my opinion, is they're they're isolating us. And if people looked at it that way and thought, wait a minute.
Mel K:The parent company that's running America is running a fast as possible liquidation and destruction, controlled demolition of America, a, why? And, b, are these moves harming The United States, our reputation around the world, how people see this country, and all of that, and then realize that the financial sanctions also are limiting us and putting us into this box because now it's the NATO nations and the Five Eyes nations against the rest of the world. The rest of the world, aligned as they are aligning. You brought up North Korea, then Putin went to Vietnam. G is also doing the same things, and then they're getting back together every month or two, the two of them, to show the solidarity.
Mel K:You, the people of The United States, because of these these divides, are not seeing that we are being alienated and isolated from the rest of the world to our own demise, to our own detriment by design on purpose is my opinion. And, these guys pushing towards World War three and upping the ante and still lying about Ukraine and and they have a fake, you know, peace thing in in Switzerland. The bottom line is these people that are that are running the parent company because they're I believe there's two. There's the parent company running America where I believe Larry Fink and a bunch of guys are at the top, and then they're aligned with the international banking cartel and the Davos crew. And, again, the CCP is in on that.
Mel K:The the the Russian Russian oligarchy, Putin, they're in on agenda 02/1930. Okay. So what we have to understand is that the one thing they need is us. So if we are divided and not actually fighting the real threat and the real enemy and are fighting each other, we all lose, not left and right, not republican and democrat. All of us lose because right now, the the that old thing where Trump's like, they're not after me.
Mel K:They're after you, and I'm in the way. I am telling everyone as loud as I can, they're not after America. They're after the world, and America is in the way. And without taking down America and getting America on board for the digital track and trace surveillance totalitarian agenda 2030 end goal, which, of course, Biden Harris, right on the website, committed to leading the world to agenda 2030, well, people just are not being told the truth. All they're talking about on the left is Trump.
Mel K:But if you go look at the 30 executive orders and look at all the global pacts that they're making and their their commitment to the global goals, you're gonna see the twenty twenty five election for the other side is to achieve agenda 2030. There is no doubt about this in my mind. And remember, Klaus Schwab called Joe Biden on stage in 2016 in front of the entire world economic forum and said that Joe Biden was the most committed of the Americans to agenda 2030. So the whole issue here is also that the people on the right that have the loudest voices and the biggest numbers and the biggest amount of followers don't even mention it. They don't even mention the truth of what and why this is happening to America.
Mel K:They're pointing at the other side when it has absolutely nothing to do with either side. And and that is why that is that is why the globalists at this point, in my opinion, are getting away with everything is because the people are still being hypnotized to believe that their side's right when there are no sides.
Seth Holehouse:You also mentioned something important there in talking about China and Russia. And it was like what I'm seeing as well is as we've seen this alignment of the the BRICS nations and, you know, their campaign, the dedollarization, you know, the entirety of of this separation between, you know, BRICS, NATO, America, you know, these these big alliances forming. Right? It looks like it's building up to be a a massive World War two, right, of a versus b. And now we know though that all wars are bankers wars.
Seth Holehouse:Right? We know that these wars are absolutely intentional. Actually, I just finished an interview before this with Martin Armstrong. And he's like, yeah. He's like, they need they need war because the currency is gonna collapse.
Seth Holehouse:So they need a reason to wipe out all the debt, and so they can, you know, then bring in that war does that, and then they bring in CBDC. He's like, so of course, need war, right? That's that's their solution. I think that it's also what I'm seeing is that people still fall into these traps, even the trap of thinking, oh, you look at, you know, this Putin speech, and Putin, he's, you know, he's he's calling out the the evils of the West. He's calling out the evils of America.
Seth Holehouse:Right? And China might be doing similar. But also, there's this disconnect in people understanding that actually a lot of the evils that we're seeing here are because of communists and KGB and CCP agents that infiltrated and did a lot of these things. So it's it's almost like, how is that different than the FBI planting pornography on someone's laptop, and they go and seize the laptop and say, Look, you're guilty. It's like, Well, you were complicit in actually setting it up, which is really, you know, these communist nations have been very complicit working together with the globalist to bring this down.
Seth Holehouse:And so I'm seeing though that there's a lot of people within the, you know, alternative news, you know, community that are cheering on bricks and saying, oh, well, America deserves to fall because we're the corrupt deep state, and the bricks, they wanna go back to, you know, gold backed currency, and and look at Putin. He's talking about Christianity. But what I think they're not seeing in this, what what concerns me is that, like, America is the big bully on the playground. And what happens is that there the there's a certain order that exists when there's a single bully that runs a playground. And you'll have the entire other playground team up to take down the big bully.
Seth Holehouse:But once that happens, there's a whole new shuffling of power that happens after that. It's not like the bully falls down, everyone's like, oh, we have peace now. No, two other bullies rise up, they create their clicks, and so that's my concern is that I I really feel like that that the the the banking cartels, the corporations, the, you know, the the globalist organizations, UN, WEF, etcetera, I agree to you. I think that they're working very closely behind the scenes with the BRICS nations, with China, with this, you know, with the CCP, with Russia, to because it takes it's like it's like a whole world effort to collapse The United States. Because then it's like, you know, that could be China's deal.
Seth Holehouse:It's like, okay. Yeah. We'll help you. We'll fund help fund Russia. We'll help fund Putin's war in Ukraine.
Seth Holehouse:We'll help you achieve this collapsing, but we wanna be in charge when it's done. And then, you know, maybe the bankers are like, okay, look, you know, well, we're gonna be secretly in charge, but we'll let you be in charge. And so it's just it's layers upon layers of deception. But, I mean, what are your thoughts on all that?
Mel K:Well, my thoughts on all that are that's the enemy we're dealing with. We're dealing with an enemy, in my opinion. And when I say the enemy, I mean, panic call them the parent company of planet Earth, where they are all working together because, like I said, I think without America collapsing or or getting on on board, which is the collapse, which is the only way that I believe they think that they can, make us get on board with the global public, digital infrastructures, how they're they're planning to control this. In my opinion, we have to really, take a step back. And, again
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Mel K:There are people running our country that are aligned in this. But, again, I I do not think that this this group I call them the fourth Reich because I I studied enough the third Reich, and I see the the parallels in the end goal. But what I'm telling you is, that I believe that this group is unique in history because they have no allegiance to any nation. They have no allegiance to any flag, any religion, to any people, to any ideology. It is power for power's sake because they feel they are entitled to it because they have captured basically the entire monetary system in their control.
Mel K:And and they continue to capture through the World Health Organization, through the climate stuff, through the endless wars, and all that money is going into the same pot, into the same hands all the way up to the BIS, which is an opaque institution that has some kind of deal similar to the Vatican for whatever reason. But I I do believe that this group is power for power's sake and consolidating all money, power, natural resources, security, everything in their hands. And then because they have the technology and they've captured Silicon Valley and technology and all of that, then to put it all into a system where it's controlled by AI and digital public infrastructure that's interoperable. So they want the global digital ID. So, I mean, what we really do have to understand is at the top of most of the UN agencies at this point and certainly in at Davos is the CCP.
Mel K:But, again, like you're saying, envision a world where they remove, say, America. Right? And and right now, I honestly I believe that Larry Fink is is the most powerful person in America, and he's don't forget that BlackRock is using, for whatever reason this is not being dealt with, is using American taxpayer pension funds and funding things like military industrial complex companies in China and EV plants with China in Mexico. And yet Larry Fink shows up at the Switzerland, peace conference that they didn't invite Russia to, which was obviously not a peace conference. And, again, the American people are still fighting amongst themselves about Trump or Biden.
Mel K:And it's like, wait. If you wanna know who's really running the country, look at the endgame. But what I do also believe, just like with Mao or anyone else, if they did have this this pipe dream, which I don't believe will ever happen by god's grace, but of America falling to any extent and and the rising up of them, what then? Do you think that the Muslim brotherhood that's funding things from Qatar is gonna be like, fine. Let China run it.
Mel K:Or or the CCP is gonna be like, you know what? Let the billionaires in Davos run it. Or the no. No. No.
Mel K:The hell on earth, the fires and brimstone on earth taking out America would be hell on earth. The level of them fighting each other for who's gonna run things would be so we we can't even imagine. Okay? And that that is really what people have to understand because the long game is that everyone at the end of the day sees themselves running the next phase. I do believe that, you know, Fink and the CCP, and possibly even Putin and them are all involved in the idea that BRICS is the future, and and yet he's still running American taxpayer pension funds through his $11,000,000,000,000, you know, blacks BlackRock and Vanguard, funding a lot of stuff.
Mel K:And I'm telling you, I also believe that they're funding a lot of stuff that have to do with the Belt and Road Initiative. And yet the American people should be able to unite with like, wait a minute, what? What happened here? Because do you know that the number two in the Obama administration underneath underneath Blinken, who Blinken is a trilateral guy and a Soros guy, first and foremost, but the guy underneath him that is running our fire and policy with China right now, this Donilon guy, he was the head of BlackRock Global Institute, Global Investment Institute. So and then you see all the deals with the EV and the and it's all benefiting that.
Mel K:They are this is a global public private partnership running America like a company that needs to be liquidated because they're moving to a different model. I mean, if people fully got that, it's so blatantly obvious once you see it, and yet we're all sitting here while that guy is over there instead of Joe Biden representing America at the Swiss peace conference. You know? I mean, look. If we don't start really calling things what they are and, frankly, I think that the entire intelligence blob that was spawned from the unconstitutional Patriot Act and is now literally, as Tucker said on his show, has captured all three branches and many, many state governments through blackmail and bribery and and every single American citizen right now is being spied on, if if there's even a suggestion of opening a file.
Mel K:None of this is okay. And the only way it stops if we is if we start start going directly for the problem. The problem is that a bunch of globalist billionaires are funding all these NGOs, all this lawfare that's coming out of Brookings, which, you know, got in trouble for taking money from Qatar or the CCP, you know, and and the other ones that that are running there, all those people in the lawfare group. And the intelligence community seems to be working for the parent company because anyone that is pro America, pro borders, pro peace through strength, pro peace is a problem. And and it's just if people and like you said, I just I mean, I see these big guys yelling and screaming, we're gonna get this.
Mel K:We're gonna get them. Does it really matter if our country is being liquidated and the controlled demolition is happening by a an authority that's above government and being allowed to function because none of us are looking at them.
Seth Holehouse:Exactly. Exactly. So what what do we what do we do about this? Right? Because, obviously, you and I have both, I I think, formed some sort of belief that, okay, this is there's an information war, and we needed to help, you know, first off, get the truth out to people, educate people, help them see what's really behind the scenes, who the real enemy is.
Seth Holehouse:Like, that's part of it. But in the grand scheme of things, we're we're reaching this tiny sliver of the population, unfortunately. Right? I'd love to be, you know, have know, I'd love to be on YouTube right now with a hundred thousand live viewers. I know.
Seth Holehouse:Like like the channels that have somehow managed to do that on YouTube. Right? They they I'm not sure what kind of deals are signed back in the back doors, but we're not. Right? So, you know, your book, Americans Americans Anonymous.
Seth Holehouse:Right? So my my brother I I never went through that. My brother did you know, he was an addict and what so I went and I watched his steps he went through, and there's, you know, very practical steps that you go through to heal and and to to to rebuild and to, you know, rebuild your relationships and everything. And so if if America itself is sick, what's the process of fixing it? I mean, because it feels like oftentimes when you look at it's not even David versus Goliath.
Seth Holehouse:It's like, it's David versus an army of 10,000 Goliaths. Like, it feels like it's that big, just the average person here in America up against these trillion dollar budgets, up against these these agencies, up against, you know, every every, you know, blackmailed politician and judge and legal system and everything. So what's the path forward? I mean, it's certainly not just gonna be, hey. Vote Trump back in, and he's gonna fix it all.
Seth Holehouse:Right?
Mel K:No. No. God. No. I mean, the truth is Trump is sand in the gears of the globalist takeover, but, you know, that would be a start.
Mel K:We need to dismantle. Listen. Whatever we have going on in DC is a total and complete failure. It's failed. And, certainly, the project for a new American century had a lot to do with the endless wars.
Mel K:They failed. Their foreign policy was a failure. They should have been instead of spending that money putting bases all over and endless wars, they should have spent that money countering the Belt and Road Initiative and bringing positive, change to places by building infrastructure like China did. And they did not do that. They did not heed that.
Mel K:Most of these people are dead, but they failed. So all of these systems are running on a failed model right now. Everything that they did failed, okay, as far as I'm concerned from top to bottom. And first, we have to admit that. So the first thing is admitting that you have a problem.
Mel K:The second thing is identifying what that problem is and also, leaning on your higher power and your and fellowship is a huge part of it. But, for me, as I say, I think that, the biggest thing in America is that we're as sick as our secrets, which is also in a recovery thing. And, to me, I think that, the federal government, for whatever reason, has no business hiding from the American people the truth about JFK or RFK or MLK or Jeffrey Epstein or, any of the other things that happen. If people wanna dig further into the documents of nine eleven or of Hillary Clinton's laptop or what happened in Benghazi or any of these crimes, this should all be the best way for this country to heal is to have full transparency to the American people of exactly how we got here, the exact nature of our wrongs, a fearless and moral inventory of facts because the facts are out there, and they are hidden from the people, and they use their intel media to continue to hide from the people. I feel like if the first of all, I have learned over the years, but I am convinced of this, that when something is hidden from the people for reasons of national security, it's because our government committed crimes, and, that should not be okay.
Mel K:Redacted things that are covering up crimes that our government committed should not be redacted. Like I said, we have to change our relationship with the government. The government should not be above the people, and therefore, the government should not be hiding from the people the truth about what's happened in this nation. It shouldn't be up to somebody to decide to declassify something. No.
Mel K:No. No. And for me, I think we have to have a real push for transparency. Don't tell me you're hiding JFK's documents because what would happen would explode people. Fine.
Mel K:Rip off the scab and let it all flow, you know, at this point. The FBI apparently and then everything that was spawned from the, diabolical in my my opinion, because I know the Patriot Act was written well before 09/11, and that that was instituted for exactly what it's doing, which is turning our country into big brother surveillance state. It was I believe, even if we had the intentions in the beginning were about undefined terrorists, certainly when Holder and Obama came in and opened the, national security division of the DOJ to be the partner of NSA and DHS, Privacy was gone in America. Again, the American people have to understand, not me or you. Everyone has been violated.
Mel K:Look. A lot of us agreed with the government to have a license, a birth certificate, and a Social Security card. Beyond that, the government is not entitled to any of our data. None of it. They are not entitled to know what's going on in my house, what I do with my kids, what I say to my husband.
Mel K:They're not entitled to it. And yet we've all accepted that this is the way it is, you know? And that's why I say that the And I go through in the book also rewiring your brain. I mean, you know, we have brains that have been It's like, there's ways to do that with the neuroplasticity and everything in our brain. Like, we have been programmed, literally programmed.
Mel K:And that's why I align it with, what is the addiction? In my opinion, it's conflict and chaos. And and how do you deal with that addiction? And I go through that that same pattern that you would in in recovery from drugs or alcohol or gambling or whatever else because I believe we are addicted to it. And I believe that, one of the worst drugs now is that addiction is is being fed on social media, obviously.
Mel K:And and then above that, well, who's the dealer? And then who's the supplier? And that's what I try to break down in the book, which is you are addicted to something that is destroying not just you inside, but is it destroying this country and, frankly, the world. And and that addiction is in the way on on a massive scale. So for me, at this point and and what I and I bring things in from the Federalist Papers.
Mel K:I bring in NRAN I rent. I bring in, you know, John Mills. I bring in, you know, Adams, Jefferson, you know, many different people, people from all over the world, what they say about individual liberty. Individual liberty is the one thing that people should be taking very personally. The infringement on their individual liberty or their, inalienable rights.
Mel K:And so for me, yes, we have a sliver. And and believe me, I I do not understand, a, I am completely suppressed and unable to grow on x. So tell me that's a free speech platform, and I tell you that is total BS. It is being they are picking and choosing who has a voice on there, and that should be very noticeable to most people that are out there. But, also, the thing with YouTube and both of us getting kicked off and all that and the people that remain, if you notice, a lot of those people, they never even talk about what we're talking about, let alone name names.
Mel K:But worse than that, they put up just enough BS to discredit themselves and yet to keep them out there. So, again, this is all chaos. This is all order out of chaos by the powers that be, that those that are running the controlled demolition of America. So to me, I think a transparency, first and foremost, about the sins of the past. You might not wanna hear it, but I'll tell you what.
Mel K:I'm seeing things popping up luckily about Benghazi. I think that that's the worst war crime we've ever committed in my in my lifetime was going into Libya and why we really went into Libya, but also all the way back to a project for a new American century and what their plans were. The American people don't even know about it. The American people don't know that Obama signed us onto agenda twenty thirty without telling the American people that it was a global governance model of the future that, you know, would have to be policed by AI and surveillance. I mean, there's just so many things that that the American people have been lied to equally.
Mel K:You know? The facts and the truth are the facts and the truth. And the fear of putting out I I remember Trump said something like, well, if I put out the JFK files, you know, it was so bad I couldn't put it out. Well, who are you to decide what's so bad? Who is Chuck Schumer to say, well, I can't put that out there.
Mel K:It would be too dangerous. For who? For who? Because the rest of the world would then see no. No.
Mel K:No. We should be striving for the American people to have the facts of our history laid out so that we can find a better way forward. And and frankly, a lot of things that are going on could be easily changed just by doing one thing, which is following The United States constitution and and and making the constitution the law of this land again, and anything unconstitutional dismantle. But, again, there's many other solutions. Like when you and I travel around the country, Rob and I drive, we've driven through 30 states.
Mel K:There are literally probably hundreds of thousands of farms that are totally abandoned. There are towns, I mean, that have main streets totally abandoned and houses totally abandoned and factories. How can this be? We're sending $200,000,000,000 overseas, we're not rejuvenating all of that. Like, it's just it's just all this stuff.
Mel K:And if you if people just could take a step back, get into the recovery mindset, want the change to be themselves first and then what they can do, and look at the the country in ways that is solution oriented, we might have a shot. But, again, I think we're in the eleventh hour. And, like you said, the people that have the loudest voices on our in our, if there is a right, but in the conservative side, they're just not they're not they're not concerned, I don't think, with, uniting the country, which needs to be the goal.
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Seth Holehouse:And how do you think that plays into our personal relationships? Because this is I think that especially post COVID, I know that even within my own family, there's people that wouldn't talk to me. You know, there's, you know, there's people that won't like, there's the the division that they've done, which is brilliant, right, from a social engineering perspective. But, like, what COVID did is it made this it brought this topic in that divided us way more than we were divided before, where Yeah. You couldn't even talk to somebody about it.
Seth Holehouse:Now I find now that the people that wouldn't even hear me out then are now coming back and saying, so you were talking about this thing, and and and, you know, I had this friend that had this experience, and so it's changing. But I I think that that because, like, to me, that's where the battle is. Right? The battle ultimately is in our own selves, or it's in our own souls, but it's in our own homes. It's in our in our immediate community.
Seth Holehouse:It's in the interactions with the school board. Like, that's where the battle is. And and if if we're not divided at that level, how can we expect to be sorry. If we're united at that level, how can we expect to have any unity in this country at all? So, like, what would your the perspective of, you know, America's Anonymous and and the healing, what's that look like in the day to day?
Seth Holehouse:Because that's where people can change their behavior, like, right now, and they can start making improvements.
Mel K:Exactly. And I'm a I'm a big fan of the actual meetings. You know? So for me, there is the model of like I said, when I when I was younger and I first and I, you know, I don't wanna go to a meeting. I said, stupid.
Mel K:I'm not going. And then you walk in, and it's like a miracle. You're like, wait a minute. There's all these people. There nobody nobody gives a crap about class or color or, you know, there's a movie producer.
Mel K:There's a billionaire there. There's a guy that, you know, lived on the street and was a crack addict in Hollywood Boulevard. And the minute you walk in, you walk through the door, you sit down, you're surrounded by people that admit to themselves that they have a problem and admit to themselves that the problem is them. And it's it's it's such a freeing. Like, I mean, it's like, You're like, wait a minute.
Mel K:I'm in a room full of people that have a problem, know the problem's them, know they can't solve it alone, and are willing, have come here humbly to find a better solution forward. And so I think starting freedom oriented nonpolitical groups that like, for politics is a complete disaster. We have to redefine what politics is, but community is something that we need to get back to, and we need to get back to knowing our neighbors and and decentralizing and not being so dependent on a government that was never supposed to be dependent upon. And, for me, there's a lot of that. Now when it comes to the family, and I have a whole chapter about this, and I talk about a book that really helped me when I was, you know, younger, twenty years ago, called the language of letting go, and it's it's a great book by Melody Beatty.
Mel K:And I read it still to this day every morning with my my serenity prayer and my lord's prayer and then my my reading for the day. And what's that what that's about is that, you know, language of letting go and and what I talk about when it comes to this is that it is so easy to let go of of those negative feelings and and repair your relationships if you want to. You know, this is also an inside job, and you can't and just like with making amends in AA with, like, the steps that are the hardest for people. You know? There's a part in AA where it's a moral moral and fearless inventory, which I think our country has to do.
Mel K:And then after that, there's, you know, going to the people that you harmed and making amends. And these are things that require a tremendous amount of of humility, but also self being true true true to yourself. I mean, most people are lying to themselves about their own participation in the alienation with family and friends. And, again, this was to silo us into different, this is what the military does. This is what they do in big pharma.
Mel K:This is what they do in big science. They silo people that are working on bigger projects and don't tell them you're creating this, but because then they would have a moral problem, but they just say, oh, well, you're creating this component or you're creating this, you know, trigger or you're and none of the people know that everyone is working together to create some kind of terrible bomb, you know, and that's kind of what we're dealing with. We're all being siloed. And as, you know, the person who inspired me the most, Hannah Arendt, what she said too about totalitarianism is that the totalitarian movements, they understand that the best way to, get people in is to, isolate and loneliness. Isolation and loneliness are the entryways for totalitarianism.
Mel K:So if you start listening thinking about that and then you go to your own or for me, to my own learning of recovery, then it's okay. So I need to admit my part. Like, what did I do? And and be humble enough and want to repair the relationship enough to be the first person to reach out. You know, a lot of this, again, is about people's fear of being rejected, humiliated, whatever.
Mel K:But I'll tell you what, even if you go to make amends with somebody and they reject it or they don't wanna hear from you or whatever, you cleared the path. And I think a lot more people have to start clearing the path back to their heart and back to love and back to connections and back to community and friends and neighbors and all of that that we were purposely isolated from through psychological silos or actual silos of, the divide and conquer color revolution behavior modification model that has been, you know, used on a military scale against all of us. But the first step is to say, I'm brave enough to be the first one to make the move. I think a lot of people are suffering out there, from loneliness and isolation because they're scared to take the first step to heal the divide. And and that is really that's, again, that's the whole topic of this entire show is about, I think, at the end of the day, humility and admitting that you that we're human, and we're all fallible, and we're all at different we come from different perspectives, different backgrounds, different experience, different tragedies, different wins, and and everybody's coming at it alone.
Mel K:I mean, you know, you don't you gotta come at it alone. You gotta separate yourself from whatever tribe or pack and really value. And, again, like you said, this has a lot to do with self worth and and self esteem and all these things that they've decided don't matter, you know, in this kind you know, we were raised by parents that cared about us having good self esteem, good self worth, good boundaries, all that stuff. Well, it all got so messed up that it really you really have to go back to where am I robbing myself of joy? You know?
Mel K:Is this worth worrying about? How many hours today am I going to to give to despising my neighbor? You know? Or and that's where I think it's at. I think it's a return to love, and and let letting go isn't about saying isn't about admitting defeat.
Mel K:Letting go isn't about saying it's okay. Letting it go isn't isn't about any of that. Letting go is about healing yourself and and letting go of the anger and the and you know what? It's so easy once you make the commitment to let go of it. And you know what?
Mel K:People are gonna fight their own battle ahead for whatever choices they made during the pandemic. But you know what? Suffering now from lost relationships is only you hurting yourself. And, I mean, if we had more people that fully understood that, and that's why I suggest Liberty and Freedom Watch groups in neighborhoods and and neighbor activities again and and really reinvesting in, you know, whatever it is that we did in the twenties and thirties and fifties. All of that stuff is still fun and awesome.
Mel K:And and, know, we don't have to go into this Ready Player One metaverse. That's choice. You know? And and like I said, there's there's I mean, there's venture capitalists that could literally buy a town in Ohio that's been abandoned, rebuild it for a couple million dollars, invite people that are suffering elsewhere, and build an entire new town. I mean, there's opportunity everywhere.
Mel K:So if we could start with us and let go of the toxic stuff, doesn't mean you forgive. I mean, it doesn't mean you forget. It means you and you don't even have to forgive, but you just realize it's not serving you anymore. It's not serving you. And a lot of things that we have accepted in this country are not serving us or the Lord or our neighbors or anything positive.
Mel K:So we really do have to take a inventory of what's no longer serving us personally and as a nation and and really get together and say, you know what? I look at, you know, when this nation thrived and when the industry was thriving and entrepreneurship and all we can have that back if we decide to. It's just it's really about, like I said, needing an intervention and basically looking at things through the lens of what was my part, what can I do different, and and humility? Because I think we need it not just individually and certainly in families and communities, but we need it for the whole country. And, certainly, we need to find a better way forward for the people that we hire to run this country.
Mel K:But it starts with us, and it starts with family and community.
Seth Holehouse:I think that a key that I'd I'd frame things with is empathy as well. Empathy. I mean, and that's what they don't want us to have. That's why they wanna fuel this hatred, because you can't have empathy if you have hate. When you look at these people, and this is what I I've been trying to really work on this a lot with myself, you come to this place where you realize that, like, everyone's just suffering.
Seth Holehouse:Like, you look across America, people are suffering. You even, you go to a demonstration, you see some Antifa person with whatever sign they have, and you want to hate that person, but what you realize is that that person's suffering. They haven't been given the truth. They went to a liberal school. They've been in doctrine since they were little kids.
Seth Holehouse:They were put on psychiatric meds at at 13. Right. They they they're confused about their gender. Like, they're just reacting. They're they're so lost.
Seth Holehouse:Like, they're they're they're still human though, and and they're suffering or, you know, you you look at say, you go to you walk past as a the Pride parade, and you see some guy out there that's cross dressing, and it's so easy. It's so easy to hate that person. Well, it's like, you have no idea. Like, that guy could have been raped by his uncle from age three until And he could be so damaged sexually. You you have no idea the amount of suffering that person's been through.
Seth Holehouse:And he's and he's trying no. No. I'm not justify. I'm not saying it's okay. But, like, behind everybody is a story, is a person.
Seth Holehouse:And and it's like like, we we have to try to get into that, and and that's how we have to heal. And, again, I'm not condoning it. I'm not saying that we should just let whatever happens in, hey, let's just turn to Sodom and Gomorrah, but I think it's about it's about being human again. It's about bringing this Yeah. Empathy back into ourselves.
Seth Holehouse:Because when you have that, you can't have hatred. You can disagree, and like, you can't look at that person and hate them. It's like, walk, you know, walk in their shoes. Like, you know, walk spend a day walking in their shoes. Spend a day walking through the trauma that they've been through.
Seth Holehouse:And and it's like, gosh, it's not as easy. Right? Like, I grew up in a in a great household. I had nice Christian parents. I, you know, middle class.
Seth Holehouse:I I never I, you know, I was never starving. I always had clothes each new school season. I had the video games that came out. I'm so lucky, and and I'm I'm so blessed that that my parents are still alive, and they're good people, and that they guided me well, and but that's not the case for so many people. There's a lot of people that have never even been told that they're loved.
Seth Holehouse:They've never been recognized as being good. So no wonder they're out there trying to tear down statues and attack the patriarchy because they're just destroyed people and but like, I bet the person that if you if you went up in the right context and you you understood their story and you acknowledged it and you recognize them, they probably start crying. I mean, it's just Yeah. Anyway, I just I I I think that you just you're you're spot on with with your perspective with this stuff.
Mel K:Yeah. And I I really but it's very important. People aren't having these conversations, and it's really, really that that's why I really was drawn to this because I knew in my heart from my own experience over twenty years that I could walk into any room in any meeting in The United States Of America and some around the world in a room full of strangers and immediately feel welcome. And people don't know that that exists if they have never had the blessing of of, you know, the blessing and curse. You don't go into recovery.
Mel K:You go into recovery because you hit rock bottom and you have no other choice. But that that works in that model, it could work in any model. And that was kind of my thinking was when you walk into a room of people that want to be better individually and they know that they can't do it themselves and they want to find a better way and they feel that they've they they have no other option but to get on their knees and, you know, admit that they need help, that they can't do it alone, that they are the problem, that, you know, there's and you walk into a room and there's, you know, 200 people of all that you'd never seen before of every class and race and gender and and whatever. And the minute you walk in that door, nobody cares. Everyone's there for the same reason, which is to to heal themselves, to help to heal others, and to find a better way forward in life.
Mel K:And that's what I see our country as. I truly feel that we have hit rock bottom. We are in a very desperate stage where not only have we hit rock bottom, but the dealers and the suppliers of the the disease that we all have, swallowed being, the outcome being conflict and chaos at every turn, know that we're at the end. And the idea right now is, are we going to have the courage to step up and go down the street and walk into that recovery room? Are we gonna keep going this way until we die?
Mel K:Because a lot of people go into recovery because the future looks like either jail or death. That's usually rock bottom for many people, be it suicide or actual just getting killed by being on the streets or whatever. And I truly see the analogy with where we are right now, and and I I hate it because I like you said, and this is what I've found over years, I could be talking to somebody that had zero in common with me. I mean, like, nothing in any way, but there was a language of hope and and recovery and helping the other guy and, you know, I'll show up and make sure you show up. I mean, the the big part of of that of recovery is also, like, commitments to others.
Mel K:Fellowship is a huge part of it. And it's like, okay. Well, we're all gonna go to this meeting, and we're gonna show up, and we're gonna it's self supporting. And and you make a commitment to other people, and sometimes you don't wanna show up. But, you know, if you don't show up, you're letting down that other guy that needs you there, you know, and then the whole sponsorship thing.
Mel K:So to me, I just saw it as an analogy because I want the country to heal. I want us to come together and rebuild America. When I drive around the country and I see all these abandoned towns, full towns, and I see the farm after farm not being not being, you know, tilled, what I think in my head is, oh my god, there's so much opportunity. If we, you know, if we looked at it a different way, there's so much opportunity to, have another, like, renaissance in America if we actually wanted to, if if we stopped listening to the politics and the fake they're not even fake news. They're intelligence operations in my opinion at this point.
Mel K:And we actually got together in communities and said, you know what? Let's go rebuild Main Street. Let's find investors. Let's have companies come in. Let's have small businesses.
Mel K:Let's have a a fundraiser to to get people to come move to our our town or you know, there's just so much that could happen that's positive. You know, cut that workforce, that 2,900,000,000.0 in the federal government employees that we pay for, throw them back into the the private sector. You know? Be innovative. Be be this.
Mel K:You know? And so at this point, you know, the the cesspools like USAID. Why isn't USAID aiding America? Hundreds Of Billions Of Dollars were throwing all people are looking at Ukraine and they're like, oh, $200,000,000,000. Go check out go audit USAID because all of that money should've been put into rebuilding farms and industry and towns all over America.
Mel K:We'd be thriving wall to wall, you know, and and and all over the world this could happen. But we're not being honest and we're not telling the truth. And until we are brutally honest with ourselves about what is going on, not just here, but around the world, and and this push to World War three is really about the banking cartel keeping power for another hundred years. If they can pull off the war, just enough people die that they can actually have the hunger games, Pan Am, and the wards. I mean, it's so ridiculous on surface, and that's not how humanity is meant to function.
Mel K:And you don't have to if you don't believe in God, I don't know how you how how that works, But you know what? You it doesn't really matter. What matters is that you believe in yourself. You have faith in yourself. You love yourself.
Mel K:If you love yourself and you have good self esteem and you have good self worth, you want to be part of the solution. And and, honestly, like you said, I think so many people are silent out there. And if you went up to them and you asked them their story, it would break your heart. You know? And and we are all suffering, and now we're passing on suffering to future generations because, we're continuing down a path.
Mel K:This is just like we talked about once about the pedophilia and the rape and stuff and how a lot of the people that are victims of that become perpetrators. And I think that that's true with a lot of this stuff. A lot of these people, are filled with unresolved, which is what recovery is about, unresolved trauma. And they bring that trauma into the adulthood, and now our country has passed on this trauma for multiple generations because we've never dealt with truth and reality and been honest. So, I mean, we have to really look at all of that, and I I'm not sure what that looks like, but I do believe Trump is the, sand in the gears of the agenda twenty thirty global movement because that is what their agenda is for 2025.
Mel K:They're not talking about it because the Biden regime won't talk about it, but it is to end the America as it is and to align with agenda 2030 by 2030. It's all over the White House website, but people don't care to bother to actually look at it. Nobody's even asking what their issues are, what their whole issue is abortion. Absolutely not. It's the parent company running The United States, telling them what to do.
Mel K:But, I think you're right, but it's it's gonna have to start with being willing to admit that you you need to change. And and, you know, and I hope that that happens. And, you know, like you said, I I hate the I don't do it, but the people that share all the videos of, like, how bad these teachers are or how bad these people are or the it's like, what is that doing? You know? What is that doing?
Mel K:And don't forget, the people that are just as sick on the other side, same thing. I mean, it's just there's so much so much ugliness, and and we could change it overnight is my main point. We could change it overnight. And I hope to be a catalyst in that. I'm gonna go around with Americans Anonymous and hope people meet up, but I think that there's a lot of really good ideas for local freedom groups or local farmers co ops or local let's rejuvenate that town that was abandoned, you know, 20 miles away or or let's do any of that.
Mel K:But I I really do think that it it requires a a a fearless and moral inventory of ourselves and the country to move forward in the right direction.
Seth Holehouse:I couldn't agree more, Mel. So I'll pull your book back up one more time. I'll put the links in the description. Americans Anonymous, folks, you you can go preorder it right now, which is good because if we get enough preorders, it's gonna get, you know, high up on the charts and you can make it a best selling book.
Mel K:It's probably gonna be out before that date, but that's what they have up right now. But I'm pushing to have it out earlier because I I really do think that it could start a conversation, and I actually do want people to take the model, including meetings. I think it's really important that communities and neighborhoods and all of that really start realizing that, our neighbors are actually our lifeline to a better future, and it doesn't really matter. Politics is a fraud at this point. And if we're being divided by political ideology or any ideology, then we're just puppets of of the people that are destroying us all equally.
Seth Holehouse:Absolutely. One last page to bring up. The MelKShow.com. Folks, if you obviously you mostly probably already know who Mel is. You're probably watching her show, but if you're not, you should be.
Seth Holehouse:So on Rumble, I'll place a podcast that are available. And, you know, again, email k show dot com. Make sure the links are in the description. Mel, it's always wonderful having you on. I I love having these conversations.
Seth Holehouse:I hope you will benefit from it, and look forward to next time. So thank you very much.
Mel K:Thank you so much. You're you're one of the best and one of the kindest, most generous, and and honestly, the best voices out there. So continue doing what you're doing. And and and you know what? There's a better future for everyone, and we should all hope for that for everyone, not just, you know, the people that we know and love and and side with, but everyone.
Mel K:We all deserve better than this.
Seth Holehouse:I agree.
Mel K:So much.
Seth Holehouse:I agree. Take care, and god bless.
Mel K:You too.
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