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The Wellness Creator Podcast is your go-to source for expert insights and actionable tips in the evolving world of health, wellness, and spiritual-based business. Join us as we explore proven online growth strategies, chat about current trends, and interview fellow wellness creators who’ve managed to turn passion into profit by helping people live better, healthier lives.
Jeni Barcelos (00:31)
All
Welcome to the Wellness Creator podcast. In today's episode, we are talking about artificial intelligence, AI, and what's working and what's not working in spring of 2025. This is a fast moving industry change to the human experience. And so what was working even in December or November of 2024. It's a different world now. So we want to talk about how we're using AI and tools like ChachiPT.
where we think the biggest opportunities are for you to be using these as tools in your business and what still is kind of like a little fishy about AI.
Sandy Connery (01:02)
Yeah, no,
think it's a great topic. think like what is anybody like nobody's talking about anything else but AI. And so we wanted to bring that to our audience because I think there's huge opportunities for people running businesses specifically that can just leverage leverage these tools and literally save you so much time. So yeah, let's get into it.
Jeni Barcelos (01:23)
Yeah.
Let's get into it. Okay, and there's lots of ways to think that you're winning with AI when you're really just creating a sloppy mess in your business. So we want to of unearth some of that too. So Sandy, what would you say at this moment in time is your favorite use of AI in our business? Yeah.
Sandy Connery (01:42)
In our business,
is the writing, the copywriting, 100%.
Jeni Barcelos (01:46)
Yeah, yeah. And let's talk
about, like let's actually just share why that's true and what we've worked on to create something that writes effectively for us.
Sandy Connery (01:52)
Thank
Yeah, absolutely. personally, we've been, we've been doing this for almost 10 years, you know, running this business and we've had to write emails and sales pages, and all the other marketing, copied, social, social, and so on around the same topic. Right. And I'm just kind of like bored. Like I can't talk about software and gorgeous software again. Like I can't, like, it's just not personally fulfilling, right? Like it's hard, but
So that is where AI, I can use these tools and we can talk specifically how, but I use a tool called Claude and Claude.ai and it's just amazing. And it just makes it so fast. it's we've used it in a way so that it really gets to know our brand, our brand voice and who we are and what we sell in the audience specifically and their pain points and their
what they complain about and like all of the things that we, when we were coaching, we would talk about with copywriting. We've programmed that into or train that into our Claude tool and it spits out pretty darn good things.
Jeni Barcelos (02:55)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and what I really want to emphasize in why I asked you that question to share on the podcast is just the fact that there is a fair amount of training and personalization that has gone into an effective copywriting version of an AI tool for us. And I think that the mistake, the biggest mistake that I see folks making is like opening up the free version of ChapGPT or free whatever app.
and just giving it a one sentence prompt and then taking whatever the AI spits out and using that. And I think that that is like the equivalent, which I was just telling you, of having a college intern or a high school intern come and work in your business for one day or one hour and then giving them a task and then having the output of their work product get posted publicly without you reviewing it or editing it.
It's just not, mean, chat GPT, for example, is probably gonna be a better writer than most interns would be, so that's nice, but it's not going to be effective because it doesn't know your business, it doesn't understand your particular niche and audience, and it doesn't understand your style, your values, your ethics, what you're selling, what you're doing, how you're putting things out in the world, unless you train it to know those things.
Sandy Connery (04:23)
Right, right.
Right. And every time you go, it's like a blank, like, who are you? What are you doing? Right. And that's, that's, that's the trick. So in Claude, the way that it works in this is, something that was developed specifically for writing. so it's divided into projects. And so I can say like, I don't know, like sales emails is a project and I will upload, you know, 10, 20, 50 different emails that we've written in the past that I'm happy with. So it gets to know tone, voice, phrasing.
Jeni Barcelos (04:30)
Yes. Yes, yes, Yeah.
Sandy Connery (04:59)
length, that kind of thing. And then I'll also describe who our audience is and what they're experiencing. Like we have a tool called four P's. We, I upload that into it and just in a document, like a text document. So it has this little brain behind it. And then I go to the prompt and I'm like, here's what I need. need four emails for this, this, this, and this. And here's the call to action and all the details. And it just spits it out and it gets better and better and better. If I just want to chat GPT, it would be.
generic and full of terrible analogies and you know, it just sound like AI that term like AI slop kind of love that. And that's basically what you get if you don't really train it behind the scenes.
Jeni Barcelos (05:42)
Yeah, and I think that that's really important for business owners because I mean, it's one thing if you're looking for a way to respond to an email, like an inquiring email or something or whatever. But if you are trying to put your brand out there and you want what you write and create to sound like you and to be relevant to the people that you're talking to.
You really need to put a little bit more work in and I love this idea putting the work in ahead of time So like kind of building the engine behind the AI Some people call this kind of like agentic work like basically you create an agent That's like your assistant or your person that gets you know to know your but it's like hiring someone essentially But you put in the time to train That worker and the AI becomes your worker and there's a mill There's like there's levels and layers deep that we could go into this
Sandy Connery (06:27)
Mm-hmm.
Jeni Barcelos (06:34)
But I think for the purposes of this podcast, it's worth just understanding that like you can put inputs in and you can ask the AI tool, whatever AI tool you're using to make sure that the output it gives you is relevant and defined and dictated by the inputs you give it. In addition to like its general language abilities that are part of the model that that LLM was trained on. And that's the part that most people are missing. Yeah.
Sandy Connery (06:40)
Mm-hmm.
Right. Right. Already there. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And I
think I, I, and I love the way that it also learns and it just gets better and better and better. And I, I do think that there is this like aversion to I, I still like, it's this new technology and it's going to take over the world and we're all going to be ruined. And you know, it's cheating and it's not going to be me. And like, I, there's this,
this like moral aversion to it a little bit, you know, for those who are, who are not like these, you know, people who try things. and I just, I just want to plead with everybody in our audience to, take a look at this because I don't think it makes you sound robotic. It is what's happening. And the sooner that you jump on it and understand how to use it, like,
Jeni Barcelos (07:29)
Oh yeah, oh a huge moral aversion, yes. Yes.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sandy Connery (07:51)
first of all, just saves so much more time. Like nobody, you know, we hear all the time from our audience that they don't like marketing, like they're there to teach or coach or whatever their expertise is. And they don't want to do this other work that has to be done in order to sell and find new clients. Okay, well here's the tool. Here's the most amazing tool in history to help you do that. And I think when you think about it from the readers, like your, yeah, the reader's perspective, your potential students,
They don't care if it is a well written in your voice email that they see themselves in and they like, my God, this is exactly what I need. She's speaking my language. This is my problem. She's got a solution. Like all those things we taught in copywriting, right? They don't, the reader doesn't care that it came from AI. They, they care about the message. So if you can tailor that and make it sound like you and do it in one minute and versus three hours, why would you not like,
Jeni Barcelos (08:32)
you
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, here's the thing. I actually would love, we could have an entire show, like just based on the ethics and the morals behind artificial intelligence, because it's a very big topic with a lot of nuance. And I think both of us would have lots of moral problems with different aspects of this and also not moral problems. But I do want to say, like, I am a fan of having humanity.
Sandy Connery (08:56)
Yeah.
Jeni Barcelos (09:14)
in anything that I do, like having humanity in our business and in my life and in my interactions with people I care about in my neighborhood and whatever. But when you allow a tool to step in and do the things that it's able to do as well as a human, you free up that humanity to be used in ways that.
a robot is not optimized for, could never be optimized for. And so it's not like you just like step out, peace out, I'm gone. But by us allowing AI to work in our business, we have more time to do things like podcasts and create and do new projects and interact with people for real in the world rather than sitting there behind a Google doc, typing out a copywriting email. And I think that like, I just want to...
Sandy Connery (09:40)
Mm-hmm.
Right, right.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Jeni Barcelos (10:04)
Like things are not so black and white. Like if you have just a blanket moral problem with technology, like I would cause you to question that. Cause we've had that in our audience, like in our industry since the beginning, Sandy, because when we came on the scene, there was no platform in the wellness industry for streaming your, like that you could sign up for and stream your classes and put your videos online. Like there were a couple of studios that had built this themselves. They did not sell these tools.
Sandy Connery (10:27)
Mm-hmm.
Jeni Barcelos (10:33)
and all of the major online booking tools for gyms and yoga studios and whatever else were against this. Like de facto against this, I know because we had direct interaction with them. So we did get a lot of pushback early on in the industry from just the idea of putting a class online, right? Like there's a moral problem. This work is meant to be done human to human. There is a moral problem with.
Sandy Connery (10:40)
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Jeni Barcelos (11:01)
adding in a layer of technology and removing the human. And obviously, I think the industry has evolved to such a degree that that's not even really questioned anymore. This is now normalized. So we've been fighting this battle since the beginning. And I would say that like none of us who use these tools or who create these tools are advocates for like removing humanity from the equation of anything. Right. It's changing where humanity shows up.
Sandy Connery (11:24)
No, no, no.
Yeah. And I, it's you still, obviously you still have to be involved, right? It is not a cut and paste and send an email. It's usually culling. It's usually editing. It's usually taking weird stuff out or, you know, like words that you would never say out. So you're still doing a little bit of editing and then you can train it back and say, like, never use this phrase ever again. but
Jeni Barcelos (11:37)
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Sandy Connery (11:53)
Yeah, I think I agree with you. And I just, really want people who are like, I don't know to use it, to explore it, to play with it because it is really remarkable. And I think like, when people are writing AI is not going to take over like someone writing an autobiography or a personal memoir. Like it obviously can't doesn't have those memories and thoughts and stories.
Jeni Barcelos (12:00)
play.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Sandy Connery (12:19)
But in business, can, my God, it can take over. So take on a huge load and you're still the boss of it and you still get to see it and witness it and do it. And there's techniques that you and I now use that are like asking questions and having a conversation with it to get the outcome that we want versus just like you said, you know, copying and pasting into chat, free chat, GPT and like, it's okay. Like,
Jeni Barcelos (12:46)
Yeah, yeah, Yes,
yes. And I, okay, this is kind of off topic from the business side of things, but I wanna put this in because we do speak to the wellness industry, to health and wellness. So those of you listening, by and large, have some sort of relationship, whether it's mental health or physical health or whatever. I believe that these tools are a great equalizer in terms of the ability for people to have access to health and wellness information.
Sandy Connery (12:55)
Mm-hmm.
Jeni Barcelos (13:16)
So one tiny little caveat example, there's a billion of these examples I'm sure at this point is that like I spent close to $20,000 on private doctors for long COVID. That is an example of extreme privilege. I was able to get 95 % better. That's where I would say I am now, five years later. A lot of people have not been able to get better. And part of that is because I was able to operate outside of the mainstream medical systems.
pay top dollar to see, have like a, have private lab test done all the time and see like all kinds of different kinds of healers, right? And now that is like magic voodoo sauce inside these tools. And I would say like, especially tools like I would say Grok is probably the best at understanding things like lab results and scans and x-rays at this point. that's all those, whoever's the best is always changing. Cause these AI tools are updated so frequently.
And like for free or next to free or fractions of pennies, people have access to that kind of human brain, historical human brain power that can go into things like analyzing lab test results. And if you have like some sort of generalized moral issue with artificial intelligence, I would just encourage you to look at these like broad swaths of examples of how AI is like this great equalizer or.
creates accessibility to people with different levels of, you know, whatever, geographic flexibility or financial flexibility.
Sandy Connery (14:48)
Yeah,
we could do a whole other podcast on just the way we use AI outside of writing. You know, because I think we've done some pretty cool things. I forgot what I was going to say.
Jeni Barcelos (14:53)
Yes, yes, yes.
Yes.
But it's just, it's
like magical. mean, even like, I'm just thinking of our clients. Like if those, if you are a nutritionist or, someone who deals with any kind of lab results or any kind of like your client is logging their food or their exercise or whatever, you now have tools at your behest that can take that information, understand it as well as you like produce something that's really easy for you as the expert or as the trained.
Sandy Connery (15:16)
Mm-hmm.
Jeni Barcelos (15:32)
healthcare provider to look at and like quickly understand and see patterns and I just encourage you like, you know, we are obviously largely talking about marketing when we're talking about using AI, but like look behind behind the marketing and see all the other ways you could do this. If you are a coach, you know, the idea of taking your coaching call transcripts, putting them into something with personal information redacted always.
you know, and understanding if you can see trends or patterns or opportunities of where you could help somebody go deeper into certain issues. Like there's just a lot there. Like I just think I'm always like role playing, putting myself into these different careers. Like, wow, how would I use this? What would I do?
Sandy Connery (16:06)
Yeah.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, it reminds me for the people who are skeptical, it reminds me of like, it's kind of a dumb example, but like people who are like, don't use Google or the internet. Like we have encyclopedias, you know, like you're that person in this moment. Right. It's like that's going to ruin humanity. Yeah, that's where we are right now with, with, with AI and it's not going away. And I just like would.
Jeni Barcelos (16:26)
Yeah. Well, those people did exist in like, in like, yeah, 1999, there were totally those people. Yeah. Yeah.
Sandy Connery (16:43)
challenge everyone to examine your biases or your thoughts around this and like, because, my God, it is amazing. Like what you can do. it's just like, Jenny, you always say like, you want our entire company to be run by robots, right? There's no meetings.
Jeni Barcelos (16:53)
Yeah.
Like to a degree, like that is a facetious
thing that I say, but like, yes, I, so what I will just give a little reveal here that I think so much of the work of running a business is just nonsense, like administrative garbage work. I am a creative being who thrives in a creative environment, who likes challenges that are not like, how long do I have to sit on hold with the IRS today? So.
From that perspective, yes, like I love and embrace fully the robots taking over all of these jobs that I view as painful, useless, waste of my human experience. And I don't want to hire for those roles either because I don't want anyone to have to do that. Like it's just awful. So I believe people are creative beings and we all have unique genius. And I stand for a world where we're all...
operating within the context of that creative genius as much as possible and not having to spend our time toiling away doing things that computers and robots can do for us. Like, where can we live out, you know, meaningful creative lives that impact people? Like, I would rather have robots doing all of the administrative work in my company so that I can go to the food bank and pack food for people, right? Like, that's way better.
Sandy Connery (18:22)
Mm-hmm.
Jeni Barcelos (18:23)
use of my time for a million reasons than me like putting numbers in a spreadsheet or calling the IRS.
Sandy Connery (18:29)
Yeah,
I just heard a podcast and they were talking about like Google, Google like middle managers and they're all going to be replaced because that an AI can just think like them and do the work and make the decisions or whatever the output is, you know? And it's like you could on one hand say, my God, all these people are going to lose their job. But on the other hand, like
Jeni Barcelos (18:38)
Yeah. Thank God. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Sandy Connery (18:52)
how could we use all those human brains for humanity or for creative work or for something else that is so much more meaningful?
Jeni Barcelos (18:55)
Yes, do something else, right. Yes.
Yeah, I mean, I think that there's always pain that comes with transition. that's part of the pain of being a human being in the world is like having to go through constant times of transition. That's hard. It's hard for our brains and our bodies to handle that. But like, we have to also see and look forward towards what's on the other side of that transition.
and so just like say, stop, don't too, like, don't change it, you know, without any real thought about like what could be possible feels really short-sighted and kind of selfish. And I get it's real people's lives and jobs and salaries and totally get that. And like that sucks and that's going to be painful. And you know, I'm a futurist at heart, and I think that we should have agencies dedicated to helping to ease that transition and put people into those, those.
you know, economic earning opportunities of the future. anyway, the world doesn't work the way I want. So, but, but I still like, there's so many people with middle management, corporate jobs that hate their lives. Right? Like who, mean, what percentage of people actually want to be doing that? It's like the golden handcuffs, right? You get it. You get into some sort of like financial situation where like, that's your security and well, I don't know where it's hard for us to relate because we're entrepreneurs.
Sandy Connery (20:06)
I'm happy, yep.
Yeah, absolutely. I know people who are happy doing that work, but yeah, it's not, yeah. Okay, I want to talk about the prompt library that we made.
Jeni Barcelos (20:23)
You
I'm sure people are happy. We're just talking because this is our worldview. Well, you are listening to the Jenny and Sandy show and this is our worldview.
Okay, let's talk about it. Yeah, so why did we make it?
Sandy Connery (20:41)
Because I think it is, for me it was like an introduction, a way to get people started. We made prompts specifically around marketing and copywriting. You also did prompts on delegation and feedback and testimonials and time management and stuff like that, which is super cool. And it's just...
Jeni Barcelos (20:59)
or service, yeah, and time management.
Sandy Connery (21:07)
It's not training the bot that we're, that we were talking about in the way that we were talking about earlier. I think we should do a workshop on that at some point, but it's a start and you can start to like converse. And I would, I would encourage everyone to use those prompts, stick it in whatever tool you're using. It doesn't really matter. And then talk to it, ask it questions, ask it for improvement, ask it. Yeah. Is there something? Yeah.
Jeni Barcelos (21:13)
Yeah, we will do a workshop on that. Yeah.
Yeah. Why did you tell me this? Yeah, why? What does this suggestion do? Yeah,
tell me what else I could put in the prompt so that you could write this better or do this better for me. So the reason I wanted to do this project was because I think both of us interact with a lot of people that don't use AI tools as much as us. And I'm always like telling friends or, you know, like anyone, the gardener, anyone, anyone that, like, who, who can I talk to today?
like about the ways that they could use these tools to increase efficiency or whatever, or solve a problem or deal with like their possible lupus diagnosis or whatever, like whatever it is, I can help you. Let me tell you what to do. And I think that part of that creative use of AI is just from like playing with it so much and seeing the way other people use it. in my mind, prompt libraries, they're sort of like the gateway drug into like AI because they...
Sandy Connery (22:23)
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Jeni Barcelos (22:26)
they show you all the ways that you can use these tools to help you create efficiency in your business and your life and your health and all the other things. So it's like really like a, it's almost like an eye-opening tool. Like, wow, it can like plan my schedule for me. wow, like it can write all my emails. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Sandy Connery (22:35)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Right. Like that's why I thought what you did with like the time management stuff was like people wouldn't even think to do that or the delegation prompt. You know, it's like, Whoa, cause you're just
thinking like, write me a social media post on blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So goes a little bit beyond just like marketing and like copywriting. So I think it's really good. So we'll stick the link below in the show notes, or if you're watching on YouTube, we'll put it below. It's like.
Jeni Barcelos (22:56)
Yeah, right. Because that's what a lot of the pre-made tools do that exist. Yeah. Yeah.
Sandy Connery (23:10)
this point it's like $27 is kind of a no-brainer. It'll just get the wheels turning. We also have instructions on how to use chat GPT and Claude. Jenny uses chat GPT more than I do and I use Claude and I don't even know if you use Claude but anyway so there it's super it's really really good for beginners so we'll put that link below and I also wanted to say I'm super excited about we've decided to bring back Joy and Hussle.
Jeni Barcelos (23:31)
Yeah.
Sandy Connery (23:38)
So for those long time listeners, know that we did that on an old podcast and I miss it. I really miss talking about current things and tools that we love or books we're reading or fashion. Just completely random things. just, it's, it's, feels just really current, you know, like what are we listening to? What are we loving? What are we using in our business? So anyway, that's coming back as of right now.
Jeni Barcelos (23:49)
fashion, jewelry, artists that we are buying their artwork.
Sandy Connery (24:08)
So do you want to do it?
Jeni Barcelos (24:11)
Okay, I'll do one. I will do what is like the most recent tab I was looking at this morning, which is a company called Peg and All, AWL. Like All was that weird flat hammer tool that was used. I don't know. I don't really know what it's used for, but it's this like beautiful hand. It's like lot of things that are handmade or made from antiques and whatever. But the reason that I was on the site is because they make these like artist carry sacks.
Sandy Connery (24:23)
uh-huh, yes. What are you talking about?
Jeni Barcelos (24:40)
where you put all the paint, you know those things where you put all the paint brushes and pens in a cloth and then a journal or your paper and then you wrap it up. And it's like this tool that you can take with you on the train when you're going out to paint the set or whatever. Well, I have gotten really into journaling. The artist's way really hit me again finally for the 10th time last summer. And so I have all of these, I have.
fountain pens now and inks and all the things and I have journals and different journals for different things and whatever. So I want to have a way when I travel or when I'm just even like going between different parts of my house to have like this little beautiful, it's very not huge, but I do travel a lot and do van life on the weekends and so that's really what this is, is like for when I go out into the mountains on the weekends. Okay, it is, okay.
Sandy Connery (25:24)
Sounds like your house is huge. Just to go when I go to the other wing.
Can you give me the link again or the name? Because I can't find it.
What's it called?
Jeni Barcelos (25:39)
Pegandall, allbuilt.com. Pegandawlbuilt.com. We will put it in the show notes. Everything on there is beautiful. have, okay, they have an ink on this website that I'm ordering when I get off this podcast that is made from melted guns. Like they take old guns and they dissolve the iron from the guns with sumac and they turn it into ink that you can put in your fountain pen.
Sandy Connery (25:43)
Oh, I thought you said pagan. I got it, got it, I got it.
it's beautiful. Yeah, I got it. Okay.
my god.
Jeni Barcelos (26:09)
It's like that. So that's sort of like beautiful. The opposite of AI is like melting the iron from guns and turning it into ink. And that is, so yes, that's my joy.
Sandy Connery (26:12)
Wow. That's really beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's really cool. Actually. It's really, really good. That's
great. Okay. What I'm going to bring is not as beautiful, but it is like life changing life, life changing. So we discovered this yesterday. It's a site called gamma.ai. Obviously it's AI.
Jeni Barcelos (26:31)
Mm-hmm.
Sandy Connery (26:39)
And one of our biggest pain points for entire lives have been making freaking decks. So if you're teaching a course, if you want to run a webinar, if you want to run a workshop, the decks are the death of us. And we are late up late every time and fonts change and we use keynote and we share it. And then I can't get it. It's kicked out. It's in the cloud. It's not in the cloud. It's hell. And I think a part of us just pulling back is like making
Jeni Barcelos (27:03)
you
Sandy Connery (27:08)
Decks are so having painful. So found a tool called gamma dot AI, and it will create the deck for you. So you can upload a Google doc or a PDF with an outline and it will create, know, put each point on the, on the thing, on the, on the deck, on the card, as they call it.
Jeni Barcelos (27:13)
Yes.
Sandy Connery (27:33)
And then you choose your template and boom, in about one minute you have your deck. can, and it puts images in like it centers it.
Jeni Barcelos (27:39)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. Yes, yes, it is.
is. This is the thing like you and I have been talking about this for a few years. Like where's the AI tool that does this? And it's a big part of why we stopped doing webinars was because we would just like cry and complain and and like be upset with each other and and like we try to be sharing through keynote and one of us would get kicked out of the keynote file and then.
Sandy Connery (27:48)
ever forever.
Yeah, because it was so awful.
Jeni Barcelos (28:06)
And then Sandy, why am I kicked out of the keynote? And then you'd be like, well, I can't edit the master slides if you're in there. And it was like just a decade of this basically. Yeah, just torturous pain.
Sandy Connery (28:16)
Yes, and it's,
you wouldn't experience that if you weren't collaborating with someone, it would be fine, but this was just so painful.
Jeni Barcelos (28:22)
Yes. But
still, Keynote has its own level of pain. feel like even as like a solo Keynote or PowerPoint user. Yeah. Yeah.
Sandy Connery (28:28)
Yeah, yeah. This is basically the death of keynote, I think.
I just want to make sure I get the right website. It's gamma.app.app, not AI. And I just wanted to say, like, I really thought the pricing was really good. So $8 per seat per month. I mean, that is limited up to 20 slides. And then you can go up to the next one, which is $15 per month.
If you are teaching a course or any kind of workshops that you do use decks, like you, I would pay, don't tell them this, but I would pay easily double for this tool. Like the time it saved is just, and then you also present from that site. Like you don't have to download it or make it into a Google slides or you present from that, from that website. So.
Jeni Barcelos (29:22)
Yeah. And they have a spotlight mode too, which
I was playing with yesterday where like you turn that on in a print in presenter mode and then where your mouse is like it, it like blurs the other text on the slide and just highlights and kind of bubbles up what you're talking about. we used to spend, I don't know, it was hours and hours adding like animations to every bullet point and like just all the, know, cause you want it to be a good experience. And so it just takes, again, this is an example of things that we should not have been spending our time on.
Sandy Connery (29:33)
Yeah, sure. Focus, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Jeni Barcelos (29:50)
This is not, we are not like designers. And so, and even still like what a waste of all of those life hours. And I, yeah, yes. And like hiring people to build the templates to paint, I don't even want to think about how much money we paid for like deck designs. And then we end up messing it up because we're not, it's just anyway. So this, yes, that's a good one. That is a good, that's kind of a hustle. And I had kind of a joy, like melt your guns, make your ink and then use this AI.
Sandy Connery (29:58)
So many late nights doing that. So many late nights. God.
They never, yeah.
Jeni Barcelos (30:20)
presentation tool. Yeah.
Sandy Connery (30:21)
in two minutes and then go back to your ink. Yep. That's great.
All right. So Jenny, let's do another one on using AI that's not writing.
Jeni Barcelos (30:30)
Yes, or like, yes, yeah, or not marketing. Like a non-marketing AI. Well, that is like actually the more exciting thing because once you replace all of your useless marketing time that you were spending doing tasks that can be automated by a robot, then you have time to go use AI to change the world. And that's really the segue into that one.
Sandy Connery (30:33)
No, yeah, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah.
I love it. Okay. Done. Thanks.
Jeni Barcelos (30:56)
Okay,
alright folks, we'll see you next time.